Do we have free will? What if all our decisions are foregone conclusions?

0:08 Okay, I just gotta THHC legally highest THHC Seltzer from New Jersey wanting to work together. Oh that's not the type of content I typically dive into. However, to shotgun a couple of these on a podcast but takes might get a little weird. Yeah, I don't know, man, I could be down for that. It seems so scary as long as actually I mean I could. I don't think I would shotgun them, and I don't and it would be hard on a podcast. I don't know. So my my thhg C experience in my life is, uh, this is revelatory, like in high school and college whatever, you know. Yeah, weed was not that strong back then, is what they say. I mean it really, I mean California more so, I think than some places. Yeah, imagine imagine whatever that isn't in fucking Tennessee. Yeah, the fifties, Yeah, I mean, ditchweed here was probably higher than ditchweed some other place, but it was more of a hashish kind of situation. Yeah, and because it was super cost effective for one thing, like it seemed expensive but like you could break off a little bit and you know, you would not need a whole lot and whatever. Yeah, that generation probably invented like the spliff and stuff.

1:38 I saw a documentary on like jazz music. Yeah, basically I guess revolutionizing the marijuana industry in many a way and then being in northern California exactly, so I think this came from Afghanistan, though strangely enough the Afghan blonde. I have heard of Afghans. So yeah, and then I got to be about twenty two and just all that stuff made me super paranoid and I just had to stop altogether. Not that I was like any kind of a heavy user, you know, right, but I mean I stopped drinking around twenty three. Yeah, similar reasons, super paranoid. And then as I have gotten older and having had more trouble with sleep, and gummies are legal in California, and so yeah, that's what does But I never and when I'm awake, only when I'm asleep. So that's what looks crazy on here is I mean, I'm just clicking on their Instagram, but it looks like it's a high level THHD drink, which obviously they have all over but it's just in a convenience store. It's in a regular market in New Jersey.

2:47 Interesting. Yeah, like they have a stand on the corner of like a frozen aisle. That's crazy. And when I was a kid, when I was in high school, I guess they test marketed. Heissert Bush test marketed a drink called Chelsea that if they hadn't said that it had any alcohol in it, you would have thought that or you would have just looked at the label and said, oh, it doesn't really have much more alcohol than a regular soda has in the in the in the manufacturing process or whatever. It's like really really like half a percent. Yeah, and uh, Anyway, there was such a backlash against it that they pulled it off the market.

3:32 They just test marketed, and like where I lived was one of the places they test marketed. What was the point It was just a soda. Yeah, yeah, basically just a soda, but like that that it was like a little bit forbidden me because it said it had a little bit of alcohol in it, but it had almost done. That's weird because I mean that's basically what a seltzer is, right, and those are popping off. Yeah, like they call them like a you know, like a I don't even know what the techniquely I guess they just call them a seltzer, but they're all just sodas with like a hair alcohol and Trulley's and what do the hell's people drink? But the deal is like you didn't have to be twenty one to buy them. Oh yeah, because of the legal because it was yeah, it was illegal amount. Yeah. I don't know. It was delicious and I wish it would come back somewhere. It was really good, kind of kind of like Ginger Ale but a little more tart maybe, you know, I mean Ginger's good. Ginger is delicious anyway, Yeah, just like backlash against that. So I'm surprised they're able to sell it in like a Reglar store. Yeah, I mean, maybe it's just marketing. I mean all they dm me. I don't want to put these guys on blast, but they literally just said let's work and then a handshake emoji handshake emoji.

4:36 Yeah yeah, just so the let's work move. I wonder if they follow a bunch of people, No, they don't follow me. If you've got a if you guys have thoughts about this and just throw them in the discord, yeah, uh yeah, it could just be marketing whites out in the middle of nowur there has been a bunch of drinks that have like tried to do shit like this. Mm hmm. Like I remember growing up in high school was kind of the energy drink revolution, you know, Red Bull and all that's popping off, and there wasn't that many. It was just kind of Red Bull and rock Star. But then they did have Bob Marley drink and it had like you know, it's called the fucking it's like the opposite of an energy drink, like Bob Marley on the cover, but maybe CBD but maybe something else. And then it had like melatonin I think in it.

