Oct. 25, 2023

Do we have free will? What if all our decisions are foregone conclusions?

Do we have free will? What if all our decisions are foregone conclusions?

We’ve got no free will. Stop attributing stuff to us that isn’t there. — Stanford neurobiologist Robert Sapolsky

When a Stanford neurobiologist states that free will largely doesn’t exist, and he’s joined in this thought by other neurobiologists...

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We’ve got no free will. Stop attributing stuff to us that isn’t there. — Stanford neurobiologist Robert Sapolsky

When a Stanford neurobiologist states that free will largely doesn’t exist, and he’s joined in this thought by other neurobiologists as well as a bunch of mathematicians, we have to take a moment to think about the whole idea. But was that really a choice? A decision? Or have our particular backgrounds destined us to take that pause?

In the world of fitness, are any of the choices we make about training, diet, etc., actually based on evaluating all the available options or are they just what we were always going to do?

This is maybe the trippy-est and potentially divisive episode of the show ever – though we as host are pretty much in agreement. Many of you may not feel the same way.

Listener resources: National Institutes of Health paper on Free Will LA Times article on the Stanford neurobiologist who says free will doesn't exist

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Okay, I just gotta THHC legally
highest THHC Seltzer from New Jersey wanting to

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work together. Oh that's not the
type of content I typically dive into.

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However, to shotgun a couple of
these on a podcast but takes might get

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a little weird. Yeah, I
don't know, man, I could be

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down for that. It seems so
scary as long as actually I mean I

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could. I don't think I would
shotgun them, and I don't and it

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would be hard on a podcast.
I don't know. So my my thhg

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C experience in my life is,
uh, this is revelatory, like in

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high school and college whatever, you
know. Yeah, weed was not that

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strong back then, is what they
say. I mean it really, I

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mean California more so, I think
than some places. Yeah, imagine imagine

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whatever that isn't in fucking Tennessee.
Yeah, the fifties, Yeah, I

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mean, ditchweed here was probably higher
than ditchweed some other place, but it

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was more of a hashish kind of
situation. Yeah, and because it was

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super cost effective for one thing,
like it seemed expensive but like you could

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break off a little bit and you
know, you would not need a whole

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lot and whatever. Yeah, that
generation probably invented like the spliff and stuff.

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I saw a documentary on like jazz
music. Yeah, basically I guess

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revolutionizing the marijuana industry in many a
way and then being in northern California exactly,

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so I think this came from Afghanistan, though strangely enough the Afghan blonde.

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I have heard of Afghans. So
yeah, and then I got to

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be about twenty two and just all
that stuff made me super paranoid and I

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just had to stop altogether. Not
that I was like any kind of a

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heavy user, you know, right, but I mean I stopped drinking around

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twenty three. Yeah, similar reasons, super paranoid. And then as I

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have gotten older and having had more
trouble with sleep, and gummies are legal

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in California, and so yeah,
that's what does But I never and when

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I'm awake, only when I'm asleep. So that's what looks crazy on here

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is I mean, I'm just clicking
on their Instagram, but it looks like

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it's a high level THHD drink,
which obviously they have all over but it's

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just in a convenience store. It's
in a regular market in New Jersey.

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Interesting. Yeah, like they have
a stand on the corner of like a

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frozen aisle. That's crazy. And
when I was a kid, when I

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was in high school, I guess
they test marketed. Heissert Bush test marketed

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a drink called Chelsea that if they
hadn't said that it had any alcohol in

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it, you would have thought that
or you would have just looked at the

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label and said, oh, it
doesn't really have much more alcohol than a

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regular soda has in the in the
in the manufacturing process or whatever. It's

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like really really like half a percent. Yeah, and uh, Anyway,

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there was such a backlash against it
that they pulled it off the market.

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They just test marketed, and like
where I lived was one of the places

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they test marketed. What was the
point It was just a soda. Yeah,

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yeah, basically just a soda,
but like that that it was like

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a little bit forbidden me because it
said it had a little bit of alcohol

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in it, but it had almost
done. That's weird because I mean that's

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basically what a seltzer is, right, and those are popping off. Yeah,

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like they call them like a you
know, like a I don't even

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know what the techniquely I guess they
just call them a seltzer, but they're

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all just sodas with like a hair
alcohol and Trulley's and what do the hell's

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people drink? But the deal is
like you didn't have to be twenty one

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to buy them. Oh yeah,
because of the legal because it was yeah,

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it was illegal amount. Yeah.
I don't know. It was delicious

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and I wish it would come back
somewhere. It was really good, kind

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of kind of like Ginger Ale but
a little more tart maybe, you know,

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I mean Ginger's good. Ginger is
delicious anyway, Yeah, just like

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backlash against that. So I'm surprised
they're able to sell it in like a

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Reglar store. Yeah, I mean, maybe it's just marketing. I mean

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all they dm me. I don't
want to put these guys on blast,

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but they literally just said let's work
and then a handshake emoji handshake emoji.

