Jacob Ross | Olympic Basketball

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We don't telecom a lot of folks
only when we feel it's important or someone

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we want to catch up with,
and this is definitely one of them.

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The man's worked with numerous pro athletes, Olympians, individuals. I don't know

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if you've been with an Olympic team
yet. That's the main thing I want

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to dig into, because I'm just
personally interested. Olympic individuals is obviously a

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great achievement in its own, but
Olympic teams, it's just a little bit

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different. Vibes. Father, husband, really good friend of ours, someone

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I met through Barbara Brigade. Technically, I guess we kind of met on

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our own, but in Barbara Brigade, I remember the day like it was

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a rom com. I'm in the
I'm in the lobby of Barbara Brigade and

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the team. At the time,
I was pretty close with it. They

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had been there a long time.
Some great folks, but a lot of

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people aren't really I don't know if
athletes are the right time. They weren't

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really into sports, and so I
don't know if it was barred or a

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dime or someone came to me and
said, Mike, I think there's an

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NBA guy and his trainer coming in. I said, NBA, which you

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got, dude, Luile Dang's coming
in. And I was a big Bulls

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fan, grew up in the nineties, so it's hard not to be a

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Jordan fan. And then you just
kind of keep that with you a little

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bit. So I was a huge
fan of the Derek Rose, Luell,

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Joe Kim, Noah Era. I
said, dude, that's fucking sick,

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and they're like, yeah, I
think like the trainer like knows all of

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us somehow or something like he's just
tapped in. I was like, oh,

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sick. They're like, just kick
it. So I think I kicked

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it at the gym for like three
hours. We did that anyways, because

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we had nothing to do with you
know, we're all like just filming YouTube

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and it was the happy days.
But I was just kicking it. And

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then I think you walked in and
we chatted for a bit and you had

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some stuff to do, so I
kind of try to let you be.

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But I don't know how we re
reconnected, but we did reconnect, maybe

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Instagram or something, and then many
adventure later, here we are. We've

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been on cruises together, we've trained
together, watch basketball. We've been to

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nightclubs only. I've probably been to
more nightclubs with Jacob than I have with

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any other person on the planet.
And neither him or I'd like nightclubs or

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drink really true. Yeah, and
we end up in nightclubs together. But

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some good times, buddy, some
good times. But there's a mini resume.

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There's much more, much more to
the man, but there's a brief

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for our listeners. Yeah, I've
been to add in your resume. Yeah,

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add to your resume what you got. No, I'm just saying,

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you know, I'd known you guys
for a long time, first via you

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know, internet and podcasting and all
that stuff. And then I did get

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plugged in through Barbilburgate and uh we
kicked it at La FedEx Fo. Yeah.

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And then Jim sixteen twenty seventeen,
maybe twenty seventeen, gotta be yeah.

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And then Jim came down to La
and him I had a really nice

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breakfast brunch, yeah, breakfast,
yeah, coffee something yeah. Yeah.

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And that was the first time we
met in person. Yeah. Yeah.

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And then I came up to Sack
a couple of times. Yeah. And

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then Louall came up to sack.
Yeah, we end up in a hookah

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bar. Yeah, in the middle
of nowhere for those that don't know.

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Sudanese player refugee to England, UK
ended up in New Jersey, played for

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Duke and I've been a big Duke
fan. That's kind of where that all

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lined up. Jacob met him in
Chicago, correct, correct, and then

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trained a bunch of athletes at the
time, but kind of was captured by

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Luel to be more of an individual
traveling coach. And then yeah, Louell

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obviously had in sat Creis, Chicago, Miami, LA, tapered off into

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Minnesota and now is doing everything.
But I think that's where the story leads

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to the Olympics. So Luau a
lot of investments, money, business,

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but also like lead charity, lead, giving back to where he's from.

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He's been a big part of NBA
Africa with a president no, but he

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is one of the investors in ball
which is Basketball Africa League, which is

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kind of a sister organization in NBA
Africa. Got you, so there's that.

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You guys have run basketball camps all
over Europe and he's always dragged you

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along with that. So you've always
been a part of a basketball straight the

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conditioning culture tapped into him, and
then South Sudan, right, South Sudan's

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first big international run. Yes,
first Olympic, Yeah, first Olympic push.

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Obviously basketball has gotten insanely international and
most people tap it into like what

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the ninety two Barcelona games kind of
grew the international love. But even if

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you look at the NBA right now, we probably have five of the top

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ten players or not from America,
maybe even more. You could argue,

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you can go down the line and
name a very very good argument that top

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five players are not from America at
the time. And that's what you guys

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have been doing behind behind the scenes
forever though, right, Like, you

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have a bunch of kids that from
Sudan or Africa that are steeping into the

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D one programs and you guys run
a bunch of camps. Maybe tell us

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more on that how that kind of
started and how that rolled into Olympic life.

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Yeah, so you know, just
quick background, I met Louwall in

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twenty ten, who's playing for the
Bulls, had a couple of All Star

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rears, and then we started doing
camps and all this other stuff for South

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Sudanese kids and is his career wound
down in Minnesota. It coincided with roughly

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the start of COVID, and so
he had some time to sit like all

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of us did, and just really
thought about what does he want to do.

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And he figured that his legacy should
really be giving back through basketball.

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So he already had a foundation in
South Sudan that he ran and I helped

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him with and all that good stuff. And then in addition to that,

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he said, well, I could
take over the South Sudan National Basketball Federation.

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So just like there's USA basketball,
there's South Sudan basketball as well,

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but nobody was really doing it or
running it. And I think we talked

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about this on here before that South
Sudan has, on average the tallest people

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in the world. The average mail
from a couple of the tribes is about

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six six and so you know that's
insane. I think you introduced me or

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we were in like the booth in
La and like some of his siblings,

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does he have like six siblings,
he has a bunch of nine total.

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Yeah, walked in and like his
sister's like six four yep, like his

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other brother's seventh foot. And then
obviously on the cruise we were hanging out

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with all the brothers, like it's
six it's seven foot six' nine,

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and then one's like my hight,
but everybody else's tall at shit. So

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the joke I'm telling people is for
the Olympics coming up, I'll be on

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the bench and we play the US
once in a warm up game in London,

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and then they're actually in our Olympic
group as well, so we'll play

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him twice. And so I tell
people like, if you'll see us on

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TV, and I'll be the shortest, heaviest and whitest guy there. Yeah,

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by far, by far, And
you're not short, no, no,

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I'm six three six four on a
good day. Yeah, they're giants.

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That's so crazy. That's like because
everyone that kind of uh area of

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the world is often known for endurance, right like the Canyon Sudanese people in

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general. Like if we're talking to
the genetics, yeah that's the East to

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have the runners triathlons. Yeah,
the East African is much different than the

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West African, which is more like
your russswols. You know. The Nigerians

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are known for being short and jacked
or maybe an NFL type build yep,

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which in itself is fucking weird and
interesting, right, Like that would be

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like saying like, oh, New
Yorkers are six foot and California guys are

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fucking five to five. But it
just doesn't work our way on our continent

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for the historic reasons. Yeah,
So Louell took it over in twenty twenty,

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well technically end of twenty nineteen,
and at that time we were underanked

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in the world. So there's World
FEBA Basketball rankings, and we were completely

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underranked because we hadn't played enough games
as a institution to be qualified for anything.

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And we started playing some of the
lower level qualification tournaments, which leads

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into something called Afro Basket, just
like the Championship for Africa basketball specifically,

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who's the leader in Africa right now? What's the leading nation? Who's the

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lead eating nation in Africa? Like
historically in basketball, probably Tunisia, Okay,

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Egypt. Yeah, they've made the
Olympics, yep, Nigeria. Yeah,

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they famously beat the US and twenty
sixteen Olympics. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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yeah, yeah. Because it's it's
not obviously something you think about,

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you know, like basketball is obviously
so American. And then there's a couple

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like Slavic countries that have snuck in
Turkey and them. And although it's popular

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worldwide, you know, like the
Philippines and Japan, all those people,

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they love basketball, they're just not
known to be on you know, the

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stage quite yet. Yeah. And
one of the biggest issues is infrastructure.

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So in Sudan, you know,
we're going to the Olympics, but there's

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not one indoor court in the entire
country of South Sudan. Oh my god,

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that's crazy. It's insane. We're
going to live for a sport and

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we don't even have a facility for
it. Yeah. I doubt it's the

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perfect weather to play outside. Oh
you know, if you like one hundred

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and ten. Yeah, yeah,
well I'm that kind of do. But

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most sane people don't. And most
people don't like to work out in it

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because like you and I are shooting
on that cruise ship at one time.

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Yeah, I love that swart,
windy, humid. Yeah. Yeah,

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we gotta play the elements. That's
how you get better. Soft all these

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soft ass kids in their ac Oh
my god, you want to hear a

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story about that. So back in
infrastructure, in some of these lower level

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tournaments, the some countries like were
one that they have a couple of stadiums,

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one really nice stadium, but they
don't have a lot of practice facilities.

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So if there's eight, ten,
twelve teams in town, they try

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to rotate us through. You literally
practice anywhere from six am to ten pm

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because they're trying to get to the
better facilities, but occasionally end up at

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a crappy one. And we were
at this one facility where it's like a

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roof over the court and just super
super high, probably thirty forty foot roof.

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It looked like it used to be
a warehouse or something, but the

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sides were open and there was like
a yeah falcon or an eagle or something

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that was like flying around and he
was just dropping turds all over the court.

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They crazy. They literally had a
guy whose job was to have a

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mop and just mop up bird shit
as he would like swoop and poop.

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Oh my god, that's so insane, because yeah, you think about like

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this is like basically Olympic qualifier in
some nature, right, whether it's the

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lowest level, like yeah, you're
trying to up your power rankings, and

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people don't think about that because like
they think about USA, they think about

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their getting you know, filetman Yon
meals in the locker room, they're getting

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all this stuff. But that's probably
common around the world for other people trying

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to qualify, like I I mean, yeah, sure, Brazil and Argentina

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have a little bit more like athletics
behind them because of soccers, so maybe

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they have nicer facilities, but like
some of their ship may be JANKI two

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or yeah, you head out to
the Slovic Nations, it's not like their

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infrastructures built like the NBA. So
you come here and there's courts every I

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mean high school basketball here is insane, you know, like some of those

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like I just saw an Instagram tour
of IMG you know, like that's sick.

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Yeah, that's insane. That's probably
better than what the rest of the

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world has. And it's technically a
high school, you know, it's better

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than a lot of colleges. Yeah, yeah, probably better than every D

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two college for sure. You know, the only ones that are beating on

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the Bama's, the Dukes, the
North Carolina is. It's actually nuts,

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right, No, it's insane.
So your full time gig was not full

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time because you wear many hats,
but you were part of the crew,

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which is something I've always thought about
one kind of getting to look inside of

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it, but in being a part
of it for a couple of weeks.

