Die Hard 2: Die Harder | Holiday Film Fest | Guest co-host Josh Hajjar

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Alright, we're in okay, welcome to the studio. I've been

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here in a minute. I mean I've been here, but

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I haven't been here to record in a minute. I've

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been doing everything remotely from home. But hey, I have

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I have a guest host with me to guess co

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host it with me today. Josh is with me, and

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we're going to talk about, uh, the sequel to like

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one of the most popular episodes that we did last year,

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and this is die Heard two. We did die Hard

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last year and it and pretty much ruled. So so

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here we are we Diehard Too, die Heard Too. Welcome

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Josh Hard. Die Hard. Yes, that's literally what it says,

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die harder. I can't know how. I don't know how

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to die any harder that I'm already died.

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But though I will say that there's a naming pattern

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for these movies, and they didn't follow it with the

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second one. It's not really called die Harder. It's just

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called Diehard Too. But then there's die Hard with a Vengeance,

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which is the best one. Yes, there's Live Free or

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die Hard, and then there's a Good Day to die Hard.

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I've never seen the last two.

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I've heard I haven't seen the last two that they

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got terrible reviews. Yeah, they were just like pretty trash

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money grabs. Yeah. The only thing that that was halfway

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interesting is the guy who used to be who used

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to be the face of Macintosh in the Mac versus

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PC commercials. Oh, he was in. Justin Long was in

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one of them. Yeah, he was probably in die Hard,

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like he was the Live Free or die Hard. I

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think he was in the Russian one, whichever that one was.

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Yeah, there's one where they bring his son in his

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I saw some parts of it. I think it's a

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good not a good day to die Hard, Live Free

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or die Hard has McLean's son in it, Okay, And

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that might be the one with Justin Long. He seems

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to be like such a frantic sidekick type character.

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Yeah. I think that one of the weirdest things about

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this whole series is the wife Holly. Yeah, Like in

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the first movie, he's going out to see her for Christmas.

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She and the kids have been living in LA because

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she took this job with the Nokotomi Corporation and he

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has been a cop in New York and this one

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he has moved to LA but she has to fly

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into d C. And I guess that's where her parents live.

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Yeah, that was a little jarring because I've lived I

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grew up on the East Coast and we actually used

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to visit Washington, d C.

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Pretty frequently.

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And I will say to anybody who's never been, that's

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actually a very underrated trip, is going to Washington, d C.

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And seeing all the monuments in the museums Democracy Disneyland.

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Yeah, but it's a really nice trip. There's lots of

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great things to see. There's lots of good restaurants. But Washington,

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d C. In the winter, I don't know if this

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is just my memory of the early eighties and late nineties,

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it never gets that cold. That's what really jarred me.

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They were driving over lakes and water. I'm getting ahead

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of ourselves, driving over lakes and water on ice. It

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never gets cold enough to ice in washing like they

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were in Michigan. Yeah, it's like, well, actually it looked

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like they were in Canada or something.

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Canada maybe, I don't know where they filmed that part. Yeah,

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it was so she there They're in Washington, d C.

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And then so much snow on the runway. There's so

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much snow. It's really cold. And that's really weird because

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from my experience, I've never seen Washington, d C. Frozen

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like that. I've seen it when it's been snowing, but

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never frozen. I mean, I think it does some, but

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I think it's pretty rare, especially these days with all

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of the you know, climate change, I guess is the

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word I'm looking for. Climate change. I don't want to

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say global warming, because it's not just warming. Some places

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are cold or someplaces are hotter. Yeah, it interesting film.

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A A stat that really blew my mind about this

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movie is that it actually made twice as much as

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the first one. Wow.

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That was kind of anticipated though, because the first one

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was such a hit.

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So first one was such a hit, but you think

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it would have been bigger yea, And this one is

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was was twice as big. I don't know what the

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third one brought in. The third one was like, as

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you said that, that was the best one. Yeah, this one.

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The first one, I don't even know what was based on.

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some point, or just some some specs script running around

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Hollywood or whatever. This one is based on a book

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and they adapted into a diehard film. Called fifty eight minutes.

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Somewhere in the film, somebody says fifty eight minutes.

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and hijacking and all these things. It's such a concept

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of that time period, right, right, because now after nine

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to eleven, we have TSA and there's so much tight secure,

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there's armed soldiers, there's a variety things at airports.

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I yeah, I think that that's got to be the

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most jarring part of it. I mean, there is a

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scene where where Holly Gennaro McLain, his wife, is sitting

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on the plane talking to her seat mate, an older

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woman who like pulls out of her purse, her purse

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of freaking taser.

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one of those cattle protastes. Yes, yeah, And I'm like, wait,

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how did she get that on the plane?

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Like, I remember that things were a little bit laxed

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before nine to eleven, but I don't remember people getting

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on with like weapons.

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Well, I remember as a teenager when you could smoke

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there was a smoking section in the airplane.

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Yeah, so it's it's it's it's such a like it's

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a definitely a piece that's a period of its time.

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But shout out to Bonnie Badelia because she is so

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great as John McLean's wife.

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She's great, Yes, she they if you have seen the

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first one, and actually if you've seen this one as well,

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the asshole reporter guy who has the most punishable face ever,

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William Atherton, most punishable face ever, is on the plane

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with her, but they're supposed to not be near each

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other because he has a restraining order against her because

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at the end of the first movie she punched him

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in the mouth and knocked some teeth out. Yeah, which

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and and they know her.

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There's something with either the people who write the screenplay

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because this is a different director from the first. This

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is Harlan Yeah, and these were directed by mctererne in

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the first in the third, which is why the quality

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in the third one jumps so high, right, But the

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director or whoever wrote the screenplayer, the producers must have

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something against journalists, because all journalists. This guy plays a

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journalist that you know does terrible things in the first movie,

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and then in the second movie he breaks the story

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and it causes mass panic and you know, writing so so,

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and then there's also the other journalist who's getting on

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McLean's nerves in the beginning of the movie, the female

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one I can't remember what the name of the character.

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still very annoying herself in the last few moments of

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the film. So somebody out there had something against journalists.

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Journalists whoever one of the producers or something, I don't know.

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Some some people did not like journalists at all. This

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film may be the only film ever where you're introduced

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to the villain naked. You see his whole ass. This

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is true, and they're very strategically blocking out his cock. Yes, yes,

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I think if it was made today you would see

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the whole manty, the full monty.

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But it was a really strange way to introduce it.

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It was a very strange way. And that guy has

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almost always played some kind of bad guy. The one

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good guy that he's played was the president in Iron

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Man three. Oh that's right. I didn't realize that that's

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how same actor so far apart. Yes, yeah, he definitely.

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He doesn't have a he's a scary face, not a

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punchable face. Well, they have Robert Patrick as well as

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one of the Yeah goes down early and he's but

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I mean his facial expressions are just perfect for roles

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like this. Yeah. John Lewisamo is in the movie too,

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but only very briefly, and apparently they dubbed his voice

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so he has no accent. Yeah.

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And I want to give a big shout out to

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the crew on the first three DIEHRD movies as somebody

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of Middle Eastern descent. None of the villains are committing

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terrorist acts in the trilogy of the best movies. They're

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usually you know, like white German or in this case,

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this was like a white American, you know, military special

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former special forces, you know, so no terrorists. There's lots

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of airplanes involved, there's lots of terroristic activities, and nobody says.

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I'll lock barn Ones.

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And so I got to say I can appreciate these

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movies for that.

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watch Slow Horses, but I'm a giant, giant fan of

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that show, and I have like read or listened to.

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I don't know I'm gonna get credit for I'm gonna

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take credit for reading from listening to that series, but

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the most recent season of that show, the antagonist villain

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folks are in the show they're Lebanese and they create

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this whole like reason why they're so pissed off or whatever.