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Yeah yeah, just so the let's
work move. I wonder if they follow

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a bunch of people, No,
they don't follow me. If you've got

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a if you guys have thoughts about
this and just throw them in the discord,

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yeah, uh yeah, it could
just be marketing whites out in the

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middle of nowur there has been a
bunch of drinks that have like tried to

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do shit like this. Mm hmm. Like I remember growing up in high

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school was kind of the energy drink
revolution, you know, Red Bull and

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all that's popping off, and there
wasn't that many. It was just kind

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of Red Bull and rock Star.
But then they did have Bob Marley drink

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and it had like you know,
it's called the fucking it's like the opposite

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of an energy drink, like Bob
Marley on the cover, but maybe CBD

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but maybe something else. And then
it had like melatonin I think in it.

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Okay, you know, so yeah
we're gonna drink sleepy. Yeah,

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if you're gonna drink a soda with
melatonin, and yeah, you're probably gonna

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vibe a little bit. But there's
just no way it had pot in it

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in the you know, early two
thousands. Even this sixty milligrams, that's

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a lot. I mean that's probably
for the whole So, I don't know,

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people are crazy. You start listening
to what's his name, Joey Coco,

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Uncle Joey the comedian, Oh yeah, Joey Dias. Yeah, that

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to be taken like yeah, three
hundred milligrams or something like just asking for

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death. Yeah, it is funny. Yeah, I don't know, this

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is crazy. It's just in a
market. It's in a liquor store.

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So every states are obviously so different, like, yeah, most states have

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liquor stores. Yeah, California,
we have them, but we don't need

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them. We have liquor stores,
but they're not there's a lot of state

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run liquor stores in different I think
most states are are must like Ohio.

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I think even Oregon you can't buy
like tequila at a store. Yeah,

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all hard alcohol you have to buy
a liquor store. Yeah. Canada is

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like that too, I think a
lot of them Midway some of the provinces

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at least. Yeah, and then
you can't buy it past like like eight

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pm weekdays or something at six pm
Sundays, like you just can't find it,

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which obviously you know living here on
Sundays and yea, yeah, I

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think it's six pm. They close
it all liquor stores. And sometimes you

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can get beer certain places, but
yeah, I mean my two vibing in

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Vegas and here you can buy even
here, right, you can buy alcohol

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till two am at CBS if it's
open. Yeah, you can buy whatever

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bottle, which is just kind of
weird because I think the rest of the

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nation ain't used to it. I
think I said that before that the guy

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who owned the airbnb, one of
the airbnbs that we stayed in London,

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had a CBD company, CBD drink
company. Yeah, they tasted fine,

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but I didn't really notice anything from
them, And I've come to understand since

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then that like CBD has a synergistic
effect with THHC. Obviously they come from

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the derived from the same kind of
a world of plant, but if you

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put them together, they do something
different than they do alone. So I

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get that. I get that.
Yeah, I don't know. Has the

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CBD train has kind of slowed down? Yeah, On the internet, there

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was a fucking punch there for about
four or five years where everyone sponsored by

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CBD company, everyone had a CBD
company. Everyone's slamming CBD like it's a

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goddamn miracle drug. Where are those
guys? Now? You ain't getting paid

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for CBD, You guys aren't.
I don't see you guys posting about it.

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That's odd. Yeah, UK,
they don't have they don't have legal

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weeds, So yeah, they lean
heavy, heavily into the CBD. I

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mean even here, right, less
than half the states it's legal. No,

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I think it's more than half of
You're thirty thirty thirty one something like

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that, either combination of recreational and
medicinal. Yeah, medicinal I don't really

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count. Yeah, I'm looking meth
as legal medicinally, you know, like

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you're getting the crazy drugs on the
planet medicinally. Yeah. Well, yeah,

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if you have ADHD you can get
so well, if you have any

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if you have any issue and the
doctor writes it for you, I mean,

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pot's the same. Yeah. I
don't count that because that's everything,

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and then they'll give you oxy coding
and whatever. The fuck. It's harder

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to get now for those drugs.
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure it depends

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on your doctor. Oxy's a lot
harder to get now, depending upon you

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know where your where your doctor is. Whatever. My point is, POT

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being legal by a doctor doesn't really
count. Yeah. The other thing they're

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doing now is with with oxyes and
stuff like that. Is that like if

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you have a surgery where they give
you like X number of days of it

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without any refills. Yeah, well, yeah, I mean that makes sense.

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But I don't know. I don't
know if the refills are always issue.

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Like obviously, the longer you're on
it, I'm no expert in this

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category by any means, but the
longer you're on it, the more addicted

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you're probably gonna get. But if
you're on it, you're gonna go and

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you get addicted, you're gonna go
find it on your own. Yeah,

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right, it doesn't really matter if
the doctor is given it to you or

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no. That's the whole idea of
the black market or even just street drugs

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or people finding a way or shitty
doctors or millions of different ways. I

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have perhaps either the one of the
best or worst topics ever that we've we've

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ever discussed on this program, yeah, or any program in which we have

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participated together, which there are a
total of four. Now, I think

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who is the more who is the
judge whether it's the worst, best or

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the worst? Like category what Some
people think it's the best and some think

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it's the worst. This is gonna
be This is gonna be divisive. I

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think it's pretty divisive. It is
not specifically a fitness topic, but in

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a way it is. Okay,
So I this hit me this morning.

