Do celebrities inspire cult behavior (Huberman, Diddy, etc.)?

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Welcome. Ostensibly, this is the
four hundredth episode of this show. However,

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we're not celebrating yet because we have
done about eleven you know, rewinds,

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encores what they call it, Yeah, reruns, reruns, whatever you

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want to call it. You do, like reruns not a term no more.

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Yeah, I know, because it
don't really exist anymore. Right,

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But then, like, but people
go back and watch Game of Thrones.

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Yeah, you're watching a rerun.
Yeah it's a rerun, but it's but

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but you're doing the running, right, Yeah, they're always there. They

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are always always there at the streaming
age is a different time for all of

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us. But yeah, so I
don't know. We'll try to cook up

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something special, some actually special.
Today it's just us, just us,

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it's the boys. It's adult talk. Kids aren't allowed, kids, no

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kids allowed. Yeah he did.
He's an Antigua. He did. He's

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in Antigua. That is just like, I don't know what's going on.

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Man, My Twitter's crazy right now. I just can't even keep up because

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then the like half of it is
just allegations, not diddyt Obviously, if

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you're getting rated by Homeland Security,
probably something's going on. I don't know,

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I don't really know how the back
end on Homeland Security works. And

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I don't even know his Homeland Security, the one's supposed to be doing that.

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I don't know how any of that
works either. Is that who's raiding

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him? Supposedly? I think it
was Homeland Security get hit his Miami in

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his LA house. But then even
that, like I don't know who the

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fuck's reporting it. Yeah, you
know, what does any of that mean

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to me? I literally just maybe
I'm going insane, but I just trust

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nothing and no one. Because my
twitter's crazy. Everyone's saying like, well,

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where's jay Z? And everyone's trying
to say he's the next one to

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be all this shit, all that
what they're saying, not Mike saying.

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Mike's not saying shit, Mike's just
reading Yeah, streams Knight. They're going

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crazy the streets snipe, Yeah,
they're going crazy a jay Z. They're

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going crazy at p Diddy. They're
they're whipping out interviews that happened, you

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know, from because P Diddy's been
the guy since like nineteen ninety one.

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Yeah, he's found out Yeah,
like every artist ever. So there's interviews

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of like Usher from twenty sixteen coming
out with some weird statements. Nothing like,

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you know, super revealing, but
shit that makes you raise your eyebrow

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now in hindsight kind of stuff.
Justin Bieber came up in that crew,

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I mean everyone came up with that
crew. His his own wife. I

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think he's only been married once,
but his wife was one of his artists,

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Cassie. I don't even think that's
her name, that's her artist name.

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Yeah, there's weird shit. There's
weird shit going on in the world.

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Another fucking royalties tagged into this to
that one. Yeah, who Prince

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Harry whoa Oh, his name's mentioned
like multiple times in the allegation. Not

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that he did anything, he's not
alleged yet, but his name's tied in

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because he used to kick it with
P Diddy all the time. Yeah,

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it's weird. It's getting a little
interesting. Yeah, it's weird. I

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I'm looking for and I can't find
it now. Of course, the phrase

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in in in Australian slang where somebody
sticks their head up too far you chop

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it off. I don't know it's
a it's it's a flower reference and I

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can't think of what it is at
the moment. I'm dying because I can't

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think of it, but I want
to. I kind of wonder about that,

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Like, I mean, these sounds
like very serious allegations and four real

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ones I think out right now.
And and as you, you know,

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pointed out, he's been around and
been like had his head above the crowd

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for a long time, so you
know, not maybe that. But then

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you and I were discussing this article
that was in New York magazine about Huberman,

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and when I encountered it was on
Twitter x whatever, and they are

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all these people like rushing to say, oh, you know, this guy's

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just trying to do good stuff,
and you know, just because he fucked

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around with a bunch of women,
yeah on his girlfriend or whatever people said

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that he did. And then all
these people coming forward to try to drop

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him down because he's like suddenly a
big figure. He was nobody, you

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know, five six years ago.
Yeah, I didn't know his rise was

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that fast. It is fast,
because I know, just like in our

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space, so many people like posted
about his we know podcasts four people who've

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been on the show. Yeah that
too, But even before that, people

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were posting about his podcast that I
knew. I guess it's four years ago,

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but it feels like forever ago because
they said, like twenty twenty you

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start his podcast, yeah, or
twenty twenty one, Yeah, twenty twenty

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one. I think I'll see you
go on Lex Friedman podcast and you go

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on Joe Rogan's podcast. You kind
of just get a trampoline into relevancy.

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I guess, yeah, you know, those are those are easy bounds to

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start a career. But I mean
it really comes down to the fact that

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the guy talks very sciencey, and
he communicates a lot of like warmth and

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concern and is very not a sort
of wellness oriented I guess, yeah,

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you know, and he is relatable
to that extent one. Yeah, the

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language he uses in the article we
read or you shared with me. They

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talked a lot about that and like
analyzed why he is who he is or

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why he's popular. Yeah, and
some of it I tied into Neodograss Tyson.

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Yeah, just in terms of like
language and why he's popular. Neil

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like looks more like a nerd,
you know, but he uses like nerdy

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languages and they talk about talking you
up, and I feel like Neil does

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that kind of yeah, and Huberman
obviously does that where which has always been

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like the opposite of my approach to
everything, because I do feel and I

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think this is like a universal agreement
or universal thing. People believe that like

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if you're a true expert, you
can talk dumb about it, right,

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you simplify complex things. And that's
what this article kind of said that he

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not that he doesn't do that,
but that he purposely uses big language or

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like technical language to keep you in
the loop, which kind of seems like

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backwards to me in a sense.
Lane Norton's a really good example where I

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think he does like probably the best
balance of both. He's not using total

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layman's terms, but he's not using
all technical terms. He kind of balances

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it. Our buddy Jordan Sayat's really
good at taking the complex and making it

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crazy simple, you know, making
a step one through three on everything,

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And to me, that's like the
goal of mass communication, right, like

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why are we Yeah, I don't
know, I understood how the guy explained

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it in an article why Hubmman is
like that? But I guess there's not

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that many examples I could think of
that do that, yeah and succeed because

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it doesn't really make sense. No, it doesn't and then but of course

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what happens then is that people it's
like he's he's borrowing vocabulary from science and

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outside of his field, because his
field is very very narrow. Yeah,

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narrower than not even I thought,
Yeah, super narrow, just like just

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visual. Yeah, mice, mice
my size. He's a mice size,

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procause I knew he's a neurologist,
which is which could be a very broad

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category, right, and it could
tie more into wellness than just your eyes.

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Yeah, and not that he doesn't
know like obviously he's been you know,

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he's a scientist. I'm sure he
knows other neurological factors much better than

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I. But then the other thing
is his relatability and how he looks.

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Right, he's tatted, he curses
a little bit, he looks cool.

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He's like the cool dad. Yeah, I know, he's like a cool

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your friend's cool dad, rather than
like some dorky guy that you'd expect from

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Stanford kind of. The only thing
he's missing is the the that usually makes

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all this stuff work very well,
is the military connection. Yeah, and

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he is in those circles, but
yeah, he just doesn't have it himself.

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I don't believe. Yeah, but
he's tatted, he's kind of jacked.

