Creed (2015) | A 50% Facts Review

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Welcome. So since we just did
Rocky, we decided that we would do

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Creed and look at the kind of
you know, we'll do our our our

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film studies paper on the compare and
contrast with with Rocky, Comparing contrast the

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one essays I maybe enjoyed as a
high school student. Yeah, yeah,

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I don't know why, just because
it gives you, like shit, you

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don't have to like there's like two
pieces of things that you absorb, yeah,

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and then yeah, you just chat
about it, or like a report

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on a single person, I gotta
read his whole life and then you know,

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then it feels like I'm just regurgitating
ship where a compare and contrast feels

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like I get to think. Yeah, and there's also like structural things,

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you know, and you can you
can make a list of stuff that,

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yeah, that you know is either
the same or different or different different in

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what ways between the two different things, or choose a category you could Obviously

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we're doing movies, so you could
just compare contrast, storytelling, just compared

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characters, just Camberian contrast. Yeah, filmography, Yeah, depending on how

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how long your film paper has to
be. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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So we got seb As in here
tapping in a Creed fan himself. First

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off, I'd like to say that
maybe one of my top this is gonna

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be a huge statement, top ten
favorite actors is in this thing. And

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it ain't Michael B. It ain't
Michael B. It's this del Phi boxing

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coach. Oh yeah, yeah,
I remember the Titans. Yeah, yeah,

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so good. I guess he is
that Creed's coaches kid. Would maybe

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he's not in it much obviously.
He becomes more of a character in two

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and three, I believe, Yeah, which I haven't seen a long time

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either. Actually I just saw three
on the semi while ago, but two

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I haven't watched it a long time. He was the same guy was in

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Wood Harris. Is that his name? Yeah, A little Duke Burton,

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Yeah, little Duke Burton. Yeah
he's in He's in that Lakers series.

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Yeah yeah, just to remember the
Titans. Old for it though, but

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he was really good. I love
him. Remember the Titans. And then

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you recently met my buddy Henry,
who was a senior when I was a

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freshman in high school. And for
some reason, he always reminded me of

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Henry, Like he's he's goofy but
doesn't always want to show it. He's

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a great leader, he's he's not
like stoic, but he's like kind of

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stoic, you know. And obviously, remember the Titans is the character maybe

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that reminds me of it most because
of the sports relationships. Yeah, but

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yeah, it's interesting to watch these
close together, to see Rocky in both

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of them, because my major complaint
of Rocky One was that I don't know

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who Rocky is. Yeah, like, is he dumb and slow? Is

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he a brute? Is he kind
of charismatic and kind of funny? Is

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he wise? And then these movies
obviously he's much older, but they really

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I think they nail who Rocky is
or who I want him to be better

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in Creed than they do in these
other movies. Oh by far, Yeah

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he's far. He's awesome in Creed. Yeah he's really really. I mean,

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this is why he's the only only
actor to be nominated in the Lead

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Actor category and Supporting act Actor character
category for the same character. Oh.

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I never knew that, but that
makes sense. Yeah, you know,

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I mean Rocky One doesn't really make
sense to me still, but I wasn't

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alive when it came out, so
it's hard for me to it was the

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vibe of movies. It was just
it was very game changing at the time

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it was. It was a movie
definitely of its time, whereas this movie

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is definitely of its time as well. I don't think you could have made

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Creed the way Creed is back in
seventy five seventy six. Yeah. Yeah,

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there's so much going on. Yeah, but talk about like pace.

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Yeah, pace is outstanding in this
movie. There's only you're always in.

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Yeah, you're either in on her
story, you're in on their love story,

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you're in on his boxing story,
or you're in on his mom's story.

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There's always a story that's filled out. It's not even like because sometimes

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people will bread crumb stories to make
it feel like there's a lot going on.

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Yeah, you know some Star Wars
stuff, the newer ones, Right,

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they're just like throwing bread crumbs and
you don't really know what's going on.

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But this one, they have full
stories around each character and like a

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perfect amount of time. Yeah,
Bianca so much better character than Adrian was

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in the first movie. Yeah.
The actress is obviously pretty solid. Yeah,

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and the story itself and the character
development is so good. Yeah,

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and it gets even better. I
think two and three she gets filled out

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more and it's really good. Yeah, just to sort of hit the high

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points of the story itself. We
learn very early in this movie that Apollo

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Creed, who died in Rocky four
four four, I think, yeah,

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Drago in the beginning of four.
I believe that's correct. Yeah, he

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had an affair with another woman who
was not Marianne his wife. Yeah,

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and had a child who was born
after he died in the ring. And

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then that that he I maybe never
knew about. It's not clear. That

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is unclear. It sounds yeah,
it sounds like no, because I think

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he died before he was even born, So it's in like that training camp,

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probably, yeah, potentially. Yeah. What we don't know is how

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so his his mother died when he
was ten? Is that right? He

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says young? Yeah, I don't
know. But he talks about going to

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like, yeah, foster homes,
Yeah, in and out of Foster Homes,

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in and out of Juvie. And
then Mary Anne Creed finds him.

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Is she she's a sitcom mom?
Right? Yeah? That was she.

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Felicia Rashad was the wife on Cosby, Okay, and Cosby is another thing.

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I just didn't watch a ton of
first Michael B. Jordan was on

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Cosby as a baby or something,
a baby, but he was he was

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a kid. But yeah, because
I wonder how old Michael B. Jordan?

