Is porn addiction real?

0:09 My dad's best friend, Uncle Bob. Shout out. Uncle Bob brought his son out cause I think he just graduated high school or maybe college, I don't know what. But it was kind of like, you know, dad's son trip or something. And I knew him, but I didn't know him that well because a lot of times he was obviously in school, and then my uncle Bob would just like come over to our family's place in Cleveland. So that's why I knew Uncle Bob so well. But his son might even played college, might even played minors for a second, but he was pretty good at baseball. And then he had a goal to go, and I think he was already like halfway done to every major league stadium and buy a hat, go to the game and buy a hat. And so then I, like low key start did it, but not very strategic. I was trying to do it with basketball, but it was more without like purpose.

0:53 It was when I fell into it. Like me and Omar were in Toronto and we finished up filming. I says, I don't know, probably seven years ago, enshed up filming, and I just randomly had gotten alert and I was like, oh fuck, dude, like it's a playoff game here in Toronto. So I bought tickets for whatever, one hundred bucks and the nosebleeds and went to that shit. But I think all that's cool, especially like I guess football too, probably, although I just I love football, but I just don't go to that many live games for some reason. It just feels like too much, almost like baseball games feel casual, Like, dude, it's so long. You can show up late, you can leave early. You know, it's just not that big of a deal. We're like football, there's so many people and shit, it would be cool to do like a nationwide tour of maybe even both. You might be able to hit both if you go in the spring. That'd be kind of crazy, right because baseball has already started this week last week. Yeah, so you could hit an NBA game and an MLB game per city abouts around. That'd be fun. Yeah, we're we were talking off air that the fam and I are going to be in New York City in July and actually June and July, parts of June, parts of July, and we're gonna, you know, we're just looking to take the grand kids for a baseball game because they haven't well, like one of them has been to a major League game, but he was tiny. Yeah, yeah, so he wouldn't remember.

2:14 And they're nine and six now, so yeah, they'll start to they're with it there. I feel like six is the age kind of with it. I'm not a dad, but I feel like six his age, like they're gonna remember this ship like ship really is like meaningful. They can talk, you can like really talk. Yeah, yeah, no, I think that. I think the younger one is gonna gonna remember it. I don't know, he's not is into baseball as the older one. The older one is is he's all about it. Yes, And sometimes I feel like going to that stuff makes you that way though. Yeah, I think it definitely can. Like I was in the Monster Trucks just because we went to trucks. Yeah, yeah, I'd do it. Yeah. And so like Mets City Field, what made you choose out over the Yankees schedule schedule? Yeah, the only yeah, the only Yankees game that would have worked would have been the day after we got there, and that's and and a night game, and that's for kids. You just don't want to do that. Ed and grumpy. Yeah, I mean this this is a this is an afternoon game.

3:14 It's a one to forty games, so it you know, it's fun on a Sunday, so it makes sense. So anyway, I'm looking at tickets, and the place that we kind of normally sit anywhere we go is is just kind of on the field level, usually on the third base side, sometimes on the first base side. It's kind of depending, but not any usually any higher than that, and you're usually you know, they can be expensive, but they're not crazy expensive. But the Mets, it was like two hundred bucks a seat which was in the that section, and that wasn't even like right on the dugout. It was it was further outfield from that. I do wonder why. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know why. And then like those same seats are they playing the Yankees Astros?

3:55 Yeah, yeah, maybe right's been bawling. Yeah, I mean yeah, I just don't know. I don't know if they do. I don't know at this point of the season they're doing like dynamic pricing or I have no idea. So yeah, so we're going up up a level and to the first base side, and those are seventy which is you know, considerable, but in San Francisco, the same seats that I was looking at their two hundred bucks in New York or fifty five bucks. And that isn't even the secondary market. I mean, yeah, you're playing way ahead, Yeah, way ahead. Yeah, this is like yeah in June, like eight June, June twenty ninth or thirtyth something like that. Yeah, and it's a good amount of head Yeah. Yeah, it's just just crazy expensive.

4:36 I don't I don't get it. I don't understand why it's so much more expensive. Although the mess have like a gigantic payroll. I think they have the biggest payroll. But the Giants this year too, they spent money finally they they were their subject to the luxury tax this year. But even that's like first time in a while. That's like dumb business, Like you jack your prices up when you're winning now based on what you you spend. Yeah, yeah, because you signed a bunch of duds for a lot of money. No one's gonna come watching it. But Padres have been spending your fortunate and have not really gotten much traction off that, you know. Yeah, the you know, first round out is that is the best they've done in a while. So I've been to the Padres Stadium is a pet Co now, okay, yeah I was there. Uh I think it was Tony Gwynn's retirement day. Oh wow, yeah, just randomly. Yeah, I feel like you always have to know people. So like my my family in Cleveland doesn't make a ton of money by any means, less than a ton of money, way less than a ton of money. And for some reason, and obviously the Indians fucking suck, not not always, but guardiansyah, yeah, yeah, the Guardians. Yeah, the Indians U And so like we'd always end up with sick tickets somehow, yeah, just because like I don't know, my aunt worked in office. In that office has somebody or she knows somebody. You just always know people, especially I feel like in cities like that because it's so like old family esque. Yeah you know what I mean. Where California is a little different. A lot of people moved here, families have been there for generations. So she knows somebody with season tickets

6:06 that she could get them from. So we sit in like was it like club level where you're getting served, you know, and there's no way we're paying for that. Like my dad couldn't afford it. No way my aunts could. But you see, you gotta know, folks. The only thing I never went to a Browns game because they weren't a team for half my fucking life. And then I read something though about their stadium. I forgot what it was. I don't want to misquote despite the name of the podcast, but I think people were saying it was like one of the better stadiums because it's on the water. It's kind of like the Giants stadium. Yeah, because it is on like a lake. Yeah. Live sports are cool, man. I feel like it's not something like a lot of people who aren't into sports go do. But it same with like live music. Some people just don't like try it. But there's something special about both of them.

