Aug. 27, 2025

Fit for TV: The Reality of the Biggest Loser | 50% Facts Review

Fit for TV: The Reality of the Biggest Loser | 50% Facts Review

From 2009 to 2020, The Biggest Loser was a phenomenon. A huge cultural moment. What it wasn’t, however, was a show about healthy lifestyles and healthy weight loss. Netflix’s Fit for TV: The Reality of the Biggest Loser examines what it was like...

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From 2009 to 2020, The Biggest Loser was a phenomenon. A huge cultural moment.

What it wasn’t, however, was a show about healthy lifestyles and healthy weight loss.  

Netflix’s Fit for TV: The Reality of the Biggest Loser examines what it was like for some contestants on the show and some members of the production. The push to keep the show in the spotlight wreaked havoc on lives, relationships, and, in some cases, health. Does the documentary series exploit the contestants in a similar way to the show did?

Josh Hajjar, who has personal experience with significant weight loss, joins in as guest cohost. You can find Josh on Instagram @amazingjrab https://www.instagram.com/amazingjrab/.

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I could use another cup of coffee, but I ain't

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got one. Okay, I don't have a role in today

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because SeaBASS is ill and uh, and my companion here,

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Josh is uh a little under the weather. But we're

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we're gonna knock this one out anyway. This one might

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end up being a little bit shorter. But you guys

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will you'll, you'll, you'll cope. Uh. We're here to talk

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about fit for TV, the the reality uh series or

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we are reality mean backup documentary series about the reality

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show The Biggest Loser, And it really seemed to be

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about certain seasons of of The Biggest Loser, not really

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necessarily all the people in total.

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Yeah, it was.

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It was very focused on a few of the of

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the few of the contestants. I don't know how you

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feel about it, but like the elephant in the room

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to me is that this documentary series does the same

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thing that The Biggest Loser did. It exploits these people

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and their emotions. It has a particular point of view

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in that The Biggest Loser probably did more harm than good,

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not only to the people who were involved, but to

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the to our culture as a whole. They cap it

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off by saying that that obesity, the OBC rate in

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the United States is higher now than it was before

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the Biggest Loser sort of drawing the conclusion that somehow

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it had something to do with it, or it at

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least didn't help at all. So from that perspective starting there,

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what were your overall impressions of this sucker.

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I really liked the documentary.

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I thought it made a couple really valid points about

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obesity in the United States and treating it and what

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we do in society. And that's the message that I

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think I'd like to take away from it, because as

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somebody who's lost a considerable amount of weight, was yo

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yoding up and down with my weight, you know, got

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up to a BMI of forty eight. Was really unhealthy.

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For a time there in my life. I looked at

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the Biggest Loser when it was a cultural phenomenon, and

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I looked up to it. I thought, oh, this is great.

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Look at all these people losing all this weight. They're

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doing so well with this. And then when I actually

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took the time to really focus on what it took

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for me to lose over one hundred pounds and keep

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it off and maintain that that level of weight loss.

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It was a consistency and such a long game. Yeah,

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that that message in the Biggest Loser is completely lost.

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It's they go through. I don't know how long each

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season was, like what time frame they took to shoot

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each season, but I don't think it was longer than

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six months.

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The guy who lost the most weight was six months.

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Right, so he lost over two hundred pounds in six months.

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It was two hundred and forty pounds in six months,

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which when I heard that, I gasped audibly. Yeah, And

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I was just so shocked because even though he was

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severely obeset, over four hundred pounds and the weight starts

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coming off very rapidly with just a calorie deficit and

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some exercise, that amount of weight lost in that such

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short period of time puts such a stress on the

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body that there was no way he was ever going

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to maintain it. There was no way that he was

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ever going to stay healthy. And he actually might have

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put himself at further health risks by losing it that

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fast than by taking a slow and steady process to it.

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Yeah. And you see, in the course of this documentary series,

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one of the contestants ends up with rabdough like before

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the season really even gets started.

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very often. Yeah, it's not even just obese people who

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get into it. It's people who your average person who

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starts at office desk job puts on ten to twenty

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pounds and they're like, I'm going to join a CrossFit gym.

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They joined CrossFit, they start doing all these crazy wads

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and all these crazy workouts, and then they come to

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us a week later feeling like they've been run over

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their coke, their urine looks like coke, and they've got

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rabbed in mylosis, and it's just crazy.

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I you know, I've I've been someone who until until

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I started powerlifting, and I've been relatively consistent since then.

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Before that, I was like in the gym, out of

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the gym, in the gym, out of the gym, depending

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on like life and whatever. You know, when people say, oh,

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you always have time, it's like, no, you fucking don't

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have time all the time. No, yeah, your life can

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be too complicated and too just overscheduled in ways that

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you can't fix. Like you've got little kids, you've got

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a job. You've got your spouse as a job.

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the sandwich generation effect.

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Like when is it going to happen?