5:21 Okay, you know, so yeah we're gonna drink sleepy. Yeah, if you're gonna drink a soda with melatonin, and yeah, you're probably gonna vibe a little bit. But there's just no way it had pot in it in the you know, early two thousands. Even this sixty milligrams, that's a lot. I mean that's probably for the whole So, I don't know, people are crazy. You start listening to what's his name, Joey Coco, Uncle Joey the comedian, Oh yeah, Joey Dias. Yeah, that to be taken like yeah, three hundred milligrams or something like just asking for death. Yeah, it is funny. Yeah, I don't know, this is crazy. It's just in a market. It's in a liquor store. So every states are obviously so different, like, yeah, most states have liquor stores. Yeah, California, we have them, but we don't need them. We have liquor stores, but they're not there's a lot of state run liquor stores in different I think most states are are must like Ohio.

6:15 I think even Oregon you can't buy like tequila at a store. Yeah, all hard alcohol you have to buy a liquor store. Yeah. Canada is like that too, I think a lot of them Midway some of the provinces at least. Yeah, and then you can't buy it past like like eight pm weekdays or something at six pm Sundays, like you just can't find it, which obviously you know living here on Sundays and yea, yeah, I think it's six pm. They close it all liquor stores. And sometimes you can get beer certain places, but yeah, I mean my two vibing in Vegas and here you can buy even here, right, you can buy alcohol till two am at CBS if it's open. Yeah, you can buy whatever bottle, which is just kind of weird because I think the rest of the nation ain't used to it. I think I said that before that the guy who owned the airbnb, one of the airbnbs that we stayed in London, had a CBD company, CBD drink company. Yeah, they tasted fine, but I didn't really notice anything from them, And I've come to understand since then that like CBD has a synergistic effect with THHC. Obviously they come from the derived from the same kind of a world of plant, but if you put them together, they do something different than they do alone. So I get that. I get that. Yeah, I don't know. Has the CBD train has kind of slowed down? Yeah, On the internet, there was a fucking punch there for about four or five years where everyone sponsored by CBD company, everyone had a CBD company. Everyone's slamming CBD like it's a goddamn miracle drug. Where are those guys? Now? You ain't getting paid

7:46 for CBD, You guys aren't. I don't see you guys posting about it. That's odd. Yeah, UK, they don't have they don't have legal weeds, So yeah, they lean heavy, heavily into the CBD. I mean even here, right, less than half the states it's legal. No, I think it's more than half of You're thirty thirty thirty one something like that, either combination of recreational and medicinal. Yeah, medicinal I don't really count. Yeah, I'm looking meth as legal medicinally, you know, like you're getting the crazy drugs on the planet medicinally. Yeah. Well, yeah, if you have ADHD you can get so well, if you have any if you have any issue and the doctor writes it for you, I mean, pot's the same. Yeah. I don't count that because that's everything, and then they'll give you oxy coding and whatever. The fuck. It's harder to get now for those drugs. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure it depends on your doctor. Oxy's a lot harder to get now, depending upon you know where your where your doctor is. Whatever. My point is, POT being legal by a doctor doesn't really count. Yeah. The other thing they're doing now is with with oxyes and stuff like that. Is that like if you have a surgery where they give you like X number of days of it without any refills. Yeah, well, yeah, I mean that makes sense.

8:58 But I don't know. I don't know if the refills are always issue. Like obviously, the longer you're on it, I'm no expert in this category by any means, but the longer you're on it, the more addicted you're probably gonna get. But if you're on it, you're gonna go and you get addicted, you're gonna go find it on your own. Yeah, right, it doesn't really matter if the doctor is given it to you or no. That's the whole idea of the black market or even just street drugs or people finding a way or shitty doctors or millions of different ways. I have perhaps either the one of the best or worst topics ever that we've we've ever discussed on this program, yeah, or any program in which we have participated together, which there are a total of four. Now, I think who is the more who is the judge whether it's the worst, best or the worst? Like category what Some people think it's the best and some think it's the worst. This is gonna be This is gonna be divisive. I think it's pretty divisive. It is not specifically a fitness topic, but in a way it is. Okay, So I this hit me this morning.

