Dec. 17, 2025

Creating safe outlets for coping with trauma| Guest: firefighter Chad Dillion

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In this conversation, Jim McDonald and firefighter Chad Dillon delve into deeper topics surrounding mental health, community, and self-expression through photography and music. They discuss Chad's journey from firefighting to founding the nonprofit, Ruted Above, aimed at fostering community connections and safe spaces for expression. The conversation highlights the importance of therapy, the impact of culture on personal growth, and the role of art in healing. They also touch on the significance of manifesting goals and the influence of music and tattoos in their lives.

You can find Chad and his new non-profit on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/ruted_above/

Chapters
00:00 Reconnecting and Reflecting on the Past
03:00 The Journey into Photography and Culture
05:53 Exploring Mental Health and Personal Growth
09:12 The Impact of Community and Expression
12:07 Building a Nonprofit: Rooted Above
15:05 The Art of Photography and Its Evolution
18:01 The Importance of Community and Connection
27:04 The Art of Photography and Personal Expression
29:16 Building Community Through Events and Nonprofits
32:06 The Search for Belonging in a Negative World
33:50 Mental Health and Identity in First Responders
37:41 The Impact of Technology on Human Connection
41:18 Tattoos: Personal Stories and Meanings
45:02 Manifesting Goals and Building Community
48:26 Music as Motivation and Personal Growth


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We're in. Okay, welcome back. I took a couple of

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weeks off here for a variety of reasons, but I'm

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back with Chad Dylan to talk about maybe some deeper

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topics than we sometimes get into on on the show.

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Chad was telling me a couple of weeks ago about

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a very cool sounding a nonprofit project that he's working

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on from his from his experience as a firefighter and life.

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So so tell me all about it.

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Yeah, So it started with my best friend Tim Brown.

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We're both from Modesto, Calm, born and raised in two

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and nine.

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Okay, yeah, I grew up in like Mantica fil Camp.

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Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, So we grew up skateboarding. We

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met like maybe we originally met in fourth grade, and

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then probably around like sixth grade, we started skateboarding and

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that was that was our life for from sixth grade

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till beginning of high school. I would say, and there

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was four of us that specifically our friend Josh would

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skate to my house, and then Josh and I would

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skate to Tim's house, and then all three of us

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would skate to Mike's house, and then we'd skate to

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school and we'd usually skate like a parking lot like

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at Loloma before school, and then we would skate to

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school and then sometimes before Downy. But yeah, that was

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that was how we all came together and Tim andized

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relationship just kept holding on throughout the years. I'm still

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friends with Josh, but I'm really close to Tim. And

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what happened was is around I think it was twenty

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and eighteen, we went on our first euro trip together

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and we weren't really into photography at the time, but

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we had our phones and were the course of being

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there and traveling to different places, we started like getting

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into our phones and like taking these pictures and stuff.

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And we realized that Tim did that, you know, he

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wanted to get into photography. So during COVID he kind

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of put me onto a film camera and so I

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went up actually over to Photosurce on Elvis and bought

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my first nikon FM two. And so what we started

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doing is we started an Instagram page. And what we

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realized is we just wanted to take pictures of life,

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like we wanted to take pictures of people just doing

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things and and what it really comes down to is culture.

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And I look at culture as four different banks. You know,

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so food, music, brotherhood, and that could include women and community.

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And so whether it's like we're shooting low Riders or

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we're shooting you know, deal to del with Moritos in

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the mission, or you know, powerlifting me, you know things

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like that. Like it's just people pressing themselves, right, And

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that's what it comes down to is because I think

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that you know, healthy masculinity is being able to express

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yourself and whatever fastt that is.

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Yeh.

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And what I have noticed over the course of my

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years in the fire service is some men that just

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don't know how to express themselves. And it's it's a

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tough thing to watch.

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Yeah, for sure. To backup for just to say, ye,

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my my wife's uncle, her aunt's husband taught it Downy

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for years and years.

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No way, yeah, yeah, yeah, we graduated oh.

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Five, okay, yeah he he retired a few years ago

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through four years ago.

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Yeah. We would skate the staircase on the front of

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Downy for you know, like for hours and hours and hours,

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and uh we had the big camquorder. Oh you know,

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we recorded, you know, we had like the fish lens

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and you know, we were always skating everywhere and it

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was it was such a such a good time to

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be a kid, like growing up there.

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It was.

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It was really cool.

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When I was in New York City about a year

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and a half ago, we went to this museum in

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Queens called the Museum of the Moving Image, and there

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was a whole section on skateboard videos, like the evolution

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of skateboard videos. Oh my god, I had no idea,

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but they actually showed like the cameras. It wasn't just

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examples of the cameras. It was the cameras that these guyshues. Yeah,

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and how they started off on you know, VHS tapes

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and and you know, graduated DVDs and then graduated to

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streaming stuff, and like they made frickin' movies. They made

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like you know, feature link documentaries.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It was I mean about skate culture totally, and like.

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You know, something that went along with that is we

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had you know, I had my first house. I bought

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a modesto at twenty three. That's when the that's when

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the housing market had plummeted, and so I was lucky

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enough to get into a house at an early age.

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And we had a friend named Ricky Kitt and he

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was a local MC and he did graffiti. And at

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that time, my friends were really important to me. My

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dad was going through some alcoholism at the time. My

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parents had to have a tough time, and so I

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just felt that my friends and I kind of were

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help raising each other at the time, and so I

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had him paint on my wall friends or the family

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would choose in West Coast Sick graffiti style. And I've

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kept those pictures on my phone for years. And so

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what I want to do now is I want to

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make a shirt and that's going to be on the

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front of the shirt, and so we're gonna put out

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a limited limited edition of that under the Root and

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Above brand.

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Nice.

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That's great, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it's something that I

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think it would be really cool.

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Yeah, that's great.

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Yeah.

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So you made these friends, yeah, and you're still hanging

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with some of them.

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Yeah.

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And how did that lead toward what you want to

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do now? Oh?

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Yeah, So basically what happened was is Tim and I

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we went on two euro trips. We went to Prague,

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Budapest brought us Lava and Vienna on the first one,

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and then on the second trip we went to Berlin, Copenhagen,

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Lisbon and Amsterdam.

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That's an all over the place one.

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Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And the juxtaposition of Berlin

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and Copenhagen was crazy. Yeah yeah and Lisbon yeah yeah

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for sure.

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And you know, most people when they choose their first

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European trip, they don't usually choose like Eastern Europe.

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No. No. But what was really cool about that is

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we went to the bathhouses. And funny story about that

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is we were able to we kind of learned how

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to like regulate our nervous system in it. We didn't

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realize we were doing at the time, but you know,

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you're going to the cold plunge, where we were like, hey,

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let's see if we could do five minutes in the

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cold plunge. We're like just in there, you know. Then

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we go in the then we go in the sana,

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you know, and then we go in the you know,

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back to the cold plunge. We did that all day,

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and we did it several times, you know, over several days,

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and when we would leave, we just felt like a

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million bucks. We're like, man, we feel awesome. And that's

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something that I've been reading about now with nervous system

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regulation and healthy dopamine reward. You know, the more you

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press on pain, the more the reward system is. In

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the end, it's not cheap dopamine, you know, it's kind

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of earned social media dopamine exactly, or porn or or

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cocaine or whatever, you know, or food or whatever. And

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you know, unfortunately and first respond to world people, you know,

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seek cheap dopamine because they don't know any different, you know.

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And I did that for a long time.

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And I imagine this it's a little bit of a

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sometimes a little bit of a survival strategy, of course,

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where you just feel like you're so beaten down, of course,

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that you're looking for whatever is going to solve the

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moment that was.

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That was me for a good eleven years.

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Wow.

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When I so, I got into the fire service when

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I was nineteen. I started with the state in Mariposa.