6:54 There really is. I don't really care if you like sports or not. Like I don't love baseball, but I'll go to a live baseball any day. Yeah, you know, there's some about it. There's some about it. Well, the speaking more more baseball news. But this actually may be old news by the time this comes out. But it's supposed to be decided today where the A's are going to play next year and three years. How does the Sacramento bid look decent. It's the top right now. That's exciting. Yeah, it's it's I mean, got some inside information on this and that was confirmed by some stuff that was in the b today. But it looks like maybe. It looks like maybe, but it also looks like the it's Las Vegas still may not happen. Really yeah, long, yeah, but well the reason the reason that because because Oakland just made a bid too to keep the A's for the interim for the next three and because of the fan boycotts and they've totally empty seats most of the time. It just looks terrible. Yeah, and just the the the general bad juju between the team and the city of Oakland. MLB doesn't want the A's to stay there at all. Sure, well, what's the second option long term? I don't know. I bet you it's Vegas. It'll go through. There's just so much money pumping in that city. It's going crazy. Yeah, maybe so, but there's you know what I mean. The mayor is opposed,

8:24 although she doesn't really have any Oakland mayor. No, the Vegas, Vegas mayor is opposed. Yeah, really, I know why because everything else has done so well, just the money I think, I think the money going into it, and that's like it's not as though the owners of the a's don't have money. Yeah, well, I just because obviously hockey's been going crazy there. They want Stanley cups on Stanley cups. The Raiders have done, okay, but the T Mobile Arena where the UFC and the hockey. Yeah, I just explored that area for the first time. I driven by it, but I see it from the freeway, Like I don't really go to the strip, you know, And I know that sounds like a gatekeepy local thing to say, but you just don't list you're gonna go get food. So we did. We went to Italy, yeah, which is right next to it all, and they built up that section of the strip to be so like nice and like classy, like it feels so good by the T Mobile to hockey Arena and whatever, and basically the baseball arena's plans are across the street from that where the Tropic Canna is, okay, and so like it would mesh so perfectly, and there's just no way. I mean, maybe it's just me, but like if I'm going to Vegas on a dude strip or whatever the fuck Bachelor and you just like look on your phone, like, oh, the A's are in town tonight, Like you're gonna buy a ticket. You're gonna buy like a fifty buck take he go sick, go get drunk because you're walking to it on the strip, Like it makes so much sense. Something randomly that was announced this morning too, is like they're breaking down the Tropic Cano, which is one of the oldest hotels there, and that's the future plans for the arena. But behind that, they're like, I don't know, because Vegas it's social media, so they like, you know, pump the news story for like steroids and like make

9:58 it so fantast but they basically sound like they're trying to make like a man made like like beach ocean there behind it it's okay, And I like in Vegas, I kind of believe it. You know, like two years ago, Bart was sending me articles about Mark Wahlberg opening a Hollywood. They just broke round on that, you know, like they they are moving like crazy because of the money. So I do wonder why the Mayor's so opposed. Yeah, and I think it's I think there's a subsidy. But I think it's from the legislature actually, not the not the city. So that's why she doesn't have any control. Oh yeah, yeah, I think that that's I bet she has no control anyways. Probably, you know, like when you think of casino money, like, she's just probably she's just hanging on.

10:41 She's just the face. Yeah, she's just hanging on doing what they say, trying to keep them happy. That's your job. Yeah, yeah, pretty much. It's just like heep, yeah, just you know, we need your tax money for sure. We're not doing tax money, you know, on the same level. Yeah, no one is. No one in the world is. Yeah, So I don't know. We'll see, we'll see what happened. Kings or Sacrament would be fun, it'd be really cool. I think it'd be cool for the city. I remember the fucking river Cats came here and how big of a deal that was. Yeah, and it's still a big deal. And now now the river Cats are owned by by the King's ownership. Oh I didn't know that. Yes, And there's I mean in the paper today, I actually heard this rumor and then confirmed in the paper that that the Kings might be interested in because there because the owner of the main owner of the Kings, you know, run a dve and the owner of the A's are friends and have like I've been for lunch. There's a there's a potential for the King's ownership to buy the A's.

11:43 If they did that, then they would not be going to Vegas. That would be silly. Another thing to the maloofs. They were in half their empire in Vegas. Yeah, but see what happened there though, They stopped spending on the team at some point. Maybe basketball is a little different though, because like what you spent on the team so limited. It's much different than baseball is literally like how big are your pockets? I think that too because you were talking about hockey. The hockey there is exploded. But that was an expansion team. It was the The Raiders have done okay, but that the Raiders have been moving around like a fucking chess piece, right, that's why it's hard since the eighties, seventies, I don't know before Yeah, yeah, they've been everywhere. Yeah, they've been all over the place that they wouldn't maybe have been better off with an expansion team. And I think that that's probably true of baseball. Yeah, I don't know when the last time the NFL expanded, though it's been a minute. Yeah, and it might have been like the Rams in them in the eighties. Yeah, and then why is it I mean basketball, it's planned the next expansion there there's the contract is like giant for like the players union or something.

12:54 There's some giant contract that's supposed to get done in these next two years. And then he's already said they're base going to expand in twenty twenty six, twenty twenty eight, and it's almost guaranteed it'll be Seattle in Vegas. Yeah, Seattle. I could see Seattle was pissed, Yeah, having lost Yeah, their team too. Yeah. I don't know the next expansion around that too, even though they might have called Oklahoma and expansion for some reason because something else may be moved obviously was the Sonics at the same time. Yeah, yeah, I don't know when they expanded either, but yeah, I think they're going to add a couple a couple more. I don't know. Expanding a league like that, like scaling any business is so hard, but an expansion team is like probably so difficult in the back end numbers to figure out when it's time to do that. Well, I mean part of the thing too with an expansion team is like all of the existing team ownership gets money. Yeah, but don't you have like, at least in the NBA.

