April 16, 2025

Getting stiffed by knee sleeves : The politics of IPF approval

Getting stiffed by knee sleeves : The politics of IPF approval

A couple of episodes ago, we talked about a dramatic change in leadership at the International Powerlifting Federation. The latest wrinkle is that the federation has recently notified the manufacturers of “stiff” knee sleeves that their products are...

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A couple of episodes ago, we talked about a dramatic change in leadership at the International Powerlifting Federation. The latest wrinkle is that the federation has recently notified the manufacturers of “stiff” knee sleeves that their products are banned from use in competition – immediately. Is the IPF being fair to manufacturers or its members? What prompted this sudden change?

Mike offers some insights from his past experiences with designing knee sleeves and working to gain IPF approval. What’s the rationale behind a system that only favors companies that pay to play? What’s the future of international competition if numerous companies, especially those that support meets with sponsorship, fail because they have too much money sunk into inventory they can’t sell?

We’ve got more questions than answers, to be honest.

Listener resource: ONIBUKIYA response to the ban on ONI knee sleeves

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There, we are welcome. Before we get into the UH,

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the documentary, I just wanted to see if what kind

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of reaction you might have about the UH I'm chipping

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that's Mike by the way. UH the then stiff Neatslee

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of controversy with the IPF.

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Stupid. I mean, it's just being going on. I did

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read some numbers. I do want to read a number. Yeah,

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I think it was Hansu power. This is the first.

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So this battle's been going on for a long time

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if those that don't know, but basically equipment charges, maybe politics, fees,

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and acceptance into the IPF, which is although power lifting

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is obviously very segmented, I think most people could agree

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the IPF is like the biggest and best, right, Yeah,

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because like it's the most international.

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The biggest international federation.

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Yeah. Yeah, it's got like pipelines in many major cities

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or countries.

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Nobody else in no country based never it's going to

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have as much as that.

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Yeah, WRPF had like a little run and then we

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had Russian lifters that were very strong or international lifters,

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but they'd all just come here if they were untested

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and do whatever. So this is like the FED and

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it feeds to the World Games, which is this year,

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which is a huge deal. I think the first time, right,

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I believe it's the first year, Yeah, which is a

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huge deal. But this battle's been going on forever. The

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only difference now that with social media and powerlifting growing

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exponentially over the last ten years, is there's a lot

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more new sleeve companies, so then there's a lot more

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people to bitch about it. Where I've had my run

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in my hand in this game probably twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen.

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I thought this very battle. I don't know, but I

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do know. Hanzu made a statement.

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Yeah they did, Annie did too. Today.

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I was just trying to see one of them had numbers,

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like how much they thought they had to pay.

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Damn.

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I think they took it down. They still have a statement,

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but it doesn't talk about the numbers unless this is it. Yeah,

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this one doesn't. Oh here it is, Oh, damn it.

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I saw a statement with numbers. These are all very well,

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a sport that deserves to grow, to be taken seriously,

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to be free from corruption, favoritism and hidden agendas, and

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it's all worded very well. But I saw one with numbers,

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and I don't exactly. Remember the battle I was fighting.

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The numbers seem even crazier now because I could have

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sworn someone mentioned six figures to get in there.

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My understanding what I heard back in the day from

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let's say this slingshot people was one hundred and twenty

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five thousand dollars.

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Yeah, and I thought I saw recently a two hundred

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K argument. Again that's allegedly because I can't find the post,

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but I thought one of these companies said it was

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like two hundred that they're asking us. So I'll speak

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from all allegedness so we don't get sued over here.

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The rumor I think now and over the years, and

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you know what they say the people is that it

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sounds like the IPF, like many federations and many things,

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instead of just like taking a soul sponsor, you know,

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like the NBA's jerseys used to always be rebuking. Then

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they're always Nike, right, They would allow companies to have

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equipment in the end of the game if you paid

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a fee. But it sounds like whether behind closed doors

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or quiet friendships, they really did have a key sponsor

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in SBD, and whether there's money exchange, friend exchange blowjob exchange.

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It's all alleged that alleged blowjobs that may be very satisfying. Yeah,

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maybe sbd's blocking these gates, you know and pulling up

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the bridge, so these other companies make them more difficult

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to get in, which it already was. You know, I

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think you know, the numbers were twenty to fifty K

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per item to it in there anyways, then like different

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then they would charge for different color ways. Then they

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would charge for different lengths of you know, one wrist

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wrapping twelve inches versus twenty four, you'd have to pay more,

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et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Meanwhile, and it is

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kind of glaring that SPD is the only company and

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they're giant now, but you know they weren't always that.