10:01 This is from the La Times and the headline is this scientist, after decades of study, we don't have free will. Oh shit. Yeah. And you usually hear this from mathematicians where they tell you that everything is like the math works out and everything and it just is going to happen the way it's going to happen, and there's like no decision that you can make that's going to keep something from happening that was gonna happen anyway. I kind of get that. So this guy's written a book. His name is he's a Stanford University neurobiologist. His name is Robert Sepolski. And somewhere in here is the name of the book, but I can't find it at the moment. But he says, we've got no free will. Stop attributing stuff to us that isn't there, he said. MacArthur genius Grant Winner is extremely aware of his out there position. Most neuroscientists believe humans have at least some degree of free will. So to most philosophers and the vast majority of general the general population.

11:11 Free will is essential to how we see ourselves feeling, the satisfaction of achievement or the shame of failing to do the right thing. Saying that people have no free will is a great way to start an argument, which is probably why we're going to talk about it. He says, this okay, analyzing human behavior through the lens that this is just from the article. Analyzing human behavior through the lens of any single discipline leaves room for possibility that people choose their actions, he says, but after a long cross disciplinary career, he feels that it's intellectually just on us to write anything other than what he sees as the unavoidable conclusion free will is the myth, and the sooner we accept that, the more society, more just our society will be. He's basically saying that all of us are influenced by the situation that we've grown up in what our biology is. Yeah, I've heard of these arguments, all of that, and so when it comes down to decision making, all of that stuff just pushes us in the direction of whatever decision we're going to make.

12:24 Yeah, I've taken a lot of psych before I dropped out, and you know, the nature versus nurture conversation and what percentage on the spectrum most humans sit into that obviously, this just takes an extreme one that goes beyond right, So you're treated a certain way from age five to six or sorry, one to six or whatever, then its situations arrive in your life. You're so programmed that your reaction or action to environment two situation two X is already quote unquote planned out. I think that argument's just tough because I think you could probably throw one there's a trillion variables, and then two you could throw kids in the exact same situation. And this is like the most top level. So I mean, this guy's a neurologist, a fucking Stanford.

13:11 I'm a meathead. But the top levels situation you see often, right, it's a kid grows up in like an alcoholic house, one kid becomes an alcoholic, one kid has never touched alcohol in his life, right, right, And so obviously there's other variables within that is that parents violent, and each situation is so unique that there's a million variables, but it would just be I actually tend to agree with this guy, although I'm playing Devil's Afka right now. I tend to agree more that the spectrum is is further away than we think, and people argue it, because then who are we? What are we? Who am I? Right, you start to go into existential crisis if you don't think you're in control of your life. But that's kind of the beauty of peace, you know, enlightenment if you're trying to find it or digging deep into yourself, is that you control a lot less than you think. So just kind of grab on and go on the ride.

14:01 Yeah. Yeah, it is frustrating to think of yourself potentially as just a drone who's going to do what they're going to do. And the extent to which we all fret over decision making, right like, is that entirely wasted time? I mean, how often do you make a decision about something that goes against what your gut initially told you you should do in the first seconds that you began to contemplate it or even deeper, right like, what is our gut? And then say, we contemplate our gut, but the decisions already laid out with it or against it? Right? Yeah, against our will obviously, Yeah, even on the base level. Psych I've done you know, therapy for decades now our brain, you know, and a lot of therapists are psychiatrists. Think of this similarly, and I bet philosophers might dig in and it can like border the line with religions. So that's where this you know, gets real murky, but that you're you know, and I think of it this way as well as like I am who I am is like kind of my soul. Maybe over here and maybe Western world always attaches our soul to like our brain, but those aren't the same thing.

15:13 Obviously, if our brain dies, we die, but or as we know, we die as we know, but our brains I often think about with my own issues and other people that i'm you know, interacting with life, is that your brain is programmed, and a lot of that is through how we're grown up, and so it has like a default program. And if anyone's done basic coding, which I haven't gone advance, but I did some basic ass coding in high school, if a happens, B will happen and it will trigger Z. And so your brain does do that, like and I notice it all the time. The reason I don't necessarily think that everything's set out for me is because I've had moments where I've stepped away, like okay, my brain is doing that, Like this has happened because X y Z's happened in my past, and I remember I reacted this way.

