Do celebrities inspire cult behavior (Huberman, Diddy, etc.)?

0:09 Welcome. Ostensibly, this is the four hundredth episode of this show. However, we're not celebrating yet because we have done about eleven you know, rewinds, encores what they call it, Yeah, reruns, reruns, whatever you want to call it. You do, like reruns not a term no more. Yeah, I know, because it don't really exist anymore. Right, But then, like, but people go back and watch Game of Thrones. Yeah, you're watching a rerun. Yeah it's a rerun, but it's but but you're doing the running, right, Yeah, they're always there. They are always always there at the streaming age is a different time for all of us. But yeah, so I don't know. We'll try to cook up something special, some actually special. Today it's just us, just us, it's the boys. It's adult talk. Kids aren't allowed, kids, no kids allowed. Yeah he did. He's an Antigua. He did. He's in Antigua. That is just like, I don't know what's going on.

1:14 Man, My Twitter's crazy right now. I just can't even keep up because then the like half of it is just allegations, not diddyt Obviously, if you're getting rated by Homeland Security, probably something's going on. I don't know, I don't really know how the back end on Homeland Security works. And I don't even know his Homeland Security, the one's supposed to be doing that. I don't know how any of that works either. Is that who's raiding him? Supposedly? I think it was Homeland Security get hit his Miami in his LA house. But then even that, like I don't know who the fuck's reporting it. Yeah, you know, what does any of that mean to me? I literally just maybe I'm going insane, but I just trust nothing and no one. Because my twitter's crazy. Everyone's saying like, well, where's jay Z? And everyone's trying to say he's the next one to be all this shit, all that what they're saying, not Mike saying.

1:57 Mike's not saying shit, Mike's just reading Yeah, streams Knight. They're going crazy the streets snipe, Yeah, they're going crazy a jay Z. They're going crazy at p Diddy. They're they're whipping out interviews that happened, you know, from because P Diddy's been the guy since like nineteen ninety one. Yeah, he's found out Yeah, like every artist ever. So there's interviews of like Usher from twenty sixteen coming out with some weird statements. Nothing like, you know, super revealing, but shit that makes you raise your eyebrow now in hindsight kind of stuff. Justin Bieber came up in that crew, I mean everyone came up with that crew. His his own wife. I think he's only been married once, but his wife was one of his artists, Cassie. I don't even think that's her name, that's her artist name.

2:42 Yeah, there's weird shit. There's weird shit going on in the world. Another fucking royalties tagged into this to that one. Yeah, who Prince Harry whoa Oh, his name's mentioned like multiple times in the allegation. Not that he did anything, he's not alleged yet, but his name's tied in because he used to kick it with P Diddy all the time. Yeah, it's weird. It's getting a little interesting. Yeah, it's weird. I I'm looking for and I can't find it now. Of course, the phrase in in in Australian slang where somebody sticks their head up too far you chop it off. I don't know it's a it's it's a flower reference and I can't think of what it is at the moment. I'm dying because I can't think of it, but I want to. I kind of wonder about that, Like, I mean, these sounds like very serious allegations and four real ones I think out right now. And and as you, you know, pointed out, he's been around and been like had his head above the crowd for a long time, so you know, not maybe that. But then you and I were discussing this article that was in New York magazine about Huberman, and when I encountered it was on Twitter x whatever, and they are all these people like rushing to say, oh, you know, this guy's

4:15 just trying to do good stuff, and you know, just because he fucked around with a bunch of women, yeah on his girlfriend or whatever people said that he did. And then all these people coming forward to try to drop him down because he's like suddenly a big figure. He was nobody, you know, five six years ago. Yeah, I didn't know his rise was that fast. It is fast, because I know, just like in our space, so many people like posted about his we know podcasts four people who've been on the show. Yeah that too, But even before that, people were posting about his podcast that I knew. I guess it's four years ago, but it feels like forever ago because they said, like twenty twenty you start his podcast, yeah, or twenty twenty one, Yeah, twenty twenty one. I think I'll see you go on Lex Friedman podcast and you go on Joe Rogan's podcast. You kind of just get a trampoline into relevancy.

5:05 I guess, yeah, you know, those are those are easy bounds to start a career. But I mean it really comes down to the fact that the guy talks very sciencey, and he communicates a lot of like warmth and concern and is very not a sort of wellness oriented I guess, yeah, you know, and he is relatable to that extent one. Yeah, the language he uses in the article we read or you shared with me. They talked a lot about that and like analyzed why he is who he is or why he's popular. Yeah, and some of it I tied into Neodograss Tyson.

5:46 Yeah, just in terms of like language and why he's popular. Neil like looks more like a nerd, you know, but he uses like nerdy languages and they talk about talking you up, and I feel like Neil does that kind of yeah, and Huberman obviously does that where which has always been like the opposite of my approach to everything, because I do feel and I think this is like a universal agreement or universal thing. People believe that like if you're a true expert, you can talk dumb about it, right, you simplify complex things. And that's what this article kind of said that he not that he doesn't do that, but that he purposely uses big language or like technical language to keep you in the loop, which kind of seems like backwards to me in a sense. Lane Norton's a really good example where I think he does like probably the best balance of both. He's not using total layman's terms, but he's not using all technical terms. He kind of balances it. Our buddy Jordan Sayat's really good at taking the complex and making it crazy simple, you know, making a step one through three on everything, And to me, that's like the goal of mass communication, right, like why are we Yeah, I don't know, I understood how the guy explained it in an article why Hubmman is like that? But I guess there's not that many examples I could think of that do that, yeah and succeed because it doesn't really make sense. No, it doesn't and then but of course what happens then is that people it's like he's he's borrowing vocabulary from science and

7:17 outside of his field, because his field is very very narrow. Yeah, narrower than not even I thought, Yeah, super narrow, just like just visual. Yeah, mice, mice my size. He's a mice size, procause I knew he's a neurologist, which is which could be a very broad category, right, and it could tie more into wellness than just your eyes. Yeah, and not that he doesn't know like obviously he's been you know, he's a scientist. I'm sure he knows other neurological factors much better than I. But then the other thing is his relatability and how he looks. Right, he's tatted, he curses a little bit, he looks cool. He's like the cool dad. Yeah, I know, he's like a cool your friend's cool dad, rather than like some dorky guy that you'd expect from Stanford kind of. The only thing he's missing is the the that usually makes all this stuff work very well, is the military connection. Yeah, and he is in those circles, but yeah, he just doesn't have it himself.

