Can a vegan powerlifter be really strong? | Nick Squires aka Meaty McSorley

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Pretty good. Probably a little closer
closer. Yeah, don't be afraid.

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It won't bit intimidating. It won't
bite you or give you a disease as

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far as I know. It's too
close to my mouth. No, no,

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no promises. It was Santaaz last
year. It's fine. Can you

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get a disease to a mic?
Probably right, bird flu? Oh,

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don't mention that, please. News. Yeah, everything's in the damn news.

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The question of the day, the
only reason you're here. Okay,

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leave after this, Yeah, okay. I saw a movie, all right,

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and it said if I eat a
veggie burrito that my dick is harder

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and bigger. Is that true?
Based on my own personal experience, It's

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not true? God damne, how
darre does Netflix lie to me? Yeah?

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It's uh, it's bad right like, And it's it's something that comes

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up all the time. Is a
lot of these miracle health claims about it,

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and it's it's never something that I've
been interested in or you know,

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any contribution to it to why I
don't eat I don't eat meat, but

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it's definitely prevalent, and you know
I don't. I don't think it's long

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term. I think it's a bad
idea. You know, you tell people

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stuff like that and they might believe
it, and then a couple of years

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down the line doesn't pan out for
them and they feel like, oh well,

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if that's not true, everything Elsey're
saying about veganism isn't true. And

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you know, I don't think it's
a I don't think it's a good idea

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long term. Yeah, I wonder
if they actually had because clearly you've known

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the movie I'm talking about, was
it Game Changers or something? Yeah,

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the Game Changers, And like,
clearly everyone's got an agenda on any movie

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they like. Most ninety nine percent
of documentaries aren't because people are interested in

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shit. They have an agenda somewhere, Yeah, which clearly shows in that

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movie if you know anything about nutrition
or health and fitness, which I agree

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does suck. But I wonder what
like the real agenda is, or like

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the meetings that go down there,
like all right, we need to grab

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because it's all all business goes.
We need to get more boys age fifteen

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to twenty five to stop eating steak. Right, let's tell them their cocks

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are gonna you know, throw about
with one fucking bean and cheese that's all

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it takes. It's just so weird. Yeah, all right, let's grab

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a very athletic black man from the
NFL and say he's vegan and put them

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all over this fucking movie. Yeah, it's it is, unfortunately, because

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it's like the nuance there is,
like, yeah, you can do whatever

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you need to do on a vegan
diet, but there's no need to like

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oversell it, overhype it, and
they get what they're going for. I

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mean, those those kind of things
someone hears, they're like, oh,

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well, that's insecurity that they're they're
worried about, and they want to they

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want to quick fix for that.
Yeah. The other side's doing the same

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thing or worse too. Right,
you go to the other side with carnivore

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and that's fixing every disease under the
planet and making your skin glow. And

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you know, yeah, people always
want me like fairies. They see some

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carnivore claim and they want me to
like respond to it or talk about It's

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like, I don't give a shit, Yeah, like that's not why I'm

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vegan. They don't. They don't
give a shit either, because you're constipated.

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Hey, truth is true. I
will say that that's that's a benefit.

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I'm in and out. You probably
got a good amount of fiber.

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Happy, Oh plenty of feb You
don't got You don't gotta go to in

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and out to be in and out. That's what you're saying. Any animal

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products, not for eleven years now
at all. No, no dairy,

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no nothing, No no gelatin egg. Yeah, gelatin. That's the sneaky

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bitch. Uh there's Oh yeah.
I went to like the store of the

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day and I got like a thing
of planners salted peanut. Nope, you're

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fucked. And I'm like, wait
a second. Gelatin in this is to

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make the salt stick to the peanut
a little bit better. But yeah,

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you gotta be careful. I broke
it to a seven year old the other

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day. What's in gelatin? Yeah
it's gross. No, I remember hearing

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that as a kid. You know, kids would always talk about mountain dew

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making my dick smaller because of red
yellow twelve theme here is there? Yeah.

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Yeah, my whole life's around growing
my dead. It's any habit I

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could have. It's the morning,
would hour and then and then the morning.

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You're about my age. You don't
remember, like like my whole soccer

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team swear in like fifth grade,
they're all like, dude, we can't

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drink no more Gatorator Mountain dew,
like make sure dick small yellow number five

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Yeah yeah, and we're like,
fuck, do you nothing yellow? Can't

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drink anything yellow? Yeah, We're
fucked. At the same age, you're

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like, dude, don't eat skittles. It's horse. And it turns out

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it wasn't the dick thing. It
was Bam. Now you all have ADHD

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Yeah, probably true, Yeah,
probably true. We should take a second

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and introduce you. This is Nick
relate tell us just like you give us

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the capsule summary. I'm Nick you
lip weights, Yeah, I am here

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in Sacramento, California. I am
a powerlifter in a number of random federations

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currently and I am moving up to
the one ten kilo class this summer and

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see what we can do there.
Nice extra broccoli. Yeah, just sober

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one knows right. So in this
in this building last week I had I

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brought in my friend Michael Fahey,
who directed U Westside Versus the World,

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but he also was the editor of
Forksover Knives, one of the like turning

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points of vegan documentary Ish I don't
know why programming stick of my brain.

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Like, I know, it was
a big deal. I know I watched

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it. But behind the scenes,
some of which seabask got goes to Mike's

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question a little bit. Uh,
the the behind the scenes production was a

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was a mess. It was a
really mess. It was very it was

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very agenda driven. Its very you
know, cherry pick results or whatever.

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But like people who were involved in
it kind of kept checking out along the

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way, including the director. And
part of the deal was that they had,

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you know, all all of these
hours of interviews that they did,

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and he couldn't deal with them unless
they were transferred to text, so that

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they literally had to be transcribed.
And this was a long enough ago there

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was no automatic process for them.
He couldn't deal with them because his brain

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couldn't. Yeah, well that was
the thought, you know, he didn't

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like to deal with it. Yeah, yeah, that's a little different.

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Yeah. And after the movie was
success, they started taking those interviews and

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publishing them as books in which they
made money off of. And there's there's

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a whole industry around that movie still. And whether they intended to make money

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at the outset, they sure have. In the long run, And I

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mean that's how how that stuff kind
of gets made. I mean it's done

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either as obviously just kind of a
labor of love thing on a low budget,

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or you try to pull in enough
people that you will you will make

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money. I'm sure that there's probably
some Carnivor thing out there the same kind

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of deal. It's not so much
about the ideology in the in mass media

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is it is about will it does
it have legs swimming money. I'm kind

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of surprise that Carnivore hasn't done like
a documentary that I know of. Yeah,

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it's called no Ship, like a
big one. I got big fucking

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what's his name, doctor whatever,
Sean Baker shun Bakern. Yeah, they're

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they're all doctors, bost thinking they
al wactors. The one in Puerto Rico.

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Oh, that guy's not even the
carnival anymore though. No. Yeah,

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I think he got sick, yeah, which is neither here nor there

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because then everyone points a finger too, but then like you could also just

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get sick. Yeah. I think
the big difference there is that there,

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while it is heavily cherry picked in
these documentaries, there is data about reducing

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animal products in your diet that probably
is good for you in the long run.

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I don't know that the data is
there, or maybe it has hasn't

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been studied yet for the carnivore diet, but I think there's something to go

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off of, yeah, for the
vegan stuff, And I don't know there's

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a lot to go off on carnival
for except for you know, short term

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you know, anecdotes pretty much.
Yeah, Yeah, I think that this

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is what I hear from listening to
Lane Norton. I think that there's initial

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benefit to blood work for people who
go keto or go carnivore, and then

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it flips around and it's and it
typically gets worse any diet, any diet,

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I don't care what it is.
If you take someone eating a normal

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diet that we're all eating and you
all of a sudden start paying very close

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attention to what you're eating, of
course you're gonna get healthier. Yeah,

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it doesn't matter what it is,
because there's so much shit that you're eating,

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you're not even thinking about it,
and all of a sudden, you're

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eating anything that's uh doesn't have to
be whole food with plant bas's anything that's

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closer to unprocessed, untreated and stuff, and you're paying very clo attention what

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you're putting your body. You're gonna
get healthier. But that's healthier long term.

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I can't speak to that, but
it's going to you're going to see

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a benefit from it. All of
a sudden. You're paying you're tracking your

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calories for the first time, and
you're losing weight. You're like, oh,

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it's because i'm doing this that.
No, it's not. Because you're

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for the first time in your life. If you're tracking calories, you're paying

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attention to the way you're eating.
Yeah, and you're thinking benefit that's fine.

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Yeah, the deficit itself does most
of the work. I'd put money

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down that in the world mostly agrees
that McDonald's is like not good for you

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or whatever. Now right, like, it's probably not the best probably the

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most processed shit you can find.
I bet you if we take someone even

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just like twenty twenty five percent body
fat, fairly unhealthy and we throw them

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on nuggets, but in a deficit, we probably show some positive blood work

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in like three to six months.
Yeah, and then yeah, five years,

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probably not looking great, but it
might too, you know, because

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like a deficit really is like kind
of a curer of many, many things.

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Not to say that quality of food
doesn't matter, because obviously it does.

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You need like absorption and uptake of
vitamins and minerals, fiber seemingly helps

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them in at least colon cancer and
comfort. Like, there is a lot

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of things that play a role.
But you could argue the role is just

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as big a genetics. Right,
someone can eat fucking Mediterranean perfectly whatever the

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shit diet for thirty years and still
end up with cancer too, you know,

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so like to me, a lot
of it does end up still like

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majoring in the minors, you know, like let's try to eat kind of

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good, let's move our bodies,
let's sleep pretty good, and then like

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what's everything fucking else that you're fucking
up? You know, Like are you

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ripping cigarettes in a computer vape all
day? Are you not like sleeping,

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are you you know you stressed out
of your brains? Are you just walking

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around angry all the time? Like
all those things are probably gonna play a

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bigger role then you grabbing a fucking
snickers out the door every day. There's

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a professor that did a twinkie diet
and he put himself in a correct deficit

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on twinkies and he lost weight and
saw improved markers in the short term.

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Yeah, I think there was an
Australian chick that did that, And I

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don't know if she died or something
bad happened. I think I think she

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was like a YouTuber type. I
forgot because everyone points to that too,

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you know, kind of like this
carnivore cat who just got sick and stopped

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doing carnivore, Like he's going to
be the pinata for every anti carnivore argument

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ever. And I'm not pro carnivore
by any means, but I'm also understand

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like an equals one, like that's
not really talk by antidote, like that's

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one dude. You know, it's
just ironic as shit, right, and

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so it makes them look stupid.
But so the health reasons are the things

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that they drove you to it,
or the ethical part or some combination of

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the two, or one hundred percent
ethical. You know. I've always ate

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like shit. I continue to eat
like shit, you know, It's why

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I got into power lifting in the
first place. I'm like, oh,

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you can there's a sport I can
do where I'm encouraged to eat like shit,

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like sign me up, right,
Like it was one hundred percent ethical,

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you know, and it's a you
know, I was vegetarian when I

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was a kid. I stopped in
high school and you know, went nuts

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and and it came back to it
primarily from I was doing dog rescue,

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you know. We were fostering and
rehoming and rehabilitating pit bulls and other bully

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breeds, you know. And I
had kind of this moment where I'm sitting

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there and I'm like, dude,
i just spend all day, my money,

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my time helping these dogs, and
now I'm sitting down, I'm eating

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a steak, right, and I'm
like, there's a disconnect there, and

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why is this animal desert of me
putting so much effort into helping and this

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one I don't give a shit about, right, And So that was kind

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of a moment for me that I
realized, like, I'm not comfortable with

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doing that anymore. And it started
like a year long kind of chain event

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where I just started cutting animal products
out of my life. And I had

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just had a kid. You know, there was a big change in my

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psyche at that moment where I'm like
I need to stay alive now, right,

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Like there was no I didn't really
before that. It's like I could

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take it or leave it right,
I'm here on my here, I don't

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care. All of a sudden,
I'm like, I need to see this

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kid, you know, grow up, graduate high school, go to college,

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all this stuff. And so that's
around the time that I started working

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out. It's around the time that
I went vegan, It's around the time

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that I stopped drinking. And it
was just sort of a catalyst for for

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all that in my life. And
you know, the health. I understand

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that there's potential health benefits. I
understand there's potential or there's definitely environmental benefits.