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And do you have the time to do this? Yeah?

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Well you don't, you don't. Sometimes you just don't. You

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probably have the time to eat better, but you don't

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necessarily have the exercise time to exercise, and you for

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sure don't have the time to go to a gym. No.

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And I've acknowledged too for my own journey that this

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has taken me a two to three hour process average.

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Every day I have off, and I'm lucky that I

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work three twelve hour shifts and I get four days off,

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so I can come here to Third Street for two

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to three hours and you know, do my you know,

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my compound lifts my accessories and thirty minutes to an

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hour of cardio. But if I had a more traditional

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position where I was working nine to five, or if

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I was back in management like I was before, when

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I did put on all the weight, my schedule was

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eight hours a day, but that was the minimum. Yeah,

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I could tell you I was doing sometimes ten to

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twelve as an administrator, and that's required between meetings and

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traveling to conferences and you know, conference to calls, all

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these things.

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So I can't imagine.

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What it would be like for your average person working

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the average job, having small kids, having elderly parents that

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they have to take care of, and then the stress

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surrounding that. I think also they've finally acknowledging that stress

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is a huge factor in this way.

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Game, right for sure. I know I'm a stress leader.

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I'm an inveterate stress leader. Yeah, And that's actually one

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of the most frustrating things about dieting is that when

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the stress comes on the thing that you have, your

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coping strategy, your major coping strategy, which is eating, is

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off the table. Yeah, unless you're going to blow the diet,

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and that in it in and of itself creates more stress.

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So that I mean, that's it's just it's something that

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needs to be acknowledge. But in the in the nineties,

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the late nineties, I finally was able to consistently to

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join a gym, and the gym that I joined came

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with three pre personal training sessions. So I went in

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and did that and I was perilously close to rhapdo.

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Yeah, that's it just happened close.

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And it's because the trainer to know shit about what

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she was doing. She had no clue, she didn't have

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two brain cells to rub together, and she just like

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didn't did a terrible assessment, you know. I mean, you know,

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in healthcare, like the outcome of any intervention is largely

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dependent on the amount of the quality of the assessment

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before you even start, and she did not have any

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of that at all. I mean, my my calves are big, right,

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they were bigger, they were huge. I got super swollen.

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I felt like crap.

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I it was bad.

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It was really bad. I had to I was, you know,

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kind of just laid up trying to pull off all

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this extra fluid that my kidneys couldn't handle for I

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don't know, a good week, maybe two. Yeah, And it's

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just it can happen very easily, and like that it

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didn't happen more on the.

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Biggest losers A shock to me. Yeah, that's the biggest shock.

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And the other biggest shock too, is that there weren't

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more injuries, and there weren't more people who just suffered

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in their body from the stress that they were putting

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on it just from the jump. They didn't show that

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they eased them into it. They showed that they could

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just run them and work them until their bodies gave out.

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Every day. Yeah.

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Yeah, it was like I would call it like a

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tough love approach, yeah, except except not so much love,

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like more like exploitation than love.

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More like exploitation and more like, this is the thing

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that you have to do if you're this large and

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you want to lose weight, Yeah, which is which is

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unrealistic for the average person.

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It's unrealistic and it's not even true. I mean, there

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are a lot of roads to losing weight, but like

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taking in fewer calories is definitely like the main road.

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But there are other ways to handle it, and there

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are other ways to implement or begin to implement, you know, exercise,

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cardio and weight training. There's just different ways to do

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it that you're not killing the person along the way

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literally almost literally.

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And it's a surprising thing that they did have a

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doctor on the show, and the doctor wasn't saying anything like, hey,

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you know, this should be a year long process where

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we start these people out on just maybe walking an

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extra couple of blocks per day and a slight calorie reduction,

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and maybe we follow them in their home with cameras,

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because there were plenty of shows by that period of time,

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the real world Jersey Shore where people got followed with cameras, right,

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Johnny Kate plus eight, all those things. Follow them with

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cameras for the first couple months, and let them ease

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into a program, and then we can start dialing things

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up as time goes on, and then the end of

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the show can be this extreme period where when they're

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in decent shape, if they want to know further that

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they can spend three months in this boot camp place

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where they then lose the rest of it and get

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down to a weight that they've always wanted to be at,

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or a weight that they feel comfortable at.

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And the weight loss in that boot camp period should

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probably not be more than twenty twenty five pounds.

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Yeah, if it's a three month period, I would say

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maybe eight pounds a month. Yeah, because that's the healthiest.

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And that's what I've done two pounds steady. And I'll

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tell you too, after two years of two pounds steady

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per week, my body is tired of that. My body

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does not want to lose two pounds a week. Now,

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it's just like it's it's like you're gonna get injured lifting.

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The activity level is either going to drop or something's

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going to drop with this calorie deficit.

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Yeah, something that that I encountered recently in losing weight

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is and I haven't had this tested, but I know

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that as I have lost weight, it is harder to

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continue to lose to lose weight. Yeah, and part of that.