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I worked for It was called CDF at the time,

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but now it's CalFire. I did six seven, two thousand,

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I skipped two thousand and eight, and then I went

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back and oh nine twenty ten. And then at the

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time I was also working for MR. And I worked

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seven years for MR in Stanslaus County, and then I

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did two and a half years as volunteer with SLIDA,

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and then in twenty twelve I got picked up at

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sac Metro and in twenty thirteen, it was June thirtieth,

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twenty thirteen. I was about six months on. I was

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waiting for my first fire. What I mean by that

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is I had been to a ton of wildland fires.

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That was That was my whole that was my whole history.

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I had never been to a real structure fire. And

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I had the training in the academy, but never never

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done the real thing. And so I was just waiting

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and wait and wait, and finally that day came and

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it was a rip in fire. And what happened was

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there was a series events that happened, but I ended

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up getting burned really bad on my ears and my hands,

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and at the time I didn't know how to deal

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with it. Mentally, my I was living with my girlfriend

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at the time and I was unable to be have

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an honest communication with her. I just kind of drank

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about it, looked at porn about it, seeked every sort

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of dopamine, cheap dopamine that I could, and it ultimately,

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you know, a self sabotage of the relationship and I

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went down a wormhole for many years, and then of

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course COVID happens. Yeah, and then it went even worse, right,

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And so you know, I got engaged this last summer

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and my fiance Katie, once she came into my life,

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it made me. She told me a piece of advice

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that was so important because I was helping out a friend.

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I'm a part of peer support at work, and I

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was taking a friend down to a down to rehab

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that I worked with at the time, and I saw

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a lot of myself and him and when he came back,

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we had some conversations and the conversations that he didn't

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want to hear, and it was really it was really

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bothering me, and it was it was kind of hurting

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my relationship with Katie. And so she gave me the

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great advice anybody ever could. She said, Hey, you have

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all this great information for your friends, but what if

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you use that on yourself? And I mean it completely

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changed my mindset.

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Yeah, that's a hard thing to do too. It's so

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much easier to have perspective on somebody else.

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Yeah, it took me a lot of courage too. It

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took me about maybe like five or six months to

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really look in the mirror and say, Okay, I want

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to change my life. And that's when I decided to

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strip away alcohol. And then I started stripping away all

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the dopamine, all the cheap dopamine I could. And then

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then I started going to therapy regularly and I got

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really honest with her and it changed my life. And yeah, a.

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Thing about about therapy, like like in my own life,

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I I members of my family could have used.

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It, for sure.

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Absolutely my sister wouldn't that I don't really have much

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relationship with anymore as a drug addict, and would probably

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not be a drug addict had my dad been not

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such an asshole about about, you know, refusing to think

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that there was value to therapy. And he not only

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did he basically keep her from it, that he he

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instilled that in her head. And you know that was

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I mean, there's a big difference in our age. And

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I was out of the house by the time this

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was happening, and when I needed therapy, it still took

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me years to get there. Yeah, I mean I went.

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I went for for five years and then eventually my

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therapist said, look, you probably don't need to I was.

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Like, thank you.

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Okay, Yeah, I can graduate.

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Yeah, and it's always something that you can revisit. Yeah, life.

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There have been moments where I thought, yeah, maybe I

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should go back, and I think we'll see.

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Yeah, but that's what's so important about the gym and

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community and things like that. You know. You know, I

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come from a from a family of firefighters, Irish Catholic.

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My great uncle worked thirty thirty one years in Oakland.

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My dad did thirty years in Modesto, and so technically

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I'm third generation and it's alcoholism is deep in my family,

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deep in my family. Yeah, and it was just something,

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you know, when I got burned on that fire, nobody offered.

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There was just it just wasn't around. Nobody was like, hey,

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do you need therapy? Yeah, you know, it was it

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was tough, definitely tough to get back in the saddle

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again after that, And yeah, it was a it was

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a tough journey for sure.

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That's a that's a fairly common human situation where you

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were if literally burned but also burned by a situation.

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It's one of the things that they talk about in

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terms of athletes, if you get if you get injured

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as an athlete, it is difficult to get back to

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doing the thing that you were doing that injured you. Yeah, exactly,

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and people become much more conservative than they really need

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to be about about risk.

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Oh I could completely. I mean imagine like cutting and

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then you know, you take your a cl out the

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confidence to do that again like the way they did

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it one hundred percent before. It is probably like that's

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a mental thing. That's a mental thing. Or same thing

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with weightlifters, you know, shoulders, shoulders or your elbows, you know,

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things like that, like yeah, for sure, for sure, And.

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It is I mean it really I feel like it

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just requires somebody to be able who knows what they're doing,

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to be able to step in and figure out what

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works for you to step forward toward toward that risky

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situation again and without feeling like it's all just going

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to go to hell. Yeah, but we're I mean, we're

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risk a versus people in a lot of ways, not

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one hundred percent, and not everybody is risk averse obviously,

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or we wouldn't have Red Bull, you know, I mean.

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Mean uh it uh yeah, you know, it's it's it's

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super challenging. But you were you were able to come

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back and and yeah, face that over time.

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Yeah, I think I think it was rough. You know,

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I didn't have, in my opinion, the leadership that I

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needed at the time. So my thing is now is

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I'm back in school for psychology mental health, and what

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I want to do is I'm an engineer right now,

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but when I promote to captain eventually, I want to

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be the captain that I wish I had.

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You know. That's actually that's a really good that's a

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really good goal. Yeah.

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And and and then on top of that, you know,

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the way down the line, maybe when I retire, become

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a therapist for first responders, you know.

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That's yeah, that's that's a way to give back needed

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for sure, needed for sure, and and it's never going

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to not be needed. That's the thing. It's it's it's

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is a condition of the of the job.

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Yeah. And if you look at the arc from from

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you know, the seventies all the way till now, the

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call volume has just gone up exponentially, but the system

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hasn't really changed. So it's like it's changed a little bit.

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But like, man, it's so inundated. It's just it's just

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over the top and then going back to the expression piece,

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that's partly why we you know, our our core values,

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our core values are culture, character and expression, and so

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that with Rooted Above, that's what we just believe that,

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you know, expressing yourself, whether it's waightlifting, powerlifting, photography, art, djaying,

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whatever that is. Man, it's such a release. It's such

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a release.

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So tell me about Rooted Above.

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I mean, that's that's what I want to do, or

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we want to do, is we want to create a

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nonprofit and what I envision it is, I want to

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create safe spaces for people to dance. Because I'm also DJ,

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a local DJ. I'm a resident DJ for Calling Response,

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which is a local party in town. And I shouldn't

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call it really call it a party. It's a dance event,

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and it's a way for the community to connect. I

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think a lot of times people look at dancing or

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or hanging with your friends like that as escaping, but

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we look at it as connecting. And so I want

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to buy a sound system and we want to start

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doing some gatherings and pouring into that. And it's not

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really about it's not really about profiting for money. It's

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just about creating safe spaces for.

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People and having an expression for for what you're feeling.

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That's exactly community needs.

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That's exactly it. Yeah, yeah, and so we're gonna I'm

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gonna be looking more into that, Like I'm meeting with

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a lawyer in January, my tax person, and but you know,

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I've got the business cards and working on the shirt

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and things like that, and we've got the Instagram and

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we've got a domain.

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So yeah, yeah, the the the process of setting up

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a nonprofit takes a little while.

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Yeah, that's right here.

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It takes a little while, and there are certain steps

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that you have to go through. I went through it

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with an organization and I and I fucked it up,

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clearly fucked it up because they didn't fit any good category.

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So I had to just got to make something up.

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But a couple of years later they had to read

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it with somebody else. But they were desperate to get

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it going at the time. And that's it was like

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I was, I was just you know, the consultant that

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came in and said, Okay, I don't know if this

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is right, but it's going to be done.

