March 18, 2025

Generation Iron: Natty 4 Life (2020) | A 50% Facts Review

Generation Iron: Natty 4 Life (2020) | A 50% Facts Review

The third sequel to the bodybuilding documentary Generation Iron is all about the natties. It follows a group of competitors during the countdown to the Natural Olympia of 2019. Will natural bodybuilding ever gain the kind of traction that its...

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The third sequel to the bodybuilding documentary Generation Iron is all about the natties. It follows a group of competitors during the countdown to the Natural Olympia of 2019. Will natural bodybuilding ever gain the kind of traction that its “enhanced” counterpart does? And are the competitors really drug-free? Several commentators in the film cast doubt on that.

Dean Saddoris @deansaddoris.ck chops it up with us again.

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So funny how though, Like everything is kind of just

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regurgitating with the supplements shit right now, it's weird. Five

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hour Energy is like making a comeback to you know why,

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because they're going big on social media right now. They're

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going hard with influencers right now. A lot of these

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guys I watch their tiktoks, are like their YouTube shorts.

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They're all pumping.

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Ten our energy nowhere.

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Will Ferrell just did five hour Energy, didn't see.

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Yeah, they're doing a big push right now.

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I don't mean he just took a shot at it.

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I mean he was in commercials for it.

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Really. Yeah.

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Yeah, they're going hard on marketing right now.

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For some reason owns them like Bigger Bro.

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It was like I remember taking those back in after

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like I was in college, like going before work. They

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were great, you know, they were early. They were with

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the red Bull Monster era. Yeah, and you look at

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it's just you know, twenty thousand percent of your B

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twelve for the day. It's like not really much in them,

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just that.

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Uh yeah. The whole energy drink spectrum's going crazy. Still.

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We talked about a Lonnie selling, right, I don't think

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so Celsi has bought a Lonnie for one point eight

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mil one point eight.

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Million, billion.

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Million doesn't seem like enough.

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I saw a Lonnie they go crazy with the marketing though.

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It was like, yeah, that's my old that's my ex client.

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We got the own site.

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Jesus, yeah, Lonnie. And then there was another big energy

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drink news. I forgot what it was.

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I don't know how I followed this guy on TikTok,

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but he ended up. He's like doesn't have good doesn't

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get a ton of engagement. He's like a couple thousand

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or a thousand views of video. But his whole thing

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is like BEV beverage market, all beverages. It's all he

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talks about. Is like the beverage market is his little niche.

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And I think he does something for like a big

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beverage company, like his desk job. But anyways, yes, I

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kind of get the scoop on a lot of that stuff, but.

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I don't on Danny's Friends or something someone on Instagram

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that does that kind of for all fitness. He goes

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into like demarketing back business. We might have shared him

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sub boss. I don't know if it's Jake Hayler or

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something is his name. He pops up and he talks

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about a lot of the trends and what's happening, like Jake.

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Owen or something like that. Maybe I think Owen kind

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of like a just normal vanilla looking like, Yeah, it's racist.

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Five hour Energy is owned by the company that started

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five hour Energy, so interesting. It's probably more in the distribution.

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On the distribution side, I'm not sure sure what it

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is with liquor.

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Talking about it's like the perfect product too, because you

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don't need it doesn't need cold storage. Yeah, it's like

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it's it's nobody has.

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In the expectation is going to taste good. Yeah, it's

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like taking medicine. It's like medicine for staying awake.

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God, I can't even remember what they taste like, to

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be honest with you, and I've had probably one hundred

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of them. I have no idea what it tastes like.

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That's probably what Mike's product tastes like. Whatever that is

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in our brain.

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Yeah, Yeah, it's like just taste like chemical.

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It's probably superiora probably like kind of slimy, like it

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was definitely thick, sugary. Yeah, there's viscus aftertastes like the

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same as that vial you were talking about. Actually know five.

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Energy is kind of liquidy.

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It's like liquid like it's the aftertaste, like sticks on

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your tongue. Yeah, same with io pure because ice is

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pure liquid too.

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I'm trying to think, like what you guys talk about

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ice like, I can't even picture it.

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It's like it's a glass bottle glass. Yeah, like a

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like a Snapple top. What literally Snapple top? I mean

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they had it. They had it in the Meathhead gems

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I went to in the nineties. Oh yes, green, like

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a green apple and like watermelon. I was do you

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like them? I really did?

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I remember that. I have a weird that's the modern version.

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Yeah not yeah, that's like their powder, but they I

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think it really popped off because of their liquid. Yeah.

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They were one of the first really hydrolyzed.

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That's bullshit.

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That is bullshous, Cutting Margins.

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Also, like, look at that, man, that product is blending

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in everywhere. That is no one's gonna buy that.

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Yeah, Cutting Margins. Oh, poppy Poppy just got bought out.

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That looks like shit.

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Poppy back got bought by Pepsia Ollipop Yeah olipop.

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Oh, I thought that's different.

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No, I think it's Poppy.

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I think it's a differing brand. Oh okay, Poppy started

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on Shark Tank.

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Yeah, Poppy started probiotics one.

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Yeah. Yeah, it's just like fucking which is fake anyways, right,

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it's applesider vinegar, which it tastes pretty mediocre.

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My kids have these, yeah, these yogurt covered like uh,

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strawberry candies. It's like, oh, probiotics, this is just fucking can't.

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Yeah, you mean yogurt, Poppy. At least yogurt has something

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in it. Like, I don't even know if apple cider

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vinegar really does.

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I don't know.

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I tried to do the drinking of it, the brags,

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I tried it. Just couldn't do it.

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You know what.

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No, I'm just gonna eat kimchi. Like, try and eat

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kimchi like four times a week.

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No, eat kim chi every day.

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Uh. I've never had Poppy, but I can tell you

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that I am not a fan of Ollipop.

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I haven't had either. We either either either over.

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Yeah, we were on part of this strip, like our

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layover on the way to Virginia. We had some you know,

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we had lunches, some kind of semi healthy whatever whatever

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bullshit place, and they didn't have any normal sodas or anything.

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So I got like a lollipop, you know, vintage soda

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something like that. Fucking nasty, nasty. I don't want cinnamon

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in my cola. I mean, that is not a flavor

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that I associate.

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With colonwen with like a gave.

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Or I don't know, good intentions, I don't know. This

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wasn't very good. Wishful thinking, wishful thinking, the wishful thinking

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that anyone's going to enjoy drinking it. It was awful,

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Like I can't if I weren't so Thursday, I hadn't

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ordered a gigantic sandwich without realizing I was ordering a

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gigantic sandwich.

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I was huge.

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It was huge.

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I had no idea.

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It's rare these days. Everything's so scaled.

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This, I mean, food was pretty goodt this place. It's

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just a choice of Bevy Swiss.

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You know.

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Yeah, unfortunate.

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Well, the Bebbies is the most half, the partant part

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of the meal. You gonna have a good bev. Yeah,

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that's what I think.

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I can't forget the bev. No, no, no, So.

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This is like a so what is the difference with

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these these sparkling pro prebiotics is it just basically like

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a mild kambucha or what.

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No, No, it's literally apple side of vinegar. No. I

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think it's literally apple side of vinegar and.

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Ar with other ship. Yeah, and call it a prebiotic.

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Yeah. What was the one that went crazy for a while?

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The local Uh.

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Fuck?

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What's it called? Not zvia ZeVA is older. There's one

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that went crazy for a while. It's just a bubbly

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water with a little flavor. The first one to go

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crazy Lacroix. Lacroix. It's a little kroy with appleside of vinegar. Mmmm.

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Got him? Yeah, And that's why they taste like trash,

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because Lacroix was also trash. Oh.

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I love mccroy really. I like all the sparkling water.

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I mean, I like sparkling water too, but I'm not

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going to drink that and inherently say like this is

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a very good diet drink.

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It's not very don't drinking for diet factor. I just

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like sparkling. I just like carbonation. Yeah, but I drink

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plain water like playing carbonated water.

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Yeah.

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I like a little t I flavor.

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I get glass fucking pelgrainos.

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We're not all balling like you.

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No, that's cheaper than a fucking zva or a poppy.

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You're like that guy that walks on Instagram. I would

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if I could sprinter guy. You know, I'm talking about

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bright fucking walked here. Let's not talk about ball one.

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I literally bought a two dollars Uber scooter because I

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don't have a car.

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I was gonna say that, did you bring the lineout?

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Yeah? I don't have a car. A line. Someone trying

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to like rag me for buying like creatine, like expensive creatine.

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I'm like, dude, Like, it's just priorities. Like you go,

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you spend fucking five hundred dollars a month on shitty subscriptions,

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Well you get fat and eat pizza, Like I just

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spend my ten dollars extra.

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One night out at the bar.

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Yeah yeah, I just spent it on things that matter

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to me, my health.

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I saw you're doing, like are you doing like a

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chewable creatine?

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Yeah?

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I oh what are you seven years old?

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Yeah? Absolutely, yeah.

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I do the same thing. I order I get one

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from Amazon. That's pretty cheap.

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I do my magnesium. The issue with creatine in chewables

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right now is like twenty of them. No, you need

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three to five, but it's I take four. I'm trying

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to get ten grams of creatine today. But the issue

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is is a lot of the companies are skirting the

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edges like everything else, so they creatine is the cheapest

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thing in the world, and they still don't even put

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it in there.

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I go to five strong, I get that big jug

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of like that blue creatine. Yeah, it's like it's ten

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grams of scoop.

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No, you can get it. You can get a year's

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supply for under fifty bucks for sure. Well, I don't

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drink shakes like I'm not going to put it in anything.

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Yeah, that's my issue too.

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Yeah, I'm not going to drive. I mix it with

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like a BCA.

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I just drink for the one I takes kind of

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like a hydration BCA combos. I just flavor of the creatine. Honestly,

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is all I really drink it for. Yeah, I don't

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really drink it before I work out.

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I got were little red gummy bears that tastes like red.

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So that's all I need.

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Yeah, Well, looking til'll give it a shot.

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Maybe No, they're good. Yeah, they're good if yeah, if

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you get the right brands, because like more than half

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of them have.

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Like like a big steak's got like what one two

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grams tops?

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Probably one in a big rabbi tops. Yeah.

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Yeah, if you'd like almost eat like a couple if

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you'd a lot of red meat, you eat like a

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couple of grams.

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How many rabbis we in a day?

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Saying if you have one and you have some ground beef,

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there's something beef, right, yeah, probably not enough enough, so.

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You like, I'm not saying like completely two pounds of

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beef a day, so.

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You're probably getting like two or three, just like I

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think it's like a ground per pound is like a conservative.

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is the best obviously because it's yeah, yeah, but I

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just don't I'm not gonna dry scoop shit, I'm fucking

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thirty six, and then.

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You're not supposed to really dry scoop creatine anyways, though

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you should probably drink it. It's like, you know, you

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don't like drink any kind of juice or anything.

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Nothing on coffee. I put it in my coffee back

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in the day, and that was a terrible experience.

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Yeah, I mean I would just honestly, I would sometimes know, Yeah,

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at work. I would just pour it into a coffee

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mug two scoops and then just swirl it and fucking

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I hate.

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That it tastes like shit. But I got the high

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gaggery flush.

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They have a flavored creatine powder now too, though. Yeah,

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that's it takes like blue raz and then you just

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drink it.

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That makes me want a gag too.

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You know what, I got nothing for you then now.

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I just overdid it. Like ages twenty to twenty five.

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I took every powder I'm taking, like on the clock

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BC double A's on the clock, shakes on the clock this,

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you know, and it's just gross. It's so gross. None

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of it tastes good. That's why I don't do prework

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out now, you know. I've been doing energy drinks or yerba. Yeah,

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are the only things that taste good. Protein's gross, yeah,

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Cretine the gummy is a great event. I take my

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magnesium in gummy form two.

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I just take like this. I have a bunch of

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stuff I take in the morning, but I just costco

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fucking big bottles of all my supplements. I think the

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magnesium it takes like a four hundred milligram.

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Yeah, I just take it before bed. But yeah, I

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do gummies everything else. I take pills like I'm not

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anti pill, you know. I take fish oil and D

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three Yeah whatever the fuck?

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K two D three comb trend bill form VP seven.

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That feels like maybe a little bit of a segue

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into the athletes in this particular yeah documentary, who all right?

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I get I one assumes they're taking creating and protein

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and like, what else can they get away with?

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SARMs?

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SARMs?

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Yeah?

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They probably can they or can they not?

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The latest the latest arms? Yeah? I don't know. I

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mean they say they test your round too, but I

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don't know if they really do like that. And they

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say water protocols but obviously so was Lance Armstrong. Right,

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if there's a will, there's a way. Although I wasn't

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that impressed with their physiques, to be honest, I've seen

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way more Jack Natties.

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Which I guess it's like the yeah, the the number one,

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the King of the Natties, the tall dude, Michael Mike, oh,

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big Mike.

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Dirty Mike. The more I looked at O'Hearn though, like, honestly,

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like I think you don't believe them because of how

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we like moves and talks not because of his physique.

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When I just looked at his physique, I'm like, I

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think he kind of could be natty.

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Uh yeah, I would like to go down this rabbit

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hole just my Like I have been hearing about mike

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Ohearn for over twenty years, and I've been him a

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couple of times. But you know, we used to hang

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out with people who used to hang out with him,

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and those people said there's no way, like some people

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in in this doc did, there's no way he's natty,

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like I or you know, I heard I know who

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sells to him. It's like, well do you know that

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for sure?

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Yeah? And people say that about like Lebron James too though,

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and like I think Lebron could be natty.

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I don't think that's a chance Lebron is natty.

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But that's but that's different. It's on something right, Like

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what is it?

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I mean, have you seen him as a freshman in

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high school?

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He's not like muscular, there was no it was jacked.

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He was like six two, like one seventy five jacked

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at fourteen years old.

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But one sixty one seventy five isn't like a big body.

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We're talking about pre puberty. No, for sure, six seventies

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fucking jack. That's a natty. That's a natty bodybuilder.

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Yeah, No, I think he's I don't think he's. Like

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he's definitely taking like everything that is available to them, right,

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Like he's gotten the best treatment. He's getting the best.

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Like he's probably doing like other ship though, Like that's

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you know, maybe he's not taking steroids per se, but

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he's like definitely taking like stem cell and all this

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other ship always like, but that's not like anabolic.

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No, I guess not.

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I'm thinking like, like what's it called all this new

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stuff uptideside?

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Yeah, all thattids are amino acids. Yeah, you know, so

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that's not illegal either, or like like.

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You just buy him on the internet, right yeah, stories Yeah, yeah,

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you buy anything on the internet. That's true.

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Head Down though, Silk Road, Yeah, Shadow Ross.

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He's out of jail now, right.

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So our hero and the Pirate Bay guy died.

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Yeah, Pirate Bay crash his plane, yeah, conspiracy yeah, the

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plane crash. Yeah, anyways went down.

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Yeah.

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We're talking about the Generation Iron four or Natty for Life,

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and Michael Hearne is kind of a through line on this.

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His interview is dropped into various portions of this of

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this documentary. We usually kind of do this at the end,

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but like, what was your like overall impression of this production.

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I mean, just in terms of production quality and stuff

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versus the other ones we've seen from Generation Iron, I.

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Think production was the same level, But the rest of

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it I actually thought was shit.

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Yeah, it was pretty bad, But a lot of it

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again goes to like the subject.