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But the crew you and lu Al
have built, like the community of coaches

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and team like you guys all stick
together, which I feel is like cool

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and rare, especially as you go
up the ranks of anything. You go

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up the ranks of money, you
go up the ranks of power, you

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go up the ranks of life,
and that's something. And obviously Luel's just

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a head of it because he's was
the guy in the NBA, But the

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whole team each has like a part
and you're all friends. And I just

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thought that was such a unique dude
dealing with. And I've met some other

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people that are very successful and athletes
and stuff, it just doesn't seem like

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their core is is tight, you
know what I mean. And it just

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seems so so freaking unique. And
obviously you do know because you've worked with

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other pro athletes as well and are
part of that community. But it's just

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so like, I don't know if
the world knows, because you don't think

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about that stuff. You're like you
just think, like, oh, Lebron

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James this, and you know Derek
Rose that and Stephan Curry this, but

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you don't know like the inner workings
of like actual relationships or how happy and

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fun people are. Like. That
whole group is just so unique. Yeah,

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it's really interesting. The mix of
coaches we have are some of his

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guys that he grew up with in
London playing basketball who are now scouts in

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the NBA. One of his brothers, a Joe seven foot, was a

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really good college player, good European
player. High school coach, UH coach

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Montagna who coached the junior U s
A team last year at the Nike Hoop

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Summit. Yeah, the the Jersey
high school, Blair Blair Academy, Blair

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Blair Academy. Because if they're basketball
folks out there, they'll know they've had

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like five NBA guys. Yeah,
Charlie Ville, Innueva, UH, Louall

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and then our head coach, Royal
Ivy was a went to school there with

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Lou playpoint guard the NBA and now
he's an assistant coach on the Houston Rockets

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and he's our head coach. That's
cool. That's a pretty good, well

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established coaching staff considering you're playing on
eagle dookie and a country that's never you

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know, made like international tournaments,
you know what I mean. Yeah,

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it's and the cool thing is nobody
gets paid. Yeah, everyone volunteers their

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time. Lou All volunteers his time. He doesn't take any sort of compensation.

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It's all the goal of promoting well
basketball, but specifically South Sadana.

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Yeah. I mean, if the
country can't afford an arena, how are

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they going to like pay? Y'all? And then sometimes when you're that small,

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you like have to bring the product
before the pay comes, right.

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So you guys make a couple of
Olympics, you make a little bit of

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noise, And I'm sure that's a
motivation at least for the younger cats on

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the team and maybe the younger coaching
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much, but you know that probably
has a very different mentality going into this

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thing. Yeah, some of the
earlier tournaments, Louell actually self funded the

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travel, the hotel because the government
was like, you know, eh,

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what is this basketball? Yeah?
Okay, job guys, you know,

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way to go kind of very patronizing
towards us. But you know, now

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making the World Cup, which we
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the World Cup in their first try. No one had ever done it.

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That tournament in Philippines. Yep,
it was in the Philippines, Japan,

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and oh my gosh, one other
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was the main location. But yeah, we qualified as a number one team

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in Africa. We were eleven and
one in qualification. And another random thing

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is we qualified in Alexandria, Egypt, which was the CID that Louell was

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a refugee in first and he had
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and qualified for the World Cup.
Damn, pretty cool. I can't imagine.

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brain documentary or at that with that

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brain. Yeah, Luell's life set
documentary. First, Oh, it's insane.

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story was so good, but the
movie was so corny. They did a

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mini movie on Yiannis on Disney.
I don't know if you saw that.

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No, I didn't watch it,
and it's just yeah, it's worth a

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watch, but like just how they
shoot it kind of feels Disney Channel esque.

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whole time I'm watching, I'm just
thinking about Lou, like, oh my

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god, his story has to be
so similar, but maybe crazier because it's

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like ten years prior, you know, and hopefully you'd imagine the world got

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a little bit less racist than ten
years. Who knows, but uh yeah,

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that seems to be on like a
wave. Yeah it was crazy,

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it was crazy, but uh yeah, I can't fucking imagine. And yeah,

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self funded, so you go to
you make worlds? Is World's a

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qualifier the World Cup? Or is
that totally separate than the Olympics because it's

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Feba. No, no, it's
it's a feeder to the Olympics. Yeah,

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so that is the qualifiers. You
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Olympics. Each like region of the
world gets a certain amount of automatic bids

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coming out of the World Cup.
So Africa, even there's fifty four countries,

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gets one automatic bid. Yeah,
just based on competitiveness of the past,

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I assume, I guess, I
don't know how they put probably something

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like that, Yeah, but we
get there's only one spot, so we

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finished the World Cup. Is the
number one team from Africa, which gave

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US the automatic bid for the Olympics. That's dope, dope, that's unheard

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of. Have you been to the
Olympics in person? I know you coached

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a couple yeah, who won medals, not only went to the Olympics,

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but won medals multiple times. I
don't know if I met her in person.

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I've talked to her a couple of
times. Just freak athlete to throw

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up. Yeah, like throw up
her training stuff. She's like box squad

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and four or five box jumping like
forty five inches. Just an absolute savage.

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I assume her backgrounds sprinting, which
most Bob starters are Illinois. Yeah,

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you don't really wake up. Just
Bob's ledding, like American Bob's letters.

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Like for three years, they just
recruited crossfitters. Yeah, Like I

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had like three homies trying to make
the Bob sed team that were just crossfitters

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because they're like strong and semi fast. But did you ever go to any

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of the games yourself? Because her
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Russia, And even at the time, I was like, eh,

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Sochi, Yeah, not quite the
destination. You know, you don't really

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want to take off work and travel
for that. So this will be my

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first Olympics to actually attend in person. That would be so sick in Paris.

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Can't complain. But you've probably been
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Paris? I've been a couple of
times, never for an extended period,

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just kind of like layovers. A
lot of flights. So West Africa go

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through Paris, so you might end
up there for a day or two.

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Yeah, I just know you're very
world traveled. But I tell you what,

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I do hate Paris because of the
last of protein and breakfasts. One

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time four England. What's that?
What do they eat? England's the bean

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breakfast? Right? Oh yeah for
their beans? Yeah. What's Paris,

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Scott? I guess croissant, Yeah, crossalts, begots and cigarettes. Yeah,

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I don't know, man, sounds
kind of nice. I walked around

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for like four hours trying to find
somewhere that would give me like a plethora

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of eggs. Yeah, like it's
like three omelets with about a pound of

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butter among them. Is about what
you what you get? I mean,

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it depends on where you are in
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on the left bank last year,
like it was almost impossible to find any

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different food, Like every restaurant had
essentially the same thing unless you went to,

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you know, one that was following
the cuisine of another country. It's

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crazy like and then you if you
go on the other side, there's more,

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there's a lot more stuff, but
then there's also a whole lot more

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tourists and waiting in line for food
is you know, never fun. But

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you have heard a lot of mixed
reviews from friends that went to Paris.

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A lot of people don't love it. I loved it, yeah, but

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just the food, Like I didn't. I thought we were going somewhat for

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the food, and we were kind
of not going for the food. Yeah,

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you just get champagne and of courseant
cigarettes, omelets, omelets, Yeah,

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cigarette A'lmless swimming and better, just
swimming and better. Yeah. I

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don't know. I don't know what's
what's going on personally, You're opening a

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gym, you do some online coaching, the uh, you know a lot

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of your life and career. Not
to speak for you, but was like

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a pro athlete, like you were
traveling with well you're living with them part

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time. And then obviously when he
retires you retired, like your your NBA

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travel one on one situation kind of
ended. You know you obviously you you

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consult, you work Barbara ba Gay
and you work with a bunch of different

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companies and help. But you have
your own companies. You have your own

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gym. Again, you wear many
many hats. What's like, top three

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leading focuses of Jacob's personal life.
Yeah, so really good point. Actually,

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and Mike, I'm surprised at how
closely studied you are on my life.

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Not that we're not clothes. It's
just, man, you gotta know

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you're my buddy. Do I gotta
watch. Yeah, I pay attention.

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I pay attention. I talk about
you all the time. Yeah, I

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talk about you all the time.
Yeah, I show that fucking Uh.

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I don't even know if you remember
it. But when we after the concert,

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the migos on the ship, Uh, the migos came to our VIP

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booth. Yeah, and uh,
everybody's in there, like the migos,

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Julio Jones, Like everyone's in our
little VIP booth. That was the one

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night we drank and we weren't like
ham or anything, but you like passed

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me a drink and I was like
I'm good man, like it's whatever,

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and he's like, dude, this
is like whatever, like five thousand dollars

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champagne, just take it. I'm
like, all right, I'll drink.

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So we're sitting there drinking and then
I get a air drop on my phone

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and it's a picture of like Luow, Julio, the Migos, these people,

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and then my fat face is like
stuck in the deep corner. So

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of course I saved the picture.
It's like me and amigos hanging out.

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But yeah, of course, buddy, I want to pay attention to I

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mean, if it wasn't for COVID
and then you know, you got busy,

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we got busy. Yeah, we
would have hung out more because pre

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COVID we saw each other at least
a couple of times a year. Yeah,

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but yeah, I'm dialed in.
I'm paying attention. The last time

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you were on the show, you
were trying to die too, or he

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had been trying to die, so
also true, it was that. Yeah,

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that was that was rough. But
I'm good, good on that front.

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Yeah that's good. Yeah. Yeah. So you got obviously kids and

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family, you got a bunch of
little ones running around the house, that's

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got to be a bunch of your
time. It is, it is,

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But you know, I kind of
followed Louell's footsteps in a way that when

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I finished or when he retired,
well, I almost died COVID hit.

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My youngest son was born in January
of twenty twenty, and then my dad

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passed in April of twenty twenty,
So that four months was just I mean

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life changing events. You know at
the max level could pop have. Yeah,

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you got to change your schedule,
you got to change your brain,

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you got to change how you like
see life. Yeah, a lot of

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times, honestly, like one of
those things would be life changing. They

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were all just smashed in there,
and I had some time to sit and

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think about what I really wanted to
do, and I decided that I wanted

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to help more with the Lewall's Foundation. I want to help more with giving

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back. And at the same time
we started Tom Collis and I started our

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online training, so I kind of
kept me connected in the training world,

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and I started helping with Lewis Foundation
in Sound, Sudan. Well, that

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led me to a nonprofit uh called
Matter that I had met in Minnesota and

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Lowell played there and I partnered Leuwill's
Foundation with them, and so now I

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actually work full time for Matter.
I still work on the wall stuff.

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I have our online training. Tom
and I are opening a gym and then

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I do the strength and conditioning for
the South Sudan national team. Damn.

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What's tell us a little bit more
about Matter, tell us a little bit

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more your role maybe in what they're
they're involved with. Yes, Matters really

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interesting when you think about film dropic
work or nonprofit work. What kind of

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boils into my head? Is this? You remember the Sarah McLaughlin commercials when

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we were growing up. She would
be stinging over the dogs that were like

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dying. Yeah yeah, I cry
every time like arms of an angel.