13:48 I think you chalk up like two players. Oh yeah, yeah, there's like a yeah you know, a rule five draft is what they call it. And yeah one of the sports. No, I don't know, yeah, but basically yeah, you you you have to expose a couple of players too. Yeah that's scary. But then the money, yeah, the money aspect, Like what if you just don't sell tickets? Yeah yeah, well like Tampa Bay, they don't sell tickets. Uh football, yeah, tom, baseball either, Yeah, they've never heard about their days they do. Football has done okay lately. Yeah, football has done okay, but but baseball has not done great. And I think they have Hockey, yeah, and I think they do good, which makes no sense. I don't follow hockey like that, but like, I don't know, and obviously it's an indoor sports. Who gives a ship? But when you think about Tampa Bay, yeah, I'm not thinking about hockey or folks that like hockey, right, the idea of going to see hockey and obviously there's fans everywhere.

14:41 But the point is that you probably grew up watching it and playing it, so then you go watch it. If you grew up in Tampa Bay, you're not thinking about hockey now once. Even Sacramento. Yeah, right, Like Sacramento is way icier than Tampa Bay. And it's not a thing here, Yeah, you know it is. It is an interesting business. The Kings, the King's A's thing is interesting though. I mean, I think a pro league could probably or a pro team could probably hang here and arguably better than Oakland. Maybe better than Oakland at least just because of the history. Yeah, you know the history that is, Yeah, isn't very good since eighties. No, yeah, no, well it's a part of it is you're not spend any money and money ball only works so far. Moneyball will get you in maybe the first round of the playoffs if you have chosen very well. Yeah. And I think another big issue is just culture of the West Coast kind of like we were talking before, like there's so many transplants that like to be like a diehard A's fan. Yeah, Like how many people are born and raised generally generationally in Oakland, Probably not that much.

15:41 Yeah, you know what I mean, you're either going to try to move out or you're gonna try to go to the Bay. You know, you're wiggling around. We're like, I'm telling you, Like Cleveland, even Vegas, I am surprised how many signs there are mostly hockey, but like every car's got a night sticker on it. In Cleveland, you literally can't drive by a house in the suburbs without an Indian's Browns House state Like they're everywhere. Every single house has a sign on it, you know. Like my aunt, like she listens to every game on the radio, Like it's crazy. You know, they're they're about it. They're about it, and you just don't get that out here for college or pro. The Kings fans are pretty good. Kings fans are pretty good. But it's not like that. Yeah, I think too that, like we're talking about expansion versus relocation a team. Relocation is a little bit like adopting a teenager. It's hard.

16:29 It's it's hard. Nobody knows exactly how to respond. That's why it hasn't gone crazy with the Raiders, everyone thinks because like, yeah, the Raiders are just like a travel team, you know, they've been. They've been in four cities in the last four decades. Yeah, and their fan base is like mostly LA people. Yeah, now, yeah, you know it, which is crazy and so like, yeah, they just don't care. They just haven't like adopted them yet. But if they win some games and if they like show they're there a while, you know, maybe the Rams got some love in Saint Louis and they have another team that traveled everywhere. Yeah, you know, now they're back in LA and they're probably getting a little bit of love the Chargers in LA too. Everything's yeah, there's a lot of movement for how much money that is now that we're just a news reporting show. I saw that, Yeah, I saw it. So we when I'm in fucking like high school might have been when I was eighteen, it was like my first voting experience. We're voting for the bullet train, right San franci or Sacramento to San Francisco to Los Angeles. Fucking sick vote that man, take my five cents. You know, I don't give a shit. That still like literally hasn't happened. It's from like Merced to like Bakersfield. Even if even if yeah, a couple of years. It agoes. Yeah, and that was so that was state funded, in state run right program. Yeah, they just announced which is it is fucking genius, and it does make me think there's puppet masters going out there. They're going, uh San Diego to Seattle bullet train in the next two years to get ready for the World Cup and the future Olympics, because what's the Olympics twenty thirty, twenty twenty eight it's la I think, and then the World

18:00 Cups twenty twenty six. And so they're trying to go Vegas, which I think it's an arena. San Francisco gets arena. They announced a schedule. We should fucking buy tickets, is what we should do. I'm trying to see Messy by chance that he comes, but they're going, uh, I think they said three and a half hours. Good lord, bull it train, which makes me thinking that so fast. Yeah, it makes me think that there's no stop. Yeah, maybe right, it might be direct and you're probably going, yeah three D moss Prower, you're just screaming, yeah. If there's no stop and they go through like the central part for the majority of it. Sually, I don't know any about to think anything about this at all. Yeah, yeah, I just saw yesterday wow, which is crazy, the La one or the Yeah, which is whatever, because it's like Rancho Cucamugga. It's still better than nothing. To Vegas has already been digging. You can see it on the freeways, and I think it's gonna run in between the freeways, which is kind of easy. Makes sense.

18:52 The path's already drawn, and then they showed the h and then it lands you, I think, in the strip, which is cool, and the train station looks all fair and see it's nice. It doesn't really make sense that we haven't tried that nichtionwide. Well, yeah, we abandoned so much of it as the problem. Yeah, like we walked away from and then recreating it is super expensive, and especially like any any you know, civic project in sure across a fortune. Yeah, the hoops, you got to jump through your zone, zoning or whatever. But there's powerful folks, you know. I would just think like some trillionaire would go to Amtrak say like, hey, let's like just replace your shit. Yeah right, Like it's literally just old tech, yeah pretty much, and you could just haul ass. I mean imagine you get from Sacramento to Boston in ten hours.