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Yeah, the subjects and not the subject, not natty bodybuilding.

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It's the subjects who they chose. Yeah, you know, like.

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Those were very interesting people.

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No one had a line, no one had a story,

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No one had a single story. You know. We had

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the fucking Zoolander looking tall bla dude and then the

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og black dude and that's like a firefighter. I don't know, bro,

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he dressed crazy kid. That was a crazy era. I'm

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glad I never dove into the skinny jeans, deep deep

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wide swoop neck chopped tea.

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You know what.

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I never succumbed to that. I am. I held my ground.

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You probably had one, Chris Terry. You didn't have a

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chopped up looked like you threw a swoop neck half

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cut tea. That ran through a lawnmower.

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No, I never did that.

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I never even I never even went on the trend

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of the swoop next the bottom, the bottom. Yeah, that's

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the same tee.

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I never did those either, that's crazy. Never bought a

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single one.

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Me neither, But every single human had one.

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They were a big thing.

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I I foll a lot of dress boots only wrong

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dress boots only. None of them wore sneakers because yeah,

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or like even dress here. Yeah, and that's it. And

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then the swoop necks era. When did this come out?

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But they had those COVID movies.

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They had to have filmed earlier.

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It was filmed at nineteen.

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I think even that that guy was late on the

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trend then, because that shit's like twenty seventeen, I feel like.

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But he's also like I think he was like in

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the middle of nowhere, you know, like we living in

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California where things are trends are maybe five years ahead, right,

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Maybe I.

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Just feel like with the Internet era, all that's blurred.

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You know, it's still though. Man, He's like, not everybody's

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on the you know, no, but that was shit like

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the kids. It's funny like kids, he says, like a

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lot of them are on the internet, but also a

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lot of them aren't.

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Yeah, it's just weird.

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It's weird.

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Bodybuilders are weird too, they are. But yeah, I think

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the subject subjects, the humans were the boring part, and

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even O'Hearn you know the same deal ran parallel the

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most interesting part of the whole. He's actually insanely funny

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and charismatic, and he doesn't like let it out. He's

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like kind of fun to be around, cracking jokes and shit,

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like he's pretty cool. But like that interview, I didn't

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think was that cool either.

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I had exactly the opposite impression. Every time I met him.

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I felt like he was being really fake and performative.

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We had him on the old right, Yeah, and it

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just nothing about it seemed real.

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Well I didn't say genuine. I didn't say genuine. I

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said that he could talk and make jokes. Yeah.

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To me, I mean like when I when I met

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it was all just it felt fake. It felt like

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there was not anything real going on here. I actually

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had a more positive impression of him after this than

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because he's it was like toned down.

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I like, I also just kind of talked. They asked

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him the question. He just talks about it. He doesn't

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really avoid the questions about it. He just kind of

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talks about it. And he talks about this like how

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guys do it and why they would do it, in

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a very like a professionally informative way, but like not

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like he's like trying to like overcompensate with knowledge to

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hide the fact that he's doing He just kind of

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just like seems like he just he knows all about

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everything and he's not pretending that he doesn't.

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Yeah, I think it's probably the topic matter because a

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couple of the like Panel are actually really solid, like

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Mike Ryan met him too, and uh Saladino who ran

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parallel to but haven't met in a long time or

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never met. But we just have a lot of tools

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like Saladino. I think a lot of it's too close

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to home for some of them because they're still in

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the game, like Saladino trained Thor, not hap Thor, but

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Chris Hemsworth yeah, you know, and he even mentions like

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oh yeah, like like looks are different now, but I'm like, well,

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not the new Thor, Like the Thory train now is

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fucking two eighty, you know, looking like a linebacker so

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it might be too close to home and he's probably

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on some kind of TRT or something self like everyone is.

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Mike Ryan clearly is and didn't really want to talk

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about it that much. But like his biceps like overtake

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his body in that interview, like you can't even see

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his tor so his biceps are showy. Mike Gray hair

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celebrity trainer, Mike oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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And then and then they don't really like explain who

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the panel are, like yeah, they have the name there,

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but like Mike Ryan's celebrity trainer, Like what the fuck

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does that mean? Saladino like trainer, you know, like like

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who have they trained? What have they done, like how

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long they've been in the industry or whatever. And I

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know they say like, oh, I've been at Gold since

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nineteen ninety, but that doesn't give much either. And then again,

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the natty subjects themselves are just like they're snooze fast.

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But that is bodybuilding, you know, we've talked about in

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the other bodybuilding stuff. He's covered like a lot of

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bodybuilders to get to the level they do physically mentally

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like yeah, you kind of go into like a weird

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temple shout them up, boy, Joe Sullivan. I just ran

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into Joe two twenty World squad holder. You know, been

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in powerlifting since he was sixteen. He's probably going on

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thirty now and throwing his hat into the bodybuilding ring.

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And he's probably he's sub ten percent body fat right now.

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I don't know when his show is April, so he's

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probably like four weeks out or less. And I saw him, like,

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you know, head into the gym, and he was cheery

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in a great move. But we had like a you know,

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a mini chat, and I just know how difficult that is.

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And Joe's a pretty social cat and funny and whatever,

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and you know, like to do that for ten years

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like some of these bodybuilders, let alone being natty as

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a whole. It's actually I would argue natty body buildings

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harder than enhanced bodybuilding, just in the sense of, like

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you have nothing helping you, You got no extra gas,

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like they're they're they're like running on a race engine

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with like nitrous, like they have extra gears, and like

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natty guys are like running on like a nineteen fifties

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diesel engine, just praying to chug along.

470
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You're hurt you're actually feeling your aches and pain. Yeah,

471
00:20:16.480 --> 00:20:17.359
yeah you got no saw.

472
00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:19.640
Yeah you recovering. Yeah, you get some like pains or

473
00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:22.640
something when you're enhancing, Like there's compounds to kind of

474
00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:24.519
like assist that, you know, like you got nothing but

475
00:20:24.559 --> 00:20:29.200
advil and so like, I understand why the subjects aren't

476
00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:32.400
super funny, you know, I understand why they live like

477
00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:35.160
boring lives. But if you're gonna make a documentary on it,

478
00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:37.359
I mean, they had Lane Norton in the other one

479
00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:39.119
we had like how do you not have Lane Norton

480
00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:40.920
in this one? That's a really good question, you know,

481
00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:44.039
like why don't you tap into like the real kings

482
00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:46.279
of the game, Like why isn't Eric Helms interviewed in this?

483
00:20:46.839 --> 00:20:50.759
Why isn't Yeah, there's tons of names you can mention

484
00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:53.319
that that or even like the ones that aren't maybe

485
00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:57.400
the world's best bodybuilders. I mean, Doug Miller should have

486
00:20:57.400 --> 00:21:00.160
been in this. There's tons of names I can come

487
00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:02.720
across that that should have been, even matt Ogus. Because

488
00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:05.079
then the whole I feel like the through line or

489
00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:08.720
like the real story is like why isn't it popular? Right?

490
00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:10.720
I feel like that's the question that was also kind

491
00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:13.039
of like the subtext, right, yeah, for the sub but

492
00:21:13.079 --> 00:21:15.920
then they didn't interview popular people like it is popular,

493
00:21:16.119 --> 00:21:18.920
you're just interviewing the people. Yeah, look at matt Ogus,

494
00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:22.480
Like matt Ogus created YouTube fitness and he's a natty

495
00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:26.440
bodybuilder like Omarsaff even bar Kwan's done when Like again,

496
00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:28.720
I know I'm like biased because they're my friends and

497
00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:31.480
it's the world I come from. But like what about

498
00:21:31.519 --> 00:21:33.799
Max Taylor, Like maybe.

499
00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:36.680
This maybe this was made like before it kind of

500
00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:38.240
became more popular though.

501
00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:41.000
Now matt Ogus flogged in twenty eleven. Really yeah, like

502
00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:43.359
they're just looking in the wrong places. The guy like

503
00:21:43.640 --> 00:21:46.119
and obviously I assume the dude driving the car is

504
00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:48.279
the producer or like the director.

505
00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:50.440
The director the guy, yeah, the guy, the guy who

506
00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:52.240
is running all the interviews. Yeah, like I feel like

507
00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:54.599
it's on camera for the like maybe first time in

508
00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:57.759
anyone that we've seen. I I don't know, I didn't

509
00:21:57.759 --> 00:22:00.640
necessarily find just his presence all that necessary. And I

510
00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:03.759
thought his voiceover added nothing.

511
00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:05.759
Well, it almost feels like he doesn't know what he's

512
00:22:05.799 --> 00:22:08.920
talking about. There was some question I forgot what it was.

513
00:22:09.480 --> 00:22:11.880
But even the guys like answered him weird because he's

514
00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:16.200
like it like went over his own head. Yeah, I

515
00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:18.920
just feel like he could have just chose the panel

516
00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:22.000
is decent. It's a decent panel, but it just could

517
00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:23.599
have like if you want to dive deep into Yeah,

518
00:22:23.599 --> 00:22:28.119
Max Taylor's a great representation of it. Like Max Taylor

519
00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:31.640
blew up on TikTok, similar to this era, huge on Instagram,

520
00:22:31.759 --> 00:22:34.920
huge on YouTube, and does Natty bodybuilding, you know, like

521
00:22:35.559 --> 00:22:38.160
it's very popular, like he has way more followers than

522
00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:42.039
most ifpbs, you know, and like yeah the Freak Show

523
00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:44.240
or like their whole answer is like semi real too,

524
00:22:44.359 --> 00:22:46.839
like to get to get it popular. Yeah, you don't

525
00:22:46.839 --> 00:22:49.519
want to see one hundred and sixty pound guy on stage.

526
00:22:49.519 --> 00:22:51.519
You want to see there was that one that one

527
00:22:51.559 --> 00:22:53.519
shot where they showed all those guys.

528
00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:54.400
In that amateur event landing up.

529
00:22:54.440 --> 00:22:56.680
You're like, well this is just not No, it's bad.

530
00:22:56.799 --> 00:22:59.599
This isn't good. Yeah, these guys look like they're about

531
00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:01.559
five five one five.

532
00:23:01.720 --> 00:23:02.160
That's bad.

533
00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:03.759
And it was like, well this is this is like

534
00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:06.000
the guy I see at twenty four, Like.

535
00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:06.640
No, it's bad.

536
00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:09.039
Yeah, it's not impressive, but NPC is too.

537
00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:11.519
Honestly, if you go to like a local show, there's

538
00:23:11.559 --> 00:23:13.359
gonna be one dude that just has no clue what's

539
00:23:13.400 --> 00:23:16.279
going on. Is like fifteen percent body fat? You know?

540
00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:20.240
Is there like the people that can you can just

541
00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:22.440
like there's like the marathon people, right, they're just like, oh,

542
00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:24.440
I did a marathon, just like, yeah, you walked in

543
00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:26.480
twelve hours. Yeah, sure you did a marathon. Sure, but

544
00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:27.640
that's like not doing a marathon.

545
00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:28.799
No, that's exactly what it is.

546
00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:30.359
But you can get that in bodybuilding too, where you're

547
00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:31.920
like a r I got on stage as a bodybuilder.

548
00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:33.519
It's like, well you just like walked up there and

549
00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:34.079
paid the fee.

550
00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:36.480
No. I think walking a marathon is actually more impressive.

551
00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:38.880
It is, for sure, because you can just you can

552
00:23:38.920 --> 00:23:40.720
literally just sign up and just walk up there.

553
00:23:40.839 --> 00:23:43.880
Yeah, and you kind of tan and you kind of diet. Yeah. Yeah, No,

554
00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:45.599
I think it's I think it's a thing. It's a

555
00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:47.240
thing because then people, yeah, want to chuck it off

556
00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:49.920
their bucket list or whatever. But then like, yeah, like

557
00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:52.839
pay a little respect to the sport, you know. Yeah,

558
00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:55.759
I mean that og was cool. They didn't like dig

559
00:23:55.839 --> 00:23:57.640
much into a story, Like I still don't know anything

560
00:23:57.680 --> 00:24:00.240
about them, you know, the guy that was chraining gotta

561
00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:02.319
end up know, the the one that ended up winning,

562
00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:03.880
the guy who was like was he fifty, what do

563
00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:06.440
you say forty? Oh yeah, yeah, you know, like that's

564
00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:08.759
a problem the same too, So I lost track of

565
00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:10.799
who was But he looked good, like he honestly did

566
00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:12.799
look good, and for forty eight he looked insane and

567
00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:15.960
like win every Olympia. But I don't even know. I

568
00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:19.960
know natty. Bodybuilding has the similar issues to powerlifting, where

569
00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:22.680
there are like three feds that are pretty legit, so

570
00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:24.920
it spreads the competition kind of thing because a lot

571
00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:26.680
of my buddies in it, I don't even think they

572
00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:29.680
talk about Olympia. They go to like some other worlds,

573
00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:31.799
like that's a little bit more competitive, and.

574
00:24:31.759 --> 00:24:33.839
Saying they thought for the interview or for the documentary

575
00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:35.359
that the word Olympia would be more like.

576
00:24:35.240 --> 00:24:38.160
It is, and and and I also think it's the

577
00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:40.799
director just not knowing enough before he started, because like

578
00:24:40.839 --> 00:24:43.799
Olympia is the biggest liftb But look up Doug Miller

579
00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:45.400
when you get a chance to Jim just to show

580
00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:46.079
the audio.

581
00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:51.319
Google, He's the Olympia of body building, right, Like I.

582
00:24:51.519 --> 00:24:54.559
Don't because there's the w NBA for something. There's a

583
00:24:54.599 --> 00:24:57.720
couple other feds I know that are pretty popular, which interesting.

584
00:24:57.759 --> 00:24:59.400
One of them talk about coming here to compete. Right.

585
00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:01.880
Oh so, Ohran, I think I talk about coming to

586
00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:05.720
Norcow because there is a weird natty bodybuilding uh thing here,

587
00:25:05.799 --> 00:25:07.720
like that's what I don't want to say it started

588
00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:10.039
here by any means, but like there's a real like

589
00:25:10.119 --> 00:25:13.880
tight ening group of folks looking up Doug Miller. That's

590
00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:17.920
what I thought you said, talk about like not naddy allegations,

591
00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:22.160
but yeah, it's maybe Doug Miller. Oh pro that first

592
00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:26.920
one for sure him. There's like non natty allegations and things,

593
00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:29.119
but uh, a lot of people like reckon this guy

594
00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:31.519
to be the best natty bodybuilder of all time.

595
00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:36.759
It's like there there he looks freaky. But then also

596
00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:38.640
it's lighting, good photo flexing.

597
00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:42.200
Yeah, and size right, like everything on TV or INSTAGRAMY

598
00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:44.039
can tell. Like I think Doug's on stage at like

599
00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:48.160
two hundred pounds, you know, for and he's like five.

600
00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:50.039
Well that was the thumbnail. Apparently we have to.

601
00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:51.160
He's like five eight.

602
00:25:51.279 --> 00:25:54.319
Indoor talking video. I'm so over talking videos.

603
00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:57.160
Yeah, just google you just google Doug Miller. Bodybuilding and

604
00:25:57.200 --> 00:26:00.000
go to images or something. What's his name, Doug Miller,

605
00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:01.640
like instagram name.

606
00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:06.039
That was a different instagram sixty six.