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But in the book they were North Korean, which kind

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of made more sense to me. But I guess they

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felt like it was it was unmotivated or whatever. It

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was just like it's a weird switch up. Yeah, it

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was a very weird switch up. So you know, apologize for.

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For sawhorses, but that they changed it.

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They changed it.

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Yeah, yeah, but yeah, so naked villain early on he's

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Jack though, I mean you can't really take that away

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from and he's doing some kind of tight, chie ish

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I don't evenly really know exactly. He has got some

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martial arts moves. Later on, when he fights John McClain,

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they don't seem to work out that well for him. No,

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they don't.

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And I think this is why these movies are so

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universally loved, because John McClain is really just the everyman, right.

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He's like, he smokes, he's probably drunk, he drinks a

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little bit. He's just this everyman person. He overcomes the odds,

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internet we have discussions based around like who would win

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Batman or Kevin McAllister. But we have to start putting

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John McLain in these conversations because the odds that he

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overcomes special forces, you know, terrorist operations from j Many

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who are looking to rebuild the third or fourth Reich.

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You know, the things that he does just seemed to

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be overcoming crazy odds and winning at the end.

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Yeah, I understanding this that the in the premise of

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this movie is that his wife is flying in from somewhere.

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It's not real clear where she was. Maybe she's coming

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in from La but he came in from La White

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anything they come together that's not clear, never never addressed

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at all. And he on his way into the airport

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not only gets his mother in law's car towed, but

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he sees a bunch of activity that makes him hinky

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that there's something's going on. And as par for the course,

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in every one of these frickin' movies, as far as

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I can tell, that nobody in authority ever believes him,

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even though even in this one, like people of who

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he is said and that sort of one of the

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least realistic things about it other than an ejection seat

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in a cargo plane. Is uh that that the cops,

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the other cops are not like fawning over the guy.

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You would think that it's like, oh, yeah, you're kind

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of a cop hero like I, you know, I want

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to be like you. You're a badass whatever, you know,

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And they they just totally discount him. And I mean

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that was one of the most annoying things about the

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first movie, and they just cloned it for this one. Yeah.

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And and you know that starts out with Dennis Franz,

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who you know, he always plays the same role of

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that cop or the Italian, you know, wise guy with

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the accent giving him a ticket and just being really,

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that's his brother, Yeah, that's his brother's brother, his brother.

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Yes, Dennis friends is the is the head of the

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head of the police.

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Yeah, and he's not believing him the whole time, and

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then his other gives him a ticket. In the beginning,

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you know, nobody really recognizes or acknowledgees this crazy story

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of Nakatomy Plaza, but then they'll mention it throughout the movie.

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Like you should.

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Have some cred, right, I feel like you should have

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some cred.

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Yeah, and they should be giving him some. You know

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that he can recognize certain situations at this point, a

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little bit.

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Of difference, just a little bit like somebody fucking believe

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this man. You have terrorists on your airport and they're

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gonna fuck things up, and you just don't want to listen.

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And I guess I don't know that. Roger Ebert used

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to call things that didn't make any sense at idiot plots.

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There's a little bit of an idiot plot going on,

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whether they don't. It's like, if you felt like there

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was a threat to your airport, even pre nine to eleven,

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you would have done something about it.

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I would think, Yeah, I think you would have shut

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it down. Yeah, I think you would have at least investigated.

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He doesn't take much to shut down an airport. Yeah.

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He starts out mentioning that the guy's got a glock seven.

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This is a really advanced weapon. It costs a lot

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of money. Yeah, And it seems like Dennis Brown's is

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just ignoring all of his insight into this instead of saying, Okay,

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this seems like valid points and maybe we shouldn't.

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Yeah, oh yeah, like oh yeah, maybe you have a point.

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I guess it doesn't work if you if everybody cooperates.

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With him, I mean, it doesn't tell a good of

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his story.

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I guess not. I mean that's that's you know, it's frustrating.

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And that's that was what was very frustrating about the

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first movie too. It's like about that, that's sorry about that?

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Was that your stomach from the nurry or was it? Yeah,

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that's just one of the things that that that made

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me crazy about the first movie, and it really makes

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me crazy in this one because like in the first movie,

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they didn't no idea who he was. Yeah, none of

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the none of the I mean they maybe sort of

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looked him up at some point, but you know, they

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they just didn't take him seriously. Yeah, because it was

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like FBI assholes and and LAPD assholes and whatever. And

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this is all airport cops and then military, except that

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the military spoiler alert is not the military. No, they are.

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They are rogue agents. They were there mercenaries mercenaries, yes, yeah,

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and they they you know, they're the earlier scenes where

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they're they're ignoring him, and then he comes back with

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the fingerprints and you know, the list of the record

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on the guy that he killed, and they still just

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don't don't listen to him.

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They still don't listen to any of his strategies where

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he's talking about, hey, you know, these are going to

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be trained killers that are coming after you and your forces.

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You know this, this is definitely not what you guys

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want to do here. So even after he does prove hey,

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I did something and I got information and now here, look,

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I'm right about these things, they're still ignoring all of

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his insight and all of his strategy.

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Yeah, and because it, I mean borrowing from from slow

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horses for a moment, they just can't be arsed to

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figure things out. They just don't. It's like, oh, it's

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you know, it's Christmas Eve, like, you know, we just

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we can't. We don't have time for terrorists or all right, Yeah,

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we just we just have to keep keep moving the

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people through here. That's that's all we got time for. Yeah.

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And one of the things I think I appreciated the

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most throughout this movie was how meta? Did you realize

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how meta?

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It was?

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Because as soon as he starts getting into the vents

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when he's trying to you know, help he's trying to

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help that special force of cops, Yeah, the Swat Force. Yeah,

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he gets into the vents, he's like, why do I

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always get into these situations?

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Right?

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And then there's multiple comments throughout the film where he

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and his wife acknowledged why does this keep happening to us?

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Yeah? That and it reminds me in the first the

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sort of the middle the original Star Wars trilogy, Well,

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they say I have a bad feeling about this. The

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first time I realized that it was said that often,

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Like I went to a boovie marathon, like it was

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like fifteen years after the first one or something, and

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they ran four, five, and six in the theater, like

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it's like eight hours straight whatever. And you realize by

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the by uh, by the third one, by Return of

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the Jedi, that they just keep saying that line. So

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it's one of those things. Yeah, yeah, like and and

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and and uh. I think that Han says something to

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look like how bad it is? It? And Luke says

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that pretty much like usual, you know, like this is

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the kind of ship we get into. Just you know

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that happens to us. So it's kind of kind of

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like that that that philosophy of oh, well, you know,

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we're just gonna be we're gonna be behind the eight

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ball like routinely, just on the rag.

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Yeah, and that probably the audience is thinking to themselves,

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you know, oh, here's this big terrorist thread again. Yeah,

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and who's at the center of it is this guy

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John McLain who's supposed to be the everyman cop R

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So how does he just keep getting into these situations?

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Isn't he targeted? In the third one?

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He's purposely targeted, That's what I thought. So I can't

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remember a time where he says why do I keep

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getting into situations like this? Or he gets into the events,

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So I think that's again why the third one is

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kind of like the Superior movie here. Yeah, but it's

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more tightly plotted. It's more tightly plotted, and it just

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has really good pacing.

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There was times in.

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This movie, I will say too, where it seemed to

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slow the pacing down a lot.

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There is some repetition for sure. Yeah, and you know

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the big fight set pieces kind of repeat.

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Yeah, yeah, and then in between those fight set pieces

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they're back in the tower talking about how we're going

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to get the tower online. Yeah, they seem to kind

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of broke it up in places where it just seems

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to slow it down a lot.

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Yeah, it seems like to me, I actually need to

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find this guy's well. They managed to work Reggie Veljoen into.

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This one a little bit, which was great to see.

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Yeah, John Amos was the commander of the guy who

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turned the group of mercenaries who look like special forces.