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This movie is, what mid twenties? You think? I believe he's

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somewhere between twenty five and thirty.
He's younger than Rocky was in Rocky Michael

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B himself or you mean Donnas Donna's
Yeah, Donnas. They make it seem

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like he's up, has a chance
to become up and coming obviously. Yeah,

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so I would imagine, yeah,
mid twenties and Rocky's thirty. But

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I wonder where Michael B is because
he looks young. Yeah, I don't

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know. And it's probably similar time
when Creed come out twenty fifteen, Frue

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filifteen, Fruitvale Station is twenty twelve
probably, And obviously Michael B. Had

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a career. He's been acting his
whole life, but those these two movies

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I feel like kind of put him
on right, like Fruitvale was one of

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his Like, oh shit, this
couldn act some serious shit. Michael B.

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Jordan middle of three children. Born
in Santa Ana, California, raised

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in Newark, New Jersey, that's
an interesting combination of places to grow up.

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Son of Donna Davis, a high
school counselor, and Michael A.

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Jordan. His middle name, Bakari, means noble promise in Swahili. Interesting

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he is related to Michael Jordan's in
the movie Yeah Greed was yeah. Oh

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no, Michael b was acting twenty
eight. Michael b was twenty eight because

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he looks younger, right, yeah, he was born Yeah, he was

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born in eighty seven. Oh,
he's fucking my age. I was born

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in eighty eight. Yeah, the
two sexiest men in the world. That's

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crazy. He's up twenty We do
have a lot of like me and Michael

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B Man that was crazy. Both
jacked both on our thirties. Yeah,

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he's probably thirty six thirty seven right
now. He was homeschooled but allowed to

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play on the basketball team in New
Jersey's Newark Arts High School. Nerd.

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Yeah, art the art sports.
Yeah, he could have gone to what

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we were just talking about where Low
and them went. Luel grew up in

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Newark, New Jersey. He didn't
grow up, but he did high school.

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That he did high school because and
he came through the UK, right,

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yeah, yeah, yeah, so
Charlie Villanuevo's an NBA All Star.

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Yeah, they got a bunch of
freaks out there in Jersey. He was

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in Toys, r us Ads and
Model's Sporting Goods. Yeah, I just

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knew he was like in it.
Even Disney Channel, Baby, did you

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have a little Disney Channel show or
run? I believe I wanted to get

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there in a second huge anime fan
and I read this the other day.

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We're not covering Creed three, but
Creed three is structurally an anime. M

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I heard that when it came out. Interesting, try to tap all the

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nerds in that's why it's slower.
Oh probably maybe, yeah, because anime

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is kind of slow for like the
zoomers to be into it all. Even

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Dragon Ball. Yeah, it's a
long game. Yeah. He was in

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the second Fantastic four. Yeah,
terrible. Yeah, it was not a

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good movie. I mean, I
don't know if the first was any better,

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but that one was bad. Yeah, first one was maybe better.

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You get Jessica album and she's like
half naked in it. That's kind of

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worth the whole movie. She's a
visit girl, and I think her clothes

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like going visible or whatever. You
know, that's that's a trick. Yeah,

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Scalva's worth for sure. He was, Yeah, because that was our

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queen. That was top oh line, Yeah that she was it forever.

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Yeah, she was it forever.
At around at the same time as this,

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I guess he was offered the role
of doctor Dre and straight out of

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Compton. Oh he kind of has
it a little bit. Yeah yeah,

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straight up. Comfort was all right, I think I know that thing got

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so much love. That was all
right. I liked it so uh,

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Marianna doobts Adonnis Johnson. His last
name is Johnson, which seems around age

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eight nine, ten, eleven,
twelve. Yeah, yeah, probably preteen

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for sure. Yeah, pre hypes
but obviously in a rough place and wants

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to fight everybody already. Yeah.
Yeah, he's knocking people out in Juvie.

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Obviously got through Juvie because of violence. You get the vibe. And

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then but as soon as she kind
of says who she is and that he

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has a dad, you could you
know again that kid's a good actor too.

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They kind of like change its facial
expressions. You're like, all right,

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this kid has a heart and them
you know, there's good, there's

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good in him. Still, I
feel it. Yeah, you know what

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I mean, it's a Star Wars
never finally come on, come on a

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little bit, just im just testing
you. Uh. Then there's a time

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jump and he is working a corporate
job, but he's fighting in Mexico and

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he's living with his mom. It
seems like he's living with mom maybe,

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which Creed is obviously rich as Ship
Yeah, yeah, she's just fine.

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Yeah she did find she's not she's
not poor. Yeah. And this fake

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world that we're in, which I
do like they tie in like a real

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ESPN HTI and ship I kind of
like one. It's like that because it

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feels real. And they talk about
Creed being one of the best fighters of

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all time and in the conversation for
the best, so they throw them in,

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which you know, kind of works
out right, like in the world

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if you go, like Muhammad Ali's
kind of on the way out, Creed

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and Rocky are on the way in. Yeah, and then Mike Tyson probably

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took over, and then now we're
into you know, like the timelines do

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kind of line up where it is
a possibility. But yeah, they talk

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about it being the greatest ever.
Holy I don't know what that was.

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It was a trash can falling on
the lid. Okay, yeah, and

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it's yeah, he's fighting Mexico for
twenty bucks. He's figuring it out,

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Yeah, trying to brawl. His
mom doesn't obviously want him to fight because

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she lost her husband who died in
the ring. Yeah, of course,

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right, of course. And and
I just don't know dad stuff. First

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thing, I cried this whole movie, the entire thing, front to back.

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I cried. I'm gonna tell you
that every time I've I've probably seen

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this movie three or four times,
yea, every time it gets me.

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Yeah, I cried every time whenever. And I've mentioned all these movie reviews.

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You do if you mix sports and
you mix dad stuff, like I'm

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gonna cry, yeah, And he's
doing all that. So I don't understand

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what I don't understand. And that's
this whole group, the whole fucking company

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here has dad issues. You know, everyone's got dad issues in here.