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They're the only ones that have never talked about this. Yeah, right,

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so like that's what that's what everyone else complains about it,

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angry about it, protests about it. You know, the homies

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over at Pioneer there's a bunch of people mentioning it,

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especially right now because it's hot. But over the twelve years,

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SPD's never said a word on it that I'm aware of, Right,

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So that's a little bit of a red flag for

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me allegedly, don't sue me. Can the Brits sume me

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over here? I'm sure they can. Somehow we got to

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have a lawyer in the audience that will protect me.

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So recently they just outlawed like twelve different sleeves as

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these sleeves have been stiffer and batter over the last

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probably five years, I'd say they've gone real stiff, maybe

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even less, maybe even three four years with insurer coming

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out and then four yeah, a seven and a bunch

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of other people coming real tough with it. And so

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then now a bunch of people are speaking up. Like

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I said, we spoke up back in the day. I'm

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sure we've Jim and I have had these conversations on

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podcast about it a decade ago. But now there's seven

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companies that can fight it. So will something change? I

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don't know what's the ruling. I don't know. Is it

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a little bit uh weird that maybe it happened a

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month after the main.

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Guy stepped out after guess some people left.

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I personally don't think so, but I've seen people talk

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about that. I assumed this was already in the works,

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you know, like I doubt a new regime took over

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and did that what.

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I read today, and I can't I can't back this

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up other than just being a comment on Reddit that

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apparently guests song have been talking about eliminating stiff knee

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sleeves before, and so that's that's possible for a federation

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that it's worried about what underwear you wear. I could

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see that getting tight about about stiff sleeves being an issue.

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But it's also coincidence that SPDs are just seen less

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since all these sleeves came out, right, Oh yeah.

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Yeah, because it's a shelf space argument.

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In twenty nineteen and twenty twenty, every single person's wearing

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SPD at every USAPO meet. Yeah, then the USAPL split happens,

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and same thing occurs. Then ins or comes out. There's

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a rush for them. A seven comes out, there's a

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rush for them. What's another one? Uh, there's like three

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or four. Hansu even made itself one, right, So like

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you know, it's just it's a it's an eyebrow raise

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of timing there.

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Yeah, for sure. Just not even commenting on the current state,

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but what you were describing before about all the charges

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for different different color ways or different lengths or whatever whatever.

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That just sounds like corruption to me.

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Period. Yeah, it's just pay to play, Yeah, I mean

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when an insane amounts like, uh.

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Let's look up, especially considering the fact that the IPF

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does not support their their top lifters to get to

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international contests. They don't really do anything for them.

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So we're talking in the six figures, very least in

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the five figures. Right in nineteen eighty five, when Michael

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Jordan wore an illegal sneaker in the NBA based on

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colorway uniform, not on company, not on style, right, just colorway,

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which was a stated rule by they paid five thousand

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dollars fines. You know you're not and I know we're

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in twenty twenty, but you're looking at the fucking NBA,

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Michael Jordan and Nike And then now we're paying two

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hundred k to get some wrist wraps in a federation

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that you know, like, what the fuck is that? Yeah?

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And you know, speaking go back just to Slingshot, not

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only was there a fee to get the stuff in,

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but to curry favor. I know that that Mark paid

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to be a sponsor of the the USAPL meet.

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At the Yarnold. Yeah, and maybe it was.

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That was not a small I don't know, I don't

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remember how much money that was, but it was not

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a small amount of No, that's five figs.

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That's five figs. Maybe even the same thing. I know,

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Bart Kwan and US did it with uh. I think

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it was Worlds was in Texas twenty sixteen or so. Yeah,

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and a bunch of American companies try to throw down.

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But then like same thing, Like I think Bart had

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wristraps at the time, and that you couldn't wear the

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wrist reps in the camp. Yeah, how don't even know

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if you can wear his T shirt in the camp.

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And yet yet he could pay five figures to support it. Yeah,

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and flew out there and vogged it whatever. And obviously

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they don't know or care about that, but that was

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a huge deal. Yeah, Like no one cared about your Worlds.

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It was in a high school gymnasium, right, you know.

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And Bart goes down there and gives you hundreds of

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thousands of views for free plus five figure cash and

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you just won't let them wear a T shirt with

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a because of the logo. Yeah, you know, and I

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get it, Like the NBA has some of that shit too,

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and like, but then again, like they just make business moves.

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And I'm sure there's corruption in the NBA, And we

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talked about the other podcast when we talked about the

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corruption that may or may not be in the IPF,

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like it's in FIFA, it's in all these places. But

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at least these basic ass rules are more upfront. Sneakers, jerseys, Yeah,

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just just make one company then pay you a million

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bucks and kick everybody else out. Then that would I

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would understand more.