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There's no way around that. But
it's not that's not where I'm coming

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from. It's just I don't I
don't want to contribute to animal agriculture at

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this point and found a way to
do it. Like there there are a

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couple of vegetarians in my wife's family, and but my observation there they don't

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listen, So I'm okay, is
that they're just it's not that they're vegetarians,

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it's that they're not meditarians, if
that makes sense. That's a lot

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of people. Right, then they're
a pescatarian. Then they're chicken only octolovo

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Yeah yeah, yeah, and that's
all fine. What do I give a

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shit? But like some of it, yeah, it's just like identity tied.

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They just yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah, the postetarian, yeah, postetarian.

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Yeah, just like it's not like
they're focusing on eating vegetables as they're

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focusing on not eating meat. Yeah. I don't need a ton of vegetables,

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you know, Yeah, it's like
a regular dinner. Look like it

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is a lot of pasta. It's
a lot of fakeosthetarians. Yeah. I

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mean it's like I probably have more
in common with a lot of the carnivore

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people than they'd like to admit,
because if I don't need a lot of

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vegetables more than I used to.
But like a typical day is like oatmeal

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with a scoop of protein powder.
What's the protein soy or what's the what's

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the key right now? Like what's
the cricket take? Oh that's an animal,

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right, I don't know, because
that's the argument that it's not well

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because they go by cells or brain
or some animal shit that I don't know.

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Yeah, like the definition of sentience
is is difficult for me. I'm

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an idiot. It's it's moving around, it's alive. I'm not gonna eat

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it that because that's a big thing
about oysters and stuff like that. And

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it's like, yeah, yeah,
people get into very specific technical definitions of

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like being able to feel pain.
I'm like, it's an animal. It's

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very easy for me not to eat
it. Move on. I don't want

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to ridicule you. But there are
questions, because these are real questions.

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So there's a lot of believers now
also that like the mushroom network and shit

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like that, being on the edge
ACENTI And I don't know if you've read

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or heard any exact yeah, or
even just all plants in general, like

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the vibrations they have and like how
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like, all right, well then
like fuck man, Like some people are

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talking about mushrooms being smarter than animals. Yeah, I've heard it. You

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know, I know that there's a
lot of like all plants feel pain kind

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of stuff out there, but you
know, in talking to botanists, they

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talk about the specific characteristics that feel
pain, noisecepters, and how plants lack

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them. And so while let's say
that, you know, let's say that

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I cut a plant. It may
be aware because of more like a pressure

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feeling, but it doesn't have the
ability to interpret pain. Sure, And

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so if everything, if everything's alive
and everything setient, sentient, then it

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comes down to what's the least amount
of harm. And I've seen an animal

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die, Yeah, I know what
that looks like. I know that that

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animal is experiencing a lot of pain
and trauma. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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I've also picked a fucking apple,
right right, Like, I think

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that's the argument with the cricket,
you know, is that it's somewhere in

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between there. Yeah, But for
me, like what's the benefit? How

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much? How much am I getting
out of cricket protein versus a pea protein

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or a slight protein. Say you
get real jack, bro, I don't

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know, cricket jacked? Yeah,
I don't know. You can jump real

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fucking fire, yeah, I don't
know. I remember that first started like

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really popping out in like twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen. I was getting like

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sponsorship offers left and right, and
at that time, even like protein itself

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didn't even taste good. I mean
it's still I don't like it much,

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but like protein bars have advanced and
some are pretty yummy, and like the

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regular protein bar like quest was just
coming out and they're like, oh,

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that's pretty good. I'm like,
there's no way that this cricket bar is

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gonna be yummy, right, you
know, So like me who does eat

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meat, Like, where the fuck
is my argument here? And so then

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they they want on some marketing stuff
similar to the vegie breed don't making your

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cockpig like, they're just like cricket
protein's more absorbable and it packs more per

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cricket than steak. I'm like,
yeah, but I'm not eating a cricket.

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You know. They just start like
stretching marketing to do to like win

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any way they can with the chances
are it's probably just very cheap for them.

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Yeah. If you're in the South
right now, cicado protein, yeah,

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I think everywhere. That's so scary. Cicadas man, the thirteen and

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seventeen year broods. Yeah, emerging
at the same time, like last week,

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Yeah, screaming, I get it. Yeah, what is Arizona,

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New Mexico? I think get a
huge I think Vegas gets a little bit.

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I'm not. Yeah, when I
lived in Vegas, we had it

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there. Yeah, that's scary something. Even the crickets I'll just find in

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the garage's fucking yeah. You
come home in Vegas in the summer,

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there's like just a wall of cockroaches. They're giant, giant, but not

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many mosquitoes, so you kind of
win there. There's no water, yeah,

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thank goodness. They don't like to
dry well. Sacramento is getting,

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like, speaking of cockroaches, more
cockroaches than it's like probably ever had because

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it's so much hotter in the in
the h in the summer, and so

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they're in your house looking for water. Yeah, that's the primary thing.

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So based on the timeline that you
just gave us here, you don't really

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have experience lifting while you were an
omnivore. You primarily we were tapering off

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of animal proteins. Yeah. It
was about six months. And I mean,

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like I did the whole thing,
my whole life, where like I

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bought into the fitness industry like get
fit quick. Yeah, you know that's

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so prevalent, and so I like
for my entire after I was about nineteen

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or twenty. I would sign up
for a gym, I'd go for three

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six months, not seeing the results
that I felt that I should be seeing

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at that point because of what I'd
heard and read and you know, the

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impression you get, and so that
I would stop. I played hockey.

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I had a pretty good base as
far as you know, legs and presterior

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chain just from playing hockey a lot. But yeah, it was only about

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six months of lifting as an omnivore
and then I went vegetarian and then started

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cutting out dairy. Do you lift
it all for hockey? I mean even

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hockey in LA probably wasn't incredibly popular. Yeah, And it wasn't like it

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was like it's like whale shit beer
League Hockey coat like nothing serious. It's

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just a bunch of fat guys playing
yeah, yeah, having fun. Yeah,

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nothing crazy. Yeah, hockey is
not a big sport in California period.

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I think probably just because so damn
hot. Yeah, I mean the

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Mighty Ducks movie came out, and
yeah, roller hockey was big for a

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little bit. Yea. So I
got into it when we got pro teams,

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you know, I mean Vegas got
the best pro team and there a'

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you no fucking ice snore there.
Yeah, yeah, it is kind of

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random, just I mean like versus
Canada where of course, of course,

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or Minnesota, but then opposite of
that, like lacrosse is more popular in

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the East Coast and up north there
than it is here, and we have

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like lacrosse weather. Yeah, you
know some of us just like culturally random.

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Yeah, lacrosse is so much an
old school kind of literally old schools

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kind of sport. Yeah yeah,
Connecticut and Ship, Yeah, not so

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much in our experience here. Wrestling
same idea. Yeah, you know,

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we have like insane athletes in California
that play everything, but wrestling is just

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not as big as it is in
Ohio, Pennsylvania, Minnesota. Yeah,

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although we're kind of hubs for MMA, but yeah, yeah, MMA is

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so spread now, the MMA is
so spread. We were definitely an early

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hope with your ayah, but it's
fucking everywhere, Like even Jackson's isn't what

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it used to be. Like obviously, bones and people are still there,

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but people are everywhere. Pereira,
it's just him and his buddies in fucking

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Brazil, you know, like you
see that video not change topics, you

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know, Pereira m Champ right now
in the one eighty fives. Do you

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watch UFC a little bit? Yeah? They did? You see the AI

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video of him speaking English? I
didn't see that. Oh fuck, they're

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here, dude, the sky net
is here. So this guy can't speak

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a lick of English, like maybe
three words, you know. And I've

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seen him in live streams and interviews
and all that, and uh, really

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stoic looking cat incredibly powerful, just
like literally would be like a James Bond

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villain, you know, not who
you want to fuck with. Then his

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accent and he's all tad and tan
and shit. And then this video he's

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at a press conference and I think
they just visually animate his mouth. And

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then obviously the audio is all English, and I assume it's a translation of

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what he was saying in a different
interview, and it's so spot on it's

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freaky as fuck. That's strange.
Yeah, I mean, I mean we've

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talked about this before on the show
that we got like offered that for ourselves,

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not for free, but yeah,
so that they basically they make a

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voice clone and then they can make
you speak basically any language they want.

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Yeah, but the exponential growth of
that is insane. We talked to him

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like within four years ago or three
years ago, and they needed like three

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hours of our voice. They needed
obviously x amount of money, they needed

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all these like perfectly lined up things. Now I think they can do it

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with like two seconds of your voice. Yeah. I work in like information

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security and we're absolutely cooked. Yeah
you're done, dude. My entire last

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ten years has been like an entire
organization brought to its knees because someone believed

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an email, yeah, or a
text. And now you're telling me that

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they can call with someone else's voice. No, you're done. We're done.

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They can call with other voices,
and you can scam and I can

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call Subos's phone, so my name
pops up, although it's not me calling.

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Yeah, like you can do anything, bro, Yeah, you can

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do anything. Yeah. Yeah,
you're done. That African ancestor that needed

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five a grand prince, Oh yeah
we're done. Yeah, we're done.

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His name was now Michael Ford.
Yeah, we are done there everywhere.

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Can you imagine the scams coming,
It's gonna be bad. Yeah. When

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you say me, dude, you
got some kind of fucking No, there's

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nothing unplug move into the mountains.
That's all. There's that's all that's left.

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Just just leave the grid behind.
Yeah. Yeah, Well how did

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you get into that? Uh,
it's a long path of like doing photography

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as a transition to the digital photography, and then getting more into computers and

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then working in it, and then
you know, kind of wearing a lot

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of hats and one of them being
security. And now you know, I

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work for an MSP here in Sacramento, and you know, I'm an account

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manager for like twenty seven businesses around
here, and a big part of that

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is security. So you know,
big part of my day is security.

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Yeah. Interesting, I am.
Yeah, and I just wonder where we're

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headed. I don't know, like
like passwords are an issue, and we're

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trying to get rid of passwords.
Yeah, I mean, like even like

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everyone got to put everybody in MFA, and you know, I was just

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a security conference in DC and it
was like MFA is already cooked. Like

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you know, we're years behind in
reality. If anyone is committed enough to

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getting into your environment, they're going
to get into your environment, Like it's

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just a matter of time. Yeah. That's kind of like physical stuff too,

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Like you feel so safe. But
let's take the internet away, Like

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if someone wants to fuck with you, you're fucked, you know what I

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mean. Like if someone if they're
dedicated enough, Yeah, they're gonna punch

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through the window of your car at
a red light, you know what I

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mean? Like it would that is
like a sad truth. And so I

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think the Internet people felt was safe. You know when I was growing up,

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it wasn't like my parents are on
my ass, you know, like,

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hey, don't fucking say your name, don't say right, And that's

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kind of like good things to learn. Obviously that won't because there's ips and

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other forms to find you. But
beside the point, Uh, my question

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is why isn't AI made by good
people? Then it's a lot of white

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hat out there, Like if the
bad stuffs, if the bad stuff's winning

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the race, why don't we use
this AI brain to start with the security

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and then bring in the fun.
There's more money and bad things, sad

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things, for sure, more money
and bad things how sad? How sad?