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They Uh, I don't know if
I've never met my dad. If I'm

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going to like love boxing, yeah, unless it's just I think that we're

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we're led to believe that there is
some genetic thing, right, and maybe

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a hard thing. Maybe I do. Maybe there is something like fuck to

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my dad. Was that guy like, fuck, I gotta go box?

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And it might have something to do
with how old he was when he found

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out who his dad was, right, because he did. He's like twelve.

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Yeah, he was not told and
then of all of a sudden,

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you think it's cool and started and
you've already been punching kids in the parking

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lot. Yeah. The other thing
about this they show, basically until the

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very end, that he's very self
taught and he just watches videos. Yeah,

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which is kind of cool and kind
of true. I think I talk

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about this on podcasts and off often
that like supposedly Bones Jones, who is

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the best pound for pound MM fighter
in the history of MMA, literally like

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learn muay Thai on YouTube, right, and you know, like is insane,

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so like it's not that crazy to
think. And so when he gets

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into training, all he's asking for
is like crumbs, Hey, give me

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a tip, give me a drill, give me Yeah, because he's he

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knows he's knocking out random fools pretty
good in Mexico. Self taught gives him

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a lot of confidence. Yeah,
he he quits his job and wants to

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box full time, and mom is
not happy with that. Yeah, I

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wonder what that was. What's the
line there? Or no, what the

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line was that like tip that edge? I don't know. I just I

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didn't go to uh Delphi boxing right
then before or after he quit. It

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was after, it was after,
because I wonder if that's the tipping point.

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I think it's so. Well,
that is Dad's trainer's son who he

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thought would be his mentor told him
no, right, and so he said,

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oh no, and then it gives
you throws the bird and says all

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right, well then I'm going all
in. I'm gonna show you, right.

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I wonder if that's the tipper Yeah. I did a thing to note.

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Delphi is the was the home of
Apollo literally yeah, in Greek pathology.

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Yeah that's too yeah, both and
and the hotel that they stay in

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in Liverpool, Yeah, is the
Adelphi hotel. Same thing. I didn't

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see that same but I knew the
Delphi And then I looked up a front

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street where he ends up training.
We don't have to go pace by pace

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because there's a million little jumps in
between there. Although they all like that

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doesn't feel crammed in the movie.
No, although a million things kind of

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happened right away to kind of set
up what's happening. But training for his

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championship fight, he goes to Front
Street Boxing. Yeah, and there's something

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in the back of my head because
when I was with Rebok, there was

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some kind of I don't know,
I don't want to say charity, but

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there was like a story that Reebok
did and Reebuck did a bunch of cool

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things with the communities in Boston that
weren't doing so good, Like we went

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and went to a foster kids home
and like redid their garden one day,

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a bunch of athletes, which was
cool and it was fun because they're all

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like, it's all my buddies that
like we all just deadlift to five fifty

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together and so we all know we're
physically capable, and so we're just smash

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and dirt around like we're crushing the
shit. You know. Jen was there,

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like we're just bob in on this
thing. Just redid this whole lawn.

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So they did a lot of outreach, and I know they did something

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I thought it was called Front Street
Boxing in Boston, So some rang in

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my head. I was like,
Oh, I wonder if that's fucking real

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and I googled it and it's definitely
real in Philadelphia. The building, the

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inside all like a legit boxing gym, which is cool. So where he

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trains there with Rocky and some random
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let me get to that in just
a second. Like initially goes to to

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Philadelphia, he goes to Mickey's gym, yeah, which he kicks him out

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halfway. Yeah, because yeah,
Mickey's. Mickey's gym is the gym from

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Rocky and the thing that's very weird
and curious about it is that in one

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of the later Rockies, after Mickey
dies, he leaves the gym to Rocky.

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Sure, so it seems very possible
that Rocky still owns that gym,

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But I think maybe the memories are
too much there and so he can't be

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there. So he's got the other
guy Everyone's dead running it. Yeah everywhere.

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Wife dies, So we find out
that Creed obviously died in the ring,

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which ends up being Rocky's best friend, Pauli. His other best friend

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dies maybe from AOL way. Yeah, his wife yeah dies. So if

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I'm Rocky, I'm not want to
box either. Yeah. Create creator Adonnish,

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Michael B. Shows up to his
restaurant, which is like a funny

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thing that he's a restaurant owner.
Yeah, when you consider the lavish lifestyle

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they had in California. Yeah,
he's got money somewhere. Probably. I'm

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sure he still has money. I
don't think that that's a question. I

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think that's like the storyline is that
Rocky like just doesn't want that life.

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He just chooses to live the way
he wants. He's happy. This is

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where he's from. Yeah, he
has a little bar. He just kind

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of hangs out. It looks like
it's an Italian bar. I could tell

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by the you might not know this
sebos. It's not very common on the

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West Coast, but those tablecloth,
the checker tape is just fucking Italian Italian.

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Yeah, you're just getting the best
pizza of your life and the best

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salad you've ever had at a spot
like that. Every Italian spot. My

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dad's best friend in Portland, who's
a New York Italian cat, owned one.

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Like everything in Cleveland, all the
little Italian joints have those, like

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just so typical. And obviously other
people use it too, like it's kind

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of a typical picnic blanket. It
is a typical pattern, but hella Italian

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spots and obviously they lean into Rocky's
Italians in rock or slies Italians in Rocky

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in Rocky. And it really shows
at the end here his nose got bigger.

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He talks better than he did in
Rocky, like he's just so Italian,

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all the wise shit he's saying to
him, all the silly jokes he's

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playing with him and his girlfriend through
and the whole thing, like you have

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very Italian uncle vibes. Yeah he
Oh god, I was gonna say.

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He doesn't want to doesn't want a
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so he takes him to the other
place just because of the fight though,

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right, yeah, just because of
the fight. But I think also,

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I think there's more to it,
and I think you just don't know.