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Yeah, he's a handsome looking cat. You know, he's like normal

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looking for like a Stanford again,
whatever you would think a neurologist would look

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like. I don't think it would
look like him. And then yeah,

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he's bros with all the cool guys, so of course it's gonna do well.

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I do wonder how all the bros
like choose that like him to be

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a homie. That's a really good
question. I don't have an answer that

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it's probably it's probably just what you
said. It's probably the muscles, because

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they said Lex Friedman kind of launched
him first. I think, Yeah,

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it's weird. There are two Lex
Friedman's and I was not aware of this

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until recently. I was actually I
have been a fan of the other Lex

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Friedman. Oh, I only know
the the is it Columbia or Yale or

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whatever? Yeah. Let the other
Lex Friedman is someone who came up through

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the podcast world and was involved at
the beginnings of of Stitcher and one of

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the ones before that. And it's
like, you know, he was before

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Stitcher got bought. He was like
the head of advertising sales, like a

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director or VP or whatever. Advertising. It's very different used to be on

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a podcast himself. I think he
maybe still is, but it's different.

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Yeah, whereas this other Lex is
like the first dude to do the metaverse

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interview with Zuckerberg. Yeah, he
recently had a It's funny how the world's

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collide so fast. I've been on
like Twitch since like twenty fourteen, watching

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and streaming sin Is like twenty fifteen
sixteen, there's a StarCraft player that's just

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like getting a bunch of love right
now, Destiny, and he switched to

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like political commentary, but he was
on Lex Friedman and debated Ben Shapiro,

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and then even yesterday I was just
watching half of it because it's fucking like

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three hours. He was just with
Jordan Peterson debating him, and it's just

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crazy the world like same thing,
like Derek Moore plays more dates was on

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Jordan Peterson. I think it's like
a Indian connection or some shit, but

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either way, like people are just
so crazy in the world right now.

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I posted that and just saying like, Wow, that's that's a crazy like

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collab to see. That's literally all
I did. I got like two dms,

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like I see who you are now
Mike later, I'm like, bro,

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if you can't listen to another human
speak that has a different opinion than

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you, we're fucked. Yeah.
I didn't say like, wow, Jordan

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Peterson crushed that debate, or wow, I believe every word and belief that

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Jordan Peterson has. I didn't say
shit, I said wow. This is

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a crazy collab. And the whole
first hour of the podcast is talking about

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Derek. More places, more dates
come up in YouTube, Like what's so

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controversial about this guy's origin story?
Yeah, Like, you guys are fucking

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crazy out there, and then you
wonder why the world's fucked, why everyone's

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violent, why not everyone's got no
friends? Because you can't even listen to

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another man speak through a screen without
freaking the fuck out. Yeah. I

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am very negative on Jordan Peterson for
a lot of reasons. I mean,

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that's fine, but if you can't
listen to another humans, but that is

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a red flag and a half.
But if people are not I mean,

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if it's not about the things that
I that I think that he is propagating

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that are not in the best interest
of most people, then then okay,

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that's fine. I'd even argue that, like then you can't speak, you

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can't listen to him. No,
I don't actually don't listen to people that

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I find negative. I don't.
Yeah that, Yeah, I don't know.

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I think that just is screaming echo
chamber issues. I don't think so,

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because it's not that I'm n I
don't disconnect from from from learning about

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the issues. I just don't want
to deal with people who have such a

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one sided view of a particular thing. I think that's everyone. That's the

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issue, that's the echo chamber.
I don't know. I mean that's what

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they talk about people being extreme on
either side. I think know the same

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idea you even brought up with human
like as soon as something comes up about

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him, everyone's like just screaming to
defend him or screaming to kill him.

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Yeah, well why is that because
whereas on these extreme opinions, rather than

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just listening to everything, like he
might have cheated on his girlfriend, I

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don't. I think that might have
is is a is A. It's inconsequential

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to the rest of his whatever.
That's the point. But it's pretty clear

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that he pretty clear did, there's
plenty of evidence of that. But he's

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still just a human. I don't
know if there's evidence per se. I

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mean there's people's words, text messages. Yeah, I didn't see any or

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hear any of that. Yeah,
definitely is in there. But either way,

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to me, it's regardless. My
point is just that, like,

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if you're so reactionary to everything in
this external world unless it feels whatever I

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believe, I think that's an issue, and that's where we're so divided.

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Well, Like I said, I
am fully open to finding out the facts

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about things that are not propagated by
somebody who has only one opinion about it.

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I think that's ninety nine point nine
percent impossible. I think it's pretty

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impossible when there's when there's actually research
about stuff, you know, when there's

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if you're reading papers, like if
you're in scientific papers, yeah, and

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you or or you know, or
interpretations of such things like but any interpretation

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then wouldn't be fact. M Yeah, totally can be fact by definition.

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You can you can restate a fact
without distorting it, right, right,

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right? But you said interpretation by
definition, interpretation, well, it takes

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away fact, I think in terms
through someone else's lens I read. No,

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I disagree most of the time relative
to that, for sure, well,

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then what's the definition of interpretation.
Well, interpretation is exactly what you

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were saying before, putting it in
language that people can can more broadly understand.

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Oh, in my opinion, interpretation
would be taking something and then putting

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it through a lens. Now that's
that's opinion. That's I don't know.

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I think bytorial as opposed to a
description of Well, yeah, description is

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different than let me let me just
well, no, it's still an interpretation

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because you're taking it from one set
of language to another set of language.

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From that would just be a sciranscript
then right, No, no, no,

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transcript is exactly the same. I
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that's that's the other other way to
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breakdown is different than interpretation too.
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disagree on this one because I think
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interpretation at a breakdown, it's this
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of view, from this person point
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someone's lens. Yeah, point of
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sure, but that's that's if you
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could they could still be wrong.
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never read anything that I disagree with. No, I know, but we

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gotta, yeah, breakdown the definitions
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someone's point of view, then it's
by definition not fact, because everything's going

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to be interpretation if it's by someone's
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info and then they're giving you what
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a point of view is. That's
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don't agree with you that in totality, I believe that that can happen,

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but I don't think that that's what
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don't know exactly what you're talking about. I'm just talking about definition of point

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of view is that it's not I
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only believe one particular way to understand
what two sides of an issue are.

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That's what I'm trying to say.
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fine. That's different than the definitions
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everything is through someone's lens, especially

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nowadays kind of how I was even
joking about Twitter. I don't know what

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to believe about DIDDI I don't know
what to believe about because there's so much

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attention and money given to content,
and nowadays that everyone has an agenda.