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Yeah right, she fucks you up. Yeah, I'll give you a nightmares,

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Like that's what I thought about.
And obviously losing its eye yeah right

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exactly. Yeah. And like working
with Luell like really changed what philanthropic work

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looked like for me because of his
efforts to help the southso needs to ask

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for him. But Matter kind of
took it a step further because their thing

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is sustainability, so they partner with
people and then they create sustainable projects.

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So just As example, one of
the things that I work on is something

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called the Victoria Falls Boxing Academy and
Children's Home. It's in Victoria Falls,

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Zimbabwe, and it's a boxing club
slash gym that also is a children's home,

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which is just the proper term for
orphanage. And we built it in

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such a way that we had a
woman who donated money to help build the

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facility. We had a guy who
was already taking care of about eight or

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nine orphans on his own, and
he was a boxing instructor and kind of

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a fitness guy. And we basically
build a new gym, a new home,

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and we wrote it up in such
a way that thirty percent of the

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business would go back into the children's
home to support kids. So we're trying

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to develop philanthropic projects where we can
create a sustainable impact in such a way

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that it helps the people we're trying
to help directly, and then also sustain

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the community around it, and also
do it in a way that we're not

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constantly fundraising and going back and saying
we need more, we need more,

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we need more. Can we do
it in such a way that elevates and

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uplifts that directly the people involved in
the community surrounding and so we get to

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do a lot of really cool projects
like that. We work in education,

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medical, space technology. I just
posted something yesterday about chia. I don't

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know if you guys saw that on
my instagrams. I did see that.

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Yeah, So chia is this like
really green, leafy vegetable that's one of

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the highest in the world in terms
of protein per serving, lots of micronutrients,

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all that good stuff, and it
grows really well in arid, dry

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climates, which is great for a
lot of Africa. So we started working

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with women's co ops to teach them
how to grow at and farm it.

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And then the more you pick it
and harvest it, the faster it grows,

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which is also awesome. And so
step one was too, can we

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just feed these women their families and
their communities right around them? And then

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step two is could we then buy
x shaya from these co ops so that

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they could earn money on top of
that, and then we could process it

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and then bring it back to the
States for use in protein powders or something

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like that. Because there's people always
be more organic, you know, vegan,

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et cetera. Ways of doing things
so like that's project we're working on

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right now. It's really hard sometimes
to describe in totality what we do because

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we work in partnerships. So like
if you guys were to come to me

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and say, hey, we have
this really good idea for whatever it is,

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and I was to say, okay, well we have some expert tease

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there, and we would meet about
it. If we could come up with

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a good synergy between us, then
we would say, yes, we're gonna

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do it. We don't just do
X, Y or z and then like

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you kind of get on the bus
or get off of it. It's kind

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of more so, where can we
meet together and create real sustainable impact?

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Yeah, I mean that it seems
so genius and it seems like a no

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brainer. But I've never heard of
like that. Yeah, I mean maybe

407
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:25.960
there are other nonprofits out there,
hopefully there are that do work similarly,

408
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:29.839
but yeah, just to be like
a resource hub and not have like a

409
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:33.839
niche per se. So it's based
in Minnesota, but it works worldwide crastly.

410
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:37.880
But yeah, I mean, how
how genius is that? Like you

411
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:40.680
know, give a man of fish, teach a man to fish. Yep,

412
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:45.400
Like yes, self sustaining cyclical can
continue, right, because you hear

413
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:48.839
about that all the time, and
I don't know, people might bash me

414
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:52.160
or whatever, but like you hear
about the Miami or Maui fires, and

415
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:55.240
people help, they send some money, but then like then what like life

416
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:57.559
continues, but that money does not
continue? All right, you got to

417
00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:00.720
you fed them for a week and
that's great, but like their house has

418
00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:03.839
still burnt, their insurance is still
hitting them up. There got loans everywhere,

419
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:07.680
you know they're getting they've got kids
whatever whatever. So to build any

420
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:12.000
project anywhere that is yeah, fully
has a life. I mean you're you're

421
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:17.400
giving life to You're starting businesses,
which is truly genius. You're starting a

422
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:21.920
bunch of mini seeds that will grow. That's dope. That's really really cool.

423
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:23.400
And maybe we will think of something
that we can use, y' all

424
00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:26.480
with who started it? Or like
who's the main people that you work with,

425
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:32.200
Like what's their maybe background or like
what's the real like what's the talent

426
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:34.119
that you work with? Does that
make sense? Are they like finance people

427
00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:37.880
that kind of like have networks or
are they like business people so they know

428
00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:45.160
how to like integrate stuff or a
mix of all of it. Our staff

429
00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:51.039
is about thirty people. We're pretty
small, and I would say that we

430
00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:56.039
really hire. When you look across
the board at the staff from an entrepreneurial

431
00:30:56.039 --> 00:31:00.440
mindset, it's a lot of entrepreneurs. That makes sense. Everyone who's there

432
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:07.680
has or has had some sort of
side business at some point. And the

433
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:12.039
other thing that we do that's really
unique is we're on track to be ninety

434
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:17.400
well we're currently ninety percent self sustainable
and by the end of the year we're

435
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:19.599
going to be one hundred percent self
sustainable, or we're on track to through

436
00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:25.720
social enterprise business for ourselves. I'd
say so basically, all the money that

437
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:30.160
is given two projects goes directly in
the projects, not into funding our overhead.

438
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:33.839
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because
that's always like a touchy subject with

439
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:36.519
people that don't understand, you know, like, oh, you work for

440
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:38.720
a non profit, but you get
paid like yeah, bitch, like I

441
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:42.480
gotta eat also, right, Like
some of that money has to go somewhere,

442
00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:47.640
and you need skilled people to run
these companies and to do this stuff,

443
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:52.200
and obviously some of them historically have
gotten blasted for how much someone might

444
00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:53.880
get paid for the duties they have. You know, Wounded Warriors comes to

445
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:56.200
mind. They had a big you
know, I guess scandal would be the

446
00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:00.119
word, like twenty fifteen, twenty
sixteen, where ce getting paid you know,

447
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:02.359
seven hundred k a year or something
like that. And so yeah,

448
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:07.759
there's places to take advantage, but
clearly nonprofits have to make money one for

449
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:10.160
what they do and two to feed
the people that are doing it. Yeah,

450
00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:15.039
most of them. Though the percentage
of that goes into the actual you

451
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:20.119
know, issue or problem they're trying
to solve is so much less than one

452
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:22.319
hundred percent. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, right, Yeah, resources are

453
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:24.519
hard though, it's a hard game. That's why, like you guys,

454
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:28.599
setting up basically a business and letting
it run and make money off what it

455
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:30.680
runs makes a lot more sense.
It really is like give a man of

456
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:34.759
fish, teach a man of fish, Like by definition, it's so good.

457
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:38.680
Yeah, and and so for us, we just kind of said that

458
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:45.319
if you end up developing this kind
of organization, it kind of turns into

459
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:52.559
a monster that then has to exist
to feed itself, right, Like that's

460
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:55.279
what happens to some of these really
large nonprofits. Your your overhead gets so

461
00:32:55.559 --> 00:33:01.119
large because of your staff that now
your fundraise purely to feed the people who

462
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:07.279
are doing the work, which then
ultimately becomes kind of what your mission is,

463
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:10.920
even though you're doing other good things. And I'm not here to judge

464
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:15.079
those people are say right or wrong, but just for us, we want

465
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:19.759
to do it differently because our thought
is, if we can be entrepreneurs ourselves,

466
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:22.960
if we can go teach other people
to be entrepreneurs, then why can't

467
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:27.599
we be entrepreneurial within this space as
well? Sure, And so our two

468
00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:34.000
meetings enterprise businesses are we do something
called Matter three sixty, which is medical

469
00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:37.319
supplies. So you know, being
in Minnesota, we're in kind of medical

470
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:42.519
alleys what they call it, with
Mayo Clinic and all that stuff, and

471
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:47.079
a lot of the hospitals will just
throw away tons, literally tons of medical

472
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:51.440
supplies every single year, just tons
of it. They just go to landfills.

473
00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:53.519
So we said, well we'll take
it, don't throw it away,

474
00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:58.359
And we have staff that goes through
the paletts. They just drop them off.

475
00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:00.599
They're not sorted or anything. It's
really just Mongou's palace just wrapped up.

476
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:04.279
They just drop them off at the
warehouse. We cut them off what

477
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:13.239
just like syringes and band aids.
It can be inundated anything like one time

478
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:17.480
we found an amputated arm. Oh
oh, well that it clearly expired.

479
00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:22.119
That was expired. Yeah, that
one goes right on eBay. Make a

480
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:29.039
couple of bucks. Find a freak
out there, freak cannibal. We've found

481
00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:35.320
the glass. Those are like ten
grands, I bet, like in the

482
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:40.480
package sealed up. Let's just getting
thrown away, you know, MRI machines,

483
00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:47.400
hospital beds, old sounds, uh, clamps, surgical tools, catheters,

484
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:51.920
I mean, take your pick,
anything and everything can show up in

485
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:57.280
there. Yeah. Yeah, So
so our staff sworts through it and some

486
00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:00.840
stuff can actually that's not expired,
can be resold to community hospitals. They

487
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:04.519
can't afford some of this stuff,
and so we're kind of like Goodwill for

488
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:08.639
medical supplies. Yeah. And then
a large majority of the stuff though,

489
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:13.599
we do give away. So we
either put it in containers to shif the

490
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:17.760
hospitals around the world to outfit them, or if there's different conflicts going on,

491
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:22.519
like what's going on in Ukraine right
now, we've shipped I think around

492
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:27.400
sixty or seventy tons of medical supplies
to Ukraine because it's stuff that we said,

493
00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:29.559
sorted through and said hey, we
can send it. So we just

494
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:31.800
put on a pallette, we get
to someone and then they get over there.

495
00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:37.360
Damn, wow, that's crazy.
That's smart. Yeah. So again

496
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:43.280
it's stuff that would have been thrown
away, and now not only are we

497
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:47.679
able to generate some revenue to support
ourselves on community, hospitals are buying it

498
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:52.159
or buying things that they couldn't normally
afford. And then we're giving things away

499
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:54.960
as well to places it wouldn't have
it. So everybody wins. Yeah,

500
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:59.079
that's dope. That's dope. Is
that a different staff or is that all

501
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:01.880
just run in house with your like
thirty folks, it's all within the same

502
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:07.480
self. Damn Yeah, you guys
are hustling. That's dope. I mean

503
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:09.719
if you are an entrepreneurial mind,
yeah, you probably love shit like that.

