April 23, 2025

Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief (2015)| Review | Examining media about cults

Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief (2015)| Review | Examining media about cults

We’re taking a closer look at a topic that we’ve touched on briefly before: Media covering the effects and inner workings of cults. The HBO documentary Going Clear is one of the most recognizable documentaries about the Church of Scientology....

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We’re taking a closer look at a topic that we’ve touched on briefly before: Media covering the effects and inner workings of cults. The HBO documentary Going Clear is one of the most recognizable documentaries about the Church of Scientology. Celebrities like Tom Cruise have deep ties to this cult that was founded by prolific author L. Ron Hubbard.

Some interesting aspects of this belief system are the need to pay huge sums of money to advance to higher levels of the organization and the fact that many aspects are not even explained to members until they have reached specific levels.

For all its focus on mental health, are believers actually involved in activities that support good mental health?

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All right, we're in Okay. So we just did a

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thing we don't usually do, and that's we started a

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conversation that I thought we didn't have a necessarily a

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whole lot to say about it, and we did have

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a lot to say about it, and so that is

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its own episode and now we're plowing into Going Clear.

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We had a conversation in the during the last review

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that we did with our friend Dean sodoris about a

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skateboard company that basically collapsed because its owner because of

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its owners association with the Church of Scientology, and so

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we said, geez, we don't I don't know that much

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about about the inner workings of of of Scientology. And

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the sort of like true to Scientology documentary is Going Clear. Yeah,

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about ten years.

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Ago or so, we're on a run of Colts, Ladies

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and jentlemen join us. Colts have always kind of interested me.

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This first thing I'll say is, this isn't the movie

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I thought it was. Okay, so I've seen this one

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and then I rewatched it.

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Which one? Did you?

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I told you it was like The King of Queen's Lady.

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Yeah, Leah Remini.

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I think there's like a whole one almost based on her.

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It's yeah, and I thought it was this one, but

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she wasn't even mentioned, right, No, she.

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Wasn't mentioned at all. It was Paul Haggis and it

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was that actor guy.

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Obviously John Travolta and were mentioned. Oh, Jean John was

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kind of interviewed, but I don't think he was interviewed

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for this, right. That was pieces.

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It was all pieces, because a new.

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One would have been so good, a new John Travolta

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interview on this, And I told sub us that all

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the air is that this one's good, and it is.

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It's kind of like a good historic give you an

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idea of what the fuck's going on in this place movie?

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You know.

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It almost feels like a history doc in a good way.

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Where the one with her, The King of Queen's Lady Leah,

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felt a little bit more emotional. And maybe it's probably

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newer because it felt like it was just shot a

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little bit better. And I think it's mostly again, I've

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seen all these when they came out, which is, yeah,

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probably eight years ago, so I don't fully remember, but

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it does feel more on her with some other folks.

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So yeah, I was actually a series that ran from

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twenty sixteen to twenty nineteen. Lea Remedy, Scientology and the

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Aftermath was sort of a follow up to this, although

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it was not an HBO.

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I definitely didn't watch four years worth, but I was.

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I'm sure you didn't either. It was a good amount

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and it was pretty entertaining.

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A thing that I will say is I have not

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watched this before, but I had seen segments of it before,

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and I think it was when Lea Remedy's show was

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on that like one of the national news things did

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a I don't know it was like Nightline or something

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like that did a long segment on Scientology. So I

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had seen a bunch of this stuff before. The history

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part is not the whole not the whole thing.

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The history part is funny because it's like, uh, like

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everyone even now, like Sebas or whatever, knows like scientology

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know like, oh, some weirdos or something, but you don't

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know what's going on. And then they really did just

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prop Propagandai's celebrities to make it cool and like known, yeah,

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because like it. I just can't imagine it was that popular,

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even though I think they had already bought the Hollywood

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place in the nineties but yeah, I think so. So

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they must have been obviously racking in the dough somewhere, yeah,

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because I was thinking, like, I just feel like it

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couldn't and you can obviously speak on a better meme

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because I was born in eighty eight, but I just

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feel like it wasn't publicly a thing as much until

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like Tom Cruise.

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Yeah, Tom Cruise, and and well probably Travolta and yeah,

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and then Cruise, yeah.

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Because like and then he was already dead by then,

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you know, Elron, Oh, yeah, you know, and so like yeah,

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so I guess for those that don't know scientology is

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based is a I guess religion based on l Ron Hubbard,

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who was a creative writer, which I didn't know. He

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I think still, at least in twenty fifteen, owned like

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the most books ever written. Is that what they said, Yeah, which.

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Is insane, over a thousand books.

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Yeah, they said he's a typing fiend.

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The one that most people would would know was Battlefield Earth,

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which the first part of it was made into a

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terrible movie with John Travolta. Oh, I didn't know, really

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really makes a really bad makes sense one of the

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literally one of the worst movies of all time.

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Yeah, Like with her the documentary Leia, they go a

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little bit more into what he wrote this one that's

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kind of Glazer, but like he basically wrote like alien movies,

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you know, like he's a sci fi alien guy, and

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that was turned into a religion. Yeah, that was his

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main thing.

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Yeah, the whole thing.

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Yeah. And then so yeah, he basically promotes this thing.

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I actually I told someone this too. I feel like, like,

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obviously el Ron's off his rock or a good amount,

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but I actually feel like maybe he wasn't that malicious

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for a cult leader, just based on the fact that

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he kind of like bought into his own shit. You know,

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so he was already just screwy in the head rather

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than like I'm gonna make everyone sip kool aid and die. Yeah.

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You know, like I'm not saying he's a good person,

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but in the cult leader spectrum, I think he's more

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on the good side than they drink kool aid and

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I'm gonna kill you all, just based again on the

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fact that like he truly started to believe like they said,

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he spent hours of it by himself on that machine.

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You know, like he's just poor guy's insane.

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He's not like auditing on the E forgot the name already,

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but they basically had this electric yeah meter where you're

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like just digging into your subconscious truths and memories and

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filtering and it's like it's galvanic skin response. So it's

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very similar to to a light detector, but it's only

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one part of the light detector equation. It's like one

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a third of it, right, and light folks, yeah don't

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prove shit.

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Yeah, they're very bad.

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They do not prove shit.

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And so like yeah, basically they they the one of

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the core proponents or components of this religion is this

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machine that you do alone I think what you figure

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it out, but eventually first you do it with someone

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like a leader, and you're digging into your subconscious and

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they compared it kind of to like a Freudian styles

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like psych session, where you're you're kind of like confessing

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and like confronting this stuff, which again like doesn't sound

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like that terrible. Like obviously there's this money factor on

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the back end and Elron going through taxes and you know,

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figuring all that out. But on the on the core,

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he's not like and I know some people got abused later,

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but that sounds like it was like the next guy, right,

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Like it sounds like Elron's just off his rocker and

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then like kind of wanted to help people. Like I'm

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not saying he's a good guy again, Like, but on

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the spectrum of bad people, I think there's a lot

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worse people than Elron where second in power definitely was

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on a power trip and and use that to probably

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lock people in closets and fucking slave labor and who

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knows what.