607
00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:10.160
K Oh, wow, Yeah, I think you should uh you know,

608
00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:12.599
don't quote me, but I'm pretty sure he's he's close

609
00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:14.960
to two hundred pounds, which is which is very impressive,

610
00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:17.440
but he definitely could be naughty too. I mean, look

611
00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:19.759
at Russ soul Bro. Russ got up to two hundred

612
00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:23.440
pounds easily, uh plus some and looks very similar, you know,

613
00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:28.519
Like I think people under they underestimate, like genetic deviation.

614
00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:31.759
I was gonna say that the genetics maybe the most

615
00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:33.759
important thing in the whole thing.

616
00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:37.359
Yeah, they had that chat, especially for natural Yeah, yeah,

617
00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:39.720
I think for everything on Earth. I think for everything

618
00:26:39.759 --> 00:26:42.279
on Earth, genetics are for the most underrated thing. But

619
00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:45.640
humans are so egotistical. They they want us claim work

620
00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:47.680
ethic and they want to claim mental fortitude, and they

621
00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:50.559
want to claim all these things like and then like they.

622
00:26:50.599 --> 00:26:52.119
Just don't win the genetic lotter. You get on the

623
00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:53.200
other end of it for sure.

624
00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:55.519
Yeah, when the and their arguments like well you have

625
00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:57.880
to work, like yeah, you have to be exposed to

626
00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:01.400
the stimulus, sure, right, Like same with basketball, Like the

627
00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:04.640
best basketball player ever could have never been born near

628
00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:08.839
a hoop, you know, like, yeah, that's possible, but doesn't

629
00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:11.960
mean his genetic disposition doesn't mean he has the opportunity

630
00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:14.200
to be the best basketball player. Like, you need exposure,

631
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:17.559
you need opportunity one hundred percent. And especially something like

632
00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:20.880
bodybuilding where it's just not that popular, the best bodybuilder

633
00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:23.079
of all time could be you know, hidden somewhere for

634
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:23.599
all we know.

635
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:29.960
The interesting thing was that for documentary about natty bodybuilders,

636
00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:34.960
like at least a third of this documentary was talked

637
00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:35.799
about the steroids.

638
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:37.319
Yeah, well you can't.

639
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:40.160
You just can't talk about not natural bodybuilding without talking

640
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:42.680
about steroids. Yeah, that's why I think it probably hurts

641
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:44.839
its popularity because it's just like, no matter what, there's

642
00:27:44.839 --> 00:27:47.079
gonna be people that doubt it. Yeah, people that are

643
00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:50.200
you know, there's never just gonna be this like consensus

644
00:27:50.200 --> 00:27:52.880
that this is like these are natural, that's it. This

645
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:56.599
should be the most celebrated because it's healthy. It's actually

646
00:27:56.599 --> 00:28:00.359
health and fitness related. It's not about being unhealthy.

647
00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:02.160
Except that it is, except that it is.

648
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:03.640
But no one's ever going to view it that way.

649
00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:06.359
Because at the end it is. It is extremely unhealthy.

650
00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:07.240
They did talk about it.

651
00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:07.960
A little bit.

652
00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:10.359
Oh you mean like just like yeah, like the diet

653
00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:12.160
of the cutting. Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

654
00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:14.839
Yeah, but you yeah, but in comparison, yeah, you got

655
00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:17.519
to compare it to what it's healthier. I think it's

656
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:20.440
healthier and unnatty, and then it's definitely healthier than like

657
00:28:20.440 --> 00:28:21.359
the average American.

658
00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:25.839
Yeah, it's just it's it's unhealthy in the periods of

659
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:31.319
like the late prep and right what yeah, well, no,

660
00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:32.839
I'm just it's unhealthy period.

661
00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:33.640
I know, it's not.

662
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:37.200
It's not compared to what it's unhealthy period. They are

663
00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:38.279
not in a good health.

664
00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:40.319
Space on stage.

665
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:43.119
But again I think they're healthy, hydrated sixty percent of America.

666
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:46.640
Their lifestyle in general is probably more healthy, but those

667
00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:48.119
periods of time or not. You know.

668
00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:52.039
Yeah, now I hear what you're saying. But in the

669
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:55.920
bodybuilding world, that is actually more health and fitness than

670
00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:57.480
any other thing, right.

671
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:02.000
Yeah, the natural probably. I'm like, yeah, I even think

672
00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:04.079
in the world that's what I mean comparing. I guess

673
00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:07.720
like everyone's eating pizza, chugging beers, eight beers every Friday,

674
00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:08.559
like that's normal.

675
00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:11.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, so.

676
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:13.880
Like yeah, and again they don't do it for hell,

677
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:15.599
Like I know, the one guy said he did and

678
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:17.440
he did look healthy, like that forty eight year old

679
00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:22.119
is great. Yeah, you know, he looked happy, he looked healthy,

680
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:24.920
skin looks good, all that shit. But but that was

681
00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:27.799
the other Yeah, it's more going back to the genetics.

682
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:31.480
Like I don't know why they always I guess it

683
00:29:31.480 --> 00:29:33.720
depends why you made the movie, right, because if you're

684
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:35.960
if you're trying to go, the whole thing is like

685
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:39.359
a steroid Natty or not chased down right, Like even

686
00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:41.240
the guy, so a lot of the questions of the

687
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:44.319
tall Russian looking cat, they're always just talking about Natty

688
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:48.400
or not and his allegations. Although he didn't look that

689
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:51.359
good to me, to be honest. But uh, you know,

690
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:53.640
for like they were saying, like he's the next coming

691
00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:54.119
or whatever.

692
00:29:54.160 --> 00:29:57.079
But what was that I don't know coming of what?

693
00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:00.400
Yeah, well just because he won, I guess one. I

694
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:01.759
don't know again, And that's what I mean, Like, I

695
00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:04.440
think there's so many federations because I've definitely seen better

696
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:07.559
looking natty bodybuilders that I know for like almost a factor,

697
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:09.839
like even Ryan Doris back in the day, like I

698
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:12.039
know Ryan still trains now, but when Ryan Doris could

699
00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:15.160
be like Ryan looked insane and Ryan's same thing was

700
00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:18.079
like Buck ninety on stage, and I'd put my hat

701
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:19.920
in the ring to say he's natty for sure. I've

702
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:23.119
known Ryan for a long time. Yeah, there's just better

703
00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:25.680
subjects they could have covered, and it does just feel

704
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:27.359
like a natty or not. And then again, the panel

705
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:29.839
they're interviewing is all steroid guys, so like, clearly they're

706
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:31.440
trying to write like Greg Valentino.

707
00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:33.319
I was gonna say that was my questions, like, what

708
00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:36.039
is Greg Valentino doing in this document?

709
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:37.400
That's the guy we talked about the other time that

710
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:40.079
had the world record arms from Synthol. Purely he was

711
00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:42.680
one of the He was the guy with the fucking

712
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:45.759
painted on I didn't notice how painted on his goateee is.

713
00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:48.720
I don't think there was a single follicle.

714
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:50.839
Yeah, it's just a spread.

715
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:53.200
Yeah, no, I swear to god. He had a thin

716
00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:56.079
Michael Jordan mustache and a goateee that I think was

717
00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:58.039
painted on. That's crazy.

718
00:30:58.160 --> 00:31:01.480
Yeah, the whole thing was just fucking It's just blue ass.

719
00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:04.039
Yeah, you know, it was way worse than i'd hoped

720
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:07.039
because I think there is like yeah, and the other

721
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:10.559
thing again, like, because why was Kai in it? Why

722
00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:14.799
is Kaya alluding to being natty? He was like alluding

723
00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:15.440
to being natty.

724
00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:18.240
Isn't a rumor that he was natty until until he

725
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:19.799
got his pro car I think he did.

726
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:21.599
I think he did because I've seen pictures of him

727
00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:24.559
at his IFPV debut. He was like nineteen, and he

728
00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:26.880
looks so different and he looks like he could be Natty.

729
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:28.440
But again, talk about genetics, right.

730
00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:31.039
Like they also show him like cut the cameras off

731
00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:33.279
before he pulls his steroids out, and the other like

732
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:36.039
what was the other one?

733
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:34.319
Uh?

734
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:39.720
The main one? Yeah, the first generation iron He's like

735
00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:43.480
they like basically has a little small fridge in his room, remember,

736
00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:44.720
and he's like, oh yeah, and we got to do

737
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:46.400
the other stuff. And then he's like yeah, yeah, cut

738
00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:48.519
the cameras off kind of thing, and then he fucking

739
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:50.319
it's okay, what are we doing?

740
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:52.480
I don't know any of it. It's just such a

741
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:57.319
weird world. It's a very world. Weird brings weird people

742
00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:00.599
to a weird thing. Yeah, I don't know. It was

743
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:02.319
a trash movie though, I don't I don't know why.

744
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:04.440
It was like they made it to make it. I

745
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:06.400
guess that's what it felt like. What do we have

746
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:08.559
on speed dial? Let's put this thing together right quick,

747
00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:09.960
grab Mike, Mike in here.

748
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:12.240
I think that's the rumor of like them in general,

749
00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:14.200
although it's not like I've talked to people about it,

750
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:17.759
but just like feeling the atmospheres, like they made Generation Iron,

751
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:19.440
which was supposed to be like Pumping Iron two of

752
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:22.160
modern day, and it did like okay, and then they

753
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:24.680
just started whipping out movies on every topic they could,

754
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:27.279
you know, like and then the poor ladies in this

755
00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:28.319
thing like that's how I.

756
00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:29.680
Knew they were in it for like two minutes.

757
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:31.799
Well, well that's all that too. But that's how I

758
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:33.960
know the Olympia isn't the top because again I have

759
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:37.440
no like natty figure pros and they look fucking insane.

760
00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:39.119
The other thing that makes the women's.

761
00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:40.880
But they didn't look that good lady. That one looked

762
00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:42.599
like the best body out there.

763
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:44.880
That's what I'm saying. The other thing, too, is with

764
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:49.160
women if it was bikini or figure until very recently

765
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:51.480
and even still, if you have good genetics, you can

766
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:55.440
compete in IFBB where men just can't right like like

767
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:58.319
they they they physically can keep up to the par

768
00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:03.119
and do well in the IVB being natural just because

769
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:05.240
like yeah once, because that's why like wellness is really

770
00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:09.079
popular now. Or physique like DANIELN. Bailey's world, and that's

771
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:12.279
just getting more jacked and more jacked over time, where

772
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:14.759
figure and bikini just haven't. So a lot of a

773
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:16.720
lot of bikini girls tend to be.

774
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:18.240
What if the other one that lady said she won,

775
00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:20.960
like night gowned or some ship. Yeah, all.

776
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:28.480
Ship they have like close.

777
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:34.799
Like you know, like a long ball gown like you'd

778
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:35.519
weard we'll ball.

779
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:37.880
Yeah, there's competition still where you'll.

780
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:39.720
Do it the same place as the Olympia apparent.

781
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:43.680
Yeah, yeah, the arnold where you're it might be old

782
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:46.480
school wellness because new wellness is just like centaur ass

783
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:48.880
body like Brazilians dominate that thing. It's just like big

784
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:52.079
old legs Jack Delt's. But they have old school ones,

785
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:54.559
one like aerobic ship where they're doing like push ups

786
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:57.119
and backflips in a bikini, and then there's one where

787
00:33:57.160 --> 00:33:59.799
you come out in like a more like Miss America

788
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:02.519
where you're doing a bikini but you're jacked. You're doing

789
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:04.640
maybe not a talent, but you're doing like a gown.

790
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:09.440
You're doing like a nightgown. You're doing and you're not

791
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:11.599
saying like, yeah, world peace for everyone kind of thing.

792
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:13.880
I don't think there's an interview, but do you wear

793
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:17.800
like two or three different things? Actually, the first time

794
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:20.159
I was ever like exposed to bodybuilding I think really

795
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:25.280
was my uh orchestra teacher growing up like sixth to

796
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:28.079
fifth through like eighth grade. She did like the physique stuff,

797
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:29.960
and I always know it's her biceps. Obviously she's fucking

798
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:34.320
jacked in tan and like fucking directing me. But I

799
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:36.320
think she used to do more like that kind of stuff,

800
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:40.079
kind of the push ups. It almost looks like cheerleading ish,

801
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:43.000
you're like jack cheerleading almost.

802
00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:47.440
Well, Miss Universe like does ball gown? I can't find

803
00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:50.320
like a bodybuilding federation doing it?

804
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:53.159
Is that same Miss Universe's bodybuilding though? Is that Miss

805
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:56.559
Universe Universe? Yeah? It is regular Miss Universe because obviously,

806
00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:59.280
like Arnold was Mister Universe for a second two Like

807
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:03.079
Universe I think in the sixty seventies was above Olympia.

808
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:07.400
You got Arnold in the documentary randomly just talking shit

809
00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:11.280
about the current state of like pro bodybuilding proportions.

810
00:35:11.480 --> 00:35:12.519
Yeah, which is funny.

811
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:14.559
Yeah, it's like don't look good.

812
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:16.960
But that's because he also like tiptoes the line of

813
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:18.920
being natty, like he he didn't like admit to any

814
00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:21.920
pds until like a year ago. You know, he always

815
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:23.679
like just kind of like crawled around it.

816
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:26.360
Well he always claimed too, it's like no no gear

817
00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:27.719
until like three months out.

818
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:30.239
Yeah, and it was only d ball and it was

819
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:33.239
only you know that's when I remember to dake it

820
00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:33.800
or whatever.

821
00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:36.920
Yeah, yeah, that's what he claimed at least. Yeah, it

822
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:39.480
was like we didn't really use drugs until like the

823
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:41.880
last stretch of the training and then that was it.

824
00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:44.199
And then yeah, everything.

825
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:45.960
Else was just like working out eight hours a day

826
00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:47.880
and fucking eating our faces off and.

827
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:50.840
Yeah, which proves even more it's just genetics. Same thing.

828
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:53.639
There's those young pictures of Arnold, like powerlifting when he's eighteen,

829
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:55.280
and he looks the same, just smaller.

830
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:58.159
Yeah, so this is there's the factor too, like we

831
00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:00.280
tend to forget about or people tend to forget about it. Yeah,

832
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:03.880
these dudes are literally training two three times a day. Yeah,

833
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:06.800
they're eating fucking five seven thousand calories a day. It's

834
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:10.119
like like clean food. It's like if anybody does that,

835
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:13.159
like you're gonna get results. Genetics are not.

836
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:15.360
There. We go.

837
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:19.599
That's the US This is the natty bodybuilding.

838
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:19.960
Got it?

839
00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:21.440
Oh, I can see why this could be a thing.

840
00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:23.840
It makes sense, you can. This is where shoulders are

841
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:27.880
very important. Yeah, and like the chest the pack line.

842
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:30.960
Yes, even USBF, not that I don't even know if

843
00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:33.239
I've heard of it, Like I think they. I think

844
00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:35.480
the director just didn't know that much about like the

845
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:40.400
culture because like pro bodybuildings so easy. There's IFBB and

846
00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:43.559
like that's it. Like there's some WBFF in Australia and

847
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:47.159
some places that are more popular, but like IFBB's world

848
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:50.480
renown the place to go, right, it's the NBA where

849
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:52.880
they just don't have that naughty, natty bodybuilding. So I

850
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:54.840
don't think he did like his research to like who

851
00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:57.360
to talk to because it could be good. It could

852
00:36:57.360 --> 00:36:59.480
be better than the other ones, you know. Yeah, I

853
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:00.760
think it could, especially.