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So the chance is that I'm getting
pure fact besides a research paper. But

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even then, but most the world
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science works through science. But like
something like Diddy or whether Huberman did something

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or not, whether all that is
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I guess, And everyone can go
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or their own beliefs however they'd like, for sure. But my general point

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is that if you just group everyone
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people's point of view, I think
that's insane and I think that's the root

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of some of our issues. So
for people to demonize me because I listened

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to another man speak, I think
it's fucking wild. I think if you

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break that down, that's the wildest
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mean, I mean here's the thing. I mean that's literally like fascism,

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Like, that's fucking crazy. How
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somebody who is a we'll get into
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figure yeah, then if you're hook
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stuff over and over again, people
people saying I'm done with you would make

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sense because sure, yeah, and
if you find if if you don't want

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to absorb my content, correct because
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just like demonize a whole group of
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I think the root of our entire
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people are too sensitive to Yeah,
that's why thing. I completely agree with

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you, that's like a five year
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it, it's not there. Yeah, like what Yeah, that's crazy and

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it's not like but people do that
with politics all the time. They that's

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what I'm saying. They don't want
to have anything. So there are some

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people who's like, I don't want
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it when and I do. Ignorance
is bliss. So like, if you

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want to avoid at all, that's
fine, But I think just avoiding one

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person's voice and probably like I'd never
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I'm saying he's great or you have
to believe in it. But like that

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dude's a like reading headline and then
judging me beyond the base on the headlines

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that he you know what I mean, because he's from the other side of

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the political which is which is wild. And yeah, again the interview was

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with more plates, more dates.
Who's a fucking steroid guy, right,

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you know? But even this new
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it up is because it is fucking
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politics. They're not attacking each other, they're just fucking chatting and it gets

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a little fired up, you know, because they're both like type A type

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folks. But like, I think, it's just so good to actually have

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that. And Jordan says in the
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but in his intro he basically says
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to to have like a discussion and
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talk to them because they're fucking crazy, or two that they just won't have

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like a normal discussion because it always
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I've been a fan of Destiny for a

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while at least his content. I
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he's pretty level headed and the conversation
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for what you expect on a political
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back to Huberman for a second.
The thing, A couple of things that

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bug me, without you know,
even getting into the personal life stuff,

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is that when he launched the podcast, he's like, well, this is

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not an extension of my work and
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informational thing where people are making themselves
better and whatever whatever. But he called

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it human Lab and he's got a
lab, and then he was he lives

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in la and the lab is at
Stanford. They're pretty far apart for those

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of you who live like outside of
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back and forth by plane, there's
essentially no way that he's running their day

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to day operations of it. Like
now he's making that money for sure.

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Andy Gaalpin has a lab. Yeah, but he's Jimmy Bagley has a lab.

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Yeah. They're active professors. They're
at universities they're active professors, Like

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I don't think that's what's going on
with Huberman, And there are like very

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varying reports about what actually is contained
in this lab and whether anyone's currently working

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at it. Stanfords is one thing, But if I were Stanford, like

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until the guy like kills somebody or
falls off a cliff or whatever, they're

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going to defend him. So yeah, even though I was reading on Twitter,

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that's some sponsors they think already pulled
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is also hairy to me. It. I first just want to say that

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we rotated from p Diddy to Huberman
and me personally, I'm not throwing them

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in the same fucking basket for starts
to know those listening more about figures,

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yeah, yeah, yeah, and
just the internet going crazy. Yeah,

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but yeah they said, like whooping, some of these people already are off

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his website. Shit, yeah,
which is a day, Yeah, which

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is the day? And that's crazy. Like I I one of the last

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times that we talked about him,
I was talking about the fact that he

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does it as for Athletic Greens,
like it's something Yeah they ripped is they

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ripped Athletic Greens apart in that article. Yeah he did, and it was

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it was it was Lane Norton Lan
Norton who on his show said like,

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there's no there's on Huberman's show,
there's no like reason to believe that there's

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no science behind Yeah, seventy five
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Clearly there's like white code biased and
there has been for a dec or a

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century, right, Like that's been
a thing. And so obviously they're talking

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about Huberman in that stance, But
they compare him to Show Rogan, which

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I think is interesting too, where
they're like, oh, like you know,

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I'm summarizing here, but they're like, we don't fault Joe Rogan for

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pushing athletic greens. He's just Joe
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pushing athletic greens. And I'm like, to me, it's the same,

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it's the same, right, Like, like wrote Rogan has put himself into

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a hell one position of authority.
Yeah too, obviously like one of the

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most heard voices on the planet.
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fitness like he's an expert. So
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in the same just because Huberman's name
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there is a white Cobias and I'm
not a big fan of that in

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general, but yeah, it's just
weird. Like in the article, they

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they purposely like mention that, Yeah, and I think that's so odd,

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I like, And then I mean
the whole thing is just so complex and

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odd to me too, right,
Like, yeah, just because the guy's

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a cheater and probably pretty scummy with
how he abuses people and friendships and everything,

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like sounds like he's not fucking awesome. That also doesn't necessarily mean that

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he doesn't know about mice eyes or
whatever fuck he studies, you know,

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but like the article kind of talks
like that, and he did obviously stretch

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well beyond his his area of expertise. But he's had good guests on like

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we said, like I think Andy
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been on there, and again that's
from our world and our side, like

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we believe those are good guests.
And other people may think Andy Galpin's a

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you know, if you're in the
if you think ruby stones are gonna make

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you jacked or something, then you
obviously think Andy Gallpin's a witchcrafty, you

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know, and it's it is all
whatever, but they're real scientists. At

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least from our experiences over a decade
with both of them, it seems like

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they're actually trying to do good.
Yeah. And that's the other big,

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you know, pedestal that they put
Heubreman on. They're like, yeah,

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he comes from just trying to make
everybody good. Like man that I don't

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know, he has good, good, good guests on. But like part

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of the having a good guess on
is they is the halo effect that you

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get from having those people around him, because everyone stamping each other, right,

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they're endorsing him, which you know, like I would say with Lane,

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isn't so much true. It's tough. That's a tough thing in general with

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content, you know, because like
it even goes back to my argument of

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you want to listen to other people, and I think you need to hear

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other sides and you need to hear
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But then like I'm guilty of it
from my own content creation that I

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wouldn't platform someone that I don't believe
in and so like, I don't think

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we should shut them off the Internet
or block them. I think you should

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listen to multiple points of view.
But then, like me, platforming,

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it does feel weird in certain instances, you know, and that's mostly just

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because of yeah, I guess my
ego, but that is also Internet culture.

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You are almost stamping someone or bringing
them into your crew if you're featuring

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them on something, you know,
and that's just where we're at as an

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Internet culture. But I don't know
if that's right either, you know,

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unless you set it up like a
debate, and then the world knows that

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you're debating that you're probably opposite opinion
of this person, like this Jordan Peterson

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destiny thing. They set it up
that way, their face off, you

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know, and so you could just
tell like, all right, these guys,

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but even that they could be best
friends, right, But then because

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of the Internet culture, you're like, oh, their debate, they're not

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best friends, right, Jordan Peterson's
only best friends with Hubertman or whoever the

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fuck? Oh whoever? Yeah.
The The thing this always says to me

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about the popularity of folks like this
is that a lot of guys don't know

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how to be guys unless somebody tells
them how to be guys, and that

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that bothers me at such a basic
level. I don't know if that's like

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a fatherhood failure or you know exactly
what it is. I mean, that's

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the most common thing ever, right, that's where like Andrew Tate rose to

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stardom, Like all these guys are
rising to stardom. Sneak oh even started

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down that path. Like a lot
of content creators take that and make a

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lot of money and run with it. Yeah, because they can, because

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they can. Yeah, And it
probably is a lack of father figures in

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the world. And probably since I
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i'd imagine the eighties seventies, you
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households are probably fucking ten folded since
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and so that might that might be
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And it's kind of everything. And
that is like the cold mind,