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This is from the La Times and
the headline is this scientist, after decades

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of study, we don't have free
will. Oh shit. Yeah. And

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you usually hear this from mathematicians where
they tell you that everything is like the

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math works out and everything and it
just is going to happen the way it's

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going to happen, and there's like
no decision that you can make that's going

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to keep something from happening that was
gonna happen anyway. I kind of get

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that. So this guy's written a
book. His name is he's a Stanford

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University neurobiologist. His name is Robert
Sepolski. And somewhere in here is the

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name of the book, but I
can't find it at the moment. But

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he says, we've got no free
will. Stop attributing stuff to us that

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isn't there, he said. MacArthur
genius Grant Winner is extremely aware of his

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out there position. Most neuroscientists believe
humans have at least some degree of free

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will. So to most philosophers and
the vast majority of general the general population.

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Free will is essential to how we
see ourselves feeling, the satisfaction of

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achievement or the shame of failing to
do the right thing. Saying that people

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have no free will is a great
way to start an argument, which is

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probably why we're going to talk about
it. He says, this okay,

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analyzing human behavior through the lens that
this is just from the article. Analyzing

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human behavior through the lens of any
single discipline leaves room for possibility that people

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choose their actions, he says,
but after a long cross disciplinary career,

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he feels that it's intellectually just on
us to write anything other than what he

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sees as the unavoidable conclusion free will
is the myth, and the sooner we

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accept that, the more society,
more just our society will be. He's

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basically saying that all of us are
influenced by the situation that we've grown up

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in what our biology is. Yeah, I've heard of these arguments, all

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of that, and so when it
comes down to decision making, all of

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that stuff just pushes us in the
direction of whatever decision we're going to make.

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Yeah, I've taken a lot of
psych before I dropped out, and

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you know, the nature versus nurture
conversation and what percentage on the spectrum most

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humans sit into that obviously, this
just takes an extreme one that goes beyond

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right, So you're treated a certain
way from age five to six or sorry,

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one to six or whatever, then
its situations arrive in your life.

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You're so programmed that your reaction or
action to environment two situation two X is

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already quote unquote planned out. I
think that argument's just tough because I think

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you could probably throw one there's a
trillion variables, and then two you could

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throw kids in the exact same situation. And this is like the most top

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level. So I mean, this
guy's a neurologist, a fucking Stanford.

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I'm a meathead. But the top
levels situation you see often, right,

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it's a kid grows up in like
an alcoholic house, one kid becomes an

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alcoholic, one kid has never touched
alcohol in his life, right, right,

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And so obviously there's other variables within
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each situation is so unique that there's
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be I actually tend to agree with
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right now. I tend to agree
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than we think, and people argue
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What are we? Who am I? Right, you start to go into

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existential crisis if you don't think you're
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kind of the beauty of peace,
you know, enlightenment if you're trying to

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find it or digging deep into yourself, is that you control a lot less

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than you think. So just kind
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to think of yourself potentially as just

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a drone who's going to do what
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to which we all fret over decision
making, right like, is that entirely

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wasted time? I mean, how
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that goes against what your gut initially
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seconds that you began to contemplate it
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decisions already laid out with it or
against it? Right? Yeah, against

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our will obviously, Yeah, even
on the base level. Psych I've done

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you know, therapy for decades now
our brain, you know, and a

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lot of therapists are psychiatrists. Think
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might dig in and it can like
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where this you know, gets real
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and I think of it this way
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am is like kind of my soul. Maybe over here and maybe Western world

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always attaches our soul to like our
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know, we die as we know, but our brains I often think about

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with my own issues and other people
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is that your brain is programmed,
and a lot of that is through

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how we're grown up, and so
it has like a default program. And

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if anyone's done basic coding, which
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some basic ass coding in high school, if a happens, B will happen

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and it will trigger Z. And
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and I notice it all the time. The reason I don't necessarily think that

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everything's set out for me is because
I've had moments where I've stepped away,

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like okay, my brain is doing
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y Z's happened in my past,
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thoughts, my brain is doing this, My brain is already on this roller

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coaster trigger and not stopping. But
I'm I'm going to decide to you know,

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switch the little train path and stop
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of the like the most basic one
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and then your brain goes on it
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happens in real life, and now
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like am I getting after? Am
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but those thoughts and that program isn't
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running on their own. Yeah,
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and psychs. You know, a
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and tools to kind of derail that
or think about that, or walk yourself

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out of those thoughts to see how
much of it is real. Yeah,

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because a lot of it's not a
lot of it's just your brain fucking saying

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shit or running forever. Yeah,
he says, we know we make worse

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decisions when we're hungry, stressed,
or scared. We know our physical makeup

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is influenced by the genes inherited from
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which is a bigger thing than most
people consider. Yeah, talk about

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abundant evidence indicates that people who grew
up in home was marked by chaos and

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deprivation will perceive the world differently and
make different choices than people raised in safe,

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stable, resource rich environments. Yeah. I mean, I believe all

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that. I just don't know if
it's worked totally on cruise control. I

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don't know either, But and I
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theory says that that stuff will change
over time as you experience different things.