854
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:01.840
For the women at least. I think it's probably way

855
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:04.360
more popular with the women than the men. Yeah, they

856
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:05.639
all wants to go up on stage and to look

857
00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:06.760
at one hundred and thirty five pounds.

858
00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:11.239
Man, Yeah, that's true, don't Yeah, but and it both

859
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:13.519
of them are more popular now than ever, like like

860
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:15.119
kind of like you said, like run the five k

861
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:17.320
on the weekend type sport. Some people just.

862
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:19.159
Try to do it. Yeah, some people then they start

863
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:19.599
doing gear.

864
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:22.000
Yeah, and a lot of them go to NBC and

865
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:24.360
get embarrassed, you know, because they don't. Again, the world

866
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:27.559
doesn't know about Natty bodybuilding. That's why this documentary could

867
00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:29.280
have had like a real impact.

868
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:31.760
I thought, you know, it's too early, or maybe it

869
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:34.199
was made too early. It wasn't popular enough to twenty

870
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:36.360
twenty natural bodybuilding. I don't think I think it was

871
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:37.840
just as popular as now though, think so.

872
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:38.239
Yeah.

873
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:40.199
TikTok though, like TikTok is made I feel like, made

874
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:41.239
it way more popular.

875
00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:42.679
I don't know, I can't think.

876
00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:45.920
What do you think I'm I don't think like that.

877
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:48.719
I just don't think Natty bodybuilding is like popular now either.

878
00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:51.239
Like I don't see the growth. Yeah, I think the

879
00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:54.679
growth was from like twenty twelve, Like Natty's not cool anymore.

880
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:56.679
Like Natty it was cool to be Natty like twenty

881
00:37:56.719 --> 00:37:58.599
eleven and twenty I think everything's.

882
00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:01.159
Just more freaky now. Yeah, yeah, freaks kids getting on

883
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:02.519
gear at like fourteen.

884
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:06.800
No, like napologetically like their YouTube channel is trend twins.

885
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:09.920
That's the name of the channel. Kid looks like.

886
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.440
They're just the fucking bottom feeders of the society though

887
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:16.400
they're just degenerates.

888
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:18.679
But again, like yeah, that's what's gonna get popular. So

889
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:21.559
like that that argument of this stuff was probably right,

890
00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:23.840
Like oh, like IFV is going to be popular because

891
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:26.239
people want to see a freak show, like yeah, like

892
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:27.920
you don't want to go bro, have you ever tried

893
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:30.719
to watch like a men's league basketball game, Like it's

894
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:33.000
the most painful thing you could ever watch in your life, right,

895
00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:34.719
Like you want to see the ball go through the net,

896
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:37.119
like you want to see Lebron James, you know. And

897
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:39.199
it's the same with bodybuilding, like yeah, you don't want

898
00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:42.840
to see like the one thousand's the kind of best,

899
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:45.599
Like you do want to see the fucking freaky beast.

900
00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:50.400
Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to watch someone's dad brick it

901
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:51.239
from me, you.

902
00:38:51.159 --> 00:39:00.199
Know, right well, and on top of it, like one

903
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:04.159
of it's truly popular because like no random person's like man,

904
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:05.960
I really I'm gonna go to the Olympia. I want

905
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:09.800
to see the stage tonight, right, Like it's popular to

906
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:12.800
go there when you're already in the industry. If you're

907
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:14.880
in the industry, you want to go see it. Or

908
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.519
if you're like twenty years old and just getting into lifting,

909
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:19.800
you might be into it. But like they act also

910
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:24.159
like the IFBB, Like the Olympia's like fucking the super Bowl,

911
00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:24.280
Like I.

912
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:27.800
Don't understud what is it? Why? Okay, we might throw

913
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:31.519
this into another direction, but like feel free. It's just

914
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:33.800
like you look at this like CrossFit now being for

915
00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:38.280
sale again, right, It's just like you're like, who's stupid

916
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:39.599
enough to fucking buy this?

917
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:41.719
It's gotta be a fire sale, right, I mean.

918
00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:44.440
Kind of yeah, But it's just like I understand if

919
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:46.199
you're buying it for like the numbers like the last

920
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:48.880
people did. But it's like this is never gonna be

921
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:52.039
I got too big thing. I gonna be a big sport.

922
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:54.679
I got two purchasers for the CrossFit.

923
00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:56.639
Yep, Donald Junior.

924
00:39:56.320 --> 00:40:00.199
One of them. Maybe Donnie is deadlift Donny Junior.

925
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:02.559
Or like it goes to a across a gym or

926
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:04.840
wherever you and people think he might potentially be putting

927
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:06.280
together like affirmed to buy.

928
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:07.920
It maybe, I mean they got the money, but the

929
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:10.840
one is high rocks, right, because you're buying it for

930
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:11.320
the data.

931
00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:14.360
Yeah, you're buying it to Yeah. Well the people that

932
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:17.119
are actually buying it, I think it's their own hustle

933
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:18.119
up app and they.

934
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:21.039
Own someone buying it for sure. Yeah. Yeah, God didn't

935
00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:21.519
know there's a buyer.

936
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:24.400
There's already like this, like there's a there's a pretty

937
00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:25.519
good line direct line.

938
00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:29.320
The other idea is Rebok, dude, rebox broke man. We

939
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:32.800
I mean cross was broke to Like they can't be

940
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:35.559
charged to ten bill, you know, like they've got a

941
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:37.199
lot of offer you either you have a death, you

942
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:38.039
have bloody hands.

943
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:40.719
Buying got out at like the perfect time when he

944
00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:43.760
like got kicked out. Well yeah, yes, and no, there's

945
00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:47.079
also there was also a there's a whole thing with

946
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:51.960
that too, where he was people were basically putting out

947
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:56.960
information and false bullshit that's been completely debunked just to

948
00:40:57.039 --> 00:40:59.360
drive the price down so that there are people can

949
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:00.159
buy it from it.

950
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:02.960
Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of that shit going on

951
00:41:03.079 --> 00:41:05.400
and it's been proven. But I could see Rebalk making

952
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:07.440
a move at it right because that was the prime

953
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:09.760
and like if they double back down on fitness, Like

954
00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:12.679
I know they hired Shack to be like their CMO

955
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:14.360
in a sense, and so he's trying to do some

956
00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:15.159
basketball stuff.

957
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:16.519
But like, I don't how much you guys have been

958
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:19.880
looking into it, but the uh, the World Fitness Project,

959
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:23.039
they're going to start opening up like affiliate programs too.

960
00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:24.239
Now, oh interesting, And.

961
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:25.719
They're the ones that came in to try and start

962
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:30.719
this new competition series to kind of compete with the Games,

963
00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:33.679
and they've gotten some big people, but they're kind of

964
00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:35.440
doing like the live method, where like these people are

965
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:37.920
getting like a wage.

966
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:39.119
To compete stipend or something.

967
00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:41.840
Yeah, and it's all kind of this upfront like hope,

968
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:43.960
but it's like we've seen this before that would we

969
00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:46.079
have the grid league that had the best athletes at

970
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:48.440
the peak of CrossFit. I think it was filed, I

971
00:41:48.440 --> 00:41:50.719
thought for sure, but it failed miserably in the blue

972
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:54.039
thirty million dollars in like a year, and it would dissolved, right.

973
00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:57.159
I think the affiliate and even like franchising in general,

974
00:41:57.239 --> 00:41:57.960
like it's still.

975
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.800
Around it like not like yeah it's a circus now,

976
00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:02.599
it's pretty much just Florida.

977
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:05.639
It's just Florida, Cli Gridley, now, yeah, just all those

978
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:08.079
things in terms of fitness. Just it's kind of like

979
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:10.840
the barrier to entry to open a gym is so

980
00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:13.000
low now when you have Google and like all the

981
00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:14.880
access in the world. There's not a lot of like

982
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:17.840
benefit to an affiliate or anything of that nature anymore,

983
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:20.320
unless you're like a giant gym, right if you're any

984
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:22.679
time where the name's going to actually attract. But we

985
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:25.039
even saw that towards the end of when CrossFit was

986
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:28.079
doing okay, we saw the affiliate not really help the

987
00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:29.199
affiliates as much.

988
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:32.280
Well, the problem, the biggest problem right now in the

989
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:36.719
CrossFit space is that HQ isn't doing anything for the affiliates.

990
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:36.800
That's what I mean.

991
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:38.760
But even at the beginning, but they've they've lost their

992
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:42.000
focus and lost their drive. It's all been focused on

993
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:45.800
the competitive side and not about getting people into affiliates.

994
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:47.639
I just think the value offer to begin with, I

995
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:49.519
don't even know how they would turn it up because

996
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:53.039
the barrier to entry for gyms of that nature are

997
00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:56.199
so low. You can just replicate it yourself and market yourself,

998
00:42:56.679 --> 00:42:57.239
you know what I mean.

999
00:42:57.280 --> 00:42:58.800
I think it's just there's a lot of these people

1000
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:01.559
that own gyms just don't know how to do marketing, right,

1001
00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:04.519
So if they had, if HQ was doing more stuff

1002
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:06.840
with like bringing people in to summits that you're paying,

1003
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:08.519
you're paying all this money every year. Okay, Like, okay,

1004
00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:11.719
we're gonna host our like marketing summit, you know, whether

1005
00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:13.159
it's online or you can come in personally. This is

1006
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.719
how you're gonna get new people in. Here's some new strategies. Yeah, yeah,

1007
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:17.519
here's things you should be doing in your gym, but

1008
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:19.360
having more more access to.

1009
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:20.599
But even that you just google.

1010
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:21.880
Yeah, people don't.

1011
00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:23.480
People don't. I know, I know, but I know that.

1012
00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:26.840
My point is just that there's no benefit, like there's

1013
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:30.639
no scalability in running that model of business anymore.

1014
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:33.599
Yeah, it's different now, I don't disagree with you.

1015
00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:36.280
Yeah, like running gyms is running gyms unless you're twenty

1016
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:39.480
four hour fitness right. And like food franchises makes sense

1017
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:43.000
because they got a proprietary recipe. There's nothing proprietary about

1018
00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:44.519
a box gym with weights.

1019
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:48.840
Some people do want the uh, you know, they want

1020
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:51.639
us to google CrossFit right and like be an affiliate

1021
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:53.400
or go you go to There was a time you

1022
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:55.360
go to the search engine. Now yeah, I don't know.

1023
00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:57.320
Man, there was a time, there was a time.

1024
00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:00.119
The affiliates are still doing okay, though doing well, like

1025
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:00.800
they're still.

1026
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:02.719
Aren't they like declining by thirty percent?

1027
00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:03.679
I don't think so.

1028
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:07.559
Really, every gym I know in Sacramento took away the affiliate.

1029
00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:11.039
Well you mean, like, are they de affiliating. Yeah, maybe

1030
00:44:11.079 --> 00:44:13.360
that they definitely have dropped my point, But my point

1031
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:16.159
is the business model of affiliates. Yeah, yeah, maybe is

1032
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:18.400
not thriving. And I can't see a way.

1033
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:20.800
Well the members the members are not going anywhere, like

1034
00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:21.880
the memberships are still.

1035
00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:23.559
No those type of gyms are doing fine. But my

1036
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:25.400
point is the affiliate business model.

1037
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:28.000
Well, they built their entire model though and use that

1038
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:29.880
to their advantage all those years. Then when they were

1039
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:32.039
at a comfortable place, they cut it off.

1040
00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:34.559
Sure yeah, yeah, yeah, But I think you could do

1041
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:36.480
a new one right now the same way with no affiliate,

1042
00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:39.320
is my point. You could probably, yeah.

1043
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:41.880
Because of what people are going for the community and

1044
00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:44.599
for the programming. I mean people who go to across

1045
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:48.280
the gyms in general, gen pop people they're just looking

1046
00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:49.599
for somebody tell them what to do.

1047
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:50.280
Yes, for sure.

1048
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:53.480
Yeah, yeah, the class model, but that's again everywhere. Yeah,

1049
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:55.199
you know that's not exclusive.

1050
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:57.039
To coross fit or functional fitness of any kind.

1051
00:44:57.400 --> 00:44:58.960
I think if the I think if you were like

1052
00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:01.320
coming into it fresh blood, you would never own a

1053
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:05.079
gym before. You would be better off affiliating personally than

1054
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:09.360
just trying to do a rogue like random strained conditioning

1055
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:12.960
gym that's basically CrossFit knockoff. I think you'll probably be

1056
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:17.000
better off still affiliating, for sure. Interesting in my opinion.

1057
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:19.000
Yeah, was it thirty g's.

1058
00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:22.519
It's like two or three grand a month, I mean

1059
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:24.000
for the year, I mean, excuse me, annual.

1060
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:24.840
Huh.

1061
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:27.639
Yeah, it's not expensive, but you don't get a whole

1062
00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:29.000
lot for one couple hundred bucks a month.

1063
00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:31.559
Yeah, two g's a year is not crazy. I don't

1064
00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:32.800
know why those like thirty g's.

1065
00:45:33.519 --> 00:45:34.800
If that was the case, no one would make no

1066
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:35.920
one know these gyms would exist.

1067
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:38.880
Yeah, I don't know, early days, bro, I feel like

1068
00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:40.960
I feel like I feel like early days, You're right,

1069
00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:43.480
like it made sense because people would travel anywhere and

1070
00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:46.360
they just name CrossFit mattered, So you'd google cross it,

1071
00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:49.320
you'd go to your closest CrossFit you know, but that's

1072
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:52.960
just been ten years gone, you know, and especially with

1073
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:55.159
the competitors like a high Rocks, and I know a

1074
00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:59.159
lot of like CrossFit gyms are running like high Rocks trainings. Yeah,

1075
00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:02.159
and then like four five orange theory, right, those are

1076
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:06.000
the soccer moms a CrossFit let alone. Again, like the

1077
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:08.639
the issues with CrossFit in general, like talk about programming,

1078
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:10.719
like they have no programming, and that's the issue, right,

1079
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:13.440
there's no put together brain programming.

1080
00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:15.679
It's like, well, there is, but it's usually done by

1081
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:18.159
like these ex athletes now that are making all of

1082
00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:18.639
the money.

1083
00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:21.559
No, but even I guess my definition of programming is

1084
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:24.639
not a workout. Those guys write workouts.

1085
00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:25.920
What do you mean?

1086
00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:31.880
So programming has to have like scalability progression like teachability, right.

1087
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:33.639
And like you have all that though, like you go

1088
00:46:33.719 --> 00:46:36.960
like if you join like you know, brute strength or

1089
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:40.320
like uh mayhem, grout strength, route.

1090
00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:42.280
Strength has like real strength and conditioning coaches for sure,

1091
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:44.519
but like sodas like main the biggest ones now are

1092
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:48.599
like HWPO Matt Frazier's right, and then like mayhem, but

1093
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:51.679
that's so ruched down already, Like when you go to cross.

1094
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.960
Fit there, but they're doing all They're not just doing

1095
00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:56.039
CrossFit on those apps now, they're doing everything.