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So yeah, but it.

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Yeah, it's a it's a it takes a while. To

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get the official blessing from the I R S to

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to to be a nonprofit. But yeah, you know, they're,

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like I said, all kind of rules you have to

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follow to get to get there.

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That's right here. I was actually, ironically enough, I was

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talking with a lady last night and her son started

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a nonprofit in Oakland, and she was telling me about

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that as well. And so everybody that I've talked to

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about it, they say, hey, you should probably talk to,

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you know, somebody who actually has one, because there's so

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many steps that you have to go through.

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So yeah, so many records to keep, so many things

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to do to be able to show as evidence that

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that's what you're doing.

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Yeah, so I look, I mean, I look forward to

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learning more about it, and you know, we're excited. And

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photography is just such a special thing that we like.

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I think that like being street skaters back in the day,

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the way that we looked at things, it causes us

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to look at things a different way as photographers, you know,

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the way we look at lines and things like that,

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and like the way we look at staircases and just

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symmetry and things like that. It kind of reminds us

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of being skating, skating even though we're not skating, and

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so like we'll meet up because he lives in Turlock

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and I live in Sacramento obviously, and so we'll drive

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out to San Francisco. We'll just go on on walking

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talks and we'll just you know, bring our film and

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go shoot and chat it up as friends and it's

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a good time.

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Are you shooting exclusively on films?

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Yes, yeah, both of us are yeah. Yeah.

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Seabast like that yeah, and Kevin like.

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Oh yeah, it's because of so chat actually gave me

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an Olympus point and shoot, and then Kevin was gonna

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go to Japan and I was like hey, I was

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like yeah. I was like I had I did one

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role and I was like, oh, bro, it sounds like drugs.

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I show one role and I was like, oh, this

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is fire.

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Yeah.

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I was like, hey, bro, here here's your you're a

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free role. Go to Japan if you want, buy some

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more roles and just start shooting.

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It's fun.

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Yeah, it's like an addiction. He was like, we'll see,

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we'll see. And I think he bought his own camera.

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He's buying like four.

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He ran the marathon the other day of the California International.

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He had his camera in his pocket. I'm not I

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did not see any of the pictures that he took.

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That's awesome, he said.

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They're probably going to be like, you know, shaking.

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Yeah, that's so cool. But yeah, one thing, one thing

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that we love about film is like we just live

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in this age of instagratification. And the thing about film is,

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you know, you don't have a screen to look at.

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You know, you're in the viewfinder and you snap a

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shot and that's it. You don't get to you don't

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have to get to look at it a million times

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and redo it. You know, in our parents' day when

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they would take pictures, it was just set up, take

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the picture, done. And so what's cool is you get

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to over time you start to remember your settings, and

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then when you get the film back, you go, oh,

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I remember, I remember what I had my apertra at,

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or remember what I had my speed at, or was

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I pulling or pushing the film? And then you get

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to adjust as so and then you know, it makes

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you a better photographer. And I think that I just

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think there's such a I think are the generation now,

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in the younger generation, they're looking for something with some

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a little bit delayed gratification I think is good for people.

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It's a little bit.

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Like the resurgence of physical media totally.

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The records, for sure, records, CDs, CDs.

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And DVDs. Yes, and I don't know about I don't

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know if vhs has ever come back, but the DVDs,

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like it may not, like it's it's actually sort of

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a thing now to you know, collect like a classic

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version of something that came out on a on a

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DVD like early days, but also to get the four

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k UHD version and you know, run a compare contrast

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essay on it.

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Yeah, yeah, I think it's amazing.

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Yeah, I I you know, I had a tiny, little

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instematic camera, my first camera. It just it was literally

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this big. It was like it was it was about

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the same size as a as a you know, a

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small iPhone like an se but fit like three times

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this thick.

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Yeah.

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And eventually, and when I was going into my senior

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year of high school, I bought an SLR for the

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first time, I had a Minolta and I took a

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ship ton of pictures for a long time. I still

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still have.

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Do you still have it?

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No? It died it sucks that it died, but yeah, yeah, no,

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I I loved that camera and I did love shooting

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on film. I haven't done it in years. I haven't

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done it since that camera died.

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Well, I mean, you know, Photosaurce is a place in town.

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They they sell cameras.

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Passed it every time I go to home.

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Yeah, they're really cool people out there. Yeah, and then

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Mike's camera's cool too. But photo Source, if you're looking

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for a camera, they're They're a cool local place that

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they They're really nice there.

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I know. They do conversions too for for video, and

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I have just like reams of a video because that's

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that's what sort of the next thing is. I got

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into shooting like family videos and stuff like that.

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It's so cool.

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But I just aw this raw video and then I

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have to edit it now and like yeah yeah, and

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just and then converting it. I bought a camera to

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convert it with because the original camera died and that died,

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and so it's like and I need to be able

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to send this stuff off to somebody while these these

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technology still exists. Yes, it's not like moon landing technology

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that they can't be recreated. Yeah, yeah, now and then

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and we were talking about like looking at people's faces

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and stuff. And that's how actually I got into powerlifting.

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Yeah was I. I was invited to the APF California

468
00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:53.799
State Meet in two thousand and five. It's like January

469
00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:57.000
two thousand and five, I think, and or maybe it

470
00:22:57.000 --> 00:22:58.680
was two thousand and four. Anyway, one of those two

471
00:22:59.079 --> 00:23:01.119
and it was here here in Sacramento. Would have had

472
00:23:01.599 --> 00:23:05.119
the Red Lion when it still existed, And it was

473
00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:08.839
the expression on people's faces when they would approach the bar,

474
00:23:09.440 --> 00:23:12.880
what they look like during the lift, their expression afterwards

475
00:23:12.880 --> 00:23:14.759
and they got the lift, they didn't get the lift, whatever,

476
00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:17.559
you know, like that, that's where my hook was. And

477
00:23:17.559 --> 00:23:19.559
that's when I started shooting shooting powerlifting.

478
00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:21.319
That's awesome, What a cool experience.

479
00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:25.359
And yeah, it's I would not be sitting here now

480
00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:27.799
if I'd not done all that stuff. I'm sure I

481
00:23:27.799 --> 00:23:31.559
would have made a lot more money doing other things.

482
00:23:31.799 --> 00:23:33.960
Yeah, but you know what, money is not everything.

483
00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:36.240
Yeah, it's something, though, it is something.

484
00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:39.799
It is something. But but I think I heard this

485
00:23:39.880 --> 00:23:42.079
quote the other day. It was like, you know, you retire,

486
00:23:42.759 --> 00:23:44.880
you retire with tell me ten million dollars, but you

487
00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:46.960
have no friends you're broke. Yeah, you know, and I

488
00:23:46.960 --> 00:23:48.839
think a lot of people are just chasing that rabbit

489
00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:51.359
and like they're not realizing that community is everything.

490
00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:54.000
No, I think that's true. Also, like as you get older,

491
00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:57.079
developing community is the hardest thing to do it, like,

492
00:23:57.440 --> 00:23:59.680
you know, especially like it's hard to it's hard to

493
00:23:59.680 --> 00:24:02.480
find peers. Yeah, and so like all of your friends

494
00:24:02.519 --> 00:24:04.640
become people who are decades younger than you, which is

495
00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:08.519
where I am most of most of my friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

496
00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:10.519
and that's I mean, that's true. Here. There's like I

497
00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:12.559
don't know a couple of members that are in my

498
00:24:13.319 --> 00:24:15.119
age cohort, and that's you know.

499
00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:17.880
But the range here of age is pretty pretty good.

500
00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:20.160
It's pretty good. It's pretty broad, but it but if

501
00:24:20.200 --> 00:24:22.799
you look at the like the average or the median

502
00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:25.440
or whatever, it's pretty low. It's yeah, it's you know,

503
00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:27.759
twenty twenty five is yeah.