8:09 I don't believe. Yeah, but he's tatted, he's kind of jacked. Yeah, he's a handsome looking cat. You know, he's like normal looking for like a Stanford again, whatever you would think a neurologist would look like. I don't think it would look like him. And then yeah, he's bros with all the cool guys, so of course it's gonna do well. I do wonder how all the bros like choose that like him to be a homie. That's a really good question. I don't have an answer that it's probably it's probably just what you said. It's probably the muscles, because they said Lex Friedman kind of launched him first. I think, Yeah, it's weird. There are two Lex Friedman's and I was not aware of this until recently. I was actually I have been a fan of the other Lex Friedman. Oh, I only know the the is it Columbia or Yale or whatever? Yeah. Let the other Lex Friedman is someone who came up through the podcast world and was involved at the beginnings of of Stitcher and one of the ones before that. And it's like, you know, he was before Stitcher got bought. He was like the head of advertising sales, like a director or VP or whatever. Advertising. It's very different used to be on a podcast himself. I think he maybe still is, but it's different.

9:20 Yeah, whereas this other Lex is like the first dude to do the metaverse interview with Zuckerberg. Yeah, he recently had a It's funny how the world's collide so fast. I've been on like Twitch since like twenty fourteen, watching and streaming sin Is like twenty fifteen sixteen, there's a StarCraft player that's just like getting a bunch of love right now, Destiny, and he switched to like political commentary, but he was on Lex Friedman and debated Ben Shapiro, and then even yesterday I was just watching half of it because it's fucking like three hours. He was just with Jordan Peterson debating him, and it's just crazy the world like same thing, like Derek Moore plays more dates was on Jordan Peterson. I think it's like a Indian connection or some shit, but either way, like people are just so crazy in the world right now.

10:03 I posted that and just saying like, Wow, that's that's a crazy like collab to see. That's literally all I did. I got like two dms, like I see who you are now Mike later, I'm like, bro, if you can't listen to another human speak that has a different opinion than you, we're fucked. Yeah. I didn't say like, wow, Jordan Peterson crushed that debate, or wow, I believe every word and belief that Jordan Peterson has. I didn't say shit, I said wow. This is a crazy collab. And the whole first hour of the podcast is talking about Derek. More places, more dates come up in YouTube, Like what's so controversial about this guy's origin story? Yeah, Like, you guys are fucking crazy out there, and then you wonder why the world's fucked, why everyone's violent, why not everyone's got no friends? Because you can't even listen to another man speak through a screen without freaking the fuck out. Yeah. I am very negative on Jordan Peterson for a lot of reasons. I mean, that's fine, but if you can't listen to another humans, but that is a red flag and a half. But if people are not I mean, if it's not about the things that I that I think that he is propagating that are not in the best interest of most people, then then okay, that's fine. I'd even argue that, like then you can't speak, you can't listen to him. No, I don't actually don't listen to people that I find negative. I don't. Yeah that, Yeah, I don't know.

11:24 I think that just is screaming echo chamber issues. I don't think so, because it's not that I'm n I don't disconnect from from from learning about the issues. I just don't want to deal with people who have such a one sided view of a particular thing. I think that's everyone. That's the issue, that's the echo chamber. I don't know. I mean that's what they talk about people being extreme on either side. I think know the same idea you even brought up with human like as soon as something comes up about him, everyone's like just screaming to defend him or screaming to kill him. Yeah, well why is that because whereas on these extreme opinions, rather than just listening to everything, like he might have cheated on his girlfriend, I don't. I think that might have is is a is A. It's inconsequential to the rest of his whatever. That's the point. But it's pretty clear that he pretty clear did, there's plenty of evidence of that. But he's still just a human. I don't know if there's evidence per se. I mean there's people's words, text messages. Yeah, I didn't see any or hear any of that. Yeah, definitely is in there. But either way, to me, it's regardless. My point is just that, like, if you're so reactionary to everything in this external world unless it feels whatever I believe, I think that's an issue, and that's where we're so divided.

12:39 Well, Like I said, I am fully open to finding out the facts about things that are not propagated by somebody who has only one opinion about it. I think that's ninety nine point nine percent impossible. I think it's pretty impossible when there's when there's actually research about stuff, you know, when there's if you're reading papers, like if you're in scientific papers, yeah, and you or or you know, or interpretations of such things like but any interpretation then wouldn't be fact. M Yeah, totally can be fact by definition. You can you can restate a fact without distorting it, right, right, right? But you said interpretation by definition, interpretation, well, it takes away fact, I think in terms through someone else's lens I read. No, I disagree most of the time relative to that, for sure, well, then what's the definition of interpretation. Well, interpretation is exactly what you were saying before, putting it in language that people can can more broadly understand.