19:37 Yeah, right, you make it one hundred bucks or whatever. The ship yeah, like well, and I mean last last summer we went from our late spring early summer went from you know, London to Paris in all over two hours. It's so normal, Yeah, super normal. Everyone just does it. It's just the whole infrastructure, the rail infrastructure in that part of Europe is just outstanding compared to anything that we can do here. Yeah. I've done New York to Boston and it was through Madison Square Garden Station or whatever. So that was cool and that was convenient, but it wasn't that fast. Yeah, it's not super fast. And then then and the it was pretty convenient because it does dump you downtown to downtown and the seats are nice and ship like that. But like, yeah, it makes no sense to me. Yeah, I think we're going to do either New York to Boston, New York to Philly. At the end of this New York trip, I think that train's good too. Afhilly to New York and then even like a DC ish, I think you can all get to the kind of like Square via train. I think they're doing a bullet don't quote me, but I think they might be trying to do one from like Dallas to Houston too. That would be interesting. That's the article I saw. It's like up and coming bullet trained projects. And I think they're all private because that's the only way you're gonna get it done. Yeah, it's they're gonna be expensive, for sure. That's the expensive to actually get on. That's the back end of the Vegas one. Like their rumored to like charge three hundred bucks a ticket and like no one's gonna buy that. Yeah, that's a little more expensive than the flight. The flight's the same call. Yeah, cheaper cost and quicker and it drives four hours. Isn't that crazy? Like

21:10 you're gonna have to wiggle that to get some demand. But yeah, in the future maybe, I don't know. If you're if you're in another country, it makes more sense to con where you're going and where you're doing. It's easier to let somebody else do the driving. So it's true, true, Yeah, but how do you not do one on the West Coast when our cities line up literally perfectly? Yeah? Right, you go San Diego, La sac and San fran Portland, Seattle. Yeah, if they could have run it, ran bullet trained along with I five. When they built I five, that would have made sense. Literally it would have looked like a Disneyland monorail. But still yeah, yeah, considering the time that it was built. Yeah, but if you're going, yeah, three hundred miles per hour, bless you. Yeah, you're just with him, It just makes a lot of sense. Yeah, same idea. You think about tourism, let alone, like every day folks that could commute, every day folks could have literal jobs anywhere. But then yeah, you're from Europe and you flat to San Diego. You could visit the entire West Coast in one trip.

22:08 To visit the US seems so hard if you're not from here, Yeah, and the like where do you start? And people from either even people from other parts of the of the country think that California is like sure easy to get around in and it's not. Yeah, no, it's impossible. And and you know, La and Sacramento are not close to each other. Yeah yeah, I mean even in San Francisco and Sacramento. Like, if you're like from Europe or something, like, what are you gonna do. You're gonna run a car, You're gonna run an uber you can train. Yeah, and even that's a bit because you gotta take buses in between and trash to get city to city. I think you can go straight on the train. The last time I did, you couldn't. Really, Yeah it was a while ago. But yeah, you got you get dumped off in like Oakland Dish, then you gotta take a bus, then you gotta go bart Yeah. Yeah, it's just annoying. Yeah, caltrain train maybe.

22:57 Yeah, there's definitely a couple of hoppers in between. We're stupid because we're an hour away. They're the big buses right now too. Yeah. Yeah, buses are kind of outdated too, Like I get that it's crazy affordable, but yeah, the new ones are actually supposed to be pretty nice, like Wi Fi and they're cleaning and all that stuff, and they're not charging that much. No, they're cheap, they're cheap. But yeah, but but also you have to know about those things. Yeah, you got to look into the travel guides and all that kind of stuff, figure out where to and they'll take forever. Yeah that fast, it's that fast bus takes for for sure. You can't take a helicopter and we don't have flying cars yet, so soon you had giant drones. Yeah, you had drone buses.

23:41 Yeah. So something that I just wanted to throw out here today was this article that I got pointed to something else that I was reading Free the Hub about, Uh, people talk about porn addiction. I'm addicted to porn or I was addicted to Free the Hubby pervs. It isn't You're not a thing. You're just a sicko. It isn't a thing. It's just sicko. Studies have shown that it isn't a thing. I wonder how that relates to sex addiction. I don't. I think that there's a good possibility that sex edition also addiction also does not exist. But I'm just human. People poor an addiction. Just human, Yeah, I was. This is an article from psychologist Just Human trying to Procreate from twenty eighteen, So not new.

24:30 This is like and I don't know, I don't know why this is not like trickling through the culture a little bit more than it than it has. Some of it's just funny too, like not to be uh, non empathetic here, but you like you're like opening up, you know, and it's like very social media stuff, like it's very common to talk about this kind of stuff. Yeah, exactly. And it's common to talk about all like traumas, right because you're trying to be relatable and you're trying to tell your story, which I do believe is a positive a social media right to make you feel not alone that someone else lost a husband or whatever whatever, even going through heartbreak, Like it's more relatable now than ever because you can visually see other people going through it. But it's just like, yeah, you're open up on a heart to heart. And then you say, like porn addiction and we've almost categorized it so much because they talk about it, but like when you really think about someone's porn addiction is crazy, Like you're just fucking stroking your cock too much. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like your your issue is just fucking going crazy. There are certain like characteristics of addiction, yeah, and that porn does not meet. Yeah, it was like I know like one like like base level one that at least I go buy and some therapists and stuff talk to me about. It's just like yeah, like how is it affecting your regular life? Right? Right?

25:41 So like are you literally sitting in the shower and say like I have to go to class right now, classes at nine o'clock and then you just jerk off for an hour and miss class. Is that like happening every day? That would be a lot, right, But that is like what would make addiction or like, yeah, I have this meeting where I'm supposed to meet sebouts for dinner, but I just jerked off for two hours instead. Yeah, right, Like doing something a lot doesn't mean you're addicted, correct, Right, Like I work out, I'm definitely not addicted to working out. I drink caffeine, I'm definitely not addicted. Yeah, I just know, you know. Yeah. So this study actually looked at a bunch of different studies and the thing that they found I thought was very interesting that people who would describe themselves as being addicted to porn or afraid that they're addicted to porn or whatever, don't use that much porn. And the morality problem around them is it's like a guilt, it's religiosity. It's like a guilt relief to say you're addicted exactly when you're just a normal jerker. Yep. And the real addicts like us don't talk about it, don't talk about it.