504
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:13.639
You know, it's like problem solving, it's like selling. It's like

505
00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:16.320
scavenging. You know, like Gary
Vee's a billionaire and that dude's still running

506
00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:20.360
the garage sales trying to sell a
fucking Obviously he's just doing an Instagram and

507
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:22.639
make a point, but it's true, like there's something, there's something in

508
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:24.519
me that like likes to find a
deal. Like me and Barb we're talking

509
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:27.559
about our basketball cards again. I'm
like, shit, man, I should

510
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:29.639
go sell these, i should go
slang these things. You know, there's

511
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:31.599
something you always want to find,
a gem. So it's kind of built

512
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:36.639
into the brain of an entrepreneur in
there. Absolutely. Well. And then

513
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:40.400
the other thing is, like you
were saying, like non for profit.

514
00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:46.400
The only there's been a for profit
business and a non for profit business is

515
00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:52.360
the goal at the end of the
day, both are businesses. The goal

516
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:55.559
of both is to take as much
money as possible. The difference between the

517
00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:59.679
two is if it's for profit,
you get to pocket the extra. If

518
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:02.719
it's not for profit, you give
away the extra. Yeah yeah, yeah

519
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:06.480
yeah. But to do a nonprofit, well you should be really good at

520
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:08.880
business. Yeah, you gotta make
money. Yeah, it doesn't mean it

521
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:13.880
sounds so bad or whatever. But
yeah, it doesn't mean that just because

522
00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:16.960
your nonprofit means that you should be
like bad at business and you know,

523
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:21.639
not good with money and not resourceful
and not all of those things. You

524
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:23.599
have to be all those things still, it's just at the end, goal

525
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:27.519
with that excess revenue is that you
use it to do good in the world.

526
00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:30.239
That's the basic difference for sure.
For sure, So that takes some

527
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:35.280
majority of your time you're coaching.
You just opened a gym. From the

528
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:39.039
outside again, just observing this seems
like very old school powerlifting, where it's

529
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:42.800
like, all right, we have
equipment, we got a bunch of buddies,

530
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:46.119
like, might as well start like
a clubhouse rather than like training separately

531
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:50.599
or training in a garage. How
did that story come about? And how

532
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:55.199
accurate am I? Man? You
are? I think? Yeah, I

533
00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:59.920
got the crystal ball. I hacked
Tom Kallis's phone. I see all the

534
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:01.840
weird shit that kid's into. Yeah, I see it all. We tagged

535
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:05.440
it the last time that we saw
you in person, and yeah, yeah,

536
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:08.039
I'm observing his life like a hawk, that little freak, climbing fucking

537
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:12.440
electric wires at night or in the
morning and squad eight hundred a night.

538
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:15.639
Oh my gosh, No, you're
you're one hundred percent right. So Tom

539
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:22.559
had a you know, home gym, which is a probably under selling it.

540
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:25.679
It was a four car garage with
a mono lift and fifteen piece of

541
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:31.599
equipment in there. I had a
home gym, and we've been looking for

542
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:37.079
a while for a smaller space where
we could kind of combine equipment and then

543
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:40.519
create a club. That's why we
call it a be Better Barbelle Club because

544
00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:44.079
it's not a gym, because we
did with that kind of community, smaller

545
00:38:44.119 --> 00:38:49.679
field, and Tom finally found a
spot that's seven minutes from my house,

546
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:52.639
one minute from his house. It
was like, you guys are eight minutes

547
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:58.480
from each other. Yeah, that's
crazy, it's awesome. Yeah, that's

548
00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:01.480
so funny. And that's by circum
that was before you knew each other ish

549
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:05.679
ish yes if yeah, because I
know your house is newer, but like

550
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:08.400
you were in the general facility before
you even knew each other. Yeah.

551
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:13.159
When I first met Tom, he
lived at that point, only about fifteen

552
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:15.119
minutes from it. That's so funny. So for those that don't know,

553
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:20.159
Tom Callis' is a OG powerlifter.
We've known him since he was maybe eighteen

554
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:23.400
something like that, maybe nineteen years
old. He competed in this building itself,

555
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:28.360
is where I met him. Yeah, at that time, I think

556
00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:31.000
he was a world record holder at
one sixty five or at least going for

557
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:36.440
it squatting in the sevens and we're
talking like probably twenty twelve, maybe even

558
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:40.360
twenty eleven. I ended up a
funny, funny kid, good dude,

559
00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:44.639
becoming friends with him. I coached
him for a couple of years along the

560
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:47.559
ride. But yeah, we've known
him already. Yeah, thirteen years or

561
00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:52.199
something something like that. Insane.
What is he thirty? He's thirty?

562
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:54.719
Yep, yeah, yeah, so
yeah, we probably met him when he

563
00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:58.400
was fucking eighteen, which is absolutely
insane. He was part of the Little

564
00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:00.679
Bridge Crew if that rings a bell, front of and listening, kind of

565
00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:05.639
lifted weights and yeah, northern Chicago, right, aren't you guys? Kind

566
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:08.840
of north Yeah, in northwest yep, yeah, in northwest Chicago. So

567
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:12.559
yeah, I mean Chicago's been a
hub for strength. Obviously, ed Cone

568
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:14.719
is one of the first names that
comes to mind, but then the Little

569
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:19.079
Bridges took it up, Tom Callus
and now all you guys are out there

570
00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:22.320
in the Manwest. That's so funny. Yeah, huck fins up in the

571
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:23.639
general area. I don't know what
that guy's doing. I don't, I

572
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:25.760
don't. I didn't hack his phone. I didn't want to see. I

573
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:28.719
don't even want to know. Yeah, I don't want to know. It's

574
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:32.159
like the dangerous feed that's not safe
for work. The roller blades, lighting

575
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:36.280
your hair on fire and a stripper
pole isn't quite what I need to see

576
00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:38.039
in my off time. You know, you're you're in Tom's Feed's a little

577
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:42.039
more uh yeah, a little more
fairly friendly, a little more yeah,

578
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:46.480
a little more innocent. Yeah.
So like I'm Disney Channel, Tom is

579
00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:52.519
FX and Huck is f XX.
Yeah yeah, yeah, he's HBO after

580
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:54.760
Midnight. Yeah, he's that freaky
ship. Yeah, he's that real freaky

581
00:40:54.760 --> 00:41:00.199
ship. Also a very nice gentleman
to be with, very funny, but

582
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:04.159
a little wild. Did you guys
see the two hundredth episode of the Let's

583
00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:08.199
Get Stupid Podcast? I might have
seen a clip. We did it live

584
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:16.039
inside of the Lamplighter Strip Club.
Oh I've heard of the Lamplighter. Yeah,

585
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:22.559
the legendary that's crazy plastic furniture used
to have dirt floors. Yeah,

586
00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:27.679
you might a strip club. It
is not that, it's not that,

587
00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:34.400
it's like it's like having a strip
club in a barn kind of. And

588
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:38.199
that's also northwest of Chicago. Ishu
yes, the birds. Yeah, just

589
00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:42.079
what I imagine that whole area is. I need a visit one day because

590
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:45.920
my brain is. You know,
it's running with ideas of where Tom Callus

591
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:47.840
and Huck Finn because you're not from
there, you know. So I'm not

592
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:52.480
judging you, buddy, you're from
Texas. But but I know, I

593
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:54.679
know Tom is from there, yes, and I don't even he told me

594
00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:59.199
the story one time of Huck Finn
how he met him. But I've heard

595
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:02.800
a lot of Insano stories from those
two. So it seems like there's real

596
00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:09.880
uh gems up in the north northwest
of Chicago. Characters. Characters, yeah,

597
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:13.880
yeah, yeah, hidden, that's
what that shall be remained, hidden

598
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:17.440
people up there them. No,
no, no, no, no,

599
00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:21.079
yeah. I don't need a dirt
floor strip club in my life. I

600
00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:22.920
would say that, you know,
like from the time that we met you,

601
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:27.239
if we were like choosing among the
people and the types of people in

602
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:30.280
the world that we would like pair
you with, you know, just like

603
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:35.639
put a little little house of cards
together, Tom Finn would not have been

604
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:37.400
on my list for you. So
yeah, Tom callis neither that. That

605
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:40.360
is probably not, but maybe a
little more, but yeah, yeah,

606
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:44.800
probably not. The predictive friendship I
saw you and Bart made some sense,

607
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:47.480
you know, me and you make
some sense. I understood where we can.

608
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:50.840
And look, I can't judge because
I'm friends with Tom too, you

609
00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:53.039
know, so I'm just as fucked. But uh yeah, there it is

610
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:57.480
odd pairings. There's odd pairings up
there in the Northwest. Well, us

611
00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:00.000
three, if we lived in the
same town, would be all best friends

612
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:04.519
because we're all very I agree.
Yeah, Tom's a good kid. He's

613
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:07.239
just got Yeah, he's just a
little wilder than you and I. I

614
00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:10.880
think, Yeah, he's got a
bunch of kids. He's old. Now

615
00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:15.920
to Tom Finn, I think is
older than all of us. Yes,

616
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:20.639
you're maybe a year older than me. And he has not changed. It

617
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:24.719
seems it seems like he is stuck
in his waist. He seems like there's

618
00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:28.800
a lot of yeah, Miller Lite
or whatever drink he drinks flowing. He

619
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:32.199
does not change morning, noon,
night, doesn't matter what year. Hug

620
00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:37.000
Fin is hug Fin. Yeah.
Yeah, that's wild. That's wild.

621
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:39.800
So when's the gym opening? So
it's a club. If people want to

622
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:43.920
get involved, might as well plug
it now while we're talking about it.

623
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:45.920
It's a club, But there's got
to be some way to get in.

624
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:49.960
You got to do a secret handshake
or something, a code yeah, secret,

625
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:52.480
we need to get that going.
No, I mean knock on the

626
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:57.920
door a certain amount of times.
Through our website, you know, you

627
00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:01.199
can go on my Instagram or be
better more of club or Tom's. You

628
00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:05.519
can sign up for monthly, yearly, day pass all that good stuff and

629
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:09.079
there's a code on the door.
You get email the code, So twenty

630
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:14.000
four to seven access. It's not
super big, but we do have a

631
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:17.840
mono lift. We have a couple
of power well power rack, combo rack,

632
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:24.960
all the dumbbells, reverse hyper I
think we have eighteen or nineteen different

633
00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:29.880
bars. Yeah, you're jamming now, I saw, I saw the videos.

634
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:31.519
I mean, club I think is
a good term just in the sense

635
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:36.960
that you have everything you need.
There's just not thirty of them, correct.

636
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:39.039
Yeah, but like who needs that
either? I mean we started kind

637
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:42.840
of off in that general idea too. You know we we're obviously in a

638
00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:47.440
slightly bigger facility just by default of
nostalgia we ended up here, but kind

639
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:51.280
of similar idea, like you want
everyone to know each other, you want

640
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:52.119
to say what's up, you want
to spot and load, you want to

641
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:55.800
you want to hang out, you
want to respect the space because you feel

642
00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:58.880
like it's part of yours, right, you know, no one is a

643
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:02.239
shit about a twenty four hour witness
or the people in there. Yeah,

644
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:06.679
so that's dope. That's dope.
What's the official openings coming? So this

645
00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:12.039
weekend we're doing our grand opening on
Sunday, sweet, and that's June ninth.