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Who also did a very good job. I will say

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that one of the constant themes that I've seen these

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early nineties, late eighties movies that are such classics is

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that the actors, even the character actors, they really come

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in and they do their job. There is not I

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could honestly say in this whole film, there's not one

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performance that I would look at and say, this doesn't

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look believable. They either have a you know, a character,

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and they stick to that character. They never go outside

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that character. They never go above or or below with

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the ranges for that character, but they play it perfectly

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on the nose.

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The speaking of which Fred Thompson, he spent years on

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Law and Order. Yes, he was also in the Hunt

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for Red October. But he was also a United States

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representative congressman. Well, that's right, that's right, he was, so

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that that was interesting. He died in twenty fifteen, but

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he was all over the place, many many interests. That

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a very impressive performance to me was this guy Art Evans,

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who plays the technician or whatever, who is trying to

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help get things back online. Yeah and damn near dies. Yeah. Yeah.

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He's trying to go that swat team to the tower

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that hasn't been opened, right, yeah, and then he ends

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up being involved in the.

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Shootout a kind of idiot plot. Issue was for me

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was that they didn't figure out earlier on that they

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could use the communication at the at the perimeter, which

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is normally just a just a repeating sound to broadcast

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to the planes that like, like, I guess they had

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to have what there's a horrific plane crash in this movie.

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That's that's very true, where an entire British airways ish,

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I don't know what then what the name of the

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actual windsor windsor crashes and burns and everyone's killed because

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the terrorists have set the ground level to be higher,

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yes than they should. So there was like two hundred

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feet higher than it was supposed to be.

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Yes, So when they go to land, they're at an

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angle and a speed that's way too fast, and yes,

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there's a horrific and everybody aboard dies.

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I'm so glad they showed us what the inside of

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that plane look like. So we got to see all

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those people die.

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A ball of flame, which it's which as a kid,

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you know a lot of our parents had seen the

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first die Hard movies. They're a little gory, and you know,

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they're they're probably not approved for kids, but back then

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they definitely our parents just left the TV on for us, right,

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So we ended up watching these movies and things like

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RoboCop and they definitely weren't appropriate for us at those ages.

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So then as a kid, I think I was maybe

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eight or nine years old and probably in my earlier

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adolescence when this movie was on in syndication on T

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and T and TBS, and to see that, I can't

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imagine seeing that as a young child whose parents didn't

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expect that this movie was going to be.

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This level of violence. Of violent.

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Yeah, they had a theme here where they liked to

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show the inside of things when they were blowing up

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and people were dying.

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Yeah. Yeah. A very famous thing about this movie that

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has to do with the with the where they're shown

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on television is how they dubbed out the swearing. Oh

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that's right. So the most famous line from this movie

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is not not in the theatrical version. When toward the

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end of the film, actually at the the climax of

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the film, John McClain says, yippy kaya, motherfucker. Yeah, But

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on TV it was yippy kaya mister falcon because it

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matched his lips. But at the same time, I guess

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the idea was that falcon was the call sign of

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the of the bad guy.

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Yeah yeah, which which I mean kind of makes sense.

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But I think it probably would have done better just

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to bleep it out. Maybe they could have just bleeped it.

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People would people know, you can infer what's.

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Being said from the bleep and then it's still appropriate

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for the air. The whole mister Falcon thing is something

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you can encounter just in regular you know, online you know, uh,

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social media, So people can say mister falcon and you

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know what, the reference is.

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Crazy And that was That's the other thing that I

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noticed early on. John McClain has the singers in these

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one liners.

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Yes, and so according to the trivia for this one.

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In the first movie, he did ad lib some stuff

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that was that was not in the script that that

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ended up in the final film. This one, they just

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let him roll, Oh they did. Yeah, so there might

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have been there might have been dialogue written, but pretty

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much anytime he's just talking to himself, that's pretty much

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ad lib stuff. Oh so that's just the genius of

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Bruce Willis. Yeah, yeah, I was actually watched the thing

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this morning. Speaking of your genius of people ad libbing

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different media project Happy Days. Anson Williams, who played Potzy

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on Happy Days back in the seventies, talked about Robin

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Williams and his first appearance on Happy Days as Morc.

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They had written this script and everyone said, oh my god,

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this is awful, this is a terrible episode. Why are

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we even doing this? And they had another actor attached

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and the guy came and he was awful, and they

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were they were kind of stuck. And the guy quit.

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He knew he was awful, and he quit, and they're like, well,

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who can we get to replace him? Under you know,

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under pressure here? You know, we only have I mean,

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we're we're already basically in rehearsals and we need to

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shoot at the end of this week. And a couple

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of people, including I guess Penny Marshall knew knew Robin Williams,

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and they brought him in and so much of that

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was he's like fixed the script like on the fly, yeah,

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by with all of his ad libs and stuff, and

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they just the genius of being able to talk off

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the top of your head in a way that this

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still works for the property you're working on and doesn't

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have to be bleeped. Yeah, because he could work pretty blue,

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Yeah he could. That was definitely the genius of Robin Williams,

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and definitely the genius of Bruce Willis to ad lib

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a large portion of his dialogue in this movie.

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Because the things that he says are really memorable too.

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You can definitely hear those one liners and you just

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remember off the top of your head. So the character

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itself of John McLean is just a perpetual character is

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just one of the more impressive ones, not for just

482
00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:14.200
the feats that he does, but just for the way

483
00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:18.400
that Bruce Willis perfectly embodies this character through a variety

484
00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:20.720
of movies, and a variety of situations.

485
00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:24.559
Yeah, that makes it even more sad that to know

486
00:26:24.640 --> 00:26:28.599
the condition he's in now he's got I don't know

487
00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:31.240
exactly what the what the diagnosis is some kind of

488
00:26:31.240 --> 00:26:36.200
dementia at this point and does not recognize anybody, and

489
00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:41.599
you know, and I mean his family is still caring

490
00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:45.200
for him, I guess, but you know, it's a difficult situation,

491
00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:48.799
sad that he's just not you know, he's not living

492
00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:58.920
out a normal lifespan as the Bruce willis that we knew. Yeah. Yeah, so, Uh,

493
00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:06.319
there's one more giant explosion at the end of the

494
00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:10.920
film that solves the whole problem of being able to

495
00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:13.319
land these planes. After all the lights have been turned

496
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:16.640
off and and the and the bad guys are basically

497
00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:19.200
controlling all the lights and the and the communication and

498
00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:25.079
stuff from a church, from a condemned church. I guess,

499
00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:29.480
I don't know. Well, the caretaker that they kill early on, uh,

500
00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:32.599
says that, oh, I'll still come around. I guess that

501
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:34.640
the parish is going to be using it for some things,

502
00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:37.240
but it won't be it won't be services here anymore

503
00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:40.880
or whatever. And that's like two seconds before they kill him. Uh,

504
00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:44.559
And they blow that thing up so before. I don't

505
00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:46.400
think the parish is going to be using it for

506
00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:53.039
anything going forward. No, it was that I had no

507
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:54.880
idea where that part was going, and I had seen

508
00:27:54.920 --> 00:27:57.240
this movie before. I had totally forgotten what they did

509
00:27:57.279 --> 00:28:00.319
with what they were doing there and why they were

510
00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:03.119
digging a hole. I didn't understand that. No, I didn't