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So who's running the gym at Mickey's
son is supposedly the best kid in Philly

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at the time, and that guy
finds out I don't know how Oh,

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he called Marianne, called Mary Anne. He he does some investigative work and

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finds out Michael B. Jordan is
Creed's kid. Yeah, that's been on

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the low. He goes by Johnson
he doesn't want the world to know,

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which is understandable too. And then, uh, the guy who runs the

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boxing match thinks it's probably just a
trampoline for his son to beat a Creed,

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so sets up this fight in which
Rocky doesn't want Creed training there and

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decides to kind of train him.
Yeah, and but when he brings him

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into that Front Street gym and that
that group of guys comes over, that

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is the realist moment I think in
the whole cool and this is a very

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realistic movie in a lot of ways. But that was super real because those

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people, those guys felt like that
that was their real job. And I

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know you know Stitch right, uh
yeah, like the real Stitch. Yeah

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yeah, yeah, do you know
Stitch. So the cut man that is

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part of his training team at the
Front Street is known as the best cutman

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in m m A. Oh yeah, he's a real cutman. He works

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in the UFC. He left or
got fired. There's something weird there,

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something, Yeah, something weird happened
with the UFC. But he was like

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famous in the UFC for being the
corner guy. So he's is legitimate.

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That's why all of his hand business
around that is so perfect. Yeah,

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it's just completely believable because he's the
best. He's really doing it. He's

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really doing it. Speaking of that, when they tell him how many fingers

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the guy's holding up, Yeah,
it's so good. I don't remember watching

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that the first time I do.
That's that's really really clever. Yeah,

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it's cool because I think in the
UFC, at least, because the UFC

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is such a big league, you
don't have your own cutman. They provide

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him, and that's who Stitch was. But in boxing, yeah, I

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think it's part of your creer,
part of your career. Yeah, I

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pretty much it has to be right. Yeah, yeah, because even sparring,

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you're gonna fucking jack up your knuckles
and ship. But when when he

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brought him in there and the way
those guys were like semi circled around him,

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and you could just like feel how
supportive they were. Like this guy,

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you know, he's nobody, but
at the same time he's the son

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of somebody, and the love for
rockies so deep is so Yeah, it's

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oh my god. I mean,
talk about the first really emotional scene to

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me, and that was that one. It's like, now, these guys,

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these guys are going to take care
of him. They're regardless, They're

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gonna take care of him. The
roots on Rocky are cool in the city

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because they they show that he's like
a local hero, but he's not a

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celebrity, you know, like everyone
knows them, everyone kind of respects them,

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but no one bugs them. And
even same thing with Creed in a

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sense where even the girlfriend eventually finds
out, you know, Michael B.

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Jordan's a Creed and like how famous
he is? They play all that up.

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I do wonder, like worldwide how
famous Rocky is because they make it

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that Creed is the greatest of all
time, and then Rocky's like famous for

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everyone says what's up, Like,
oh, I didn't know your uncle was

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Rocky Balboa, Like she knows,
but she's from Philly, So is he

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just like a Philly legend or is
he like the guy? Because that's a

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true thing, like you can have
the like boxing is just as big now

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as ever, Like there's money flowing
everywhere, and I can't name a champ,

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you know what I mean, So
like Rocky could have been the champ

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and no one really knows besides Philly
like grabbed on to him. Maybe you

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know. I don't know, you
know, cause it is such a local

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thing and that's so cool. Like
with every city. Obviously, Philadelphia is

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a giant city, and they show
some better parts of it this time versus

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Rocky One. They just literally show
the hood yea here, even though they

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try to show some of that culture
with Meek Mill rap and all the guys

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on motorbikes, which is a very
meek mial thing. I know it's a

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very Philly thing, but Meek Mill
made that really cool on the internet.

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I think it's actually how he got
arrested in New York. He was screaming

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around on all of those bikes.
Yeah, but they show like the Philly

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culture, they show the hip hop
culture. They show the evolution of boxing,

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which did start to intertwine with hip
hop culture in the nineties and two

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ks, So I thought all that
was kind of cool too. Where I

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don't know if they're I mean,
it probably is Italian. I don't know.

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Maybe it's just a coincidence that Rocky's
Italian and my uncle was from Italy

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that was a pro boxer. But
I feel like there is an Italian American

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root of boxing too. In like
the World War two Ish era with Rocky

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owning a restaurant and essentially like he
owns a restaurant and he's essentially the host.

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He's not yeah, he's not really
running it, no. I mean

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you see him hosting kind of and
you see him packing stuff from a van.

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It was the only work you see. But yeah, that's that's only

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work you see for sure. But
in Raging Bull, Jay Clematta, as

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a retired fighter owns a restaurant,
owns a restaurant. Interesting, yeah,

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yeah, and that's kind of very
Italian too, Yeah right, oh for

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sure, like Irish folks. Yeah, I might open a bar or something

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and fucking Italian folks opian restaurant.
Yeah, because I mean the generation,

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that's where things start to get really
tight. And on the West Coast,

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you know, for Sebos or other
people that grew up there, it's very

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normal to have like immigrant type families
where like half our members their parents moved

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here from the Philippines or whatever.
But on the East Coast that happened much,

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that happened one hundred years ago,
and so that's very common for me

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because my family's tied into that.
You know, my family literally floated over

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from Italy. Onto Ellis Island.
You know, like that's all very true,

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and like I understand it, but
West Coasters might not understand that that's

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Rocky is that generation, right,
Like his dad probably floated over and so

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he had to come up. That's
why he grew up poor. Probably that's

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how he had to build a career
kind of thing on the West coast.