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See. To me, that is a really good example of

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of cult behavior where you start to see like lieutenants

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rise and they yet even higher on their own supply,

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and cruelty becomes the like sort of the main message. Yeah.

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The Stanford study, Yeah, which there's I mean that the

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results of that are very up and up and sure

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because it's not like a study study, but it's a

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great example. But people in these circumstances, particularly you know,

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certain personality traits and probably walking into it with low

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self esteem and whatever, and they actually start to just

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get off on punishing people. It turns into a BDSM

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almost situation.

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You know. The Stanford study.

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Is it where they have people like lower and power

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and people.

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Basically they set up like a prison in the school. Yeah,

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all with students, and you just like randomly became one

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of the other. And yeah, it's not like a great

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documented study in terms of data and control group, et cetera,

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et cetera, but it's just an easy thing to point

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to when you're looking at like certain personalities probably aren't

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made for power.

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Yeah, yeah, and we're definitely seeing that here. A thing

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that was not mentioned in this at all, which I

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was kind of surprised by, is that Miskevitch, the guy

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who runs Scientology. Now he's still around, right, Yeah, he's

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still around, but I don't think he's been seen in

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a bit. But his wife really hasn't been seen in years.

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It's like she disappeared, just entirely disappeared. And the question

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is always like where is she and what happened to her?

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Is she still alive?

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Interesting?

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Like what what's the story? There's no good explanation.

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Is there any new celebt berties that have joined this thing?

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See that's a good question, right because because them like

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disappearing or like Scientology has talked about less now, but

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also Hollywood has changed, right, Like the modern day celebrity

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are the same celebrities. I think, like name a new

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one that came up, Like you can name a handful,

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but like like Will Smith, Denzel, Tom Cruise, like there's

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still the celebrities and two new generations. You know, you're

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looking to the internet the logan Paul's the whatever, the athletes,

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but like celebrityhood in general has kind of changed. So

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I'd wondered if anyone actually like crept in there.

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Elizabeth Moss, I know the name, ironically, Handmaid's Tale.

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That's yeah, not like crazy modern.

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Look Laura Prepon, who was on that seventies show. She

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was the ginger chick. She left the church.

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There's a lot of issue on seventy shows in there.

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Oh yeah, someone else's get arrested or something.

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Danny Masterson. Yeah, and it was several years ago and

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he got convicted rape. But then yeah, and the church

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like paid for his defense and it didn't make any difference.

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In regular church or scientology scientology oh one too. Yes,

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they just grabbed all of that seventies show, not all

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of them. Who knows what Ashton's knowing?

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Yeah, yeah, uh, he seems to be cool.

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I don't know, it sounds like it. I don't know.

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Because because then there's something weird with Mela. He married Mila, right, yeah,

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but there's like a weird age gap.

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She's younger for sure.

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I think she was like sixteen on the show.

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Oh yeah, she was. She was very young. She was

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she was playing her age.

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Where he was like twenty seven playing eighteen. Yeah, there

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was some weirdness.

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Michael Penya is on this list of current members. Yes,

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well you would. You would probably know him from the

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the An movies.

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Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And I was gonna say,

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what's the end to watch.

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And to watch one of my favorite movies again the time?

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So good.

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Yeah, he's really good. But even him, like he's not

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like a new celeb. He's a new movies obviously, but

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like he's an old celeb, you know, like scientology is

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like whatever cool factor they had, like Hollywood. They kind

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of went down with Hollywood. Yeah.

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Yeah, So Kirsty Alley dead, but she was a scientologist.

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Ann Archer who was with Ellen DeGeneres for a while.

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Jenna Elfman was Sanny Elfman. Jenna Elfman related to Danny,

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I don't think so. And Giovanni Ribisi you've seen him

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in a million things.

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That's sad Michael Penya, I do like Michael Penya.

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I think Nancy Cartwright.

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And I think there was like a rumor where it

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was like, do you know Sabrina Carpenter? Yeah, I guess

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a new name like Sabrina carp I.

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Think she was trying to probably convert her into being

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a scientologist.

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Yeah, yeah, and even like the conversion, right like colts

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sometimes obviously cults are broad, but a lot of times

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they really feed on the lost and loose, right, those

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that have nothing going for him, right, Like the best

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example is Ninja turtles, right, they grab all the what

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are they call it? The what are the you don't

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know the ninja's names? No, the bad Ninjas clan clans. No,

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it really is like the clans.

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It's something like it's something clan, the Fist clan. Yeah,

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see it's the Foot clan. The Foot fetish clan are

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in the movies.

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They're high school like dropout kids, right, yeah, right, so

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that's what I think of Colt, and I'm sure many

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do represent that were this again, Like, I don't want

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to defend Alron because you're all going to think I'm crazy.

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But like l Ron sells it, he sells it well

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and very calculated because he doesn't sell it as a religion,

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and he hides all the weird ship toll. You're a

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level eight and he've already already bought in, right, the

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normal shit is just like yeah, man, let's like clear

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your mind, let's make you feel better. Right. He sells

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it as like therapy and life coaching. And then you

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pay one hundred thousand, and then you level up and

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learn a little something. Then you pay a one hundred thousand. Yeah,

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you learn a little something. Then you pay you know,

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three hundred thousand, and now you realize that you're talking

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to you know, Zen on the fucking alien. Then then

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you're like, oh fuck you know, but the first three

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steps you're like, yeah, man, like I just need a

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little help. Yeah, And this guy's smart. He's written more

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books than anyone we know smart.

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Right, shit, now it would be all AI or as

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our education.

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I'm gonna break his record with AI books. Fuck you,

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l Ron.

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Or as our education secretary likes to say a one.

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For some reason, she's in Steak sauce. I don't know others. Uh,

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this one is a bit of a surprise. Jerry Seinfeld

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was apparently involved for a while. Jerry, but he's left,

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but he still speaks highly of the group for some reason.

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And uh Brad Pitt, Yeah, I remember that one, but.

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He left as well. And then Katie Holmes I saw

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on Broadway because of Tommy, because of tom Yeah, there's

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a whole bit in the movie about how after they

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drove what's her face away? Leah No, uh, Tom Cruise's

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first wife. Oh yeah, ye Australian actress blonde, blonde actually

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sort of strawberry.

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Yeah, I forgot kidnap.

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Why am I having kid Yes? Yeh kidman? Yeah yeah,

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uh him complaining, Uh no that was Ama Thurman.

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Isn't kid min in a Batman? Yeah she is.

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No, she's just she's just a reporter or something, or

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psychologist or something. She was doing with Val Kilmer. R

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I p Val Kilmer. If you haven't seen the valcamer documentary, folks,

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I would suggest that you watch it because he's interesting

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and crazy.

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I was gonna say, maybe a little too heavy for me.

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Super crazy. Yeah, I mean it's got his light moments

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and his dark moments. But I thought I thought it

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was really good, and I was I was kind of

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a fan that knew he was sort of a little

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maybe a little bit of a difficult person. But I

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kind oft know people who he was friends with, he

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was really close with. He was he got close again

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with speaking of Tom Cruise, with Tom Cruise like they

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always were.

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I don't know about Tom Man.