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And then I guess the X factor
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universe on cruise control? Yeah?
And that's what the mathematicians tell us,

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right, So the whole thing is
just that's more where I sit, like,

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I think I'm maybe, you know, sixty seven percent sentient and having

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some fucking choices or fifty or whatever. But if the universe is on cruise

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control, that's where I was gonna
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probably is, you know, like
whether you want to believe that it's set

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in stone or we can change it
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path that we can't control, and
so you just kind of hands off,

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much, so many factors and so many

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things that are out of our control
in this world, which is obviously very

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relevant to what's going on in today's
age. Like just do what you can

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do. But but if you can't
fix it or change it, yeah,

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yeah, Yeah. I'm not saying
try not don't try to do good or

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don't try to help, but if
we're stressing over things we have no control

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over. So a thing that he
that he's an argument he makes here that

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I have some trouble with, is
that like if somebody does a mass shooting,

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we treat them as you know,
a terrible criminal, or we treat

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them as someone who's mentally ill or
whatever, but we don't treat them as

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if they were just destined to do
that. Although some in the same way,

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he's arguing that that we should look
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look at somebody who had a heart
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do. But isn't there some laws
that do though? Yeah? And for

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sure, Yeah, like the law
is kind of set up that way,

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like oh they were crazy, yeah, or they're give them ten years or

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go give them a hopefully treatment.
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like he's destroying like twenty industries,
yeah, you know what I mean,

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Like like therapy's out because it can't
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That's why I do think we're probably
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even me, you know, my
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raised with you know, great family. But like eating habits were not taught

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and they're and what's the right way
to be taught when you're eight, Right,

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you can go too strict. You're
just gonna feed your kids ground turkey

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veggies. Like that's not it either. No one has the answer is part

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of the issue of all psychology.
There's no rule book. But I do

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believe that people's brains are more and
some people blame it on hormones, gramarlin

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and all these things like what or
grellin what when you can say no,

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you don't know what full feels like. You don't know what satiated feels like.

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You don't know all these factors.
I do think that plays a role.

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But we've seen it time and time
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lifestyle is too healthy. So it
has to be possible somewhere. And again

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the programming, say we are one
hundred percent on autopilot, is more complicated

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than any computer that's ever been on
earth. So maybe, yeah, there's

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that one percent factor that if xyz
Domino's fall, then that person will stop

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eating McDonald's. Is possible. It
is interesting in fitness, it is.

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But yeah, because we are all
entirely enchanted by like transformation stories, right,

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yeah, and but the real trick
of transformation is sticking with it.

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stuff. Sort of an argument for
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you ultimately end up in the same
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there's been like transformations, I don't mean

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to rag on this guy because he's
really popular. I don't even know his

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name. But like there's been like
trainers and a couple I can think about

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in particular, not friends, but
just internet folk out of like, uh,

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they're all jacked, probably on steroids, and then they get fat on

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purpose to prove a point. Then
they get hell of skinny, right,

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and they do it with their clients
like oh I can get up to three

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hundred pounds and back to two twenty. Yeah, yeah, all those there's

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multiple but like, well, yeah, one because you have the tools too,

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because you're probably not built to be
like a fat kid. And we've

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joked about it for years, like
having a fat kid mentality, or like

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I always say I'm fat, and
I don't necessarily mean by like my body

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fat percentage, but like by my
habits and how my brain works. I'm

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fat, you know, Like I'm
stressed, I'm tired, I'm anything.

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I just want to go get ice
cream, you know. Or like there's

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a whole box of cheese it's in
front of me. I can't have a

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serving. I'm going to eat the
whole box of cheese. It's like there

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are things like that that are Yeah, you want to call it addictive.

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You want to call it cruise control, you want to call it no free

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will, whatever the hell you want
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strong that I have had times I
fuel them like a drug addiction, you

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know, and I know a lot
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Whatever that means, right, Because
you when we're looking at conversations like

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this, every definition or example we
have is like almost meaningless or like become

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so small. Right, this is
like the overarching what is life? What

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is the meaning of life? Question? So all these other examples because if

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that is true, then addiction is
in a thing, right right, So

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like that's why it's like backtracking on
my own sentences, because yeah, it's

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not addiction, it's just the behavior
that you're programming. Discipline is not thing.

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It's not a word. All these
words are once we open this door,

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you know, Pandora's box. Yeah, all these words literally lose meaning.

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Discipline is not a thing. Addiction
is not a thing. Yeah,

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hard works not a thing. These
are meaningless words, yeah, exactly.