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Again, they're so so common to
the diversity. But back there, Yeah,

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the Italians and the Irish were the
they're only immigrants. Yeah, they

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were the immigrants in the early nineteen
hundreds. And just my family came so

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long, like so long before Ellis
Island. So yeah, it's a totally

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different or like Boston, totally different
experience. Yeah, the Carolinas or whatever

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in Virginia and yeah, the first
whatever, the Colonially what I was I

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gonna say, the love story is
a million times better. Yeah, it's

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creed than it is in Rocky because
I don't want to say it's because neither

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one of them seem like they're on
the spectrum. But yeah, I mean

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obviously Adrians Adrian obviously isn't charismatic,
No, and so like you can like

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movies to not show charismatic people just
seems backwards, like, yeah, you

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want to set the scene, but
if it's a main character, that's awkward,

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like why are we filming that?
Yeah, you know, it just

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doesn't really make sense. Yeah,
but Youanka has a lot of walls,

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yeah, boundaries, and you start
to dig into it a little bit more

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in the upcoming movies. But this
one they show her and she mentions her

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becoming deaf. Yeah, she's has
progressive hearing loss. She wears hearing it.

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She's a musician trying to make it. And maybe that's some of the

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just like East Coast shit too,
you know, like they always talk about

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We've talked about it here too.
There's a comedian that did it. I

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just don't know who, but always
talks about the difference between being nice and

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being kind, and they talk about
a lot of the East Coasters are truly

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kind. They'll come off cold and
they'll tell you you're a fucking idiot,

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but they're gonna help you change the
tire on your car. Where in California

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per se, people would say there, everyone's so nice. They'll see you

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with the flat tire and they'll say
like, oh my gosh, I'm so

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sorry. That's so inconvenient and then
they'll speed off. Yeah, you know,

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and that's just so true and so
like I think she's kind of a

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representation of that. Like you can
tell her her heart's kind, like she's

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really sweet, but like she doesn't
want to let him in the house.

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She doesn't let them take on a
date. She's like, no, fuck

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you, buddy, let me do
my thing. I'm over here. It's

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kind of like a New York versus
California joke, and Philly is obviously a

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giant city, but it's basically fucking
New York. Same people, same ship,

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Yes, same general idea. Yeah, cold fucking hard working folk.

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So yeah, they build her character
good. They do build that good.

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Although like the love scenes are fast, you know, like they have one

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date and all of a sudden they're
going to Rocky's house and she's at the

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boxing matches and he's at the music
thing. Yeah, it was It was

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interesting that that parts definitely interesting.
Interesting the way that that Donnie Adonnas was

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able to push Rocky in the direction
he wanted him to go. Yeah,

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he I wouldn't say it was manipulative
because it was too obvious to be manipulat

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manipulative when I think it comes from
a genuine spot, Like he calls him

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unk, like lovingly. He knows
that it was his dad's best friend.

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Yeah, like he knows there was
ties there. And that's where like this

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movie just is better than Rocky sadly
because there's there's like emotional ties there.

405
00:26:56.440 --> 00:27:02.119
Rockies, everyone in his life that
he loved is dead, Adonnis, everyone

406
00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:06.799
in his life that he knew or
should have loved is never around, you

407
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:08.240
know. So for them to have
like that, it's like Creed is their

408
00:27:08.440 --> 00:27:15.160
mutual tie. And and and if
you ever lost anyone that like died or

409
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:18.680
like lost someone that you loved,
there is a tie there. Like there's

410
00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:22.799
some friends that I had that were
mutual friends with my best friend who passed,

411
00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:26.599
and like there's just always something there, like, oh, like you

412
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:29.079
knew Jared, like you knew my
best friend, you know, like you

413
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:32.240
spent time with him. There's always
something there. And so I think that's

414
00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:37.240
kind of this Creed. Yeah,
Rocky's lost, Rocky's just fucking running the

415
00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:40.480
clock. And he talks about dying
and it obviously ends up he has cancer

416
00:27:40.519 --> 00:27:41.319
and he talks about like, yeah, man, everyone's gone, Like I'll

417
00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:45.920
die right now, Like, I
don't give a fuck U. Those scenes

418
00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:49.400
were honestly hard to watch too.
Well. Him going to the graves.

419
00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:56.640
I don't really visit graves. Most
people I love were cremated and I don't

420
00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:00.920
even know where they are. Uh, but but it just seems so raw,

421
00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:04.559
Like he just sits there and he's
just mumbling his words. He's like

422
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:08.720
vogging. Yeah, he keeps a
chair hanging in the tree. Yeah.

423
00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:11.039
I love that. Yeah, he's
just reading the newspaper. He's like,

424
00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:14.519
let's see what's going on today.
He just wants to kick it, you

425
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:15.920
know. Yeah. Yeah, because
he's got no one. He's got no

426
00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:18.799
one. And so for I think
him to come out of his shell once

427
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:22.640
he sees that Donnie isn't just there
for fame or something, I think,

428
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:26.039
you know, he had to feel
him out a little bit. So before

429
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:32.359
this movie started filming, Uh,
Sage Stallone died of a heart attack.

430
00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:36.079
His son. Oh, I didn't
know that. And so because he's in

431
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:38.440
you know, like we said,
he's in Rocky four and five or five.

432
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:44.200
Yeah, and then he's played by
somebody else in Rocky Balboa. Yeah

433
00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:48.160
that's crazy. We didn't know that. Yeah, and he he nearly had

434
00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:53.559
a full breakdown over it, and
Coogler was able to convince him to use

435
00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:59.240
that film as a dedication to his
son. So a lot of the ship

436
00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:03.519
that you see him working through,
you see Rocky working through. I think

437
00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:06.759
that a lot of that is stallone
working through some of the same kind of

438
00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:11.640
issues. Probably true. I mean, yeah, the mental the mental hurdles

439
00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:17.119
he probably went through as an actor, like human. Yeah, and we

440
00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:19.359
see a parallel, we see a
picture of Sage, just a little kid.