646
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:15.840
This might be retrospect. We'll be
in the past by the time this

647
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:19.039
comes out. Yeah, but that's
right. So then you're open. Congratulations,

648
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:23.039
you're open. We're in the future, all right. Forty five pound

649
00:45:23.119 --> 00:45:28.880
place do you think we had between
the two of us. I don't know,

650
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:31.360
because I feel like you guys collect
shit over time. Like logically,

651
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:36.199
if you guys were smart, you'd
each have like sixteen each right in your

652
00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:38.480
garage because you don't need much more
beyond that, Right, even Tom,

653
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:42.400
who's world record. You're a very
strong guy, but Tom's world class,

654
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:45.239
he wouldn't need a ton beyond that. Maybe he would need eighteen whatever,

655
00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:51.320
But you guys are both obsessed with
what you do, so you probably have

656
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:54.599
more like one hundred and fifty total
or something crazy. No, we had

657
00:45:54.679 --> 00:46:00.920
fifty four, okay, somewhere in
between. Yeah, yeah, which is

658
00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:04.639
I do all the math by like
five hundred. I take a five hundred

659
00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:08.599
pounds squat for like a good to
above average squat in this style gym,

660
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:13.000
and so you have you know,
ten people squating five hundred at the same

661
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:15.360
time if you need. Yeah,
that's kind of how I do the math.

662
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:17.360
That's how I do the math on
how many places to buy in this

663
00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:20.480
place. I was like, all
right, we got nine squat stations.

664
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:22.920
Hypothetically, if everyone needs to squat
five hundred at the same time, how

665
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:29.880
can we accommodate that? Yeah,
So what's the square footage there? Ooh,

666
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:34.559
sixteen fourteen hundred square feet something like
that. That's super big. That's

667
00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:37.679
not that small, that's not too
small. Yeah. Yeah, Actually,

668
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:39.559
it sort of reminds me. The
whole thing kind of reminds me of of

669
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:45.320
Masonomics gym, which is I think
they have I don't know, I think

670
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:47.719
I heard recently they had maybe you
know, ninety something members or whatever.

671
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:55.960
But a private facility club style should
buy lots and lots and lots and lots

672
00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:00.880
of bars. My first gym was
eight hundred, six hundred square foot and

673
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:06.960
I fit six people in there during
a session pretty decently. Yeah, so

674
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:09.920
you get to yeah, you get
above a thousand year jamming. Yeah you're

675
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:14.360
jamming just fine. That's exciting,
bro. And so it's on it's unmanned

676
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:17.440
obviously, right right, because there's
there's codes. So again on your entrepreneurial

677
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:21.320
brain, you can still travel the
world, end up in Paris, do

678
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:24.079
whatever. Tom's got a full time
job plus investments in business. You guys

679
00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:28.800
have kids, jamming smart, very
cool man, very excited for you.

680
00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:32.760
Yeah, we just want fifty sixty
members cap it at that, Like you

681
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:36.480
said, exactly what you see.
I said, everybody knows everybody. Everybody

682
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:37.880
feels like you're a part of it, like you have some ownership in it,

683
00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:42.000
and help each other out, you
know, get to know each other

684
00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:47.519
spot correct, you know, just
really build that community because I think all

685
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:52.119
of us got into this originally because
of community. Or maybe we got into

686
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:57.000
it to get stronger or look better
or both, but you stayed in it

687
00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:00.760
because of the community, I think
for sure, especially where we all come

688
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:04.760
from, Like training backgrounds were always
in gyms like that, you know,

689
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:07.960
and I think that is the key
to stay into anything and anyone. You

690
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:12.079
see. That's besides like the top
guys who are probably just wired different.

691
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:14.280
You know, you talk to a
Phil Heath or a Ronnie Coleman there,

692
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:16.880
they're probably just wired to be great
or like to prove something or to win.

693
00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:22.280
But you talk about anyone who's generally
fit, very strong, or even

694
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:25.760
semi strong, the chances are that
they train on their own, I think

695
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:29.840
goes way down. You know.
Again, you have the Dan Greens that

696
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:32.199
that broke record sitting in a garage, and that's definitely possible. I'm not

697
00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:37.119
saying it's not possible, but I
know I wouldn't be training if I didn't

698
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:38.159
have people around, you know,
if I was only in a garage gym

699
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:42.039
for the last twenty years, there's
just no way. It's just not fun.

700
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:47.280
There's no excitement. There's like not
a lot of reason to be committed,

701
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:50.559
you know, like sure I want
to be strong, and sure I

702
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:52.519
worry about my health, but to
put that in the forefront is so important.

703
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:55.280
So they had to have like a
space like you guys are creating,

704
00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:59.000
and even Tom, you know,
Tom came from like the Little Bridge crew.

705
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:01.000
They all squatted together Saturdays or whatever. You know. It kind of

706
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:06.960
builds the fun and camaraderie in an
individual sport, whether you're competitive or not.

707
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:07.880
You know, you just want to
get better than anything. It's kind

708
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:10.639
of there, so makes sense.
And I assume there's not a ton of

709
00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:16.239
gyms in your guys in general area, we're the only mono lift at least

710
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:22.480
in a forty five minute drive any
direction. Yeah, wow, Yeah,

711
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:25.639
I believe it. That's probably one
of the reasons that we don't have one,

712
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:29.760
because there are yeah, there's some
to the north, in the south

713
00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:31.719
of US there, you know,
there are some, and we just don't

714
00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:34.800
have that crew. We just do
not have. Yeah, the West,

715
00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:37.199
I mean, the monolift in general
is getting a little bit less popular on

716
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:40.719
the West coast. It's yeah,
not very popular at all. Well,

717
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:45.880
in this one Tom had built for
him during COVID. That's crazy. Wow.

718
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:49.920
Yeah, because he can't walk out
of squat because he's a pussy.

719
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:54.199
Yeah, I need one built too. Yeah, Full can't walk out of

720
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:58.760
squad. He has a custom Yeah, he has a full custom monolift built.

721
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:04.519
Full can't walk, can't walk with
five hundred pounds quite high too,

722
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:07.159
of course, yeah, way high. He's gotta use raps on his knees.

723
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:12.119
Squad normal don't walk into all these
tools. That's great, man,

724
00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:17.679
that's great. Chef can only cook
when there's perfect ingredients. Poor workman blames

725
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:22.719
his tools, right, Yeah,
yeah, yeah, that's true. That's

726
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:25.719
Tom. Yeah, can't bench worth
ship, can't deadlift for a ship,

727
00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:31.679
just a one trick pony and a
fucking monolith. Oh my god, it

728
00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:35.360
sucks to be him. You'll have
to share that with him when you see

729
00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:37.840
him. He got fat again too. He was jacks for a second.

730
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:39.559
I was proud of him. Now
he was all fat and gross. He'll

731
00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:43.559
be posted. I tried. I
tried to unhack the phone because every time

732
00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:45.159
I turn it on, I thought
Gimmly from fucking Lord of the Rings was

733
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:51.559
facetiming me. Just his big hairy
gut, his big Harry so gross,

734
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:54.440
he's so gross. He's jumping into
water in and out and his hair sticking

735
00:50:54.440 --> 00:51:01.159
to his body. Just fucking disgusting
Tom. Stop doing that, bro And

736
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:06.519
the threw up in my mouth thinking
about it all. The Manscape ads,

737
00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:09.000
Yeah, he needs another one.
He needs the bonus Manscape. He's Harry

738
00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:15.360
is ship in that cold punch.
Well, you know, fucking gross.

739
00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:20.639
We've broken Jacob. He's broke.
He knows how gross he is. The

740
00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:24.519
truth lies funny lies in the truth. Funny lies in the truth. Click

741
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:30.840
on Tom's fucking story and it's just
this hairy, wet ass so gross.

742
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:35.519
I'm gonna go right now on Instagram. But if there's something of him wet

743
00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:39.480
and Harry watch, it's gonna be
there. There's zero chances there's not something

744
00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:43.239
of him. No, he's only
got he's only got one story that doesn't

745
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:50.079
count. They reset reset Bell.
Yeah, yeah, he looks like a

746
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:58.320
Yeah, he's like a pigmy version
of fucking Dan Bell. Yeah, they

747
00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:00.679
really. He shaved in this one, and he looks good. Here.

748
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:02.440
I'll put it on camera so so
that people know I'm not hating him.

749
00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:08.559
He looks good. There you go, he's doing good. There, he's

750
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:10.960
doing good. There. That was
probably a while ago. It was April.

751
00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:21.920
I don't know. Well, you've
gotten uh, pretty lean yourself there,

752
00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:25.280
my friend. Yeah, bodybuilding show
was on the horizon. Yeah,

753
00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:30.400
so I was gonna do my first
body but well, first my own show

754
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:35.320
in a very very long time.
I did one eleven years ago. Sorry,

755
00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:43.199
I gotta wipe my tears from crying, and I ended up pulling out

756
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:45.760
because I had to travel some towards
the last month of prep and it's like,

757
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:51.199
man, you can't. I don't
care how disciplined you are, it's

758
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:57.000
really hard to hit your nutrition sodium
Jim, like you were saying about the

759
00:52:57.000 --> 00:52:59.800
butter earlier, you know, like
controlling that stuff. When you're traveling.

760
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:05.199
You can eat healthy and all that, but that little minuscule level. If

761
00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:07.239
anybody's ever been that lean, it
makes a difference, especially that last four

762
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:12.840
to six weeks in prep. But
I'm in the best shape I've been in

763
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:16.360
a very long time, and I
would still like to compete at some point,

764
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:21.199
but it'll have to be after the
Olympics, and when I'm after that,

765
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:23.440
I'll go back to Africa in October, and then when I come back

766
00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:27.719
from that, maybe I can prep
through the winter or something like that.

767
00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:30.599
We'll see, because it is fun. I mean, I love powerlifting.

768
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:37.679
I squatted seven hundred last year in
Tom's garage on a mono in wraps,

769
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:39.280
probably high. How you cheated too, Yeah, dude, he got your

770
00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:43.039
hot me. You used to be
a legit lifter, used to be so

771
00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:45.519
legit. Now you're hanging out with
that gun. I'll hang it out that

772
00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:51.480
bastard. Yeah, Wrapping fucking king
sized bed sheets on your knees just to

773
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:57.960
just to put a plate on the
bar. But you know, when I

774
00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:05.679
squatted that, I realize how far
I was for eight hundred. I hurt

775
00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:08.400
for probably two weeks, not an
injured way, just muscles that you don't

776
00:54:08.440 --> 00:54:13.800
feel unless you try something like that. Yeah, pains, just general pains,

777
00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:17.559
right. And also, you guys
know, I hurt my peg probably

778
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:22.840
five or six years ago, and
so I don't really bench anymore. I

779
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:25.920
do dumbbells and flies and crossovers and
dips, but I just don't flat bench.

