Dec. 13, 2023

How long are plateaus supposed to last? | Topic Thunder

How long are plateaus supposed to last? | Topic Thunder

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Today’s question is really a general one about plateaus. Can you know when they’re going to happen? How do you get past them?

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we take your questions and we answer
them as fast as we can in five

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to ten minutes. And this one
is about deadlists in particular. But I

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think we'll stretch it out and we'll
transform this man's questions. What is the

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biggest plateau period of deadlifts? So
maybe what's the biggest plateau you went through?

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How'd you fix it? How did
you not fix it? It's gonna

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happen, Barrel, I think my
biggest I've benched three fifteen. I swear

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to God for like three years straight. Yeah, and just wouldn't go really

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Yeah, I just wouldn't go that. Probably like twenty to twenty two.

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I think I benched three thirty in
my first power lifting meat, But previous

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to that, I was, Yeah, I was benching. I swear three

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to fifteen forever. Is it something
about the arrangement of the plates? Sometimes

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I think that there's for sure,
logical thing is around that for sure.

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And then and then like Ego and
back in the day when we lifted,

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like you didn't really use two and
a half and fives. You know,

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you're trying to jump a ten or
it's not really worth it. Plus I

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was trying to stay in away class, and I'm in my early twenties when

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I probably should have been growing.
Plus, programming was all over the place.

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I'm, you know, benching off
four boards because everyone else is fucking

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in a T shirt or a bench
shirt and everyone's doing floor press, which

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isn't a bad movement, but probably
not what I needed as a raw lifter.

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I probably needed to build some musclims
from full range. And everyone I'm

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training with is yeah, literally everyone
was in a shirt that was training with

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the only one wasn't Spence and he
didn't really train with me, so right,

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Yeah, so it was all a
make sure all of that, and

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then the dynamic days in the West
Side are probably a little bit too light

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for a guy that's training raw because
bench shirt guys would use their bench max

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on a d LO day, so
it makes more sense or on a dynamic

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day and a raw guy would.
But then the percentages are way light,

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so all of it didn't really make
sense. Wasn't eat enough and other plateaus.

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I mean, I guess now you
could call it a plateau, but

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I'm just not chasing prs, Like
I haven't hit a PR lifetime lifetime in

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probably five years, but I'm not
chasing them either, so I wouldn't really

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call it a plateau. Old yeah, yeah, no, I'm not that

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old bro. I mean, some
of the biggest squats ever been broken.

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I bet if we looked at ages
of all time world records from the nineties,

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I bet they're on I bet you
the average is probably forty two.

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It could really be possible mid thirties. I bet off the top of my

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head. You still have a chance, no now though, yeah, Like

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obviously I don't know if you go
untested tested maybe yeah, if you'll untested,

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I think, because then it's just
years and not getting injured. It's

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just years and not getting injured,
and there is like some grown man strength,

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real shit, you know, and
having a routine in your life.

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In your twenties, you're drinking and
fucking round and if you lock in,

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like I bet ed CON's best stuff's
probably in his mid to late thirties.

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He's obviously just won. Dan Bell's
a little bit older than me, maybe

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around my age. He, you
know, broke all time world records,

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probably thirty seven. I forgot who
the biggest name was. It might have

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been one of the first thousand pounds
squads. I forgot in the nineties.

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I don't think it was half filled, but somebody like squaded their first thousand

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of age forty five. Yeah no, you plateau issues. You haven't even

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doing it long enough. No,
yeah, no, not really. I

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guess i'd be bench. Yeah,
we're in programming, and stuff's just gotten

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better. Bench is obviously harder,
right, It's adding ten pounds to a

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bench by percentage is much more difficult
than adding ten pounds a year. Squad

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or deadloft kind of anyone, especially
lightweight dude. I think that you know,

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for me, like breaking five hundred
was was hard. I sat under

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five hundred for quite a while.
No bench, I don't see me bench

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DEADLIFTAFT. I think that's the hardest
plateau for people's four to five hundred.

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I don't know. That was so
easy for me because I was so isolated.

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I was training commercial gyms on X
plates. I was really angry,

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and so I'm listening to fucking eminem
all day. Every day I pulled.

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I think I pulled three fifteen the
first time ever deadlift, and I swear

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to guy, within two years I
probably pulled five hundred, and then five

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twenty five came down here at pulled
five forty five. First meet, I

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pulled six hundred or five ninety four. Second meet, pulled about six twenty.

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And obviously I'm yeah, just kind
of brute strength that way. My

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form was pretty bad, but bodyweight
matters to right. I was one hundred

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and ninety pounds in year, like
you're like one hundred and ten or something.

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Damn one. I busted six hundred
into meat and I don't think I

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ever pulled six hundred in training ever
ever. Ever. Didn't know I could

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do it, just did it.
Yeah. Yeah, the adrenaline was a

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little different meats fired up, you
have your plateau and check your calories.

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It's gonna be a big thing.
You bear at least got to be consistent

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at maintenance programming is obviously a very
big thing. Yeah, variations can help

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any kind of program. It almost
doesn't matter. I know people talk shit

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on cookie cutter programs and all this, but anything with the solid progression that

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you can follow and stop thinking and
stop double guessing yourself, you're gonna get

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better at. And the truth is, yeah, alcohol, smoking pot,

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whatever you guys are doing is probably
not helping. I'm not saying it's hindering,

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but it's definitely not helping. So
sleep, maintenance calories, if not

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extra calories, and then following some
real progression. And I don't mean for

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like two weeks. I'm talking like
minimum twelve weeks, which should keep you

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from testing too often, because I
think that, hopefully, I think that

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plateaus and testing too often kind of
stick together because you're always did I ever?

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Can I can I bench for plates? Now? Can I bench for

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plates? Now? Can I ben? Yeah? Yeah? Rather than taking

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your time hitting three seventy five,
three forty five or three eighty five ninety

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five yeap et cetera, et cetera. Constant overshooting, Yeah yeah, yeah,

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but even overshooting is better like then
like truly testing, right, because

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if you have like an RP eight
single and you hit RP nine, like,

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you're still fine, You're in the
ballpark, you know. But if

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you're like testing every day, like
Jim said, like because you get fixated

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on these numbers. I want to
deadlift five, I want to bench three

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fifteen, like, you get fixated
that, so then you're making them wrong

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jumps to get there, you know. Yeah, but even like if you

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have like an RP five, motherfuckers
would be like, oh well yeah,

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but then but I guarantee it there, it's still better than testing. Even

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if you have an RPA five prescribed
and you hit an RP eight, it's

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better than like testing because it's the
amount of jumps you make. And then

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if you're missing over and over,
you get no work done. If you

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like go for a four or five
bench, you miss it, and what

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are you gonna do after? Yeah, you ain't gonna have good drop sets.

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You ain't gonna have your top single, and then you ain't gonna have

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good drop sets, and then you're
just quit and then you're gonna repeat it

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next year. Cry still bench four
A five one day, dude, It's

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possible. It's possible. It's not. What do you bench now? Okay,

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hop on some gear? Hey,
Jesus, is that you they're talking

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to you? Do they're talking to
you? Jesus? That signal the needle

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in my own I woke up at
one eighty five. Oh man, it's

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they want you to do it.
The people have spoke in the spirits,

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like you said, with the right
amount of money, I'll do it.

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No one'll ever care. There's no money

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