13:39 Oh, in my opinion, interpretation would be taking something and then putting it through a lens. Now that's that's opinion. That's I don't know. I think bytorial as opposed to a description of Well, yeah, description is different than let me let me just well, no, it's still an interpretation because you're taking it from one set of language to another set of language. From that would just be a sciranscript then right, No, no, no, transcript is exactly the same. I mean explaining it breaking it down, that's that's the other other way to put it. A breakdown. Yeah, breakdown is different than interpretation too. I would say, well, we're gonna disagree on this one because I think it. I think that that in an interpretation at a breakdown, it's this is, you know, from this point of view, from this person point of view, but the point of view someone's lens. Yeah, point of view of an authority though, sure, sure, but that's that's if you agree with that authority or not. You could they could still be wrong. Yeah, I'm not saying that. I never read anything that I disagree with. No, I know, but we gotta, yeah, breakdown the definitions of those things. If you're going through someone's point of view, then it's by definition not fact, because everything's going to be interpretation if it's by someone's point of view, because they're taking the info and then they're giving you what they believe in that info. That's what a point of view is. That's where you stand in the information. I don't agree with you that in totality, I believe that that can happen,

15:11 but I don't think that that's what I'm talking about, all right. I don't know exactly what you're talking about. I'm just talking about definition of point of view is that it's not I don't have to go to the people who only believe one particular way to understand what two sides of an issue are. That's what I'm trying to say. Yeah, maybe, yeah, and that's fine. That's different than the definitions of point of view or interpretation I think. But to me, I just think everything is through someone's lens, especially nowadays kind of how I was even joking about Twitter. I don't know what to believe about DIDDI I don't know what to believe about because there's so much attention and money given to content, and nowadays that everyone has an agenda.

15:52 So the chance is that I'm getting pure fact besides a research paper. But even then, but most the world does work through science, you know, science works through science. But like something like Diddy or whether Huberman did something or not, whether all that is just point of view, And that's yeah, I guess, And everyone can go about finding their own point of view or their own beliefs however they'd like, for sure. But my general point is that if you just group everyone together because they're going to listen to other people's point of view, I think that's insane and I think that's the root of some of our issues. So for people to demonize me because I listened to another man speak, I think it's fucking wild. I think if you break that down, that's the wildest concept ever. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean here's the thing. I mean that's literally like fascism, Like, that's fucking crazy. How if you were hook line and sinker of somebody who is a we'll get into an a bit cult figure, essentially cult figure yeah, then if you're hook line and sinker and you're just spouting that stuff over and over again, people people saying I'm done with you would make sense because sure, yeah, and if you find if if you don't want to absorb my content, correct because of that, But to uh yeah, just like demonize a whole group of people for listening. I mean that's literally I think the root of our entire cultural issue right now. I think that

17:22 people are too sensitive to Yeah, that's why thing. I completely agree with you, that's like a five year old Yeah, but if I don't see it, it's not there. Yeah, like what Yeah, that's crazy and it's not like but people do that with politics all the time. They that's what I'm saying. They don't want to have anything. So there are some people who's like, I don't want to have anything to do with politics, Well, politics affects you, buddy, Like you might want to know about it when and I do. Ignorance is bliss. So like, if you want to avoid at all, that's fine, But I think just avoiding one person's voice and probably like I'd never even listened to Jordan Peterson, not that I'm saying he's great or you have to believe in it. But like that dude's a like reading headline and then judging me beyond the base on the headlines that he you know what I mean, because he's from the other side of the political which is which is wild. And yeah, again the interview was with more plates, more dates. Who's a fucking steroid guy, right, you know? But even this new one with Destiny, I was gonna bring it up is because it is fucking just like the epitome of like good internet politics. They're not attacking each other, they're just fucking chatting and it gets a little fired up, you know, because they're both like type A type folks. But like, I think, it's just so good to actually have that. And Jordan says in the beginning, and it's probably a little clickbaity, but in his intro he basically says that how many people he's reached out to to have like a discussion and either one he doesn't he doesn't want to talk to them because they're fucking crazy, or two that they just won't have like a normal discussion because it always ends up talking shit on each other.

18:48 But Destiny's a really smart cat. I've been a fan of Destiny for a while at least his content. I don't agree with everything he says, but he's pretty level headed and the conversation is just extremely level headed, I think, for what you expect on a political chat on the internets. Yeah, back to Huberman for a second. The thing, A couple of things that bug me, without you know, even getting into the personal life stuff, is that when he launched the podcast, he's like, well, this is not an extension of my work and this, you know, this is an informational thing where people are making themselves better and whatever whatever. But he called it human Lab and he's got a lab, and then he was he lives in la and the lab is at Stanford. They're pretty far apart for those of you who live like outside of California, it's like six hour drive.

19:40 It's like, unless he's making the kind of money that lets him bounce him back and forth by plane, there's essentially no way that he's running their day to day operations of it. Like now he's making that money for sure. Andy Gaalpin has a lab. Yeah, but he's Jimmy Bagley has a lab. Yeah. They're active professors. They're at universities they're active professors, Like I don't think that's what's going on with Huberman, And there are like very varying reports about what actually is contained in this lab and whether anyone's currently working at it. Stanfords is one thing, But if I were Stanford, like until the guy like kills somebody or falls off a cliff or whatever, they're going to defend him. So yeah, even though I was reading on Twitter, that's some sponsors they think already pulled out, which is just like it is also hairy to me. It. I first just want to say that we rotated from p Diddy to Huberman and me personally, I'm not throwing them in the same fucking basket for starts to know those listening more about figures, yeah, yeah, yeah, and just the internet going crazy. Yeah, but yeah they said, like whooping, some of these people already are off his website. Shit, yeah, which is a day, Yeah, which is the day? And that's crazy. Like I I one of the last times that we talked about him, I was talking about the fact that he does it as for Athletic Greens, like it's something Yeah they ripped is they