1096
00:46:56.039 --> 00:46:58.280
That's what I'm saying, which is programming. But when when

1097
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:00.599
you're talking about CrossFit, the affiliate model and what is

1098
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:03.800
known for the last fifteen years, CrossFit just posts like yeah,

1099
00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:05.920
work workouts. So that's my point, and they show scale

1100
00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:09.079
and we're talking mass scale of gym when we're talking

1101
00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:14.159
hundreds of thousands of or tens of thousands of CrossFit gyms. Yeah,

1102
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:15.840
I've been to them. I mean, you've been to more

1103
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:17.440
than I have. But I've been with the best, and

1104
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:19.519
I've been to the normal ones. Yeah they're just throwing

1105
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:20.400
workouts at the wall.

1106
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:23.199
Some do yeah, yeah, for sure.

1107
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:25.599
No, that's like the majority, and so like that's why

1108
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:26.480
people got injured.

1109
00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:30.519
If you have good coaching, they have like a plan, right,

1110
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:31.320
like a month or.

1111
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:33.440
Six week plan. But what percentage is that?

1112
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:36.360
It's hard to say these days.

1113
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:36.760
I don't know.

1114
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:39.920
I think even it's changed and it's prime. I maybe

1115
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:42.280
because I was closer to the people that own these gyms,

1116
00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:44.000
like a lot of them did have that really and

1117
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:45.760
do still like Danny does obviously.

1118
00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:49.440
Yeah, but Danny has a real weightlifting background. Yeah, he's

1119
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:52.039
a rare breed. That's my point. Some dude, just I'm

1120
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:54.599
just pointing out why the affiliate system sucked and why

1121
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:58.440
it failed. Yeah, because they go to CrossFit dot com

1122
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:01.119
random workout right, it on the ran a board, don't

1123
00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:02.519
really even know how to do the list because they

1124
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:05.840
don't have a weightlifting background, and then they're teaching those things.

1125
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:07.800
They got, they got to this point now, yeah, where

1126
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:09.559
they're there was a point where they got where they

1127
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:13.000
are still. And there's all these people that were hobbyist gyms, right, yeah,

1128
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:15.760
Oh I loved CrossFit. I'm gonna go start my own.

1129
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:18.480
I think that was the majority. There was a huge amount. Yeah, right,

1130
00:48:18.519 --> 00:48:21.920
if gyms are mostly gone now. But so it's CrossFit,

1131
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:25.159
it's not as it's not definitely not at its peak,

1132
00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:26.719
and I don't even think it's close.

1133
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:29.480
Probably not because if those things again, like if all

1134
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:31.320
these things I'm saying lined up, then there would be

1135
00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:32.199
no F forty five.

1136
00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:34.960
The problem with cross though, two's gonna remember it was

1137
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:39.280
the it was the fastest growing franchise in the history

1138
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:42.400
of franchises. Yeah, I'm sure at its peak, I'm sure

1139
00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:46.800
CrossFit was like the fastest world's fastest growing franchise, right,

1140
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:50.159
which again leads to my exactly, buttry also means like

1141
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:53.159
high highs and then it's got nowhere else to go

1142
00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:53.559
but down.

1143
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:55.920
Yeah. Well the quality to yeah, well not only like

1144
00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:59.280
size wise, but I think it can continue or maintain.

1145
00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:03.639
But the ability to maintain the quality and not have

1146
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:07.079
that's all business, right, like to scale. If you don't

1147
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:10.719
have your x's and o's locked in, then you're done, right,

1148
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:12.360
like you then you're built on hype.

1149
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:16.519
Yeah, well, the culture's gone in CrossFit, like for sure,

1150
00:49:16.679 --> 00:49:20.320
the well half the guys aren't even competing this year. Yeah,

1151
00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:22.800
like they're Yeah, they're doing these WFP things, which is

1152
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:24.519
like also the same you're still doing CrossFit.

1153
00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:26.119
There they're doing high rocks or whatever.

1154
00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:27.760
And a couple of them do high rocks because they

1155
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:29.360
were paid by high Rocks to do it and they

1156
00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:31.039
had fun and did it and blah blah blah.

1157
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:33.320
Yeah. I watch a whole high Rocks thing, like a

1158
00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:36.519
highlight tape of like an event, and it literally looks

1159
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:39.679
like old CrossFit, you know, like in terms of the

1160
00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:41.800
crowd being excited. But I don't think that will last

1161
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:42.679
either the high Rocks.

1162
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:44.519
Yeah, well it's not even do that's just that's like

1163
00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:48.079
that's just running. No, they're running and then doing wall balls,

1164
00:49:48.079 --> 00:49:49.920
but it's ninety percent running. If you if you don't

1165
00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:52.440
get it running, you're gonna do terrible. You gotta do

1166
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:54.400
one sled push and then it's all running.

1167
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:57.119
I'm just talking about growth in hype in general. I

1168
00:49:57.119 --> 00:49:59.559
think High Rocks is pure hype too, because like what

1169
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:02.920
crowd wants to watch? Yeah, running, But also.

1170
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:06.800
It's like where's the Yeah, where is the training for

1171
00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:09.159
high Rocks, Like you're not going to open high Rocks gyms,

1172
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:10.880
Like hig Rocks isn't going to open affiliates.

1173
00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:12.559
I don't know, dude, they might have them in Europe

1174
00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:13.039
or something.

1175
00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:14.800
They might they might be like one or two hubs

1176
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:16.840
or something. But it's like, what do you like, you're

1177
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:19.480
training four movements so exclusively, like what are we doing?

1178
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:23.400
Yeah? I mean it's yeah, whatever muscle endurance conditioning you

1179
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:23.719
would do.

1180
00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:26.360
Yeah, you know, it all comes down to the running,

1181
00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:28.360
which is here we go.

1182
00:50:33.519 --> 00:50:37.559
So in two thousand and five, there were thirteen affiliates.

1183
00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:41.840
By twenty eighteen, there were fifteen thousand affiliates.

1184
00:50:41.480 --> 00:50:44.079
Just worldwide, which is peak. This is peak peak.

1185
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:49.800
Yeah, in twenty twenty there was a decrease because of.

1186
00:50:51.519 --> 00:50:53.920
The glassmen and COVID glassmen in COVID.

1187
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:58.000
Yeah, it recovered in twenty twenty two to around twelve thousand,

1188
00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:03.760
five hundred thirteen plus in twenty twenty three eleven thousand,

1189
00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:06.960
four hundred last year. By by now, it's done in

1190
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:07.760
ninety nine.

1191
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:08.599
More than I expected.

1192
00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:11.159
Yeah, nine nine hundred is also you know, that's after

1193
00:51:11.360 --> 00:51:15.280
the game's controversy, the Lazarduchic death.

1194
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:19.159
Yeah, but you wonder, like everything's always delayed in business, right,

1195
00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:22.320
Like that's probably those obviously play a large factor. But

1196
00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:24.840
when I look at that calendar and I think of

1197
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:27.199
CrossFit because I went to the games for whatever ten

1198
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:30.719
years straight, you know, and the real cross of games

1199
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:33.159
to me was like twenty fifteen to twenty eighteen, right

1200
00:51:33.199 --> 00:51:35.599
because of you, like you said, the culture and so

1201
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:40.000
like the repercussions. It's almost like a chicken or the egg,

1202
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:42.559
you know, like was it the glassman and was it

1203
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:45.239
the yeah, the deaths or was it just like cultures

1204
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:45.719
already dying.

1205
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:48.039
I mean these numbers, these numbers look like c K

1206
00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:50.440
you know, like percentage drop offs. You know what I mean,

1207
00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:54.400
it's all like track it, Yeah, exactly, It's like it's

1208
00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:56.599
higher than I see. I feel all this and see it,

1209
00:51:56.639 --> 00:51:58.760
you know what I mean. Like it's definitely like you know,

1210
00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:01.480
it feels like, yeah, everything's down about twenty thirty on

1211
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:02.599
all levels, right.

1212
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:05.519
Like yeah, I want Yeah, I don't know that even

1213
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:07.480
those numbers are interesting to you, because I wonder like.

1214
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:10.480
OVERSEASO they were apparently like still expanding at a pretty

1215
00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:13.559
rapid rate really like the UK, they kind of switched

1216
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:19.280
their focus to the European market because it was it

1217
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:21.280
was it was obviously they're delayed over there, right, So

1218
00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:24.239
it's like, did you go to like Soul Korea? CrossFit

1219
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:26.639
is like how it was here in twenty sixteen, Dude,

1220
00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:29.039
it's like the coolest shit you can possibly do.

1221
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:31.400
Yeah, fitness in Asia in general just starting to go

1222
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:34.000
bananas in like twenty eighteen. So now it's I do

1223
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:38.079
wonder that those affiliates too, like of that rate changed

1224
00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:40.679
a bunch question, you know, like how many of those

1225
00:52:41.679 --> 00:52:45.079
stuck around from twenty eighteen? Yeah, of those nine of

1226
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:46.960
those nine k and how many of them are new?

1227
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:50.039
Yeah? The problem is that you know this all you know,

1228
00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:53.480
it's interesting. It's just the whole, the whole lazard thing.

1229
00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:57.280
That's a whole other podcast. But I think you just

1230
00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:00.760
had a lot of people that were like they were

1231
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:04.000
not getting any value and it just use that as

1232
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:07.199
a way to get out Scott free, guilt free, whatever

1233
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:08.719
they felt it.

1234
00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:10.559
Yeah, it turns out that it's not what they thought

1235
00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:13.880
it was in some ways. They thought there was all

1236
00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:15.719
about community, and it's like, oh, well, you know, we

1237
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:18.159
had an athlete die, but we sort of don't really

1238
00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:21.800
give enough of a shit to keep it from happening again,

1239
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:24.559
and we didn't give enough of a shit to keep

1240
00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:26.239
it happen from happening in the first place.

1241
00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:30.679
And I just, man, I just I'm happy I didn't

1242
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:31.840
have to deal with that situation.

1243
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:33.360
Yeah, I know, kidding, huh, But what do you do

1244
00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:36.719
as an athlete? Like, because these issues have been everywhere,

1245
00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:40.719
whether it be safety or underpaid or undervalued or whatever. Right, Like,

1246
00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:44.199
point to any sport we all watch, right, you point

1247
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:47.519
to the UFC, You point to powerlifting. Talk about bodybuilding.

1248
00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:50.159
That dude fucking is forty eight years old, dedicated his

1249
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:53.480
whole life to bodybuilding and won two grand Right talk

1250
00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:57.920
about like undervalued, underpaid, underappreciated. So like, at what point

1251
00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:02.639
are you being, like, do you take accountability as an athlete?

1252
00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:05.480
And said, well, I went too deep as an athlete

1253
00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:08.199
to not have a job or responsibility thinking I deserve

1254
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:10.840
five hundred k a year just to like do some

1255
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:11.719
double unders.

1256
00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:14.679
Well, then the whole dude, the CrossFit athletes, there's this.

1257
00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:17.599
There's well, that's that's what drives the whole thing, right.

1258
00:54:18.199 --> 00:54:19.559
I don't think so. Man, At the end of the day,

1259
00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:20.000
I don't.

1260
00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:22.800
Think CrossFit became cool because of the games and the athletes.

1261
00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:25.920
No, because it was already co It was at its

1262
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:27.239
coolest before all that.

1263
00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:28.480
I feel like that.

1264
00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:31.599
Was always like money. But dude, like the games was

1265
00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:34.719
a money suck go lastly, was trying to get out

1266
00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:38.039
of the games, like basically before he kind of quit,

1267
00:54:38.119 --> 00:54:40.800
he was trying to reshape the whole focus because it

1268
00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:44.000
was affecting the bottom line, which was the affiliates. I

1269
00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:45.800
don't know if you can point to that though, Dude,

1270
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:48.480
he can because the games cost him thirty million dollars.

1271
00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:50.119
Right, But so say you snap your fingers and the

1272
00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:52.079
games never happened. I don't think CrossFit is what it

1273
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:55.079
is because the effects aren't always bottom line, like the

1274
00:54:55.119 --> 00:54:55.800
culture matters.

1275
00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:59.239
Sony rephrase, I phrase that it wasn't the games. The

1276
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:03.079
games definitely was good for CrossFit, but it was supposed

1277
00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:07.320
to be the original intention up until you know, Reebok

1278
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:11.920
got involved. It was already super popular right before Rebok

1279
00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:15.440
the CrossFit Games, and it was like a party. It

1280
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:16.159
was a festival.

1281
00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:17.559
It was it wasn't like.

1282
00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:20.199
It wasn't a sport. It was like it was a sport,

1283
00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:23.360
but it wasn't like televised. They weren't worried about televising

1284
00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:25.239
and all this crap that they thought was gonna help them.

1285
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:27.840
Like they were at they were like at the fastest

1286
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:30.239
growing rate they were before that, and then that.

1287
00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:31.559
Happened before Carson.

1288
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:35.000
Yeah, they were like on their trajectory was like full

1289
00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:35.679
steam ahead.

1290
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:38.119
How many years did they even do the ranch? I

1291
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:40.199
thought it was like two years, three years than their Carson.

1292
00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:42.000
No, dude, they were doing no, No, they were doing

1293
00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:43.840
it for like way longer than that. I think the

1294
00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:45.440
first one was in like two thousand and three or

1295
00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:48.239
some shit. Oh like there they were doing the games

1296
00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:50.119
for a minute. We have to look it up when

1297
00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:53.840
the first one was. But no, dude, Yeah, Carson was

1298
00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:56.079
like the first like mainstream one.

1299
00:55:56.119 --> 00:55:58.360
That's what I mean. I just feel like because you

1300
00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:00.639
can't like always just go by data right. Data doesn't

1301
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:04.440
tell the whole story if you have the wrong data right,

1302
00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:09.039
like without the without like a rich frowning leading like coolness. Yeah,

1303
00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:10.880
the affiliates don't scale across like.

1304
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:12.760
I got into I didn't get into cross it because

1305
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:13.400
of rich frowning.

1306
00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:18.079
Yeah, but you're not normal. You're not the like you're

1307
00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:20.360
a lot of people. You just spent the last fifteen

1308
00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:23.079
years in this shit industry. You're not normal. Yeah, you

1309
00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:23.559
know what I mean.

1310
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:24.039
That's fair.

1311
00:56:24.079 --> 00:56:26.199
Like when we're talking about and you and I aren't

1312
00:56:26.199 --> 00:56:28.840
moving the needle of CrossFit, like the gen popper moving

1313
00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:30.960
the needle across fit. Sure, pure data.

1314
00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:35.119
You talk about the soccer market a little early.

1315
00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:37.159
Right, and Carson's like twenty ten, twenty.

1316
00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:38.639
Eleven, The first one was twelve.

1317
00:56:40.639 --> 00:56:42.840
My point is just like same thing with basketball, like

1318
00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:45.719
without the NBA, Like what like, I know basketball is

1319
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:47.519
not the same because it's not one entity to making

1320
00:56:47.559 --> 00:56:49.639
all the money. But let's say basketball is making money,

1321
00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:53.280
Like yeah, like a lot of pro teams don't make

1322
00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:56.039
that much money every year, but without Lebron James, like

1323
00:56:56.079 --> 00:56:59.000
basketball is not cool. The kid isn't picking up the ball. Yeah,

1324
00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:04.760
and then affiliates don't want to sign on. I mean

1325
00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:06.599
that's why, like the model worked, because then they would

1326
00:57:06.679 --> 00:57:09.199
hire these motherfuckers to go do the seminars. Right, it

1327
00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:11.440
was half the cool games athletes doing the seminar.