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I don't know about Tom either. That that the fake

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smile and laugh, which is part of the deal. They

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talk about that and the thing that that that fake smile,

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fake laugh. Everything's fine. Look, well you're seeing like a

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lot of like people, not just him. Yeah, you see

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a lot of.

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People in general, but anyone, like I've had some well

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we'll keep it private, but some encounters with folks that

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are creeping into colts because they're still around everywhere, you know,

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whether it be religious, whether it be like this business

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y stuff, and there's always like this look on the

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person's face. You know, it's just like a total lost,

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kind of glazed eye. Yeah, it's just very you know,

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and you see that in regular people too, when they're

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really going through it and they're kind of out out

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of their body. You know, they're really in distress. But

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that's obviously when they're more susceptible to fall into something

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like that. The thing with these things is like when

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Tom Cruise is on stage speaking to the crowd, and like,

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obviously he's going to be like the main speaker, right

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because everyone knows, yeah, he's the fucking face. It felt

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like we're at a Disney show. Didn't feel like the

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set looks like some kind of Laddin ass. You know,

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like you have you seen like at least I've never

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even been to one. I've been to Disneyland, but they

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have like big old shows like that. Have you seen that?

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I've seen you know online? Yeah, yeah, the same with me.

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I've never actually I've been to Disneyland many times, but

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never been to like one of those actual shows. But yeah,

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well you're Indiana Jones. I think it was a real

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famous show for a while and they're literally like playing

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the movie with the rocket shit all in front of you.

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That's what it feels like. Like they have the weird

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ass gold shit. The building looks giant, that auditorium like

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a fit ten thousand people, and he's just up there, yeah,

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cheese in his face off, talking nonsense.

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But the weirdest fucking part of the whole thing, and

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that's in more than one scene, is them like turning

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and saluting the portrait of el Ron. That was fucking weird.

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No, And he's so just like odd looking to begin with,

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you know, because you go like you'll go salute like

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George Washington or something, Abraham Lincoln. You know, they look

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kind of normal, they look on a stoic, they look

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like they're a fucking soldier something. Elron just looks like

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he looks like a comic book writer, and you're looking

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at what the fuck.

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Paul Thomas Anderson made a movie called The Master, which

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is a slightly disguised version of Scientology. I have never

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watched it.

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I haven't either, but people, some people put that in

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like their top ten all time.

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Yeah, I know, it's supposed to be a great movie.

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And I'm kind of a Paul Thomas Anderson fan, at

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least the first couple of movies. I'm a huge fan

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of Magnolia and Billie Unites yeah, and his first movie

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Heart eight is really good.

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Did he get did he get like I felt? Not

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like I don't know what the term is. But inspired

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by Johnny then because Boogie Night's John Trufflet, isn't it.

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Oh No, I'm gona thinking of the other movie.

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Boogie Knights is. No that you're thinking of Saturday Night Fever.

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Boogie Knights is. It's a big ensemble cast, but that's

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it's where Johnny Uh oh Wohlburg broke through. But that

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was an amazing cast. But that actually the the what's

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his name? I'm gonna have to look it up because

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I'm having having I'm having that day folks where I

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cannot remember ship. Uh sorry, this is great radio. Uh.

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John c Riley is in it, don cheatle How old

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is it?

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Uh? You know John c Riley, I've seen Steps.

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Yeah, yeah, ninety seven.

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Damn.

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It's such a good movie. Riley, Joe Anna Gleason. But

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the person I'm looking for is not showing up? Why

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is he not showing up? Phillip Seymour Hoffman.

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Yeah yeah.

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Phillips More Hoffman plays the Elron Hubbard character in the

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Master and in the the person following him was played

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by well Keene Phoenix. Trust it sucks that we lost

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Philip seymour Hoffman. He was so good in everything, Like,

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I don't know if he had a bad.

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Performance, he could have shoved him in the new Harry Potter.

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Oh yeah, have you have you seen some of the casting.

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I don't mind. I'm pretty I'm pretty open until it

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comes out. You know, I'll judge them after because everyone's

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always gonna make a uh well.

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Some of the same people that were involved in the

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in producing the movies. So I mean hopefully the standards

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stay high.

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I think it's gonna be good. And HBO has a

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track record they've made good series, you know. Yeah, I'm

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all for it, and I think it starts, uh filming now,

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but soon. I think it's supposed to be like twenty

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twenty six, twenty twenty seven, you're supposed to see some

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I'm stoked on it. I'm stoked on a little Harry

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Potter action. Yeah. People are pissed. I guess they've only

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announced like six of them. But it's a Homeboys good uh.

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Dumbledore the oh Jalthgow is playing.

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Yeah, I think kill it.

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Yeah, and like people complaining that he's not English, but

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he is, he's half English, he just didn't grow up there. Yeah,

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who cares, and he's got an acceptable we're gonna complain

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about everything. Well yeah people. Yeah, that's and that really

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comes down to like fandom versus cults because there and

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there's a you know, there's a Venn diagram that has

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a pretty significant crossover between like rabid fandom and cult behavior.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, Actually that's something I was going to look

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up what the hell the definition of a cult?

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Yeah, I was going to do that last time too,

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because it does seem like obviously can't be like hard locked,

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because then you could, I mean, it has to be. Yeah,

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I don't know, because there's so many there's so many

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things you can point to that feel culty. They may

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not hit that, yeah, like yeah, like being allowed to

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leave or being judged to leave, but like that's you know, yeah,

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if you leave a friend group, you're gonna be judged. Like,

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it doesn't mean your friend group's a cult.

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So the so the AI definition of a cult. A

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cult is generally defined as a social group characterized by

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an extreme focus on a leader or ideology, often involving

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unusual beliefs, practices, and a high degree of control over

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its members' lives. These groups frequently utilize manipulative psychological tactics,

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isolate members from the outside world, and may engage socially

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even behavior and I mean isolating. Talk about isolating man

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the extreme Isola isolation. They've got the leaders of the

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of the group that that was kind of the first

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group within scientology, the the the the sea people.

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Yeah, so funny, that's just so weird.

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And then they put them in these barracks that are

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like falling apart and infested with vermin and insects, and

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they don't let them eat much, and they don't let

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them sleep, and they just keep like yeah and a

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working and and submitting them to all kinds of crazy

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psychological torture.

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Even Leah talked about that, and I think she was

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like higher up right, because the more money you pay are,

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the more fame you have, they treated you slightly better.

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And I think she even talked about again I haven't

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seen this in like eight years, but I think she

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talked about like having to cleaner room with the toothbrush

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and shit, you know, like shit of that nature, and

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having to live there for a certain amount of time

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or whatever the fuck in my again experiences which are minor,

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but there been in my life. Uh yeah. The isolation

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factor is the one that like raises my red flag

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cause like unrealistic belief, Like yeah, man, like but am

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I worried about like flat earthers? You know, like yeah,

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there's probably some danger there, but like I don't care,

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you know, like is that unrealistic?

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Yeah?

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Probably, but they can go believe I live in a dome.

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You know, it's not gonna fuck me up. But like

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you start to isolate and say like, well you can

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only you can. Oh, your mom doesn't believe in flat earth.