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right, like you find a and
the stats show it. You know,

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it's like money, getting girls,
and like getting jacked, Like those are

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the three things that you can harp
on anyone. Yeah, and so if

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you find that crew, I mean, the fucking teenage mutant Ninja Turtles movie

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showed us, Like you find some
kids that are distraught and you build a

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cult with them. Yeah, right, Like you find someone who's a little

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lost, who has just figuring out
their way, which is everyone, by

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the way, Like everyone goes through
at least a chapter of that. Yeah,

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and then you find them in a
vulnerable spot and you bring them in,

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promising all this stuff. You know, the Cold Plunge promises you no

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anxiety, better muscles, You're gonna
be a millionaire, you know, you

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throw all these things in their red
light promises you twenty different things. It

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is funny we just bring it up
so much. But Holms, like step

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one through five of how to Spot
a Gimmick is just everywhere. It's in

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every the Huberman's ever said. And
that's that was our main critique on him,

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and it probably still is at least
my main critique. Like cheating is

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bad, I don't you know,
I'm all against infidelity and stuff, but

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he is a human. But him
stretching outside of his expertise to sell stuff,

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because it's not stepping outside of your
expertise to like push the boundaries of

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what you think is good. You
know, Like, I was just talking

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to one of our members, Jerry, out there, and I'm giving them

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a bunch of things I think are
good because he's trying to train his brother,

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etc. Jerry. We had him
on the podcast. Yeah, y'all

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know Jerry now. And I'm talking
to jerrycause his little brother, and I'm

404
00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:41.359
telling him just fitness things I think
are good. But I'm not monetizing off

405
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:45.839
of any of those. I'm literally
just giving my advice and those may be

406
00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:49.200
wrong, although i think I'm an
okay expert at lifting and I'm just kidding.

407
00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:52.480
But the point is humanan's giving all
these things and then making money off

408
00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:56.279
all these things. Right, He's
talking about all these vitamins, he's selling

409
00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:59.759
you ag one, talking about taking
ice bats, He's selling you a cold

410
00:27:59.799 --> 00:28:02.000
tub. He's talk about a red
light thing. He has a red light

411
00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:07.200
company. Like everything's so calculated that
like, and then within that that layer,

412
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:11.240
everything he's telling you fixes everything.
Yeah, it's not like cold plint

413
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:17.240
is really good when you have this
bullseye of an issue, because then I'll

414
00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:18.920
be like, oh, that might
make sense, you know, like,

415
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:23.119
but it fixes everything. It fixes
everything, and so you're just like Man,

416
00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:26.079
but again white coat biased. He's
friends with the biggest creators. I

417
00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:30.000
mean, I don't know by numbers. I'm pretty fucking sure Rogan's number one

418
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:36.359
podcast is Rogan, but I imagine
Huberman, Friedman, and Rogan combined,

419
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:40.640
probably I'll do any other three on
the planet. Yeah, right, Like

420
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:44.920
Lex Friedman's podcast goes nuts and I
actually enjoy it. I think Lex talks

421
00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:47.880
a little bit like Spock, but
he always has interesting guests and interesting takes.

422
00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:52.200
I've never really liked Human's voice,
so I just never listened to a

423
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:56.240
ton of them, to be honest. Yeah, I don't know. I

424
00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:59.599
don't know, man. I think
that a lot of it too comes down

425
00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:02.680
to being to listen stuff with a
critical filter. You know, it's like,

426
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:04.519
wait a minute, like I'm not
gonna hook line and sinker this because

427
00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:08.359
it doesn't make actual sense to me, or that's not a thing in the

428
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.039
real world, or you know.
Yeah, it's just hard though, right

429
00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:15.680
because everyone who listens to human is
probably not a wellness expert. Yeah,

430
00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:19.200
you know, and obviously if we
had more wellness experts, our whole nation

431
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:22.960
wouldn't be sick and fat, right, Like, obviously people have no clue

432
00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:26.680
what fucking works. Yeah, this
is true, you know, so it's

433
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:30.240
hard to filter somebody you have no
clue, like me listening to like a

434
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.519
mechanic episode or something, you know, like, yeah, I know how

435
00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:37.599
to fucking use a drill, but
I don't know shit about what's going on

436
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:38.400
under the hood, you know,
and this guy's telling me the stuff.

437
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:41.960
I'll just probably tend to believe it
because they are you know. Yeah.

438
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:45.759
That's the other issue with the content
in general is the amount of people that

439
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:49.279
gained popularity for like having nothing.
Yeah, you know what I mean,

440
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:56.279
Like and human is obviously incredibly smart
because if he did a mice eye podcast,

441
00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.240
it's not getting any views. No, that's true, true, Like

442
00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:02.799
he had to go outside of his
expertise. Yeah, and then people,

443
00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:06.960
you know, people pick up on
whatever vocabulary that he's borrowed and thrown into

444
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:10.559
the show, and they use it
with like they understand what it means,

445
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:12.839
and he or may may or may
not understand what it means. It just

446
00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:18.880
fits. Yeah, if it's the
content and it's this is not just like

447
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:22.279
wellness, like I actually, you
know, consume content outside of fitness,

448
00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:27.920
actually mostly outside of fitness, because
I don't always vibe with what's out there

449
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:33.200
anyway. There's a there's an account
that I follow on Instagram and it's like

450
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:41.920
a it's like building renovation kind of
stuff, you know, and fifty percent

451
00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:45.440
or more of the time, you
know the guy is showing what he did.

452
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:48.880
It's like, don't do this.
Do this, And a ton of

453
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:52.240
people will come and say, look, I've been a contractor of for twenty

454
00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:56.000
five, thirty years or whatever.
You hear that's wrong, right, it's

455
00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:57.599
just fucking wrong, right, you
should do it that way, and that's

456
00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:00.519
going to fall apart and months.
But that guy gets the most views,

457
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:04.599
tons of views. Yeah, yeah, and he's the guy now. Yeah,

458
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:08.799
it's hard to it's hard to vet
that stuff if you don't know anything

459
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:12.759
about it right at all. It's
an online coach argument, like eighty percent

460
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:17.759
off people who coach fitness online have
never coached in person. Yeah, and

461
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:21.599
that's scary and not that you like
have to nowadays because it is such such

462
00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:23.920
a different skill set, But like, why why wouldn't you write like I'm

463
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.119
just gonna show you how to make
a doorframe, but I've never actually built

464
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.960
a house, right, I'm just
showing you how to make a doorframe out

465
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.519
of nowhere, Like, yeah,
obviously, in that isolated bubble of me

466
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:36.319
making a doorframe, I could edit
it to make it look like I know

467
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:38.039
exactly what's going on. It looks
perfect, but again, yeah, with

468
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:41.440
some real expert goes, was like, dude, that thing's gonna fall off

469
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:45.240
the hinge or it's not gonna walk
or whatever the fuck. And that's kind

470
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:48.359
of yeah, just the Internet,
and that is getting even weirder with deep

471
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:53.319
fakes. It's getting weirder with voices
like, yeah, reality is getting quite

472
00:31:53.319 --> 00:32:00.680
blurry. What did you just have
to do? I think it was main

473
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:04.200
is YouTube. I think that that
Now there's a question about whether or not

