Genetics versus effort? | Topic Thunder

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ready, ready, you're the strongest one

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here? No, no, so
here. This is the question for you,

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genetics versus effort? How much do
you control over your fitness? How

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much do you control over your fitness? Well, I don't understand the first

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part then, because you can't control
your genetics, right, So which one

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plays more of a role Because a
lot of people think like, well,

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I'll work them and give me time, and I'm gonna outwork my competitors and

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I'm gonna be a top powerlift room
and be a top bodybuilder. I even

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saw an interview. I don't know
how recent or not. It is because

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the internet's wild. You know,
they'll be showing clips from eight years ago

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and misquoting people. But I think
I was being a little cheeky. He

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has sea bum, Like, yeah, to get to a pro bodybuilding there's

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just like copious and mons of steroids
or whatever, right, And Seabumb,

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being fairly pr trained, kind of
wiggled that around and said that now even

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though he looks his best and his
fifth win or whatever, that he's taken

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less steroids than he did in the
past because he refined his protocols, et

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cetera, et cetera, and that
he knows tons of people that take a

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lot of drugs and look like shit, which I actually think you throw steroids

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in the argument. There's a whole
nother Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's

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side from maybe we're headed and not
to buy any means, you know,

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take away from what Seabomb has done
as an athlete. But clearly genetics play

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a huge role, and he didn't
mention that term once. You know,

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he's like, oh no, I
just refined my nutrition and refined my work

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ethic and I'd locked in, which
is true because he is the best of

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the best of the best, and
that's not negating from those things. But

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I could be even more dialed in
on my nutrition in my lifting, and

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I'm never gonna look like seabumb So
clearly genetics play a role. Yes,

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absolutely, I think I think your
efforts are definitely you could have the best

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genetics. But you've mentioned this before. If I never was introduced to a

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barbell because of where I grow up
or whatever I ye live, I would

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have never learned what my potential was
in the sport. So but I could

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have the same exact genetics. Yeah, exposures obviously, Yeah, but then

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the efforts putting in is definitely a
big part in the sport itself and like

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the success that comes with it.
But I do think that the limit,

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the limit is probably going to be
determined by the genetics, because maybe I

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do this for forever, and I
do hit a ceiling that is lower than

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you know, I'll never maybe I'll
never be as strong as Natalie Richards no

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matter how hard I try or as
long as I live for so like I

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don't, I think it is effort
is definitely a big role in like this,

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this success in the sport, in
any sport, and like amongst other

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things, but yeah, you got
to show up. Effort I think is

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like a mis uh understood concept too, because like people always think like sprint,

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you know, like like pure effort, like breathing hard and fucking or

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at least that's maybe that's just what
that's a good point. That's how people

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think, right, like, oh, dude, she works so hard,

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and not that Abby's not a hard
worker, but like she's had half assed

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sessions. The point is that she
showed up to every session injured not injured

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for like six years, and like
that's that's effort, you know. And

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the important part is also the effort
to understand like what you're actually doing in

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your body, because some people like
don't rest. They think I have to

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train all day every day. Yeah, and not rest because I'm I am

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putting in the effort. This is
the effort. It's like, well,

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you can't, like you're not putting
in the effort to learn about what your

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body, how your body works,
because everyone needs to recover calculating you need

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a Yeah, you need to put
an effort in, like learning the whole

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thing as like not just the training
aspect, but the how do I get

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stronger and make progress? As a
whole, which will take into account like

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nutrition and recovery, sleep, all
that. Yeah, like business is similar

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to you know, people think like
wake up at four am, hop in

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a cold tub and work until two
am the next day. But it's actually

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more like calculated effort, efficiency and
determination over like the broad span is probably

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gonna sit you up for success more
likely. Yeah, like spending your time

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more effectively. Yeah, yeah,
instead of you know, working what's smarter

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not harder type of thing. Yeah, that's my answer. Yeah, I

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don't disagree. Anyone disagree. I
don't disagree either. I just think that

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that so often though, you see
people who have made great achievements through work,

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but also they have, you know, a great base of genetics,

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and then they tell you how terrible
the genetics are, right, Yeah,

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to be motivational maybe, Yeah,
I don't know. I don't know what's

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behind that. Why don't you just
say I was gifted with good genetics and

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and I put in a lot of
work to get work where I got.

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You ran with it? Yeah,
you know, acknowledging your genetics does not

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discredit Yeah, it doesn't discredit your
work ethics. I think that's what they

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probably think. Yeah, they're in
mess thing so too. It's like,

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oh, I could never be like
that. Well, there's a lot of

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people who can't. I mean,
no, I worked for this. You

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don't understand. Yeah, the powerlifting, I feel like more than not.

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Like when I tweeted out eight years
ago I said that genetics beat hard work

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all the time, because there's the
old saying that like hard work beats genetics

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when we're talent, hard work beats
talent. And it's just like simply not

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true, Like it literally isn't.
I've robbed elbows with professional athletes all over,

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and you know, they've been on
big teams with big names and your

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professionals all over. Yeah, part
of the VIP package. And I've heard

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stories of guys that have literally been
All stars, all pro in the professional

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American leagues that don't show up the
practice and have never practiced on their own

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a day in their life. Yeah. I practiced every single day of my

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life in basketball. And there was
very very near impossible chance for me to

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go to the NBA. I could
have played professionally, and you know I

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dabbled, but like there's just certain
things. But if you bring it up

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in basketball AOGI, Yeah, man, you probably can't be Michael Jordan.