26:52 Exactly like the three about yourselves, like the three of us. It is funny because like, I'm sure there's some people that can actually be addicted to anything, right, and then you got to go find help to screw your way through that, right, whatever it is. And those are often the people that may have a story to tell. But I do wonder, yeah, the people that talk about it freely and anything like that. People have talked about steroids or they've talked about workout addicts, which is a thing I think and I don't know clinically, but again, you can hypothetically get addicted to anything an individual, whether it's a big problem or not. I think it's the discussion here. But if you like, don't go seek help because if again yeah, joking aside, like if you're the real addict, you're not talking about it because you don't know, right, Like you might be a shame that you jerk off a lot or something, but you don't you're not kind of like you said, yeah, the real ones you might have a guilt so they express this addiction, but you don't like express that addiction typically until you've gone through like therapies and programs to realize where you're at, and you don't go through therapies and programs to realize where you're at until it's so negatively affecting your real life. Right, you're broke, your wife left you, you sold your car for the new Playboy magazine, right, like that would be the porn addicts path. What you hear about with alcohol and

28:22 other things like, but the people talking about it. There's one big YouTuber I know, I don't know if we mentioned he talks about all the time. We can talk about it foos. He talks about it all the time. But Fusie talked about getting and this might be different, but the same. I think he and I don't know, because people are so good at making content. He could just be funny, but he talks about getting Roubin tugs so much that he was an addict. It went broke through it and then like I think that's a lot of revenantell. That's enough friction to start a forest fire. Yeah, And I don't know what the price ranges on them things. But and he obviously, you know, I think he's suffered from bipolar disorder and some other things that obviously all accumulate this, But he's gotten help. You know, I've watched his streams and he's he's literally on the phone with his therapist, who's like Jake Paul's therapist, like all these famous people's therapists. It she seems actually fucking dope. Like on the phone call, I'm like, dude, this lady seems so awesome, and it's clearly helped him in some ways. But yeah, I wonder sex addiction, porn addiction, but I think he went broke doing it right, which again probably leads to like, oh, maybe that was an addiction maybe, and then he got help. Yeah, I think he had to go to AA because I think he was doing something. Maybe he's just drinking. I don't know, but he's doing something. So he went through like legitimate therapy then or program and then that therapy and then he comes out and tells a story like that seems normal to me rather than like I don't know. Yeah, the other thing I could, yeah, like caffeine, I guess would be like my one of my bigger vices if you wanted to call it that, and it used to be one of mine, and I just I can take

29:53 over it now. Yeah, I mean, I really like the cup of coffee in the morning, but like, it's not not new drinking nearly as much as I used to and don't usually drink it at other times of day. And I bought I bought an espresso, which gives you, like a duck a double espresso amount of coffee and you can Americana went up a little bit with some more hot water. But like, it's not it's it's two thirds of what I used to drink in the morning, and I don't go back to it most of the time. Some of my mind is I just like all the drinks. Yeah, Like I love the taste of coffee, I love soda type things, so I love energy drinks rather than Yeah, I drink so much of it, I don't really get buzzed per se.

30:33 Yeah, no, I'm not. I'm drinking less than I'm not more susceptible to it as far as I can tell. Yeah, as far as I can tell. This article makes the point that porn addiction is not diagnosable anyway, and it never has been interesting, so it's not in any med DSM whatever. Now I do understand. I guess now to defend my porn friends, as I just rip you apart being fake, there is something wrong with and it's new, so I do think it's still gonna evolve. But the human addiction with technology, right because things that seems like a possibility, right because of the instant gratification that you can get from anything. Oh I'm a chopaholic, or I feel good when I shop. I can shop quicker than I've ever could shop. Right, And I do believe because the big argument for some of these people are on the alpha male you know, masculinity train, and some of it I agree with, where like back in the day, you know, to excuse my words, to bust a nut, you would have to one walk into a shady place and grab a playboy, right and like do that work? To go get it? Or or wine and dine a beautiful partner, you know, male or female. I don't know what kind of porn you guys are watching, but you'd have to go, you know, okay with whatever it is because you, oh, yeah, we have to watch. I don't want to hear about it. I don't want to hear about it. You know. Yeah, you'd have to, you know, find a woman. You'd have to get courage to say hello.

32:00 You'd have to say, hey, can I get your number. Hey, you want to go grab dinner, You buy your dinner, hopefully you do that a couple of times, and then you get to bust your nut. Right, there's like but you're not having porn sex then either, though well you know, again, I don't like to judge how how wild and freaky deky some of these people maybe, but yeah, yeah, long story short, Yeah, the phone is such a short cut to this end goal. But then I guess to play devil's advocate. And I'm hypothetically speaking because I'm not a historian. Back in the day, it was probably simpler too, though, you know, whether you want to talk caves man or whatever, there probably wasn't as much wining and dining going on, right when there's a arranged marriage, right, so you're not doing shit. Your parents are setting you up with with your nut busting, and then two you know, but pretty previous to that, it's probably uga uga. I'm strong man.

32:49 You know you're with me, whether you know I agree with that or not. But there probably wasn't a lot of wine and dining. But I do think it probably wired your brain not good in many ways. And I'm guilty as any one just to have so much power in your phone to affect our mood negative, positive, dopamine and all that shit. So I think that it might be more of a tech addiction. Yeah, and yeah potentially, Yeah, dopamine addiction not specific to porn, but specific to Yeah. Yeah, you can get such you get heis and lows in ten seconds. Yeah. Sure. You know again, we take away technology and the highs and lows comes through such a long thing. You're either hearing a story from a friend and you're getting sad or happy or you got to go do this in X y Z. But there's like paths to the dopamine hits and ship.

33:37 Yeah, and you know, also you're talking about dating, like I don't know if dating is easier or harder, but seeing what's available or who's oh, it's way harder. We're fucked. I'm sick of forever. It's fucked. Yeah, it's fucked out there. You know you haven't done the app thing. I've played with the apps. It's fucked. It's all fucked because then like the same, it's almost worse. I was just talking to some of the members out there about like the interview process of works and businesses, how flawed that is right, Like someone is obviously showing up prepared to tell you what they think you want to hear. Correct, Well, what do you think a dating app is? Right, they're telling you what they think you want to hear. So maybe you've got a chance to make them, maybe feel cool to then go on a date with them, and they fucking suck. They got nothing going on. No, it's all I do think.