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And there's more notoriety in it.
You know, if you're the if

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you're the team that brought down Cospersky
a couple of years ago, you're the

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team that hacked an actual internet security
company. That's your legend now. Yeah,

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if you stopped it and nobody knows
who you are, we need snowed

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in or whatever. Where's that fuck? You can't be extradited. Yeah,

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it's trapped. Yeah, I need
him, get him on a call.

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I do save us. Yeah,
I don't know. I mean it's it's

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scarier to me in terms of like
just banking and all that kind of stuff

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than it is in any other way. I think reputationally everyone is is kind

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of equally at risk. But I
just why, like going back to what

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you said, why can't they hack
in and like erase everybody's student loans or

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yeah? Yeah, yeah, where's
the Batman? We need the good we

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need the nerdy Batman takeover. I'm
sick. Yeah yeah, just pay my

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registration on my car, just a
little little convenient thing. Yeah, a

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little gift for Batman. It's just
paid off for two years. Yeah,

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that'd be nice. Oh my god. It reminds me I need to someone

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hacked in and renewed my HBO go
Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Why can't I

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just share my Netflix for a month
instead of raising me two bucks? Bastards?

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I haven't actually seen the crackdown on
that. Oh no, they'll get

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Yeah, they'll get you. Yeah
I've seen it. Yeah you're done.

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Yeah I haven't. Well, the
only one I was sharing that with somebody

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else. This was a Disney Plus
and I did that one on my own.

404
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Now, yeah, I don't think
I was cracked. I think they

405
00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:11.599
just raised the price. I think
that, like some parts of my entire

406
00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:15.720
family are using some of my accounts. Yeah, I had my Netflix at

407
00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:17.559
my parents' house and they said,
hey, it's not working anymore. And

408
00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:19.319
that was around the same time.
So yeah, no, they're they're cracking

409
00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:22.960
out for sure. Yeah you can
add it or whatever. They'll just add

410
00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:26.920
like three bucks a line or yeah, stupid, you can add them like

411
00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:29.240
a phone line. You know,
you've always shared that tweet they did like

412
00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:30.519
a few years ago, and if
I love is sharing your Netflix account,

413
00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:33.599
it's so good, it's so good. When they cracked down, yeah,

414
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:38.119
they they backed off of that.
And I mean a lot of a lot

415
00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:45.160
of people are are getting pushed into
commercial tears where they you know, were

416
00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:48.920
it was reinvent the cable is.
Yeah, it's basically the same thing.

417
00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:52.839
Yeah, it's like YouTube TV.
Yeah, I got like seventeen subscriptions.

418
00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:56.359
Now, like this is not any
cheaper. Yeah, yeah, I know.

419
00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:57.960
But then you bring up YouTube TV
because I was going to get it,

420
00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:00.400
but it's like eighty and then you're
like, fuck, that seems so

421
00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:04.119
intimidating. But it is everything.
Yeah, like it's everything besides obviously like

422
00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:07.720
Netflix. But you're like, shit, I get fucking movies, whatever the

423
00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:11.960
hell I want. I did read
writers. There's a little meme post.

424
00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:18.319
We were talking about sports being the
only issue with these subscriptions. The content

425
00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:22.559
of big contracts up with ESPN and
TNT with basketball, so they're they're talking

426
00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:26.640
about adding two new ones and Amazon
Prime is one of the leaders. Yeah,

427
00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:29.960
and the Actually I was listening to
something about that yesterday. There's there's

428
00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:33.000
some thought that T and T is
gonna get a little piece of it because

429
00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:38.599
they're they have the ability to threaten
legal action over losing the whole thing,

430
00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:44.599
So it may end up being in
four pieces, like three big cass and

431
00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:56.039
then one little one for interesting,
little consolation prize for TNT interesting. Yeah,

432
00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:59.759
who knows. It wasn't a I
just fixed all that. Why is

433
00:27:59.799 --> 00:28:03.000
it all not just in like the
same spot. Well, there's plenty of

434
00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:07.720
places you can find live sports.
What do you got? Do you got,

435
00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:11.200
mister hacker? Yeah, see I
knew was watching, but yeah,

436
00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:15.079
I've seen all the UFC's recently,
and we got a big one this weekend.

437
00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:18.559
There was one that was so good
recently that I almost felt bad for

438
00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:21.640
three hundred illegally streaming it. Yeah
it was three hundred. I should have

439
00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:23.680
paid for that. Yeah three hundred. You saw send some money just like

440
00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:27.599
throw a twenty and yeah, novel
open, thank you, Yeah three hundred.

441
00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:30.559
Don't give him your credit card number. But you know, I think

442
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:34.200
this weekend is a big one too. We got to Islam versus. Yeah,

443
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:38.559
that's gonna be bigod one. Yeah, and then uh and then McGregor,

444
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:41.279
No, no, that's not this
one. No, no, next

445
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:45.960
one after that, I mean like
then then that's like twenty eighth. Yeah.

446
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:48.640
I was looking at tickets, dude, fucking nose bleeders, like thirty

447
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:53.960
five hundred. Yeah. I was
in Vegas, uh when he fought years

448
00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:57.519
ago, and I couldn't get across
the hotel. People kept thinking I was

449
00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:03.960
got to McGregor, like one hundred
pounds figure not anymore. Yeah, that's

450
00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:07.240
true, he's thinking now dude,
he's doing something huge. Yeah, I

451
00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:10.319
wonder if he's pulling I don't know
if he followed boxing at all. Yeah,

452
00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:14.279
but I wonder if he's pulling a
Ryan, Like Ryan went crazy and

453
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:18.640
then came in in shape and it
was all like a pr scheme. Because

454
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:22.240
now like there's videos of McGregor and
the club and there's uh, they're like,

455
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:26.000
oh, he's filming a movie,
he's making a new alcohol he's doing

456
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:29.319
this in that roadhouse. I think
if you do enough blow, you can

457
00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:33.079
train more often. That's tree figure. Yeah, and he obviously did steroids

458
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:37.440
at some point. I don't know
when that testing gets eliminated, but because

459
00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:38.960
then like, uh, yeah,
I wonder if he's fucking with the Vegas

460
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:42.880
odds because supposed to Ryan Garcia kind
of did that and then made like twelve

461
00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:48.359
mil just on betting on himself.
Yeah. Yeah, I was a big

462
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:49.680
fan of the guy for a long
time. And McGregor. Yeah, yeah,

463
00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:52.720
I never, I never I liked
I like watching him, Yeah,

464
00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:56.759
but there's something I just never When
he first came out, his story was

465
00:29:56.799 --> 00:30:00.079
so cool. He's like a plumber
on government assistance and like he like came

466
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:03.240
from the bottom and came out of
nowhere and his fucking but then he turned

467
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:07.039
out to be a g asshole and
maybe that part of that was the notoriety

468
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:08.200
and the fame. I maybe part
of that was who he already was.

469
00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:11.880
But uh, yeah he fell off
quick. Yeah, Dana kind of found

470
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:15.480
him in Ireland. Yeah, and
like the scrub leagues. Yeah, yeah,

471
00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:19.880
yeah, it was. It was
a cool story. Yeah. Yes,

472
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:26.000
I've just never actually think he deserves
the rose for his ship talk.

473
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:27.920
I don't think it's that good.
What I noticed is, like you would

474
00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:33.880
watch him, especially like it's like
jose Aldo, is that it was at

475
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:36.880
least in the beginning. I think
it consumed him. But I think in

476
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:41.079
the beginning it was he was using
it so effectively as a tool, because

477
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:45.319
up until the moment of the fight, he would be so livid and talking

478
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:48.759
so much shit, and then the
fight comes out and he's calm as fun

479
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:53.079
and his opponent was pissed. All
that comes out pissed, and Connor's completely

480
00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:56.920
calm because he was using it as
a tool. He's so far and then

481
00:30:57.039 --> 00:31:00.759
is able to pull it back that
that person's ing out of a place of

482
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:03.680
emotion he's not, And that's an
immediate advantage. Yeah, then I think

483
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:07.960
that that personality over you know,
it overcame who he was as a person

484
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:10.599
and just he lost that. I
just feel like it wasn't that witty.

485
00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:12.759
And everyone's like comparing with Muhammad Ali
and shit. But if like you can

486
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:18.359
watch Muhammad Ali interview like he has
like live newscasters, and back then newscasters

487
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:21.880
was like a legitimate job, you
know, like you had a skill of

488
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:25.519
interviewing, and they're like breaking character, cracking up laughing at him. You

489
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:27.640
know, like no one's really laughing
at McGregor, like he just says outrageous

490
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:30.759
shit. And you're right, he
didn't manipulate it. Well. He played

491
00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:33.319
the game right, he was.
He was a good gamer, but he

492
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:36.799
didn't necessarily like I just don't think
he's that smart, you know, he's

493
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:40.799
not that funny. Yeah, and
everyone just because no one in the UFC

494
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:45.079
did that. A lot of the
guys they had like real martial arts backgrounds,

495
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.039
so they're all polite and humble.
Yeah, you know, which was

496
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:49.319
cool too. That's kind of like
fun on the jiu jitsu side. I

497
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:52.640
don't know if you follow that at
all, but like some of the new

498
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:55.519
cats in jiu jitsu got a little
attitude to him, you know, and

499
00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:57.279
so like that, like they're still
humble dudes, you know, they're not

500
00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:00.480
just gonna like I've hung out with
some of them, Like they're not just

501
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:04.480
going to beat me up. But
they can still bring a gamemanship to kind

502
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:08.319
of like this traditionally humble activity,
right, I mean, just like anything

503
00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:12.480
else, like you can't really get
where you're going on just your talent.

504
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:16.000
You need to have that personality that
demands attention. And I mean that's why

505
00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:21.839
you see fighters get more shared than
they probably deserve on their skills, because

506
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:24.480
they're entertaining, they're fun to watch
in the press conferences and that kind of

507
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:27.160
thing. I mean, it's a
huge part of it. Now. Yeah,

508
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.839
I do wonder how that will advance, perhaps with the Powerlifting America meet

509
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:37.640
with the UFC. You know,
like if Dana's is genius as he was

510
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:42.640
with like power slap, which wasn't
a sport, made it a sport,

511
00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:49.279
used it as a social media marketing
tool to funnel to the UFC, and

512
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:52.759
he finds a way to even think
powerlifting has one percent of that and takes

513
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:57.599
advantage of it. We could be
on a ride. We could be on

514
00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:01.200
a ride. Yeah, wait,
did something right? I think that's it.

515
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:04.279
I mean, it's got to be
Dana White. He's the only one

516
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:07.960
that understands like niche shit and making
it cool because you grow up you watch

517
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:10.440
a strong Man on ESPN, Yeah, and like it. It would be

518
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:14.279
very cool to see it at that
level. And I understand fundamentally that it's

519
00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:16.440
so much cooler to watch someone pick
a car up yeah than it is.

520
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:21.319
You know, what's the difference between
someone watching watching someone squad five hundred and

521
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:24.720
eight hundred, especially on calibrated plates, it look that different or camera yeah?

522
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:28.559
Yeah, but these guys doing a
fingle finger. He's moving a telephone

523
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:31.400
pole. Yeah, Like that's awesome
to play Devil's advocate. Though, I

524
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:36.559
would never think that power slap would
go as viral, right, rather than

525
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:39.200
like Aldo kicking you in the head
and knocking you out right, doing a

526
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:45.559
fucking jumping off the cage, flying
whatever is a way cooler highlight than you

527
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:49.079
sitting there biting your jaw as I
slap you. I couldn't figure that out,

528
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:52.680
but people love it. I think
it's because anybody can slap anybody,

529
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:55.400
but now anybody can kick somebody in
the head, so they sort of put

530
00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:59.240
themselves into it more. It's like, man, I let that smack that

531
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:02.599
shit out of that maybe and maybe
maybe that's the powerlifting thing then, right,

532
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:06.319
so you're not a six' eight, four hundred pound dude, and

533
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:08.039
maybe they find a way to market
it like oh, this is like just

534
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:12.119
attainable enough. But I do think
it's a move. I mean, they

535
00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:15.960
got the TV contract in place at
least IPF does. They got the UFC

536
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:19.119
met in place, They got the
World Games in place for the first raw

537
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:22.599
powerlifting like the next two years.
If powerlifter can't make it do something with

538
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:27.599
it in the next two years,
we're probably done and done in terms of

539
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:31.599
being cool being big like everyone wants
for some reason. I don't give a

540
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:35.440
fuck if we're big, you know, like you'd need some kind of money

541
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:38.519
trickling through. But it doesn't have
to be the NBA, you know.