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And I think that the people who
who do successfully make a change, they

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are able to do it because that
was part of their makeup as well,

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right, they're supposed to do it
when they reach thirty because they get their

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first heart palpitation, right, whatever
the fuck, Like that just happens,

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and it is true. But I
think for this neuro scientist who's probably twenty

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times smarter than me, maybe one
hundred times, that's still even with his

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knowledge. And I don't even know
this guy, he could be an idiot.

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But let's give him the benefit of
doubt, because there's dumb doctors out

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there, people, and there's dumb
people that get fucking New York Times,

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and there's dumb people everywhere. That's
one issue. But let's say he's the

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smartest motherfucker on the planet, there's
still too many factors for him to straight

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up say yes or no. I
would think that that's the case, although

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I tend to agree with them.
Yeah, okay, let's take another another

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perspective, like maybe a little bit
more historical perspective on our on our own

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lives, Like we've been traveling together
for at least twelve years, yeah,

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twenty eleven, Yeah, And and
I mean that's that's one slice of time.

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And then like your whole life slice
of time, and you think about

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the things that you've been involved with
and things that you know, jobs you've

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had, or or quote decisions you've
made or whatever, and how many times

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have you made decisions that were inconsistent
with your basic character? Yeah? Yeah,

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we'll start maybe by dumb it down. My little bro, myke Sean

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stop by the other day and we
were just talking about a bunch of ship,

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but then we ended up talking about
as kids because I've known him since

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he was in kindergarten. Because now
he works for Cold Plunge, you know,

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he's one of the lead salesmen there. And he said, he's like,

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Dude, if you told me I'm
gonna grow up and be a salesman,

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I would say no, there's just
no fucking way. Yeah. And

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he's like, and if we grew
up and said, you're probably gonna podcast

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and do like apparel and stuff like
maybe, And I was like, yeah,

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I I never even thought about my
shit, you know. But he's

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a lot like me, so he
would probably see himself more in this yeah

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world, although he works for a
small ish company or an internet company,

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so he does get the creator side
and the entrepreneur side, I think.

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But yeah, even that alone,
like what you see yourself as? And

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then what you see yourself become can
be so different, maybe based on this

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guy's truths. Yeah right, because
what you see you want to do,

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and then making yourself make the decisions
to get there is very difficult. I

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see. I don't have any trouble
seeing Mike Sean as a salesman. I

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don't. I mean, yeah,
but you didn't know he's kindergarten. I

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didn't know I kindergarten. But like
the time that I've done him so like

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the last three three plus years.
He's tall, Yeah, he is good

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looking. Uh, he has very
noticeable eyes. Yeah, his eyes are

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you know, and and he is
just a king of making eye contact yeah,

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yeah, yeah. And he's very
charismatic and yeah he's very relatable.

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But like, uh, like,
I think a lot of it comes down

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to like your interests or what you're
good at, and the things you just

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described are just as good as an
actor, right, the actor or a

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comedian. Him and I used to
write like comedy skits together in high school

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and shit, yeah you know,
so like I just h or even his

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brother's brother's my best friend. He
works in like politics, we just never

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like put that on him in high
school. Yeah, like both of them

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are goofy kids are funny. We're
all kind of the class clowns. And

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I didn't know what I would be
either. I would never probably put in

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this world, although I liked clothes
and yeah I like basketball too, I'd

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probably say it would be a basketball
coach, you know, like you just

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never know. So yeah, how
much of that is lined up? How

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much of that is based on your
decisions? What is a gut decision?

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00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:15.000
I can like factor in my brain. I don't know about gut decisions because

389
00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:18.079
I don't even know if I have
a good gut or not. But like,

390
00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:23.240
because guts sometimes too, I think
fools, at least me, I

391
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:30.640
can only speak on my perspective because
gut feeling is always what would be like

392
00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:34.240
comfortable right for me? Right?
Yeah, A lot of if I make

393
00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:40.200
a big decision or a decision that
makes me feel not good, it's probably

394
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:44.000
because it's hard doesn't necessarily mean it's
wrong, right, Like going out of

395
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:47.680
my way to do something that's hard
doesn't always feel good because everyone does.

396
00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:52.599
Say. That's where I get so
caught up in like entrepreneur, Instagram and

397
00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:56.200
shit, And I listen to a
lot of podcasts about business and just like

398
00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:59.720
I talk shit on doctors sucking,
there's just as many content creators that suck,

399
00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:03.039
and there's just so many entrepreneurs that
suck. Some people could be worth

400
00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:06.559
there could be three guys worth a
billion, and only one like has a

401
00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:10.920
recipe to make a billion another like
got there, which again may lead to

402
00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:14.519
this no free will shit or not? But or luck? You know,

403
00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:18.319
people throw on luck or karma,
all these terms. There's always two people

404
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:21.920
arguing both sides. Yeah, you
know. And so if you argue,

405
00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:25.960
like some people say, always follow
your gut and then always people say,

406
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:29.519
oh no, always make the hard
decision or whatever, and those often aren't

407
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:32.559
the same. And I don't necessarily
know one's right or wrong, because you

408
00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:36.359
don't want to make all the wrong
all the decisions that make you uncomfortable,

409
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:40.240
right, because that could lead you
down to a very dark path. Yeah,

410
00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:41.440
who knows you're gonna be a criminal, or who knows what right?