511
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:04.839
get that either. I do. I don't know. Did we51200:28:04.880 --> 00:28:07.519



ever see them do anything with that hole that they dug, No,51300:28:07.640 --> 00:28:07.839



we did.51400:28:07.960 --> 00:28:09.759



I don't think they ever did anything with the hole51500:28:09.799 --> 00:28:13.160



that they dug. Though they did set the stage pretty51600:28:13.240 --> 00:28:19.240



early for the shootout at the church, you know. Yeah,51700:28:19.240 --> 00:28:23.119



they did kind of foreshadow that. There's the red Ammo51800:28:23.240 --> 00:28:25.279



and then the Blue Ammo. And I had never seen51900:28:25.279 --> 00:28:27.720



this movie before until I watched it recently before we52000:28:27.759 --> 00:28:30.400



did this podcast, and even I was like, wait here,52100:28:30.440 --> 00:28:34.200



why are they switching out from the red to the blue. Oh,52200:28:34.279 --> 00:28:36.720



there's something different about the blue Amma. Yeah, that was52300:28:36.759 --> 00:28:40.240



easy to tell before the surprise at the end.52400:28:39.720 --> 00:28:42.319



When when he chases them, Like, yeah, when they when52500:28:42.359 --> 00:28:44.720



they go to flee from this, when they've been tracked52600:28:44.759 --> 00:28:48.480



down and they go to flee from the church, they're52700:28:48.519 --> 00:28:51.079



they're fleeing in snowmobiles as you as you point out,52800:28:51.519 --> 00:28:55.359



everything's frozen. Everything's frozen, except that it's not because they're like,52900:28:56.480 --> 00:28:59.119



how are these things not sinking? Is my question. There's53000:28:59.119 --> 00:29:01.880



so much water they go through. I know they break53100:29:01.920 --> 00:29:05.079



the ice, and like, how does how do you? I mean,53200:29:05.680 --> 00:29:08.960



what is a snowmobile way? For heaven's sakes, it weighs53300:29:08.960 --> 00:29:11.880



a lot. Yeah, I would think it would be I mean,53400:29:11.880 --> 00:29:14.000



it would just be falling through the ice and they53500:29:14.000 --> 00:29:15.720



would be going down with it unless they got off53600:29:15.720 --> 00:29:18.400



real quick. I don't know that. That did not make53700:29:18.440 --> 00:29:19.200



a lot of sense to me.53800:29:19.359 --> 00:29:21.640



Yeah, and then the whole snowmobile thing while they're doing it,53900:29:21.680 --> 00:29:24.480



and again I'm looking at this and watching the scene54000:29:24.480 --> 00:29:26.960



and saying, this doesn't not look like it was filmed on.54100:29:27.240 --> 00:29:30.000



That's a really good question. I wonder if it says54200:29:30.000 --> 00:29:30.960



where they filmed it.54300:29:30.960 --> 00:29:35.839



Because this was way too this was maybe, I mean,54400:29:35.839 --> 00:29:38.119



maybe there was climate change between them and now, but54500:29:38.200 --> 00:29:39.559



I don't know if this was.54600:29:39.680 --> 00:29:42.799



I don't know either. That's a really good question.54700:29:43.039 --> 00:29:46.440



That's way too cold that I have early memories of54800:29:46.519 --> 00:29:50.160



visiting family who lived in Virginia and stopping in Washington,54900:29:50.240 --> 00:29:52.839



d C. And there were snowy like conditions, but it55000:29:52.920 --> 00:29:53.599



was nothing.55100:29:53.400 --> 00:29:54.519



Like this, nothing like that.55200:29:54.720 --> 00:29:58.599



Yeah, and this was definitely a shot somewhere where it55300:29:58.720 --> 00:30:00.720



was a lot colder, or the it made it look55400:30:00.759 --> 00:30:03.200



a lot colder. But I will say that the practical55500:30:03.240 --> 00:30:07.839



effects the minis that they used for the planes, the55600:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.400



way that they had them blow up, was pretty impressive.55700:30:11.640 --> 00:30:14.119



Yeah. The only one that first time, the only one55800:30:14.119 --> 00:30:20.319



that kind of looks phony is to me, the Holly's55900:30:20.359 --> 00:30:22.400



plane when it lands. There's a shot of it that56000:30:22.480 --> 00:30:25.039



just doesn't look right. Yeah, there's something about it. It56100:30:25.119 --> 00:30:28.160



just looks like it looks pasty. Yeah, I don't know,56200:30:28.240 --> 00:30:29.799



I have any other way to describe it.56300:30:30.079 --> 00:30:32.279



Well, it's the scene too where he ejects from the56400:30:32.279 --> 00:30:35.200



cargo plane. Now, that's the other thing that's I mean,56500:30:35.240 --> 00:30:37.640



that's just a product of its time with CGI and56600:30:37.920 --> 00:30:40.599



special effects. They didn't even really use CGI back then.56700:30:40.720 --> 00:30:44.480



No, this was this came out in nineteen ninety and56800:30:45.720 --> 00:30:48.079



which which will bring me to another point in a moment.56900:30:48.160 --> 00:30:51.559



But yeah, that whole you can just see how green57000:30:51.599 --> 00:30:54.279



screened it is. Yes, the explosion in the background.57100:30:54.359 --> 00:30:57.200



Yeah, and his you know, his facial expressions on the57200:30:57.240 --> 00:30:58.039



ejection seat.57300:30:58.240 --> 00:31:02.400



Yeah, yeah, to see when thirties have ejection seas. I57400:31:02.440 --> 00:31:04.680



don't think they do, Like, why would you need an57500:31:04.720 --> 00:31:07.079



ejection seat. You would like if you were going to57600:31:07.119 --> 00:31:09.200



get out, you would open up the back and you57700:31:09.200 --> 00:31:12.799



would jump out with a parachute and not it's movie57800:31:12.960 --> 00:31:18.279



movie magic, a fighters jet or whatever. The I cannot57900:31:18.319 --> 00:31:20.599



run this down, and I tried last night very hard,58000:31:21.119 --> 00:31:24.000



but but my wife and I both noticed it. When58100:31:26.759 --> 00:31:32.400



I think it's when the British plane lands. I think58200:31:32.400 --> 00:31:35.920



it's then. It might be, yeah, I think it's when58300:31:35.960 --> 00:31:39.960



the British because it's fairly early on. There's a music58400:31:40.079 --> 00:31:44.200



queue that I swear to God, the same music queue58500:31:44.680 --> 00:31:49.839



from the end of the last episode of season three58600:31:50.200 --> 00:31:54.240



of Star Trek The Next Generation, when you're waiting for58700:31:54.400 --> 00:31:59.200



Riker to say fire at the Borg and and Picarda's58800:31:59.240 --> 00:32:03.720



locutus is dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb58900:32:03.799 --> 00:32:06.000



dumb dumb dum. Oh. But they you know, they use that.59000:32:06.279 --> 00:32:09.799



They used that that music a lot and a lot59100:32:09.799 --> 00:32:12.440



of films and a lot of movies. It's actually in59200:32:13.200 --> 00:32:16.680



First Contact, it's in some of the Star Trek movies.59300:32:16.720 --> 00:32:20.400



With the next generation cast. So they use that, they59400:32:20.480 --> 00:32:22.440



use that, they reuse that, and they use that a lot.59500:32:22.559 --> 00:32:24.839



I looked up the composers and they're not the same people.59600:32:25.119 --> 00:32:27.480



The only thing that's the same is they both were59700:32:27.559 --> 00:32:31.319



nineteen ninety yeah, and so I don't know. Maybe they59800:32:31.359 --> 00:32:35.920



had like like sound recording studios near each other and59900:32:35.960 --> 00:32:38.240



they're like, oh man, that that would work in my spot,60000:32:38.359 --> 00:32:38.559



you know.60100:32:38.839 --> 00:32:42.480



Or maybe it's just like a session musicians who who60200:32:42.519 --> 00:32:45.480



were playing the same soundtrack or something.60300:32:45.720 --> 00:32:46.200



I don't know.60400:32:46.319 --> 00:32:48.839



It's a reused sound clip and I've heard I've heard60500:32:48.880 --> 00:32:50.640



it in other films. I just can't recall now.60600:32:51.000 --> 00:32:54.160



I mean, the orchestration is a little bit different, but60700:32:53.440 --> 00:32:58.680



the music itself is spot on, and I just I60800:32:58.759 --> 00:33:01.400



don't I could not could not find anything. I did60900:33:01.440 --> 00:33:05.000



all the googling. I could possibly, like, you know, AI61000:33:05.160 --> 00:33:07.000



ship to whatever, try to to try to make some61100:33:07.079 --> 00:33:09.960



kind of connection, and it just wanted to tell me61200:33:10.000 --> 00:33:14.000



about the excuse me individually, but not not together. But61300:33:14.039 --> 00:33:17.359



it's the same. It's the same music. Cue. Yeah, It's61400:33:17.400 --> 00:33:19.519



just that anticipation.61500:33:19.559 --> 00:33:24.920



Yeah, yeah, that anticipatory, nervous anticipation music.61600:33:25.079 --> 00:33:29.599