780
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:30.400
So it's like powerlifting for me.
I just don't see it in the

781
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:35.119
cards. But I still want to
pursue something. And the idea of being

782
00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:38.599
leaner and strong and big is kind
of probably always a good idea, right,

783
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:43.639
So something to keep me going.
Yeah, theory, I mean when

784
00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:47.239
everyone got into lifting probably influenced my
bodybuilding and sums oh yeah, you know,

785
00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:51.920
like, yeah, I lifted very
first to play basketball and shit.

786
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:54.719
But like the first stuff you're watching
is Arnold and Ronnie, and you know,

787
00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:58.679
it's kind of always in the back
of most people, at least our

788
00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:02.719
generation's mine. Maybe newer kids because
powerlifting's cool now, maybe they directly,

789
00:55:04.039 --> 00:55:07.519
you know, the door directly led
them powerlifting. But I feel like if

790
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:13.880
you're born pre probably even pre two
thousand, you got some kind of influence

791
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:17.400
to get jacked rather than just squat. You know, like even Tom Tom

792
00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:20.679
got jacked and want to get abs, and you know, there's something in

793
00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:23.119
the back of our brains that you
want to look as good as you lift

794
00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:28.239
right somewhere, Yeah, somewhere,
especially the raw, the raw part that

795
00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:30.719
we all kind of grew up on. Yeah, makes more sense. What's

796
00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:35.760
the Olympic schedule? Look like?
I assume you guys got to go early.

797
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:39.199
It starts July twenty sixth or something. But I assume you got some

798
00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:43.519
kind of training camp or things leading
up to it. Yeah, do you

799
00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:45.480
have notes or something? God,
dog you are I don't know, man,

800
00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:47.719
I just I'm on Twitter a lot. You know, you start reading

801
00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:51.679
shit, tend to be smart.
Are just pulling? Yeah, surface level

802
00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:54.760
and it's surface level intelligence. I
don't know. You're you're this fifty percent

803
00:55:54.840 --> 00:56:00.639
about one hundred percent today? Yeah, Yeah, we're ba good. No,

804
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:02.920
we leave at the end of the
month for training camp. We're gonna

805
00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:09.039
do it in Rwanda. The president
there is a huge basketball fan. He

806
00:56:09.400 --> 00:56:15.480
loves Lowell. The Basketball Africa League
Final just happened. It's it's in Rwanda.

807
00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:19.400
They have a really nice stadium.
That's awesome. So we'll do we'll

808
00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:22.960
do training camp there. Then we're
gonna go play two friendlies in Ivory Coast

809
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:27.639
and then we'll go to warm up
gas YEP, a couple of warm up

810
00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:30.960
games, and then we'll go London
to play the US and a warm up

811
00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:34.400
game, and then we'll take a
train to France, which I'm excited about.

812
00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:37.559
I've always went to. I don't
know why. That's a fun ride.

813
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:43.840
Yeah, you can hardly even tell
you know that you're going as fast

814
00:56:43.880 --> 00:56:46.079
as you're going. It's like nearly
two hundred miles an hour. Oh wow,

815
00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:51.880
under the water, wow, carry
the water. Yeah, it's a

816
00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:54.960
whole thing. Yeah, I'm excited. Little signs tell you how fast you're

817
00:56:55.000 --> 00:57:00.800
going, and it's amazing. And
then the Olympics some so or what probably

818
00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:04.599
two or three weeks depending on it's
almost like a guaranteed what two weeks with

819
00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:07.519
group play and then who knows.
Yeah, you play, you play three

820
00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:10.320
games. There's four teams to a
group, and there's three days in between

821
00:57:10.360 --> 00:57:14.920
games. Well, two rest days, so you play every third day.

822
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:17.719
Yeah, do you know the group
you got USA? Yes, tough draw.

823
00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:22.159
Who else you got, especially with
the whatever team they're calling it now,

824
00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:25.840
but the we're pissed from losing team
right again? Right, Yeah,

825
00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:29.880
it's not good. It's not good
when you got lebron and whoever else wants

826
00:57:29.960 --> 00:57:34.199
to play. Well, it's it's
supposedly the last run of this generation lebron

827
00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:39.639
kd But steph, all those guys, there's even I think yep, why

828
00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:43.719
even Yeah, Yeah, we're stacked. We're stacked. If we don't win

829
00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:45.480
a gold medal, I'll be I'll
buzz my head mould. Yeah, like

830
00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:49.840
it's gonna be. It's gonna be
a rough, Like it's a rough for

831
00:57:49.960 --> 00:57:52.519
the world. When when our best
get a little angry, Well, the

832
00:57:52.639 --> 00:58:00.679
problem is the other team in our
group is Serbia. Okay, So earlier

833
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:04.360
you were talking about the best players
in the NBA being international for the most

834
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:08.480
part. Yeah, let's see the
MVP. What four last four years has

835
00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:14.599
been international? Yeah? What I
said? Yeah, you named the top

836
00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:19.920
five. You could easily go Mbi
Jokic, Jannis Luca and then even like,

837
00:58:20.039 --> 00:58:22.679
if you want to make an argument, like Shai or someone I know

838
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:24.400
he's Canadian and people don't it.
But like you could easily make an argument

839
00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:29.360
we have absolute international freaks in the
NBA. They really are taking over.

840
00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:30.840
Where in the past there would be
like good players, you know, there'd

841
00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:35.159
be like a Vladie d Vok who's
very good. He's not the top ten

842
00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:37.719
conversation, Hakeem would probably be.
Yeah, the other best argument for top

843
00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:43.280
five at a time, but hard
Matumbo or something who's probably a top ten

844
00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:45.880
you know, another African legend,
both of them, him and Hakem.

845
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:53.880
But it's rare that you got the
density of international talent who's on actual Slovenia

846
00:58:54.000 --> 00:59:00.639
is that? Is that Joe Kitchen
is Okay? So that's a problem because

847
00:59:01.039 --> 00:59:05.639
in the world, Yeah, it
is. We played Serbia, they were

848
00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:09.880
in our group and I saw the
best basketball I've ever seen in my life

849
00:59:10.920 --> 00:59:15.679
when we played Serbia. Yeah,
you know, before the games you exchange

850
00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:17.960
like these gifts like soccer that you
know, you go give each other stuff,

851
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:23.639
and they gave us a pin that
said one hundred years of Serbian basketball.

852
00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:30.880
Yeah, holy shit. Yeah,
you know, best argument for soccer,

853
00:59:30.920 --> 00:59:32.320
Like people don't talk about it,
but like So in the US,

854
00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:36.079
you grow up playing whatever sport you
do, and you're ripped up into your

855
00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:40.360
AAU teams yep, and then maybe
maybe and a senior year in high school

856
00:59:40.360 --> 00:59:45.199
you'll get on an under eighteen USA
national team. But the chances you even

857
00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:49.320
advanced from there to the NBA whatever
is low, like not everyone, because

858
00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:52.400
it's like recruiting, like you're scouting. You don't know that that kid's gonna

859
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:54.079
be the best, but he's the
best right now. So he makes that

860
00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:57.840
team and you play together for like
one tournament, but then you go back

861
00:59:57.840 --> 01:00:00.000
to your high school teams and your
AAU teams. You grew up in a

862
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:05.079
different country playing soccer or basketball,
and your national team is it like you're

863
01:00:05.079 --> 01:00:08.039
already You're already the chosen one.
So Messi's played with these cats from Argentina

864
01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:13.159
for twenty five years. Joe Kitsch
has probably played with these guys literally since

865
01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:16.480
he was twelve years old, like
they're probably his best friends. Sudan might

866
01:00:16.480 --> 01:00:20.320
be similar now for you guys,
like they at least probably grew up Yeah

867
01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:23.199
two separated, Yeah yeah, no, eleven of our twelve players are refugees.

868
01:00:24.159 --> 01:00:28.239
Yeah, just too separated. Yeah, just because it's a different country,

869
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:31.559
but you go to Europe and in
South Latin America and probably Asia and

870
01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:35.719
they just grow up in these systems
and so they're either hate each other or

871
01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:39.239
love each other. But they've played
together for decades. It's such an established

872
01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:42.800
group, and that's what people have
always talked about, like when Pasia and

873
01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:46.079
then were in the Olympics Spain and
the Gasol Brothers, even the UK team

874
01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:49.760
a little bit with Ben Gordon and
Luel and them, like they had a

875
01:00:49.760 --> 01:00:53.440
squad that at least knew each other, well did Ben Ben? And Ben

876
01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:58.159
was UK right? Yeah? And
Chicago, Yeah, that's crazy because they're

877
01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:00.360
on the bulls together too, But
at least you have like some friendship in

878
01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:05.559
the background, you know, where
the US builds it when you're a pro

879
01:01:05.960 --> 01:01:08.639
like you. Sure, Lebron and
Steph are friends now, but the chemistry

880
01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:14.960
is just so different. And that's
exactly why we got our ass whooped,

881
01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:22.679
because it doesn't matter what we did, they adjusted instantly to us and it

882
01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:29.360
was so in sync and so unified. It was like a fucking alien hive.

883
01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:35.440
Mind is incredible. And Yokis didn't
even play because of the They just

884
01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:38.480
won the Championship. Oh yeah,
so he's just chilling, so he didn't

885
01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:43.480
come. But they still got second
at the World Cup, they beat the

886
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:47.920
US. So now you add yolks
into that team for the Olympics and they're

887
01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:52.719
in our group with the US.
The groups are random, right, the

888
01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:58.679
groups are a lottery allegedly. Yeah, yeah, you guys got the fucked

889
01:01:58.760 --> 01:02:00.280
Yeah, you guys got apps life. Yeah. Probably the two best teams

890
01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:04.119
of the nation right now that I
can think of. Well, having said

891
01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:07.880
all of that, then what does
success look like for South Sudan in the

892
01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:12.719
Olympics. Yeah, it's a great
question, and I don't want to take

893
01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:16.000
the easy way out, but it
is true. South Sudan has never been

894
01:02:16.039 --> 01:02:20.760
represented as a team level in the
Olympics. They've never sent a team in

895
01:02:20.800 --> 01:02:25.320
any sport. So the country,
it's this has been a really unifying thing

896
01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:30.760
for US to be unranked to number
one team in Africa, World Cup,

897
01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:37.159
Olympic qualifying. When the team flew
back, they had a parade and I'm

898
01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:42.039
talking thousands of people. They closed
the airport, they let thousands of people

899
01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:45.599
on the tarmac to cheer on the
players as they came off the plane.

900
01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:49.639
I mean, it is Disney movie
level s stuff super cool. Yeah,

901
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:52.199
wow, and so yeah, I
mean yeah, it's your first time.