15:56 So I'm gonna take a step back, semi out of body experience, and I'm seeing that my brain is running this program. My brain is having these thoughts, my brain is doing this, My brain is already on this roller coaster trigger and not stopping. But I'm I'm going to decide to you know, switch the little train path and stop that program going, or or kind of the like the most basic one is like you get insulted on the internet and then your brain goes on it or in real life, or something negative happens in real life, and now your brain's going on this deep roller coaster like am I getting after? Am I? You have all these thoughts, but those thoughts and that program isn't who you are. They're kind of like running on their own. Yeah, And that's where I see some of this and psychs. You know, a lot of therapists go through different like exercises and tools to kind of derail that or think about that, or walk yourself out of those thoughts to see how much of it is real. Yeah, because a lot of it's not a lot of it's just your brain fucking saying shit or running forever. Yeah, he says, we know we make worse decisions when we're hungry, stressed, or scared. We know our physical makeup is influenced by the genes inherited from distant ancestors and our mother's health during pregnancy, which is a bigger thing than most people consider. Yeah, talk about abundant evidence indicates that people who grew up in home was marked by chaos and deprivation will perceive the world differently and make different choices than people raised in safe, stable, resource rich environments. Yeah. I mean, I believe all that. I just don't know if it's worked totally on cruise control. I don't know either, But and I think that it's there's the potential that this

17:26 theory says that that stuff will change over time as you experience different things. And then I guess the X factor is, like, is then is the universe on cruise control? Yeah? And that's what the mathematicians tell us, right, So the whole thing is just that's more where I sit, like, I think I'm maybe, you know, sixty seven percent sentient and having some fucking choices or fifty or whatever. But if the universe is on cruise control, that's where I was gonna talking about, like enlightenment, and it probably is, you know, like whether you want to believe that it's set in stone or we can change it or not, the universe is on a path that we can't control, and so you just kind of hands off, Yeah, because it's so there's so much, so many factors and so many things that are out of our control in this world, which is obviously very relevant to what's going on in today's age. Like just do what you can do. But but if you can't fix it or change it, yeah, yeah, Yeah. I'm not saying try not don't try to do good or don't try to help, but if we're stressing over things we have no control over. So a thing that he that he's an argument he makes here that I have some trouble with, is that like if somebody does a mass shooting, we treat them as you know, a terrible criminal, or we treat

18:57 them as someone who's mentally ill or whatever, but we don't treat them as if they were just destined to do that. Although some in the same way, he's arguing that that we should look at them the same way that we look at somebody who had a heart attack. Some I don't think the public do. But isn't there some laws that do though? Yeah? And for sure, Yeah, like the law is kind of set up that way, like oh they were crazy, yeah, or they're give them ten years or go give them a hopefully treatment. Yeah. I mean if this guy's right, like he's destroying like twenty industries, yeah, you know what I mean, Like like therapy's out because it can't change nothing. Fitness is out.

19:40 Yeah, a lot of and and so that's where I do semi agree. That's why I do think we're probably you know, seventy percent robots because and even me, you know, my whole family's pretty large, and I was raised with you know, great family. But like eating habits were not taught and they're and what's the right way to be taught when you're eight, Right, you can go too strict. You're just gonna feed your kids ground turkey veggies. Like that's not it either. No one has the answer is part of the issue of all psychology. There's no rule book. But I do believe that people's brains are more and some people blame it on hormones, gramarlin and all these things like what or grellin what when you can say no, you don't know what full feels like. You don't know what satiated feels like.

20:22 You don't know all these factors. I do think that plays a role. But we've seen it time and time again. People go from insanely unhealthy lifestyle is too healthy. So it has to be possible somewhere. And again the programming, say we are one hundred percent on autopilot, is more complicated than any computer that's ever been on earth. So maybe, yeah, there's that one percent factor that if xyz Domino's fall, then that person will stop eating McDonald's. Is possible. It is interesting in fitness, it is. But yeah, because we are all entirely enchanted by like transformation stories, right, yeah, and but the real trick of transformation is sticking with it.