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They touch on this a little bit, but they but

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they really there's no definitive word on it. In the

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course of this documentary about metabolism sewing down, so basically

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you're you're resting metabolic rate slowing down over time. But

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there are studies that show that just a straight calorie

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restriction will do that. And one that I read that

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sort of inspired me is that a calorie cycling diet

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doesn't slow down your your resting metabolic rate. So you can,

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like you have your higher calorie days and your lower

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calorie days, but on on the average, on a week,

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you're still in a deficit.

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Yeah, which I have heard really good things about too.

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Yeah, it just I mean, I'm on a week end

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of this process, so I don't really know for sure

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how it's how it's going to work out.

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But I feel like even though that they had the

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doctor available to them who was on the show, they

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didn't decide to incorporate any of these strategies or look

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at these things.

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I think he just did straight calorie restriction and extreme

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amounts of cardiovascular exercise and extreme amounts of some calisthenic exercises.

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There was no science behind this, even though they had

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a sports medicine doctor who had been a doctor for

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the Raiders for many years as their doctor for most

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of the season.

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this and they didn't listen to me. That was just

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his whole thing. It's like, well, okay, so but your

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ethics let you keep.

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Taking the money. Yeah, And they made a ton of

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money from that show. Yeah, where there was so many

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things that were branded the Biggest Loser. Yeah, we're selling

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so much. And it was very poignant to me. I

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think they had a woman that was making commentary about

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like society and your value versus you know, and the

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point of the show wasn't to show, oh, we took

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this person to the healthiest weight that they could sustainably

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keep off. What they did was we made this person

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lose as much weight as possible, which tells you that

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the true value to anybody is how thin you are

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or how in shape you are. It's not that you

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got healthy, you enjoyed the process of getting healthy. Your

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body is now healthier, it's how you look. And there's

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been so many times throughout this journey that I've had

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to remind myself, Hey, I want to be a nationally

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ring powerlifter. I don't want to be ripped. I don't

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want to be super thin. And I need to stop

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focusing so much on what's going on the scale that

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I step on, and I need to focus on what's

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going on the bar. And it's just a it's a

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hard thing to do sometimes because my coworkers, my family,

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old friends, so many people they make comments and they say,

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you look so great, you look so great, you look

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so great. But that's not why I did this. I

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didn't do this to be accepted by society. I didn't

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do this to have people tell me how I look

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and that I look great. I did this because I

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wanted to feel strong again after feeling well for a

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long period of time and I think that's the big

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message that I took home from this documentary that I

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love the most is that we as a society, we

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look at people and we judge them immediately by how

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they look, But those people might actually be healthy for

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the weight that they're at. And many of the people

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who didn't gain a considerable amount of weight back from

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their time on The Biggest Loser but gained you know,

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maybe twenty to thirty pounds and still look a little

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thick or whatever adjective you want to use. They still

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look good and they're still healthy. So it's really hard to,

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you know, rectify what the message of the show was,

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especially when they talked about in that last episode, one

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of the second to last seasons, the girl who had

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been a nationally ranked swimmer, she lost so much weight

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that the commentary online and in the news and even

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by the trainers was, wow, she took this too far.

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And yeah, she looked she looked innarexic.

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Yeah, and she didn't look good. She looked innerrexic. Yeah,

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and so but that was the woman who followed up

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on the documentary. I said, but that was the message

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of the show. The more weight that you lose, the

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more that you win this competition, and she decided she

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wanted to win the competition.

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Yeah, the the gamification of it is was is really

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the downfall and that they put money in the final

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episode that the one of the producers said, if I

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if I was doing it today, there would be no.

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Money like that.

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That your reward is that you're you're healthier, you know,

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and that really should be enough. I my experience with

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with reality shows from the production side is that in

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the the super Training days, we went through three or

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four different rounds of potentially doing a powerlifting gym based

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reality show. And I can tell you that working with

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producers and working with network, they are one hundred percent worth.

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I don't know what it's like now. I'm sure, I'm

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sure it's the same. But back then, while because Lusure

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was on while we were doing this, there is pushed

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to do the most outrageous thing. Yeah, pushed to have

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the most conflict. Yeah, And that's the unfortunate part of it.

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That the message of the show getting healthier, which is

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why I took that comment with a grain of salt.

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I wouldn't give any money. Getting healthier is the point.

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But that's not what you did. And you know that

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that wouldn't sell. Yeah, I would never sell. That would

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never get the ratings even in today's day, and agent

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wouldn't get the ratings. And I think that's a big

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message here that was told was excuse me that this

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wasn't really about people getting healthier, even though the show

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tried to make it about that. This was really about

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showing people that it was okay to fact change because

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there was fat shange.

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Yeah, there's definitely fat shaming. That was part of the quote,

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you know, tough tough love or as I always a

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tough exploitation of it.