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You can't talk to your mom. Now you're like, okay,

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Like now we're causing issues. And some of the people

464
00:23:30.279 --> 00:23:34.039
I've cross paths with buddies, friends, acquaintances that were heading

465
00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:39.480
into a business ee relationship or a religiously group and

466
00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:41.839
they're like, yeah, like you either bring your homies with

467
00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:44.160
you or they're not your homies. And they're like, all right,

468
00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:45.079
well that's weird, you.

469
00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:46.279
Know, like a separating family.

470
00:23:46.480 --> 00:23:48.799
Yeah yeah, You're like, well, you know, I grew up

471
00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:53.039
a pretty strict Catholic, you know, and not once in church,

472
00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:56.319
not once with my parents, not once with every Catholic

473
00:23:56.400 --> 00:23:59.119
person I've ever crossed paths with, did they ever tell

474
00:23:59.119 --> 00:24:02.559
me not to be friends, talk to hang out, even Mary,

475
00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:04.960
although in the book it says not to. You know

476
00:24:05.079 --> 00:24:07.000
by their book that they don't want you to marry

477
00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:09.640
non Catholics. But not once you know they're gonna reason

478
00:24:09.680 --> 00:24:10.240
eyebrow at you.

479
00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:10.599
That's it.

480
00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:12.359
They'll still come to my wedding. You know, I go

481
00:24:12.400 --> 00:24:14.440
marry a Jewish personal Muslim person, They're gonna come to

482
00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:16.720
my wedding. They're not gonna cut you out of their life,

483
00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:18.799
you know. And I know because a lot of people

484
00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:21.400
are non religious and they point fingers at the Church.

485
00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:23.400
And I'm not saying the Church is perfect by any means.

486
00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:25.680
Every organization we look at Boy Scouts, we can look

487
00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:29.160
a fucking everything. They're gonna have issues. But I bring

488
00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:32.160
that up to show like the differentiation of my experience

489
00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:37.559
of nineteen years being Catholic versus you know, three years

490
00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:40.839
or six months in fucking scientology. They don't pull you

491
00:24:40.839 --> 00:24:42.799
away from anybody, you know, they really don't, and they

492
00:24:42.799 --> 00:24:46.000
don't really like shame you. And again, like coolicism is

493
00:24:46.039 --> 00:24:49.240
like the oldest Christianity, arguably some of the most strict

494
00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:51.960
besides some newer stuff that you know, some people think

495
00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:53.400
it's a little weird. I think it's a little weird,

496
00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:56.640
but you know, like it is very traditional, and they

497
00:24:56.720 --> 00:24:58.519
just never like put that pressure on me.

498
00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:04.039
Ever, And in sharp contrast that I grew up in

499
00:25:04.039 --> 00:25:09.039
a in a Protestant church that wasn't technically evangelical, but

500
00:25:09.079 --> 00:25:14.319
it had like shades of evangelical to it, and and

501
00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:20.720
we basically we were told that h. J. Dubb was

502
00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:26.440
was a cult. Jehovah's Witnesses, Oh yeah, Mormons a cult,

503
00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:30.039
and hang onunder your hat Catholicism.

504
00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:32.240
Yeah yeah. I just don't know if you can have

505
00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:34.960
like forty of the fucking Europe be a cult.

506
00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:39.480
Yeah, no, it doesn't, it doesn't. It doesn't really conform

507
00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:43.079
to the two. But that's you know, I mean it's dogma.

508
00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:45.960
That's that's when you grew up in a small town, right,

509
00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:48.400
which doubles down on that. Yeah, like if half your

510
00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:51.880
city's in this one church, you know, now they got more.

511
00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:53.599
That was definitely not the case, but it was a

512
00:25:53.599 --> 00:25:54.079
small town.

513
00:25:54.119 --> 00:25:55.759
Yeah. I just feel like the smaller town you get,

514
00:25:55.759 --> 00:25:58.440
the more control, like all these Obviously this happened in

515
00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:00.599
La which is fucking crazy. But the other kind of

516
00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:02.319
cult stuff, you know, the sip in the kool aids

517
00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:04.960
and all that always happened in weird rural spots. The

518
00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:08.279
Fat Loss one that we followed, it wasn't even Knoxville.

519
00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:11.000
It was in like some small rich town outside of

520
00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:12.440
in Tennessee.

521
00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:15.359
But Jonestown was actually people from the Bay Area.

522
00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:17.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I was gonna say that. I mean,

523
00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:21.160
this is Deadmo of Beverly Hills like it, which is crazy. Yeah, yeah,

524
00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:22.799
I don't know how it all works, but yeah, like

525
00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:26.880
religious stuff can obviously get weird, you know, but then

526
00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:29.319
it's like, yeah, what's the majority of what you're talking about?

527
00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:33.279
And a lot of people point to places like you know, uh,

528
00:26:34.119 --> 00:26:36.559
you know, Latter day Saints and Jehovah's Witness for being

529
00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:39.799
a little odd because they are a little different, you know,

530
00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:42.440
But yeah, where's the line of cult? You know? I

531
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:45.240
would uh, I've been around a lot of Mormon people,

532
00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:47.839
and I never felt that they couldn't be friends with me,

533
00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:48.799
you know what I mean.

534
00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:51.000
I grew up with Mormon's, I grew up with with

535
00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:53.319
J Dubbs. Yeah, you know, I never a lot of

536
00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:55.480
a lot a lot of Catholics because I because I

537
00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:58.720
grew up in a very Latin, fairly Hispanic area. Yeah,

538
00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:02.079
and and uh uh that was never an issue. It's

539
00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:04.799
never an issue. It's cool. Yeah, But I have never

540
00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:08.200
even like knowingly met someone who isn't it.

541
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:12.039
Like yeah, like they're gonna tell us that's yeah, that's

542
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:15.000
the number one they're vegan meme, the CrossFit or whatever,

543
00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:17.079
that's the number one meme of cold. But to you, yeah,

544
00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:19.400
they might not be doing regular people. Shit, maybe not.

545
00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:21.359
What's weird to me is a lot of these colds,

546
00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:23.359
at least the ones we've cover on the show, this

547
00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:27.039
one and then the fat Loss one. Yeah, they were

548
00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:30.400
around rich people. Yeah, which you think would be the opposite. Again,

549
00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:33.279
what I talked about the foot clan. Normally they would

550
00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:36.640
prey on the foot clans one hundred percent real. So

551
00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:40.400
this is a good analysis that you would pray, Yeah,

552
00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:43.160
you would pray on the week or the lost or

553
00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:45.960
the you know, the people without families, Like that's the

554
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:48.559
foot clan joke. But in my head that works too.

555
00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:50.559
And again I'm not a cold expert by any means.

556
00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:52.240
I've just seen a couple of docs. But it makes

557
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:55.480
more sense to kind of use that power dynamic and

558
00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:58.400
the manipulation on someone who's so lost with no parents

559
00:27:58.440 --> 00:28:00.880
and no friends and hate school and doing drugs or

560
00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:06.240
whatever versus yeah, rich, rich ass white people in Tennessee

561
00:28:06.920 --> 00:28:11.160
or literal Hollywood. Yeah, you know, because like what, like

562
00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:13.200
what are you searching? And I guess we're all human

563
00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:15.880
and we're all searching for something internally, you know. And

564
00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:17.960
that's where l Ron I guess was a genius.