21:08 Yeah, and and people falling out of that and back into old habits and stuff. Sort of an argument for yeah or no, free will, like you ultimately end up in the same place regardless of what decisions you make. And because I do semi believe that there's been like transformations, I don't mean to rag on this guy because he's really popular. I don't even know his name. But like there's been like trainers and a couple I can think about in particular, not friends, but just internet folk out of like, uh, they're all jacked, probably on steroids, and then they get fat on purpose to prove a point. Then they get hell of skinny, right, and they do it with their clients like oh I can get up to three hundred pounds and back to two twenty. Yeah, yeah, all those there's multiple but like, well, yeah, one because you have the tools too, because you're probably not built to be like a fat kid. And we've joked about it for years, like having a fat kid mentality, or like I always say I'm fat, and I don't necessarily mean by like my body fat percentage, but like by my habits and how my brain works. I'm fat, you know, Like I'm stressed, I'm tired, I'm anything.

22:07 I just want to go get ice cream, you know. Or like there's a whole box of cheese it's in front of me. I can't have a serving. I'm going to eat the whole box of cheese. It's like there are things like that that are Yeah, you want to call it addictive. You want to call it cruise control, you want to call it no free will, whatever the hell you want to call it. That that are so strong that I have had times I fuel them like a drug addiction, you know, and I know a lot of people are straight up addicted to food. Whatever that means, right, Because you when we're looking at conversations like this, every definition or example we have is like almost meaningless or like become so small. Right, this is like the overarching what is life? What is the meaning of life? Question? So all these other examples because if that is true, then addiction is in a thing, right right, So like that's why it's like backtracking on my own sentences, because yeah, it's not addiction, it's just the behavior that you're programming. Discipline is not thing.

23:00 It's not a word. All these words are once we open this door, you know, Pandora's box. Yeah, all these words literally lose meaning. Discipline is not a thing. Addiction is not a thing. Yeah, hard works not a thing. These are meaningless words, yeah, exactly. And I think that the people who who do successfully make a change, they are able to do it because that was part of their makeup as well, right, they're supposed to do it when they reach thirty because they get their first heart palpitation, right, whatever the fuck, Like that just happens, and it is true. But I think for this neuro scientist who's probably twenty times smarter than me, maybe one hundred times, that's still even with his knowledge. And I don't even know this guy, he could be an idiot.

23:47 But let's give him the benefit of doubt, because there's dumb doctors out there, people, and there's dumb people that get fucking New York Times, and there's dumb people everywhere. That's one issue. But let's say he's the smartest motherfucker on the planet, there's still too many factors for him to straight up say yes or no. I would think that that's the case, although I tend to agree with them. Yeah, okay, let's take another another perspective, like maybe a little bit more historical perspective on our on our own lives, Like we've been traveling together for at least twelve years, yeah, twenty eleven, Yeah, And and I mean that's that's one slice of time.

24:29 And then like your whole life slice of time, and you think about the things that you've been involved with and things that you know, jobs you've had, or or quote decisions you've made or whatever, and how many times have you made decisions that were inconsistent with your basic character? Yeah? Yeah, we'll start maybe by dumb it down. My little bro, myke Sean stop by the other day and we were just talking about a bunch of ship, but then we ended up talking about as kids because I've known him since he was in kindergarten. Because now he works for Cold Plunge, you know, he's one of the lead salesmen there. And he said, he's like, Dude, if you told me I'm gonna grow up and be a salesman, I would say no, there's just no fucking way. Yeah. And he's like, and if we grew up and said, you're probably gonna podcast and do like apparel and stuff like maybe, And I was like, yeah, I I never even thought about my shit, you know. But he's a lot like me, so he would probably see himself more in this yeah world, although he works for a small ish company or an internet company, so he does get the creator side and the entrepreneur side, I think.

25:36 But yeah, even that alone, like what you see yourself as? And then what you see yourself become can be so different, maybe based on this guy's truths. Yeah right, because what you see you want to do, and then making yourself make the decisions to get there is very difficult. I see. I don't have any trouble seeing Mike Sean as a salesman. I don't. I mean, yeah, but you didn't know he's kindergarten. I didn't know I kindergarten. But like the time that I've done him so like the last three three plus years. He's tall, Yeah, he is good looking. Uh, he has very noticeable eyes. Yeah, his eyes are you know, and and he is just a king of making eye contact yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's very charismatic and yeah he's very relatable.