21:11 ripped Athletic Greens apart in that article. Yeah he did, and it was it was it was Lane Norton Lan Norton who on his show said like, there's no there's on Huberman's show, there's no like reason to believe that there's no science behind Yeah, seventy five ingredients in a in a a supplement. Clearly there's like white code biased and there has been for a dec or a century, right, Like that's been a thing. And so obviously they're talking about Huberman in that stance, But they compare him to Show Rogan, which I think is interesting too, where they're like, oh, like you know, I'm summarizing here, but they're like, we don't fault Joe Rogan for pushing athletic greens. He's just Joe Rogan. But Huberman he should not be pushing athletic greens. And I'm like, to me, it's the same, it's the same, right, Like, like wrote Rogan has put himself into a hell one position of authority. Yeah too, obviously like one of the most heard voices on the planet. And then three he talks about health and fitness like he's an expert. So I'm like, why wouldn't you put him in the same just because Huberman's name is lab or doctor, Like, yeah, there is a white Cobias and I'm not a big fan of that in general, but yeah, it's just weird. Like in the article, they they purposely like mention that, Yeah, and I think that's so odd, I like, And then I mean the whole thing is just so complex and odd to me too, right, Like, yeah, just because the guy's a cheater and probably pretty scummy with how he abuses people and friendships and everything, like sounds like he's not fucking awesome. That also doesn't necessarily mean that

22:45 he doesn't know about mice eyes or whatever fuck he studies, you know, but like the article kind of talks like that, and he did obviously stretch well beyond his his area of expertise. But he's had good guests on like we said, like I think Andy Gallupan has been on there, Lane Norton's been on there, and again that's from our world and our side, like we believe those are good guests. And other people may think Andy Galpin's a you know, if you're in the if you think ruby stones are gonna make you jacked or something, then you obviously think Andy Gallpin's a witchcrafty, you know, and it's it is all whatever, but they're real scientists. At least from our experiences over a decade with both of them, it seems like they're actually trying to do good. Yeah. And that's the other big, you know, pedestal that they put Heubreman on. They're like, yeah, he comes from just trying to make everybody good. Like man that I don't know, he has good, good, good guests on. But like part of the having a good guess on is they is the halo effect that you get from having those people around him, because everyone stamping each other, right, Yeah, and it and it looks like because they're on his show, they're endorsing him, which you know, like I would say with Lane, isn't so much true. It's tough. That's a tough thing in general with content, you know, because like it even goes back to my argument of you want to listen to other people, and I think you need to hear other sides and you need to hear all arguments to make a good opinion yourself.

24:04 But then like I'm guilty of it from my own content creation that I wouldn't platform someone that I don't believe in and so like, I don't think we should shut them off the Internet or block them. I think you should listen to multiple points of view. But then, like me, platforming, it does feel weird in certain instances, you know, and that's mostly just because of yeah, I guess my ego, but that is also Internet culture. You are almost stamping someone or bringing them into your crew if you're featuring them on something, you know, and that's just where we're at as an Internet culture. But I don't know if that's right either, you know, unless you set it up like a debate, and then the world knows that you're debating that you're probably opposite opinion of this person, like this Jordan Peterson destiny thing. They set it up that way, their face off, you know, and so you could just tell like, all right, these guys, but even that they could be best friends, right, But then because of the Internet culture, you're like, oh, their debate, they're not best friends, right, Jordan Peterson's only best friends with Hubertman or whoever the fuck? Oh whoever? Yeah. The The thing this always says to me about the popularity of folks like this is that a lot of guys don't know how to be guys unless somebody tells them how to be guys, and that that bothers me at such a basic level. I don't know if that's like a fatherhood failure or you know exactly what it is. I mean, that's

25:37 the most common thing ever, right, that's where like Andrew Tate rose to stardom, Like all these guys are rising to stardom. Sneak oh even started down that path. Like a lot of content creators take that and make a lot of money and run with it. Yeah, because they can, because they can. Yeah, And it probably is a lack of father figures in the world. And probably since I don't know what the data says, but i'd imagine the eighties seventies, you know, single family households or single parent households are probably fucking ten folded since then, probably, so you know, and so that might that might be a big thing. That might big thing. And it's kind of everything. And that is like the cold mind, right, like you find a and the stats show it. You know, it's like money, getting girls, and like getting jacked, Like those are the three things that you can harp on anyone. Yeah, and so if you find that crew, I mean, the fucking teenage mutant Ninja Turtles movie showed us, Like you find some kids that are distraught and you build a cult with them. Yeah, right, Like you find someone who's a little lost, who has just figuring out their way, which is everyone, by the way, Like everyone goes through at least a chapter of that. Yeah, and then you find them in a vulnerable spot and you bring them in, promising all this stuff. You know, the Cold Plunge promises you no anxiety, better muscles, You're gonna be a millionaire, you know, you throw all these things in their red light promises you twenty different things. It is funny we just bring it up so much. But Holms, like step one through five of how to Spot a Gimmick is just everywhere. It's in every the Huberman's ever said. And that's that was our main critique on him,

27:07 and it probably still is at least my main critique. Like cheating is bad, I don't you know, I'm all against infidelity and stuff, but he is a human. But him stretching outside of his expertise to sell stuff, because it's not stepping outside of your expertise to like push the boundaries of what you think is good. You know, Like, I was just talking to one of our members, Jerry, out there, and I'm giving them a bunch of things I think are good because he's trying to train his brother, etc. Jerry. We had him on the podcast. Yeah, y'all know Jerry now. And I'm talking to jerrycause his little brother, and I'm telling him just fitness things I think are good. But I'm not monetizing off of any of those. I'm literally just giving my advice and those may be wrong, although i think I'm an okay expert at lifting and I'm just kidding.

27:49 But the point is humanan's giving all these things and then making money off all these things. Right, He's talking about all these vitamins, he's selling you ag one, talking about taking ice bats, He's selling you a cold tub. He's talk about a red light thing. He has a red light company. Like everything's so calculated that like, and then within that that layer, everything he's telling you fixes everything. Yeah, it's not like cold plint is really good when you have this bullseye of an issue, because then I'll be like, oh, that might make sense, you know, like, but it fixes everything. It fixes everything, and so you're just like Man, but again white coat biased. He's friends with the biggest creators. I mean, I don't know by numbers. I'm pretty fucking sure Rogan's number one podcast is Rogan, but I imagine Huberman, Friedman, and Rogan combined, probably I'll do any other three on the planet. Yeah, right, Like Lex Friedman's podcast goes nuts and I actually enjoy it. I think Lex talks a little bit like Spock, but he always has interesting guests and interesting takes.