474
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:08.000
you've used any any deep fakes in
your in your video me in general,

475
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:10.920
no people people. I was like
me, fuck, I was like,

476
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:15.079
I haven't done anything. Have you
seen that I did? Yeah, okay,

477
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:17.440
I think it's mainly feel like shorts, but also I'm sure for I

478
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:22.039
think I mentioned on the podcast,
I have like a couple accounts that follow

479
00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:24.240
me and I'll just like click on
a new follower or something that are on

480
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:30.160
AI generated. They'll take like their
their face and it's like you could tell

481
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:34.279
because it's kind of in the same
general direction. It's probably like the same

482
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:37.799
selfie. And then now they're like
in a dress in Paris and they're in

483
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:39.440
a dress on the beach and there, and I could just tell, like,

484
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:43.680
I'm like, bro, that's so
literally just AI and these are guys,

485
00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:45.599
right, so both both yeah,
both sort of got both and I

486
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:49.920
mean not the dress part, but
they're they're both male and female, and

487
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:53.519
and their skins obviously fucking perfect.
Their eyes are fucking gleaming. Yeah,

488
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:58.599
And it's just the whole page is
just AI generated and some of them got

489
00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:00.160
like, yeah, fifty k followers
something, You're like, Jesus Christ,

490
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:04.720
I get that. It's like aesthetically
pleasing, but yeah, how fake.

491
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:07.480
Yeah, you know literally deep,
I mean deep fake music I think we've

492
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:10.920
talked about on here is fucking crazy. Like there's so much stuff. There's

493
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:15.000
a Kai Sanat singing a Kisha Cole
song and it's so good, like he

494
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:19.680
sounds legitimately good, but like then
he tried to sing it on stream and

495
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:22.720
he can't sing word shit. You
know, he's just the worst singer ever.

496
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:25.240
But like the the AI version,
he's fucking crushing it. And you

497
00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:28.599
can still tell like if I played
at SeaBus, would know be like,

498
00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:30.559
oh yeah, that sounds like his
voice. It's just so weird. Yeah,

499
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:36.640
reality is getting torn quick man.
We're Ready Player ones ten years out,

500
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:39.200
yeah, ten years out and idiocrasy
yeah yeah, well that's gonna be

501
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:43.559
the real world is idiocracy, yeah, because we're all going to escape to

502
00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:47.119
the Ready Player one world. Yeah, I have you seen Idiocracy? No,

503
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:50.960
that's your homework. Yeah, seriously, we should do that on the

504
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:54.960
show. You see you've seen Wally. Yeah, so Idiocracy to me is

505
00:33:55.079 --> 00:34:04.559
like the slapstick comedy live action of
yeah, without as many robots. Yeah,

506
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:07.360
they're not in outer space, but
but same general idea like that,

507
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:13.840
the the core concept is the same. It's Owen Wilson or what's his brother's

508
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:16.159
name, Luke Luke. It's Luke
Wilson. Yeah, it's Luke Wilson,

509
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:20.320
the one without the nose. Yeah, it's crazy. But some of that

510
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:22.800
stuff is getting so real. You
know, Burger King or what is it?

511
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:25.679
I think it's Carls Junior in the
movie like runs the World? Yeah,

512
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.679
right in Wally, basically a Walmart
style company runs the world. Yeah,

513
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:34.159
it's old, but but it's like
so tapped into what the hell's going?

514
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:37.079
The same guy's office space. We've
seen office space, office spaces.

515
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:42.559
In my opinion, office space is
like a literal classic and idiocricy is like

516
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:45.880
a funny like scary, Yeah,
like a scary funny yeah, because it's

517
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:51.039
so true. But office space is
gold. Office space is so damn good.

518
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:53.719
That's not Grandma's Boys Too? Is
that the same one the video game

519
00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:58.079
movie? I don't know, possibly
it might be Grandma's Boys. It's the

520
00:34:58.119 --> 00:35:02.280
same guy as Beavis and Butt.
Oh I know, And oh my god,

521
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:06.559
what's the propane one in Texas?
What are they called? What's it

522
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:12.079
called? King of the Hill?
I never really watched I don't know why.

523
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:15.840
I never really watched it. Yeah, same same creator. Office Spaces

524
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:19.920
insane like good, yeah, it's
it's too good. It's too it's it's

525
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:22.960
gonna lose relevancy though, yeah,
right, because like how many people work

526
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:24.800
in office like that? Yeah?
After the jokes are kind of insiety or

527
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:30.360
like the TG Fridays they go to
whatever the that's like those restaurants are dying.

528
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:31.880
It was literally TGI Friday? Is
that what it's called? I think?

529
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:35.480
So pretty sure? Stupid? How
do they not get sued? I

530
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:39.159
don't know. Maybe it isn't TJF, but it basically feels like it and

531
00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:44.000
flair. Yeah, yeah, how
many ends you got? How many pens

532
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:46.320
you have to have on your on
your uniform. That's not a thing anymore.

533
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:49.400
I don't think, no, but
I'm sure it was some more all

534
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:52.079
because everything comes back. Yeah,
but the office might not. Yeah,

535
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:57.519
maybe not. I don't know,
man, but uh. I was having

536
00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:01.000
a conversation around this surem an article
yesterday by text with a friend and we

537
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:08.000
were talking about He's like, once
people get money, they change, and

538
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:13.639
I was like, I think that
money is like adversity. It's like the

539
00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:19.599
flip of adversity. Adversity it reveals
it doesn't really change. Ye, And

540
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:22.480
I said, I don't think that
people don't think people really change, And

541
00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:25.280
he's like, well, I've changed. I used to not believe in this

542
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:29.280
kind of thing, and now I
do believe in this kind of thing and

543
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:32.519
something changed along the way. And
I'm like, well, was that.

544
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:42.000
I think it's often an emotional reaction
that changes intellectual reaction, like here's here's

545
00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:49.880
a safe one. The attitudes around
marijuana and legalization of marijuana like that has

546
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:58.159
definitely changed over time quickly. But
yeah, but people people had emotional reactions

547
00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:00.679
to folks who were using it and
they were and it was helping them from

548
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:07.840
a medical standpoint, or you know
the people who people who can unlike me

549
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:15.320
and who who it calms their their
anxiety, their paranoia, whatever whatever.