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I would understand that more too, right, But I think

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to me, it feels like the equipment approval and the

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sponsorship should be decoupled. Those should be separate things. Yeah,

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I mean, and I think that if you're if your

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stuff meets the standards, then they should it should be

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in and if you're because that's lifter friendly.

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Yeah, what about the PGA, you know, like I'm trying

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to think of sports that have multiple manufacturers of equipment

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and that are standardized and have been successful for hundreds

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of years, And the PGA comes to mind because the

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Master's just happened. Maybe there's a fee. I don't know.

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I'm a golfer, but I'm not a golf nerd. Maybe

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there's a fee they have to pay to gain in there,

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but I bet you're right. They're probably a standardization of

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length and whippiness and all this stuff with balls and clubs.

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But then I assume you could probably rock whatever fucking

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club you want to rock, So like, why can't you

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rock the nice leeve you want to rock if it's

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in the standard? And I do know the argument right

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now why they kicked it out is that they said,

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what the that the the sleeves didn't fit the standard?

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But I'm like, you just found that out four years later? Yeah,

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I know. Yeah.

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So this is an interesting This is from a post

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by the Annie Boukiah thought net. The Anie company that

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makes they makes the nice leaves at one of their

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one of the ones. They're one of the ones that

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just got their stiff sleeves banned.

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Uh.

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This is an interesting bit. Firstly, regarding the IPF's announcement

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that the NIE leeve does not meet the standards for neoprene,

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the issue lies with the fact that the term neoprene

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as a trademark of the DuPont Company and is merely

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referenced in the rule book. There is no specific ratios

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or IPF standards outlined in the rule book, either when

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the product was initially certified in twenty twenty two or currently.

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Neoprene is a trademark, so it will refer to the

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material as chloroprene rubber. Our company commissioned a third party

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agency for analysis, and since it contains chloroprene rubber, it

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can be classified as neoprene. While it is true that

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the IPF outsourced the analysis to a third party agency,

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the values provided for chloroprene rubber are merely reference values

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and cannot be used as a basis for determining compliance.

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on set parameters or standards, meaning that analysis alone does

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not guarantee objectivity. To determine compliance based on analysis results, protocols,

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reference values, and acceptable error margins must be set, and

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the analysis method must be reproducible. Furthermore, the validate analysis

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method must be shared with manufacturers in advance, allowing them

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to self inspect before shipment and only after that should

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surprise inspections be conducted. Without this, the test results are meaningless.

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The discrepancy between the IPF's results and our own are

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entirely due to lack of validation.

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Yeah, and it's been going on, you know, like the

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same thing happened in the USPA with us. You know,

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they didn't like our equipment and something you sweat in

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a wrist wrap long enough and it's gonna get longer

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and bigger, right, same like a baggy T shirt, a

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Vinta's T shirt, and then they would measure just our

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shit at check ins show it's an inch too long

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from being sweat and used in and now it's illegal.

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Like this stuff's been going on in powerlifting, and I

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guess to me, yeah, the same reason to bring up

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the PGA in the NBA is like now it's just

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like petty, you know, like you're literally just in bed

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with these places. And I understand the federations have to

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make money, which is the bigger allegations of like what

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the fuck is IPF doing with all this money, who's

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getting paid? What's happening let alone you know, alleged sex

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scandals and all this other bullshit. But like and again

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it's the same people up there bitching about like the

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sport not growing, like da, you're doing everything to like

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fuck it up, like exactly that we do need standardized

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on equipment one billion percent. But like, yeah, I almost

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guarantee that the IPF never sent every sleeve out to

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a third party testing. They probably had someone in their

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bedroom with calipers fucking clicking on it and then like

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feeling it if it's neoprene, or feeling it if it's

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bonded to something. And I do know, like you know,

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because I design these sleeves like that that is that

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does matter, like how thick, how dense the neoprene is

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matters a ton, and then the layer that it's bonded to,

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which it does state in IPF rule book that it

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can't be like supportive of any nature. But again that

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seems like fucking which can make Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

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I wish we did. We made a prototype of that,

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which is fucking sick, but I remember that. Yeah, but

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but but even that, like what does that mean? Yeah,

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you know, like it's just wishy washy. So if you're

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gonna make these stiff rules, like you can't say, you know,

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can't be supportive, like everything's gonna support you know, like

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you you could bond if you put enough crinkled dry

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leaves on my elbow, you know, it's going to do something. Yeah,

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caught right right, soft and fluffy. But if you do

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enough of it, now you've got a squat suit.

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Yeah that's what denim's made.