Yeah, this film has a much higher body count than61700:33:29.640 --> 00:33:35.400



the first one for sure, eating civilians and uh, criminals alike.61800:33:35.759 --> 00:33:39.119



You're not counting the windsor airlines plane. Even if you61900:33:39.119 --> 00:33:42.839



don't count that, there's still tens of people who die,62000:33:43.720 --> 00:33:47.559



and there's uh, there's way more explosions. Yeah, remember in62100:33:47.599 --> 00:33:50.480



the in the first movie there's the explosion towards the end, right,62200:33:50.920 --> 00:33:53.200



and this one there's at least there's at least four62300:33:53.279 --> 00:33:57.480



or five times that large explosions, not just you know,62400:33:57.599 --> 00:34:00.440



small ones, but very large, very large explosion. I think62500:34:00.440 --> 00:34:05.400



that the analog of the scene in the first movie62600:34:05.599 --> 00:34:10.320



where the roof of the Knokotomi plaza is going to62700:34:10.360 --> 00:34:14.760



explode when he ties the fire hose around his waist62800:34:15.119 --> 00:34:18.159



and then jumps off the side and then has to62900:34:18.440 --> 00:34:22.920



shoot out the window with his bare feet get across63000:34:22.960 --> 00:34:25.639



the glass. Yeah, there's a lot of blood loss in63100:34:25.679 --> 00:34:28.719



both of these films. For John, I like, you just63200:34:28.800 --> 00:34:31.239



have an ivy running at the end of both films.63300:34:31.800 --> 00:34:35.559



But I think that the analog for that is the63400:34:35.760 --> 00:34:39.480



is the ejection seat scene. Yes, with the explosion. Yeah,63500:34:39.559 --> 00:34:42.719



they really they didn't vary that much from the pattern63600:34:42.760 --> 00:34:43.719



of the first one at all.63700:34:43.800 --> 00:34:46.679



Well, it's again it's it's what John McLean can survive, which,63800:34:46.920 --> 00:34:50.239



you know, it seemed to exponentially go up in this film.63900:34:50.280 --> 00:34:52.039



There was a little I mean, you.64000:34:52.000 --> 00:34:54.880



Know, tying a hose to you and jumping off the64100:34:54.920 --> 00:34:56.679



top of a building is kind of a wild thing64200:34:56.719 --> 00:34:58.159



that only happens in movies. Right.64300:34:58.599 --> 00:35:01.320



There's no sort of reality that movie. But the rest64400:35:01.360 --> 00:35:05.360



of the film kind of follows this. They kind of64500:35:05.400 --> 00:35:08.440



stretch the rules of reality and physics a little bit, right,64600:35:08.480 --> 00:35:10.960



But the second movie kind of ramps that up exponentially.64700:35:11.079 --> 00:35:11.320



Yeah.64800:35:11.320 --> 00:35:13.320



He's on the wing of a plane that's about to64900:35:13.360 --> 00:35:16.639



take off, and he's having this climactic battle with this65000:35:16.880 --> 00:35:20.079



two Special Forces officers that he kills, not just one,65100:35:20.159 --> 00:35:23.039



that's just one, yeah, two that he manages to kill65200:35:23.199 --> 00:35:26.199



indirect combat while he's on the wing of a plane.65300:35:26.239 --> 00:35:32.599



This everyman LAPD cigarette smoking drinking cop probably you know,65400:35:32.679 --> 00:35:35.639



probably doesn't run like a ten minute mile, right, He65500:35:36.239 --> 00:35:40.000



just destroys two Special Forces officers hand to hand, hand65600:35:40.039 --> 00:35:42.519



to hand, hand to like who taught you to fight?65700:35:43.000 --> 00:35:45.679



I don't know, yeah, just overcoming these crazy odds. Grew65800:35:45.760 --> 00:35:48.079



up on the streets of New York fighting I don't know. Yeah,65900:35:48.119 --> 00:35:50.639



And that's and that's again, that's the reason why these66000:35:50.679 --> 00:35:51.800



movies are so well loved.66100:35:51.840 --> 00:35:56.000



Right, Well, I didn't. I'm sort of remembering that there66200:35:56.079 --> 00:36:00.480



was a point where where Bruce willis trying to be66300:36:00.519 --> 00:36:03.639



a boxer. I think maybe before.66400:36:03.480 --> 00:36:06.960



He before he broke into acting, before he broke into acting,66500:36:07.000 --> 00:36:09.480



before he was on and then a little then a66600:36:09.519 --> 00:36:12.119



little bit while he was an actor, when he was66700:36:12.119 --> 00:36:15.000



in because his big break was Moonlighting the TV show. Yeah,66800:36:15.280 --> 00:36:18.760



so that's before then he was trying to be a boxer.66900:36:18.920 --> 00:36:23.559



Yeah. The first season or so of that show was great,67000:36:23.800 --> 00:36:26.679



and then it just got really difficult. It's hard for67100:36:26.719 --> 00:36:28.719



me to remember. I was so small. I think when67200:36:28.719 --> 00:36:31.559



it was out and people were watching it, sylviil Shepherd67300:36:31.679 --> 00:36:36.559



was she was really good, but she got very difficult67400:36:36.920 --> 00:36:39.400



and she got pregnant somewhere along the line and then67500:36:39.440 --> 00:36:41.159



went there and she was kind of a difficult person67600:36:41.159 --> 00:36:43.199



to work with and they stopped getting along and so67700:36:43.960 --> 00:36:46.400



they were just not even on the on the screen67800:36:46.480 --> 00:36:49.039



that much together toward the end of that show.67900:36:49.280 --> 00:36:51.880



Yeah, but he definitely was a boxer that I remember68000:36:51.920 --> 00:36:52.800



him talking about that.68100:36:52.960 --> 00:36:56.199



Yeah, but is he he's not boxing when.68200:36:58.599 --> 00:37:01.559



No, Yeah, he is street fighting and he just again68300:37:01.639 --> 00:37:05.159



overcomes the odds and kills them both before the or68400:37:05.159 --> 00:37:08.239



at least he beats the second guy to the point68500:37:08.239 --> 00:37:10.400



where he can kind of jump off the wing, yeah68600:37:10.559 --> 00:37:12.679



and pull the fuel line right.68700:37:12.800 --> 00:37:17.880



Yeah. Yeah. That's another interesting point of the film that68800:37:18.880 --> 00:37:21.320



it all the other planes are allowed to land even68900:37:21.360 --> 00:37:28.360



though there's no landing lights on the airport because John69000:37:28.440 --> 00:37:31.599



McClain has pulled the fuel dump on the plane that's69100:37:31.639 --> 00:37:33.679



trying to escape with it. You we even talked about69200:37:33.679 --> 00:37:35.960



like the point of this that they were trying to69300:37:36.480 --> 00:37:44.519



for some reason liberate this South American drug lord dictator,69400:37:44.559 --> 00:37:47.599



former dictator, I don't know. He'd been president or something69500:37:47.639 --> 00:37:50.280



and then he got thrown out of office and then69600:37:50.320 --> 00:37:53.119



he became a drug lord. That does that? Get that right?69700:37:53.159 --> 00:37:53.639