411
00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:45.400
Right? Right? But then on
what you're uncomfortable with, I guess,

412
00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:48.039
yeah, yeah, right, but
you know what I mean, or like

413
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:51.039
what makes you feel weird? But
then you follow your gut on everything.

414
00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:55.160
I'm gonna be driving through McDonald's drive
through every morning, right exactly, and

415
00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:57.519
playing video games all day. Yeah, you know, so like I don't,

416
00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:04.240
I don't necessarily know, And I
think the bigger like an applicable question

417
00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:08.960
is like how many again this just
because I isolate or try to isolate,

418
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:12.359
like my brain from what it does
and who I am? How many decisions

419
00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:19.240
do you think about making versus just
making that I think is more important.

420
00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:22.559
I think I think about most of
them, really, yeah, or which

421
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:26.039
is why I'm balled up all the
time. Or maybe you're just looking at

422
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:30.559
the like the the macro. So
if you look at the micro we step

423
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:33.359
in our car, like I don't, I don't think about that, right,

424
00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:37.400
Yeah, but those maybe matt matter
just as much in this butterfly ripple

425
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:38.640
effect. Like every day, Yeah, I didn't even think about getting ready

426
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:42.599
or riding my bike here, you
just did it, especially just because it's

427
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:45.440
been two months I haven't had a
car. Here we're back at the you

428
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:48.319
know, two months ago. I
think about am I going to drive the

429
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:49.680
day? Or am I going to
bike today? Right? And so like

430
00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:56.039
in this butterfly effect of free will, all these micros may add up to

431
00:29:56.079 --> 00:30:00.680
the macro decisions. Yeah, that
makes sense, looking at like back like

432
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:10.680
career wise, like my first career
job, I was somebody's assistant and that

433
00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:18.359
person had a strong personality and relied
on me a lot and gave me a

434
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:23.119
lot of positive feedback. And then
kind of the next career job I had,

435
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:30.880
I worked for someone who was an
ass but not one hundred percent of

436
00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:34.160
the time. But like the their
asked us was so much worse than their

437
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:37.720
then then their good was good.
Yeah, scale was still tips. Yeah,

438
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:41.039
and this scale was still tip.
I mean that was like a year

439
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:42.599
and a half and then fuck you, I I can't deal with you anymore.

440
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:52.279
And then and then after that,
the first year or so of the

441
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:56.799
next job that I had, I
had these job jobs. These are like

442
00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:59.839
career jobs. Career job, yeah, like adult job, career adult jobs

443
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:03.799
working on taco bell. Yeah.
After that, it took like a year

444
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:10.920
year and a half to develop a
relationship with somebody who was you know,

445
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:14.920
kind of a leader type who needed
needed the kind of support that I could

446
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:21.240
give, but was also very good
at doling out you know, praise and

447
00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:25.720
like and sincerely saying gees, I
couldn't do this particular thing if I didn't

448
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:30.599
have your help. Whatever, Yeah, when that was over, I was

449
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:36.039
consulting for a while, and that
was not quite a while. And that's

450
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:37.680
not the same thing at all.
You kind of have to be the leader

451
00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:42.880
in what you're doing, and it's
entrepreneury. I could have been more successful

452
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:45.839
if I was more outgoing, but
I also had a lot of stuff going

453
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:51.319
on outside of that that kind of
held me back. Like if I actually

454
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:53.440
succeeded this, then I'm not going
to be able to do the other things

455
00:31:53.440 --> 00:32:00.279
that I'm that I'm like responsible for
in the same way. And then you

456
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:08.839
know, the fucking twelve thirteen years
of st Like I don't think I mean,

457
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:14.000
I'm not gonna be mos for a
second here. I don't think that

458
00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:15.799
that all would have happened the way
it happened had it not been for me.

459
00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:20.279
Yeah for sure. But yeah,
you're the core of the media from

460
00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:23.799
day one. But the you and
and and yeah, see that's where like

461
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:27.799
free will gets weird too, Like
did you get lucky? Like obviously you

462
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:30.480
put in the work to do that
stuff. Yeah, I always consider my

463
00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:32.799
career lucky because like, you put
me on YouTube, you put me on

464
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:37.039
podcasts. But what if those weren't
cool? Right? That was out of

465
00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:38.720
But if it didn't work, yeah, like you're like, oh my god,

466
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:42.000
like let's put you on cam Okay, but then yeah, what if

467
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:45.039
YouTube never grew right, what if
it was uh be real or some others

468
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:50.400
you know, social media that just
flopped right exactly, then we all lose

469
00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:52.160
my Space, right yeah, yeah, even MySpace he had like a little

470
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:55.000
five year run, right yeah.
But you know, because then then we

471
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:57.920
don't mean bar it. We don't
mean you know, some of my best

472
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:00.799
friends. We don't mean omar.
We obviously don't have the resources to build

473
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:04.400
all this, so like some of
that, that's where I see the bigger