565
00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:18.160
Right.

566
00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:21.440
He's just like Stage one is therapy, Like it just

567
00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:23.400
feels like a different form of therapy, and that's how

568
00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:24.279
he kind of sold it.

569
00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:26.160
But even people who didn't feel like they had any

570
00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:28.680
issues just like, oh, what where's your pain?

571
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:29.680
Like who hurt you?

572
00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:33.000
You know? Like yeah, uh sea bass reactions.

573
00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:36.680
I felt really bad for the lady that what was it?

574
00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:39.599
I think she got to the eighth level. Yeah, and

575
00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:41.720
they were telling her that a bunch of people were

576
00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:43.359
going into her body or like spirits are going out

577
00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:47.359
to body. Yeah, and she just felt like clinically like depressed. Yeah,

578
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:48.880
and the whole tire of thing. I was like, Oh,

579
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:49.640
I feel really bad.

580
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:51.839
Yeah, they're trying to scan you for whatever they call them.

581
00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:53.799
They had some weird Namethan's.

582
00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:55.480
Yeah fans and they're like, oh, you gotta keep on

583
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:56.240
scanning yourself.

584
00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:58.599
I just like, I just feel bad. That's how you

585
00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:00.920
keep them trapped, right, Like if if you think people

586
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:03.920
want to force an issue on someone, I mean, fitness

587
00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:05.400
is kind of like that too, Bro, you keep like

588
00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:08.319
the internet does that, Like they'll just be forcing problems

589
00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:11.519
on you, you know, like, oh, you don't sleep perfectly

590
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:14.240
for nine and a half hours without even rolling over once,

591
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:17.400
you need red light therapy. I'm a human, isn't okay

592
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:19.359
if I roll around a little bit? Like, yeah, I agree,

593
00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:20.519
he sleeps very important.

594
00:29:20.559 --> 00:29:24.000
But that's the principle of a certain kind of sales,

595
00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:24.200
you know.

596
00:29:24.279 --> 00:29:26.000
Yeah you have pain points.

597
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:29.319
Yeah, create a problem and then and then offer a solution.

598
00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:31.920
Yeah, pain points. And there is fine lines there too,

599
00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:33.880
you know, because I like sales and I like business,

600
00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:36.240
but like, yeah, if you're just gonna fucking manipulate the

601
00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:38.599
live and shit out of people, yeah like that. Poor

602
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:40.480
Later they all talked about it. He talked about himself,

603
00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:42.960
right that, like el Ron's just fucking scanning his own

604
00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:44.759
ass trying to find everything wrong forever.

605
00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:46.880
Oh I think he had his friend, Yeah, when he

606
00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:49.400
was close to build a machine to try to take

607
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:51.880
out something, and he just built like what a test

608
00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:52.440
the coil.

609
00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:54.839
Youah, like a yeah yeah youah, like a Ghostbusters fucking

610
00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:58.559
get the demons out of you. So weird.

611
00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:03.319
Yeah, I mean obviously he was mentally ill. Yeah, that's

612
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:05.279
why I give him, like straight up mentally ill. I

613
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:07.680
think that's like my you know, like my conscious pass

614
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:10.839
on the guy, Like he was just very sick, you know,

615
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:12.359
like I don't know if he was evil. I don't

616
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:13.519
know if he was the devil. I think he was

617
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:19.200
just maybe started kind of weird and then became insane. Yeah,

618
00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:24.400
or and and somehow that vibed with people. And that's

619
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:27.359
just a weird thing about cults I don't understand. And

620
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:30.480
I think maybe my personality is just not that I

621
00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:35.119
never buy fulling into fucking anything. Yeah, I mean I

622
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:38.519
just don't. I never have. I'm not. I I never

623
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:42.119
really had heroes exactly. And you know, they're people that

624
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:45.319
I admire, but that's different, and they're not necessarily celebrities.

625
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:49.119
But I wouldn't necessarily take the things that they said

626
00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:54.480
like heart about some weird thing that feels off to

627
00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:55.799
me that they believe.

628
00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:59.400
I wonder if there's been any looks into MK Ultra

629
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.519
and l Ron because a lot of timings of these

630
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:07.480
uh colts seem to be similar times like what's the

631
00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:11.799
kool Aid the famous ass kool Aid? Uh, the main colt?

632
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:15.960
Uh, what's his name kool Aid Jonestown?

633
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:18.079
Yeah, what's the guy's name?

634
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:18.599
Jim Jones?

635
00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:22.680
Yeah, Jim Jones. Right, So there's been ties of MK

636
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:25.480
Ultra and Jim Jones and the CIA in like that

637
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:29.119
same era that the you know, there's documents are not

638
00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:32.799
that showed that they were basically teaching Jim Jones how

639
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:37.000
to make colts right and that this was some experimental shiit. Like,

640
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:39.200
I wonder if there's any and it's similar timeline to

641
00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:40.559
when l Ron was kicking around.

642
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:42.920
He was also like in the army, right or something

643
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:47.480
like that Elron earlier I think, yeah, Navy, Yeah, yeah, and.

644
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:51.400
They see people and he totally made up his war experience,

645
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:52.519
absolutely made.

646
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:55.119
It up wonderful. Yeah. I mean, if you're gonna make

647
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:56.240
up everything else in your life.

648
00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:57.880
You guys will make that up to I guess, I

649
00:31:57.920 --> 00:31:58.400
don't know.

650
00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:01.000
But like just claim storyteller.

651
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:08.240
And justifying that behavior somehow I mean that's yeah, I

652
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:11.799
mean that's weird. I was listening to a are watching

653
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:16.559
a video this morning on Instagram and I'm sure, I'm

654
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:21.720
sure he's also on TikTok and whatever and YouTube. This

655
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:29.279
guy named Dan McClellan, who is a like Bible religion scholar,

656
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:37.039
talking about people who think that the Bible believe that

657
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:40.839
the Bible is infallible and was like divinely inspired and

658
00:32:41.079 --> 00:32:43.680
he's perfect in every way or whatever and doesn't have

659
00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:50.519
any contradictions, and clearly there are contradictions. He doesn't take

660
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:52.720
much to see that there are contradictions in the Bible.

661
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:55.039
But he was saying, how do you you know, people

662
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:57.480
ask him, how do you talk to people who think

663
00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:03.240
that there are no contradictions because pointing out contradictions doesn't help. Sure,

664
00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:07.160
they you know, if there's just the slimmest like light

665
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:10.960
through the door of a possibility of something being true,

666
00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:12.119
then it is true.

667
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:15.519
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, confirmation bias is human trade everywhere.