I think so?69800:37:54.199 --> 00:37:56.920



I think he was he was a dictator, but he69900:37:57.000 --> 00:38:00.159



was like a really bloody dictator who was who's so70000:38:00.199 --> 00:38:00.920



a drug lord?70100:38:00.960 --> 00:38:03.960



After he and a general and a general just like70200:38:04.039 --> 00:38:07.239



a variety of things, every yeah, everything, And.70300:38:07.159 --> 00:38:09.559



They never really say did they say where he's from?70400:38:09.800 --> 00:38:11.599



Was it supposed to be? Like I don't think they70500:38:11.679 --> 00:38:12.920



even said what the country here?70600:38:13.000 --> 00:38:15.519



They made the country. It was a made up country.70700:38:15.519 --> 00:38:17.239



And do you notice too that at points he had70800:38:17.239 --> 00:38:19.920



a little bit of a British accent. It's again this70900:38:19.920 --> 00:38:23.280



thing where it's like the British accent can be South American,71000:38:23.440 --> 00:38:25.719



it could be German, it could be a lot of71100:38:25.719 --> 00:38:26.519



different places.71200:38:26.639 --> 00:38:30.119



Yeah. Yeah, Actually I was gonna throw this into that.71300:38:30.159 --> 00:38:32.000



I was talking about John like Wasama being in this71400:38:32.039 --> 00:38:34.280



film and not just barely being in it, mostly cut71500:38:34.320 --> 00:38:36.519



out of it and they dubbed his voice and everything.71600:38:37.039 --> 00:38:40.920



But this movie was produced by Joel Silver and so71700:38:41.119 --> 00:38:45.280



was Executive Decision, and John, like Guizamo, had a like71800:38:45.519 --> 00:38:50.880



central role in Executive Decision. Another I think of that71900:38:50.920 --> 00:38:53.519



one as the flip side of Air Force one. Yeah,72000:38:54.159 --> 00:38:55.960



and then came out around the same time, and I72100:38:56.440 --> 00:38:59.920



think that Executive Decision is the better movie in part72200:39:00.039 --> 00:39:02.280



because they kill off John Claude van Dam in the72300:39:02.320 --> 00:39:04.880



first five minutes, Like, who doesn't want to see that?72400:39:07.360 --> 00:39:09.960



You should do executive decisions sometimes, that is a that72500:39:10.039 --> 00:39:10.960



is a great flick.72600:39:11.159 --> 00:39:13.559



We should, we should, We should cover a lot of72700:39:13.559 --> 00:39:16.719



these action flicks from this time period, because I feel72800:39:16.760 --> 00:39:19.760



like when it comes to movies now, if it's not72900:39:19.840 --> 00:39:22.519



a really big spectacle, And that's why I kind of73000:39:22.760 --> 00:39:25.760



this movie was a little strange because this was like73100:39:25.800 --> 00:39:28.719



a terrorist operation in Washington, DC, where like thousands of73200:39:28.719 --> 00:39:31.280



people were gonna die, so the stakes got really high.73300:39:31.880 --> 00:39:36.199



But now movies are these big spectacles, like the superhero movies,73400:39:36.320 --> 00:39:38.880



and it's like, oh, the end of the world is coming.73500:39:38.960 --> 00:39:42.000



It's not just you know, this one attack that's happening73600:39:42.519 --> 00:39:45.920



and the everyman overcoming the odds. I feel like this73700:39:45.960 --> 00:39:48.400



is a genre they don't really touch anymore. I haven't73800:39:48.519 --> 00:39:52.000



really seen or looked at or or gone to the73900:39:52.000 --> 00:39:55.039



theater to see a movie where it's a thriller like this.74000:39:55.119 --> 00:39:58.719



It's an action thriller with an everyman who can die.74100:39:58.960 --> 00:40:01.960



Possibly there's there's significant.74200:40:01.480 --> 00:40:04.320



Risk that can die. Part is probably the biggest one,74300:40:04.320 --> 00:40:07.519



because I always say that probably Mission Impossible would be74400:40:07.559 --> 00:40:08.159



the closest.74500:40:08.519 --> 00:40:11.440



Yeah, Mission Impossible. They've but they're almost so formulaic.74600:40:11.480 --> 00:40:13.840



Now. Yeah, there's almost ten of them. Yeah. I did74700:40:13.840 --> 00:40:17.119



not see the last one because it got such horrific reviews. Yeah,74800:40:17.280 --> 00:40:19.159



and I have no idea what happened. And then there's74900:40:19.199 --> 00:40:22.000



The Fast and the Furious. But they've all every character.75000:40:22.599 --> 00:40:25.519



Every character in that movie has become pretty much like75100:40:25.599 --> 00:40:29.519



a superhero who cannot die by any normal human means.75200:40:29.639 --> 00:40:31.000



Even when they die, they come back.75300:40:31.119 --> 00:40:33.719



Yeah, so there's no stakes. Yeah, but then there's no75400:40:33.840 --> 00:40:37.119



movie like this where you see the hero get really hurt.75500:40:37.280 --> 00:40:39.960



You know, he got stabbed, he's bleeding. You know, you're75600:40:40.199 --> 00:40:42.880



talking about how much blood is he losing during this movie,75700:40:42.880 --> 00:40:44.599



and it might be a little unrealistic at the end,75800:40:44.679 --> 00:40:47.159



he's going to be anemic and weak, right, Yeah, but75900:40:47.519 --> 00:40:51.400



there's nothing like that. There's nothing comparable to die Hard76000:40:51.920 --> 00:40:54.719



that has come since then. And these movies were so76100:40:54.880 --> 00:40:58.079



popular and so well loved. I remember my friends and76200:40:58.119 --> 00:41:00.159



I when we were in high school and Diehard with76300:41:00.199 --> 00:41:03.079



a Vengeance came out, and then it came out on VHS.76400:41:03.079 --> 00:41:06.400



This is how old I am. Audience came out on VHS.76500:41:06.519 --> 00:41:08.840



We went to the video store, we rented it probably76600:41:08.880 --> 00:41:12.079



every week that we could, and just watched it every76700:41:12.119 --> 00:41:15.159



weekend at a sleepover when we were fourteen years old. Yeah,76800:41:15.280 --> 00:41:19.599



and so these movies became iconic. We started repeating John76900:41:19.639 --> 00:41:22.639



McLean's lines from die Hard with a Vengeance And they77000:41:22.639 --> 00:41:25.480



don't have anything similar these days. With all the sequels77100:41:25.480 --> 00:41:28.719



that they're coming out with the remakes, they haven't thought, hey,77200:41:28.760 --> 00:41:31.400



maybe we can make something similar to die Hard, but77300:41:31.480 --> 00:41:32.199



not die Hard.77400:41:33.239 --> 00:41:36.239



I think maybe the closest on TV might be.77500:41:36.679 --> 00:41:39.119



A Reacher yeah, which is episodic.77600:41:39.280 --> 00:41:41.480



Yeah, it's episodic, yeah.77700:41:41.159 --> 00:41:43.239



Which is what we get now, Like we either get77800:41:43.239 --> 00:41:47.400



the big spectacle superhero movies, some pretty good art horror77900:41:47.440 --> 00:41:50.760



movies that they're coming out with these days, oscar Bait,78000:41:51.239 --> 00:41:53.599



but they don't stay in the theater is very long78100:41:54.079 --> 00:41:57.079



or the you know, this franchise has to make a78200:41:57.079 --> 00:41:59.639



billion dollars or it's a failure, which is part of78300:41:59.679 --> 00:42:03.960



the reason and why I really appreciated that the tone78400:42:04.360 --> 00:42:07.719



of this movie, it was dark like in modern film.78500:42:07.760 --> 00:42:08.960



I don't know what they do, and I don't know78600:42:09.000 --> 00:42:12.000



if Sebastian knows to speak to this better, but it78700:42:12.000 --> 00:42:15.079



feels like they put everything digitally through a filter where78800:42:15.119 --> 00:42:18.719



everything is brighter. In this movie they weren't afraid for78900:42:18.960 --> 00:42:21.039