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Yeah, now you got a fucking squad suit. So like

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that just seems so arbitrary, and I don't know, you know,

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I don't know. It sucks because a lot of these

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companies obviously bank on it, and a lot of these

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companies nowadays more than ever, have niched down into a federation. Yeah,

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you know, because they're international companies. Hansuit and all these

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places probably only have the IPF where they're at.

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And there's a really good chance that that a bunch

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of these businesses are going to fail because they can't

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they can't sell their percent equipment to competitors hundred percent.

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And yeah, it really does raise an eyebrow of SBD,

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you know. And we can just see it at the

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meats we run. You know, over the last three years,

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we've probably had five hundred plus competitors, right, maybe more,

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and you see you know, swear to Gone twenty nineteen,

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it's probably over ninety percent would be SBD, and I

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would say maybe under thirty percent. Now, yeah, you know,

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and so maybe they noticed. That's probably what I no,

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that's what yeah, I mean, it's just like a hell

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of an eyebrow raise like oh like, and I go

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to gym's everywhere when I travel or whatever, and yeah,

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you see less of them, you see more even, Yeah,

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like our homies at Village Iron and you know, you

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see a bunch of like more novelty style and neisse

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leaves that are popular. And so the markets open up.

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Jim Reapers or whatever is doing a fucking twenty ten

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booth at the Arnold, like all the other companies are

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obviously having success in the space. And yeah, maybe people

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aren't willing to I don't know, man, Yeah it sucks.

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It sucks because I don't know the truth. But it

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does seem pretty red flaggy from my history with it all.

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And if you're if you're talking about number one number one,

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powerlifting is not basketball or golf or baseball or any

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of the any of the sports where that kind of

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of control or regulation or whatever makes a bigger difference.

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Yeah, I mean, even baseball is good. One. Maybe we

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got a new bat around everyone's slamming homers. Yeah, say word, yeah, exactly.

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The standards for for bats are very very specific about

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length and composition.

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But not about earth.

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About girth, yeah, about or how they're how the construction.

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You can't make them hollow, you can't put quirks in

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them so that they're lighter or whatever. But other than that,

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it's a pretty pretty open game.

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Yeah, it can't be metal or I mean, I.

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Think that I don't don't quote me on this, but

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I think that the sambat, the one that Barry Bonds

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used towards his end of his career, the Mabel bat,

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I think that that was started in somebody's basement or

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garage or something, you know.

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I'm sure, And that's how you know, like, and that's

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at the highest level of sport in the world. Yeah, right,

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And now with billions of dollars with a bat. Yeah,

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and now we're talking, you know, zero dollars for winning

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the IPF Champs. I don't think you get paid, do you.

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Maybe they get a little something, I don't know, not much, yeah,

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not much. Yeah, it's definitely not even paying their trip

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to lot Via or wherever they're competing. And then and

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then now you're just bitching about this and again it's

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just because of the relationships in the past. I know

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if I didn't have the pass in the industry because

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a lot of people don't know that. Yeah, you know,

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because a lot of people got too power lifting like

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twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen who are currently in it, and

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then the other people that have been in a long

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time probably weren't on that side of the business so

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they didn't pay attention. But even the T shirt things

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always been weird, you know because like local meets or

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even like that. I think technically they can ban you

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from wearing a T shirt if that company hasn't paid

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a fee to the federations. You know, yeah, like that

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is just crazy.

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That is not remotely lift your friendly. Another thing that

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is not.

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Either company friendly or like yeah, it's like fucking communism,

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Like are we just not going to allow small business

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to succeed?

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Well that actually that takes me to my next point,

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which is if you cause these smaller companies that are

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probably contributing the money needs to local meats to fail,

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they're the only ones, then how is that benefit power lifting.

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Or then then it goes back to what we said,

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like okay, then get Rogue Fitness in SBD to pay

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you five million and fuck everybody else, which is fine, Yeah,

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it don't exclude of contract. That's fine, Like I get it.

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But then but then they better be everywhere. You better

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send me the jersey when I'm on the world's team,

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you know. Then it's like some NBA stuff, And even

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NBA I think went away from it, where like some

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teams of Jordan jerseys, and I know Jordan's owned by Nike,

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but some teams are Nike jerseys. And then like I'm

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sure they have to get it passed somehow through the league,

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but they have Chase Bank on their chest, they got

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McDonald's on their you know, like yeah, and I'm sure

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that there's some regulation they're not gonna but I don't know.

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They do crypto and people hate crypto. You know, half

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the world thinks crypto is fucking El Diablo, you know, like.

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And there's a whole crypto arena.