902
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:57.599
I mean it's your first You're in
uncharted territory, yes, and right,

903
01:02:58.400 --> 01:03:05.800
and not only that, we're uncharted
basketball territory, uncharted African territory, Sasudan's

904
01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:08.519
youngest country in the world. There's
so many things if you stack them up,

905
01:03:08.559 --> 01:03:14.039
we shouldn't be there and we are. And the country is so proud

906
01:03:14.559 --> 01:03:17.000
to be represented and to be represented
well. And there's there's you know,

907
01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:21.960
if you know you're Sa Sudan history. Some of the civil war came out

908
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:24.639
of tribalism, different tribes fighting for
control, and we have people from all

909
01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:28.559
sorts of tribes on the team.
It doesn't matter. We have refugees,

910
01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:31.480
they're all refugees from all over the
world, doesn't matter. You know,

911
01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:37.920
when we play, you have fans
in Australia, South Sudan, Europe,

912
01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:44.039
America, they're all watching. We
have the most viewed social media of any

913
01:03:44.039 --> 01:03:47.840
FEBA team, simply because there's so
many people spread out everywhere. Yeah,

914
01:03:47.880 --> 01:04:00.079
that's no. And South Sudan is
western, no eastern Eastern Africa. It

915
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:10.079
is to the north, Yep Ethiopia
is to the east and Uganda is to

916
01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:14.519
the south. Right, Yeah,
yep, okay, yeah, what's the

917
01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:17.639
average age of the roster. It's
got to be like under twenty five.

918
01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:21.280
Yeah, I don't know the exact
number, but for sure under twenty five.

919
01:04:23.119 --> 01:04:25.840
Yeah, because like I've seen you
play, and I've I've seen other

920
01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:28.920
kids on your roster that you've worked
with for years, because you guys have

921
01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:31.239
been doing stuff there. You'll post
them you know, some in the G

922
01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:34.960
League even or college or whatever,
and so like I assume you and Lou

923
01:04:35.159 --> 01:04:39.920
have known these guys for a while, which is a cool part of the

924
01:04:39.920 --> 01:04:43.039
process too, because you guys,
you're not brand new. Yeah, you're

925
01:04:43.079 --> 01:04:45.880
not just showed up and oh let's
go to the Olympics or something. You've

926
01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:49.000
been a part of their growth as
basketball players. But for them to be

927
01:04:49.119 --> 01:04:51.400
so young and kind of lead that
way, I mean, that's how it

928
01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:54.920
all starts, right, Because then
there's there's an eight year old kid in

929
01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:58.239
South Sudan right now that's going to
watch the Olympics for the first time in

930
01:04:58.280 --> 01:05:01.360
his memory and just be so stoked
that there's basketball there. You know that

931
01:05:01.360 --> 01:05:04.840
there's there's some someone that looks like
him, that that's from where he's from,

932
01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:10.199
that knows these tribal histories and no, maybe he knows their cousin or

933
01:05:10.199 --> 01:05:13.719
some shit. And now they're on
TV playing against Lebron James. I mean,

934
01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:15.159
that kid's gonna go pick up a
basketball. There's just no way he

935
01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:18.519
doesn't, you know. And like
that's how it started everywhere. And that's

936
01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:21.920
like the cool unifying thing about sports. It's easy to say, like,

937
01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:26.239
oh man, like they're just dribbling
balls and making billions of dollars, but

938
01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:32.199
like the cultural individual impact that a
sport can make on a kid is so

939
01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:35.519
insane, you know, Like he'll
want to make friends, he'll want to

940
01:05:35.559 --> 01:05:39.599
be part of a team, he'll
want to be something, which is the

941
01:05:39.599 --> 01:05:42.599
big difference between individual sport and a
team sport. You know, I think

942
01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:47.280
a team sport can take you so
far in terms of your skills in life,

943
01:05:47.719 --> 01:05:50.440
right, whether it be business,
you're working on a team, whether

944
01:05:50.519 --> 01:05:56.480
it be how we talk about training, You got to work as a team.

945
01:05:56.840 --> 01:05:59.199
And just like that, the happiness
that comes along with that will be

946
01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:02.920
super to see the next ten or
twenty years. What Sudanese basketball may or

947
01:06:02.920 --> 01:06:10.039
may not look like So here's maybe
the most important question. Obviously, this

948
01:06:10.039 --> 01:06:14.280
this story makes us think a little
bit about did Jamake and Bob's led team?

949
01:06:14.599 --> 01:06:17.000
Yeah, cool Runnings which led to
Cool Runnings. Yeah. So my

950
01:06:17.119 --> 01:06:21.679
important question to you is who would
you like to play you in the Disney

951
01:06:21.719 --> 01:06:27.639
movie version of the South Sudanese.
It's got to be a movie in like

952
01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:31.119
ten years. Within the ten years, it's got to be Disney plus you,

953
01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:34.039
is it? John Candy? John
Candy? Yeah, yeah, John

954
01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:38.719
Candy. Have you seen cool Running
sub us? I have Cool Running?

955
01:06:38.800 --> 01:06:41.679
Is good? Bro? John Mager, we got that Bob sled team.

956
01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:45.760
Yeah, it's so good. Yeah, so good. So we've actually had

957
01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:53.639
a couple of camera people filming for
the last three years, and we're talking

958
01:06:53.679 --> 01:06:59.639
to a couple of production companies about
making an actual documentary like a third for

959
01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:03.719
thirty. Soyle, I don't know
where all that's at right now, but

960
01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:06.960
I do know that like Brad Pitt
has a company that kind of invests in

961
01:07:08.039 --> 01:07:14.119
African stories, and he was interested, and I think Netflix they're always interested

962
01:07:14.119 --> 01:07:18.559
in very sports oriented Right now at
Netflix, this is a good time to

963
01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:23.639
sell at sports property Netflix, and
obviously your team and network with Luau and

964
01:07:24.119 --> 01:07:28.239
his managers and should are so tapped
in they can get a hold of people

965
01:07:28.880 --> 01:07:32.800
well. And the story is so
compelling because again you interview these players individually,

966
01:07:34.119 --> 01:07:38.239
they'll say, you know, I
grew up in a kartoon, in

967
01:07:38.280 --> 01:07:40.800
a refugee camp. I grew up
in Lebanon, in a refugee camp.

968
01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:43.360
I grew up in here. My
father was killed in the war and my

969
01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:47.960
mother was killed in the war.
It's nobody has a linear path to this

970
01:07:48.039 --> 01:07:56.480
place. Everyone's path is just so
fucked up compared to what we traditionally,

971
01:07:56.519 --> 01:08:01.719
like quote unquote Americans deal with.
And again it's not to compare issues or

972
01:08:01.719 --> 01:08:06.639
problems or misery. There's plenty of
shit in the world for everybody. It's

973
01:08:06.719 --> 01:08:12.039
just what you normally see for this
level of an athlete. We don't really

974
01:08:12.119 --> 01:08:17.000
have those stories. And it's really
interesting. And even in Egypt when we

975
01:08:17.079 --> 01:08:21.119
qualified for the World Cup, there's
still a lot of South Sudanese refugees who

976
01:08:21.119 --> 01:08:25.720
live there. A lot of refugees
fled there during the war, including Luol

977
01:08:26.359 --> 01:08:29.359
because you could actually walk there,
I mean wasn't close, but you could

978
01:08:29.359 --> 01:08:33.079
walk there. So when we played
in Egypt, we had two or three

979
01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:38.279
thousand fans show up to the stadium
to watch us play. Well, Egypt

980
01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:44.680
had not qualified yet, and they
said we're not allowing any South Sudanese fans

981
01:08:45.159 --> 01:08:53.039
in the stadium. They're security risks. The history of racism there as well

982
01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:58.079
between Egyptians and South Sudanese, and
it's a whole another thing. So we

983
01:08:58.159 --> 01:09:01.720
had two or three thousand fans outside
of the stadium. They brought police and

984
01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:05.319
riot gear. Nobody was riding,
nobody was anything like that. But I'm

985
01:09:05.319 --> 01:09:11.039
talking those shields, all that shit
water cannons. This is for a basketball

986
01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:15.600
game. It's insane. And when
we left this because the tension, there's

987
01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:19.039
no like tension with the rival team
or something. No, we weren't even

988
01:09:19.079 --> 01:09:21.800
play that night. Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. If we

989
01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:25.319
were playing Egypt, like all,
I could start to see something, you

990
01:09:25.359 --> 01:09:28.399
know, but yeah, nothing,
Yeah, we weren't even playing them.

991
01:09:29.199 --> 01:09:32.720
And when like when we left,
it was like we were on the bus

992
01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:36.720
and literally like the right police like
pushing the people apart, and they were

993
01:09:36.760 --> 01:09:42.439
just trying to cheer. They weren't
trying to do anything but cheer. Well,

994
01:09:42.479 --> 01:09:46.079
Egypt played after us, and they
were playing Tunisia, who's another really

995
01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:50.279
good team, and Arrival because those
countries are close to each other. And

996
01:09:50.359 --> 01:09:55.640
at halftime the game was tied.
So guess who got in the stadium for

997
01:09:55.720 --> 01:10:02.039
second half Egypt? Oh yeah,
yeah, Wall The whole stadium was empty

998
01:10:02.039 --> 01:10:04.560
when you guys played then, or
they let in some egypt people. No,

999
01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:10.479
no, no, empty, Yeah
no, wow, that's weird.

1000
01:10:11.000 --> 01:10:13.680
Were you there for this? Oh
yeah, yeaheah, I was on the

1001
01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:16.600
bus all that stuff. That's crazy. So we have footage of all that,

1002
01:10:16.760 --> 01:10:21.079
which is crazy. But the other
thing is because there is this history

1003
01:10:21.079 --> 01:10:26.199
of racism between Egyptians and South Suitees, and again I'm not saying for everybody,

1004
01:10:26.199 --> 01:10:30.039
but there is a lot of a
lot of incidences of it. We

1005
01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:35.479
did play Egypt and we beat them
by twenty four twenty five. Yeah,

1006
01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:41.000
and we had some kids who messaged
us on Instagram and said, for the

1007
01:10:41.039 --> 01:10:44.199
first time in my life, he's
like eight nine year old kids. I

1008
01:10:44.279 --> 01:10:47.399
walked to school head held high because
the Egyptians couldn't talk shit to me because

1009
01:10:47.439 --> 01:10:50.680
I can say we're better than you
and something. Oh jeez, yeah,

1010
01:10:50.840 --> 01:10:54.279
zir Price, I mean, they're
left out on everything. They look a

1011
01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:58.880
little different. They're from somewhere different. Yep. So I'm just saying it's

1012
01:10:58.880 --> 01:11:01.159
bigger. So I'm going to make
a couple, don't say, Jim,

1013
01:11:01.199 --> 01:11:05.039
just real quick to answer your question, I would say, like us being

1014
01:11:05.119 --> 01:11:11.000
there is the success. I think
this is more of the reward phase of

1015
01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:14.000
it, if that makes sense,
like trying to enjoy the process, enjoy

1016
01:11:14.039 --> 01:11:16.439
being at the Olympics, enjoy represent
the country. And of course we want

1017
01:11:16.439 --> 01:11:19.760
to play well. Of course we
want to play well. But if we

1018
01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:24.039
win, you know, against the
US or Serbia, it's gonna be a

1019
01:11:24.039 --> 01:11:28.359
Disney movie and of itself. Okay, it's just the I mean we should

1020
01:11:28.359 --> 01:11:31.279
what's the Yeah, what's the third
team? We don't know yet. They

1021
01:11:31.359 --> 01:11:34.680
have one more qualifier from those,
Yeah, two or three random spots.