It was probably a shot on you know, like physical79000:42:21.159 --> 00:42:26.559



it's probably cellular, right, and that has this grainy, darker79100:42:26.679 --> 00:42:30.519



texture for all the scenes where there's shadows that they79200:42:30.559 --> 00:42:32.920



can play with. And that's one of the things I've79300:42:32.920 --> 00:42:35.639



noticed about modern films that it looks like aside from79400:42:35.679 --> 00:42:38.159



the green screen stuff and all the cgi they put79500:42:38.199 --> 00:42:40.920



in that you might not even notice. They seem to79600:42:40.960 --> 00:42:42.920



just get rid of any sort of shadow on the79700:42:42.920 --> 00:42:45.280



faces of the actors, and I feel like it adds79800:42:45.320 --> 00:42:48.840



so much more layers and tones and emotions when they79900:42:48.840 --> 00:42:50.079



can play with those shadows.80000:42:50.400 --> 00:42:53.719



Yeah, yeah, yeah, that actually makes sense. I think that80100:42:53.800 --> 00:42:56.039



there was a I don't know if it was intentional,80200:42:56.079 --> 00:43:02.559



but it looked intentional to me. Easter from airplane in80300:43:02.559 --> 00:43:07.519



this and it's when when the news casters broadcasting from80400:43:07.519 --> 00:43:11.639



the plane and everyone knows that that that they're terrorists80500:43:11.639 --> 00:43:14.000



and all this stuff's going on because they people in80600:43:14.079 --> 00:43:16.199



the airport have not been told the truth about what's80700:43:16.199 --> 00:43:18.599



happening at all. They've been just like like, oh, you know,80800:43:18.760 --> 00:43:20.800



just we're having technical problems or whatever, and we'll get80900:43:20.800 --> 00:43:23.159



it back online as soon as we can, and planes81000:43:23.159 --> 00:43:24.920



will be arriving and you're not going to miss your81100:43:24.920 --> 00:43:29.920



connections and whatever whatever. And uh, when people start panicking81200:43:29.920 --> 00:43:34.639



and running out, they were running through the doors and81300:43:34.679 --> 00:43:37.000



like the doors broke and people were falling on the81400:43:37.079 --> 00:43:40.239



on the on the on the on the ground. There's81500:43:40.239 --> 00:43:43.639



a scene an airplane where they're running and I think81600:43:43.679 --> 00:43:45.800



they hit the doors and the whole like thing comes81700:43:45.840 --> 00:43:50.559



down and then they keep running. Nobody falls though. An airplane,81800:43:50.599 --> 00:43:54.599



an airplane, it looks it looks very similar an airplane.81900:43:55.639 --> 00:43:58.639



We did Airplane sometime back. Airplane is based on another movie.82000:44:00.039 --> 00:44:02.679



It was called Zero Hour. Yeah, and it's a satire82100:44:03.159 --> 00:44:08.199



satire of Zero Hour. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What else do82200:44:08.280 --> 00:44:10.239



we want to say about this film before we wrap82300:44:10.280 --> 00:44:14.079



it up? Did we see where it was shot? I82400:44:14.119 --> 00:44:15.199



was gonna see if it's said.82500:44:15.679 --> 00:44:19.320



I think it's right there where it says the one82600:44:19.320 --> 00:44:25.639



more down, good, yeah, down, one more, one more. The82700:44:25.639 --> 00:44:29.320



shooting was originally yeah, going to take place in Washington State.82800:44:29.639 --> 00:44:33.119



Oh right, Yeah, and they but it was warm. It82900:44:33.159 --> 00:44:33.760



was too warm.83000:44:33.840 --> 00:44:36.199



They tried to find snow everywhere, and they were getting83100:44:36.239 --> 00:44:37.480



snow trucked in from Canada.83200:44:37.679 --> 00:44:40.039



Yes. And then when they were.83300:44:39.960 --> 00:44:43.079



In Colorado for the snowmobile chase, Oh it got to83400:44:43.599 --> 00:44:44.599



seventeen degrees.83500:44:46.320 --> 00:44:48.840



Gets a fake snow when a massive blizzard of temperatures83600:44:49.079 --> 00:44:51.920



will blow freezing swept the state and shooting got to83700:44:51.920 --> 00:44:58.199



be shut down. Yeah, so that the Snowmobille sequence was83800:44:58.239 --> 00:45:01.679



in Colorado, Yeah, where was really cold? They should just83900:45:01.719 --> 00:45:03.440



have shown it. They should just have said it was84000:45:03.519 --> 00:45:09.159



Denver because a port. Yeah, yeah, mile High, you know,84100:45:09.960 --> 00:45:14.239



and that's where Holly McLean's family could have been from. Yeah,84200:45:14.440 --> 00:45:15.960



they didn't have to be in d C. I mean,84300:45:16.440 --> 00:45:18.440



I mean the only reason that it would be that84400:45:18.480 --> 00:45:20.440



they had used d C was that they were bringing84500:45:20.480 --> 00:45:26.800



in this this fugitive dictator, drug lord general guy. Yeah,84600:45:26.840 --> 00:45:28.159



so they had to set up that part of it.84700:45:29.079 --> 00:45:33.280



He Uh, he had many roles to play, I guess, yeah,84800:45:33.679 --> 00:45:39.480



fugitive drug lord, general, dictator, got dictator. Don't never forget84900:45:39.519 --> 00:45:44.239



the dictator, all right. I say that we we throw85000:45:44.280 --> 00:45:46.599



a little rating on this sucker, and uh and I85100:45:46.760 --> 00:45:48.800



try to come up with a way to rate it85200:45:48.840 --> 00:45:54.079



every time, like a A a unit of measurement, and uh,85300:45:54.119 --> 00:45:56.199



for this one, I think maybe it's going to be85400:45:58.239 --> 00:46:05.360



ridiculously convenient. Ejection seats. I was gonna say, ejection seats.85500:46:05.519 --> 00:46:07.880



There you go. Yes, what are we doing? One through five?85600:46:08.000 --> 00:46:10.320



One through five? Yes, five is best, one is one85700:46:10.400 --> 00:46:13.719



is worst? Oh man, I got to give this one85800:46:14.480 --> 00:46:16.719



a three and a half. And I think it's just85900:46:16.719 --> 00:46:19.960



because of those pace the pacing problems. Yeah, yeah, those.86000:46:19.800 --> 00:46:22.360



Times where they had to add the little dialogue in86100:46:22.400 --> 00:46:26.039



between the action scenes. It just chopped it up too slow.86200:46:26.480 --> 00:46:27.239



Yeah. Yeah.86300:46:27.480 --> 00:46:30.840



The other the other Diehards were almost perfect. I mean86400:46:30.880 --> 00:46:34.480



Diehard with the Vengeance, the the in between action set86500:46:34.480 --> 00:46:37.280



pieces were paced perfectly, so.86600:46:37.840 --> 00:46:40.480



Comparing it to the first film. In the third film,86700:46:40.639 --> 00:46:43.159



this one just moved too slow at some points. This86800:46:43.199 --> 00:46:45.639



one was just over two hours. I'm curious about what86900:46:45.679 --> 00:46:49.800



the what the first one and the third one were, Yeah,87000:46:50.920 --> 00:46:53.880



link run time. Let me see two hours and twelve87100:46:53.920 --> 00:46:56.880



minutes for the first one, but it was still tighter,87200:46:57.480 --> 00:47:02.159



and Vengeance is two hours and eight minutes. Yeah, so87300:47:02.280 --> 00:47:05.840



this one's shorter, but things about it feel longer.87400:47:06.400 --> 00:47:09.400