26:27 But like, uh, like, I think a lot of it comes down to like your interests or what you're good at, and the things you just described are just as good as an actor, right, the actor or a comedian. Him and I used to write like comedy skits together in high school and shit, yeah you know, so like I just h or even his brother's brother's my best friend. He works in like politics, we just never like put that on him in high school. Yeah, like both of them are goofy kids are funny. We're all kind of the class clowns. And I didn't know what I would be either. I would never probably put in this world, although I liked clothes and yeah I like basketball too, I'd probably say it would be a basketball coach, you know, like you just never know. So yeah, how much of that is lined up? How much of that is based on your decisions? What is a gut decision?

27:11 I can like factor in my brain. I don't know about gut decisions because I don't even know if I have a good gut or not. But like, because guts sometimes too, I think fools, at least me, I can only speak on my perspective because gut feeling is always what would be like comfortable right for me? Right? Yeah, A lot of if I make a big decision or a decision that makes me feel not good, it's probably because it's hard doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong, right, Like going out of my way to do something that's hard doesn't always feel good because everyone does. Say. That's where I get so caught up in like entrepreneur, Instagram and shit, And I listen to a lot of podcasts about business and just like I talk shit on doctors sucking, there's just as many content creators that suck, and there's just so many entrepreneurs that suck. Some people could be worth there could be three guys worth a billion, and only one like has a recipe to make a billion another like got there, which again may lead to this no free will shit or not? But or luck? You know, people throw on luck or karma, all these terms. There's always two people arguing both sides. Yeah, you know. And so if you argue, like some people say, always follow your gut and then always people say, oh no, always make the hard decision or whatever, and those often aren't the same. And I don't necessarily know one's right or wrong, because you don't want to make all the wrong all the decisions that make you uncomfortable, right, because that could lead you down to a very dark path. Yeah, who knows you're gonna be a criminal, or who knows what right?

28:41 Right? Right? But then on what you're uncomfortable with, I guess, yeah, yeah, right, but you know what I mean, or like what makes you feel weird? But then you follow your gut on everything. I'm gonna be driving through McDonald's drive through every morning, right exactly, and playing video games all day. Yeah, you know, so like I don't, I don't necessarily know, And I think the bigger like an applicable question is like how many again this just because I isolate or try to isolate, like my brain from what it does and who I am? How many decisions do you think about making versus just making that I think is more important. I think I think about most of them, really, yeah, or which is why I'm balled up all the time. Or maybe you're just looking at the like the the macro. So if you look at the micro we step in our car, like I don't, I don't think about that, right, Yeah, but those maybe matt matter just as much in this butterfly ripple effect. Like every day, Yeah, I didn't even think about getting ready or riding my bike here, you just did it, especially just because it's been two months I haven't had a car. Here we're back at the you know, two months ago. I think about am I going to drive the day? Or am I going to bike today? Right? And so like in this butterfly effect of free will, all these micros may add up to the macro decisions. Yeah, that makes sense, looking at like back like career wise, like my first career job, I was somebody's assistant and that person had a strong personality and relied on me a lot and gave me a

30:18 lot of positive feedback. And then kind of the next career job I had, I worked for someone who was an ass but not one hundred percent of the time. But like the their asked us was so much worse than their then then their good was good. Yeah, scale was still tips. Yeah, and this scale was still tip. I mean that was like a year and a half and then fuck you, I I can't deal with you anymore. And then and then after that, the first year or so of the next job that I had, I had these job jobs. These are like career jobs. Career job, yeah, like adult job, career adult jobs working on taco bell. Yeah. After that, it took like a year year and a half to develop a relationship with somebody who was you know, kind of a leader type who needed needed the kind of support that I could give, but was also very good at doling out you know, praise and like and sincerely saying gees, I couldn't do this particular thing if I didn't have your help. Whatever, Yeah, when that was over, I was consulting for a while, and that was not quite a while. And that's not the same thing at all. You kind of have to be the leader in what you're doing, and it's entrepreneury. I could have been more successful if I was more outgoing, but I also had a lot of stuff going on outside of that that kind of held me back. Like if I actually