504
00:24:27.799 --> 00:24:30.119
Okay, that's the that's the average, like twenty four twenty five.

505
00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:31.359
I feel like I'm old.

506
00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:37.839
Here, well not as Almo as me, but yeah, but no,

507
00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:39.960
that's that That's what what hooked me.

508
00:24:40.480 --> 00:24:41.039
That's amazing.

509
00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:48.039
I could throw this out of the way here, this

510
00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:53.880
is this is my laptop support when we're talking to

511
00:24:53.920 --> 00:25:01.759
the the advertising company zoom calls with the advertising company. Yeah, no,

512
00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:04.079
that's that. That's what hooked me, and that's what kept

513
00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:08.039
me going and and and I was like, I always

514
00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:12.039
loved film, and I if if if there were no

515
00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:14.480
uh well, if I had known how little money I

516
00:25:14.559 --> 00:25:16.240
was going to make it, I probably would have stuck

517
00:25:16.839 --> 00:25:19.599
with being a film major because it was the coolest thing.

518
00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:20.079
Yeah.

519
00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:22.759
Eventually I took a year off and then said when

520
00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:24.279
I went back and went, I'll get a business. Agree,

521
00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:26.359
I might be able get a job from that. Yeah.

522
00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:28.119
I wish I would have got into it a lot earlier,

523
00:25:28.160 --> 00:25:30.599
but you know, is what it is. But I mean,

524
00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:34.599
I'm so hooked now. I mean, we're both we both

525
00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:37.680
love it so much, you know, And it's really cool

526
00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:41.559
to see people. Every now and then someone will say, hey,

527
00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:43.200
look what I got and they showed me the camera

528
00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:44.920
that they bought. And then now they're getting into it,

529
00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:47.160
and it's just it's just a really cool thing. And

530
00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:49.799
Timson is getting into photography. He's got him a camera,

531
00:25:50.440 --> 00:25:53.799
and uh yeah, it's just it's cool for kids to

532
00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:57.119
see actual cameras because you know, so many kids, uh

533
00:25:57.200 --> 00:25:58.519
you know, you ask them to take a picture and

534
00:25:58.519 --> 00:26:01.599
they do something like you know, they're like, oh like this,

535
00:26:01.720 --> 00:26:06.519
you know, rather than you know, Yeah, it's just such exactly.

536
00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:08.920
It's such an interesting thing how they haven't grown up

537
00:26:08.920 --> 00:26:09.839
with the cameras.

538
00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:14.799
Yeah, they haven't. They haven't figured out that most pictures are.

539
00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:19.559
Shot landscape, yeah exactly, portrait yeah, or disposable cameras. I

540
00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:21.119
mean those were so much fun. Yeah.

541
00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:26.039
Yeah. My my younger son got into photography pretty early too,

542
00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:28.480
and he's he's still a really good photographer. He just

543
00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:32.559
doesn't do it very much now he's teaching, but he's

544
00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:35.720
taken some great stuff. We have some of his photography's

545
00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:39.079
hanging in our house. It's like, you know, he he

546
00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:41.839
there he would go to just like the craziest things,

547
00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:44.359
you know, we go to like these big events that

548
00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:47.319
would just happen, you know, downtown or whatever.

549
00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:49.839
You know, that's the best to go to as places

550
00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:52.200
that I don't even really know about him, Like, but

551
00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:53.359
this looks awesome.

552
00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:55.119
That's the thing, you like. Yeah, I mean you have

553
00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:58.480
to know the right people to get into those places

554
00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:01.319
to do to do those things. Yeah, there's like you know,

555
00:27:01.400 --> 00:27:05.359
there's there's like there's a fire dancer guy, and there's

556
00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:07.440
you know, there's like a bunch of really cool stuff

557
00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:09.480
that he took over the years, and that was all.

558
00:27:09.519 --> 00:27:12.160
I think that was all on film. Honestly, I'm pretty sure.

559
00:27:12.519 --> 00:27:15.000
I don't know. It was split somewhere on the one

560
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:18.319
because he actually took photography classes. Okay, so I think

561
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:20.039
some of it was some of it was digital, but

562
00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:21.799
a lot of it was was on film, Okay.

563
00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:22.119
Yeah.

564
00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:26.279
I really love doing also, like dance events like discos,

565
00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:29.920
things like that, like the low light with the film

566
00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:33.400
camera because it's no flash, so you could kind of

567
00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:37.519
get the mood of the night without being overwhelming while

568
00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:42.160
people are enjoying themselves. I've got this old photography book

569
00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:45.519
called Disco and it's like a Studio fifty four back

570
00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:48.240
in the day, and it's really really cool. It's really

571
00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:51.160
really cool. Yeah, it's it's it's it's a cool era

572
00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:51.720
of pictures.

573
00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:53.119
That's that's amazing.

574
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:55.799
People all express themselves, all different walks of life, like

575
00:27:55.880 --> 00:27:56.839
just enjoying their time.

576
00:27:57.200 --> 00:28:02.319
Yeah yeah, he uh, he really dug it. And then

577
00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:05.720
somewhere along the line, just like life kind of in

578
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:08.759
he's getting a master's right on in in education. In

579
00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:10.839
my in my mind, at some point he's going to

580
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:11.440
be teaching.

581
00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:13.039
Photography someplace because he's amazing.

582
00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:15.680
He's got a really really good eye. And you know,

583
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:19.039
people surprise you, like with some people have a great

584
00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:20.960
eye and some people just don't. And it's a little

585
00:28:20.960 --> 00:28:24.480
bit it's a little bit hard to teach. It's it's like, yeah,

586
00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:28.000
like composition, composition, yeah is Yeah. My mother in law,

587
00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:30.920
who's eighty seven, has amazing composition. She hand her a

588
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:31.440
camera and.

589
00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:34.079
She yeah, it's just natural, just natural.

590
00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:34.799
Yeah, yeah, I don't.

591
00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:37.359
That's how my fiance is. Yeah, she's an amazing photographer.

592
00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:39.119
It just comes so natural for her.

593
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:40.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

594
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:42.960
And it's also cool to see like, uh, like when

595
00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:45.519
Tim and I go and shoot together, we'll be shooting

596
00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:47.880
the same thing, but but we have a different viewpoint,

597
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:50.240
like like he sees it a different way than I do,

598
00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:52.720
and so when we develop our film, you know, we

599
00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:55.759
get to see like the different different angles or different

600
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:59.319
viewpoints from that same image. And so that's also pretty cool.

601
00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:02.000
How everybody has everybody views the world a different way,

602
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:04.960
is what that is. At least that's how I interpret it.

603
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:08.240
I've I know, I've been to photography exhibits where it's

604
00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:10.880
the same scene, but it's a bunch of photographers and

605
00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:12.079
so it's all their interpretation.

606
00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:14.319
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, no to the.

607
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:16.079
Same Like even if they took the same picture, that's

608
00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:19.200
not what you're gonna see displayed. You're gonna see the variation.

609
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:21.720
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's cool.

610
00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:27.559
Yeah. So what what kinds of events do you see

611
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:31.920
yourself doing with your with your nonprofit or services.

612
00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:36.480
Yeah, I think dance events for sure. I've got ideas

613
00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:38.240
for later down the road, like maybe doing like a

614
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:40.839
record shop or some things like that, or like a

615
00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:44.279
photography store or something like that. But also I would

616
00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:47.200
love to come shoot like a power lift you meet here,

617
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:53.599
you know. I've done the low Writter events in Sacramento. Yeah,

618
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:58.240
like you name it. I mean, you know, outside of

619
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:03.160
that like food event or whatever whatever, we basically food,

620
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:05.200
music and community.