28:48 I've never really liked Human's voice, so I just never listened to a ton of them, to be honest. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, man. I think that a lot of it too comes down to being to listen stuff with a critical filter. You know, it's like, wait a minute, like I'm not gonna hook line and sinker this because it doesn't make actual sense to me, or that's not a thing in the real world, or you know. Yeah, it's just hard though, right because everyone who listens to human is probably not a wellness expert. Yeah, you know, and obviously if we had more wellness experts, our whole nation wouldn't be sick and fat, right, Like, obviously people have no clue what fucking works. Yeah, this is true, you know, so it's hard to filter somebody you have no clue, like me listening to like a mechanic episode or something, you know, like, yeah, I know how to fucking use a drill, but I don't know shit about what's going on under the hood, you know, and this guy's telling me the stuff.

29:38 I'll just probably tend to believe it because they are you know. Yeah. That's the other issue with the content in general is the amount of people that gained popularity for like having nothing. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like and human is obviously incredibly smart because if he did a mice eye podcast, it's not getting any views. No, that's true, true, Like he had to go outside of his expertise. Yeah, and then people, you know, people pick up on whatever vocabulary that he's borrowed and thrown into the show, and they use it with like they understand what it means, and he or may may or may not understand what it means. It just fits. Yeah, if it's the content and it's this is not just like wellness, like I actually, you know, consume content outside of fitness, actually mostly outside of fitness, because I don't always vibe with what's out there anyway. There's a there's an account that I follow on Instagram and it's like a it's like building renovation kind of stuff, you know, and fifty percent or more of the time, you know the guy is showing what he did.

30:45 It's like, don't do this. Do this, And a ton of people will come and say, look, I've been a contractor of for twenty five, thirty years or whatever. You hear that's wrong, right, it's just fucking wrong, right, you should do it that way, and that's going to fall apart and months. But that guy gets the most views, tons of views. Yeah, yeah, and he's the guy now. Yeah, it's hard to it's hard to vet that stuff if you don't know anything about it right at all. It's an online coach argument, like eighty percent off people who coach fitness online have never coached in person. Yeah, and that's scary and not that you like have to nowadays because it is such such a different skill set, But like, why why wouldn't you write like I'm just gonna show you how to make a doorframe, but I've never actually built a house, right, I'm just showing you how to make a doorframe out of nowhere, Like, yeah, obviously, in that isolated bubble of me making a doorframe, I could edit it to make it look like I know exactly what's going on. It looks perfect, but again, yeah, with some real expert goes, was like, dude, that thing's gonna fall off the hinge or it's not gonna walk or whatever the fuck. And that's kind of yeah, just the Internet, and that is getting even weirder with deep fakes. It's getting weirder with voices like, yeah, reality is getting quite blurry. What did you just have to do? I think it was main is YouTube. I think that that Now there's a question about whether or not you've used any any deep fakes in your in your video me in general, no people people. I was like me, fuck, I was like, I haven't done anything. Have you seen that I did? Yeah, okay, I think it's mainly feel like shorts, but also I'm sure for I

32:17 think I mentioned on the podcast, I have like a couple accounts that follow me and I'll just like click on a new follower or something that are on AI generated. They'll take like their their face and it's like you could tell because it's kind of in the same general direction. It's probably like the same selfie. And then now they're like in a dress in Paris and they're in a dress on the beach and there, and I could just tell, like, I'm like, bro, that's so literally just AI and these are guys, right, so both both yeah, both sort of got both and I mean not the dress part, but they're they're both male and female, and and their skins obviously fucking perfect. Their eyes are fucking gleaming. Yeah, And it's just the whole page is just AI generated and some of them got like, yeah, fifty k followers something, You're like, Jesus Christ, I get that. It's like aesthetically pleasing, but yeah, how fake.

33:05 Yeah, you know literally deep, I mean deep fake music I think we've talked about on here is fucking crazy. Like there's so much stuff. There's a Kai Sanat singing a Kisha Cole song and it's so good, like he sounds legitimately good, but like then he tried to sing it on stream and he can't sing word shit. You know, he's just the worst singer ever. But like the the AI version, he's fucking crushing it. And you can still tell like if I played at SeaBus, would know be like, oh yeah, that sounds like his voice. It's just so weird. Yeah, reality is getting torn quick man. We're Ready Player ones ten years out, yeah, ten years out and idiocrasy yeah yeah, well that's gonna be the real world is idiocracy, yeah, because we're all going to escape to the Ready Player one world. Yeah, I have you seen Idiocracy? No, that's your homework. Yeah, seriously, we should do that on the show. You see you've seen Wally. Yeah, so Idiocracy to me is like the slapstick comedy live action of yeah, without as many robots. Yeah, they're not in outer space, but but same general idea like that, the the core concept is the same. It's Owen Wilson or what's his brother's name, Luke Luke. It's Luke Wilson. Yeah, it's Luke Wilson, the one without the nose. Yeah, it's crazy. But some of that stuff is getting so real. You know, Burger King or what is it?

34:22 I think it's Carls Junior in the movie like runs the World? Yeah, right in Wally, basically a Walmart style company runs the world. Yeah, it's old, but but it's like so tapped into what the hell's going? The same guy's office space. We've seen office space, office spaces. In my opinion, office space is like a literal classic and idiocricy is like a funny like scary, Yeah, like a scary funny yeah, because it's so true. But office space is gold. Office space is so damn good. That's not Grandma's Boys Too? Is that the same one the video game movie? I don't know, possibly it might be Grandma's Boys. It's the same guy as Beavis and Butt. Oh I know, And oh my god, what's the propane one in Texas? What are they called? What's it called? King of the Hill? I never really watched I don't know why.