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Right right, So like maybe they don't even have to

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pass it by the league because that arena came out

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in like twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. I feel like when

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people really thought crypto was only for buying you know,

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math on the internet, not that it's not, but still, no,

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it's definitely not. It's one percent, not by percentage. There's

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way more crime happening with USD than there is bitcoin. Yeah,

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you know, like it just none of it makes sense

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if these bigger people can do. And then the shoe thing,

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like a player Jalen Brown, who is very outspoken about

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sneakers in the league, and you know, maybe he's a

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smart cat, So I wouldn't argue because he's behind closed

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doors that we're not talking about him not making the

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Olympic team, et cetera, because he's not a Nike athlete

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all these things. He just made his own shoe and

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he's allowed to wear it. He just made his own

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shoe company over the last two years and he gets

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to wear in the league, and he's pretty vocal. I

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would assume he would say something about having to pay

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a fee for it.

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I feel like all the major league sports allow athletes

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to wear their own shoes now, and they don't. They're

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not police in color way.

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There might be logo rules on shirts, but then again,

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that's because Nike or whoever probably paid five hundred million

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dollars to make the jerseys, you know, so you're either

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has to be the NBA logo that logo or no logo.

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But like, but then you can even put that into

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the Nice League game if you really, you know, like

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there's ways to do it without just like yeah, like

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being in bed and blocking everybody.

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You know that the King's Jersey logo sponsor. No one

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that has a patch is dial pad. That's a B

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to B business. I don't even understand that.

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Yeah, yeah, they just hope business owners. Some people just

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need to fork money out or thought it'd be cool. Yeah,

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I agree. I mean even Crypto dot com. Like I

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get it, but.

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Like I get it, but I don't get it, yeah

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the same time.

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And that's all marketing, right, Like me seeing McDonald's on

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a Kanese jersey doesn't make me you know, But yeah,

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that's just old school marketing. But that's been going on

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in Europe. I think soccer is the same shit, but

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that's a little bit more even independent. I think it's

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by club. Each club, each international team gets to choose,

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you know, Argentina's with Adidas and Spain's with Nike or whatever,

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and then the international team gets to choose kind of

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like college college of basketballs like that. Typically a bigger

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college will get a contract with a company and then

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they're doing jerseys and sneakers. But yeah, I don't know,

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I don't I just don't understand it. It really does

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feel yeah, maybe not it kind of communists, but just

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feels like so fast, just like what are we doing?

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Like why are you trying to control ship that you

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don't need to control, Like there's other ways to make money, yeah,

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you know, or yeah, like make the feast stand. And

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then yeah, when we were going through it, they were

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like blocking years. So first we heard those X amount

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of dollars, then we sent all our equipment like, oh,

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well you can't get in. We only do it every

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five years.

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Right.

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It just felt made up, you know. It felt like

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every hurdle you jumped, there's a wall in front, and.

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So it's like it was made up as they went along.

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Yeah, and and it sounds like that's reoccurring again. Maybe

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that's because SPD, Maybe APF's losing money. Maybe they're all

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losing money and so they're just trying to like squeeze

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every ounce of it. Where again, I just think there's

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more things to be done, Like I could probably just

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brainstorm in an hour find ten ways that the IPF

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could increase revenue and make it cool, you know, because

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you're just gonna you're just gonna shove lifters away. And

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like you said that, these companies make the company the

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sport go. It's always been that way if you think, like,

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obviously it's not viewership, right because it's a participation sports.

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You're not watching IPF Worlds unless you lift weights or

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it's your kid, and even that you're probably skipping it

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for your kid. Fuck them. And then two company wise, yeah,

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like name one big company that's dove in here. Not

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a single one, No, because we got no viewership. So

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then like you're just literally gonna like try to squeeze

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a rock for some juice. Like it just makes no sense.

457
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And I I mean, I wouldn't necessarily accuse SBD of

458
00:22:20.599 --> 00:22:27.480
having manipulated the situation. I feel like it's maybe more

459
00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:32.640
likely that that they were incentive there, and they sort

460
00:22:32.680 --> 00:22:39.160
of incentivized the the people who control the IPF possible into.

461
00:22:41.160 --> 00:22:44.279
Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean the dirty part. Yeah, could

462
00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:46.440
have gone a lot of ways, you know, because SPD

463
00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:48.720
does run all the big competitions and they sponsor all

464
00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:51.039
this stuff, and they sponsored the big athletes. Yeah, so

465
00:22:51.079 --> 00:22:53.240
they might have you know, thrown some blackmail in there

466
00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:54.920
and said, hey, we're pulling out of every event if

467
00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:57.079
you don't help us, you know, we help you. But

468
00:22:57.680 --> 00:22:59.279
then other companies could have done it too, you know.