621
00:30:05.240 --> 00:30:07.920
Really yeah, what kind of reaction have you gotten from

622
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:12.240
your coworkers, because you obviously it's just changed a lot. Yeah,

623
00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:14.640
fairly fairly recently, right, I mean.

624
00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:17.559
Yeah, yeah, well I just hit a year variety. Yeah,

625
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:21.880
so that's been pretty cool. But yeah, I think they

626
00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:24.319
haven't had a really time, Like I'm just we're just

627
00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:26.119
starting to kind of like push it a little bit more.

628
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:28.960
And then I've been off of work for a little

629
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:31.000
bit for a risk injury. I've got a sprain in

630
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:35.440
my left risk a gangly on syst so I'm seeing

631
00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:41.000
a specialist on the seventeenth for that. But yeah, I mean,

632
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:43.519
like at least all my friends in the fire department

633
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:48.440
think it's really cool. I think there's a need for brotherhood,

634
00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:53.240
especially in our world, and so I just figured, you know,

635
00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:55.440
I might as well have something that people could tie into.

636
00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:59.400
Even the other day, I was checking out at the

637
00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:02.119
Save mar or the Safeway off Alpara Hambra is a

638
00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:06.400
safe work and Safeway safe Way, safe Way, Safeway Safeway. Yeah,

639
00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:08.519
so I was checking out there and I was going

640
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:10.279
to a party and I had the non alcoholic beers

641
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:12.599
because I still like the ritual of tasting a beer

642
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:16.480
to party, and uh, this kid sees me and he goes,

643
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:18.279
I have to say, what's up with the what's up

644
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:20.359
with the na's And he sets his beer down and

645
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:21.680
I set up, well, you know, I had a problem

646
00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:24.640
with alcohol and cocaine for a while, and he goes, okay,

647
00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:26.680
he's a are you into hardcore music. And I said, yeah,

648
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:28.640
I go to Aftershock every year. I like hardcore music.

649
00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:30.720
And he goes, okay, because you look kind of hardcore.

650
00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:33.880
You're kind of like a straight edge, And I said, yeah,

651
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:35.799
I mean like I'm into I'm in the dance I'm

652
00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:38.440
in the dance community. And I and I like hardcore music,

653
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:40.240
you know. And that's the thing. Tim and I like

654
00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:43.319
all sorts of music. We like all all all different

655
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:48.519
types of of of communities really and and so when

656
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:51.279
I was leaving, I said, hey, man, and we talked

657
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:53.480
about a a for a little bit and things like that,

658
00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:56.279
and I said, here's a card, man, I go. Because

659
00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:58.839
it's it's really cool to feel like you're a part

660
00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:02.240
of something even though you're not with those people. And

661
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:03.519
so that's kind of what we're trying to do with

662
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:05.000
Rooted Above. But we want people to feel like they are

663
00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:07.200
a part of something, even though we might not necessarily

664
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:08.599
be in the same vicinity.

665
00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:12.519
So I think that groups like that too. I won't

666
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:14.359
let me back up and say that, I think that

667
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:17.720
there are so many people who are looking for some

668
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:21.559
kind of belonging that they are too many people are

669
00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:24.720
open to the negative messages and not looking for the

670
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:28.519
positive ones. And it's easy to find the negative messages.

671
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:30.440
It's harder to find the positive ones.

672
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:33.319
Oh yeah, especially with the algorithms on on social media.

673
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:36.480
Yeah, everyone's in a turmoil all the time, and it

674
00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:42.160
turns into the desire for community turns into like a

675
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:48.400
grievance kind of mentality, and and that's that's scary, And

676
00:32:48.440 --> 00:32:52.440
that it doesn't lead to good places obviously at all.

677
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:57.160
Or competition, yeah, and things like that. I mean, yeah,

678
00:32:57.319 --> 00:32:59.200
I would agree, I would agree. I think I think

679
00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:02.119
there's a lot of negative tivity and we're just trying

680
00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:03.279
to shine some positivity.

681
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:08.200
Yeah. Really, Yeah, this is like I'm I'm obviously I'm

682
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:11.519
I'm taking weeks off from the show as opposed to

683
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:13.640
just grinding it out every time because I wanted, I

684
00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:16.839
want every episode to be something I'm I'm that I

685
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:20.440
feel more passionate about whatever. So coming up on five

686
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:25.359
hundred episodes, and and and I'm not sure, you know,

687
00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:28.319
I'm not sure when Mike can rejoin me or if

688
00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:30.440
he's even going to be able to, because life's a

689
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:35.079
lot of life's happening, and I am really seriously thinking

690
00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:43.680
about tilting the show entirely into a positive, positive community

691
00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:51.000
mental health, you know, and away so so specifically from

692
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:53.640
the fitness stuff that we've done in the past, just

693
00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:59.279
as I think that that it's needed and it's not

694
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:01.680
not everybody who wants to listen to the manosphere, I

695
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:02.559
guess's what I'm saying.

696
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:04.839
Sure, sure, well, I think I think it really ties it.

697
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:08.199
I think mental health really ties into the weightlifting community. Yeah,

698
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:10.719
in some aspect.

699
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:14.159
Yeah, it's you know, it's people shouldn't pretend like it's

700
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:18.320
therapy because it's not. But it is. It is an expression,

701
00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:19.159
is an outlet.

702
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:21.679
It is an outlet, and it could be it could

703
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:23.519
be an addictive outlet too. I mean when I in

704
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:26.559
my CrossFit days, I had a CrossFit era yeah, and

705
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:32.960
I was really addicted, yeah a lot. Yeah, And and

706
00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:36.519
it was it got real negative, like it turns toxic

707
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:39.440
after it was toxic, Like I remember, you know, I

708
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:42.079
would get back, I'd spend three four hours in the gym,

709
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:44.159
and then I'd get home and I think I was

710
00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:47.079
in my late twenties at the time. I couldn't move

711
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:49.679
and then I would just be bet up until I

712
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:51.239
could get back to the gym. And that's all I

713
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:56.400
cared about was you know, the times or my prs

714
00:34:56.519 --> 00:35:00.400
or things like that, and.

715
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:01.280
He just became your whole identity and became my whole identity.

716
00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:02.719
And that's that's danger.

717
00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:05.719
And that's another aspect that I wanted to say is

718
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:08.079
in the fire department is there's just a lot of

719
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:11.599
guys that unfortunately their identity is so wrapped up into

720
00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:15.599
be a firefighter. It's like it's a great career and

721
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:18.480
it's a meaningful career, but it shouldn't be your identity

722
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:23.880
because if the fire doesn't come for three months, four months,

723
00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:27.000
six months, and that's your whole identity, that's that's in

724
00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:29.079
your loss and your loss, your loss.

725
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:33.519
Yeah, that's that. That makes it a markedly different thing

726
00:35:33.559 --> 00:35:38.159
from say cops and other first responders. Are you know,

727
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:42.519
nurses particularly like eur nurses you know you know Josh, Yeah,

728
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:44.679
Josh is an EIR nurse.

729
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:46.280
He's involved with mental health as well.

730
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:53.039
Right, Yeah, they do. They do a critical incident response

731
00:35:53.880 --> 00:36:00.000
with their with their staff that also includes the uh

732
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:01.119
Aermedics EMTs.

733
00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:03.280
Okay fires like a debrief.

734
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:06.239
Debris yeah yeah, so people aren't carrying it with them

735
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:09.559
forever and ever. You know, Oh yeah, I think that

736
00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:11.880
I mean I think that it's sort of been proven

737
00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:14.559
that the sooner that you can address those issues, the

738
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:17.519
less likely you are to just carrying them for forever

739
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:20.079
and ever, except for the certain kinds of incidents that

740
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:23.159
really do stick with you. But it's like, even how

741
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:25.760
do you deal with those in a healthy way? You know?