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And that's why I hate things like that and my

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six hundred pound life, because there's not a lot of

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things that talk about, hey, there's a reason why this

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happened to this person, and they have food addiction. They

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don't have you know, they're not just lazy, they're.

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Not just it's not moral failing.

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Yes, they look at you and.

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They think they think you're a bad person because you're

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of weight. And I've had that judgment so many times,

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especially as a nurse. I've walked into jobs when I've

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been thirty to forty pounds overweight, not even as overweight

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as I was before. I lost the weight recently, and

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I was immediately judged as being poor, a poor nurse, lazy,

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all these things that were just completely not true. And

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received promotions in my career because of my work ethic

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and my abilities. And every time I've walked into a

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job being overweight, I've always been judged, and just in society,

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I've always been judged. I've noticed that i've lost weight,

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people are friendly. They talk to me more now, they

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smile at me, me more, now, they're willing to just

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bring up random conversation with me now And the ostracization

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that you receive from being obese in the first place,

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that they didn't, you know, talk about it all on

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the show. Hey, I got this way and now I'm

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ostracized and it makes me feel worse, so I eat more,

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and it's just this terrible cycle I can't get out of.

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So let's change the stigma. Let's talk about this. Let's

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say that this is unacceptable and that we should look

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at food addiction as an addiction like it is to

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gambling and shopping and drugs. You know, That's why I

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really appreciated the show Intervention. They talked a lot about

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the trauma that preceded a lot of the people on

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the show Intervention's addiction, and they didn't touch upon that

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in the Biggest Loser, and even on My six hundred

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Pound Life, with those people who are severely overweight, the

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clips that I see on that show are of that

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doctor looking at them incredulously and saying something borderline insulting

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to them about weight loss and stopping eating and those things.

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So it just becomes this whole process, this whole circus

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of look at this fat person trying to lose weight.

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Look at this fat person trying to lose weight. We

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should call them a fatty and tell them to lose weight.

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And I think that was one of the things about

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the show that the producers never really talked about.

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No, I think that that's true. And I mean a

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little bit of it is like how kids used to

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be taught to swim. You used to throw them in

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the deep end, right, you know, And and that was

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it was a definitely kind of a deep end philosophy

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where they just like throw you in and see if

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you survive. And that's you know, survived the game. And

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as you know, it's a reality game show, it was

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a game show wasn't a weight loss show. It was

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a game show. Was always a game show. They could

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have been building fricking cars. It's like, you know, and

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in trying to make the fastest car and not the

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and and working crazy hours twenty four hours a day,

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and you know, some of the some of those shows existed.

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It's just a game. It was a and they didn't

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really respect the contestants in any appreciable way, and you

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can get that from the people that they talked to.

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I would like for them to have had a bit

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more balance around around experience about former contestine talking about experience.

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Yeah, I would have liked them to have a little

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more balance around experience. And you know that it did

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benefit some people, and don't get me wrong, it benefited.

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A lot of people.

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And they did have a couple that there was a

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two women who were sisters who lost a lot of

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weight and they said, the biggest loser was the best

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thing that ever happened to me in my life. And

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you know, I can't see how this could be a

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bad thing. And that's great that that's definitely their experience.

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But it was just those two.

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It was just those two. Yeah.

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And then and then the guy who lost the most

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weight put it all back on and then some and

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he was the one talking about how he reached out

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to producers and said, hey, can we get some follow

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up after the show is over kind of aftercare, some

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kind of aftercare gym memberships, personal trainers or you know,

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psychology treatment, psychological treatment. And I think that's the biggest

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thing that they should have hammered home that to sustain this,

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they definitely needed some sort of treatment, mental health treatment.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's difficult. I mean, unless you

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have unless you have some kind of disorder that that

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causes you to gain weight. There's definitely a psychological component

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to weight.

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Gain, Yes, definitely.

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And if you're not addressing that then then what are

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you doing? And they, as the documentary points out, that

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there were no no mental health professionals involved with the

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show at all, and they subbed in the trainers for

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that part of it. And essentially it was like, you know,

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it was carrot and stick, yeah, and sometimes you know,

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sometimes it was like even food as a as both

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a carrot or a static.

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Yeah.

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They had some challenges in there, that's that were temptations

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quote unquote, and part of the challenge was to win

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an added like advantage for that week's weight loss. You

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had to pig out on something that was your favorite food.

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So I can't see how this could ever be something

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that was healthy for them to do, because that just

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reinforces the whole thing of binge in restriction binge and

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restriction good foods versus bad foods and putting morals on foods,

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which is the right way to sabotage any sort of

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weight loss.