469
00:22:59.319 --> 00:23:02.759
And even that's it's weird, where like Rogue was so

470
00:23:02.799 --> 00:23:04.599
popular for a while, we mentioned it even in our gym.

471
00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:07.119
Even just being open five years, we've noticed, like when

472
00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:09.440
we first opened, everyone wanted a Rogue rack because that's

473
00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:12.039
what happened at Nationals. Then Rogue lost the contract, and

474
00:23:12.079 --> 00:23:13.559
all they want is in a Laco rack, and then

475
00:23:13.559 --> 00:23:15.920
a Laco lost contract. Now all the kids, all they

476
00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:18.880
want is a TSS rack. Like it's all just bullshit, mean,

477
00:23:18.920 --> 00:23:21.640
while all the racks were the exact goddamn same. The

478
00:23:21.720 --> 00:23:24.839
nie leaves are gonna work within three percent of each other. Yeah,

479
00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:26.920
and you see all the og lifters talking about that

480
00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:29.759
and talking shit and and to me, yeah, I don't know, man,

481
00:23:29.839 --> 00:23:31.920
it's just so bad. It's all so bad.

482
00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:41.279
It's it's it's a self filling, self fulfilling prophecy of failure.

483
00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:46.200
It is, yeah, a self own it is. It's cutting

484
00:23:46.240 --> 00:23:48.839
off the nose despite the face. It's all of those

485
00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:54.920
like bad cliches about how how organizations inflict unnecessary pain

486
00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:55.920
on themselves.

487
00:23:56.079 --> 00:23:59.519
Yeah. Yeah, it feels so corporate that whoever's making these

488
00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:03.839
decisions has never done anything themselves, and they can't zoom

489
00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:06.079
out and see the macro, right because you got to

490
00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:08.440
see the landscape or sure in the micro. Yeah, your

491
00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:12.240
profits fucking skyrocketed because you charge people one hundred k

492
00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:14.519
to wear a niece leave in a year. But like

493
00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:16.839
zoom out, you know, and it's gonna turn people away

494
00:24:16.880 --> 00:24:18.799
from the sport. It's gonna turn people away from your fed,

495
00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:22.160
which it has in the past, and all right now,

496
00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:24.119
like I already feel like it's a little rocky. Obviously,

497
00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:27.319
powerlifting American Nationals seem to be really big this year.

498
00:24:27.559 --> 00:24:30.079
A lot of people started head in that direction with

499
00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:33.079
a lot of talent, and maybe that's why they're just

500
00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:35.119
so confident that they're the only showing town that they

501
00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:37.279
can do whatever they want. But eventually it's just not

502
00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:39.839
gonna be the case, and eventually there's gonna be people pissed,

503
00:24:39.920 --> 00:24:42.200
or eventually, if it's real dirty, you're gonna get sued

504
00:24:42.200 --> 00:24:44.039
the fuck up, because now there's seven companies that are

505
00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:44.720
pissed about it.

506
00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:49.000
Yeah yeah, well I uh, I think I think Hansu

507
00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:51.680
is suing. There's more than I think. There's definitely more

508
00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:52.079
than one.

509
00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:56.160
Yeah, I mean they could all get together easily, Sae. Yeah,

510
00:24:56.200 --> 00:24:59.640
I saw playing. Yeah, even in the lifters too, you know, like, yeah,

511
00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:01.680
I just all comments from about three or four companies,

512
00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:03.720
and it is it sucks because all those companies throw

513
00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:06.480
money at this fed and again, it really is like

514
00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:09.160
a breathing community more than it is like a sport.

515
00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:11.279
You know, the NBA is a corporate sport. It's a

516
00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:17.000
big ass association. But powerlifting is breathing entity and you're

517
00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:17.799
gonna fuck that up.

518
00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:23.599
Annie and their posts talked about how how they were

519
00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:29.640
they were billed for a monthly payment for approval for

520
00:25:31.039 --> 00:25:32.319
any sleeve that was banned.

521
00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:35.759
Yeah, it's like what, Yeah, you're gonna be a bitch

522
00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:39.200
and fuck up your back end paperwork. It's like what yeah,

523
00:25:39.559 --> 00:25:43.200
oh my god. Yeah, it's obviously been disorganized and there

524
00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:44.880
is like a changing of the crown, so like it

525
00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:48.440
might even get worse before it gets better, if it.

