July 29, 2023

Fitness apps: Do they help or hurt?

Fitness apps: Do they help or hurt?

We were asked about this via Instagram rather than Discord this time.

Tracking apps and “AI” style apps for nutrition and training are being used all over now. What’s our experience been? Do you need to pay for an app to have a good experience?...

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We were asked about this via Instagram rather than Discord this time.

Tracking apps and “AI” style apps for nutrition and training are being used all over now. What’s our experience been? Do you need to pay for an app to have a good experience?

Our own Avi Lieu joined us for this one. You can find her on Instagram at @avi.lieu.

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and today we got a few.
This one is I'm a flip flopper

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on it where I used to think
one way and now I think another way.

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Okay, but here can you discuss
the use of phone apps to track

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food and workouts? Pros Com recommended. I used to be a big hater

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on apps just because I thought,
like, because it is, they're so

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trendy and a million come and one
is decent and then a million leave,

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or people like follow bullshit, or
you'll have to pay twenty bucks a month

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to get a decent read from an
app where you don't need it. The

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other thing I was never we were
talking about the other day. I have

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a weird if I do have a
weird talent. I remember people's prs really

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good, and I remember like rep
sets and like what I've done, especially

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if I'm coaching someone like I never
took notes as a coach. I just

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knew where we were last week.
I'm really bad at that, and I'm

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even pretty decent like YouTube, and
I only see like fifty percent of you,

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But I just know ballpark, what
you can rep for five, what

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you have repped for a double or
whatever. It sticks in my head.

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If I actually coached you, I
just have it locked in my brain.

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So I have my own shit locked
in my brain. I don't know why.

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Maybe that's the little bit of math
savant I got from my dad,

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because my dad actually was like a
real fucking math whiz. So I never

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bid the journal obviously a huge bodybuilding
in I think thing guys would have Marcus

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out there as a journal that's like
two decades old as every work I was

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actually done in it. Nowadays it's
a little different because you have a coach,

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right, So a coach is normally
sending you a program, or there's

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plenty of apps where you're just tapping. Obviously people use Excel, etc.

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But I don't really use my fitness
spouse still, and I'll get a ballpark

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of what I'm eating tomorrow before I
go to bed, I put in tomorrow's

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meal. Yeah, I put the
whole day in helps a ton And that's

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how I coach people too. That's
how I coach any nutrition, to do

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it ahead of time, because then
you know what you're allotted that day,

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right, because if you're trying to
if you I meal one, it's going

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to take longer. Right, You're
like, oh how much egg should I

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have? And you're kind of measuring
out or like oh can I eat a

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pole it today? And now you're
wasting an hour on your phone. Where

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if I put everything in and then
I adjust it, now I know all

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right, breakfast is this, lunch, is this? Dinner's that for tomorrow?

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And then it also makes me not
go and sneak through taco bell on

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the way home. It is with
my timing, so like I'll see what

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I'm putting into the log and then
I'll just eat those things and finish way

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too early in the day, and
I'm like, shit, well I'm starving,

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and then I go off and then
track the rest of it. I

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mean, I don't do that anymore
because yeah, lessons learned. Yeah,

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but also like, um, when
I was tracking in class, I would

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just play on the rest of my
meals. So then I realized I was

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just thinking about food all day.
Yeah, that's not healthy. And then

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I just I'm just constantly thinking about
food on my mind when I was tracking.

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That's maybe why you do it the
night before my heal. You do

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the night before we starve and then
have like exact timing. So all my

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meal, I always eat a two
and then I always eat it six stall

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myself from thinking about food. That's
good too. Use the training app no,

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so yeah, Google sheets, Yeah? Yeah, interesting. So what's

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your flip flop that I used to
be very anti Now now I'm yeah,

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because I'll use like an imam mapp
when I'm doing cardio. Not that I

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was anti app obviously, but just
like I thought the whole thing was a

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gimmick. And it still kind of
is like you don't need them, um,

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especially when you're first starting. I
think that's I think that's my argument

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is that everyone's first starts and now
they want to go from zero one hundred

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and they're grabbing all these apps and
oh my god, I can't do this

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if without that, Like first,
you just gotta get in the habit of

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like not eating peaple and yeah,
the habit of walking like that app is

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not going to fix those habits.
No. No, I think that every

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one of these apps so that it
has you know, and some of them

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have some kind of AI built into
them. Aim. I'm finger quotes here.

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Um, they're all inaccurate, number
one. Yeah. They some of

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them are giving you additional calories for
the for your expenditure, which is dumb.

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Um. There are ones that do
projections that are not realistic. I

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mean, they're they're like kinds of
problems, like you you have to make

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them work for your situation. You
can't really take them off the shelf and

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just you know, I mean maybe
some people can, but I've never been

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able to. Typically they're not coaches. Yeah, they're like decent logs.

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Yeah, and that's and and sometimes
not even the greatest logs either. To

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do it in an app, I
don't know. And I mean if you're

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okay, so if you're trying to
lose a certain amount of weight in a

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particular amount of time for a particular
reason. Tracking is one thing. If

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you were doing a lifestyle change so
that they're still eating normal foods that you

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may not have the like totally accurate
macro breakdowns and calorie breakdowns and stuff like

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that. I think it's much harder
ye to use it, to use a

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tracking app. Yeah, it's definitely
a skill to do any of that.

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Right to go out to eat sushi
and still stick on your plan or eat

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with a group, Um, that's
with time. Yeah. I just think

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that that someone isn't not going to
roll out of bed in the morning and

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know how to do that. No, No, they won't even know how

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to use an app. I mean
Macro's as a as a term and as

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a general idea of how to track
food is a little bit more common now,

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But I mean I remember doing podcasts
five years ago and people arguing me

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it didn't matter. Luri's out was
still a big argument. Yeah, yeah,

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if it's your macro, Yeah,
I mean that that was a that

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was a niche group that understood that
concept, which is uh, the I

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don't know if there's a misconception per
se, but the vast majority still thought

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that, like carbs were bad,
frees were just one piece of the equation.