1328
00:57:11.679 --> 00:57:13.239
Did you really want the seminar staff yet?

1329
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:14.800
Right? Did you want to go do the seminar because

1330
00:57:14.800 --> 00:57:16.800
you really wanted to perfect your double under You're like, oh, dude,

1331
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:19.000
I want to see Jason KLEEFA Jason kleep is gonna

1332
00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:20.480
teach me how to do it, and so you're gonna

1333
00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:23.519
go there, right, Like it was a perfect storm of

1334
00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:26.119
all that stuff. And so like if Glassman did just

1335
00:57:26.159 --> 00:57:28.000
take away the Games, I think that's I think that's.

1336
00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:29.400
Why they're gonna They weren't gonna take it away, but

1337
00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:32.039
I think they wanted to downscale it backup being fine.

1338
00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:34.679
And I understand losing money, like you have to address

1339
00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:37.360
that too, but money isn't just like a direct day

1340
00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:39.079
to b like you have to understand that culture.

1341
00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:43.920
Yeah, So the ranch was three years, twenty ten post

1342
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:44.960
seven to nine.

1343
00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:46.679
So I said that shits hella early because I went

1344
00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:49.000
in like twenty twelve and it was already fucking like

1345
00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:49.760
the super Bowl.

1346
00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:52.599
Yeah, okay, twenty ten then okay, so three years in

1347
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:55.880
cars three years of the Ranch, ten through sixteen at

1348
00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:58.199
carsent and then that's what they left Carson. That's when

1349
00:57:58.280 --> 00:57:58.880
wrong with the shit.

1350
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:03.440
Yeah, that wasn't the greatest decision because it seemed like Carson.

1351
00:58:03.199 --> 00:58:05.199
Wenna, but like Madison was fucking terrible.

1352
00:58:05.239 --> 00:58:06.920
Now, it seemed like Carson went like I think I

1353
00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:09.079
went the last year before it moved and it was

1354
00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:12.119
still like and again like yeah, I don't know the finance,

1355
00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:14.079
I mean it crushed, yeah, but it still was like

1356
00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:16.760
crush there. Yeah, still still was like cool and that's

1357
00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:18.440
like the factor. Sometimes you got to eat a little

1358
00:58:18.440 --> 00:58:19.199
money to be cool.

1359
00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:21.519
Yeah, you know it was cool there, I like, I mean,

1360
00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:23.320
I had my best times in my life there.

1361
00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:25.480
When all the athletes enjoyed it, like right, we didn't

1362
00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:27.960
have these other issues. And obviously scaling something again to

1363
00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:30.800
this level with so many moving pieces, because you have

1364
00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:33.920
the affiliates, you have, the seminars, you have, the games,

1365
00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:36.679
you have like then the gen pop you gotta worry about. Yeah,

1366
00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:39.039
it's obviously many things to juggle on the scale they

1367
00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:40.840
tried to do it, There's tons of issues to happen.

1368
00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:43.760
But yeah, I would say like the peak Carson peak

1369
00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:47.519
was probably what fourteen and fourteen to I mean.

1370
00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:49.400
That show was Popping Brother thirteen to sixteen. I did

1371
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:51.480
a deadlift seminar in the parking lot and probably had

1372
00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:54.239
a thousand people watching me pull fucking six hundred pounds. Yeah,

1373
00:58:54.280 --> 00:58:56.519
just random folks just watching me deadlift. Yeah, like they

1374
00:58:56.519 --> 00:58:58.239
thought deadlifts were the coolest. They thought that was the

1375
00:58:58.239 --> 00:58:59.679
coolest thing they've ever seen in their life.

1376
00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:02.079
I was also remember that was like the Daughter era,

1377
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:05.559
you know that that twenty eleven or twenty sixteen. Look

1378
00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:08.039
at look at the thing? Yeah, look at Annie Annie.

1379
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:13.000
I saw a picture of a Leblanca LeBlanc doing a

1380
00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:13.760
bodybuilding show.

1381
00:59:14.599 --> 00:59:17.360
Oh really, Oh yeah she is doing those now, Yeah,

1382
00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:19.599
she was doing she was a gymnast before all this too.

1383
00:59:19.679 --> 00:59:21.760
Right. Yeah, it seems like that's the that's the key

1384
00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:23.840
to weightlifting cross.

1385
00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:25.000
Think about all the crossfitters that have no idea who

1386
00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:26.880
any of these people are. There's a lot true.

1387
00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:27.639
Yeah, yeah, but.

1388
00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:28.760
That's the other That's what I was kind of getting

1389
00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:32.199
at a second ago is like the ath the CrossFit

1390
00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:34.559
doesn't need the athletes because there's gonna be someone else.

1391
00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:38.920
Like especially nowadays, the athletes are like irrelevant. Anybody can

1392
00:59:38.920 --> 00:59:41.119
fill their spot, No one cares. Pople are still gonna watch.

1393
00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:42.840
To me, that's chicken or the egg too, though, Like

1394
00:59:43.159 --> 00:59:47.199
is that causation because like if there was a really

1395
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:48.119
big cool.

1396
00:59:48.039 --> 00:59:49.719
There's not a Froning or a Frasier.

1397
00:59:49.400 --> 00:59:51.559
That's what I'm saying. If there was, then the people

1398
00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:52.440
probably would care.

1399
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:54.199
There's like it there's like one kind of up and

1400
00:59:54.239 --> 00:59:56.159
coming guy, you know, there's like the Dallon Hopper.

1401
00:59:56.480 --> 00:59:58.960
That's again going back to like big organizations that do

1402
00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:01.639
this well, you have to build the celebrity hood, and

1403
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:04.119
that's what they haven't done anymore. And I think that's

1404
01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:07.440
where I'd probably disagree where Reebok did play a big

1405
01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:11.199
role because they built those celebrities. Right, So like NBA

1406
01:00:11.320 --> 01:00:14.400
does that, it's Lebron versus Curry, the UFC does that.

1407
01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:16.840
That's right here, Like what we're seeing the froning matt

1408
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:20.880
Era right, Like that's never gonna happen again. Like that's

1409
01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:23.000
over with, right, Like there's not gonna be this one

1410
01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:24.920
person doing the TIA thing.

1411
01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:27.480
Potentially it's not, but they said in the UFC there's

1412
01:00:27.519 --> 01:00:29.480
too many good guys. Now they're said that in the UFC,

1413
01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:31.880
they're like, dude, there's not gonna be another GSP. And

1414
01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:34.880
then now fucking Perreira just defended his belt five times,

1415
01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:35.119
you know.

1416
01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:38.559
Yeah, but until they finally like put him against somebody

1417
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:40.400
that can actually take him to the ground. They put

1418
01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:43.800
him against exclusive strikers, until for his whole career.

1419
01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:44.960
Was he he doesn't.

1420
01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:49.320
Rear was completely fucking guided for victory. But he doesn't

1421
01:00:49.360 --> 01:00:52.440
respects Pierre. He doesn't choose his Oh, no, one respects Pierre.

1422
01:00:54.119 --> 01:00:58.119
I think that they're hardcore fighter. People understand the Kobe Bryant.

1423
01:00:58.159 --> 01:00:59.079
Everyone puts him in the go.

1424
01:00:59.119 --> 01:01:01.519
Due now that Pierre is lost, though the UFC has

1425
01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:04.440
nobody that's like the guy.

1426
01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:06.360
Perrero was until he just lost.

1427
01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:09.760
Even then the people don't people, Yes, he was, but

1428
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:12.360
he wasn't like he wasn't though he wasn't marketable. He

1429
01:01:12.719 --> 01:01:14.599
wasn't really anything. He was like winning shirt.

1430
01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:17.639
Well, they have fucking dolls of his head that people

1431
01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:19.639
are paying thirty dollars for and I saw them all

1432
01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:20.719
you're in person.

1433
01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:22.440
I'm talking about people on the streets that are paying

1434
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:25.920
pay per views right like they're like ufcson like one

1435
01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:28.119
of their worst spots they've ever been in right now,

1436
01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:29.719
Like people aren't buying.

1437
01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:32.119
Really, Yeah, I've never heard that once.

1438
01:01:32.280 --> 01:01:34.440
You should listen to more UFC podcasts like me, then

1439
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:36.920
I just go to them. You can just regurgitate information

1440
01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:38.920
people tell you, like, Man, Yeah, I don't know if

1441
01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:44.159
that's true. No, that it really is true though, money wise, yeah, yeah,

1442
01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:47.000
I'm pretty sure, like they don't have a trojan horse

1443
01:01:47.079 --> 01:01:49.400
to like get people to buy pay per views right now.

1444
01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:52.440
I'm pretty sure, like the spheres like the most this.

1445
01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:54.480
Is fucking awesome. Yeah, but that was like the one.

1446
01:01:54.519 --> 01:01:57.079
I'm done, But that's the most bought. That's six months ago,

1447
01:01:57.239 --> 01:01:58.880
was the most bought pay per view of all time.

1448
01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:02.639
That was one event, for sure. That was a but

1449
01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:03.800
that's not happening every week.

1450
01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:06.559
No, but they only run twelve a year, so one

1451
01:02:06.599 --> 01:02:08.760
of twelve being the best of all times. Pretty good.

1452
01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:11.920
Okay, yes, but that card also a sucked ass.

1453
01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:15.719
Okay, now you're talking talking business and you said they're

1454
01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:19.920
in the worst place they've ever been a debate. Fucking sucks. No. No,

1455
01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:21.760
If you said they're in the worst place they've ever

1456
01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:23.599
been and within the last six months they've sold more

1457
01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:25.239
pay per views than ever, you're wrong.

1458
01:02:26.320 --> 01:02:30.559
Okay, you're talking about one event, Yes, at a new venue. Sure,

1459
01:02:32.559 --> 01:02:35.079
now that's part of running. But I also think that

1460
01:02:35.559 --> 01:02:38.519
there was also I think there's I think they're including

1461
01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:41.840
the illegal downstreams of those on those events, those ass

1462
01:02:41.840 --> 01:02:43.440
pay per view purchases.

1463
01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:44.880
And they didn't in the past or something. No, they

1464
01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:47.599
always do, so then it's comparative. Then it doesn't matter.

1465
01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:49.159
Every noone's buying it.

1466
01:02:49.519 --> 01:02:51.519
But that doesn't matter if the data has been the

1467
01:02:51.559 --> 01:02:54.840
same and it's the best ever, it's the most watched ever.

1468
01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:59.360
I think that uf season trouble, Well you think, and

1469
01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:01.199
it's in trouble. It's saying it's in the worst as

1470
01:03:01.239 --> 01:03:03.119
far as far as stardom goes.

1471
01:03:03.280 --> 01:03:06.280
So that the New York Posts a Newer Post reporter

1472
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:09.519
agrees with you, because the UFC PPV buys buys are

1473
01:03:09.639 --> 01:03:13.400
way down to the point where fighters who have clauses

1474
01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:16.719
for pay per viewpoints to get money aren't getting much

1475
01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:17.239
if any.

1476
01:03:18.360 --> 01:03:21.800
Yeah, I'm not going to buy sweet, but it's but

1477
01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:26.239
it's referring with show notes to uh, New.

1478
01:03:26.199 --> 01:03:29.400
York Times, newer posts posts post is trash. This is

1479
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:30.880
what This is what people have been talking about though.

1480
01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:33.519
This is this is the information. This is why I'm saying, Yeah,

1481
01:03:33.519 --> 01:03:34.880
I know what I was carrying from.

1482
01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:35.800
This is where it's coming from.

1483
01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:36.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard.

1484
01:03:36.719 --> 01:03:39.800
Their pay per views are like literally like they're struggling

1485
01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:41.400
to get people to buy UFC right now.

1486
01:03:41.599 --> 01:03:43.719
That's probably because you're a Vegas guy.

1487
01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:44.840
Now you're you know, I know, you.

1488
01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:49.239
Know watch I watched UFC fifteen years. I've watched UFC

1489
01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:51.760
for let's fifteen years. Same. I know I watch every event.

1490
01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:55.719
I've never once felt the stream, and I know fighters.

1491
01:03:55.800 --> 01:03:58.000
I would go to the fights for sure. I absorb

1492
01:03:58.039 --> 01:03:59.840
at all. And yeah, I don't listen to podcast every

1493
01:03:59.880 --> 01:04:00.840
day because that sounds like.

1494
01:04:00.719 --> 01:04:01.239
I don't either.

1495
01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:03.079
I listened to a couple that have that. I've just

1496
01:04:03.199 --> 01:04:06.360
never gotten the vibe that they're losing money or doing poorly.

1497
01:04:07.079 --> 01:04:10.119
The pay per views are struggling. Now is the sport

1498
01:04:10.199 --> 01:04:10.800
losing money?

1499
01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:12.760
I don't know. There's like the hype of the sports

1500
01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:15.159
higher than ever is paper. That's what again, like data,

1501
01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:15.679
we can't.

1502
01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:17.559
The hype isn't higher than ever do That's not true,

1503
01:04:17.639 --> 01:04:18.800
it is I don't think that's true.

1504
01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:23.039
Is widely known to be in trouble.

1505
01:04:23.519 --> 01:04:25.960
Yeah yeah, but they own like twenty companies. What does

1506
01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:27.599
that mean either? So my point is that we have

1507
01:04:27.639 --> 01:04:32.400
to zoom out right, So if they're if they're talking

1508
01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:36.320
about illegal watching, no, yeah, okay, right, if illegal watching

1509
01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:38.840
is up, then yeah, purchase pay per views maybe down,

1510
01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:40.360
but that doesn't mean that the sports down.

1511
01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:43.480
I think the sport is also viewership is down, dude,

1512
01:04:43.559 --> 01:04:45.079
really because can.

1513
01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:47.840
We get it here? We get a UFC like viewership

1514
01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:49.679
chart over the last whatever ten years.

1515
01:04:49.519 --> 01:04:51.679
The I think they like the fans like us that

1516
01:04:51.760 --> 01:04:54.199
have loved the sports still do are always watching it.

1517
01:04:54.280 --> 01:04:56.719
I feel like, but like people people that the random

1518
01:04:56.760 --> 01:04:58.519
people on the street that wanted to see the Connor

1519
01:04:58.559 --> 01:04:59.519
McGregor show.

1520
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:03.679
That's McGregor. Connor McGregor was an anomaly for sure, for.

1521
01:05:03.639 --> 01:05:05.639
Sure, but there isn't There hasn't been one like some

1522
01:05:05.880 --> 01:05:08.800
since right, And they're feeling the pressure of.

1523
01:05:08.719 --> 01:05:10.760
That no, yeah, because he's fighting Mayweather and ship.

1524
01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:13.800
For sure, Like they're feeling the lole of the star

1525
01:05:14.159 --> 01:05:15.760
that has that has a personality.

1526
01:05:16.559 --> 01:05:17.880
Maybe we got all these dagis Dan.

1527
01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:20.400
He got wrestlers coming in right, dominating everybody in the

1528
01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:23.119
most boring fashions, Like, no, they're paying to.

1529
01:05:23.079 --> 01:05:26.000
Watch that and they're boring characters. Agreed. I just I

1530
01:05:26.239 --> 01:05:28.159
feel like the vein I feel like in the world

1531
01:05:28.280 --> 01:05:31.360
is more people what UFC or more aware about.