542
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:43.840
Yeah, I mean it'd be great
to see eliot athletes making money here.

543
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:49.440
And you know, you look at
people like Blaine, like he's one of

544
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:52.559
the best powerlifters when he was doing
it, and he was coaching and he's

545
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:54.719
programming, and then he's a full
time engineer because he just there's not enough

546
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:58.320
money here to make a living off
of it. It's hard. Yeah,

547
00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:00.400
But then you make that argument with
the uf right, Like the UFC over

548
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:02.800
the last four years, it's been
big, but over the last four years

549
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:07.880
as fucking exploded. And if you're
if you're a you know, ESPN plus

550
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:13.400
fight, you're going fifteen g's and
you can only fight twice a year,

551
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:15.239
three times a year. Not a
lot of money, right, Ten percents

552
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:19.159
to manager, ten percents to your
coach who just coached you for free,

553
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:22.239
five percents to your masseuse because she
rubbed you for free. You know,

554
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:24.199
now you made fucking thirty grand in
a year, Like, it's hard.

555
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:29.599
No sponsorship. The number of stories
of like contracted fighters who are like living

556
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:31.480
out of their car is it's wild. Yeah, I can't believe that that

557
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:38.719
continues. I just knew it early
because your Eyah's first like mainstay was kind

558
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:42.840
of where I grew up and he
ended up actually being my landlord at the

559
00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:46.880
first gym I ever opened, and
I knew we bought rentals around this is

560
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:50.920
probably two thousand and eight, two
nine WEC. It's not even UFC,

561
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:54.360
and he would buy houses as a
real estate investment. But then sometimes you

562
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:58.880
just have like promising fighters stay there
for free. So you started he started

563
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:01.519
like I think it was pre Ultimate
Fighter, and he basically ran his own,

564
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:04.159
you know, like, hey,
if you're good and you work hard,

565
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:06.320
yeah, you could like live here
for free, like sponsorships, you

566
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:09.679
know, And that's sad, but
probably the only way to do it.

567
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:13.800
And yeah, it's still current it's
a current day deal until they get a

568
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:16.920
player's union or figure some shit out, right, So that's why I'll run

569
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:20.159
in the boxing as seems to get
successful. Dude. Yeah, I was

570
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:22.960
watching a you know, they have
a timeline of they deal with music a

571
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:25.840
lot, like who's the most selling
artist or whatever. They have the timeline

572
00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:31.960
of eighties and nineties highest paid athletes
in the world, and eighty percent of

573
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:37.800
it the entire time was boxing the
entire time, Like Michael Jordan stuck up

574
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:40.440
to the top for a sec making
like thirty a year, and then like

575
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:45.000
Shack snuck in because early in his
career did movies and music probably you know,

576
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:47.920
because the NBA is not paying thirty
mil per year in the nineties,

577
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:53.400
and then the rest is all like
Holy Field Buster, Douglass, like names

578
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:57.360
that a casual boxer with a casual
fan wouldn't even know, you know,

579
00:36:57.400 --> 00:36:59.280
and you're like, fuck, dude, they're all just crushing it. And

580
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:02.840
then philmon sneaks in finally Golf maybe
a tennis player snuck in. I don't

581
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:08.280
even think they did. Yeah,
it's insane just talking about the explosion of

582
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:15.559
of the UFC. In twenty twenty
two, they had a record annual revenue

583
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:25.639
of one point three billion, but
in two thousand and five it was under

584
00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:30.000
one hundred million. Yeah, yeah, I believe it, and it,

585
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:36.800
I mean literally doubled from from two
thousand and nine to twenty fifteen, went

586
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:42.400
from three hundred million to six hundred
million in that period of time. It's

587
00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:45.679
wild. What was that, gsp
I guess, I don't know what that

588
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:51.760
effect was. That's a good question. I don't see it annotated by Jones

589
00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:55.960
and gsp I guess. Yeah,
likely those kind of the beginning of bones

590
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:00.320
and the lightweight cats. It was
the I'm Gonna cruise your eye era in

591
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:04.960
like twenty fourteen fifteen. I guess
what they did when they bought the WC.

592
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:08.320
That's Steven Bonner, Forrest Griffin finally
that was huge and a lot of

593
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:15.800
people turning in at that time for
scene. Yeah, I don't know.

594
00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:21.960
Sponsorship revenue was one hundred and ninety
six million. That seems low, but

595
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:29.840
that was a eighteen increase year over
year. I mean, I mean,

596
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:32.719
now they got sponsorships all over that
fucking ring. They got like, what

597
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:37.719
is it an octagon? So eight
sides? They probably got thirty two plus

598
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:40.599
fucking they do well. There's one
going crossbar, there's one vertical bar,

599
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:45.159
and someone were the same shit like
I think there's monster in prime energy.

600
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:46.719
I'm like, they just don't give
a fuck what energy drink you drinking in

601
00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:50.679
your money? Yeah? And then
it's layered all the way into the ring

602
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:54.079
with one question is your money green? Yeah? It's a fucking mosaic of

603
00:38:54.760 --> 00:39:00.000
printed sponsors on that proper irish whiskey, and you have Dana's like howling monkey

604
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:05.679
yeah yeah, and then a happy
dad right next to it, happy dad,

605
00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:08.199
and they're going crazy too. I
do wonder. I wonder if it

606
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:12.920
is a promotion deal and why they
haven't looked at because I've thought about it

607
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:15.639
for powerlifting. I sat it back
in the day for like content creation that

608
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:19.880
we should have, and I just
didn't care enough or wasn't big enough to

609
00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:22.280
like run at myself. But some
kind of players. And I'm not a

610
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:25.920
pro union guy by any means per
se. I think there's good and bad

611
00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:30.840
there. Not to dive into politics, but like there needed to be a

612
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:32.639
union because people were taking advantage of
shit. Yeah, you know, and

613
00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:37.800
so like two like eighteen year olds
just got a following and they're just taking

614
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:40.079
all this shit for free, where
me and my buddies are trying to make

615
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:44.360
a living off of it. And
then they're devaluing what we're doing. And

616
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:46.440
that's kind of what the UFC is. There's such hungry athletes that want to

617
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:50.039
get to the UFC because it's the
only spot for them. They're like,

618
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:52.199
fuck it, yeah, I'll fight
for ten k. Meanwhile, you know,

619
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:54.480
you're trying to do it, and
you got three kids to feed,

620
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:57.880
and you're just as hungry as me. You're like, well, I can't

621
00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:00.559
do it for ten k. We're
gonna go starving, you know. And

622
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:04.360
and like you said, in boxing, you are the promoter or you're signing

623
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:07.880
with a promoter, and they're the
ones making the big money because you're kind

624
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:09.639
of an independent show in a way
like that, no one cares about the

625
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:14.119
league, you know, it's about
the athlete and it's where the athlete goes.

626
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:16.840
But I think everybody should be in
union. Everybody should unionize. Yeah,

627
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:21.800
I mean in instance like this,
it screams why, you know,

628
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:28.800
it really does scream why. And
yeah, you know, powerlifting might be

629
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:34.719
that same situation, right, like
who needs athletes more Powerlifting America or the

630
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:37.880
athletes? Like powerlifting America needs the
athletes. They don't need Powerlifting America.

631
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:42.280
They can go to the USAPL just
the same. They can go if all

632
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:45.639
the top guys decided like now the
USBA is cool again, they could go

633
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:47.440
there, Like it doesn't really matter, right, They just need a barbell

634
00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:52.440
and for the world to kind of
think that those lifts are legit. That's

635
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:55.039
all that they need. You know. They bring that, They bring the

636
00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:59.480
sauce where you could argue the opposite
for something like the NBA and stuff.

637
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:02.440
At this point, right, the
UFC like they can make a celebrity out

638
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:07.199
of somebody. Yeah, you know
they they Yeah, the car's definitely before

639
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:08.320
the horse and a lot of this
stuff here. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

640
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:10.800
And that's kind of the issue that
I don't think the people understand.

641
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:14.920
And then you know they're not all
friends or they don't talk about it,

642
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:17.719
yeah, and they don't kind of
push it up themselves. But for us

643
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:22.079
to even like get somewhere like that, because I agree, like you gotta

644
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:25.000
lift like a pro lifter, like
you're a strong dude, Like you're you're

645
00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:29.159
worried about your meals. You're not. You're worried about missing sessions, you're

646
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:32.199
worried about your sleep, like you
train like a pro. But it's it's

647
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:36.559
gonna be tough. It's gonna be
fucking tough because then the views matter.

648
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:38.639
And for a long time you were
shamed on that. At least I was,

649
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:40.760
you know, like, oh,
you're trying to get views. Yeah,

650
00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:44.320
bitch, I'm trying to get fucking
views. What do you think this

651
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:45.960
game is? But but you talk
about it in terms of monopoly, I'm

652
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:50.119
buying hotels. But they do They
didn't understand it, you know, they're

653
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:52.320
like, oh, you're don't even
like love lifting. You're just doing it

654
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:54.159
for this and that clout lift or
this clout lifter that. But like,

655
00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:59.599
okay, go get someone to sponsor
you and get a hundred views on your

656
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:01.599
world record squad. Yeah, no
one, No one's going to care.

657
00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:06.800
Yeah. If I could find a
way to not have to work full time

658
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:08.239
and only live full time, right, I'll sell out. I don't care.

659
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:10.159
Yeah, you know, like,
fuck it, dude, give me

660
00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:15.400
those crickets. I'll give me those
crickets, you know. Yeah it is.

661
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:19.239
Yeah, you got to be entertaining. That's the only real way nobody

662
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:22.559
wants to watch you. Fucking Yeah. Here's here's six hundred by five,

663
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:24.159
here's six o five by Nobody cares. They want to see the kids.

664
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:28.079
They want you know, you have
something right, some sauce, right.

665
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:34.039
So that sort of leads to this
question, like what numbers are you chasing?

666
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:38.119
Personally? What are you trying to
get? I mean, I think

667
00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:44.440
that right now, I just turned
thirty eight. My short term, long

668
00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:53.719
term goal is hitting IPF Masters when
I turned forty and trying to get to

669
00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:59.280
IPF Worlds Dope, which is gonna
be tough. I mean, I have

670
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:04.920
my plans in the next year to
move to Northern Ireland, which, no,

671
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:08.360
you really are a McGregor fan,
so like that makes that easier because

672
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:14.079
obviously getting too just a national to
represent your country is difficult. A lot

673
00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:15.679
easier from a smaller country like the
Northern Ireland. But you're still in a

674
00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:19.639
conversation. It just happened last week
or the week before when I was watching

675
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:22.239
a lot of the one hundred and
one to ten guys, Like they're not

676
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:24.000
crushing you. Yeah, that's what
I'm saying. Like you're in the master's

677
00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:27.840
numbers. You're in, and they're
not that crazy. Yeah, you're in,

678
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:30.920
right, Like I had two years
of work, I think that we're

679
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:34.159
there, you know, And it's
just it's a matter of staying healthy and

680
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:37.239
staying focused. And you know,
a couple of years ago, I had

681
00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:43.199
like a long running back injury after
a nas power or during the setup for

682
00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:45.400
a NASS Power meet, and it
kind of took me out of the game

683
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:50.800
for a bit and actually blowing up
my arm kind of ReLit the fire under

684
00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:52.119
me a little bit. And so
now that's that's my goal. Is my

685
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:57.280
coach and I talking about you know, two years out. You know,

686
00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:00.599
IPF Worlds might even be a year
because I think you can heat the year

687
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:05.840
you're about to turn forty. Okay
kind of deal. Okay, so that

688
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:08.679
makes sense, like Bart Bart anytime
in twenty thirty six. Yeah, Bart

689
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:15.559
turns forty in November this year.
But I think technically if he would have

690
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:19.000
gone to Worlds it would have been
forty was forty, but he would compete

691
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:21.320
it as a forty plus. Yeah, but it was the same year,

692
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:23.960
So obviously it depends on where your
birthday is. But he he definitely called

693
00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:28.800
at thirty nine for them at forty
plus, which is whatever M one or

694
00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:30.880
whatever the fuck they call it.
It's wild because like the drop off is

695
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:35.920
severe. Like when I the first
time I competed as a submaster, you

696
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:38.760
know, I was like, these
numbers are I don't want to say embarrassing.