474
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:07.640
picture of the universe's free will out
of our control. Yeah, you know,

475
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:14.759
yeah for sure, and powerlifting becoming
cool like all that has. Did

476
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:16.720
we play a role? Maybe?
Yeah? I think so? Yeah,

477
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:20.279
I think, I mean, immodestly, Yeah, I don't. I mean,

478
00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:27.079
there is no point in diminishing what
we accomplished. Really, even if

479
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:30.759
I'm on you know, like going
back to the point, then the appreciation

480
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:35.519
wasn't really there in the same way
that I was that I had experienced it

481
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:39.759
before and and kind of needed it
before, and so I was always like

482
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:45.720
in turmoil over it because it's like, why am I doing this? Because

483
00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:51.839
the feedback from the person that I'm
supporting is that isn't what I'm looking for.

484
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:55.880
And at some point, the feed
the positive feedback started coming from audience,

485
00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:00.079
you know, the Internet, which
is the yeah, the dangerous loop

486
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:05.759
we're in now with creators, right
exactly exactly. People start are chasing audience

487
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:08.760
when the reality of audience is that, you know, it's not the same

488
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:14.840
audience for you know, even three
years Yeah, yeah, well and a

489
00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:17.760
lot of the time. And who's
to like say that they're like a good

490
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:22.079
judge, right, all right,
because now content and we've talked about it

491
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:25.400
eight years ago when people started lighting
their hair on fire and doing backflips and

492
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:30.920
deadloafts, like you're just going to
chase attention, and attention comes to crazy

493
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:34.480
yeah, right, Murderers get attention, yeah exactly, you know, like

494
00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:37.840
crazy shit gets attention, not always
like good people get attention. People doing

495
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:43.159
good work don't always get attention.
And a lot of that, to me,

496
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.719
lies on the phrase you just says, like what you were looking for,

497
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:47.920
because so much depends on that,
Like entrepreneur world, you don't really

498
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:52.360
get that, like you have to
patch yourself on the back or you have

499
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:57.440
to be okay with just like running. And I think maybe I in some

500
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:00.960
senses, I am built to be
an entrepreneur. Like sports, I was

501
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.719
lucky enough to have a really dope
coach and like everyone just wanted to play

502
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:06.039
for him, which was cool,
and like that's the key to a really

503
00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:07.880
good team, right, you have
one leader and everyone wants to do good

504
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:12.679
for them, and then you want
to do good for us. But like

505
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:16.880
on my own own, it's like
love languages or whatever, you know,

506
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:22.679
all the fucking like, how you
receive your appreciation can look very different.

507
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:24.400
It could be monetarily, it could
just be a high five. It could

508
00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:28.559
be verbal, it could be spending
time, it could be buying you a

509
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:35.599
cake on birthday or whatever. And
romantically maybe different than business wise. I

510
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:37.519
don't even know what my business wise. Mine is just like success business wise.

511
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:40.679
So yeah, in similar situations,
like if I'm not getting paid,

512
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:43.519
then I feel like, oh,
then I'm not doing a good job.

513
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:46.880
But then an entrepreneur world, that
happens too. Yeah, Now you can

514
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:51.199
work forever not get paid, not
get paid. It doesn't mean you're not

515
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:52.840
doing the right things, or it
could be feedback that you're not doing the

516
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:59.039
right things. That's where this entrepreneur
content creation blows me up, you know,

517
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:04.519
like some guys say, oh,
I think Hormosi most famously says in

518
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:07.440
business, it's it's not what you're
not doing, you're not doing the things

519
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:12.760
you are doing long enough. Yeah, right, because that's where you get

520
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.519
lost in running your own ship.
You get lost in like, am I

521
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:20.280
doing Is there something I'm not doing
X? To market, to sell,

522
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:23.119
to give members to whatever? Or
do you just have to chug through the

523
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:28.480
pieces that you do have? And
I think in a team or in a

524
00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:30.840
job, it could be similar,
right, like all right, am I

525
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:34.400
not getting feedback because I'm not doing
it? Or am I not getting feedback

526
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:37.000
as my boss fucking sucks? Am
I doing the wrong thing? Or am

527
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:38.519
I not doing the right thing?
Long enough? Like, there's just so

528
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:43.280
many X factors that sometimes it feels
good to not have free will and just

529
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:47.679
say like all right, yeah,
some people are some people maybe the work

530
00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:52.920
to live, live to work,
yeah people, you know, but some

531
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:57.119
people can't tolerate that. They can't
tolerate just you know, doing a drone

532
00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:00.480
job and then having a life outside
of it. This morning. Interesting,

533
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:02.519
Yeah, so much of it seems
American, you know, I don't know

534
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:07.760
besides Argentina, but you hear in
Europe, you hear all these other places.

535
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:09.760
Like I don't even think like conversations
like that even happen. Maybe not,

536
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:12.960
you know what I mean? Because
you have your job and it's like

537
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:15.400
a part of your life, but
you only do it in a couple hours.