35:12 I never really watched it. Yeah, same same creator. Office Spaces insane like good, yeah, it's it's too good. It's too it's it's gonna lose relevancy though, yeah, right, because like how many people work in office like that? Yeah? After the jokes are kind of insiety or like the TG Fridays they go to whatever the that's like those restaurants are dying. It was literally TGI Friday? Is that what it's called? I think? So pretty sure? Stupid? How do they not get sued? I don't know. Maybe it isn't TJF, but it basically feels like it and flair. Yeah, yeah, how many ends you got? How many pens you have to have on your on your uniform. That's not a thing anymore. I don't think, no, but I'm sure it was some more all because everything comes back. Yeah, but the office might not. Yeah, maybe not. I don't know, man, but uh. I was having a conversation around this surem an article yesterday by text with a friend and we were talking about He's like, once people get money, they change, and I was like, I think that money is like adversity. It's like the flip of adversity. Adversity it reveals it doesn't really change. Ye, And I said, I don't think that people don't think people really change, And he's like, well, I've changed. I used to not believe in this kind of thing, and now I do believe in this kind of thing and something changed along the way. And I'm like, well, was that.

36:32 I think it's often an emotional reaction that changes intellectual reaction, like here's here's a safe one. The attitudes around marijuana and legalization of marijuana like that has definitely changed over time quickly. But yeah, but people people had emotional reactions to folks who were using it and they were and it was helping them from a medical standpoint, or you know the people who people who can unlike me and who who it calms their their anxiety, their paranoia, whatever whatever.

37:16 Once you have an experience with that kind of thing, it starts to change how you think about it, and then how you think about it changes how you speak about it, and how you speak about it has an emotional effect on other people, and you know or like yeah, but yeah, it could go those ways because the experience too, right, the more you're like around stuff and like actually witnessed it versus like marijuana itself to at least in America and my childhood had like so much propaganda, like it was insane, Like the commercials when they're smash an egg. Yeah, and they did just say drugs, but that basically the whole footage was them smoking it. Yeah, I always yeah, only marijuana is a gateway drug. Meanwhile, the very next commercials is pushing Budweiser because you're gonna get hot chicks and you're going to be jacked when you drink bud wise there like the media machine of all that plays such a like thick role, and yeah, kind of the emotional attachment, but still yeah, and then growing up right wherever you grew up, if you grew up around it or didn't grow up around it, your opinions were probably more drawn to that exposures like such a you know, even the meathead stereotype whatever, it is, right, but until you go to a real gym and you meet some smart people, yeah, you know, yeah, it is. It is tough. I've been in this business a while and I am still shocked by the people who don't have you know, don't have a medical degree or or or a PhD and something or whatever, who are meatheads who also are just super smart. Yeah, I'm always still blown away by that. I shouldn't be by now, I should have should not have that expectation, but but I do. But the thing is,

38:49 like they're the their personalities are complicated in that they are also meatheads. Yeah, yeah, they're not Dolmar or somebody. Yeah, they're not just intellectuals, but they're they are also truly meeted. They're as meat as any other meat at but they're also intellectual that that blows my mind. Yell, that might be a little bit newer, right, because I'm sure when lifting was really first popular in the sixties or whatever, maybe they were all just dufasis potentially, you know, who knows, because those still exist, right or athletes, same idea, athletes get a get a rapper being absolute idiots. But I've met some that are crazy intelligent. But I've also met some that are just complete morons. Yeah, and only literally only good at whatever they do. Yeah, speaking of this is an aside. Speaking of marijuana, I'm highly recommending The Gentleman on Netflix. It's a Guy Ritchie created series about members of the British aristocracy being how to put basically, they're hosting marijuana grows underground on their estates. Is all sitcommy, uh, it's it's funny.

40:02 It's definitely funny. I don't know, it's not real. No, it's not real as far as I know. But like, like you still can't like legally by pod in Europe, in in in in England. Yeah, because obviously, which is weird, right, because a lot of Europe moves together in a lot of places, you know, Like, I'm sure it's been legal and obviously the Netherlands and ship but I think Germany, I think a lot of places it's been legal, yeah, like highly recreationally. Yeah, bars and ship, right, which is weird. That's something that and then talk about like yeah, I don't know if it's propaganda or just stereotype, like that's still not a thing in America. The first I think lounge open in Vegas like this year. Yeah, it's not it's not that big of right, but it's been legal in like Colorado and Washington and Oregon for over a decade. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know exactly why, except that there's still a federal prohibition against right that could get exercise at some point and you could, you know, lose the whole business or whatever.

40:58 But also they could just switch to the alcohol and not have to worry about it. But but then you look at alcohol too, right, and we look at deaths and danger. Yeah, we got bars on every corner. Yeah, it's just wild, tremendously more dangerous. It's just like grandfathered into the to the culture. Because I'm sure there's some and maybe this is conspiracy mic talking, but I'm sure there's coming a back end deal going on with a lot of there has to be someone's making money somewhere. What what were they talking about with Huberman and alcohol that he was like the first to demonize it. They had a big part on that too. He was, Yeah, demonized as alcohol for sure, drinking to excess, I guess not not so much not drinking at all, but drinking to excess. Yeah, which is a wild thing that you know, like went viral six months ago about like not even one drinks healthy for you, Like yeah, yeah, yeah, they're not going to kill you. But like yeah, like why what what? Because they did? And that's probably propaganda too, right, Like the big wine or whatever is making it show that red wine cures cancer.