697
00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:45.559
Yeah, yeah, but the difference
between the hundred kilo tested open versus

698
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:49.239
the hundred kilow tested submaster, I
was like, that should not be a

699
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:52.039
national record. Yeah. I think
there's a couple things that come to mind.

700
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:57.280
One, I think powerlifting used to
not even like care about masters.

701
00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:00.000
It wasn't like a thing. Yeah, because you'd like Dave Rix is an

702
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:02.119
example. I don't know if you
know that name, but like Dave one

703
00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:07.079
world's year, Like he's the fucking
Ronnie Coleman of power of him. Like

704
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:10.239
he probably eight years in a row
for all I know, into his late

705
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:14.599
forties as an open guy. Yeah, so like he probably didn't even care

706
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:17.719
for those numbers. And then two, I would say that the sport's grown

707
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:21.840
so much on the next gen,
like the group just after you and I,

708
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:23.920
you know, so maybe those guys
just aren't there yet. I also

709
00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:28.679
think that you watch people train and
it's not set up for longevity. Yeah,

710
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:31.360
you know. And the thing that
I noticed a lot is that it

711
00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:35.920
come like when you look at watch
people deload, People deload when they need

712
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:37.320
a deload. And I think you
got to start looking at that, is

713
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:40.880
you got to deload before you need
it because people are you know, and

714
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:44.400
I see people it's the same thing. And it's a philosophy that I didn't

715
00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:46.480
really have until I started working with
my new coach. It's that there's a

716
00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:51.760
finite number of one rep maxes you
have in your body, and people are

717
00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:54.519
blowing that up. Yeah. Yeah, they're shooting for that like twenty times

718
00:45:54.519 --> 00:45:58.000
a year. Yeah, and there's
someone out there that can handle that,

719
00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:00.400
oh sure, Yeah, but there's
no way of telling whether you can handle

720
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:04.400
that or not until you're already busted. Right, It's that's the issue.

721
00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:06.960
Yeah, Yeah, we got no
crystal ball, and so now like I

722
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:10.360
don't do one rep max not off
platform, like and that that was a

723
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:13.800
huge leap of faith for me because
I was the kind of lifter where like

724
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:15.400
I need to know that I can
hit it in training before I even think

725
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:19.320
about doing it on the platform.
And now it's like I have to just

726
00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:21.400
And the first meet was such a
mind trip for me because I'm like,

727
00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:23.880
I'm heading into this third attempt.
I don't know if it's there, right,

728
00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:27.119
And it was there and there was
more there than I thought. But

729
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:30.960
you know, it's such a leap
of faith, and like just hitting set

730
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:34.639
to two or three and then just
knowing that that that's there on the meat.

731
00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:37.679
It was a big change. But
you know, I'm getting older.

732
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:39.559
I got to look at longevity and
doing this for as long as I can,

733
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:43.119
and you know, that's that's where
I came from. You know,

734
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:45.519
I was talking to sub about sabotic
cause I'm helping them get to a bench

735
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:49.840
pr And the commonality now is actually, yeah, exact opposite of what you

736
00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:53.159
said, because not only did like
Bulgarian style training like seep its way into

737
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:59.199
powerlifting over the last eight years,
which is really high intensity lower volume stuff.

738
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:01.679
I'm kind of mixed with Russian stuff, which is, you know,

739
00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:06.840
what was the basis of Conjuga west
Side, but now just with less variations.

740
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:09.679
The other thing people are looking at
it because I think they do want

741
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:14.239
to elevate the sport, which I
agree with is consistency. So they're trying

742
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:19.719
to hit whatever they're going to hit
on the platform three weeks in a row

743
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:22.639
to know it's there, right,
you know, you don't want to go

744
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:27.000
into a sprinting race. And I
understand it. It's not built for longevity

745
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:31.119
for sure, but it is built
for stability and consistency of numbers. But

746
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:35.920
again, how many people have done
it? Yeah, ten years? And

747
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:39.199
besides, like maybe Elaine Norton,
I can't really think of folks like Mike

748
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:45.480
to Sheer just competed at at Masters
Gnats in Gear, I think a single

749
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:49.199
ply. Besides, like folks like
that, there's just not a lot of

750
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:51.840
people that have done it. And
even Mike, I know he's trained the

751
00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:53.519
whole time, but he like took
years off to chill, you know.

752
00:47:54.920 --> 00:48:00.039
So it is it is an interesting
and crazy take. Russ just tweeted it

753
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:01.239
and it started the conversation. I
don't know why. I don't know if

754
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:05.360
someone big just got injured or something, or maybe it just popped in his

755
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:10.280
head. But he was pulling people
on like Twitter and shit whether staying injury

756
00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:15.760
free is a skill, and I
just always like I bash and rust of

757
00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:19.159
my boys. I'm not bashing him
per se, but I always like just

758
00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:23.880
bash the skill versus like genetic conversation
to begin with, because obviously no one

759
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:28.159
ever wants to tip a hat at
their genetics and always wants to tip a

760
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:34.039
hat to my hard work and my
skill and this and that, and so

761
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:37.320
I don't know if it's a skill
because of the concept we just said,

762
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:40.400
like I may have one hundred one
rep maxes in a year in my body,

763
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:44.559
but I don't know until I try
it, And then you don't know

764
00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:46.960
that you don't have it till you
try it, like there's no rhyme or

765
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:51.360
reason, and then if you let
off the gas too much, you just

766
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:53.119
get weak, you know. So
like I don't know if it's a skill

767
00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:57.000
per se. I think there's no
in your body and there's not being an

768
00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:00.719
idiot, But I don't know if
there's like a dialed in way skill that

769
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:05.480
I can just prevent injuries. Otherwise
if that was the case, I'd be

770
00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:09.280
a trillionaire because every pro team on
the planet would hire me, you know,

771
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:13.800
and like that's even our buddy Ramsey
Nigem would just stop by the other

772
00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:15.280
days probably in my opinion, the
best strength coach on the planet, one

773
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:22.159
of the smartest mines in the field. pH d under Brad Schoenfeld Masters under

774
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:28.920
Andy Gallpin, youngest NBA strength and
conditioning coach I think in history. Uh,

775
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:31.199
and he even like even I don't
know if he personally changed the phrase,

776
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:34.679
but he's made it popular, like
change the phrase like we don't do

777
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:38.760
like injury prevention, Like there's no
such thing, you know. Like and

778
00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:42.199
I was like, oh, I'm
phone rolling or I'm doing these you know,

779
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:45.039
fucking what are they called the helicopters
or whatever the fuck? Now that's

780
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:47.800
when you twitch your dick. What's
it? An airplane? Airplane? I'm

781
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:51.760
doing an airplane. I'm doing a
hip airplane. And you can do both

782
00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:53.599
at the same time. You may
prevent many injuries. It'll put you on

783
00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:58.639
magic mic. Yeah, we're doing
airplanes before every fucking work out, and

784
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:02.760
I'm preventing injuries like na Man you're
just like warming up, like like that's

785
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:07.639
good. Like prehabilitation, I guess
is an okay word, But injury prevention

786
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:12.480
is just like not a thing,
especially since so much of it is is

787
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:15.599
really not the injury that happens in
the moment. Is the injury you've been

788
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:20.119
causing that you're finally you know,
that straw that breaks the cables back.

789
00:50:20.199 --> 00:50:23.760
Yeah, which you can't really like
put a ed Khane agrees with you on

790
00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:27.400
the there are only so many prs. There are only so many, you

791
00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:30.360
know. Yeah. I mean I
watch people and they watch them post their

792
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:34.400
training, and you know, they're
seventeen to ten days out and they're they're

793
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:37.320
testing their one rep max right right. I don't understand that at all.

794
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:40.360
I watched them on meat day and
they miss it. It was there on

795
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:44.880
their last training session and they missed
it up the platform. And I can't

796
00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:46.880
help but think if you held off
on that, that would have been there

797
00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:50.719
on your third But you put your
body through so much stress, it's such

798
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:52.960
a short period of time before before
you're competing, that it wasn't there anymore.

799
00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:57.440
Just sload management for powerlifting. Yeah, I told my injuries that happened

800
00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:00.000
outside of powerlifting, except I had
one out of the injury, and it

801
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:05.239
was putting on an east leeve that
was too tight and I slipped and yeah,

802
00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:07.159
yeah, oh yeah it would never
like I think that, yeah,

803
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:13.119
yeah, very very self aware and
knowing your limits and this whole like,

804
00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:16.679
you know, there's a difference between
no pain, no gain and like something's

805
00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:20.880
wrong that I need to get addressed. It is hard because like, and

806
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:22.079
I sound like the old cap but
like a lot of the new gen is

807
00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:24.719
just a bunch of pussies who've never
done anything hard, you know, So

808
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:29.679
like that's part of the issue too, because I hate that argument also,

809
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:31.840
and I hate the like, yeah, the fuck you lift harder, guy,

810
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:35.800
but a lot of guys do just
need to train harder because like,

811
00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:37.800
uh, there was a meme.
I think I was talking to you and

812
00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:40.760
Lows there's a meme going around and
like or maybe Kyle, like how embarrassing

813
00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:45.800
is our sport where one of the
lead like coaching messages over the last six

814
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:51.079
months trend is like, yeah,
you should like do your accessories, Like

815
00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:54.760
that's that's what a pussified fucking sport
we got that, like one of the

816
00:51:54.880 --> 00:52:00.159
lead messages that momentum message is that
you should do like your work, You

817
00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:02.360
should do all your you should do
the normal ship if you can, if

818
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:05.920
you got it in, you like
work hard on those accessories. Like what

819
00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:10.000
the fuck kind of conversations are we
having with these people? Is absolutely insane

820
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:19.880
to me, But you're like,
I agree, and what I what I

821
00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:25.880
coach often instead of taking away like
heavy lifting, especially if people enjoy it

822
00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:31.159
or they need that confidence on the
platform is monitoring, Like arousal is what

823
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:36.360
the coaches uses the term. But
say say I can have you maxalt.

824
00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:45.280
Yeah, yeah, it's important.
Uh veggie burrito arousal one Rep maxis Uh.

825
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:50.360
So you hit that same like heavy
single, but you're not bashing your

826
00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:52.920
head against the wall, turning on
your favorite Metallica song hitting Ammonia baby powdered

827
00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:59.159
up screaming against having your out of
bed, Like dude, that's you're past

828
00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:02.719
the age that it's I gotta you
do that. And you hit five hundred.