668
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:18.680
Yeah, And he was saying, kind of the only way

669
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:22.599
to get around that is because because it challenges their

670
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:26.480
sense of self as they identify in an organization, in

671
00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:30.200
a religion, in any kind of group, whatever, and he

672
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:32.319
said that they're kind of the only way is to

673
00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:36.640
get them to examine their own belief system and how

674
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:39.319
they relate to that and how their their self esteem

675
00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:43.240
and their sense of self and everything is tied up

676
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:46.400
in that. And when you look at the people, because

677
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:49.720
there are a lot of people in this who were interviewed,

678
00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:53.359
who were who have gotten out, and all of them,

679
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:55.720
that's kind of the process they went through. They looked

680
00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:58.240
at their looked at themselves versus what they were being

681
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:01.440
told they had to do or made to do or

682
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:05.279
or you know. And it wasn't the money really that

683
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:06.519
triggered them exactly.

684
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:07.920
No one really mentioned that.

685
00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:09.800
It was really kind of everything else about it. And

686
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:12.039
for me, and money wouldn't be the number one thing

687
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:14.599
because I don't really want to give anybody my money.

688
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:19.119
But yeah, I agree, that's like the path to realize it,

689
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:21.159
But I don't think you can ever make anyone else

690
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:21.440
do it.

691
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:23.119
Yeah, it's really hard.

692
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:25.039
Yeah, I mean that's all on everything, you know, like

693
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:27.159
for me to get sub us to like a raspberry

694
00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:29.000
jelly when he's never tried to like me just telling

695
00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:31.719
him to try raspberry jelly, or even finicking around it

696
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:33.840
it's just probably not going to happen, you know, And

697
00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:35.199
that's that's just the well.

698
00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:38.519
Furthermore, if he was addicted to raspberry jelly, getting him

699
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:42.159
to stop being addicted possibly jelly would be basically impossible.

700
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:43.480
Yeah, or if you believed it was healthy or whatever.

701
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:45.800
And obviously that's like the most basic term. But like

702
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:48.000
politics is a big one, you know people. Religion is

703
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:50.400
another big one. Like just coming in and like telling

704
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:53.519
them the wrong or pointing reasons why you think they're wrong.

705
00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:55.039
It's just never gonna work.

706
00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:57.920
The interesting thing to me about scientology is that it

707
00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:00.679
doesn't really have a basis in much of any other

708
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:03.039
religion as far as I can tell.

709
00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:07.199
Yeah, the the little like electrode they use, you know

710
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:09.039
to confess like kind.

711
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:10.480
Of has a little bit of a cross on it

712
00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:10.960
or whatever.

713
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:13.800
But no, their logo is definitely a cross. Yeah, but no,

714
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:15.760
I just meant that that kind of felt like a

715
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:21.639
like a Catholic confession. Were you raise Catholic at all?

716
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:26.239
Uh a little yeah, just a little bit, and then

717
00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:28.679
Christian and then kind of just stepped away.

718
00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:31.280
Yeah yeah, yeah, because like yeah, like confession kind of

719
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:34.000
feels like that, you know, just like digging in obviously

720
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:36.079
a little bit different, but but similar. You're in a

721
00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:40.440
room with somewhat of a professional. The Cross, their logo

722
00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:42.280
is kind of weird. Yeah, it's like kind of pretty.

723
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:44.800
It's like a cross with like a sun bar behind it.

724
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:46.400
It looks a little looks a little Mormon.

725
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:52.159
Yeah, yeah, which is obviously like christian Ish based. Yeah,

726
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:53.880
I don't know the a lot of ties either, because yeah,

727
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:55.559
you don't figure it out until you're level eight and

728
00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:58.159
you're talking to an alien or whatever. You know, Like

729
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:01.079
so much is just hidden. Yeah, like self like again,

730
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:04.480
like at its core, like obviously their methods are insane,

731
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:07.679
but like at its core, like self improvement, it's hard.

732
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:10.239
To argue with self improvement if it's true self improved.

733
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:11.800
And that's what all these guys said, why they got

734
00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:13.519
into it, really, how they were sold.

735
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:14.920
It's more than method and not the.

736
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:19.400
Method was literal whash witchcraft.

737
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:22.239
Yeah, it's things that don't make any sense, but like.

738
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:24.519
How do you not and you know, I understand that

739
00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:27.360
everyone is in different times and sees things, but how

740
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:29.360
do you not just realize like all right, l Ron

741
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:33.599
Harbard wrote alien movies, and I'm gonna follow this guy

742
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:35.840
and salute them, like what you know, Like that's just

743
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:36.920
like step one for me.

744
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:39.760
Yeah, you know, it was interesting too. I didn't realize

745
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:42.199
that there was a period of time, that fairly long

746
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:43.800
period of time that Tom Cruise was kind of not

747
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:47.760
involved with with scientology at all, and then they roped

748
00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:50.639
him back in by splitting him up with with Nicole

749
00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:51.280
Kittman and.

750
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:54.920
Yeah, I mean isolation and yeah, yeah even John it

751
00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:56.199
sounds like Travolta is still in.

752
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:57.400
It, still in it.

753
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:00.079
Yeah, so they try to like blackmail him. Yeah, oh,

754
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:03.480
they it's because they backed them up against like accusations

755
00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:04.400
that he was gay.

756
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:07.440
Yeah, but I mean those kind of rumors, although not

757
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:10.840
maybe as substantiated. But I followed Tom Cruise around for

758
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:11.480
a long time too.

759
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:13.480
Yeah, that's a lot of these guys. I mean that's

760
00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:16.159
some of the stuff. It's conspiratorial for sure. But like

761
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:20.440
I watched like a mini documentary online on Michael jacks

762
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:23.480
Michael Jackson's accusations. Not the big one. I've seen all

763
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:26.320
those documentaries too, but the many ones. Uh, you know,

764
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:28.639
you talk about like power of the game or the

765
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:30.719
power of big business, and like a lot of those

766
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:36.800
accusations came about when he started purchasing everyone else's songs. Oh,

767
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:38.760
so he made his own He made his own company

768
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:41.280
at seven or someone, I never forgot what the name is.

769
00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:44.239
But he started purchasing the Beatles, he started purchasing rolling Stones.

770
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:46.000
So that was not a popular move.

771
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:48.519
And so if he's you know, if you're running around

772
00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:51.480
with Sony and Universal and who's got all the power

773
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:53.920
of the media, maybe they start throwing because he had

774
00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:58.159
no pedophile, no weird sexual assault stuff before that, and

775
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:01.400
then very similar timeline, he starts doing that and they

776
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:03.960
start throwing all these allegations out in the world.

777
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:07.320
Yeah. I don't think that he would have had as

778
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:10.559
many allegations against him if he wasn't just a freak anyway.

779
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:13.719
Yeah, I mean he had traumatic past. I mean, you

780
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:16.320
get raped when you're ten, you know, you probably not

781
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:19.039
end up great and be literally like the biggest celebrity

782
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:22.079
in the world since age what nine? Yeah, you know,

783
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:24.960
it can't. I mean, look at poor Bieber what he's

784
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:28.039
going through now. You know, probably a very similar past

785
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:29.559
with Puffy and who knows.

786
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:29.760
What's going on.

787
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:34.800
Probably, Yeah, I heard Puffy's uh uh was it his lawyer?