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Yeah, the the more than one of them, I think afterwards,

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basically said not so many words always, but that they

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developed eating disorders that they didn't have before. Yeah, during

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the you know, during their time on the show and

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after the show, and and you know, that's obviously that's

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a that's that's that's doing harm in the in the

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process of trying to theoretically trying to do good. It

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is worth talking about the trainer's approach and the personalities

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involved there. I was to say up front that Jen

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Wiederstrom is a friend, and she was on the show

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toward the end of the run in part I think

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I think she stepped in for Bob when he had

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his heart attack, but it may have happened after that

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after maybe after Gillian left. I'm not sure exactly what

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her run was in it, but like, Jenny is somebody

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that has a lot of respect for and I know

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she cares for people, and I know that she you know,

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her approach is not like what we see here.

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So there's that.

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Bob Harper participated in this documentary, and I think it

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was I think he was I think he was being honest,

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but I think it was also a pr move on

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his and his partner, his you know, his representation or whatever,

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whereas Jillian Michaels did not, and so they were free

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to just shit all over her.

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Oh yeah, and it you know, you.

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Only know so much, but it seems justified.

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It does seem justified.

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And I think too, from what little I did watch

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of the show, she was the really hard trainer on everybody,

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but that you know, they did have moments where she did,

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like we said, there was some psychological care provided by

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the trainers, and I did see in the show when

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I did watch it a couple times that I did

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that she would speak to her team and talk to

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them about their weight loss journey. But you have to remember,

468
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these are trainers. They're not qualified to talk to them

469
00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:44.480
about in their their psychiatric or mental health issues.

470
00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:48.079
And remember that anytime the camera's on, anything that goes

471
00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:49.359
on is performative.

472
00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:53.400
Yes, like ridiculously performative. And so there was probably just

473
00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:57.640
that conversation and that care in that moment for that

474
00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:00.839
moment on the screen right right, and then afterwards it

475
00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:02.559
was just hey, listen, if you want to win this,

476
00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:04.759
you gotta lose weight. So drop the calories to a

477
00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:07.920
very unhealthy amount to lose fifteen pounds. Some of these

478
00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:10.039
people were losing fifteen pounds per week.

479
00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:11.599
That is so insane.

480
00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:14.519
That is insane. There is no calorie deficit that is

481
00:25:14.599 --> 00:25:17.000
healthy that way. Even if you if you put them

482
00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:20.599
on ideal body weight calories for their height, that would

483
00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:25.880
be dropping their calories so dangerously low that it's basically

484
00:25:25.960 --> 00:25:28.960
starvation mode for them. So of course they're dropping fourteen

485
00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:30.160
to fifteen pounds per week.

486
00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:39.559
Yeah, yeah, she Okay. Here's my experience with Julian Michaels

487
00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:42.680
is not a personal experience with her, but with her

488
00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:45.359
podcast back in the old days with the Power Cast,

489
00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:48.960
were we would bounce around, you know, in the top

490
00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:52.039
five with her and she would be like number one

491
00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:54.200
and maybe number two. There were was a week or

492
00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:58.400
two somewhere along the line that we were actually above her,

493
00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:01.880
and it was a huge vic because that bitch anyway,

494
00:26:04.839 --> 00:26:08.480
you know, just the competitive feeling about it, you know,

495
00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:10.440
like we felt like what we were doing was more

496
00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:14.480
authentic than what she could possibly be doing. I don't know,

497
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:17.359
I don't you know, I haven't really tracked her that closely.

498
00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:20.319
I know she's kind of a big She's into politics

499
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:25.200
now in ways that I think are really not.

500
00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:31.039
Caring at all, which seems to be the playbook. It's like,

501
00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:33.640
when you lose relevancy, just get on TV and start

502
00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:37.160
saying and that things that'll bring you back to relevant

503
00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:38.359
to a certain demographics.

504
00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:41.680
And I mean that's actually kind of a point because

505
00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:43.839
this show lasted for you know, it was for what

506
00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:47.559
sixteen seasons something like that, so there are multiple seasons

507
00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:51.160
per year, but so actually in production it was like

508
00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:56.720
eight nine years something like that. It is difficult to

509
00:26:56.960 --> 00:27:03.279
keep your show in this geist for that period of time.

510
00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:08.839
You have to keep reinventing it in increasingly uncomfortable ways,

511
00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:16.880
I think, at least increasingly desperate looking ways. Having had

512
00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:25.240
an incredibly popular podcast and then shifting gears to this

513
00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:29.000
show and doing it differently and not chasing that. I

514
00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:32.960
can just tell you even even to be able to

515
00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:37.799
continue to produce content, you have to keep reinventing. And like,

516
00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:41.359
we've never really chased the kind of thing that was

517
00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:44.839
that was going on in the previous show, especially toward

518
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:49.920
the end, where you're bringing on controversial figures just to

519
00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:54.240
be controversial because they are trending at the moment whatever.

520
00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:58.680
It's just like, I can't imagine that, but they definitely did.

521
00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:01.640
They did. They did kind of stunt casting kind of stuff.

522
00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:02.039
They did.