526
00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:52.759
All gets better. I think that, yeah, I think that

527
00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:54.680
that part of the reason, and I'll say this over

528
00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:57.119
and over again, part of the reason that that that

529
00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:03.640
I PF is as quirky and screwed up as it

530
00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:06.920
often is, is because they keep thinking that it's going

531
00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:09.680
to get into the Olympics, and that would not only

532
00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:13.160
be ultimately a bad thing, it would also be an

533
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:14.799
impossible thing. It's never gonna happen.

534
00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:17.599
Yeah, Yeah, I don't know, man. Yeah, And then like,

535
00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:20.680
I don't know. There's a lot of thoughts I have,

536
00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:23.000
but I can't really word them because it is just

537
00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:25.720
so I guess the truth is, Yeah, sure, we don't

538
00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:27.400
really know what's going on. And I haven't seen all

539
00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:29.680
these people's sleeves. I do know the injuries are are

540
00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:32.359
pretty crazy. I think I wore subosses. They're pretty crazy.

541
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:36.039
But then but then like, also, you know, I've mentioned

542
00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:39.559
this on numerous podcasts over the years, there's an amazing

543
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:43.440
ted talk about actually advancement in sport beyond the human

544
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:46.400
and how you know, the first miles would start to

545
00:26:46.400 --> 00:26:48.960
get broken because we're running on different shit. First they're

546
00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:51.279
running on high grass, then they're running on cut grass, they're

547
00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:54.279
running on gravel, then they're running on this fancy padded clay.

548
00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:57.799
And sure, humans have gotten better and the mental portion

549
00:26:57.880 --> 00:26:59.599
of breaking the five minute mile, other guys did it.

550
00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:03.200
There's there's advancements in both basketball, same thing. You know,

551
00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:05.720
it's in a fucking cherry basket, then it's in a

552
00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:09.000
regular rim, then fucking shacks breaking all the backboards. So

553
00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:11.079
then they went to a breakaway rim with a spring,

554
00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:14.000
you know, like they're you do need to go. And

555
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:17.319
I'm not one to say where that line is because yeah,

556
00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:21.160
you want to distinguish raw from multiplay obviously, But golf,

557
00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:23.480
I mean I have I have my grandpa's clubs, and

558
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:28.200
they're fucking wood, you know, like everything is wood. Uh,

559
00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:31.039
and that's less than one hundred years ago, and now

560
00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:36.599
you see them and they're fucking fiber crazy, titanium craziness.

561
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:40.880
Like you also want tiger woods to smack the ball

562
00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:43.079
four hundred yards, you know, you don't want to see

563
00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:48.559
them suck either. And so powerlifting, like, my point is

564
00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:50.839
that the nisles that I've worn and seen are not

565
00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:55.440
drastic enough in my opinion to draw the line. They're

566
00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:58.559
not st Yeah, yeah, it's not a knee rap yet.

567
00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:01.680
And even if it was, like knee wraps not helping

568
00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:04.720
your deadlift or your squat or excuse me, your bench. Yeah,

569
00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:07.160
and it's not making you squat two hundred pounds more,

570
00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:10.640
you know, like it. The injurs feel like a pretty

571
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:12.960
good made shit, you know, and like it helps and

572
00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:16.720
lifters like them. You got to get in, you know.

573
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:20.599
You have to understand where that line is of cheating

574
00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:25.319
or moving too fast and advancing the sport. And I

575
00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:28.400
don't think we've crossed that line yet. They obviously do.

576
00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:33.720
I think that I think it's more about it should

577
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:37.519
be more about a level playing field, right, But I

578
00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:40.839
think that letting the market determine what a level playing

579
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:46.039
field looks like is a better choice than doing it

580
00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:47.039
through regulation.

581
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:50.440
Yeah, I agree, Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I don't really

582
00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:53.319
see the win. Besides, that's why it sounds dirty, right,

583
00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:55.279
because what's the win for the IPF with this?

584
00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:58.119
Oh, I have no idea. Maybe they're getting more money

585
00:28:58.119 --> 00:28:58.799
for it, I don't.

586
00:28:58.599 --> 00:28:59.200
Know, That's my point.

587
00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:02.920
The only how cold They possibly be getting more money SPD?

588
00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:05.319
But sybe not more money.

589
00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:07.559
Yeah, they would have to be making up all of

590
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:11.160
the revenue they lost from Angliff. They keep billing people for.

591
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:13.279
These Maybe a rev share, you don't know how dirty

592
00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:15.000
or business see these things get. They might have a

593
00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:17.759
rev share with SPD. Hey, every sleeve we sell after

594
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:19.599
you ban this ship will give you five percent who

595
00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:22.039
you know, Yeah, it might not be money, it might

596
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:24.839
be maybe they're homies. I don't know all these people,

597
00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:27.440
you know, Like I don't know who owns SPD.