550
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:19.559
Once you have an experience with that
kind of thing, it starts to change

551
00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:22.760
how you think about it, and
then how you think about it changes how

552
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:28.039
you speak about it, and how
you speak about it has an emotional effect

553
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:30.920
on other people, and you know
or like yeah, but yeah, it

554
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:34.960
could go those ways because the experience
too, right, the more you're like

555
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:38.800
around stuff and like actually witnessed it
versus like marijuana itself to at least in

556
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:44.119
America and my childhood had like so
much propaganda, like it was insane,

557
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:46.360
Like the commercials when they're smash an
egg. Yeah, and they did just

558
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:50.280
say drugs, but that basically the
whole footage was them smoking it. Yeah,

559
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:52.719
I always yeah, only marijuana is
a gateway drug. Meanwhile, the

560
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:58.599
very next commercials is pushing Budweiser because
you're gonna get hot chicks and you're going

561
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:01.639
to be jacked when you drink bud
wise there like the media machine of all

562
00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:05.800
that plays such a like thick role, and yeah, kind of the emotional

563
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:08.599
attachment, but still yeah, and
then growing up right wherever you grew up,

564
00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:10.639
if you grew up around it or
didn't grow up around it, your

565
00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:15.480
opinions were probably more drawn to that
exposures like such a you know, even

566
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:19.920
the meathead stereotype whatever, it is, right, but until you go to

567
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:22.840
a real gym and you meet some
smart people, yeah, you know,

568
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:24.559
yeah, it is. It is
tough. I've been in this business a

569
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:30.559
while and I am still shocked by
the people who don't have you know,

570
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:36.320
don't have a medical degree or or
or a PhD and something or whatever,

571
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:42.800
who are meatheads who also are just
super smart. Yeah, I'm always still

572
00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:45.400
blown away by that. I shouldn't
be by now, I should have should

573
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:49.039
not have that expectation, but but
I do. But the thing is,

574
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:53.760
like they're the their personalities are complicated
in that they are also meatheads. Yeah,

575
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:58.000
yeah, they're not Dolmar or somebody. Yeah, they're not just intellectuals,

576
00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:00.159
but they're they are also truly meeted. They're as meat as any other

577
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:06.239
meat at but they're also intellectual that
that blows my mind. Yell, that

578
00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:07.800
might be a little bit newer,
right, because I'm sure when lifting was

579
00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:14.119
really first popular in the sixties or
whatever, maybe they were all just dufasis

580
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:17.639
potentially, you know, who knows, because those still exist, right or

581
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:22.559
athletes, same idea, athletes get
a get a rapper being absolute idiots.

582
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:24.719
But I've met some that are crazy
intelligent. But I've also met some that

583
00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:29.360
are just complete morons. Yeah,
and only literally only good at whatever they

584
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:34.280
do. Yeah, speaking of this
is an aside. Speaking of marijuana,

585
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:44.880
I'm highly recommending The Gentleman on Netflix. It's a Guy Ritchie created series about

586
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:55.760
members of the British aristocracy being how
to put basically, they're hosting marijuana grows

587
00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:02.840
underground on their estates. Is all
sitcommy, uh, it's it's funny.

588
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:06.840
It's definitely funny. I don't know, it's not real. No, it's

589
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:08.519
not real as far as I know. But like, like you still can't

590
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:14.599
like legally by pod in Europe,
in in in in England. Yeah,

591
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:16.679
because obviously, which is weird,
right, because a lot of Europe moves

592
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:21.199
together in a lot of places,
you know, Like, I'm sure it's

593
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:23.119
been legal and obviously the Netherlands and
ship but I think Germany, I think

594
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:29.400
a lot of places it's been legal, yeah, like highly recreationally. Yeah,

595
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:31.639
bars and ship, right, which
is weird. That's something that and

596
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:36.239
then talk about like yeah, I
don't know if it's propaganda or just stereotype,

597
00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:39.320
like that's still not a thing in
America. The first I think lounge

598
00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:43.840
open in Vegas like this year.
Yeah, it's not it's not that big

599
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:46.280
of right, but it's been legal
in like Colorado and Washington and Oregon for

600
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:50.360
over a decade. Yeah, I
don't know. I don't know exactly why,

601
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:54.239
except that there's still a federal prohibition
against right that could get exercise at

602
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:57.840
some point and you could, you
know, lose the whole business or whatever.

603
00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:00.639
But also they could just switch to
the alcohol and not have to worry

604
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:01.639
about it. But but then you
look at alcohol too, right, and

605
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:05.800
we look at deaths and danger.
Yeah, we got bars on every corner.

606
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:08.719
Yeah, it's just wild, tremendously
more dangerous. It's just like grandfathered

607
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:14.159
into the to the culture. Because
I'm sure there's some and maybe this is

608
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:16.840
conspiracy mic talking, but I'm sure
there's coming a back end deal going on

609
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:21.960
with a lot of there has to
be someone's making money somewhere. What what

610
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:24.239
were they talking about with Huberman and
alcohol that he was like the first to

611
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:27.599
demonize it. They had a big
part on that too. He was,

612
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:30.239
Yeah, demonized as alcohol for sure, drinking to excess, I guess not

613
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:34.559
not so much not drinking at all, but drinking to excess. Yeah,

614
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:37.239
which is a wild thing that you
know, like went viral six months ago

615
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:42.400
about like not even one drinks healthy
for you, Like yeah, yeah,

616
00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:45.159
yeah, they're not going to kill
you. But like yeah, like why

617
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:49.280
what what? Because they did?
And that's probably propaganda too, right,

618
00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:52.840
Like the big wine or whatever is
making it show that red wine cures cancer.

619
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:57.480
You know, there was ship like
that forever my whole life. Yeah,

620
00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:00.719
the the what they call the French
paradox. Yeah, people who drank

621
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:07.679
red wine every day had better health
outryms. But that study was way flawed.

622
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:10.679
Yeah, it just makes no sense, Like there's no way putting wine

623
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:15.079
in my body once a day for
my entire life is going to make an

624
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:19.880
effect versus not having it. Yeah, I mean negative or positive kind of

625
00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:24.159
the theory was like with wine or
beer or whatever in moderation. It has

626
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:30.320
a thinning effect on your blood,
so you're having you're less likely to have

627
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:35.000
have heart attacks. And they're about
like restrol and all this shit yeah,

628
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:38.559
which probably is verytral doesn't do much
of anything at all except to give you

629
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:43.519
diarrhea. Yeah, And then the
stats could probably be swayed because you could

630
00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:47.360
find countries that drink more wine than
beer if you're big wine. And those

631
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:51.639
are also probably countries that tend to
walk more, have more public transit.

632
00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:53.960
Right, and then you look at
America consumes more beer than wine and everyone's

633
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:59.480
fat and dying. But either there's
too many factors to write and the kind

634
00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:04.119
of the big alcohol is collapsing,
like there are fewer people drinking right now.

635
00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:07.400
Yeah, and so that's like brings
up you know, not the rap

636
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:14.559
rap, but you bring that up. And like humanman obviously fucking destroyed whatever

637
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:17.880
five or six women's lives and fucked
with them pretty bad. Maybe not obviously,

638
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:24.639
but allegedly. I'm not going to
court. And uh, but then

639
00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:28.800
like did he get a bunch of
people to stop drinking? And like I'm

640
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:32.199
not a cold plunger or red light
guy, but we've talked about it.

641
00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:37.039
Over the last fifteen years of our
podcasting with like supplements and other things.

642
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:42.679
I am for if something keeps you
in routine and locked in that, it's

643
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:45.320
probably that positive, right. I
don't I'm not a pre workout guy.