829
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:07.119
So then now when the meat comes, which is actually below what your

830
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:09.440
body's probably capable of, because you're
not you're coming in zen. You're coming

831
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:13.400
in like a normal golf rep.
Tiger Wood's got to hit a bomb to

832
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:16.920
win the game. You know part
five, he's not smacking ammonia, like

833
00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:21.360
he's focusing in and just you know, doing his thing. So then now

834
00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:22.760
when you get to the meat,
you're gonna have a little bit of nerves

835
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:25.519
that are gonna fire you up.
Now you can turn on your favorite Metallica

836
00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:29.199
song. Now you can you know, hit a little ammonia if you need

837
00:53:29.239 --> 00:53:31.840
to on your third attempt. But
the same thing with first and second attempts,

838
00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:35.840
I would say too, like those
should be things that you're pretty fucking

839
00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:38.159
confident in that you don't need to
bash your head againsts and again, bashing

840
00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:40.440
your head against the wall if you're
fun, if that's part of the fun

841
00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:45.679
of this. While I'm talking about
how to like optimize your lifting, which

842
00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:46.840
isn't always the same because a lot
of people just want to have fun,

843
00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:50.440
Go have fun. What do I
give a shit? But if you're trying

844
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:53.639
to really tap these things in,
it's just another aspect of training that we

845
00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:59.239
can use to manage that fatigue.
Right, And that's where like a conjugate

846
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:02.960
west side gets a little skewed,
It gets a little skewed if you're going

847
00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:07.639
fucking bashing your head against the wall, and some new exercise and crushing your

848
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:10.360
one rep max every single time.
You know, Louis told me to hit

849
00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:14.880
a PR every session because it's a
new exercise. So I'm fucking passing my

850
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:16.119
head against the wall to hit a
PR every session, you know, I

851
00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:22.760
read the books. Yeah, I
mean that's I mean the people at West

852
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:27.199
Side under Louis, like injuries were
like if somebody wasn't banged up, then

853
00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:30.039
there was something wrong, right,
Yeah, not working hard enough. Yeah,

854
00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:31.960
there's a balance there obviously, like
you got to push yourself, but

855
00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:37.360
we're not trying to get hurt.
Well in the Bulgarians, right, they've

856
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:40.480
made it popular in the seventies to
one rep max often. But we're talking

857
00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:45.400
about Olympic weightlifting, which is by
nature it's maximal. Different story altogether.

858
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:51.280
Yeah, whatever you're going to clean
and jerk, it's still like thirty percent

859
00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:54.960
less than what you could deadlift and
push press, you know. So it

860
00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:59.679
is just a totally different conversation when
we're talking about like ultimate strength and something

861
00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:01.800
like that. I just can't do
that. I'm not smart enough to do

862
00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:04.880
that stuff. Bro, It's hard. I watched people do that and I'm

863
00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:07.719
like, man, I do not
it's hard. I gave it a real

864
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:10.639
good go for about eight months.
I can't even deadlift. I'm like,

865
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:15.440
I can't think about anything, and
I'm like doing it, like okay,

866
00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:19.079
picture glass wall, Like dude,
I don't know. I could be like

867
00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:22.559
I barely got myself dressed today like
you want me to. I cannot do

868
00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:24.320
this. I just and especially on
a third attempt, Like I I'll watch

869
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:27.320
a playback of a third attempt.
I'm like, I don't, I don't

870
00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:30.559
remember this. Yeah, I was
in another place bolsy and red mode.

871
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:35.079
Yeah, as soon as that platform
ready, it's just lights out. I

872
00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:37.559
don't know what's going on. That's
probably good, though I felt like I

873
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:40.840
was blanking everything else. Yeah,
I've like missed like I've re racked early

874
00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:45.599
because I'm not thinking like I'm just
in it like I had, like it

875
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:50.599
was it some meeting USBA California State, I think, and I like had

876
00:55:50.639 --> 00:55:52.760
a pr squat and I look to
turn around the three red lights and I'm

877
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:55.440
like, what what That was a
perfect squad. And it's because I didn't

878
00:55:55.440 --> 00:56:00.800
wait for a rack of now too
stoked. Yeah, I was too hyped

879
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:04.119
up too much Metallica. Well,
I can't do this. I can't do

880
00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:07.000
this all. Yeah, it had
a dead list. I can kind of

881
00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:10.079
do it. That's about it.
Second meet, ever, like I had

882
00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:14.079
an old bottle of nose torque,
like it really had to get in there

883
00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:15.519
to get anything out of it.
Someone had a brand new one in the

884
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:17.679
same spot. Nice, And so
I go up for my third and I

885
00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:21.760
just rip on it and I can't
see. Yeah, you can't see here,

886
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:22.679
you know. I'm like, I
can't, like someone point me in

887
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:25.599
the direction of the platform. Ever
since then, I'm like a not for

888
00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:30.159
me, You're seeing God to run
it back. For a second. Why

889
00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:37.320
Northern Ireland. I have dual citizenship
with the UK, and so I can.

890
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:39.719
I can get in there pretty quickly, pretty easily. I was there

891
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:45.559
for I was in Ireland in twenty
nineteen for the IPL Worlds cool and I

892
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:50.400
have always wanted to live there,
and I was just realizing Belfast is incredible

893
00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:53.519
city. There's kind of a combination
there of it's Irish culture, but a

894
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:57.440
lot of the conveniences of being in
the UK, you know, which is

895
00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:02.519
it trains and transportation and anywhere.
It's like, uh, Greg's coffee shops

896
00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:06.719
and you know, pizza hut things
like that, like there's you know,

897
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:08.880
convenience touches convenience, but it's beautiful
there. I don't get sunburn going out

898
00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:14.480
to get the mail, little things
like that. They're back to the motherland.

899
00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:17.039
Yeah, it's the percentage one sixteen
because I think I might get mine.

900
00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:20.199
I think it's one sixteenth Irish.
I think that's all it is that

901
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:23.599
is. Yeah, yeah, I
think it's one eighth Italian. I uh,

902
00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:28.360
I think I think Ireland. I
think it has to be no further

903
00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:34.000
back than a grandparent born there.
Yeah, I was born in London's in

904
00:57:34.039 --> 00:57:35.800
the UK. One was I thought, Yeah, I thought maybe it was

905
00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:37.960
great grandparents. Also, like like
I was looking at like the places to

906
00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:44.400
live in Europe and Belfast for like
quality of life and cost is huge,

907
00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:47.079
and like Ireland's one of the most
expensive countries to live in in Europe at

908
00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:50.480
all right now, So it's like
Northern Land was like a sweet spot for

909
00:57:50.519 --> 00:57:53.639
everything interesting. Yeah, A lot
of the places that rank really high on

910
00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:57.639
that is fucked. You know.
You go to like like Netherlands or Sweeten

911
00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:00.239
or something and it's expensive as shit. Yeah, yeah, probably is nice

912
00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:04.840
to live And then the other thing
too, is like all those surveys always

913
00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:07.199
wonder me. I'm like, well, like, is it actually nice to

914
00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:12.320
live there? Or is the culture
of the people there so that you're satisfied

915
00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:15.920
in a happy, healthy human And
I'm not going to get that because I

916
00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:17.440
didn't grow up there for thirty years, you know what I mean. So

917
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:20.559
I go there and I'm like,
well, this place fucking sucks. But

918
00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:22.320
they're all happy because they just have
a better culture and a better brain than

919
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:25.159
I do, you know, like
they're just wired correctly. There's a show

920
00:58:25.159 --> 00:58:30.039
that Dwayne Dwight Dwight from the Office
Rain Wilson. Yeah, he did a

921
00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:32.960
show recently just goes to different countries
that are like rigged really high for happiness,

922
00:58:34.119 --> 00:58:36.440
tries to get to the root of
it. And he the first one

923
00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:40.079
he did was Iceland. I've been
to Iceland and I noticed the same thing.

924
00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:43.840
And one of the big things was
like you come out of high school

925
00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:45.159
as an Iceland high school student,
and they're like, Okay, do you

926
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:49.159
want to join the workforce, or
we'll give you money to become an artist,

927
00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:51.480
or we'll give you money to become
a musician. Yeah, Like,

928
00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:54.199
go be yourself and we'll pay for
it. That's cool and that's I think

929
00:58:54.199 --> 00:58:59.760
that's fantastic. So there's a lot
of like exciting and bad art music happening

930
00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:04.239
there. That's a random host because
they had something similar. We were talking

931
00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:07.000
about, uh, like diets around
the world and there's one with like was

932
00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:10.159
it blue zones? Green zones?
Yeah, like people were living the best

933
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:15.960
and how there's like almost no correlation
because ones like East LA. That's crazy.

934
00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:19.039
That San bernd Valley there's one of
those, is like on the top

935
00:59:19.079 --> 00:59:22.119
ten green zones. And have you've
ever been to Riverside San Burnard? Yeah,

936
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:27.440
it might not be sam Burndia.
There's somewhere, not Ontario, but

937
00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:30.639
somewhere in the Greater La areas on
that list, which blew my mind.

938
00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:37.519
Pomona maybe can't pump. It's one
of those little isolated buckets on the right.

939
00:59:37.639 --> 00:59:40.239
Yeah. Are you calling them blue
zones or green zone? I forgot

940
00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:44.840
what they're the blue zone, Yeah, I don't know what's green zone.

941
00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:49.280
It's gotta be something that's where all
the dispensaries are. Yeah, blue zones

942
00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:52.639
yeah, Yeah, that's up here, that's Norkell, Yeah, Northell's the

943
00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:59.079
green zone for sure. Yeah.
I think blue zones for those that don't

944
00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:04.039
know, is like a isolated area, city, town, or region that

945
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:09.920
has like least likelihood of cancer,
et cetera, et cetera, the longest,

946
01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:15.800
a average age to live, and
like physically just healthier. So I

947
01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:20.519
think it's mostly like cancers and things. Loma Linda, lond there I go.

948
01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:23.320
I just know it's a bucket over
there. So well, there are

949
01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:28.280
a lot of Seventh Day Adventists and
you know what, that's a vegetarian diet.

950
01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:39.159
Yeah, huge cocks on those biggest
Christian cocks stomping the planet. That

951
01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:45.920
makes sense that ship I'm converting.
Then they're her most of Beach, Manhattan

952
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:50.119
Beach and Redondo Beach. They're just
rich. Are trying to do a blue

953
01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:55.000
zone project where they make one.
Yeah, Beach Cities Health District. Yeah,

954
01:00:55.159 --> 01:00:59.519
I mean that makes sense. A
little sand, little sun you're walking

955
01:00:59.559 --> 01:01:04.679
around. Yeah, there were five
Blue zones in the world. Yeah,

956
01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:09.039
Okinawa, Japan, Yeah, Searginia, Italy, which pays you to move

957
01:01:09.079 --> 01:01:13.000
there right now, by the way, you should look at that one.

958
01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:19.000
Yea. I'm probably not saying this
right. Nicoya Costa, Rica, Akaria,

959
01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:22.920
Greece, and Loma Linda California.
Now it's crazy, right, Olympic

960
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:28.440
Yeah it was, Yeah, the
only one in the America's that's just crazy.

961
01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:31.559
I would never have guessed that.
I've only been the Republic of Ireland.

962
01:01:31.599 --> 01:01:35.599
I haven't been to Northern Ireland.
Yeah, it's cool. And when

963
01:01:35.639 --> 01:01:37.920
we did that, when did that
meet? I made a whole trip out

964
01:01:37.960 --> 01:01:40.760
of it. So we flew into
Dublin. We hired a car and that

965
01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:44.880
was exciting just because like it's right
hand drive, and they gave me a

966
01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:46.400
stick shift. Yeah, and then
they gave me about four hundred feet a

967
01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:49.480
road to just yeah, figure it
out. I don't think I could do

968
01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:51.840
it, is I've thought about it. By the end, I'm like eating

969
01:01:51.880 --> 01:01:54.559
it the same thuc I did it
with an automatic. I don't think I

970
01:01:54.559 --> 01:01:57.840
could do it with that. I
left hand, just I don't know which

971
01:01:57.880 --> 01:02:00.320
way do the gears even go?
They go to the left. Then one

972
01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:04.199
two is exactly the same, exact
same, So one's hell far away.