598
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:31.400
And it's not necessarily that we have any any facts

599
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:35.039
around these things. We're reflecting, Like how.

600
00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:38.039
The reaction basically, yeah, well, I mean people's reaction.

601
00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:40.319
What people are saying about it. Yeah, many people are

602
00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:42.480
saying is some people said, yeah.

603
00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:44.599
I don't know. I do not know. It's all alleged.

604
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:47.599
I don't know. We'll probably never know, but it does

605
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:51.400
raise a lot of eyebrows on like why Yeah, because

606
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:53.759
I haven't messed with the other sleeves, Like yeah, the

607
00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:55.920
han Zu, I think that a seven. They don't. They

608
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:59.279
didn't even feel crazy because they got banned. I think too.

609
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:01.920
A lot of people use them, yeah yeah. The rick

610
00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:04.039
and Mortars, Yeah, a lot of people use those.

611
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:04.559
Yeah.

612
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:05.039
I don't know.

613
00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:08.519
I think I think it's because uh insers were starting

614
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:11.720
the quality starting to get worse, so then the rick

615
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:13.960
and Mortars came out and they're like, oh, this is crazy.

616
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:17.200
All of its costs. It's so just like the sandlot

617
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:19.599
sneaker thing, you know, like you buy the flyers are

618
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:21.599
gonna be a heck of fast, like bitch, you know,

619
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:24.799
like like any new sleeve is gonna feel better than

620
00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:27.119
an old sleeve, the same idea. You're gonna sweating it.

621
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:30.440
You know, it's just Catton strings holding it together, or

622
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:35.680
nylon is just gonna stretch. Uh yeah, it sucks. It sucks.

623
00:30:35.720 --> 00:30:39.799
It'd be crazy SBD comes up with like a sleeve right.

624
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:41.759
Right, well, and that's like that's like the main argument too,

625
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:44.079
Like like they're the only ones that haven't advanced their

626
00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:46.799
niece leeve in the last seven years, ten years. Their

627
00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:48.839
same neist leave that's out now came out a long

628
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:51.640
time ago. Like that's why. Again, they're the only ones

629
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:54.000
that don't complain about it. They're the only ones not banned,

630
00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:56.480
and they're the only ones that haven't tried to make

631
00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:59.200
an advanced one. Those just raise eyebrows to me, you know,

632
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:03.000
in a free market, that seems weird. They know, to

633
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:05.480
not make a stiff one, right, why wouldn't That's what

634
00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:07.279
I would be doing as soon as Insurer came out.

635
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:08.960
If I own an leeve coming right now, I'm trying

636
00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:11.000
to make a better one. I'm trying to one up them,

637
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:13.599
and they seem like the only company that hasn't tried to.

638
00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:16.799
So yeah, I don't know, man, I don't know. And yeah,

639
00:31:16.839 --> 00:31:18.799
they sponsored you know, they almost have a monopoly on

640
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:21.960
sponsoring world athletes. They obviously have a monopoly on some

641
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:25.480
of the bigger events. And then again like, yeah, if

642
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:28.519
you just make that a verbal known sponsorship, now it's

643
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:30.480
not weird. Now, it's not a monopoly to me, you know,

644
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:33.960
I agree. But the communication I think has always been

645
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:37.319
an issue with the IPF. Communication and power liffing in

646
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:40.519
general has always been an issue. So they'll probably continue.

647
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:44.440
Well here's the thing. I think we had a complete

648
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:46.480
enough discussion about this. We're just let's just end this

649
00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:48.440
as an episode and then go into our next one.

650
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.880
So yeah, I'm down. Yeah, backlog, Yeah, let us know

651
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:53.920
what you guys think. Twitter, wherever you want to hit

652
00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:58.680
us up, Discord Good Company, Discord dot com. We're in

653
00:31:58.720 --> 00:31:59.839
there if you want to let us know your thoughts

654
00:31:59.880 --> 00:32:01.920
on I would probably affect. And it does suck because

655
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:03.359
a lot of power if theers are like either young

656
00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:05.680
kids with no money or just everyone struggles with money

657
00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:07.920
here and there. Now you have to buy another pair

658
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:10.559
of one hundred and thirty dollars fucking niece leaves. Now

659
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:13.000
your other ones are used, literally useless if you compete

660
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:15.759
like you don't even want to wear them. Yeah, yeah,

661
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:17.799
I don't know. I don't know. It sucks. Sucks for everybody,

662
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:19.359
but uh, new episodes every Wednesday.

663
00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:22.680
Fam, I'm Sebastian score banblon.

664
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:25.559
Ig, I am at the g mcdeonne all the social media.

665
00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:27.400
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