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You're like, yeah, I'm not
six six. This is that. But

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if you bring up at Powerleffood like
no, I'll work them like no.

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But it's the same fucking thing.
Yeah, you gotta have the same tendon

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bone, muscle structure, the same
synap is firing to the muscle fiber,

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and a lot of that's genetic.
You can train it and improve it.

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That's the beauty of all sports.
Anyone can improve. But then you're running

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your own race, you know.
And again that is the beauty of powerliftings.

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You can compete and run your own
race. But to be the best

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powerlift for all time, to be
a John Hack, to be an ed

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Cone, to be a whatever you
gotta be, you gotta find the exposure

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and then you got to find what
you're good at. Like that's the real

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recipe of life. If you actually
find what you're fucking made to do and

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then you chase it down, now
you probably have some success. And we

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say genetics, and that's kind of
casting a broad net because there's so many

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factors for genetics and like, and
I believe in in in strength sports,

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like pain tolerance, like like genetically
programmed pain tolerance, sure is a big

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part of how people succeed. Some
people are just born weenies and they can't

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handle like pushing themselves for sure,
I'm a weenie. Yeah, uh,

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not getting injured genetics, right,
yeah, not getting injured and pushing yourself.

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Brain mentalities. You could argue,
what do you want to call genetics

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or talent or whatever that's beyond hard
work? Yeah, how your ego and

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spirit play a role, but they
do in all sports, right, the

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Kobe mentality and shit, And yeah, you probably refined that, but there's

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something in him, from his parents
or or just in him that's different than

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everyone else. And he could refine
it over time and he could improve it.

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But the scale that he's already working
on is different than Yeah, the

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Sally that grabs a fucking barbell and
cries when they get a callous Yeah,

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yeah, I mean the genetics.
Are you talk about the hand? Your

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del It really is kind of like
a like cards. Yeah, do I

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have a strong hand? Do I
have? You know? Like my my,

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my tendons don't typically tear all the
way through. If I tear something,

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it don't It doesn't tear all the
way through. And it eventually heals

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or whatever, and that would be
great. If I was stronger, it'd

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be fine, Like that'd be a
good, a good positive thing. But

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I only ever got so strong,
so I was, you know, not

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pushing that to the to the limit
of it and not really able to take

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advantage of the the durability. Yeah, exactly, exactly because I wasn't.

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I didn't have that card. I
didn't have like you're gonna be super strong

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card. Yeah. I also do
think that a lot of people, though,

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blame genetics too early. For sure. It a lot of people are

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blaming genetics. But you only have
one p thirty five on the ball yet,

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Like you're not even testing your real
genetics yet to be blaming Keep them

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down there, Well, that's where
some of the mentality comes, right,

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Stay down there, stay down there. Yet. You can have whatever genetics.

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But if you don't believe that you
have the potential to be great,

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yeah, you'll never be great.
Yeah. But everything starts with belief one

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hundred percent. And I've talked about
this topic a lot and the stereoid topic

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a lot over the last twelve years
on the internet, and that's what most

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people come to me, like well, don't belietle kids. Well, I'm

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like that's on them. Nothing I
say is going to penetrate deep enough,

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you know what I mean, Like
that's so beyond. So if you have

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the mentality that you're going to be
great, yeah, or you're coming in

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and we've been around it in our
own gym and on the people are like,

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yeah, man, my arms are
long, I'll probably just never be

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a bench here like that. Yeah, that's self limiting for sure. Yeah,

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it's like, Okay, I don't
know, I understand like not having

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the I don't have it in me
to like convince them otherwise. I know.

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It's just like some of that to
me is just part of the talent

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genetic conversation too, like your mentality, because a lot of times that if

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that were the case, tell Kobe
that he ain't go the fuck you know

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what I mean? Say hey Kobe, yeah, man, you probably won't

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be that great in the NBA.
Like he's like, okay, you know,

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like that's not penetrating them, right, right, He's gonna figure it

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out. And that's what's what they
are at their core, and it's the

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opposite where they're limiting themselves. Right
then, Like you know you're not going

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to convince them otherwise, and that's
up for your mom to be like,

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no, you're great. And the
exposure isn't just being introduced to like you

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mentioned, like yeah, you were
introduced to the bar bell, but the

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exposure is like dose dependent, because
you could train for a year and make

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some progress and be good, but
you may not know how strong you can

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get until you get five years of
dosing, ten years of dosing. Same

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with piano. Not every sick piano
player just hops on, he rips.

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Not everyone's a savant, but maybe
someone has it in them. It just

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has more layers to dig through.
And yeah, if you're coming to the

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gym with the first tign ever,
you're like, yeah, I'll probably just

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never mean that. You won't know
until you're ten years in, Like,

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oh, dude, I could get
pretty strong, Like even me, Like

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I was strong for a basketball player, but I never came into power liffing,

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like, oh I could be pretty
strong. I think BARTI even brought

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it up. I was like,
I think I might have been the first

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natty dude to pull seven hundred on
the internet. You know, like that's

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pretty strong, and that's just because
but I had done it for eight years

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by the time that even happened.
Now there's kids pulling eight hundred in their

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first three years, right, the
tallapool is different, et cetera, et

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cetera. And so in the beginning
I always thought I was like, I'm

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not that strong, and I'm really
not. You know, I'm definitely above

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average, but a lot of it's
dose dependent. Mm hm boom. That's

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