34:22 As much as the Internet has blessed me in my life for many ways, it's it might be a net negative. Man. What do they call Web two? I think we're technically in Web two. Where Web one was a place to like store stuff, Web two is a place where you can interact with stuff. I was even just talking to Jordan out there and how Web two the Internet's basically become a marketplace. There's not a lot else going on the Internet besides money transactions for something, right, Netflix streaming, you're paying for it, right, it's all consumer based or even B to B it doesn't really matter. It's all a marketplace where back in the day, yeah, store data, right, you'd find the dictionary online you want to read that or whatever? The fuck? Blogs and even now blogs right, like, yeah, you can. I'm not saying you can't learn on there, but they're selling you something and I think that might be part of the issue here as well. Yeah, I think that's that's possible. But my point was like, there are people on apps, and if you're trying to connect with people, they might not be the people that you want to connect with, but there are people there for sure. It's easy. Yeah, but yeah, I mean that's what like Tinder even still to this day.

35:27 I don't know subut a younger man, but I think it's just known as the fuck app. Yeah, right, like you're just going on everyone's just yeah. No, I think some of those people are dating, do you think. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They each have their own like culture about them. Yeah, they each have their own culture about them. Yeah. I think plenty of fish are the more mature folks I've heard of, like friends, parents are moms people, they are still using facebooks. Yeah. Yeah, it's the Facebook gen. Yeah, Christian Mingle and plenty of fish of the Facebook gen for sure, even though I'm kind of the Facebook gen to be honest, Yeah, you are. It literally became college accessible or public accessible when I got into college. Yeah, yeah, like literally that year. So I'm definitely fixing. And that was originally a dating app, or not even a dating app, a rating app. Yeah, yeah, for sure, a rating app literal, but even a dating app after that, like you'd go to a party in college and then like next day, like you're getting friend requests from the chicks or your friend request and chick. Yeah, the same as Instagram now. But yeah, there's just so much of it and like, yeah, you're scrolling profile as you see what you want to see. Yeah, it's it is messy, man, it is. It is. Uh, the Internet's changed so much shit in life that I think the issue with it isn't the change. The issue with it is that people don't recognize the change. They don't take the time to realize like, oh, man, like dating is fucked because of X y Z, or I'm scrolling around like crazy, or I'm on Tinder swiping like crazy, I'm beating my meat every two hours like crazy because I'm looking for this. Actually, I think that's it's like actual self awareness because you can blame tech, but it's all on the individual. I've never missed class beaten

37:01 my meat, you know, a couple of times but not you know, yeah, yeah, I took mortal class. I was too tired. But I don't I don't know, Yeah, I don't know. But it is very common. And and some of it is selly because you see, it's the it's the alpha male guys, because then they're they're doing that, and then they're trying to tell you how to date course on the back end, yeah, right, or how to raise your testosterone or how to be a man on the back end. Yeah. And I think that it claiming that you are addicted to porn and that you're trying to, you know, work on your porn addiction is a virtue signal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot of it. I mean, the whole Internet's a walking virtue signal. Now I hate it. What do they call it? A semen retention?

37:43 Oh? Semen retention is so sturdy. Semen retention. That's good. That's good for your masculinity. That's no nut November yeah yeah, no nut lifestyle. Yeah except that that, I mean I don't have an article for that, but there are articles for that. Yeah, there's no way problem. Yeah. And again, like I I don't love the argument of going like well on an evolutionary sense what we are, you know, but a lot of things you can start to string back down and like we have a trillion goddamn semen for a reason. We're made to bust nuts left and right. So then like, why would you be addicted to bust and nuts left and right? Yeah, I guess it's not a jerk off addiction. They're talking about porn. But still then it's the technology accessibility issue. Yeah, well, yeah, because it's entirely different issue than it used to be when, as you were saying, it used to go to a bookstore or like you could get a you can get a Playboy at the grocery store, but you couldn't get and it was in brown paper wrapper. Yeah yeah, yeah, but you can't get couldn't get anything else, and they're not addicted to that. And you're saying, because it's HD now on porn hub, Like, I don't think that's why people are. I don't think that's why.

38:50 I think there's just so much of it, right, And it's it's the accessibility, yeah, right, because you can click twice and get there and then be all fucking and the type probably yeah, almost playboys and having like eight cocks twenty women and a monkey in there. No fucking monkey man. The Hub's got everything, you know. I think that's probably a bigger issue too. And I'm not here to kink shame, Like, if you're in all that, you're into whatever the fuck you're into. But I do think the accessibility, you know, some of it. Yeah, it's weird. Internet's weird. You find anything on the Hub? Yeah, people find all sorts of things to get excited about. Yeah, do not ap peel to other people. What's weird is you know, when the when the contours of those things, you know, people are, have they been exposed to it or not been exposed to whatever? It all kind of look the same for certain kinds of fetishes or whatever. Yeah, you wonder if you're actually attracted to something. I joke about this with my sexuality, but if you're actually attracted to something, you And maybe I'm just talking my eyes, but in my opinion, I don't think you need to be exposed to it first to know if you are or not. Probably not right, they're like, oh, you gotta suck a dick to see if you're gay, Like, no, I know I never had to think about it, Like I know, I don't want to suck a dick. Yeah, you know what I mean.

40:15 So, like, maybe that's another issue with porn, is that you hunt for crazy shit, then you're gonna be interested in crazy shit, although you might not be actually just attracted to crazy shit. Right. If I'm twelve, never been on the Internet, and I close my eyes and I see myself, you know, doing whatever xyz, then maybe I'm attracted to x y Z. But if I'm twelve and I have access to the Internet and I just am a crazy kid, every kid at twelve's crazy, and you start hunting for crazy shit because you're looking for shock factor because you're fucking twelve. Now all of a sudden, your brain's getting programmed for some weird shit. Now, is that an addiction? I don't think so necessarily, but I do think those are issues that maybe, again, these people who claim porn addiction are are laterally like the argument's lateral to what they're virtue signing.