742
00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:32.039
I mean, in my experience, even just talking about it

743
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:34.239
to some aspect like even say, hey, you know what,

744
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:38.400
that really sucked, you know or whatever. It doesn't mean

745
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:40.679
you have to be so emotional about it. Let's say,

746
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:43.679
I mean that's also okay too. But I think that

747
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:46.440
that's where it gets a negative connotation in the fire service,

748
00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:48.719
as a lot of guys are there, you know, I

749
00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:50.679
don't want to talk about it, and so then it

750
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:53.840
just kind of gets put to the wayside. But unfortunately

751
00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:57.079
what happens is it will eventually show it's it'll it'll

752
00:36:57.079 --> 00:36:57.920
just rise up again.

753
00:36:58.119 --> 00:36:59.920
Eventually you're going to drink about it, You're going to

754
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:03.480
fight about it, You're gonna yeah, you're gonna cry about it.

755
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:09.000
Yeah yeah later yeah, in a very yeah, because your

756
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:11.199
spirit is broken and you just and you and you

757
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:14.880
haven't addressed it. Yep. Yeah that you know that that's

758
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.800
a a like built into a lot of careers. But

759
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:22.360
your point about about the fire service, just all the

760
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:26.199
waiting around. Oh yeah, just all the all the waiting around.

761
00:37:26.199 --> 00:37:29.719
Where's the stops? It's all the time. Yeah, you know, nurses,

762
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:31.199
it's all the time. Yeah.

763
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:33.599
And there's different stations, you know, not not every station

764
00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:35.320
is the same. So we have we have stations that

765
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:39.519
are really busy. We have the slower stations too. But

766
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:45.039
I think the downtime the phones, really, man, I see,

767
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:47.079
like you know somebody and I've been guilty of it too,

768
00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:48.960
is like you're so locked into your phone and your

769
00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:51.800
screens and you're not connecting with the guys that you

770
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:54.280
work with or the gals that you work with. And

771
00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:57.280
I mean that in itself is a dopamine release. Is

772
00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:00.400
connected with human beings. We were designed to connect with

773
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:03.800
each other, and sometimes guys just want to zone out

774
00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:05.239
and go back to their bunk and just stare at

775
00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:08.599
their screens. And that's over time. That's not great.

776
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:11.320
So do you do you have an urge to try

777
00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:13.679
to reach out to those folks earlier? Do you think

778
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:15.480
this is him and this is why how he needs

779
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:16.320
to be or her?

780
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:19.519
I mean, I think I think checking on people is great.

781
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:21.960
What I've learned in my experience is you can't force

782
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:25.880
it on people. Everybody's on their own journey. But I

783
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:28.519
think that like now, I just choose to be just

784
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:30.000
be a positive example.

785
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:31.599
You know.

786
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:34.719
I even like reduced my Instagram. I only go on

787
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:35.679
on Thursdays and Sundays.

788
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:37.960
Now, oh that's actually that's a wise. Yeah.

789
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:40.079
So on Thursdays I go on, I connect with people.

790
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:42.559
If I want to put something on my story or

791
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:44.239
like you know, do messages and things like that, that's

792
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:45.760
what I do on Thursdays. If I want to do

793
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:47.119
if I want to do a post, I do it

794
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:48.920
on Sundays. And that's my outlet. That's the way I

795
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:54.280
express myself, so you know, through my photography so or

796
00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:57.079
or music and so outside of that though I'm not

797
00:38:57.119 --> 00:38:58.960
on it, and it's really helped.

798
00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:01.519
My life, I imagine. So oh yeah. If there there

799
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:03.639
are things that I wish that we could go back

800
00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:06.480
and change the way they came into our lives, maybe

801
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:09.440
not have them come in at all, or have them

802
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:12.760
come in in a different measured way, the Internet period

803
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:13.480
being one of them.

804
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:15.239
It'd be kind of cool for the Internet like shut

805
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:17.239
down at midnight or something.

806
00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:21.000
It was a meterred in some way that that that

807
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:25.079
that was something of a disincentive to being on it

808
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:28.199
all the time. And and have so much of our

809
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:35.320
human interaction forced onto it into you know, really solo endeavors, right,

810
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:37.800
I mean, like shopping used to be like you would

811
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:40.360
go into a store and you would look at something

812
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:43.239
with your hands and your eyes, and you would decide

813
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:45.159
if you're going to buy it, and you would interact

814
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:48.599
with somebody to give them your money or your credit

815
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:50.800
card or whatever, and they would tell you to have

816
00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:54.880
a nice day, which you know, now it's a it's

817
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:57.519
a it's an automated response telling you thank you for

818
00:39:57.559 --> 00:40:00.719
your purchase or whatever. It's not. There's no personal interaction

819
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:04.000
at all. If anybody talks to you, it's a bot.

820
00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:07.480
It's a chat bot that is programmed to tell you

821
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:11.800
whatever you know. And and those some people experience those

822
00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:14.800
those personal things. It's not a personal thing at all. Yeah,

823
00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:19.440
And and like if I wish that that it had

824
00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:22.400
all been implemented differently. And social media is just social

825
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:25.119
media can be so toxic and it is really reshaped

826
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:28.000
our world in disturbing ways.

827
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:31.760
Oh yeah, that and dating apps and we're constantly being

828
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:34.159
sold something. I mean, like, you know, you go pump

829
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:36.000
your gas now and there's a screen in front of me,

830
00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:37.960
I'm selling me something. I'm like, dude, I just want

831
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:41.199
to pump my gas in peace. I don't want another

832
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:42.079
screen at me.

833
00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:45.599
You've been to that one it's at sixty fift and folsome.

834
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:47.960
Right, Yeah, yeah, I was thinking of the one that

835
00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:51.400
Hal and far oaks. But yes, okay, yeah, yeah, they

836
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:52.039
both have those.

837
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:55.480
Yeah yeah, and it's it's like you could leave me

838
00:40:55.519 --> 00:40:59.000
alone really exactly, because yeah, you're not a real person.

839
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:04.559
You're just a sales spot, you know. Yeah. Yeah, that's disturbing,

840
00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:08.559
it is, I got, I got, I got two more,

841
00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:11.559
two more questions, Yeah, sure. Thing one is you have

842
00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:12.599
a bunch of tattoos?

843
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:13.159
Yeah.

844
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:17.400
And I always feel like there's two philosophies about tattoos,

845
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:21.599
like either there there they mean each one means something

846
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:25.239
specific to you, or there's no meaning at all and

847
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:27.519
you just like them. Yeah, where do you fall? And

848
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:28.639
or is it a mixture?

849
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:31.440
I have a mixture? Okay, yeah, I think I think

850
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:35.159
I'm a tattoo collector, so I look at it that way.

851
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:37.679
But every now and then that means I just walk

852
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:39.440
into a shop and I go, that looks freaking cool,

853
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:43.519
so I'm gonna get it. Yeah. But but outside of that,

854
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:44.800
I have a lot of meaning in some of them

855
00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:47.280
as well. But I do. I like, I'm a big

856
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:53.199
fan of you know, traditional American tradition and Japanese. Alex

857
00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:57.159
Garcia is my current artist over at Saxony Tattoo. He's phenomenal,

858
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:02.440
really great guy. And yeah, so that's where I fall.

859
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:05.920
I think that sometimes it's cool just to just go

860
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:08.360
do something wild, like just go do something permanent that

861
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:09.960
that maybe you might have a regret about.

862
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:10.360
Yeah.

863
00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:12.360
Yeah, I mean that's my that's my philosophy on it.

864
00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:14.519
Yeah, I can I can see that. He said, I

865
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:19.400
have exactly two. Yeah. The first one I decided to

866
00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:21.119
get when I was eighteen, and I got it when

867
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:25.639
I was forty one, Okay, and I didn't decide It

868
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:27.400
took me that long to decide what I was going

869
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:29.760
to get. Yeah, and then actually just about a week

870
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:33.280
and a half ago I had it. It was eighteen

871
00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:34.920
years old. Yeah, it almost like teen years old.