523
00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:05.799
They did all manner of things to try to keep

524
00:28:05.839 --> 00:28:09.200
going because they were all making money and they want

525
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:13.400
to make money. And a question that I have is, okay,

526
00:28:13.480 --> 00:28:16.359
so that the top price was a quarter million dollars,

527
00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:18.720
what are the other ones get paid.

528
00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:22.000
For being on the show and drawing in all that revenue?

529
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:23.960
Because at points it was one of the biggest shows

530
00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:25.279
in the United States.

531
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:27.759
So I feel like they were probably getting a day rate.

532
00:28:28.279 --> 00:28:30.559
They had to have been getting a day rate. There

533
00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:32.880
was just so much money being made from the brand

534
00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:36.480
from the show. From I remember Jillian Michaels had her

535
00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:39.160
own brand and she was selling things and she was selling,

536
00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:43.519
putting her name on you know, fitness bands and videos

537
00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:46.000
and all these things. So all the money that was

538
00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:48.519
just generated from the show, did the contestants see any

539
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:51.279
of that and didn't make their life easier to lose

540
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:55.079
weight because, you know, without the stress of finances, which

541
00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:57.880
obesity also is a socioeconomic thing that we don't look at,

542
00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:01.839
right because I will say the having a trainer, going

543
00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:04.720
to a gym like this is a lot higher than

544
00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:07.759
going to a planet fitness where nobody there is gonna

545
00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:10.640
you know, see you and encourage you along the journey

546
00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:12.440
like it's been here at Third Street.

547
00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:17.839
And also the there's also the food quality issue.

548
00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:20.279
The food quality issue to buy things that cost you,

549
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:24.079
you know a little bit more to get better quality food.

550
00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:29.240
It's just it's just such a socioeconomic and psychological issue,

551
00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:32.079
and he just attacked it from this viewpoint of all

552
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:34.799
you have to do is separate yourself from society for.

553
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:37.079
Six months and you two can lose this weight.

554
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:41.319
Yeah, yeah, remove all the other extraneous you know, circumstances,

555
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:44.039
and you can lose two hundred and forty pounds in

556
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:44.640
six months.

557
00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:52.680
Yeah, that's that's just it's pure insanity. Yeah, I did

558
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:55.000
find that. I you know, I had a lot of

559
00:29:55.079 --> 00:30:00.279
empathy for the people that participated in the documentary, but

560
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:04.359
at the same time, they refamed themselves a little bit

561
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:08.079
by doing that, and it's it's not it's not a

562
00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:13.000
pure it's not a pure endeavor to be involved in

563
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:15.839
something that's kind of going to put you in the

564
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:16.559
public eye again.

565
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:19.440
Yeah, it brought them back into the public arena. Yeah.

566
00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:25.160
I the one guy, the guy who lost the most weight.

567
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:30.680
His name is just giving Danny Danny Cahill. At the

568
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:33.799
end of the documentary, he's saying, well, my wife and

569
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:36.119
I feel like now we need to do this for

570
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:42.359
ourselves and actually lose weight again. And you know, a

571
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:44.960
game show is the last place that he would do that.

572
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:49.519
I'm curious because, I mean, this is probably filmed over

573
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:52.039
the last couple of years and it's probably been in

574
00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:55.599
the can for a minute. I wonder, I wonder where

575
00:30:55.640 --> 00:31:01.279
he is with that now, like what he's managed to accomplish,

576
00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:03.680
or if it was just something he said because it

577
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:05.440
puts a put kapper on the show.

578
00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:08.000
Yeah, because I know that.

579
00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:11.599
I mean, this kind of documentary and a reality show

580
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:13.240
are almost the same thing.

581
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:15.400
Yeah, they're all sensation.

582
00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:21.200
The Venn diagram is damn near a circle, and a

583
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:25.319
lot of documentaries, you know your fed lines. In one

584
00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:28.599
hundred percent of reality shows your fed lines.

585
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:32.920
Or like with reality shows, they will record hours upon

586
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:36.279
hours upon hours of content, and then even for a

587
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:38.640
three part documentary that was three I want to say,

588
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:42.839
forty five minute episodes episode, they only use maybe twenty

589
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:45.519
minutes total. But you know, of course, because they're showing

590
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:48.079
two minutes here, two minutes here, two minutes here, it

591
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:51.839
looks like a considerable or just one one hour interview,

592
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:54.640
but what they probably did was more of like close

593
00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:57.079
to three to four hours of content of him talking,

594
00:31:57.240 --> 00:31:59.319
and they took and then they took the highlights from that.