31:51 succeeded this, then I'm not going to be able to do the other things that I'm that I'm like responsible for in the same way. And then you know, the fucking twelve thirteen years of st Like I don't think I mean, I'm not gonna be mos for a second here. I don't think that that all would have happened the way it happened had it not been for me. Yeah for sure. But yeah, you're the core of the media from day one. But the you and and and yeah, see that's where like free will gets weird too, Like did you get lucky? Like obviously you put in the work to do that stuff. Yeah, I always consider my career lucky because like, you put me on YouTube, you put me on podcasts. But what if those weren't cool? Right? That was out of But if it didn't work, yeah, like you're like, oh my god, like let's put you on cam Okay, but then yeah, what if YouTube never grew right, what if it was uh be real or some others you know, social media that just flopped right exactly, then we all lose my Space, right yeah, yeah, even MySpace he had like a little five year run, right yeah. But you know, because then then we don't mean bar it. We don't mean you know, some of my best friends. We don't mean omar. We obviously don't have the resources to build all this, so like some of that, that's where I see the bigger picture of the universe's free will out of our control. Yeah, you know, yeah for sure, and powerlifting becoming cool like all that has. Did we play a role? Maybe? Yeah? I think so? Yeah, I think, I mean, immodestly, Yeah, I don't. I mean, there is no point in diminishing what we accomplished. Really, even if

33:27 I'm on you know, like going back to the point, then the appreciation wasn't really there in the same way that I was that I had experienced it before and and kind of needed it before, and so I was always like in turmoil over it because it's like, why am I doing this? Because the feedback from the person that I'm supporting is that isn't what I'm looking for. And at some point, the feed the positive feedback started coming from audience, you know, the Internet, which is the yeah, the dangerous loop we're in now with creators, right exactly exactly. People start are chasing audience when the reality of audience is that, you know, it's not the same audience for you know, even three years Yeah, yeah, well and a lot of the time. And who's to like say that they're like a good judge, right, all right, because now content and we've talked about it eight years ago when people started lighting their hair on fire and doing backflips and deadloafts, like you're just going to chase attention, and attention comes to crazy yeah, right, Murderers get attention, yeah exactly, you know, like crazy shit gets attention, not always like good people get attention. People doing good work don't always get attention. And a lot of that, to me, lies on the phrase you just says, like what you were looking for, because so much depends on that, Like entrepreneur world, you don't really get that, like you have to patch yourself on the back or you have to be okay with just like running. And I think maybe I in some

34:57 senses, I am built to be an entrepreneur. Like sports, I was lucky enough to have a really dope coach and like everyone just wanted to play for him, which was cool, and like that's the key to a really good team, right, you have one leader and everyone wants to do good for them, and then you want to do good for us. But like on my own own, it's like love languages or whatever, you know, all the fucking like, how you receive your appreciation can look very different. It could be monetarily, it could just be a high five. It could be verbal, it could be spending time, it could be buying you a cake on birthday or whatever. And romantically maybe different than business wise. I don't even know what my business wise. Mine is just like success business wise.

35:38 So yeah, in similar situations, like if I'm not getting paid, then I feel like, oh, then I'm not doing a good job. But then an entrepreneur world, that happens too. Yeah, Now you can work forever not get paid, not get paid. It doesn't mean you're not doing the right things, or it could be feedback that you're not doing the right things. That's where this entrepreneur content creation blows me up, you know, like some guys say, oh, I think Hormosi most famously says in business, it's it's not what you're not doing, you're not doing the things you are doing long enough. Yeah, right, because that's where you get lost in running your own ship. You get lost in like, am I doing Is there something I'm not doing X? To market, to sell, to give members to whatever? Or do you just have to chug through the pieces that you do have? And I think in a team or in a job, it could be similar, right, like all right, am I not getting feedback because I'm not doing it? Or am I not getting feedback as my boss fucking sucks? Am I doing the wrong thing? Or am I not doing the right thing? Long enough? Like, there's just so many X factors that sometimes it feels good to not have free will and just say like all right, yeah, some people are some people maybe the work to live, live to work, yeah people, you know, but some people can't tolerate that. They can't tolerate just you know, doing a drone job and then having a life outside of it. This morning. Interesting, Yeah, so much of it seems American, you know, I don't know besides Argentina, but you hear in Europe, you hear all these other places.