41:06 Yeah, And I don't know, it's difficult to unpack when someone comes out on social media and they're like almost addicted to porn or whatever, being addicted to sexis is the diagnosis is compulsive sexual behavior disorder, and that like the the World Health Organization UH is excluding excluding the moral conflict part that seems to be driving the bad feelings around porn. From that, it's just literally like their person's religiousness doesn't really isn't really a factor in doing it. It's that they have some other they have a like diagnosable disorder. Yeah, yeah, around it. But it's probably not just high test No, Like there's some wires that are probably a little twisted, little twisted. Yeah. But people who are coming out to say these things either they're they're literally virtue signaling or they or they believe that something is real and they see aspects of that within themselves and they come forward. But they're also you know, reaping the benefit right of people attention. Yeah, exactly. I think that's the bigger issue of all of it and all the social media, and my issue of where social media has gotten is I think there's a very fine line of like being vulnerable and being authentic and then finding or helping people that can relate to your story versus taking advantage of that. And I literally do think eighty percent of everything I see on the fucking Internet feels like a virtue signal because people

42:37 are talking about it so fucking much. The things I've opened up about in the history, I don't talk about all the time. And I was even thinking about this the other day because me and Abby just it was a little Jerry's birthday, so we went and got ice creaming. Abby drove me and I forgot how it started. But I talk about my best friend passing away, and that's like something I've talked about on the internet, but it's not something I talk about in every fucking episode because I want everyone out there to pity me for losing my best friend. Yeah right, and so like, and I'm not ashamed of it by any means, but it's like an uncomfortable thing to talk about, you know what I mean. Like I don't want to rethink about my best friend dying and going to that hospital. I think that's why we were talking about hospitals and that brought it up or whatever. But I don't want to talk about that all the time. And I've never been a porn addict, but if I was, or were, you wouldn't be. I probably wouldn't be stoked on it, right, and so like I wouldn't, you wouldn't find any cloud from it at all, Right, Yeah, and like it maybe once or twice I'd open up about it and try to really help and relate to people out there, or I'd go on a mission to find therapist, interview or something that really helped that cause, or donate my money in time to like help that cause. If I really think it's a thing, But I don't think you're stoked about talking about it all the fucking time. And maybe I'm maybe they're more courageous than I am, but that's with anything, you know, whether it's like escaping a cult or any like crazy stuff you don't want to talk about all day every day.

43:55 It doesn't feel good, right, Uh, And if it's real, I don't don't think it ever feels good, you know what I mean? Yeah, for sure? Right, Like because then the people's argument would be like, oh, if you talk about enough, you'd normalize it for yourself. But like if you went through it, I don't think it ever becomes normal. I mean, you and I have have both lost a best friend and we've both lost at least one parent, And if we talked about it all the time, that's just who we would be to everybody, right, And Yeah, you're like, it's branding. That's what virtue signaling is online, is you're branding yourself in this niche. It's a thing that people can connect to us about on the rare occasions that we bring it out, right, because everyone will go through this stuff and I and we get in we want to relate. And it was a dark time and it is part of who I am for sure, Like it has built me in a lot of ways. To me too, I remember going through it and thinking like, damn, this is going to be part of me. Yea. But yeah, I just don't think you're like stoked on talking about it all the time.

44:53 If you're fucking especially porn, that's fucking embarrassing. Yeah, talking about jerking off is like kind of a dude locker room thing, but like, hey, you're just not like you fucked your life up by playing with your cock. Yeah, Like that's not something to be stoked on. So that it just feels virtue signally based on that. I think for me that if it was that deep, you just come about it a little different. Yeah, And it is just I'm telling you, it's so common all this stuff and even like the open relationship stuff there was a big trend online. Okay, so you're into polygamy or whatever. That's cool. One, I don't care. Two and and I get it, Like maybe you're trying to share the way for other people that don't believe or can't relate with monogamy. Okay, that's cool. But like, then again, all you want to talk about is that all you want to talk about is dating five people at the time and how to do that. Probably not like you're probably virtue signaling, you're probably making money somewhere on the back end. You're probably selling an ebook on dating. Like, it's just all of it. The Internet's gotten to a really weird place for me, and I'm very Yeah, if you on most things that consume because of that, like I'll watch a bunch of stuff and and and if you're straight up about what you're making money on, then it feels a little better. Yeah, Like comedians, why do they send clips all over Instagram? Weall because they're trying to sell their shows exactly.

46:13 But that's like, so that's all great. How to get people to watch things that's ever been Yeah, there are too many option, but that's great to me. Yeah, you're trying to show me something funny, So then you are selling me funny on Netflix or in person, like it's so relatable. But like, yeah, say you are a real porn attic whatever that means. Uh, And then you're gonna sell me like like one, you're probably not doctor, but you're gonna sell me some masculinity. You're like anti porn thing, or then yeah, you're swinging so hard the other way that you're like anti porn, I'll not pro porn, but again that's a branding, you're right, right, And then you're probably selling some shit that's like not clear. Yeah, like we talk somewhat fitness here, but we just talk life now. But because we're selling a gym. We have a gym.

46:53 Yes, that's not like we have in a periline. Yeah gym. Yeah, it's not like we don't sell the apperallin it's probably much just we could but anyway, but it's not like a hidden agenda. No, no, it's not you know, it's not a sneaky agenda. Like we work out, like clothes, We we got a place to work out and buy close like it's pretty simple. Yeah, and and and yeah, it just feels weird when you're doing all that. There's no there's no like back door pitch that yeah, or unrelated unrelated yeah, yeah. I think I think what people really are is addicted to attention. I would agree with that, and that's where that's And I don't know if that's diagnosable either. Well, I guess it is in terms of maybe like narcissist and shiit, but that's so extreme, uh that terms, it's hard to find people who are like classically narcissists. No, people use that term all over the internet because they did one online therapy zoom call and now they think they're narcissist pros. But like an actual like NPD, like narcissist personality disorder is fucking so rare.