872
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:37.280
And refresh she had a refreshed as Yeah, and.

873
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:39.960
She's a wonderful job on it. It's peeling now, but

874
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:41.960
it looks great. So lastly with that and the other

875
00:42:41.960 --> 00:42:44.159
one I have is just is a Star Wars tattoo

876
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:48.920
that I got with my my bonus son, what I'm

877
00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:53.400
not actually related to, but and another friend of mine.

878
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:56.800
We all got versions of a Star Wars tattoo at

879
00:42:56.800 --> 00:42:58.679
the same time, moving in together. That was cool.

880
00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:00.639
Well that's a you know, another thing about tattoos. It

881
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:02.280
is a time stamp, and you know it's it's a

882
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:02.840
time stamp.

883
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:04.159
Yeah, that's true.

884
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:06.039
And so so every time I look at some of

885
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:08.719
my tattoos, I know exactly where I was in my

886
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:11.239
head at that moment in my life, and I feel

887
00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:12.159
like that's pretty cool.

888
00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:14.920
You know, I mean, and then for me there's a

889
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:16.920
there's a meaning, but not a deep meaning of every

890
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:20.559
one of them. But this one, I'm wearing tights because

891
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:23.239
it's sucking cold and it's peeling.

892
00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:26.119
Oh yeah, that's cool. But okay, I see the one

893
00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:26.840
on the outside.

894
00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:31.639
Yeah that's uh. This is from the cover of Kingdom

895
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:35.639
Come number four by Alex Ross. It's an alternate you know,

896
00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:39.599
it's an Elseworld's d C story and Superman has just

897
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:42.960
been fighting with you know, DC calls him Shizam now,

898
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:46.960
but it was Captain Marvel then, uh and has just

899
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:50.719
kept a an atomic I'm not gonna be able to

900
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:55.440
get that back down. Just just kept an atomic bomb

901
00:43:55.599 --> 00:44:00.280
from uh from destroying a big area with a lot

902
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:02.159
of people. And I think it was in New York.

903
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:05.119
That's okay. It's a little bit of you know, like foreshadowing.

904
00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:06.000
Yeah.

905
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:08.320
I love one of the one of the Avengers things,

906
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:12.599
and he's like, its just like he took the brunt

907
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:15.719
of this thing and he survived. That's that's the meaning

908
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:17.920
to me, is like getting to the other side of

909
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:20.480
a really bad situation. I love it. And it was

910
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:22.800
getting to the other side of a really bad situation

911
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:25.519
for me. And this one is just we we got

912
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:30.320
these because Carrie Fisher died respect respect. There was a

913
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:32.400
there's a reason. Yeah, there's a reason behind it. And

914
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:34.280
it was cool to be able to do it with,

915
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:36.719
you know, for you know, two other guys and get

916
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:38.800
our own versions of the same thing.

917
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:41.480
Yeah, I love that. I think. I think some of

918
00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:46.079
my tattoos there's been moments where I didn't really like them,

919
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:48.960
but then it came full circle where now I love

920
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:51.039
all of them. Yeah, And maybe that's a mental health

921
00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:52.719
thing where I I kind of had to go through it,

922
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:54.480
and like, I feel like I'm in a really good

923
00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:58.159
headspace now, so I really love all my decisions I've it.

924
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:00.400
It's like, this is me, this is me, this is

925
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:04.920
authentically me. On the way in here today I was

926
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:10.280
listening to a podcast episode about manifesting. Yeah, and.

927
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:14.880
I have not been the biggest believer in manifesting.

928
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:16.079
Okay, why is that?

929
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:18.440
Because it just seems like a woo woo thing, you

930
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:21.320
know whatever, it did seem like a really woo thing

931
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:21.559
to me.

932
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:23.800
I'm a big believer manifesting.

933
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:29.039
And listening to this thing. There's there are conditions around it. Okay, yeah,

934
00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:31.840
there are conditions around it for success. But it is

935
00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:34.039
successful a ridiculous amount of the time.

936
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:36.920
Oh yeah, because if you if you align yourself, that's

937
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:38.880
the key. I feel like that's the key word. You

938
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:41.679
have to align yourself with whatever that is you want

939
00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:46.000
to manifest and if you manifest it. And what I

940
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:49.800
mean by that is like, for example, when I was

941
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:53.760
promoting an engineer, I took one hundred days off of drinking.

942
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:56.480
At the time, it wasn't before I was like sober completely,

943
00:45:57.360 --> 00:45:59.960
but I stopped drinking for one hundred days. Every day

944
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:01.800
I wake up, i'd write my journal in the morning.

945
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:04.639
I am going to be an engineer. I studied every day,

946
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:08.920
I practice every day, and it came true. And so

947
00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:11.559
that to me was like me aligning but also manifesting

948
00:46:11.559 --> 00:46:11.920
in a way.

949
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:16.199
I think that's true that they this episode that I

950
00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:18.760
have not quite finished listening to yet, talked about the

951
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:21.400
fact that you can't just manifest something that you're not

952
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:22.400
actually working toward.

953
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:24.079
Yeah, that's exactly my point.

954
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:26.039
Unless it's some silly thing like the weather or whatever,

955
00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:28.119
you know what I mean, and that's hit or miss

956
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:30.320
or whatever. But you know, some people have success there.

957
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:39.039
But if you're if you're actually working toward a particular goal, manifesting,

958
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:40.920
it seems to work.

959
00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:42.599
Well, yeah, it's like it's to me, it's like no

960
00:46:42.679 --> 00:46:46.000
different than praying for a good grade in school but

961
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:48.559
not studying, probably not going to get a good grade.

962
00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:51.119
But yeah, they actually, actually they're starting a percentage of

963
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:53.840
people who manifest things who are just like that. They

964
00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:57.320
slack off instead of pursuing it because they think, oh, well,

965
00:46:57.360 --> 00:46:59.559
I'm manifesting it, so I don't have to actually do

966
00:46:59.599 --> 00:46:59.880
the work.

967
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:02.239
Yeah, but good work meets talent, with talent doesn't show

968
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:02.840
up right like.

969
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:07.039
This is correct. So my question to you is this, Uh,

970
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:11.000
what would you manifest out of what you're what you're

971
00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:15.320
trying to do right now with with your with your nonprofit.

972
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:21.239
Man, I just think that, Uh, Tim and I we

973
00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:24.079
just want to build community and good vibes. I mean,

974
00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:27.039
really that's it. We want to just we want to

975
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:30.719
be the good influence. The good influence is that that

976
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:33.239
we wish that we had when we were younger. Really,

977
00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:36.400
that's that's we want to be the men, the mentors

978
00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:38.440
that that we wish that we had when we were younger.

979
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:42.239
How many how many people do you see yourself reaching

980
00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:44.400
like in your in your manifestation?

981
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:46.719
Man, I don't. I haven't even thought. I haven't. I'm

982
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:50.760
be honest, I haven't thought about that. Well. Homework, homework,

983
00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:51.599
that's my homework for me.

984
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:55.280
Yeah, homework for sure. Yeah.

985
00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:57.639
To be honest, we're just we're taking it step by step,

986
00:47:57.639 --> 00:47:59.679
and we wanted to be authentic, so we're not really

987
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:02.639
trying to rush it. We're just trying to like in

988
00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:05.960
everything that we do, we want it to be you know,

989
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:09.360
with thought and care, you know, that's that's important to us.

990
00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:13.400
Okay, you're actually one last silly question, all right, Carol, Okay,

991
00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:15.920
go to song, Go to song.

992
00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:18.800
What's the vibe? What? Oh yeah, what's the What am

993
00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:19.519
I getting ready for?