973
01:02:04.599 --> 01:02:06.760
Yeah, the first is all the
way over here. Yeah, I don't

974
01:02:06.760 --> 01:02:08.280
know. Yeah, why even do
it? I lost count of the number

975
01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:13.119
of times that I went with my
right hand and ran into the door trying

976
01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:15.920
to find the gearbox. Yeah,
yeah, it was good. And then

977
01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:20.119
we drove down. We did a
big loop. The meat was in Limerick

978
01:02:20.199 --> 01:02:22.119
and then we went up to Slago
and then we stayed in Belfast and came

979
01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:24.760
back down. But you know,
it was it was a lot of fun.

980
01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:28.199
And all they eat is potatoes.
It's it, So you're kind of

981
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:30.920
sat. I'm set. Actually,
it's crazy the anytime you're in Europe,

982
01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:35.440
the prevalence of vegan food anywhere you
go. I like, I'm in like

983
01:02:35.559 --> 01:02:38.239
small town, Ireland, like two
thousand people in this town and there's like

984
01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:42.880
three places I can eat. It's
crazy. I can go to like cities

985
01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:45.320
of one hundred thousand here in California
and there's just nothing. But yeah,

986
01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:46.400
I think all of Europe, like
you said, like even you know,

987
01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:51.199
the Mediterranean typical diet like he had
as fish and stuff involved, but like

988
01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:55.039
portion wise is a lot less than
it's just the typical America of vegans vegetarians

989
01:02:55.079 --> 01:02:59.280
much higher there too. Yeah,
so it makes it easier, like you

990
01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:01.239
to go to Bucks and like,
oh, here's like six different vegan options

991
01:03:01.559 --> 01:03:05.440
food, Like it's got to be
profitable, like they've got to be out

992
01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:07.800
there eating it. Yeah, otherwise
they wouldn't do it. And the companies

993
01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:10.800
launching, like you look at the
logistics of launching in a country the size

994
01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:15.639
of England with the population of California
versus you know, even just launches of

995
01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:20.159
the United States nationwide is insane.
What's involved in that? So you get

996
01:03:20.159 --> 01:03:22.760
it. There's so much easier to
launch stuff there. You can Krispy Kreme

997
01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:27.079
there has vegan donuts like KFC is
vegan stuff. Pizza Hut has vegan like

998
01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:30.559
all the pizza places, Domino's Pizza
Hut. Uh, what's that, John

999
01:03:30.599 --> 01:03:35.960
One? I'm a blanket on Popajize
they have they all vegan cheese. It's

1000
01:03:35.960 --> 01:03:39.639
crazy where we go that is crazy. I will say this as a sidebar,

1001
01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:43.360
however, that the best beef I've
ever eaten in my life was in

1002
01:03:43.400 --> 01:03:45.159
the Republic of Irel. Yeah.
I mean it's animal welfare there is pretty

1003
01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:51.679
good, like so so good and
everywhere, like even even like Hamburger was

1004
01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:54.599
different. Butter and the cheese,
I mean it's butter is it's still raising

1005
01:03:54.599 --> 01:04:00.760
animals outside, it's still raising animals
like in a more eco friendly and friendly

1006
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:05.360
I think that's everywhere besides us,
not factory farmed yeah, it's literally everywhere.

1007
01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:10.119
Like my family's all ranchers in Argentina
and they're all just cattle. Yeah,

1008
01:04:10.199 --> 01:04:12.920
and so they're just we own.
I don't even know how many acres

1009
01:04:12.920 --> 01:04:15.679
one hundred acres. Ninety nine percent
of meat in America comes for factory farms.

1010
01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:18.480
Yeah, yeah, it's not from
down there, different world. Yeah,

1011
01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:21.960
yeah, I don't know why either, really, and I don't.

1012
01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:25.280
We don't. We can't dive into
if you like, even though you said

1013
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:28.559
it wasn't your leading case for things, but like it's just we have yeah,

1014
01:04:28.599 --> 01:04:30.840
but we have so much land,
you know. Yeah, and like

1015
01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:33.079
it would create jobs if we stopped
using all random shit, right, because

1016
01:04:33.079 --> 01:04:35.519
we need more people to do shit. And yeah, the prices would probably

1017
01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:38.400
go up. Right. You have
to charge more for a steak because you

1018
01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:41.880
had one hundred people working on it
because you had them outdoors or whatever,

1019
01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:45.119
rather than one person working on them
because you have them stuffed than a cage.

1020
01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:48.920
The the largest use of American land
is to grow food to feed the

1021
01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:55.000
cattle. Yeah, that's wild just
rice, corn, yeah, corn and

1022
01:04:55.039 --> 01:04:58.320
soy and all this kind of stuff. But like the amount soy grows bitch,

1023
01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:01.400
hits. I heard that is it's
like just straight nipples. Yeah,

1024
01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:05.920
it's like the amount of meat that
we consume as the country requires the amount

1025
01:05:05.920 --> 01:05:10.199
of animals that we grow, it
requires like the fat ray farming becomes essential

1026
01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:13.000
because we don't have the space,
we don't have the ability to grow a

1027
01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:15.639
food for them and have them on
pasture land. It's like just the amount

1028
01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:19.679
that we're eating. And then we're
in like a calorie debt because everyone's so

1029
01:05:19.760 --> 01:05:25.920
fat that we have to like make
more food. Yeah, because they consume

1030
01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:30.159
more food than what they need.
Yeah, trillions of calorie debts everywhere with

1031
01:05:30.199 --> 01:05:35.320
all these fatties. That's literally the
truth because if everyone ate you, right,

1032
01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:39.280
if we just say everyone's healthy,
right, so they like get fat

1033
01:05:39.320 --> 01:05:42.280
at the level these people get fat, they're at least eating a thousand calories

1034
01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:45.159
more a day probably, right,
because these people aren't like chunky, they're

1035
01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:47.079
fat. Right, We have fat
people, you know, And maybe that

1036
01:05:47.199 --> 01:05:50.519
sounds mean, but it's just true. Like if no one's like coming at

1037
01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:53.960
you when you're twenty percent body fat
and say, hey, you know,

1038
01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:56.719
especially in America, maybe around the
world twenty percent is a little crazy,

1039
01:05:56.760 --> 01:06:00.320
but in America, twenty percent,
you're fucking you're a model, you're a

1040
01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:03.960
fucking skinny guy. And so you
do that, you decrease their calories,

1041
01:06:04.679 --> 01:06:11.000
then you probably cut farms in like
a third. Yeah, literally probably a

1042
01:06:11.039 --> 01:06:15.400
third, which is crazy. Yeah, and sure, some of it's like

1043
01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:18.400
snickers and other food is not all
just meat driven. But beef used to

1044
01:06:18.400 --> 01:06:23.079
be kind of like a special thing, right, Sure, people eat eat

1045
01:06:23.159 --> 01:06:26.320
beef on a rarity, and now
it's like a part of an every meal,

1046
01:06:26.440 --> 01:06:30.079
yeah, you know, or every
fast chain. Yeah. I mean

1047
01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:32.360
that's the bigger deal too, right, Like if it was like straight cooked

1048
01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:38.880
steak, it would be a much
different conversation than steak tendons in your whopper,

1049
01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:42.239
you know what I mean. Yeah, Like, just just the mass

1050
01:06:42.280 --> 01:06:46.639
production of everything just obviously ruins the
quality, but ruins the production itself again,

1051
01:06:46.679 --> 01:06:51.119
where like I don't know the environmental
stuff or the humanity stuff, but

1052
01:06:51.159 --> 01:06:56.079
I just guarantee, like Argentina,
for example, which is known for its

1053
01:06:56.079 --> 01:07:00.280
cattle, it's just probably way better
system for sure. Yeah. The more

1054
01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:01.320
you come out of you know,
the more you need to make profit off

1055
01:07:01.360 --> 01:07:05.199
of something, and at a faster
rate, the quality goes down. Obviously.

1056
01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:09.239
When talking about living things, the
the ethics of that goes down.

1057
01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:10.800
Yeah, for sure, you know. And it's like people like, oh,

1058
01:07:11.039 --> 01:07:13.840
what if you had, like,
you know, chickens lay eggs naturally,

1059
01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:16.480
I don't eat well. It's like
as soon as you commodify that and

1060
01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:19.440
need to make money off of that, then you know that's no longer like

1061
01:07:19.480 --> 01:07:21.880
a happy chicken like you know it, you'd be a little different. It

1062
01:07:21.960 --> 01:07:25.519
was in your backyard exactly. Yeah, I probably still wuldn't need it still

1063
01:07:25.519 --> 01:07:27.320
at this point, it's weird to
me, but sure, you know,

1064
01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:30.880
I think eggs and this is maybe
just a meat eater's take. I think

1065
01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:35.360
eating eggs is an odder thought process
than eating like a rabbi. I mean

1066
01:07:35.400 --> 01:07:39.719
you start like dairy, like it
is weird the more you think about it,

1067
01:07:39.800 --> 01:07:42.400
Yeah, eggs and dairy is it's
weird. It's weird. Yeah,

1068
01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:46.360
they say we're the only animal that
drinks other people's teats. Strange, right,

1069
01:07:46.440 --> 01:07:49.840
Yeah, And like, oh you
need it? Like how did my

1070
01:07:50.039 --> 01:07:55.800
body become like I, oh,
I need another animal's breast milk to survive?

1071
01:07:55.840 --> 01:07:58.079
That doesn't make anything. One that
arguments dump too, because half of

1072
01:07:58.199 --> 01:08:00.679
parents don't even give them their own
breast milk or can do it right,

1073
01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:04.239
Yeah, No, we're just like
formula Yeah, formula bench the titties that

1074
01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:09.159
don't even work in our world anymore. Dude, we really are losing one

1075
01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:13.280
veggie brito. I heard that.
Yeah that's true. I wonder, yeah,

1076
01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:16.680
I wonder if that'll make my wife
lack tape get her nips are hard

1077
01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:24.119
cutting diamonds. Speaking of this of
soy for a second here, there's so

1078
01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:30.159
so much reaction to anybody eating soy, like it's gonna maybe it's big nipples.

1079
01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:31.960
Yeah, and it's not the thing. It's just not a thing.

1080
01:08:32.279 --> 01:08:36.039
There was one guy who was drinking
like two gallons of swim milk a day

1081
01:08:36.760 --> 01:08:41.880
and he had the gun of a
cast mass. I was even saying that,

1082
01:08:41.960 --> 01:08:45.319
right, but that that one case
like just kicked off. Yeah,

1083
01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:48.359
you know, and I eat a
significant amount of soy. What about soy

1084
01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:53.079
boys? Yeah, that's the thing. Maybe maybe you just become a pussy.

1085
01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:59.920
Ah maybe I'm waiting for it.
I need a little more fit.

1086
01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:04.000
Yeah, it seems easier, you
know. Like now it's just uh,

1087
01:09:04.279 --> 01:09:09.399
you know, it's it's weird to
see diet politicized like that and like oh

1088
01:09:09.479 --> 01:09:12.119
this, you know, you know, it's just it's very weird. I

1089
01:09:12.119 --> 01:09:15.039
don't know where it comes from the
logics just backwards. Yeah, So they

1090
01:09:15.119 --> 01:09:20.840
say the idea that the phytoestrogens in
soy are impacting the estrogen levels in the

1091
01:09:20.920 --> 01:09:26.119
human body as wild. It's also
wild because ninety percent of steroids are made

1092
01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:30.319
from you know, isolated soy proteins
and and things like that, So spery

1093
01:09:30.359 --> 01:09:34.079
knowledgeable and steroids, sir, I
gotta go the uh. But in the

1094
01:09:34.119 --> 01:09:38.319
opposite they tried right with liver King, but everyone just knew it wasn't the

1095
01:09:38.359 --> 01:09:42.000
case. But he's like, eat
bowl testicles, grow my own testosterone.