47:52 It's there, They're out there, but it's rare. Yeah, it's it's it's it's more the cases. Some people are just assholes, right, disregardless the people it's not, you know, put and put themselves first. But like the classical diagnosis now as far of narcissism, as far personality disorder is not. Some people yet just selfish and unaware. Not they're not self aware. But I do think the Internet is breeding moral them. I think that that's probably true, because that's what they say a narcissist. Everything's mostly nature and nurture, right right, And a lot of times it's kids that either got too much attention or kids that got no attention. Both can lead to true NPD. And what's the Internet doing. It's just making that louder.

48:36 Yeah, kids, kids that want to be a content creator and can't get any fucking attention or kids that want fucking attention and all of a sudden blow up. So what's going to create? What's it going to create when your whole life from this generation on is about Internet clout, yah, and it really is. I'm listening to a book right now. By the way, if you have a Spotify account, you're paying for it. You can get like fifteen hours of audiobook for free. Yeah, not additional whatever. So and the library. I just had to say it because my mom muals with me all the time. Yeah. I thought it. I bought like an audible thing, and my mom yelled at me, and then she's like, you know, you can just do audible books from the library for free. I'm like, all right, my life the same. Yeah, Yeah, it's just it's an easier interface. No, Spotify is so good. Yeah, Spotify is good, and I don't have an audible account that I'm literally paying for as well. But I just killed myself by buying the book.

49:24 Yeah, then I'll go listen to it. Yeah you know what I mean. I buy like a nine to ninety nine audiobook. I'm like, ad fu. Yeah, listening to this book called Clan Lens, which is about it's about Scotland, but it's it. It was a TV series, like a reality kind of TV series with a couple of the actors from uh Outlander, and they're both they both have you know, Scottish backgrounds and whatever, so they did this series and the book this book is the companion to this series, except that it's very behind the scenes. Like yeah, I mean, if you don't understand how reality shows are filmed, yeah, this is like a pretty good inside of how how people think about it and like what they what kind of shots they set up, and what they think is gonna work on TV and whatever. But it's not like you're not seeing the real because there's no real Yeah. Yeah, it does it pull the veil at bit. It a lot, yeah, a lot. You know how scripted it is. Yeah, I learned that early shout out my boy Kenny's Antucci.

50:25 He was just the first one, and he was one of the first reality stars ever. And he just straight up told me he is like reality TV. If they control the environment, you act real. Yeah. If they don't control the environment, they're gonna script you, right, And I was like, oh, that makes sense. It totally, that totally makes sense. And that's what the real world was. They controlled the environment. So they put the vodka in there, and they put who's in there. And then he's like, they didn't tell me how to be. I was me, but they controlled everything around me. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of like a lab experiment. Yeah, and that's what makes it interesting. That's why I watched live streams, because live streams are like, yeah, it feels like truly authentic. You don't know what's about to happen. Yeah. So one of the actress is in a spitting distance of my age and there is one bit of one chapter where he talks about this very close friend of his who died in a car accident and how he felt about it, and he, in the course of it, makes a tribute to this guy by doing this thing that this guy would have enjoyed, had he been around whatever, and I was very affecting to me personally. And I have like a little bit of a mental connection to that actor now that I didn't have before because I know we've been through a similar thing, not the same thing, but a similar thing. And now like he now he's told the story one time. Every once in a while he'll reference that person and because that person was part of his life, but you're not hearing the whole story.

51:51 Yeah, it's not his whole life, it's not his whole branding. It's not about how sad he is. And one of the things that frustrates me about about people on social media is they'll do a they'll make a post that is inscrutable, like you can tell there's a fucking sad thing going on or whatever, but they don't tell you what it is. It's like why bother like really like whether he's trying to like foreshadow or something. It's literally like writing a script. Either tell the story in a way that you can kind of close the loop on it so people understand what you're saying, or you know, it's a it's a text to people who know you, I mean, instead of putting it on social and it's just a screen for attention. Yeah, it is like yeah, and I mean or I mean, I did that on MySpace, but I was a fucking twelve Yeah. Eventually you grow up and you Yeah I put a sad song when I was sad.

52:37 Yeah, but I was twelve years old. I didn't know what else to do, you know, But like then hopefully you grow up and you move on beyond that. Yeah. It is just like an attention positive loop. Because you tell the story about me jerking off too much, it gets a bunch of likes. Well, every week I'm gonna do a post about me jerking off so much because I got a bunch of likes, and then it becomes viral in the not necessarily explosively viral way, but in the people's heads viral way where someone says, oh, geez, maybe I'm addicted to porn, right, and then then they attach to your content because you're going to tell them how to drop the hub. Yeah. I don't, I don't understand. I don't get it at all. Put your dicks away, Yeah, everyone listening, seriously. So yeah, this thing, this article says the moral incongruence around pornography use is consistently the best predictor of the belief that one is experiencing pornography related problems or dysregulation, and comparisons of aggregate effects revealed that it's consistently much better predictor than porn use itself. Yeah, I mean it makes so much sense to me because like psyche diagnoses like this have been around, yeah, and porn addiction hasn't been around. What changes the Internet?

53:45 So you may be addicted to the Internet, Yeah, but you're probably not addicted to poor hom me an, addicted to porn or addicted to your phone. All right, ladies and gentlemen. New episode Wednesday, Friday, Third Street, bar Bell, Sacramento, California. If you evorit in town, stop on by three sp dot CEO for all your apparel needs. New sock drop coming very very soon, so stay tuned to that if you want to get involved. Good Company discord dot com that's a like min community early access to all our drops and I'm in there chating all day. So so you on good Company discord dot com. I am at j mcdiane all the social media. By the way, I'm gonna I will link this article so you can read it so you can. It's not just coming out of my mouth here. Uh, this show is fifty percent facts. For percent is a word, and fifty it's just numbers. Fifty percent facts. It's a Spreaker Prime Podcast and association with iHeartMedia on the Obscure Celebrity Network and we'll talk to you next time.