788
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:36.280
I think it was. No, Yeah, I think it was

789
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:38.239
his lawyer stepped down because he said he saw too

790
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:41.559
much crazy shit. And I heard that same lawyer like

791
00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:44.960
defended Osama bin Laden and shit, and this guy says,

792
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:47.599
I saw too much shit. I don't want to do

793
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:48.159
this no more.

794
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:49.039
Oh goodness.

795
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:52.800
Yeah, that's all alleged, but that's what I heard. That's crazy,

796
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:56.760
that's crazy. I know when Puffy, Yeah, there's insane videos

797
00:38:56.760 --> 00:39:00.880
of him and Bieber obviously, I know poor b Yeah.

798
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:04.639
Talk about colts like that though too, right, Like whether

799
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:07.360
it be like industry in a way, like behind closed

800
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:10.079
doors secrets, you're not allowed to have normalized friends, are

801
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:13.360
only allowed to hang out with whoever your fucking management

802
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:16.719
team is or your label, like many ones probably happen

803
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:21.119
all over and who knows. Yeah, obviously the strict definition

804
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:23.239
had to do with like belief system or something, but

805
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:25.920
you know, a lot of those things can happen in isolation.

806
00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:26.119
You know.

807
00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:28.440
Britney spears like, why is there such a common theme

808
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:31.840
of all these celebrities just fucking losing it? You know,

809
00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:34.800
like they've probably been constricted for so long seeing so

810
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:35.559
much weird shit.

811
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:38.639
Yeah there, and some of them are are I believe

812
00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:42.760
are creative because there's their circumstances were weird. Yeah, growing

813
00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:45.679
up like it is Medians. It's definitely right for sure,

814
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:46.519
pretty common.

815
00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:48.559
Yeah, there's there's a yeah you want to bend but

816
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:51.360
don't break. Yeah, right, and that's all creatives, right, Like,

817
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:53.360
you know, Kanye is obviously in the news for a

818
00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:56.239
lot of reasons for many ways. But like I don't

819
00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:59.800
think you get the masterful art with the totally sane average.

820
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:03.199
You know, an NBC is not creating magic, you know,

821
00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:06.360
and so it's just how much of that the world

822
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:06.880
season not?

823
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:09.639
You know, I'm talking about the you know, like the

824
00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:13.280
self revelation, like that you that you're doing a thing

825
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:15.119
that you probably don't want to be doing and you

826
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:18.440
need to get out of. Not as dramatic as that,

827
00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:20.679
but like I guess that I grew up in a church,

828
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:23.559
and like there were there were certain beliefs. I don't know.

829
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:27.280
It wasn't like like some some significant number of the

830
00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:31.000
people were thought that dancing was bad. It wasn't everyone.

831
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:34.320
Some people did. My parents never bought into that. They

832
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:37.880
all thought that drinking was bad, but you know, you

833
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:40.119
would find out that somebody did it. They all thought

834
00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:43.159
that smoking was a huge vice, some people did it. Whatever.

835
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:45.760
Swearing was a big one.

836
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:46.639
Yeah, really big.

837
00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:49.679
Like religions, yeah it was, but it was it was

838
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:51.519
you know some of them, some of those things were

839
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:54.119
more heavy handed or whatever. And you were kind of

840
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:57.039
taught that there's only kind of one way. There's one way.

841
00:40:57.159 --> 00:40:59.920
And then when I took comparative religions in college, just like,

842
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:07.599
oh fuck, there's not necessarily necessarily thinking that anything was

843
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:12.079
better constructed or whatever, but more that, oh, there are

844
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:14.960
all these belief systems that are valid for the people

845
00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:17.119
who believe them, sure, and.

846
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:19.960
Well, and there's some ties between like the most popular

847
00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:22.519
or probably the most popular for a reason, because there's

848
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:25.719
like these random ties in there. Yet, like you said,

849
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:28.880
like it's like red flag number one, going back to

850
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:32.000
even the last podcast about like SBD and who's saying

851
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:34.800
what or not, Like red flag cult number one is

852
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:37.400
to call everyone else a cult. Yeah, if everyone else

853
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:41.679
is a cult, but we're not, Like well it's not us,

854
00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:44.000
yes everybody. Yeah, but don't go with them. They're gonna

855
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:45.599
get you. Don't go with them, they're gonna be like

856
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:49.199
that's literally isolating in itself, right, And so like same idea,

857
00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:51.239
you go study a bunch of religions. I was really lucky.

858
00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:53.920
At our school we studied religions in the form of

859
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:57.400
history as well, from Hinduism all the way up, and

860
00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:00.559
so yeah, you just realize some of the ties are

861
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:03.280
are within them, and you're like, well, that's probably what

862
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:05.440
I should follow, you know, like the Golden rule, like

863
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:07.199
treat others how you want to be treated. If we

864
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:09.599
can all agree upon that, that's great. Like why are

865
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:13.719
we arguing about cursing or caffeine, you know, affecting the mind,

866
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:15.880
and like, yeah, if you want to dive deep and

867
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:18.880
do that for yourself, that's fine, But those those aren't

868
00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:20.199
common threads, you know.

869
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:23.840
And so yeah, I don't know, just a lot of

870
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:27.119
a lot of fetishized self denial shit is out there.

871
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:30.239
For sure, it is. It is in multiple religions and

872
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:32.400
a lot of stuff. But then also you wonder, you're like,

873
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:36.800
does like there's no like modern time version of that,

874
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:38.599
you know, there's probably got to be a modern time

875
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:41.440
version of what's going on. And I just don't think

876
00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:44.239
caffeine's not going to allow me through the gates of heaven,

877
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:44.639
you know.

878
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:48.639
Saint Peter says, you're too heavily caffinated.

879
00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:50.800
Yeah, you know, but there's a lot of religions I

880
00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:53.400
believe that. Yeah, you know, not a lot, but a

881
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:56.159
good handful. Yeah, a good handful for sure.

882
00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:01.119
Some popular ones for sure. Got anything else to throw

883
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:02.840
in here? No, I think that's about it.

884
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:06.760
You're joining it, gotcha. I haven't got me going see

885
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:08.880
like their recruitment tape. I know, we have an office

886
00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:12.000
right here dry Blight every day. Yeah, I do kind

887
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:13.519
of want to go in, but it might get too weird.

888
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:16.880
But I would like to see or like know what

889
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:19.880
the recruitment is, what it looks like. Yeah, like, how

890
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:21.960
do you even join this thing? No way, you're just

891
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:24.280
like that interested you love Tom Cruise and you just

892
00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:27.599
walk in that office just like, yo, give me a pamphlet.

893
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:30.440
You know. I don't know, because like other religions, it's

894
00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:33.719
normally like and again I'm biased in a good way.

895
00:43:33.760 --> 00:43:35.920
I think to Catholicism, where it's just like, oh, like

896
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:38.480
my homie goes you know, you lead by example, like,

897
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:40.280
oh like Sebos is a good guy. Oh he goes

898
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:42.159
to church every something. I'll go with them one time,

899
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:45.079
you know, you just go, you know, like and again,

900
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:47.519
religion is a touchy subject for a lot of people

901
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:50.400
I know, But there are other places that are actively

902
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:52.920
recruiting you to come there. And again, that's a red five,

903
00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:55.800
not me on Saturday morning. Yeah, that's not my cup

904
00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:57.639
of tea to do anything. Same with fitness. You know,

905
00:43:57.679 --> 00:43:59.639
I want people in my life to be healthy and fit,

906
00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:01.559
or my friends or the world. So what do I do?