441
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:23.599
Yeah, and they mentioned it.
Yeah, this is just a side.

442
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:30.200
You know what. Rocky is a
nickname for Robert. I never heard

443
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:34.759
that it's universally except you've got a
Robbie or rob or whatever. You can

444
00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:38.799
be Rocky. I worked with a
Rocky and his Uh, he's had a

445
00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:42.799
female Rocky too. That might have
been just her name though probably his.

446
00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:48.359
Uh. His son's name is Robert, so he's or my dog. Rocky's

447
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:51.920
a good name. D is a
pretty good name. And so it was

448
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:56.519
Donnie. Yeah, Adonna's call him
Donnie. It's a good name. Adonna's

449
00:29:56.599 --> 00:29:59.400
is a bit much. It's it's
a little bit of a mouthful. I

450
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:02.880
realized why it was done, but
with just like even dogs, like a

451
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:06.200
lot of people name the dog Zeus, and I just grew up learning about

452
00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:08.519
all that. It just feels weird. Yeah, And I know, different

453
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:11.160
cultures and different and some people just
don't care. And it's not like I'm

454
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:15.559
fucking I don't pray to Zeus,
but it just feels weird. You know,

455
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:18.519
even naming my dog Jesus, that
would feel weird. You know,

456
00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:21.519
That's what I was gonna say.
Different culture is kind of normal. The

457
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:22.960
name your Kidjyeshu's. But yeah,
like to me, for some reason,

458
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:26.640
all that gets a little weird.
So Donnis is a cool tie, but

459
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.880
then you just call him Donnie and
then it doesn't feel as weird. Yeah.

460
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:37.839
Uh. This was the first,
uh, first Rocky film that was

461
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.720
not written by Sylvester Stilone, first
rocketing you know, extension. It's I

462
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:45.240
think we talked about this a little
bit before. It's probably the most seamless

463
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:49.319
like handoff. Yeah, it's good. There's a lot of Again, the

464
00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:53.400
character building is good, the stories
within them feel real and like emotional.

465
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:57.799
The music, the fighting itself is
good. There's more training and more fighting,

466
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:00.079
right, if you're gonna make a
boxing movie, which they did in

467
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:03.759
twenty fifteen versus the seventies. You're
gonna have to keep someone's attention. So

468
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:07.519
there's a lot more gym stuff,
there's a lot more training stuff. The

469
00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:14.000
music's turned up into like a hip
hop vibe, much deeper culture. Again

470
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:18.000
that the Conlin it's a BACKU.
Conlin's vibes are like kind of like Creed's

471
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:22.079
in a sense where like he's only
in there like ten seconds, but he's

472
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:23.640
a big part of the whole thing. Yeah, the Creed in Rocky,

473
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:26.720
Yeah, I say, yeah,
you know, like we said he but

474
00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:30.079
he has more character development than Creed
did in the first Rocky. They do

475
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.079
build up like who he is in
a sense because of the English stuff,

476
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:38.160
and they kind of build the America
versus England ties. Graham McTavish is,

477
00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:45.240
Yeah, his his manager, trainer, whoever. Yeah, he plays a

478
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:48.480
couple of different characters in Outlander,
and he's in but he's been a character

479
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:52.160
actor for a long, long long
time. And again, I don't know

480
00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:55.240
boxing in the seventies, and I
don't know that much about boxing now.

481
00:31:55.240 --> 00:32:00.319
I'm a very casual fan. But
it seemed like a random stretch for Creed

482
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:04.480
to fight Rocky and Rocky one,
right, yeah, like, oh,

483
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:06.880
they just picked this out of a
hat. They got nothing to do.

484
00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:13.240
This one feels like he could happen, the Conlin versus Adonnas. Yeah,

485
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:17.279
because he had fifteen fights, He's
got his father's name, and boxing is

486
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:21.839
a business that would try to sell
that. Oh for sure, you know

487
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:23.559
what I mean. Like even the
Francis and Gano, Francis and Gano was

488
00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:28.279
the heavyweight champ, but the UFC
had no boxing and then he gets a

489
00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:30.119
title shot. Yeah, because they
know it selles tickets. And so the

490
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:34.759
Donnas one to Conlin feels like,
oh okay, I could see HBO doing

491
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:37.519
this, like this is gonna make
money for them. It just felt more

492
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:38.920
real where the Rocky One's like all
right they did that for the movie.

493
00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:42.400
Yeah, you know, it just
like takes me out of it a little

494
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:45.920
bit, like again the ESPN announcing
on it, Like it just feels like,

495
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:49.559
oh, this feels like I live
here, and obviously generationally I did.

496
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:52.599
Right, I'm in my mid twenties
and twenty fifteen years, so it

497
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:57.200
feels more real to me. Yeah, or maybe in the seventies it did

498
00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:02.000
feel real to this segment of PTI
that was in Yeah, and then uh

499
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:07.200
Kalerman was fucking outstanding in this movie. He was just playing himself but I

500
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:12.200
don't know if he wrote his lines
or whatever, but I mean, it

501
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:15.160
was just it was just perfect.
It was literally perfect. Yeah. I

502
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:16.839
wonder because this movie got some love
when it came out, but I feel

503
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:20.960
like it is a better movie.
Like I feel like it's kind of underrated

504
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:23.279
still, it may be, it's
it's I think it's got to be the

505
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:28.160
very best of the whole series,
probably because he had two and three.