37:07 Like I don't even think like conversations like that even happen. Maybe not, you know what I mean? Because you have your job and it's like a part of your life, but you only do it in a couple hours. And yeah, how do you do a job you don't enjoy for just the money? And that's I think I could do that because I think that's where me and Barter are on the same page at least. Like everyone that says like, do what you love and you won't work a day in your life, I think it's. Yeah, so in that sense that I think all of us are doing jobs that we don't necessarily you can like have like an underlying like passion for, but doesn't mean you love it. It doesn't mean you're gonna be stoked on it, and doesn't mean so it's different than a job you hate. Yeah, for sure. You know, if you're fucking allergic to bees and you're a honeymaker, like, yeah, that's probably a different conversation than just doing shit you don't like to do, and maybe maybe some of that is just how we're wired too. Maybe some people do love just fucking working. Yeah. Well, I was thinking about, you know, the famous poem the Road Not Taken. Yeah, I think so that guy was never gonna take the other road. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was never gonna take the other road. He's celebrating the fact that he was never gonna take the other road. Yeah, And I think that's a lot of us about a lot of things. I think. Yeah, it's a little matrix c too. Yeah, start diving into the matrix.

38:19 All this kind of ripples in how much is laid out for us, how much of is planned? Are we just fucking NPCs stumping around? And then yeah, how much can you just wake up and just like change, Hey, I'm just not gonna eat fucking meat today and just fucking stop. But then it goes back to if you you have to have that in your makeup maybe to be able to change. Yeah. Maybe, yeah, maybe I was supposed to not eat meat when I'm forty or who knows what the chapters are written out. Yeah, the people who, I think go back to substance use and abuse stuff. When people just cannot pull out of the cycle. Yeah, and they like know what they're doing and they still can't pull out of the cycle. Yeah. I mean that would be the general analogy for no free will everywhere, right, just there's no substance. Yeah, you have no control. You're gonna do what you're gonna do. Yeah.

39:12 Yeah, I don't know. It would be interesting to chat with that guy and see if he has some deeper markers on how or why. Yeah, it's a pretty long article. I just I kind of skimmed it. It was. It just struck me that it was in the paper this morning. It's like what Yeah, but I mean obviously long term debate. But again, like I said, it's usually mathematicians who tell us that the math of the universe is pretty yeah constant, or even philosophers, right, because philosophy is the idea of thoughts. So you can just fucking say and do whatever. But you can do a neurologist, but that person studying the brain, and if you have any kind of spirituality in you, you probably believe that you are not your brain, which would argue against this guy. And he can't really argue against that, right, because the soul, spirit, whatever you want to call it. You can't define, and you can't control, and you can't really like study per se. So then your argument, his argument always has to go to philosophy. Yeah, and you can never win a philosophical argument, really, Yeah, that's the point of it all.

40:12 Tried to win a philosophical argument with a neurologist right now, like this, this test that he said I should do, I can't do it for six months. I was like, that's a long long time for a diagnostic test. And I got offered another place to say, yeah, we can do it like a lot sooner, just have it redirected to us. He's just busy or something. What do you mean in six months? Or that has to do with the test, has to do with the test, it's the I mean the the there's a unit within neurology that does these tests. But what I find out is that there's also a unit in physical medicine that does these tests and is busy. His bias well, yeah, they're just busy, just underresourced or whatever. And his bias was yeah, but they don't know how to read it as well as neurology does, so maybe they'll miss something and say, yeah, but six months is still a really long time to wait for something very philosophical, like, you know, like I'm willing to say let him miss something because it might not be that important. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And who knows. I think doctors are just like anyone else, Like powerlifters hate strong men and strong men hate weightlifting.

41:19 Yeah, body, silent mentality, yeah yeah. Whoever thinks they're fucking smarter or better? Yeah. I think that's all I have on this topic. All right, ladies and gentlemen. New episodes Wednesday and Friday. Some updates and announcements coming very soon to the podcast. Appreciate you good company. Discord dot com if you want to get involved with the conversation, discounts, early looks, and a like minded community, I'm Solim Mike. Where you want to find me, I am Matthew Jimmy Dean Allo social Media. This show is fifty percent Facts for percent is a word and fifty is just numbers. Fifty Facts is a speaker Prime podcast and association with I heard me on the Obscure Celebrity Network and We'll talk to you next time. Six Fix