538
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:17.880
And yeah, how do you do
a job you don't enjoy for just

539
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:22.039
the money? And that's I think
I could do that because I think that's

540
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:24.840
where me and Barter are on the
same page at least. Like everyone that

541
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:27.800
says like, do what you love
and you won't work a day in your

542
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:30.960
life, I think it's. Yeah, so in that sense that I think

543
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:35.519
all of us are doing jobs that
we don't necessarily you can like have like

544
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:38.199
an underlying like passion for, but
doesn't mean you love it. It doesn't

545
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:43.719
mean you're gonna be stoked on it, and doesn't mean so it's different than

546
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:45.639
a job you hate. Yeah,
for sure. You know, if you're

547
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:50.800
fucking allergic to bees and you're a
honeymaker, like, yeah, that's probably

548
00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:55.119
a different conversation than just doing shit
you don't like to do, and maybe

549
00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:58.599
maybe some of that is just how
we're wired too. Maybe some people do

550
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:01.519
love just fucking working. Yeah.
Well, I was thinking about, you

551
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:05.480
know, the famous poem the Road
Not Taken. Yeah, I think so

552
00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:08.119
that guy was never gonna take the
other road. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

553
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:12.000
he was never gonna take the other
road. He's celebrating the fact that

554
00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:14.840
he was never gonna take the other
road. Yeah, And I think that's

555
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:15.800
a lot of us about a lot
of things. I think. Yeah,

556
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:19.679
it's a little matrix c too.
Yeah, start diving into the matrix.

557
00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:22.639
All this kind of ripples in how
much is laid out for us, how

558
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:27.320
much of is planned? Are we
just fucking NPCs stumping around? And then

559
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:30.440
yeah, how much can you just
wake up and just like change, Hey,

560
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:34.079
I'm just not gonna eat fucking meat
today and just fucking stop. But

561
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:37.960
then it goes back to if you
you have to have that in your makeup

562
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:40.480
maybe to be able to change.
Yeah. Maybe, yeah, maybe I

563
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:45.119
was supposed to not eat meat when
I'm forty or who knows what the chapters

564
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:50.119
are written out. Yeah, the
people who, I think go back to

565
00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:55.239
substance use and abuse stuff. When
people just cannot pull out of the cycle.

566
00:38:55.400 --> 00:39:00.679
Yeah, and they like know what
they're doing and they still can't pull

567
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:05.320
out of the cycle. Yeah.
I mean that would be the general analogy

568
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:08.760
for no free will everywhere, right, just there's no substance. Yeah,

569
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:12.519
you have no control. You're gonna
do what you're gonna do. Yeah.

570
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:15.239
Yeah, I don't know. It
would be interesting to chat with that guy

571
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:19.199
and see if he has some deeper
markers on how or why. Yeah,

572
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:22.960
it's a pretty long article. I
just I kind of skimmed it. It

573
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:25.159
was. It just struck me that
it was in the paper this morning.

574
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:30.599
It's like what Yeah, but I
mean obviously long term debate. But again,

575
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:32.800
like I said, it's usually mathematicians
who tell us that the math of

576
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:37.480
the universe is pretty yeah constant,
or even philosophers, right, because philosophy

577
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:40.119
is the idea of thoughts. So
you can just fucking say and do whatever.

578
00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:45.800
But you can do a neurologist,
but that person studying the brain,

579
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:50.360
and if you have any kind of
spirituality in you, you probably believe that

580
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:52.280
you are not your brain, which
would argue against this guy. And he

581
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:58.039
can't really argue against that, right, because the soul, spirit, whatever

582
00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:00.519
you want to call it. You
can't define, and you can't control,

583
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:05.719
and you can't really like study per
se. So then your argument, his

584
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:08.480
argument always has to go to philosophy. Yeah, and you can never win

585
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:12.559
a philosophical argument, really, Yeah, that's the point of it all.

586
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:16.280
Tried to win a philosophical argument with
a neurologist right now, like this,

587
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:20.519
this test that he said I should
do, I can't do it for six

588
00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:23.960
months. I was like, that's
a long long time for a diagnostic test.

589
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:27.239
And I got offered another place to
say, yeah, we can do

590
00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:30.159
it like a lot sooner, just
have it redirected to us. He's just

591
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:31.000
busy or something. What do you
mean in six months? Or that has

592
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:34.320
to do with the test, has
to do with the test, it's the

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I mean the the there's a unit
within neurology that does these tests. But

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what I find out is that there's
also a unit in physical medicine that does

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these tests and is busy. His
bias well, yeah, they're just busy,

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just underresourced or whatever. And his
bias was yeah, but they don't

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know how to read it as well
as neurology does, so maybe they'll miss

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something and say, yeah, but
six months is still a really long time

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to wait for something very philosophical,
like, you know, like I'm willing

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to say let him miss something because
it might not be that important. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah yeah, And who
knows. I think doctors are just

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like anyone else, Like powerlifters hate
strong men and strong men hate weightlifting.

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Yeah, body, silent mentality,
yeah yeah. Whoever thinks they're fucking smarter

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or better? Yeah. I think
that's all I have on this topic.

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