595
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:01.319
Yeah, And the one thing I will say is that

596
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:04.200
they obviously did one long interview with each one of them,

597
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:09.440
and then all the other interview stuff was archival from

598
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:16.160
Biggest Loser and it was pretty Christine quality, which leads

599
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:19.200
me to believe that they actually got access to the

600
00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:24.759
Biggest Loser tapes themselves and not or maybe they got

601
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:29.599
it from you. It was NBC, right, maybe they got

602
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:34.559
from there. Often with documentaries, you're taking a YouTube video

603
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:39.480
and you're converting it to whatever you know system you're

604
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:43.440
currently using, and then you just get clearance. You know,

605
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:45.440
you work on getting clearance, just you had to pay

606
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:47.359
for it. Other times it's just you know, fair use

607
00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:47.880
or whatever.

608
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:49.680
I wonder.

609
00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:53.319
Part of me wonder is how they got all of

610
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:56.000
that footage because they couldn't and made it look so good. Yeah,

611
00:32:56.039 --> 00:32:59.759
there's no way that they could have done this with

612
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:00.920
out all that footage.

613
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:01.680
Yeah, you're right.

614
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:04.000
And I think that this brings up a good point

615
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:06.839
that is, if we see the Biggest Loser make it

616
00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:08.319
come back in a couple of years here, we'll know

617
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:10.160
exactly why they made this documentary.

618
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:14.559
Yeah, like they're basically revisionist, cleaning it up, you.

619
00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:17.079
Know, or saying, hey, we did it wrong the first time. Yeah,

620
00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:19.920
now we're bringing it back. Because you know, there is.

621
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:24.480
With social media and fitness influencers, a lot of this

622
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:28.200
fitness stuff is back front and center in the social zeitgeist.

623
00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:35.880
Yeah, and with the the GOLP one receptor agonists available

624
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:39.279
now waitless, it's a totally different kind of experience for

625
00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:39.880
some people.

626
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:40.400
Yeah.

627
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:43.640
Now you know where they just like, you know, it's

628
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:47.640
basically attacking their appetite and so they're not gonna they're

629
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:50.440
just not gonna eat as much and then they're gonna

630
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:54.000
lose weight. And you don't necessarily have to take the

631
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:59.160
crazy exercise approach to keep like whittling these people down

632
00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:04.240
to shadows of or their former selves. Yeah, he could

633
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:08.920
definitely be like a you know, we'll take the hits

634
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:11.480
on on the criticism what we did before, but we're

635
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:12.119
going to do better.

636
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:14.000
Yeah, We're going to do better this time around. It's

637
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:17.159
a totally different production team. You know, the Biggest Loser

638
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:21.360
sponsored by Ozempic. And your trainers are you know who's

639
00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:24.239
who's really big in the fitness influencer world out there

640
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:28.039
in Instagram, Like one of the most popular ones Joe Rogan.

641
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:33.440
No, he already did his reality show turn. He doesn't

642
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:34.440
need that money anymore.

643
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:34.719
You know.

644
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:38.400
The trainers are these fitness influencers that you see all

645
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:41.800
over YouTube or Instagram or TikTok and and it's sponsored

646
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:44.440
by ozempic. And now this is the Biggest Loser. You know,

647
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:46.159
we're going to get you not only we're going to

648
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:48.960
get you into being thin, but you're going to be

649
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:52.559
as jacked as you know, a bodybuilder. And it's going

650
00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:55.559
to happen in six months. You know, there's there's there's

651
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:56.199
that thing.

652
00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:59.719
That yeah, that's crazy, and it's like possible, and it's possible.

653
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:02.239
Yeah, up right, And that's what a lot of fitness

654
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:05.039
influencers who are big and who also sell coaching try

655
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:07.920
to sell you. They do it, they show you their results,

656
00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:10.559
and then they try to show you, Oh, I did it,

657
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:11.440
Now you can do it.

658
00:35:11.480 --> 00:35:13.880
All you have to do is follow my plan. Is it?

659
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:17.920
Longevity Clinics HRT clinics also.

660
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:20.440
Like it's huge, it's huge money, and it's always been

661
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:23.280
huge money. Yeah, yeah, And that's the reason why they

662
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:25.840
push the shame of it, the shame of being overweight

663
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:28.639
on you so much, because they know that you would

664
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:31.199
be willing to take a shot that you have to

665
00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:33.679
pretty much pay for out of pocket, right because insurance

666
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:36.480
isn't covering a lot of GLP ones unless you absolutely

667
00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:36.920
need them.

668
00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:40.519
Yeah, it does for some people, but it's not as universal.

669
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:40.760
Right.

670
00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:43.280
And then now there's clinics where you can go and

671
00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:45.559
pay five hundred dollars a month to get the muscles

672
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:47.599
you want or five hundred dollars a month to lose

673
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:48.519
the weight that you want.

674
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:51.639
And now it's even bigger business these days.

675
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:57.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm trying to think of anything else

676
00:35:57.159 --> 00:36:00.159
that really occurred to me while while watching this. It

677
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:03.599
I just just in terms of the production, if you

678
00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:05.800
take the point of view out of it and talk

679
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:08.440
purely about the production, the production was really well done.