Yes, things about it feel longer in this one, and87500:47:09.440 --> 00:47:11.360



so I had to That was one of the things87600:47:11.400 --> 00:47:13.880



I was struggling with it was it was hard not87700:47:14.079 --> 00:47:19.199



to let my focus wander when the pieces where they87800:47:19.239 --> 00:47:21.000



were talking about the tower and how we're gonna get87900:47:21.000 --> 00:47:23.400



the communication up would come up. It was hard not88000:47:23.480 --> 00:47:25.880



to let my focus wander. It just got so out88100:47:25.880 --> 00:47:27.719



of there. And then, as a fun thing, I watched88200:47:27.719 --> 00:47:31.559



this the Diehard two yesterday in the afternoon, and then88300:47:31.599 --> 00:47:33.360



die Hard with a Vengeance popped up on my you88400:47:33.400 --> 00:47:35.800



should watch this fee and I watched it again. I88500:47:35.840 --> 00:47:38.519



was like, this movie is just so I would give88600:47:38.559 --> 00:47:40.000



that one a five out of five.88700:47:40.320 --> 00:47:44.760



Yeah, yeah, I can't disagree with you there. Yeah, it's88800:47:45.159 --> 00:47:47.599



it's it's a tighter film, even though it's a little88900:47:47.639 --> 00:47:51.360



bit longer. The thing that the knock against three is89000:47:51.400 --> 00:47:55.800



that it slices up New York in terms of travel89100:47:55.840 --> 00:47:57.840



time in ways that are impossible.89200:47:58.079 --> 00:48:01.719



Yes, which is the fun part of it. They're running89300:48:01.760 --> 00:48:05.199



through the parks, they're taking taxis through Central Park and89400:48:05.440 --> 00:48:07.400



just to get you know, they're they're talking about how89500:48:07.440 --> 00:48:09.920



you can't get you know, from downtown to uptown in89600:48:09.960 --> 00:48:11.920



this amount of time, how impossible it's going to be.89700:48:12.280 --> 00:48:14.599



And then everybody you know who's in New Yorker, who's89800:48:14.639 --> 00:48:17.480



lived there the whole life, Samuel Jackson, Zeus and John McClain,89900:48:17.519 --> 00:48:18.760



they're like, no, I know how to get there. We'll90000:48:18.800 --> 00:48:20.760



do it this way, and they do it and it works.90100:48:21.320 --> 00:48:23.599



The same is true of Bullet in San Francisco, same90200:48:23.679 --> 00:48:26.840



is true of Collateral in La Like, even though it's90300:48:26.920 --> 00:48:29.400



late at night, there's still no way you're getting around90400:48:29.400 --> 00:48:32.039



that fast. Yeah, that's a weird movie too. I don't90500:48:32.039 --> 00:48:34.960



know that that's not exactly a thriller, but that might90600:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.239



be one to talk about at some point. Yeah, for me,90700:48:37.280 --> 00:48:39.039



if the three and a half is probably about right,90800:48:39.079 --> 00:48:44.320



three three and a half is in ejection seats. It was.90900:48:45.159 --> 00:48:48.960



It was better than I remembered it being, and I91000:48:49.280 --> 00:48:51.599



this is one I don't think I ever I didn't91100:48:51.599 --> 00:48:53.400



think I ever saw this one in the theater or anything.91200:48:53.440 --> 00:48:58.079



I think I followed up years later to watch this one,91300:48:58.480 --> 00:49:02.199



and I remember feeling like it wasn't as good as91400:49:02.239 --> 00:49:04.320



the first one, which now I think it's it's in91500:49:04.360 --> 00:49:07.239



some ways, you know, on a par it's it's more91600:49:07.320 --> 00:49:11.840



ridiculous than the first one, for sure, but but it's91700:49:11.840 --> 00:49:16.480



it's good. And that the ejection seat scene bothered me91800:49:17.400 --> 00:49:20.440



more the first time because I didn't see it coming91900:49:20.480 --> 00:49:23.400



and it looks terrible. This one, I knew it was coming,92000:49:23.440 --> 00:49:27.000



and so it's like, oh, I see how they did that. Yeah. Yeah,92100:49:27.280 --> 00:49:29.360



this was the first time I'd ever sat down and92200:49:29.400 --> 00:49:33.239



watched this movie in its entirety. It's just funny since92300:49:33.280 --> 00:49:34.559



you're such a fan of the third one.92400:49:34.679 --> 00:49:38.039



Yeah, And the reason being is that I had thought92500:49:38.400 --> 00:49:40.320



that I had seen this movie for a really long92600:49:40.400 --> 00:49:43.679



time because it had always been on in syndication during92700:49:43.719 --> 00:49:48.840



the holidays, and back then when TNTTBS, whatever Turner Network92800:49:48.960 --> 00:49:51.639



was showing this during that period of time, they would92900:49:51.679 --> 00:49:54.400



stretch the run time by breaking it up with a93000:49:54.440 --> 00:49:57.280



bunch of commercials. So it ends up being like more93100:49:57.360 --> 00:49:59.360



like a three and a half to four hour movie.93200:49:59.559 --> 00:50:02.880



So you're down and you're watching it progressively through like93300:50:02.920 --> 00:50:04.760



a holiday, but then you're getting up to do things93400:50:04.760 --> 00:50:07.280



and then you totally lose the movie. So I had93500:50:07.320 --> 00:50:10.840



memories of watching this movie in bits and pieces in93600:50:10.840 --> 00:50:13.239



the past. Some of it was really refreshing my memory.93700:50:13.239 --> 00:50:15.039



Oh maybe I'd seen this part, I'd seen this part,93800:50:15.320 --> 00:50:17.639



but I'd never sat down and watched the whole thing93900:50:17.760 --> 00:50:19.480



all the way to the end and saw the ending.94000:50:19.519 --> 00:50:21.960



I'd never realized it. Kaye, motherfucker came.94100:50:21.800 --> 00:50:25.000



From the end of the end of this movie.94200:50:25.119 --> 00:50:27.719



Yeah, so that's because I mean back when we again,94300:50:27.760 --> 00:50:29.639



when we were kids, the cool thing was finding like94400:50:29.679 --> 00:50:32.440



t shirts with John McLain that said kaya you know,94500:50:32.679 --> 00:50:34.559



that was like counterculture thing in the nineties.94600:50:35.119 --> 00:50:36.559



Yeah, So it.94700:50:36.599 --> 00:50:38.559



Was really nice to finally watch it, and it was94800:50:38.599 --> 00:50:40.840



a lot better than I had remembered.94900:50:40.400 --> 00:50:43.480



The snippets being. But those again, those pacing issues really95000:50:43.519 --> 00:50:46.559



knocked it down for me. Yeah, all right, Josh, where95100:50:46.599 --> 00:50:47.400



can people find you?95200:50:47.760 --> 00:50:50.719



People can find me at Amazing j rab on Instagram95300:50:50.800 --> 00:50:54.159



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word of fifty six numbers, fifty recent facts of the95700:51:00.679 --> 00:51:04.360



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Thank you sir. That was fun. It was fun. Cheryl96000:51:14.920 --> 00:51:16.440



actually sat down and watched this with me, and she96100:51:17.119 --> 00:51:20.559



like she appreciated just the time capsule of it, you know.96200:51:20.960 --> 00:51:22.039



Oh yeah, that was one of the things.96300:51:22.079 --> 00:51:24.079



I was just how it was such a.96400:51:24.039 --> 00:51:26.599



Snippet of the early nineties. Yeah, if you want to96500:51:26.639 --> 00:51:31.360



do one for Christmas, scrooged have you ever seen the96600:51:31.400 --> 00:51:35.559



bill Murray Baby screwg Yeah, I am not my favorite96700:51:35.639 --> 00:51:38.119



Christmas very long time. Yeah, we do that one. Let's96800:51:38.159 --> 00:51:43.679



do that one for Christmas. The Film Festival last year