41:53 You know, there was ship like that forever my whole life. Yeah, the the what they call the French paradox. Yeah, people who drank red wine every day had better health outryms. But that study was way flawed. Yeah, it just makes no sense, Like there's no way putting wine in my body once a day for my entire life is going to make an effect versus not having it. Yeah, I mean negative or positive kind of the theory was like with wine or beer or whatever in moderation. It has a thinning effect on your blood, so you're having you're less likely to have have heart attacks. And they're about like restrol and all this shit yeah, which probably is verytral doesn't do much of anything at all except to give you diarrhea. Yeah, And then the stats could probably be swayed because you could find countries that drink more wine than beer if you're big wine. And those are also probably countries that tend to walk more, have more public transit.

42:51 Right, and then you look at America consumes more beer than wine and everyone's fat and dying. But either there's too many factors to write and the kind of the big alcohol is collapsing, like there are fewer people drinking right now. Yeah, and so that's like brings up you know, not the rap rap, but you bring that up. And like humanman obviously fucking destroyed whatever five or six women's lives and fucked with them pretty bad. Maybe not obviously, but allegedly. I'm not going to court. And uh, but then like did he get a bunch of people to stop drinking? And like I'm not a cold plunger or red light guy, but we've talked about it.

43:32 Over the last fifteen years of our podcasting with like supplements and other things. I am for if something keeps you in routine and locked in that, it's probably that positive, right. I don't I'm not a pre workout guy. I don't really care. I don't think it does shit. Even creatine I think is probably overrated. I know there's tons of studies and it's safe and all that, and there's some benefits, but like people talk about it like it's steroids, like it's not going to help you, like crazy. But if taking five grams of cree every morning allowed allows you to be in a routine, to move your body more, eat more broccoli, sleep better than yeah, man, be a creatine addict, right, So there's a net positive there. I wonder if how we measure that or what the public view is, or even if they consider it. I guess is my bigger option with Huberman? You know, oh, I mean non balance. Has he done more good than harm? Yeah? Maybe? Because again, like we started this whole thing with p Diddy and like that is allegedly I'm not going to court there either, they say. Folks say, you know, that's like devilish activity, Like that's bad that's bad human where you know so far what I've read on Humorman like probably not a guy I want to hang out with, but like is he the devil? I don't know, you know, And I talk about all this stuff too, and in jest about in semi series people talk about r Kelly and Michael Jackson and they throw them the same categories. And I've watched all the documentaries I could on both. Yeah, the Corey Feldman thing, have you seen that? It was? It popped up again recently. I know that name who's Corey Feldman. Corey Fildm was an actor who was very close to he shouldn't stand by me, he

45:08 uh to Michael Jackson, very close to Michael Jackson. And he was one saying that like Hollywood is full of pedophiles, Yeah, who pray on child actors and aspiring child actors. And they're like in the interview, like what about Michael Jackson's Like, Michael Jackson never touched me. He didn't do any of that stuff as far as I know, but I know who did. And you know he claims that no one's wanted to listen to him. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's like where the whole thing goes And I'm obviously a huge of Michael Jackson fan, so I do it in jest and its semi series though, But like you interview like even the parents of the kids and stuff, and they were on the campus when the kids visited. Not to say that he's innocent, I don't know. I don't know, shit, I was not there. But then like you talk to the parents of r Kelly's victims and they haven't talked to their kid in ten years.

45:54 Their kid won't answer their call or answer their text, right, Like, it's just a very different vibe going on. Right, this PDD seems to be more along the line of that or Epstein or whatever the fuck's going on, which I don't care how much gorgeous music you put out, Like it's still net negative now, right, Like all that goes away, like you could have been the best artist and PDD, he's not even in that conversation, but hypothetically the most miraculous musical genius of time. But now it just goes away like you fucked up, bro, Like you're a piece of shit, you know, But humor, man, you know, not again, I don't think cheating's good. But like is he the devil? I don't know. Is he just a you know? The other thing too, is he's just human? Right, And so like Leonardo DiCaprio has been famous since he's fourteen. He's in a lot of these things too now with Nickelodeon and other things coming about. But hypothetically, you know, like he was like taught to be famous, yeah, because he was raised that way. So whether he's pr trained or he's just a good dude, no shots at Leonardo, you know, he's not gonna go about those stuff gostling same thing, yeah, right, all these guys child, all the Paul Brothers. Yeah, you know, a lot about adult starts a little weird. Yeah, but he's not adult. He's an adult y star as an adult, and so they've basically been taught, or the lack of a serious but probably true groom to be famous. Yeah. Well like human popped out of famous at whatever he is forty eight in twenty twenty one. Yeah, you know, like he is just human. Everyone's got flaws. Hopefully they're not cheating and playing six women's lives, but no one's perfect. Yeah, And you know

47:30 the thing about that is just the is a lack of transparency about it for sure for his partners, you know, just if you if you're going to if that's who you're gonna be, Like, I have a friend who is who you know is that's his thing. But he's like very upfront about it, you know, like this is what's going on with me. If that's not something that you like or whatever, that's that's fine, much better way to go about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't know, And it is just a yeah, hight correlation with his maybe not lying but because he may believe his own shit, but stretching his educational truths. Yeah, exactly. I want to actually sort of close this out if you're comfortable with it. Uh A. This is an article from that from very well mined, which is aside I don't know anything about.

48:22 But it's a list from the Cult Education Institute of the Specific Warning Science to look out whether a group might be a cult. And I think that that is a lot of what goes on behind the just that blind belief in a particular figure to hubanman or the or constantly defending whatever whatever. Okay, so that it still just surprises me, how like fast both sides on Twitter are to either like condemn him or protect him. I'm just like one you guys know and knows them here, like Lex Friedman talked about it. That's fine, Like he's your buddy, you know, like at least your semi attached to the situation, you can make a statement. Yeah, but there are millions of people that have nothing to do with Yes, and you're and you're so attached to your belief of this human that you don't know that you've listened to for hours in a calculated audio. Yeah, and now you're gonna fucking go to war for this dude. Yeah, either side, it's it's just weird to me. I think again, Like that's like the bigger picture issue of all this, Like it exposes Yeah, the cult or anti cult.