506
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:32.920
You know, they're gotta make them, but they're solid. And yeah,

507
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:37.119
maybe we will have to do like
a Rocky four or five to see the

508
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:39.039
evolvement of it, because again I've
seen them all, but I've never like

509
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:44.559
watched them to report on it.
So maybe Rocky four and five speed up

510
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:49.680
a little bit. And obviously the
characters developed because Rocky has five movies six

511
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:52.240
really, so maybe it gets there. But just how much how much good

512
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:59.839
story, good emotion, and like
good action they show within just introducing all

513
00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:02.160
the characters are new besides Rocky.
I mean, mary Anne's kind of around,

514
00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:06.799
but yeah, different actress obviously,
Yeah, Marianne was the name of

515
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:10.159
my godmother. I think that two
different women played mary Anne over the course

516
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:15.360
of the Rocky movies makes sense,
and I get that why they didn't.

517
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:16.719
I think one of them was not
available. On the other one they decided

518
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:21.440
not to bring back. If you're
if you're casting this movie, you get

519
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:28.400
a whole lot more out of bringing
Felicia Rashad, then you do just the

520
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:31.800
legacy actress for that for the one
of them for the role. I just

521
00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:37.480
I don't think so. I think
that that's just that's a business note brainer,

522
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:38.639
right. And she was at it, Yeah, No, she was.

523
00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:43.599
She was great. And most of
her scenes are by herself yea or

524
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:45.960
good half of her scenes are by
herself. Yeah, and they're fairly short.

525
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:52.440
Yeah, they're kind of monology.
Yeah. Uh. Salloane rewrote all

526
00:34:52.559 --> 00:35:00.239
the Rocky dialogue because he said that
the timing, the cadence of the of

527
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:02.880
the lines wasn't right interesting. So
I'm sure that they probably came around to

528
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:07.559
say the same thing. But like
you can see, it's the same character.

529
00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:10.360
It's just an it's an evolution of
the of the same guy. No,

530
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:15.079
Rocky becomes cool man, he's wise. Yeah. Yeah, Donna's trying

531
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:16.239
to keep getting coaching from him,
and he's like, this is what I

532
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:19.719
do, Like, I'm coaching your
brain, basically says you know, Like

533
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:21.679
he says, like, I'm not
going to coach you. I can't.

534
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:22.840
I can't do all this stuff.
I can't teach you how to hit like

535
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:25.039
I used to. But I can
teach you. I'm coaching your brain,

536
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:28.880
yeah, heart, And I can
tell you about strategy. I can tell

537
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:30.039
you about you know, he was
good. He was really good, and

538
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:35.679
I'm clearly a very good conditioning coach. Yeah. Yeah. I thought they

539
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:39.079
would maybe lean more into Donnie watching
film like they did in the beginning,

540
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:43.320
to show that he like studied the
game. And then obviously when he first

541
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:45.360
meets Rocky, he talks a ton
about the history. But it was his

542
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:51.199
dad, so like I thought,
maybe his niche was that. And obviously

543
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:52.800
they don't really go into it like
Rocky. They go into saying he's not

544
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:57.360
athletic, right, They basically show
like Rocky is just he hits pretty hard

545
00:35:57.519 --> 00:35:59.719
and he's just a tough son of
a bitch and that's how he succeeds.

546
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:05.079
They haven't really showed you or told
you why Michael b Is good yet Yeah,

547
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:06.880
you know, like in the fight
they show like, all right,

548
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:08.559
he's pretty tough and he's athletic,
but they don't like give him a style.

549
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:13.000
I guess per se. And I
thought maybe his niche as a fighter,

550
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:15.039
because you watched all that film,
would be like he's just stud like

551
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:20.199
you work out works like that,
the non ring shit, Like yeah,

552
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:22.639
yeah, you know, because because
that's what they say about like the Tom

553
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:24.760
Brady's and the Peyton Mannings and man, they just watch tape and they just

554
00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:29.480
know football better than anyone knows fucking
football. Lebron James. They talk about

555
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:31.079
how much he knows the game.
So I thought maybe that would be his

556
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:36.440
story, but they that's the one
thing that I feel like planted seeds and

557
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:39.440
didn't develop. Yeah, that's a
good point. Did you know the speaking

558
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:47.639
of watching film though, when he's
watching the footage from the first uh Rocky

559
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:52.639
Apollo Creede fight, Yeah, helped
me. If it's if I'm remembering this

560
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:59.159
correctly. I felt like he was
fighting as Rocky yeah, with shadow boxes.

561
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:00.639
Yeah it was going to get Yeah, I feel like he was fighting

562
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:04.360
his dad yeaheah, Yeah, so
I'm not I'm not wrong. So that

563
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:06.199
was a cool scene. That's why
I thought it would all tie in,

564
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:07.719
like, oh, maybe this guy
is just like mega studying and this is

565
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:10.480
how he learns, so he just
goes no. He was definitely trying to

566
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:14.639
like, yeah, kind of fight
his dad. So there were like basically

567
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:19.119
three big boxing sequences in the whole
the whole film. When he's fighting in

568
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:23.960
Mexico, there's the his first you
know, real fight, which is,

569
00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:30.639
uh, all one shot. It's
all steady cam. There's no there are

570
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:36.480
no cuts in that one at all, which is as we talked about in

571
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:38.920
Rocky. Rocky was in the third
third movie ever to use a steady cam

572
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:44.480
and so appropriate that they that they
shot that shot it this way, that

573
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:52.400
shot that uh, that fight is
a shot for shot recreation of the fight

574
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:55.119
in Rocky four. Yeah. I
was gonna say, I'm sure there's a

575
00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:59.280
tie someone. Yeah, it's it's
it's it's shot for shot for Rocky four.