994
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:20.840
Hmm?

995
00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:23.800
That's that's very important.

996
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:27.599
It's very important. Damn yeah, I didn't ready for getting.

997
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:27.840
Ready for a set?

998
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:29.039
Thank you? Thank you?

999
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:29.880
What kind of set?

1000
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:32.920
Like like a pr or know I'm talking about like

1001
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:33.719
like you DJing?

1002
00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:37.280
Oh, okay, getting ready for a set? Lately it's been

1003
00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:41.840
I've been listening to albums straight through and lately, like

1004
00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:45.679
when I played in San Francisco on Saturday, I was

1005
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:49.159
listening to Liquid Swords by jiz Oh and that was

1006
00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:52.239
that's a that's a that's a good one. The specifically

1007
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:55.440
the song Fourth Chamber. In the beginning, he has got

1008
00:48:55.480 --> 00:49:00.280
a quote from Showgun's Assassin and basically, I'm gonna mess

1009
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:03.239
this up, but basically it's like choose choose the ball

1010
00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:05.719
or choose the sword. And what he means by that is,

1011
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:07.519
if you choose the ball, you choose to be a boy.

1012
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:09.320
But if you choose the sword, you're gonna step up

1013
00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:11.840
and be a man in life. And I think that

1014
00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:14.360
that's what I've been kind of like at my age

1015
00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:17.440
right now, I've been like thinking about that a lot.

1016
00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:20.039
And you know who else quoted that was Louis Simmons

1017
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:22.679
and Westside Barbill. Oh shit, really in the documentary?

1018
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:25.880
Yeah? Oh yeah, yeah, you know I named that documentary.

1019
00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:28.079
Wow, it's great documentary.

1020
00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:30.199
I didn't know I was naming it at the time,

1021
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:33.199
but I did. I did. Michael's a friend of mine,

1022
00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:36.199
the director, okays, a friend of mine.

1023
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:38.840
But yeah, I mean that album has been really cool early.

1024
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:41.760
And then another you know, I'm a big Tool fan.

1025
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:45.400
I love Tool. Yeah, but if I'm doing a pr

1026
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:48.920
like I'm having to get after it in the gym, Yeah,

1027
00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:52.079
it's Kobla Khan okay, gooble con textas.

1028
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:55.679
Yeah, see, best you have an answer this question.

1029
00:49:57.920 --> 00:49:58.599
Ah shit.

1030
00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:01.239
Recently I've been I've been listening to like a lot

1031
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:03.679
of I don't know, if you know who Vince Staples is. No,

1032
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:06.800
Vince Staples is like a long beach rapper Okay, yeah,

1033
00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:10.360
so I like, for example, I've been biking like very often. Yeah,

1034
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:12.480
and I throw some of like his music on because

1035
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:16.239
it's like when I first started listening to him, you you,

1036
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:20.639
he was like street it's kind of Larry June.

1037
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:23.800
I guess you can kind of you can kind of

1038
00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:24.599
West Coast.

1039
00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:27.519
Yeah, West Coast, but more like Laka more La and

1040
00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:29.840
like gang related that type of stuff.

1041
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:30.039
Yeah.

1042
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:31.760
Yeah, when I first started listening to him, it was

1043
00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:37.320
like twenty sixteen, seventeen, but seeing like his growth from

1044
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:39.519
you can listen to one of his albums when he

1045
00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:42.320
first started till like now, you're just like, oh shit,

1046
00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:44.079
now he's making like movies, movies.

1047
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:45.239
Yeah, the growth is crazy.

1048
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:45.559
Yeah.

1049
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:48.639
So like playing one of his earlier albums to one

1050
00:50:48.679 --> 00:50:50.480
of his like more recent ones, I'm like, oh, and

1051
00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:52.280
it keeps getting better and it keeps on getting it

1052
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:52.880
to me personally.

1053
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:56.320
That's pretty cool. That's that's I feel like that's there's

1054
00:50:56.360 --> 00:50:59.760
only a few select artists in history that continue to

1055
00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:02.840
climb like that. Yeah, that's cool though. Yeah, that's really cool.

1056
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:04.920
Back in the day, back in the end days, we

1057
00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:07.320
had a like I actually I had lifted with him

1058
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:10.960
in the in the Bay Area and conquered too who

1059
00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:17.320
would bring in like old school underground Oakland rap and

1060
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:20.119
played in here And you know, I'm not the biggest

1061
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:20.880
fan of rap, and I.

1062
00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:22.159
Liked that stuff a lot.

1063
00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:25.800
For some reason it just like it. I think it's

1064
00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:29.039
just the level of authenticity. Oh so much rap is

1065
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:33.239
just like you know, posturing totally and crap, and this

1066
00:51:33.440 --> 00:51:35.880
is like like, oh yeah, I believe that that that

1067
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.280
could happen. I believe that did happen. I believe that

1068
00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:39.519
this is your life because it's real.

1069
00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:42.760
Yeah, they talk about it the way. Yeah, the emotion

1070
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:44.920
that it kind of gives off, and this is.

1071
00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:47.920
Stuff that never caught anywhere other than just local, you know,

1072
00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:50.800
like he would just have burnt CDs and come in

1073
00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:53.519
with them and play it was amazing.

1074
00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:55.440
Yeah, that's cool. That's cool.

1075
00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:58.400
So my answer is something it just has to be

1076
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:01.880
something in my range, which is not odd so good.

1077
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:02.840
It's good to be king.

1078
00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:06.239
Okay, Tom Petty, Okay, I love it, just totally. Just yeah,

1079
00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:06.920
I love Tom Petty.

1080
00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:09.239
It's just like goes this. It's it's there's this many notes,

1081
00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:09.679
it's like this.

1082
00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:12.679
Yeah, that's it. That's awesome.

1083
00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:15.320
All right, Chad, Well, thank you very much. Where can

1084
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:17.199
people find you if you want people to find you?

1085
00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:23.079
Okay? Uh, My personal instagram is Turquoise Drive and then

1086
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:26.920
it's rooted above and underscore is between the rooted part

1087
00:52:26.920 --> 00:52:30.119
and above okay, but yeah, and we came up with

1088
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:33.039
that name because it means to be rooted above all else.

1089
00:52:33.559 --> 00:52:35.800
So oh okay, that's how we came up with that name,

1090
00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:36.840
to be rooted above all else.

1091
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:37.480
That makes sense.

1092
00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:42.960
Yeah, got that, sibas Sebastian underscore brand Bila on I.

1093
00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:46.079
G I am at dj McNee on all the social media.

1094
00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:48.039
This show is fifty percent facts for percent is a

1095
00:52:48.039 --> 00:52:49.760
word and fifty is just numbers. See I say that

1096
00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:53.840
because that's that's that's like social media and and the

1097
00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:59.159
website don't let you use a percent sign. So anyway, I.

1098
00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:02.760
Should probably mention, Uh, it's r U T D, not

1099
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:05.840
r o O T. That's what that's that's important. That's important,

1100
00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:07.519
That is important. Yeah, are U T E D.

1101
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:09.079
I'll be sure to put that in the s. All right,

1102
00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:13.400
all right, thanks, Okay, this show is fifty percent facts,

1103
00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:16.360
where percent is the word and fifty is just numbers.

1104
00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:18.639
For fifty percent facts of the speaker of pri podcast

1105
00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:21.119
association with our art media on the Obscure Celebrity Network

1106
00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:23.039
and I will talk to you again later.

1107
00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:24.079
Cool.

1108
00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:26.320
Thanks man, that was awesome.

1109
00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:26.840
Cool?

1110
00:53:27.159 --> 00:53:27.480
Is that good?

1111
00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:27.800
Yeah?

1112
00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:28.280
Yeah? All right?

1113
00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:30.760
Cool that I've never done this beforeant well