1532
01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:35.119
It, for sure because of those guys like the mcgregors though,

1533
01:05:35.559 --> 01:05:38.079
and the Aldos and all that, you know what I mean,

1534
01:05:38.199 --> 01:05:43.559
Like that era and all that that that pre COVID UFC,

1535
01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:45.519
like that was like peak UFC.

1536
01:05:45.719 --> 01:05:49.199
No, McGregor for sure was probably peak viewership for sure

1537
01:05:49.280 --> 01:05:51.480
because not only the recipe of yet like COVID and

1538
01:05:51.559 --> 01:05:54.320
all that, and then Mayweather. Yeah he was a marketing god. Yeah,

1539
01:05:54.360 --> 01:05:57.920
for sure. I don't disagree with that. But just I

1540
01:05:57.920 --> 01:06:00.440
never once thought that was in a bad place. NBA

1541
01:06:00.519 --> 01:06:03.360
is at its worst, it's ever been down forty percent.

1542
01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:05.400
That's why I thought, actually the UFC was up, because

1543
01:06:05.400 --> 01:06:06.519
all these other sports are down.

1544
01:06:06.800 --> 01:06:09.119
UFC is still doing well. I think I'm not saying

1545
01:06:09.119 --> 01:06:10.760
they're not like like I meant like I.

1546
01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:13.920
Think you literally said they're dying, but I didn't.

1547
01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:15.960
I didn't say they were dying quote.

1548
01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:17.760
Them, but he said, go back at the clip. You

1549
01:06:17.800 --> 01:06:19.960
said something crazy. You said that they're declining.

1550
01:06:20.239 --> 01:06:24.800
They're not doing well for sure, but like compare everybody else,

1551
01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:26.400
I guess isn't doing well either.

1552
01:06:26.559 --> 01:06:29.239
Yeah, the NBA is tanking, but there's reasons for that.

1553
01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:32.480
NFL except for NFL, NFL's NFL had its best year

1554
01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:34.360
ever last college football solid.

1555
01:06:34.599 --> 01:06:37.400
The NFL, I think had what it's best, literally, it's

1556
01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:41.039
best every year. Every year NFL has its best year,

1557
01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:42.639
which is crazy.

1558
01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:43.960
Yeah, I remember year?

1559
01:06:44.039 --> 01:06:45.920
Is there past year? Like, yeah, that's how it's been.

1560
01:06:46.039 --> 01:06:47.119
Some of the make any sense.

1561
01:06:47.199 --> 01:06:49.159
Some of the beauty of the NFL is just like

1562
01:06:49.199 --> 01:06:51.960
the shortened season, right, Yeah, you get sixteen games, right,

1563
01:06:52.320 --> 01:06:54.519
they all matter, all matter. That's why, like the NBA

1564
01:06:54.639 --> 01:06:56.480
right now until like May just doesn't.

1565
01:06:56.280 --> 01:06:58.000
No one cares about it. No one cares about baseball

1566
01:06:58.079 --> 01:07:00.320
until like the playoffs, right saying what hockey?

1567
01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:05.719
Too many games?

1568
01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:07.840
Trying to figure this out when when what we really

1569
01:07:07.880 --> 01:07:09.519
need to do is get it back to this documentary

1570
01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:13.400
so we can actually finish this episode. The thing thing

1571
01:07:13.480 --> 01:07:16.039
one is that it goes back to what Mike was

1572
01:07:16.039 --> 01:07:18.840
just saying about you about UFC, about CrossFit or whatever

1573
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:25.599
you they're the natty body building federations are not creating stars,

1574
01:07:26.280 --> 01:07:28.320
so then they're not looking at their top slate and

1575
01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:32.199
promoting those people. It's all just still an individual promotion,

1576
01:07:32.559 --> 01:07:36.440
whether or not they catch fire on on on YouTube

1577
01:07:36.519 --> 01:07:38.840
or or any of the social medias or whatever. So

1578
01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:41.599
that's like, that's the thing that's like, that's a force

1579
01:07:41.679 --> 01:07:42.400
limiting factor.

1580
01:07:43.960 --> 01:07:46.679
It's not the top competitors doing it right, It's that

1581
01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:50.039
it's like the middle ground or average Joe that is

1582
01:07:50.079 --> 01:07:53.639
really an enthusiast building the celebrity hood right now, which

1583
01:07:53.679 --> 01:07:55.960
is like great, right, and that's how powerlifting. Like shoutow

1584
01:07:56.039 --> 01:07:58.400
my boy Johnny Candido, like you could if you want

1585
01:07:58.440 --> 01:08:00.320
to point the one person that made the USA peel

1586
01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:03.119
cool is Johnny fucking Candido. Yeah, and he was good.

1587
01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:05.119
I mean he's top ten for sure. Like he was very,

1588
01:08:05.199 --> 01:08:08.079
very fucking strong. But he's not the guy. He's not

1589
01:08:08.559 --> 01:08:10.119
you know, he's not fucking ed Cone.

1590
01:08:10.159 --> 01:08:13.559
It seems like the sweet spot in bodybuilding from my

1591
01:08:13.679 --> 01:08:18.279
perspective at least, is just they're doing some steroids, but

1592
01:08:18.359 --> 01:08:19.399
not like a crazy amount.

1593
01:08:19.520 --> 01:08:19.720
Yeah.

1594
01:08:19.720 --> 01:08:21.520
I mean that's why class the most popular class.

1595
01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:23.079
Yeah, that's why classic is cool. The other.

1596
01:08:23.159 --> 01:08:24.760
I mean, that's what's driving the whole industry.

1597
01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:27.479
The real conversation ender and end all be all to

1598
01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:31.640
me is that bodybuilding is when we're talking about tiers

1599
01:08:31.640 --> 01:08:36.159
of entertainment, right, Like whether you like the UFC or

1600
01:08:36.199 --> 01:08:39.119
not or whatever, NBA, NFL, MLB, those are all at

1601
01:08:39.199 --> 01:08:41.319
least a tier, right. You don't have to like them.

1602
01:08:41.359 --> 01:08:45.560
I don't like baseball, but it's a tier entertainment. Bodybuilding

1603
01:08:46.159 --> 01:08:50.439
is bottom tier. CrossFit and power lifting our second bottom tier.

1604
01:08:50.600 --> 01:08:53.399
Like they're one, they're half a step above that, bitch. Yeah,

1605
01:08:53.439 --> 01:08:57.880
Like it's just never gonna be cool to uh like follow, observe,

1606
01:08:58.880 --> 01:09:02.399
and go to It's a participation sport and it probably

1607
01:09:02.439 --> 01:09:04.840
always will be. I don't care if you bring strippers

1608
01:09:04.840 --> 01:09:08.520
to powerlifting and lightning bolts. Uh, it's still going to

1609
01:09:08.560 --> 01:09:12.680
be family in the crowd or people that lift weights.

1610
01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:17.600
Crossfits probably similar and even Carson, like although that was electric,

1611
01:09:18.560 --> 01:09:19.920
but it was all it was all people that it

1612
01:09:19.960 --> 01:09:22.640
was only CrossFit affiliates, And the only reason it got

1613
01:09:22.680 --> 01:09:26.640
electric is because CrossFit's expensive, so those people that participated

1614
01:09:26.680 --> 01:09:28.680
were rich and could travel to Carson to watch it.

1615
01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:31.439
And also and also another thing too, is like that's

1616
01:09:31.520 --> 01:09:34.880
when back when athletes went to a gym, So you

1617
01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:36.520
have now he got all this shop where these athletes

1618
01:09:36.520 --> 01:09:38.239
don't even fucking train the gym's anymore.

1619
01:09:38.520 --> 01:09:41.199
That changes things so much. Bro, I just went to

1620
01:09:41.239 --> 01:09:45.720
a jiu jitsu tournament by the UFC and Shatoujnado. Uh.

1621
01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:49.119
He trains Bart, and Bart trains him, and his whole

1622
01:09:49.159 --> 01:09:51.640
gym is there because they all train with him, And

1623
01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:55.079
so the crowd's going berserk because it's their hometown guy.

1624
01:09:55.279 --> 01:09:58.079
It's the Rocky Balboa, right, Like, everyone's there because you

1625
01:09:58.239 --> 01:10:00.920
know him, or he teaches your his wife teaches you,

1626
01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:04.279
or there's some real personal connection. So the crowd's going

1627
01:10:04.359 --> 01:10:07.640
berserk for this guy. Yeah he's from Vegas, like he's not.

1628
01:10:07.760 --> 01:10:09.640
He's from Brazil, but he lives in Vegas so that helps.

1629
01:10:09.680 --> 01:10:12.000
But still, that's what crossfield is like, right, Like each

1630
01:10:12.079 --> 01:10:15.279
section all wore green because their gym was green, and

1631
01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:17.159
Ben Smith wore green or whatever the fuck.

1632
01:10:17.039 --> 01:10:18.840
Like, and then and then two hundred people from that

1633
01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:19.560
gym would come.

1634
01:10:19.760 --> 01:10:21.960
It freak out and again like it was a perfect

1635
01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:24.479
recipe because the average you know, incind.

1636
01:10:24.439 --> 01:10:26.520
The affiliates were. Yeah, that's why the affiliates.

1637
01:10:26.199 --> 01:10:28.279
Was important, right, and the average is not the case

1638
01:10:28.319 --> 01:10:30.880
now Yeah, yeah, and the average crossfitter made fuck one

1639
01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:32.680
hundred fifty ky or whatever, so they could afford to

1640
01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:34.760
go do these things and blah blah blah. Right, it's

1641
01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:37.840
kind of like golf. So I think the long story

1642
01:10:37.880 --> 01:10:40.880
short of bodybuilding in general is a circus. It's never

1643
01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:44.000
gonna be that cool and natty bodybuilding. Yeah, although I

1644
01:10:44.079 --> 01:10:45.560
enjoyed and have a lot of friends in it. Like

1645
01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:48.159
I'm not going to show unless I know someone competing, Like,

1646
01:10:48.159 --> 01:10:49.279
I'm not gonna go buy a ticket.

1647
01:10:49.359 --> 01:10:52.079
I've only ever been to one here.

1648
01:10:52.279 --> 01:10:53.359
My buddy John North did it.

1649
01:10:53.600 --> 01:10:57.119
Yeah, they're they're rough to watch man. It's a slow day.

1650
01:10:57.279 --> 01:10:59.880
Only the Olympia has like music and free posing two

1651
01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:02.920
like these other ones, you're doing standard posing. There's no music.

1652
01:11:02.960 --> 01:11:05.600
It's awkward as shit, Like it's just not cool.

1653
01:11:06.199 --> 01:11:09.119
Posing in this was not fantastic, I would say, just

1654
01:11:09.159 --> 01:11:11.880
in general. The thing that I think that they they

1655
01:11:12.039 --> 01:11:15.239
kind of just barely grazed, and that could have been

1656
01:11:15.399 --> 01:11:20.600
a fertile ground for making it somewhat fucking interesting, was

1657
01:11:20.600 --> 01:11:24.079
that there was very little about their coaching, about who

1658
01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:24.960
was coaching them.

1659
01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:28.640
And training in general. Right, yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly.

1660
01:11:28.760 --> 01:11:33.560
This was very much about just about the competition and

1661
01:11:33.640 --> 01:11:35.239
not about how they got there.

1662
01:11:36.119 --> 01:11:38.439
Which is what no one cares about. The other stuff's

1663
01:11:38.479 --> 01:11:40.439
actually cooler, Like even just a I don't need.

1664
01:11:40.319 --> 01:11:42.720
To see by someone doing fucking more latt rowdowns.

1665
01:11:43.039 --> 01:11:45.000
All of it just sucked. Yeah, it really does pull

1666
01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:47.000
down there. And maybe we're all biased obviously because we've

1667
01:11:47.039 --> 01:11:49.960
lifted waitress along and watched all these documentaries, but in

1668
01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:53.680
the storytelling, like, yeah, there was just no nothing that

1669
01:11:54.039 --> 01:11:55.479
like I could even highlight in my brain.

1670
01:11:55.720 --> 01:11:57.800
There was like one blurb at the beginning, forty five

1671
01:11:57.920 --> 01:11:59.880
days out from Olympia. Yeah, then it was just a

1672
01:12:00.039 --> 01:12:04.560
bunch of random bullshit and then the final one guy's

1673
01:12:04.760 --> 01:12:05.479
journey at the end.

1674
01:12:05.720 --> 01:12:11.359
Did we have anybody that we particularly liked and and nonacahar.

1675
01:12:12.239 --> 01:12:14.319
I liked Mike Ohurn too. It's the only time I've

1676
01:12:14.319 --> 01:12:15.399
ever really liked Michael.

1677
01:12:15.560 --> 01:12:17.760
Yeah, I didn't love him either. Yeah, none of us

1678
01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:19.560
stood out to me like I was. I was, so

1679
01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:22.640
I'm analyzing Greg Valentino's mustache.

1680
01:12:22.880 --> 01:12:24.560
Yeah, it was boring as hell.

1681
01:12:24.680 --> 01:12:26.880
I don't understand why Greg Valentino was there at all.

1682
01:12:26.920 --> 01:12:28.920
I mean because I just don't even remember that. I

1683
01:12:28.920 --> 01:12:30.720
don't even know the point of it. I don't know,

1684
01:12:30.760 --> 01:12:31.119
I don't know.

1685
01:12:31.119 --> 01:12:33.439
They didn't know the point. That's the issue, right, Who.

1686
01:12:33.319 --> 01:12:35.239
Did we Who do we dislike the most?

1687
01:12:35.319 --> 01:12:37.199
Who do we hate all of them? We didn't talk

1688
01:12:37.199 --> 01:12:39.239
about the guy from Guitar, that guy he was jacked.

1689
01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:41.439
He was legitimately jacked.

1690
01:12:41.479 --> 01:12:43.279
Well that's the story, right, he said he was a

1691
01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:45.079
strength athlete, this and that, and then they didn't show

1692
01:12:45.159 --> 01:12:46.640
him doing anything nothing. Yeah.

1693
01:12:47.560 --> 01:12:49.039
I also noticed, you know when they were doing the

1694
01:12:49.079 --> 01:12:52.039
final call outs they down to wheeling down to the

1695
01:12:52.319 --> 01:12:55.079
final five or whatever, some of the guys that were

1696
01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:59.279
getting the participation medal was literally a participation.

1697
01:12:58.760 --> 01:13:00.399
Man, everybody gets metal.

1698
01:13:00.439 --> 01:13:02.680
It's like some of those guys look better than their

1699
01:13:02.840 --> 01:13:05.439
your final five, and so like what are you looking for?

1700
01:13:05.800 --> 01:13:09.000
Yeah? Yeah, and that's the argument of bodybuilding the whole rejective.

1701
01:13:09.159 --> 01:13:12.600
Or Yeah, though they'll have like real blanket statements like conditioning,

1702
01:13:12.680 --> 01:13:15.840
but like you know, whose eyes saying what? And that's

1703
01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:17.920
why it is like a show, right, they don't say

1704
01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:20.039
I'm going to compete today. I'm going to the show today.

1705
01:13:20.039 --> 01:13:21.239
You know, it's showday, and so.

1706
01:13:21.359 --> 01:13:24.439
Really grainy physique doesn't necessarily look good.