907
00:44:01.639 --> 00:44:03.800
I stay fit and I lead by example. I think

908
00:44:03.800 --> 00:44:07.039
that's always the best recruitment. Going again to the psychology

909
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:11.119
of changing someone's thought pattern, it's nearly impossible. But if

910
00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:14.480
you if you do good, believe good, and lead by example,

911
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:17.400
chances are you'll you'll track you know, more flies with

912
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:19.159
honey than whatever the fuck that's saying is.

913
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:24.320
Yeah, all right, let's rate this bitch. You know, what

914
00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:25.239
are those electroges call?

915
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:27.760
We're reading on that. Yeah, see, I like that cross.

916
00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:28.639
The cross is kind of cool.

917
00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:29.719
Cross. It is kind of cool.

918
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:30.000
Yeah.

919
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:31.880
I don't know where they make a great tattoo.

920
00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:33.599
How do you come with? Yeah, how do you come

921
00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:36.719
with like a cross which is directly, at least in

922
00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:40.079
the last two thousand years, directly tied to Jesus Christ.

923
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:44.280
And now you're talking a zene on the alien Queen

924
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:48.400
you know, like there's just nothing there. There's like no, you.

925
00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:49.440
Know, there's no connections.

926
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:52.000
Yeah, and that must be part of the recruiting psychology

927
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:54.320
or something too, to make them feel more religious.

928
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:56.719
I guess, yeah, because it is. I didn't hear a

929
00:44:56.760 --> 00:45:00.440
word about not about anything that's that is calm into

930
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:02.480
a common belief to a mainstream religion.

931
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:05.119
They mentioned one thing about the creation, right, you reached

932
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:07.480
level five, six or seven or something, then they talk

933
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:09.639
about the creation, their version of the creation.

934
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:12.679
Story seven or eight, or get the briefcase that you're

935
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:13.840
thrown into the volcano.

936
00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:15.519
Yeah, yeah, yes.

937
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:17.639
Yeah, yeah, the volcano.

938
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:20.880
Yeah, the volcano, which isn't like that crazy if you've

939
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:23.880
like studied mythology, because a lot of mythologies have stuff

940
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:26.719
like that, you know, like you know, like Poseidon's daughter

941
00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:30.119
was made in a clamshell, you know, like but those were.

942
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:31.920
All things that were created at a time when we

943
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:35.280
did not really have much understanding of earth science. Yeah,

944
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:36.400
we're in a different time.

945
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:38.400
Yeah, but and even still, like you know, it could

946
00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:39.719
be an analogy.

947
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:41.239
Right, yeah you read parable or whatever.

948
00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:44.719
Yeah, but yeah, the one interview, ladies like, well, volcanoes

949
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:45.360
aren't that old.

950
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:48.039
Yeah, they kind of are.

951
00:45:48.199 --> 00:45:50.239
I didn't know what she said. Wasn't that our main argument?

952
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:53.880
Yeah, it was like, oh, this volcano didn't exist this

953
00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:54.960
or that that's.

954
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:56.960
That particular volcano. Yeah, there's a lot I mean that,

955
00:45:56.960 --> 00:45:58.400
but the Bible has a lot of that stuff too.

956
00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:01.360
It's like, you know, towns, towns and cities that did

957
00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:06.039
not exist, they're purely parable. Okay, So I'm trying to

958
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:11.639
decide between Theatan's and e meters. I'd say e meters meters.

959
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:13.679
Are like the layer of this site that aren't gonna

960
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:16.159
most common. Yeah, not gonna like ruin you you know,

961
00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:20.719
an e meter in theory is wonderful. So it does

962
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:23.280
feel like again, the one with Leah feels a little

963
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:26.039
bit more like a documentary where I told Seboster's like

964
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:29.400
little segues with like maybe not animations. I don't remember everything,

965
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:32.559
but it just feels like more put together. This feels

966
00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:34.800
like kind of a history doc. Yeah, not in a

967
00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:36.599
bad way, because you can get all the info you need,

968
00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:39.079
you know, and it's displayed well, and the interviews are decent.

969
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:41.840
Not a lot of emotion necessarily.

970
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:43.480
It's a little bit more clinical.

971
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:46.039
Yeah, yeah, it feels like history, which again is good

972
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:48.159
if you're trying to learn about scientology. So, you know,

973
00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:49.480
i'd give it like a little I'll give it like

974
00:46:49.519 --> 00:46:51.440
a three to one, a three to two. You know,

975
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:54.719
not like the most fun watch of your life. But

976
00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:57.599
if you're interested in like cults and scientology. That's the

977
00:46:57.639 --> 00:46:59.519
thing too, is it didn't drive home like the emotion,

978
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:02.559
like the damage of it where Leah's did does. Yeah,

979
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:04.840
and I told some about She's an actress obviously, so

980
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:09.199
she interviews a little bit better. But you just feel

981
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:11.360
the cult more with that movie.

982
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:12.920
Yeah, towards the end of this one, there are a

983
00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:15.559
couple of interviews that were that were emotional. Yeah, a

984
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:19.480
little bit more, but but largely devoid of of super

985
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:22.159
emotional stuff other than just people kind of laughing at

986
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:24.400
themselves because they were so far in it.

987
00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:27.119
Yeah, you know, yeah, they're just telling stories and that's

988
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:28.440
fine and danny, but yeah, if you want to learn

989
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:30.800
a good amount about some scientology and cults, this is

990
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:33.880
a really good start. Yeah, three to one.

991
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:37.079
Bet, I'll give it a three five. Yeah, I'm gonna agree.

992
00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:41.159
I'm somewhere probably three seven five because it's well constructed.

993
00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:44.880
It's just it's a little more clinical than than. I

994
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:47.280
think it really absolutely had to be that. I think

995
00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:51.880
that they're trying to project a reasonable amount of objectivity

996
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:54.800
on it. And yeah, it being HBO.

997
00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:56.960
Yeah, which isn't like that. Yeah, they don't make it

998
00:47:57.039 --> 00:47:59.320
like because yeah, you don't want it to go too

999
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:01.239
far the other way, even though this, you know, is

1000
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:04.519
known as like the craziest religion of all time. But yeah,

1001
00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:06.760
you don't want it to be like totally biased. Yeah

1002
00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:09.119
it felt like as neutral as you can get. Yeah,

1003
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:12.599
pretty much, which again I don't hate. Yeah, that's it

1004
00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:14.920
for us, ladies and gentlemen. New episodes every Wednesday, come

1005
00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:17.159
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1006
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:19.840
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1007
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:22.039
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1008
00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:24.199
Forgot the company name brand, but this is a YouTube

1009
00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:28.480
doc Rise and fall of some skateboard company. Yeah, so

1010
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:31.199
check that out. We'll cover that next week. And I'm

1011
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1012
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1014
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1015
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1016
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