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And and obviously depends on what your
goal is, but losing weight,

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calories are the equation. There's no
other equation, performance, building muscle,

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looking good, feeling good, living
a long time. There's more to the

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equation for sure, and then you
can have okay, but if you all

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those two thousand calories in one sitting
and it's all donuts, yeah, you're

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probably not gonna feel awesome. You
might lose weight from it, Yep,

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you definitely possibly can. Yeah,
but you're not going to feel your body

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the way that it needs to in
order to perform, and you're not going

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to look how you want if you
do that for six months. Yeah,

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even if you are in Yeah,
protein protein, adequate, protein is gonna

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matter. Obviously, water is gonna
matter, and then fiber some micronutrients will

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probably do you good. So you
don't get butthole cancer. I guess it

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does take into account macros, So
you are going to you should be hitting

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like your proteins carbson fats, so
like there is that. It's not just

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calories. Yeah, especially depending on
this easy because it like you track each

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racker protein and calories, because that's
all the kind of matters because you're not

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actually like tapping into that many resources
when you power lift, but you start

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to get into like sprinting, soccer, even bodybuilding, other sports where yeah,

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how much carbs how much fat definitely
plays a role, even running and

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shit like that, ultra marathons especially
those things. Yeah, the ratios are

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going to matter a lot more on
how you feel. And I would even

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say for the because you're still pretty
young, but we're just joking about out

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there. Even for the the soccer
mom that wants to get fit and jacked,

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the ratio of carbs to fat can
can have a huge role on how

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you feel. Yeah, not necessarily
on how you look. Calories will matter

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most, but it will depend on
how you feel daily and so you can

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manipulate those pretty good. But lifting
wise, I've never really used one.

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Now. I my heart rates cool
to check just just because I want to

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do two like harder cardio days than
four. Not a new watch now,

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so talking about his heart rate old
watch it's ten year old. Yeah,

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I don't try carbs and fats because
I know I'm eating them. It's not

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that I'm not okay, I'm definitely
eating them. But also because of the

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relationship I have with tracking it.
In the past, I was tracking to

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the ground for all my macros and
then I developed like a bad relationship with

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food that I do have to track
again because I have a strict weight,

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like I have to eat weight.
I have to track in order to do

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that. But I'm kind of compromising
with myself and allowing me a little bit

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of freedom by just tracking calories and
then trying to hit like a decent amount

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of protein each day. You're taking
account of your mentals to otherwise it's not

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sustainable. I'll be able to do
it for maybe a month, and then

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I'll fall off when it really matters. Yeah, each person is different there.

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And I've been talking because I'm helping
a couple of gym members with their

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nutrition, some guys that have some
big dreams and powerlifting, and it is

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a fine line like, uh,
you know, this may not be the

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advice that everyone want to give,
but like, if you have like extreme

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goals, it's going to take a
measures. So would you rather have a

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bad relationship with food where you're binging
all day and you're fucking eating donuts all

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day every day, or be a
little bit obsessed with the scale and tracking,

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but you're at a healthy body fat
and if you have big goals,

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that's probably what it's going to like, it's gonna suck. Yeah, Like

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we're obsessed with how our body feels, we're obsessed with how our body moves.

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But if you want to be great
at something, you probably can't step

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into it casually. Yea. For
the masses, for sure, you can

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find a balance. You can you
can have that birthday cake and and you

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know, for guys maintain around fifteen
percent body fat, that's definitely possible.

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But if you're trying to or even
push yourself to be below ten percent body

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fat, you're probably gonna have to
do some extreme measures. Take your poison.

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It's all going to be uncomfortable.
Yeah, it's either you give in

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to your cravings and now you're unhappy
with how you look, how you feel.

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You're guilty for eating these things.
You're punishing your now because you ate

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those things. Um, so you
guys to feel uncomfortable that way, or

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you're uncomfortable with like stepping on the
sale every morning, tracking your weight,

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waiting eat your food because it takes
a little longer each day. Yeah,

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Eric Helm said it best to me, is like everyone's always talking about balance

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and it can relate to anything,
whether it's a relationship with food, exercise,

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or life, family, whatever.
One thinks balance is like an equilibrium,

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but what balance really is is a
teeter totter and you're overcompensating one thing

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out of time. Right So right
now, you've got to be obsessed with

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nutrition because you're about to go into
national So yeah, you're going to be

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obsessed over here. But then Christmas
comes and maybe you can push more towards

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your family and nutrition takes a back
road and instant microadjustments to find that.

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Any apps you use, my fitness
Pal, that's all I use. That's

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pretty much it. As I have
used my Fitness Pal, I've used macro

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Factor, I have briefly used Carbon
They're all kind of okay, you know

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what I mean, sim I feel
like macro Factor is a little bit better

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for people who are are just you
know, casual with you know, with

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weight loss or not not toward a
particular goal or whatever. Yeah, general

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tracking, Yeah, yeah, I
use um my fitness Pale just because that's

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what I started twelve years ago,
and then I've been using it's a stupid

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as smart wad timer um and that's
just for my cardio. You can set

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different intervals, you can set different
times it beeps for you. So if

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you want to do an e mom
every minute on the minute, if you

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want to go thirty seconds on,
thirty seconds off rest work kind of deal.

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I've been using a lot of that, and then otherwise yet basic heart

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rate monitor, Instagram and YouTube.
We're not talking about his general apps.

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I use Instagram to track my value
as a person in society. That's true.

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just let them be, you know, anonymous or whatever.