1096
01:09:42.079 --> 01:09:44.800
You know, like none of that
works. It does not have an impact

1097
01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:47.840
on you. Yeah, eating eating
estrogen, especially phytoestrogen, eating you know,

1098
01:09:47.920 --> 01:09:50.960
testosterone from a bowl testicle, your
bowl of milk. It's not impacting

1099
01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:55.439
you the way you think it's right. He would needed to have those like

1100
01:09:55.640 --> 01:10:00.760
grafted onto his body, bolls,
bowl testicles, if he had those grafted

1101
01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:03.359
onto his body, and they can
if you had more testro testosterone he could

1102
01:10:03.399 --> 01:10:06.760
have. You know, he couldn't
even take testicles. He can even take

1103
01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:13.520
like fifteen kh like that. Dude's
got his own issues. It's just crazy.

1104
01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:16.239
Yeah, there's a big thing in
our space with Derek Poundstone. He

1105
01:10:16.359 --> 01:10:20.079
was sponsored by like soy itself,
I think, which is kind of cool

1106
01:10:20.560 --> 01:10:24.840
when you think about, right,
like you normally get like you would get

1107
01:10:24.840 --> 01:10:29.800
like a fair life sponsorship, but
to be sponsored by milk that Yeah.

1108
01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:32.800
I think he was literally sponsored by
like America soy or something, and I

1109
01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:35.880
think it was to combat that idea
where Derek Poundstone I believe, was a

1110
01:10:35.920 --> 01:10:42.159
police officer, pro pro bodybuilder,
a leaf close to or jacked strong man,

1111
01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:45.760
pro powerlifter, and so he's a
great figurehead for it. I don't

1112
01:10:45.760 --> 01:10:48.199
know if it helped their case at
all. Yeah, I mean it all

1113
01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:54.800
comes from this, like this modern
idea of masculinity of like you can't be

1114
01:10:54.920 --> 01:10:58.439
empathetic or soft about anything, true, and then if you do, you're

1115
01:10:58.439 --> 01:11:01.680
a fucking bitch. You're spitting facts
as soon as as soon as you are

1116
01:11:01.680 --> 01:11:06.000
eating soy or not eating animals,
that's seen as like a weakness, true

1117
01:11:06.199 --> 01:11:11.640
and daisy eater, yeah, fucking
pussy you know, eat a sunflower.

1118
01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:15.039
So that's where it comes from,
is that the whole soy boy thing is

1119
01:11:15.079 --> 01:11:16.920
like, oh, that guy cares
about other people or other living things.

1120
01:11:16.920 --> 01:11:21.560
But that guy cares what a fucking
bitch I do. Uh yeah. There

1121
01:11:21.600 --> 01:11:28.439
is like tons of relationships obviously between
estrogen and testosterone also, which go well

1122
01:11:28.479 --> 01:11:30.039
over people's heads, like you need
both, you need both. Yeah,

1123
01:11:30.119 --> 01:11:33.399
yeah, you can't just have toastos. You need estrogen your system and it's

1124
01:11:33.439 --> 01:11:38.720
not like catabolic per se. Right, Yeah, none of it really makes

1125
01:11:38.760 --> 01:11:41.920
sense. Well to flip that on
its side, I think that this is

1126
01:11:42.600 --> 01:11:45.880
fairly easy to say that the people
who are going carnivore, who are not

1127
01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:53.600
just assuming that it has health benefits, are doing it because it's so fucking

1128
01:11:53.680 --> 01:11:58.279
manly and they have doubts about their
own coins and insecurity and yeah, yeah,

1129
01:11:58.479 --> 01:12:00.199
it's one hundred percent insecurity. And
it's the same kind of reaction to

1130
01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:04.439
when, like, you know,
the government tried to control emissions on trucks

1131
01:12:04.439 --> 01:12:08.439
and so they went out and like
they made their trucks pollute more. It's

1132
01:12:08.479 --> 01:12:10.560
like, you're not gonna tell me
what to do. You're not gonna tell

1133
01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:12.920
me to eat less meat. You
know, I'm a man, I'm gonna

1134
01:12:12.920 --> 01:12:15.239
eat only meat. And it's like, you know, I get that mentality,

1135
01:12:15.279 --> 01:12:18.359
but I don't share it. It's
coming from an insecurity and kind of

1136
01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:23.520
being worried about being perceived is less
masculine than you want to be perceived.

1137
01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:25.560
And it's where it all that comes
from. It's like, oh, if

1138
01:12:25.560 --> 01:12:29.640
I show softness or empathy, someone's
gonna think I'm weak and they're gonna think

1139
01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:31.119
I'm less of a man, which
is which is crazy? You know,

1140
01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:35.880
there's a difference of opinion about what
small dick energy really is. Yeah,

1141
01:12:35.960 --> 01:12:41.199
someone, it's just also weird to
me, Like maybe it means I'm healthy,

1142
01:12:41.199 --> 01:12:43.479
but like I just never once to
think about like any of that.

1143
01:12:43.840 --> 01:12:45.199
Like I don't walk into a room, a new room and be like,

1144
01:12:45.199 --> 01:12:47.239
man, I hope these people think
I'm a man. Right, it's a

1145
01:12:47.239 --> 01:12:49.640
one hundred percent of security to have
that on your forefront of your brain in

1146
01:12:49.640 --> 01:12:51.479
the first place. Yeah, it's
odd, you know, it's odd.

1147
01:12:51.640 --> 01:12:56.760
Or I never think like one habit
of mine has anything to do with my

1148
01:12:57.840 --> 01:13:01.119
I don't even know what the proper
term is, not sexuality whatever the fucking

1149
01:13:01.880 --> 01:13:06.720
gender. Yeah, my gender identity, I don't know, you know,

1150
01:13:06.960 --> 01:13:10.439
like just because you lift weights or
just because you do X, or just

1151
01:13:10.479 --> 01:13:16.079
because I enjoy fucking apples and whip
cream. You know, I never thought

1152
01:13:16.119 --> 01:13:19.399
that has to do with like who
I am or what's between my thighs.

1153
01:13:20.720 --> 01:13:24.119
It's a fucking weird world, dude, it is very strange. I swear

1154
01:13:24.159 --> 01:13:26.960
it has to do with the Internet
for sure, because like you take away

1155
01:13:26.960 --> 01:13:30.479
the Internet and like all those voices
just get so much quieter. You know,

1156
01:13:30.520 --> 01:13:32.640
they don't get millions of followers.
So yeah, that type of like

1157
01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:38.119
energy and people exist, but it's
just so much more minuscule, where like

1158
01:13:38.159 --> 01:13:42.960
if you do something crazy on the
Internet, you be The history of advertising

1159
01:13:43.000 --> 01:13:45.119
has always played into that. I
mean the Marlborough Man or true, but

1160
01:13:45.159 --> 01:13:49.199
he was cool. He was cool, dude. Yeah, nice fitting jeans,

1161
01:13:49.359 --> 01:13:54.039
he looked good, look good in
those jeens. Yeah, yeah,

1162
01:13:54.159 --> 01:13:57.319
I'd smoke. The way that the
Joe Camill looked like a penis was a

1163
01:13:57.319 --> 01:14:00.840
big one, yeah, you know, and there's always been big head on

1164
01:14:00.920 --> 01:14:04.600
that. Yeah, he had a
lot of Edgibritos. That's gotta cast some

1165
01:14:04.920 --> 01:14:10.119
estrogen issues for sure. There's no
way smoking, oh God, helps your

1166
01:14:10.119 --> 01:14:15.039
fucking gains. Yeah. Yeah.
If I'm watching hockey like you go back

1167
01:14:15.039 --> 01:14:16.880
and those guys are like smoking cigarettes
between periods. Well, one of our

1168
01:14:17.640 --> 01:14:21.399
probably the most talented training partner,
we've ever had, like raw talent,

1169
01:14:21.800 --> 01:14:25.560
uh rip SIGs. In between every
set, you find him in the parking

1170
01:14:25.600 --> 01:14:28.600
lot with the fucking we need to
be a proper country. Yeah he be

1171
01:14:28.720 --> 01:14:31.800
in full fucking squat suit, sitting
in his STV ripping at a stick.

1172
01:14:31.960 --> 01:14:38.640
Yeah, and probably probably arguably the
most talented powerlifter I've ever been around.

1173
01:14:39.000 --> 01:14:42.800
Yeah that just and he he smashed
weights, but he should have smashed insaneo

1174
01:14:42.880 --> 01:14:45.920
waits like he should have been maybe
the greatest of all the time. He

1175
01:14:46.039 --> 01:14:49.039
just had well, he had a
lot of things, focus issues. He

1176
01:14:49.119 --> 01:14:51.960
was very funny, He was fun
be around my probably my favorite training partner

1177
01:14:53.000 --> 01:14:55.800
too. But yeah, I just
didn't shout out trust him. Yeah he

1178
01:14:55.800 --> 01:14:59.920
needed more Metallica or something. Yeah
he needed more SIGs. Yeah I don't

1179
01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:03.039
now. He didn't have a single
facial hair either. Oh yeah, not

1180
01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:11.800
much of a man pussy. He
likes porn though, Oh yeah, he

1181
01:15:11.800 --> 01:15:15.439
talked about it all the time.
He was in some weird shit. Yeah,

1182
01:15:15.479 --> 01:15:17.000
you would be probably the best podcast
we've ever had, if you get

1183
01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:20.560
a one. I think you told
me tried math once just to try it

1184
01:15:21.079 --> 01:15:24.720
too. I don't think that's how
it works, right, I don't think

1185
01:15:24.760 --> 01:15:28.439
that's curiosity gets you. Yeah,
yeah, not me. Has it got

1186
01:15:28.439 --> 01:15:30.960
me yet? Yeah? I had
a neighbor one time they knocked on our

1187
01:15:31.000 --> 01:15:34.560
door like three in the morning,
our apartment was in Resita, and they

1188
01:15:34.560 --> 01:15:36.560
said, hey, can you give
me a ride? And me, not

1189
01:15:36.560 --> 01:15:39.399
thinking anything of it, I was
like, yeah, let's let's go.

1190
01:15:39.479 --> 01:15:42.399
Man, I'm not doing anything.
It's a drug deal with a bunch of

1191
01:15:42.479 --> 01:15:45.880
math and then you're a drug uber. Yeah, invited me over. You

1192
01:15:45.920 --> 01:15:48.640
know, one thing led to another. You know not I didn't do it,

1193
01:15:48.680 --> 01:15:50.479
but that's crazy. All of a
sudden you realize it. Three in

1194
01:15:50.479 --> 01:15:53.800
the morning, you're in the valley
and you're participating on a drug deal.

1195
01:15:53.920 --> 01:15:58.720
Yeah, I should have. Probably
That's pretty much everything that is happening at

1196
01:15:58.720 --> 01:16:00.520
three in the morning in the valley
is a drug deal. Yeah, it's

1197
01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:02.199
true. Either. I was like, are you going to this bar?

1198
01:16:02.199 --> 01:16:04.000
He's I just pull up behind the
bar and I'm my gosh, shit,

1199
01:16:05.560 --> 01:16:09.960
not grabbing a cocktail. I just
got myself in a jackpot here. That's

1200
01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:15.960
crazy, all right. It is
a great talking to you work that people

1201
01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:24.640
find you meeting mcsorlely on on Twitter. I will not call it x on

1202
01:16:24.680 --> 01:16:30.000
Instagram. What's the mick? So
growing up watching hockey, Martin McSorley,

1203
01:16:30.319 --> 01:16:33.479
he was His entire role was to
protect Wayne Gretzky. You know, like

1204
01:16:33.560 --> 01:16:35.920
you looked at wayn Gretzky wrong,
He's gonna come, you know, down

1205
01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:39.399
your face and call him goons.
Yeah, he was a goon. He

1206
01:16:39.439 --> 01:16:41.840
was one of the best goons of
all time. He went out pretty bad.

1207
01:16:41.840 --> 01:16:45.079
He hit somebody overhead with his stick
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out of the league. But before
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good guy. And then when I
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twenty, I weigh about one hundred
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weight. My mom said, I
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that kind of just stuck. That's
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