576
00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:01.280
It's just shot, you know,
all all in one. Yeah,

577
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:07.119
yeah, all in one one,
no no cuts. And then there's the

578
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:15.079
final fight, the twelve rounds versus
fifteen in Rocky twelve in Creed Yeah,

579
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:20.320
yeah, and he loses obviously by
split decision kind of a similar ending ish,

580
00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:23.280
Yeah, very similar to although he
didn't set his goals either. I

581
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:25.599
think his goals were to get the
belt. Yeah, you know, he

582
00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:28.800
didn't say like, oh, I
just gotta last with this guy. There

583
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:30.519
wasn't kind of that story. It
was just like I think it was.

584
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:36.559
The story for this was slightly or
the goal for the fight was slightly less

585
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:39.360
spoken. But it was just to
prove that you belong. Yeah, right,

586
00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:43.320
because the whole thing he has Creed
on the shorts. Now he's getting

587
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:45.639
announced as a Creed. He's like, am I a Creed? And like

588
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:51.800
do I deserve that name? In
a sense like the deeper meaning I love

589
00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:53.599
that the shorts say Creed in the
front and Johnson on the back. Yeah,

590
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:57.199
they're dope. Yeah, it's a
cool touch. It's sent by his

591
00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:00.079
mom, who he hasn't talked to. Yeah, that made me cry.

592
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:04.280
Yeah, that was dope me too. And then yeah, and then obviously

593
00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:07.280
the girlfriend coming in at the end, very very similar. He's all beat

594
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:10.559
up at the end, very very
similar, similar vibes. Yeah, and

595
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:19.960
then the end of the film is
walking the up the Rocky Steps Philly with

596
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:25.920
Rocky who is diminished from his however
long he's been on chemo. Yeah,

597
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:29.480
there's a couple of scenes where he's
like throwing up and ship and the makeup

598
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:31.280
and s Souff is crazy. Yeah, like they made him hell a bold,

599
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:34.920
hella pale. Maybe it's c G
I even, I don't know,

600
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:37.559
but he actually looks like insanely old
and sick, where in a couple of

601
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:42.199
the earlier shots in the restaurant he
looks good. Yeah, for sure,

602
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:49.280
for sure, and just uh showing
the way that that Adonis was taking care

603
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:54.719
of of Creed and really forcing him
to to to get chemo and to get

604
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:59.679
treatment because yeah, neither of them
mad families. Yeah for a long time,

605
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:04.880
Like Rocky kind of seems like he
grew up like Adonnas a little bit,

606
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:07.039
like you know, yeah, you
don't really know anything about his family

607
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:12.320
or Yeah, and then obviously loses
his adult family and then yeah, Adonnas

608
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:15.760
doesn't really have one, so it
does feel like full circle in a sense.

609
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:21.719
Yeah, I just I love this
movie. Yeah, like it's so

610
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:23.559
so good. Yeah, like it
a lot. Yeah, you guys should

611
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:27.000
watch it. You should definitely watch
The Rocky so too. Even though there's

612
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:29.559
slow, there's there's pieces to get
from it, and I think it makes

613
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:32.679
all this the better. And I
we were talking about this in the Rocky

614
00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:40.679
thing. It's it's impossible to watch
the first movie and imagine all that would

615
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:45.599
come from it, right, Yeah, you don't think it grows, but

616
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:47.840
it's a whole universe. It really
is. And I think it's pretty clear

617
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:52.360
that Coogler is probably a better writer
director than Stallone. But Sloan, it's

618
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:57.719
difficult to argue with his success,
right, you know, between between the

619
00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:07.800
Rocky movies and h the First Blood
series and all the other action adventure ship

620
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:09.280
that. Yeah, did I mean
they're iconic? Yeah, so like he

621
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:14.719
obviously had some kind of recipe otherwise
they would never stick in everyone's lives and

622
00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:17.639
brains. Right, even Rainbow as
a fucking five movies or some shit,

623
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:22.960
we're gonna wrap her up. I'm
sure we get a little rating here.

624
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:29.079
Yeah, Rainbow shorts, not rainbow
shorts, flag shorts that June, Yes,

625
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:34.159
that flag shorts, flag shorts.
What I give the other one?

626
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:36.760
I give the other one like a
four to five. Yeah, I think

627
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:39.480
I'm gonna give this one a four
to four. I think it's a better

628
00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:45.199
movie. I enjoyed it. More. But again, without Rocky, there's

629
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:47.679
none of this. So like Rocky
again because of the nostalgia for me,

630
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:52.960
because it built all that. Again, there is no Creed without no Rocky,

631
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:59.960
there is no Adonnas And because even
in Creed, my favorite character is

632
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:02.599
Rocky. Yeah, you can't.
He's so good. He's so fun like

633
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:06.119
Donnie's good too. And I actually
don't really like Michael B. Jordan.

634
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:08.639
Yeah, me either. Besides,
he's my twee in He's fine. He's

635
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:10.719
fine, like I like him in
Fruit Fail and stuff, and he's you

636
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:14.360
know, I like him in Black
Panther. He's in movies that I like,

637
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:17.239
but for some reason, there's something
stopping me from loving him. But

638
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:24.039
Rocky in Creed is one of my
favorite dudes about a little rating like me

639
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:27.199
personally, it's one of my favorite
movies. I'll give it a five out

640
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:30.480
of five. It's good. I
gotta say, I think it's a I

641
00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:34.519
think it's a five. It's such
a great evolution of the story, and

642
00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:40.679
it's it's an emotional film in the
way that that most of the other ones

643
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:49.000
are not. You were like tied
into very recognizable, grounded emotions, and

644
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:54.440
that's Coogler yeah, it feels it. I mean, yeah, obviously not

645
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:59.239
everything in this movie is something that
is likely to happen, but it's not

646
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:04.079
impossible everything, but everything feels you
know, real. Yeah, No,

647
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:07.880
it feels like a ESPN thirty for
thirty feels like definitely could happen. Yeah.

648
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:09.519
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