1707
01:13:24.680 --> 01:13:27.359
No, you know, I don't know the sport. The sport's cool,

1708
01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:29.239
it's very niche. I don't know if it ever would

1709
01:13:29.239 --> 01:13:31.039
be big. I mean that's why we're not. That's why

1710
01:13:31.119 --> 01:13:33.239
World Strongest Man is the coolest, right because you're actually

1711
01:13:33.239 --> 01:13:34.680
seeing freaks do freaky ship.

1712
01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:36.600
Yeah, it's something that an average person can do.

1713
01:13:36.680 --> 01:13:39.680
Yeah, it's relatable as unrelatable because they're carrying a car

1714
01:13:39.720 --> 01:13:41.359
and you know a car is heavy, but you can't

1715
01:13:41.399 --> 01:13:41.680
do it.

1716
01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:44.119
That's the secret sauce to the World strong Man.

1717
01:13:44.199 --> 01:13:46.439
Yeah, I almost wish they changed it up a hair more,

1718
01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:48.720
not as much as CrossFit or CrossFit. You know, you're

1719
01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:51.039
throwing a baseball and shooting a gun or something, but

1720
01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:53.439
but probably a hair more than just stones in the

1721
01:13:53.479 --> 01:13:56.039
finals every day, you know, yeah, just like a hair

1722
01:13:56.119 --> 01:13:58.600
more like back in the day, like seventies, eighties strong

1723
01:13:58.640 --> 01:14:03.239
Man peak eighty probably us probably the coolest strength sport

1724
01:14:03.319 --> 01:14:04.239
to ever exist.

1725
01:14:04.439 --> 01:14:06.880
It's all caught me into, like fitness in general. My

1726
01:14:07.159 --> 01:14:10.600
first introduction to fitness was a sport.

1727
01:14:10.720 --> 01:14:10.880
Yeah.

1728
01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:13.600
They watching those strong Man shows with my dad, like

1729
01:14:13.680 --> 01:14:14.319
in the garage.

1730
01:14:14.359 --> 01:14:17.439
That's the secret sauce is if they did a reality

1731
01:14:17.520 --> 01:14:21.840
show or even a live show where it's remember pros

1732
01:14:21.920 --> 01:14:25.239
versus Joe's, Like so good, right, the concept at least

1733
01:14:25.359 --> 01:14:28.000
the execution was mediocre. But they need that again, right,

1734
01:14:28.039 --> 01:14:29.199
like can we get.

1735
01:14:29.159 --> 01:14:32.319
Well they almost killed that one kid on the football one, don't.

1736
01:14:32.760 --> 01:14:33.600
Stopped doing the show.

1737
01:14:34.399 --> 01:14:37.399
I had like a pro fucking free like a pro

1738
01:14:37.680 --> 01:14:40.199
linebacker against some twenty year old kid, and we'll ever

1739
01:14:40.199 --> 01:14:42.760
played football before it gets absolutely full full speed.

1740
01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:45.359
That's a that's an application issue because like my my

1741
01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:50.119
shutout Tim Sprinkles and my boy Ja because like my

1742
01:14:50.159 --> 01:14:52.239
guys my there are assistant coaches at the time, they

1743
01:14:52.279 --> 01:14:54.319
both played like D one basketball and football. They were

1744
01:14:54.319 --> 01:14:56.039
trying to try out for it, Like that's the perfect

1745
01:14:56.039 --> 01:14:58.560
pros versus Joe's. Like, you're not gonna die because you

1746
01:14:58.600 --> 01:15:01.199
played quarterback at D one, but then you're gonna see

1747
01:15:01.199 --> 01:15:03.840
the difference between pro quarterback and D one, Like it'd

1748
01:15:03.880 --> 01:15:05.880
still be a huge gap. But if they did that

1749
01:15:05.960 --> 01:15:08.439
was strong man in the sense like the seventies and

1750
01:15:08.479 --> 01:15:11.319
eighties where they grab a who's fucking uh not Travis,

1751
01:15:11.359 --> 01:15:15.079
who's the other Kelsey? Oh yeah, yeah right, so we

1752
01:15:15.159 --> 01:15:19.199
grabbed Jason who's a fucking freak although he doesn't look

1753
01:15:19.239 --> 01:15:22.520
like one. Have him go do some logs against fucking

1754
01:15:22.560 --> 01:15:25.079
Brian Shaw, you know, like that's what and that's what

1755
01:15:25.119 --> 01:15:25.760
the eighties was.

1756
01:15:25.880 --> 01:15:28.000
We'll also know who those people are, so they watch.

1757
01:15:27.800 --> 01:15:29.720
That, right, and you're gonna see that, Oh he.

1758
01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:31.720
Is a free celebrity pros versus Jos.

1759
01:15:31.720 --> 01:15:33.439
Right, Well, that's what trung Man was.

1760
01:15:33.319 --> 01:15:35.359
It was hit up the La Homies.

1761
01:15:35.039 --> 01:15:39.319
Strongman was fucking uh Colombo versus the linebacker from the

1762
01:15:39.399 --> 01:15:42.880
Nine Rids versus the pro bodybuilder the seventies version, right,

1763
01:15:42.960 --> 01:15:45.279
it was the Pride of UFC. It was. It was

1764
01:15:45.359 --> 01:15:47.840
pride where you're just grabbing the karate guy and he's

1765
01:15:47.880 --> 01:15:50.920
going against the sumo wrestler like that. Stuff's really interesting

1766
01:15:50.920 --> 01:15:52.199
when you don't know what it's about to happen.

1767
01:15:52.239 --> 01:15:55.680
You know. Who did that actually was CrossFit put on

1768
01:15:55.760 --> 01:15:59.239
an event where it was like Alex Smith versus like

1769
01:15:59.439 --> 01:16:02.680
four and like a clean and jerk like competition with

1770
01:16:02.760 --> 01:16:04.840
like the same weight because one of them was.

1771
01:16:04.760 --> 01:16:07.600
More efficient, right, and one stronger and then one strong

1772
01:16:07.760 --> 01:16:08.880
what's what's better here?

1773
01:16:08.920 --> 01:16:12.680
Who's strong efficiency or this raw strength? And they did

1774
01:16:12.680 --> 01:16:14.760
like events like that, like in Iceland and ship. It

1775
01:16:15.279 --> 01:16:17.119
was kind of cool, yeah, because they got away from all.

1776
01:16:17.439 --> 01:16:19.720
But even even them, they have no offense to to Alex,

1777
01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:22.039
who's awesome, but he's just not a celebrity.

1778
01:16:22.159 --> 01:16:22.239
No.

1779
01:16:22.920 --> 01:16:26.119
Jason Kelcey and we grab I don't even know who

1780
01:16:26.319 --> 01:16:29.600
you know, whoever the fuck Michael Hearn, you know, like

1781
01:16:29.600 --> 01:16:34.399
like you grab some random motherfuckers with a million on Instagram. Yeah,

1782
01:16:34.640 --> 01:16:37.000
that's gonna cook. I mean, world strongest man.

1783
01:16:37.079 --> 01:16:38.840
Still, I think you put that guy with his like

1784
01:16:38.960 --> 01:16:41.840
water face routine Sprinter guy, put him against a real sprinter

1785
01:16:42.079 --> 01:16:42.800
water face.

1786
01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:43.920
You know what I'm talking about.

1787
01:16:44.359 --> 01:16:46.720
You know, I'm talking about Jack A million followers. This

1788
01:16:46.720 --> 01:16:48.000
guy does the same video every.

1789
01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:49.960
Day, dude, that's all these guys. Bart was sending me

1790
01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:52.399
this like he makes like millions of you guys his rolls. Royce,

1791
01:16:52.680 --> 01:16:56.039
who's the military guy doing like military workouts? I seen

1792
01:16:56.119 --> 01:16:58.560
him where he's he's got a bar bell holding it

1793
01:16:58.560 --> 01:17:00.640
like a bazooka, running on a tread and he has

1794
01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:02.880
fucking jack and he is a veteran. Thanks for you, sir.

1795
01:17:03.600 --> 01:17:06.279
The Springer guy's super jack like two forty.

1796
01:17:06.640 --> 01:17:07.880
Yeah, big ass arms. Yeah.

1797
01:17:07.960 --> 01:17:09.960
Yeah, someone's like always handing him a watch.

1798
01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:13.479
Yeah, I just see yeah, I just always seem sprinting. Yeah.

1799
01:17:13.560 --> 01:17:15.239
Yeah, that guy he's got eight million followers.

1800
01:17:15.319 --> 01:17:18.600
Yeah, well he's jacked. Yeah, talk about genetics.

1801
01:17:18.880 --> 01:17:23.840
Yeah, anyways, anyway, all right, let's let's rate this thing.

1802
01:17:25.600 --> 01:17:27.199
Participation trophies, syringes.

1803
01:17:27.199 --> 01:17:30.800
Participation trophies is a really good one. I'm I'm gonna

1804
01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:33.520
go with that. What I was thinking about like nasty

1805
01:17:33.560 --> 01:17:34.760
looking Baine clusters.

1806
01:17:34.800 --> 01:17:39.720
But but but participation trophies for sure, fucking point two.

1807
01:17:40.520 --> 01:17:42.279
I don't give it a one. Yeah, mich Oharn was

1808
01:17:42.279 --> 01:17:42.560
in it.

1809
01:17:42.880 --> 01:17:44.199
Yeah, I don't know if I'm giving it a one.

1810
01:17:44.199 --> 01:17:47.119
What's the worst one we watched so far? There is one?

1811
01:17:47.159 --> 01:17:49.560
Probably no, no, no, we had one we all oh

1812
01:17:49.680 --> 01:17:54.319
Piana's Yeah, like I give like a fours because you

1813
01:17:54.359 --> 01:17:56.840
were yeah, you're a fan, you were the outlier on.

1814
01:17:56.840 --> 01:17:59.960
He was in this for a secon right, like liverpill.

1815
01:18:00.199 --> 01:18:03.920
Yeah, talk about steroid. Yeah. I don't even know if

1816
01:18:03.920 --> 01:18:06.239
I can give it a one. I was pretty disappointed

1817
01:18:06.920 --> 01:18:09.520
because like, there's cool shit. What we should do is

1818
01:18:09.560 --> 01:18:13.079
I told you the old MTV uh mini docs that

1819
01:18:13.119 --> 01:18:15.920
they do for like forty minutes. Yeah, real life, here's

1820
01:18:15.920 --> 01:18:18.760
a real life I'm addicted to steroids or something, or

1821
01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:22.840
it's so much better and the production is probably less,

1822
01:18:22.960 --> 01:18:27.119
like right, that's yeah, he freaks out, No, he gets fire. Yeah,

1823
01:18:27.159 --> 01:18:28.760
I think he's fired from work and he throws the

1824
01:18:28.760 --> 01:18:32.079
table across the room and it's all real. That's so

1825
01:18:32.199 --> 01:18:32.720
much better.

1826
01:18:33.399 --> 01:18:36.199
Yeah, I give it a one. Yeah, bad, not good.

1827
01:18:36.239 --> 01:18:38.920
Won't we watch it? Won't even probably think about it again?

1828
01:18:38.960 --> 01:18:39.960
After this turns.

1829
01:18:39.680 --> 01:18:43.239
Off unfortunate, I would say probably, I'm.

1830
01:18:42.840 --> 01:18:47.239
A little bit more inclined on this one. I said

1831
01:18:47.239 --> 01:18:49.479
probably about a two two and a half something like that.

1832
01:18:49.800 --> 01:18:53.720
Not good, but like, structurally it was better than some

1833
01:18:53.760 --> 01:18:56.479
of the other ones. Sure, and at a timeline, yeah

1834
01:18:56.520 --> 01:19:00.279
it structurally they did a better job. I just you know,

1835
01:19:00.760 --> 01:19:02.720
the point is that none of these folks are that interesting,

1836
01:19:02.760 --> 01:19:08.079
and it the truth might be that the bodybuilder, especially

1837
01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:12.000
the natty bodybuilder, who is actually interesting, is a unicorn.

1838
01:19:12.680 --> 01:19:15.640
Oh he's a YouTuber. Yeah he's not a body builder.

1839
01:19:15.760 --> 01:19:18.479
Yeah right, And I said that with the other you know,

1840
01:19:19.159 --> 01:19:21.039
generation Irons is like you want to put one of

1841
01:19:21.079 --> 01:19:25.439
these bitches together, like, go get some entertainers. Right. Some

1842
01:19:25.479 --> 01:19:27.640
of it's the culture though, too, because like there's some

1843
01:19:27.760 --> 01:19:30.760
funny ass regular athletes. Like you go talk to some

1844
01:19:30.800 --> 01:19:33.079
basketball players and some you know, like they're laying up

1845
01:19:33.119 --> 01:19:37.119
like funny interviews, you know, like fucking Edwards is funny

1846
01:19:37.119 --> 01:19:39.760
on the interview, Like there's some funny dudes. It's just

1847
01:19:39.840 --> 01:19:43.800
bodybuilding has a personality that's not made for this because

1848
01:19:43.800 --> 01:19:45.399
there's not it's not a social sport.

1849
01:19:45.399 --> 01:19:48.760
No, and it's it's a personal denial the scenario.

1850
01:19:48.840 --> 01:19:52.279
You know, Yeah, you're interviewing a bunch of like meathead monks. Yeah,

1851
01:19:52.359 --> 01:19:54.439
you know where like basketball, like you're talking shit all day.

1852
01:19:54.479 --> 01:19:56.279
You're in the locker room with twelve dudes, you're talking

1853
01:19:56.279 --> 01:19:59.319
shit to the team like head the whole time. Golf

1854
01:19:59.399 --> 01:20:02.119
is more so you know, like buy a billion. Yeah,

1855
01:20:02.479 --> 01:20:04.439
and so like you're gonna get some funny dudes there.

1856
01:20:04.680 --> 01:20:08.840
But yeah, it's definitely a not that it's subject and

1857
01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:11.560
subjects issue. Yeah.

1858
01:20:11.760 --> 01:20:13.159
The only reason why we even know these people are

1859
01:20:13.159 --> 01:20:14.479
pro biby builders because they told us.

1860
01:20:14.840 --> 01:20:17.800
Well the other thing, Yeah, that's all the names they're dropping.

1861
01:20:17.880 --> 01:20:19.600
Like I've been in this sport a long time and yeah,

1862
01:20:19.640 --> 01:20:21.399
I'm not a bodybuilder, but I have a lot of homies.

1863
01:20:21.399 --> 01:20:23.840
I knew none of them. Yeah, and again because the

1864
01:20:23.920 --> 01:20:25.760
federations are split and all that. But I was like,

1865
01:20:25.760 --> 01:20:28.000
I'd never heard of any of these guys, you know,

1866
01:20:29.159 --> 01:20:32.279
and I'm sure there's really good ones the current who

1867
01:20:32.319 --> 01:20:34.279
are the actual best. I haven't heard of also, but

1868
01:20:34.399 --> 01:20:36.880
like I would at least know a face, maybe something

1869
01:20:37.159 --> 01:20:39.439
ye like CrossFit. I've never done that, but if we're

1870
01:20:39.439 --> 01:20:41.479
doing a CrossFit doc, I know all the names. Like

1871
01:20:41.520 --> 01:20:43.760
I'm in the game, and I didn't know any of

1872
01:20:43.800 --> 01:20:46.239
these guys made it rough.

1873
01:20:46.479 --> 01:20:50.159
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