49:35 I don't care what side you're on. I think you're wrong. Yeah, And I think and we've we've talked about this before too with human that that like once you get into that groove, you're stuck searching for other kinds of guests. That so you can continue to make content on a schedule. And yeah, for sure, and so you get into stuff that you shouldn't get into because you've given yourself essentially no, no out, no other way to do, which is like, okay, if you're saying like I'm a content creator, I'm an entertainer. Yeah, right, but then the white coat bias plays in correct. If he was not a doctor of anything, he would just be with Joe Rogan, yeah, which is like fine, right, but then yeah, we got to take it for entertainment. Yeah, So here are the ten things. Absolute authoritarianism without accountability. I mean you would say that just what we what we saw in his relationships, that's probably Yeah, that's probably a true thing. Zero tolerance for criticism or questions is number two. Lack of meaningful full financial disclosure regarding budget. That's really more of an organized cult kind of situation of the church. Yeah. Unreasonable fears about the outside world that often involve evil conspiracies and persecutions. Plenty of that out there, not necessarily I'm not saying specifically about Huberman, however, the you know, for a scientists, there are a lot people people who follow him. Some of them have some very i would say anti science kind of

51:07 beliefs, you know, yeah, for being a science podcast. Yeah, he's had a lot of guests on that aren't even close to him. That's yeah, yeah, a belief that former followers are always wrong for leaving and there is never a legitimate reason for anyone else to leave. That's obviously a very organized kind of situation. Yeah, but I don't know because I think it stretches to even like my example of people blasted me for watching a Jordan because it's just so anti like that guy who hated on me could have been a Jordan Peterson fan eight years ago potentially right then ripped out and then now I'm the devil because I listened to a podcast. Yeah, I mean I used to be very, very big Joe Rogan fan, and I'm not anymore because I think he's straight into territory that he should have left. He stretches, he stretches, and so I just I don't consume any of his content anymore after I listened to it for hundreds of hours, Yeah, hundreds and hundreds of hours. And they talk about in customer satisfaction, you know that somebody who really is pissed off at you because something happened with their order or their service or whatever, and if you can appease them, they'll flip and they'll become as ardent a fan or customer as they were a hater, right or double down? Yeah, And and I think that that's just true everywhere.

52:23 I don't think that's the thing. It's limited to that circumstance. My voice abusive members who knows records, books, articles, or programs documenting the abuses of the leader or group. Now that's very much a group thing. But now scientology, every single documentary about a cult has so much footage, like they shot everything, Like what the hell, especially modern nation, that's happening now that's not even reported. Imagine like the next documentary on the next Cole Yeah, twenty twenty five is gonna be everything, Yeah, it's gonna be a four K Yeah, exactly, everything. Followers feeling that they are never able to be good enough for sure, you need to keep the sheep sheep, yeah, exactly. A belief that the leader is right at all times. This is the This is really it. This is like the I think that's again, like the core issue that I'm trying to argue with all this stuff is like the internet cultures that the Internet is breeding that. Yeah, and as a society, we do that everywhere, whether it's yeah, it's black and white, right, and it's this guy or that guy, and this guy's one hundred percent right and that guy's one hundred percent wrong.

53:38 Yeah, like that world doesn't work that way, no, you know, like all of them are probably closer to a sixty forty fifty to fifty no matter what, just depending on the topic and the day. I'm sure I've said, shit, that's fucked. Like you start doing long form content or you're on the internet a lot, Yeah, you're gonna misspeak and you're not gonna be perfect. And yeah, it's just wild that that. Yeah, I don't know, man, it's bad. And the last one a belief that the leader is the exclusive means of knowing the truth or giving validation. Yeah, again very content onliney Yeah, absolutely yeah, bad things bad bad uh bad path. It seems we're headed. But who knows? Who knows?

54:19 So many sheeople, that's the thing that that really is just like and and because we're consuming a lot of that kind of thing on the internet, you don't even know how many of those are real people for sure, spots or or real beliefs, people who are just taking a position like I don't know how how well I'm sure that it's happened to you at a ton it's certainly happened to me. Where someone takes just a really arch position and if you confront them about it, they've so often fold it, depending on how you do it, but they so often fold and say, oh, you know, especially if somebody says something really like negative critical, you go and they'll go, oh, well, I didn't mean anything by that. Well, then why the fuck did you say it? Yeah, Destinely brought it up in this debate. He basically was talking about his own political beliefs, how they don't lie necessarily exactly in one party, and it is kind of true, and that's kind of why I like him, Like the left doesn't really accept them and the right definitely doesn't accept them. But he said what he thinks is most people and he's not even talking about political party. He's talking about most people find a community whatever that is a group of friends, even and you just tend to base your beliefs fully on what that group is starting to do, right, like trends, which is just a bigger group and a louder group now that we have the internet back in the day, maybe that's cool, right, because we're both farmers and so we both have farm like beliefs that have to do with our occupation that takes up most of our life, which ends up being a little bit more authentic and true to who we are. But now with the internet, chances you find like someone

55:49 who has lived experiences like he was probably kind of low because we're all just so unique. But now you're just grouping all your beliefs with whatever, this fucking half assed group ass right, you know, and same idea, Yeah, you push against that. They probably don't have an argument because they're just following this group. Yeah, and because you can't figure out how to believe in your own thing without validating from His biggest argument is that people don't base any political views or decisions in life on like a moral code, that they base it on a trend on round. Yeah, then that's why it's just not yeah stick, And he's so right with that. And then at the yeah, it goes with all this shit. Yeah, you get your own perspective on things based on your own moral code, and then what fits into that code stays and what doesn't you leave. That's probably how we should move.

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