680
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:12.639
And in general, a three parter will have a lot

681
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:16.079
of fat that you think about top fat that could

682
00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:18.199
be cut, and this didn't have a lot of that.

683
00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:20.760
To me, it was it was a relatively you know,

684
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:28.239
straightforward production. Each episode flowed from one to the next.

685
00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:33.559
Each episode sort of had its own identity, and it's

686
00:36:33.639 --> 00:36:38.360
all the same people all the whole time. From that perspective,

687
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:40.119
it was well done well what they were trying to do.

688
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:42.280
I think they did a good job of accomplishing it.

689
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:45.400
They did, and I think it was a little bit

690
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:47.960
more fair at the end of the day, where there

691
00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:50.159
were people who said, hey, this benefited me and was

692
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:52.440
good to my life, and then there were a couple

693
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.360
of people out there who said this was the worst

694
00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:57.400
thing for me. And I didn't really lose as much

695
00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:59.599
weight as I wanted to, or I didn't keep it off,

696
00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:02.960
and I did stay healthy. I think they were a

697
00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:05.920
little they were a little sensationalized about saying how bad

698
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:08.320
it was, but I think some of it was accurate,

699
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:11.599
because again, the message wasn't getting these people into a

700
00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:14.039
healthy weight for them and getting rid of their health

701
00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:17.719
issues and starting them on a healthy path towards, you know,

702
00:37:18.159 --> 00:37:21.079
being healthier in their body in their minds. It was

703
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:23.519
lose as much weight as quickly as possible.

704
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:27.800
Actually, that reminds me of something that I was going

705
00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:34.639
to say. There's a lot of dialogue online about o

706
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:39.199
zembic face. So people either face looks a particular way

707
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:42.159
after they've been on ozepic, and like people try to

708
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:45.840
lay it off on ozembic. And there were people who

709
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:48.039
had lost a lot of weight in this show who

710
00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:50.800
totally had ozepic face. Yeah, and it was just because

711
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:53.199
it's just weight loss. It's just rapid weight loss.

712
00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:55.840
It looks a particular way it does, and if you

713
00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:57.880
don't want that effect, you got to slow it down. Yeah,

714
00:37:58.039 --> 00:37:59.320
you got to play the long game. You got to

715
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:02.880
lose one pound week or less for however long you

716
00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:04.719
need to lose that for it to get to the way.

717
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:05.159
You want to go to.

718
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:09.360
And just as an aside too, if you're over forty.

719
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:17.519
Your face is constantly refashioning itself. Yes, the bones in

720
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:22.800
your face replace those cells are replaced over time, and

721
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:27.400
when they refashion they have errors, and so you're gonna

722
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:31.400
look different anyway. But yeah, the rapid weight loss face

723
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:35.400
is you know, distinct, It's very distinct. Yeah, I was like,

724
00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:40.639
I was shocked by that, all right. Traditionally we rate

725
00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:43.639
to these things on a scale that I come up with,

726
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:50.800
and then they're all individual. There's no usually no relationship

727
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:56.920
from one rating to another about quality. It's just within

728
00:38:57.000 --> 00:38:59.440
the show. And I usually pick a thing to rate

729
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:06.360
on and I would say this time that I want

730
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:11.679
to rate it on tubes of Gillian Michael's lip filler,

731
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:19.280
going one through five, five being best, one being worst.

732
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:24.639
You can, uh, let's let's say, let's split it up.

733
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:31.320
We'll say one rating for production and another for for

734
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:32.559
quality of the message.

735
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:33.119
Uh.

736
00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:34.960
For production, i'd definitely give it a five.

737
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:37.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would too, And then for quality

738
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:39.679
of the message, I'd give it a three and a half.

739
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:43.519
Yeah, yeah, I would say, yeah, probably probably three three

740
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:46.760
and a half for me too. It's it, you know,

741
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:50.800
if you take any thought of alterior motive out of it,

742
00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:54.280
it's it's definitely a net positive.

743
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:54.920
Yes.

744
00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:59.159
If if you think that there's alterior motive like we suspect,

745
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:04.559
then it's a little less but but it's worth watching

746
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:10.719
for sure. I mean people, if you people who hated

747
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:16.920
Biggest Loser, hate watched Biggest Loser, or we're actual fans,

748
00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:20.679
I think that there's something for everyone in those groups

749
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:23.239
in this documentary series.

750
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:24.280
Yeah, I agree.

751
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:27.760
Well, thanks for coming on, Josh. Where can people find you?

752
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:30.639
You can find me at Amazing j rab at Instagram.

753
00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:33.320
I am at the j McDonald of these social media.

754
00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:35.159
This show is fifty percent facts for a percentage of

755
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:37.119
the word and fifty sus numbers fifty percent facts as

756
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:39.440
a speak upon podcast associated with that heart media.

757
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:39.880
On the obscuer.

758
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:41.480
So if net or fun not fucking misord

759
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Oh,