644
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:49.079
I don't really care. I don't
think it does shit. Even creatine I

645
00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:52.320
think is probably overrated. I know
there's tons of studies and it's safe and

646
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:54.400
all that, and there's some benefits, but like people talk about it like

647
00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:58.440
it's steroids, like it's not going
to help you, like crazy. But

648
00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:02.119
if taking five grams of cree every
morning allowed allows you to be in a

649
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:07.159
routine, to move your body more, eat more broccoli, sleep better than

650
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:09.440
yeah, man, be a creatine
addict, right, So there's a net

651
00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:15.559
positive there. I wonder if how
we measure that or what the public view

652
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:17.159
is, or even if they consider
it. I guess is my bigger option

653
00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:22.360
with Huberman? You know, oh, I mean non balance. Has he

654
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:24.480
done more good than harm? Yeah? Maybe? Because again, like we

655
00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:29.960
started this whole thing with p Diddy
and like that is allegedly I'm not going

656
00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:32.440
to court there either, they say. Folks say, you know, that's

657
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:37.960
like devilish activity, Like that's bad
that's bad human where you know so far

658
00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:40.840
what I've read on Humorman like probably
not a guy I want to hang out

659
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:44.599
with, but like is he the
devil? I don't know, you know,

660
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:46.239
And I talk about all this stuff
too, and in jest about in

661
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:51.639
semi series people talk about r Kelly
and Michael Jackson and they throw them the

662
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:53.800
same categories. And I've watched all
the documentaries I could on both. Yeah,

663
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:59.079
the Corey Feldman thing, have you
seen that? It was? It

664
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:01.400
popped up again recently. I know
that name who's Corey Feldman. Corey Fildm

665
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:07.800
was an actor who was very close
to he shouldn't stand by me, he

666
00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:13.239
uh to Michael Jackson, very close
to Michael Jackson. And he was one

667
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:19.199
saying that like Hollywood is full of
pedophiles, Yeah, who pray on child

668
00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:22.039
actors and aspiring child actors. And
they're like in the interview, like what

669
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:25.400
about Michael Jackson's Like, Michael Jackson
never touched me. He didn't do any

670
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:29.199
of that stuff as far as I
know, but I know who did.

671
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:34.440
And you know he claims that no
one's wanted to listen to him. Yeah,

672
00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:36.920
yeah, I mean that's that's like
where the whole thing goes And I'm

673
00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:38.800
obviously a huge of Michael Jackson fan, so I do it in jest and

674
00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:42.760
its semi series though, But like
you interview like even the parents of the

675
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:45.719
kids and stuff, and they were
on the campus when the kids visited.

676
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:47.760
Not to say that he's innocent,
I don't know. I don't know,

677
00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:51.280
shit, I was not there.
But then like you talk to the parents

678
00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:54.679
of r Kelly's victims and they haven't
talked to their kid in ten years.

679
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:58.119
Their kid won't answer their call or
answer their text, right, Like,

680
00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:01.199
it's just a very different vibe going
on. Right, this PDD seems to

681
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:05.280
be more along the line of that
or Epstein or whatever the fuck's going on,

682
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:08.519
which I don't care how much gorgeous
music you put out, Like it's

683
00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:12.800
still net negative now, right,
Like all that goes away, like you

684
00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:15.559
could have been the best artist and
PDD, he's not even in that conversation,

685
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:22.119
but hypothetically the most miraculous musical genius
of time. But now it just

686
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:23.440
goes away like you fucked up,
bro, Like you're a piece of shit,

687
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:27.880
you know, But humor, man, you know, not again,

688
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:30.639
I don't think cheating's good. But
like is he the devil? I don't

689
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:34.280
know. Is he just a you
know? The other thing too, is

690
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:37.960
he's just human? Right, And
so like Leonardo DiCaprio has been famous since

691
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:40.119
he's fourteen. He's in a lot
of these things too now with Nickelodeon and

692
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:45.519
other things coming about. But hypothetically, you know, like he was like

693
00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:49.920
taught to be famous, yeah,
because he was raised that way. So

694
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:52.360
whether he's pr trained or he's just
a good dude, no shots at Leonardo,

695
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:57.159
you know, he's not gonna go
about those stuff gostling same thing,

696
00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:00.920
yeah, right, all these guys
child, all the Paul Brothers. Yeah,

697
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:02.400
you know, a lot about adult
starts a little weird. Yeah,

698
00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:08.119
but he's not adult. He's an
adult y star as an adult, and

699
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:13.599
so they've basically been taught, or
the lack of a serious but probably true

700
00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:15.760
groom to be famous. Yeah.
Well like human popped out of famous at

701
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:20.400
whatever he is forty eight in twenty
twenty one. Yeah, you know,

702
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:24.480
like he is just human. Everyone's
got flaws. Hopefully they're not cheating and

703
00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:30.320
playing six women's lives, but no
one's perfect. Yeah, And you know

704
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:36.480
the thing about that is just the
is a lack of transparency about it for

705
00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:39.000
sure for his partners, you know, just if you if you're going to

706
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:43.039
if that's who you're gonna be,
Like, I have a friend who is

707
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:46.800
who you know is that's his thing. But he's like very upfront about it,

708
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:51.159
you know, like this is what's
going on with me. If that's

709
00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:54.440
not something that you like or whatever, that's that's fine, much better way

710
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:57.679
to go about it. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, I don't know.

711
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:00.480
I don't know, And it is
just a yeah, hight correlation with his

712
00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:06.159
maybe not lying but because he may
believe his own shit, but stretching his

713
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:12.239
educational truths. Yeah, exactly.
I want to actually sort of close this

714
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:16.400
out if you're comfortable with it.
Uh A. This is an article from

715
00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:22.760
that from very well mined, which
is aside I don't know anything about.

716
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:28.519
But it's a list from the Cult
Education Institute of the Specific Warning Science to

717
00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:32.679
look out whether a group might be
a cult. And I think that that

718
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:42.159
is a lot of what goes on
behind the just that blind belief in a

719
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:47.840
particular figure to hubanman or the or
constantly defending whatever whatever. Okay, so

720
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:52.719
that it still just surprises me,
how like fast both sides on Twitter are

721
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:59.360
to either like condemn him or protect
him. I'm just like one you guys

722
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:01.840
know and knows them here, like
Lex Friedman talked about it. That's fine,

723
00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:05.800
Like he's your buddy, you know, like at least your semi attached

724
00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:07.159
to the situation, you can make
a statement. Yeah, but there are

725
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:13.079
millions of people that have nothing to
do with Yes, and you're and you're

726
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:19.039
so attached to your belief of this
human that you don't know that you've listened

727
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:23.159
to for hours in a calculated audio. Yeah, and now you're gonna fucking

728
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:27.599
go to war for this dude.
Yeah, either side, it's it's just

729
00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:30.800
weird to me. I think again, Like that's like the bigger picture issue

730
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:35.119
of all this, Like it exposes
Yeah, the cult or anti cult.

731
00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:37.119
I don't care what side you're on. I think you're wrong. Yeah,

732
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:40.320
And I think and we've we've talked
about this before too with human that that

733
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:46.679
like once you get into that groove, you're stuck searching for other kinds of

734
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:51.239
guests. That so you can continue
to make content on a schedule. And

735
00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:52.840
yeah, for sure, and so
you get into stuff that you shouldn't get

736
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:58.360
into because you've given yourself essentially no, no out, no other way to

737
00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:00.320
do, which is like, okay, if you're saying like I'm a content

738
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:02.960
creator, I'm an entertainer. Yeah, right, but then the white coat

739
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:06.880
bias plays in correct. If he
was not a doctor of anything, he

740
00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:09.119
would just be with Joe Rogan,
yeah, which is like fine, right,

741
00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:13.320
but then yeah, we got to
take it for entertainment. Yeah,

742
00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:21.159
So here are the ten things.
Absolute authoritarianism without accountability. I mean you

743
00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:24.239
would say that just what we what
we saw in his relationships, that's probably

744
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:30.880
Yeah, that's probably a true thing. Zero tolerance for criticism or questions is

745
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:37.320
number two. Lack of meaningful full
financial disclosure regarding budget. That's really more

746
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:45.039
of an organized cult kind of situation
of the church. Yeah. Unreasonable fears

747
00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:50.960
about the outside world that often involve
evil conspiracies and persecutions. Plenty of that

748
00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:55.280
out there, not necessarily I'm not
saying specifically about Huberman, however, the

749
00:50:57.360 --> 00:51:00.599
you know, for a scientists,
there are a lot people people who follow

750
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:07.000
him. Some of them have some
very i would say anti science kind of

751
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:12.079
beliefs, you know, yeah,
for being a science podcast. Yeah,

752
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:14.440
he's had a lot of guests on
that aren't even close to him. That's

753
00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:19.400
yeah, yeah, a belief that
former followers are always wrong for leaving and

754
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:22.239
there is never a legitimate reason for
anyone else to leave. That's obviously a

755
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:25.480
very organized kind of situation. Yeah, but I don't know because I think

756
00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:30.320
it stretches to even like my example
of people blasted me for watching a Jordan

757
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:35.800
because it's just so anti like that
guy who hated on me could have been

758
00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:38.480
a Jordan Peterson fan eight years ago
potentially right then ripped out and then now

759
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:40.920
I'm the devil because I listened to
a podcast. Yeah, I mean I

760
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:44.880
used to be very, very big
Joe Rogan fan, and I'm not anymore

761
00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:47.000
because I think he's straight into territory
that he should have left. He stretches,

762
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:52.199
he stretches, and so I just
I don't consume any of his content

763
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:55.480
anymore after I listened to it for
hundreds of hours, Yeah, hundreds and

764
00:51:55.519 --> 00:52:02.960
hundreds of hours. And they talk
about in customer satisfaction, you know that

765
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:09.159
somebody who really is pissed off at
you because something happened with their order or

766
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:15.239
their service or whatever, and if
you can appease them, they'll flip and

767
00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:21.480
they'll become as ardent a fan or
customer as they were a hater, right

768
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:23.760
or double down? Yeah, And
and I think that that's just true everywhere.

769
00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:29.920
I don't think that's the thing.
It's limited to that circumstance. My

770
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:37.159
voice abusive members who knows records,
books, articles, or programs documenting the

771
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:40.679
abuses of the leader or group.
Now that's very much a group thing.

772
00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:50.800
But now scientology, every single documentary
about a cult has so much footage,

773
00:52:51.079 --> 00:52:55.559
like they shot everything, Like what
the hell, especially modern nation, that's

774
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:59.800
happening now that's not even reported.
Imagine like the next documentary on the next

775
00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:02.480
Cole Yeah, twenty twenty five is
gonna be everything, Yeah, it's gonna

776
00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:07.000
be a four K Yeah, exactly, everything. Followers feeling that they are

777
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:12.000
never able to be good enough for
sure, you need to keep the sheep

778
00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:15.440
sheep, yeah, exactly. A
belief that the leader is right at all

779
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:17.639
times. This is the This is
really it. This is like the I

780
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:22.159
think that's again, like the core
issue that I'm trying to argue with all

781
00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:28.920
this stuff is like the internet cultures
that the Internet is breeding that. Yeah,

782
00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:31.719
and as a society, we do
that everywhere, whether it's yeah,

783
00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:35.960
it's black and white, right,
and it's this guy or that guy,

784
00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:37.840
and this guy's one hundred percent right
and that guy's one hundred percent wrong.

785
00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:43.239
Yeah, like that world doesn't work
that way, no, you know,

786
00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:45.880
like all of them are probably closer
to a sixty forty fifty to fifty no

787
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:49.920
matter what, just depending on the
topic and the day. I'm sure I've

788
00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:52.760
said, shit, that's fucked.
Like you start doing long form content or

789
00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:54.039
you're on the internet a lot,
Yeah, you're gonna misspeak and you're not

790
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:59.480
gonna be perfect. And yeah,
it's just wild that that. Yeah,

791
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:02.840
I don't know, man, it's
bad. And the last one a belief

792
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:07.760
that the leader is the exclusive means
of knowing the truth or giving validation.

793
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:14.280
Yeah, again very content onliney Yeah, absolutely yeah, bad things bad bad

794
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:17.960
uh bad path. It seems we're
headed. But who knows? Who knows?

795
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:23.599
So many sheeople, that's the thing
that that really is just like and

796
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:28.760
and because we're consuming a lot of
that kind of thing on the internet,

797
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:32.559
you don't even know how many of
those are real people for sure, spots

798
00:54:32.679 --> 00:54:37.199
or or real beliefs, people who
are just taking a position like I don't

799
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:39.719
know how how well I'm sure that
it's happened to you at a ton it's

800
00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:45.559
certainly happened to me. Where someone
takes just a really arch position and if

801
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:51.280
you confront them about it, they've
so often fold it, depending on how

802
00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:52.599
you do it, but they so
often fold and say, oh, you

803
00:54:52.599 --> 00:55:00.159
know, especially if somebody says something
really like negative critical, you go and

804
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:00.800
they'll go, oh, well,
I didn't mean anything by that. Well,

805
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:04.599
then why the fuck did you say
it? Yeah, Destinely brought it

806
00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:07.320
up in this debate. He basically
was talking about his own political beliefs,

807
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:10.840
how they don't lie necessarily exactly in
one party, and it is kind of

808
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true, and that's kind of why
I like him, Like the left doesn't

809
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really accept them and the right definitely
doesn't accept them. But he said what

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he thinks is most people and he's
not even talking about political party. He's

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talking about most people find a community
whatever that is a group of friends,

812
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even and you just tend to base
your beliefs fully on what that group is

813
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starting to do, right, like
trends, which is just a bigger group

814
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and a louder group now that we
have the internet back in the day,

815
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maybe that's cool, right, because
we're both farmers and so we both have

816
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farm like beliefs that have to do
with our occupation that takes up most of

817
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our life, which ends up being
a little bit more authentic and true to

818
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who we are. But now with
the internet, chances you find like someone

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who has lived experiences like he was
probably kind of low because we're all just

820
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so unique. But now you're just
grouping all your beliefs with whatever, this

821
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fucking half assed group ass right,
you know, and same idea, Yeah,

822
00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:04.280
you push against that. They probably
don't have an argument because they're just

823
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following this group. Yeah, and
because you can't figure out how to believe

824
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in your own thing without validating from
His biggest argument is that people don't base

825
00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:17.840
any political views or decisions in life
on like a moral code, that they

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base it on a trend on round. Yeah, then that's why it's just

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not yeah stick, And he's so
right with that. And then at the

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yeah, it goes with all this
shit. Yeah, you get your own

829
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perspective on things based on your own
moral code, and then what fits into

830
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that code stays and what doesn't you
leave. That's probably how we should move.

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But who the fuck am I I
gotta pay on that note? Ladies

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