1022
01:11:35.640 --> 01:11:38.720
Yeah. Yeah, it's like a
play in kind of deal. Yep.

1023
01:11:39.159 --> 01:11:41.640
Interesting. Yeah, maybe you get
a little win or something. But again,

1024
01:11:41.680 --> 01:11:43.760
if the team's average age, and
again I know you don't know,

1025
01:11:43.800 --> 01:11:46.800
but they're they're college ish kids.
You're like just finishing college ish kids.

1026
01:11:47.920 --> 01:11:51.439
They got another Olympics in them,
right, they'll be twenty nine the average

1027
01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:55.159
age. Then we'll be twenty nine, which you know in basketball seems to

1028
01:11:55.159 --> 01:11:59.640
be prime. Obviously there's Anthony Edwards
and freaks out there, but generally speaking,

1029
01:11:59.680 --> 01:12:01.600
you're like twenties. You got the
wisdom and athleticism. They got another

1030
01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:04.920
run at the Olympics, you know, So to have some fun gain experience

1031
01:12:04.960 --> 01:12:11.399
here seems like the right mindset to
take. I have some nominations for who

1032
01:12:11.399 --> 01:12:15.199
could play you in the Disney movie
you Know Who I Got? Who You

1033
01:12:15.239 --> 01:12:18.640
Got? I Got. He's a
little short, but based on looks,

1034
01:12:18.640 --> 01:12:23.079
I think, and I think he
could turn his charm up, because Jacob's

1035
01:12:23.159 --> 01:12:26.319
very positive and very charming, and
this guy isn't known for that. Maybe

1036
01:12:26.359 --> 01:12:30.119
like a Tom Hardy. Oh he's
Tom Hardy's a little too old, though,

1037
01:12:30.119 --> 01:12:31.840
I think, Oh what is Tom
Hardy? He's probably forty. He

1038
01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:35.560
probably just looks older. Jacob looks
young. Jacob's older than me. Yeah,

1039
01:12:36.159 --> 01:12:40.960
thirty six, thirty seven, Yeah, yeah, Okay, here are

1040
01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:44.960
my nominations. If I liked him, I would say Miles Teller, but

1041
01:12:45.039 --> 01:12:47.800
I don't. But yeah, Teller's
all right, But yeah, that that's

1042
01:12:47.840 --> 01:12:53.359
one that could work. He can
be cheery. Yeah, THEO James,

1043
01:12:53.680 --> 01:12:56.039
I don't even know if I know
who that is. THEO James. He

1044
01:12:56.079 --> 01:12:59.159
was in Okay, he was into
the Divergent movies. He was just old.

1045
01:12:59.319 --> 01:13:05.279
Yeah, okay, he's good.
J Courtney also in those movies.

1046
01:13:05.840 --> 01:13:11.520
And I think that, like his
career trajectory would probably work because you're not

1047
01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:14.479
going to be a major character in
this story unless they just make it about

1048
01:13:14.520 --> 01:13:18.560
you because you're the white guy.
But you know, uh, not a

1049
01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:25.600
bad choice. I think that like
the reach would be maybe Glenn Powell.

1050
01:13:27.359 --> 01:13:32.479
Hold on, I'm looking it up. Okay, all right, yeah,

1051
01:13:32.800 --> 01:13:38.159
who's playing lou Is Lou? Gotta
play Lou? I don't know we could

1052
01:13:38.159 --> 01:13:42.359
play lou Yeah, I don't either. There's not a lot of six nineties

1053
01:13:42.399 --> 01:13:45.159
stomping around. All right, here's
the dark horse. Are you ready for

1054
01:13:45.199 --> 01:13:53.680
me? Yeah? Alan Richson,
Oh wow, he's a little bit,

1055
01:13:53.800 --> 01:13:58.960
a little bit bigger than you,
just a little bit came pounds. Can

1056
01:14:00.760 --> 01:14:03.800
I think he's your your same height
though. I think he's six three right,

1057
01:14:03.920 --> 01:14:06.640
yeah, six ye or six four? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah,

1058
01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:10.800
oh he could do it. Yeah, he's that's a big gentleman. Yeah,

1059
01:14:10.840 --> 01:14:15.359
he's big, big dude. Like
yeah, I mean, Hollywood always

1060
01:14:15.399 --> 01:14:18.840
takes everything up a notch, and
you know, he's that much bigger than

1061
01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:25.000
you and I'll take perfect. Yeah, he's got all the trt in the

1062
01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:29.600
world behind him and you know,
yeah, up, what made that?

1063
01:14:29.800 --> 01:14:31.800
What made that dude famous? I
know he's in Fast and Furious. Uh,

1064
01:14:32.399 --> 01:14:35.239
he's been in a bunch of things, but but Reacher is the thing

1065
01:14:35.279 --> 01:14:38.680
that really made him famous. But
he's been in he's been around for a

1066
01:14:38.680 --> 01:14:41.880
while. Is that who we were
talking about for Batman? Yes, yeah,

1067
01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:44.600
yeah, I know he is.
Yeah. I didn't know about him

1068
01:14:44.680 --> 01:14:50.279
really until a Reacher. Yeah.
He was in the twenty fourteen uh teenage

1069
01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:54.760
Ninja Turtles. I don't know if
I even't seen it. He was not

1070
01:14:54.840 --> 01:15:00.119
a turtle as far as I can
tell. Maybe he was the hockey guy,

1071
01:15:00.600 --> 01:15:06.359
not Jason Casey Jones. Is that
yeah, Casey Jones. He might

1072
01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:13.720
have been him, uh to teenage
teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Out of the Shadows

1073
01:15:13.960 --> 01:15:18.840
and he was He's just a voice. I assumes a cartoon it maybe no,

1074
01:15:18.920 --> 01:15:23.760
it's live action. Oh really,
Steven mml was in that one.

1075
01:15:24.039 --> 01:15:26.159
I haven't seen. I don't know
if I've seen any of the new live

1076
01:15:26.159 --> 01:15:29.520
actions. Oh he was Raphael.
He was a turtle. Oh that's crazy,

1077
01:15:30.720 --> 01:15:39.199
really, Yeah, huh, you
haven't seen it, Huh. I

1078
01:15:39.239 --> 01:15:44.680
mean I hope this story in general
gets some play on American Olympics because one

1079
01:15:44.840 --> 01:15:46.760
thing that makes the Olympics cool is
the stories, right, Like, the

1080
01:15:46.840 --> 01:15:50.359
games are cool and who wins as
cool, but like everyone forgets who got

1081
01:15:50.359 --> 01:15:54.960
a medal or if they got silver
or gold, Like, it's always the

1082
01:15:55.000 --> 01:16:00.399
stories that go along with them.
And to have like such an international team

1083
01:16:00.439 --> 01:16:05.279
and an international impact for a country
that's new ish, right, that doesn't

1084
01:16:05.439 --> 01:16:10.439
get a lot of spotlight for anything, even the negative, you know,

1085
01:16:10.479 --> 01:16:15.359
it doesn't get a lot of like
people. You know, there's obviously tons

1086
01:16:15.359 --> 01:16:19.079
of negative happening everywhere in the world
now, but it's always you know,

1087
01:16:19.119 --> 01:16:23.600
we don't have to dive into politics
and shitty media. But media chooses what

1088
01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:26.960
they decide to show, and they
don't always show the dark side of things

1089
01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:30.159
that we're not don't have our hands
in. And so for these kids,

1090
01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:32.960
whether they went through it, their
parents went through it, someone they know

1091
01:16:33.079 --> 01:16:41.079
has gone through heinous things to make
it to the Olympics as like, yeah,

1092
01:16:41.159 --> 01:16:44.000
kind of like a cool running type
story, you know, where they

1093
01:16:44.039 --> 01:16:46.279
had to learn how to bobs that
on a dirt hill and you're telling us

1094
01:16:46.279 --> 01:16:50.079
an eagle shitting on your free throw
line. You know, like'll y'all went

1095
01:16:50.119 --> 01:16:54.439
through it. You guys really went
through it. And hopefully, hopefully I'm

1096
01:16:54.479 --> 01:16:57.399
hoping NBC or whoever the hell's covering
this thing, yeah, at least has

1097
01:16:57.439 --> 01:17:00.840
a blurp on it. Those athlete
and team packages are the things that make

1098
01:17:00.039 --> 01:17:04.600
worth watching watching the Olympics, you
know, so much more worthwhile. Alan

1099
01:17:04.680 --> 01:17:12.319
Richmond Richman Richmond Richson was on American
Idol he sings in two thousand and four.

1100
01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:15.000
Interesting, Yeah, he was also
I think the thing that most people

1101
01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:18.479
would who have been watching him for
a long time would would get is he

1102
01:17:18.520 --> 01:17:23.920
was in Blue Mountain State. Oh
that was the frat boy show. Yeah,

1103
01:17:25.680 --> 01:17:33.079
football college football team show. Yeah
yeah, drama never was Yeah,

1104
01:17:33.199 --> 01:17:41.600
comedy kind of. I think Hunger
Games also, So yeah, okay,

1105
01:17:41.720 --> 01:17:45.199
I approve this casting. We'll get
his people on the phone. R Brad,

1106
01:17:45.640 --> 01:17:48.199
Yeah, mister Pitt, What the
hell is going on? Well,

1107
01:17:48.319 --> 01:17:54.119
I mean they don't anymore. They
don't make a documentary without figuring out what

1108
01:17:54.199 --> 01:17:59.760
the what the narrative movie is going
to be, you know, because that's

1109
01:17:59.800 --> 01:18:01.399
you know, you have you have
to put the whole package together to make

1110
01:18:01.399 --> 01:18:04.720
the money, I think, yeah, especially with the turnover a media.

1111
01:18:04.760 --> 01:18:10.239
Now everything's cool for a day.
Well, but I got one more question,

1112
01:18:10.479 --> 01:18:14.279
and you could take as little or
as much time as possible with this

1113
01:18:14.399 --> 01:18:17.520
question, and that's when back back
in the days when we met you,

1114
01:18:18.560 --> 01:18:21.399
and if you were looking forward to
twenty twenty four, what did you think

1115
01:18:21.439 --> 01:18:29.439
you could be doing versus what you're
doing now? M Because I mean,

1116
01:18:29.439 --> 01:18:33.039
the majority of your twenties, you're
pretty dialed in as a strength conditioning coach

1117
01:18:33.399 --> 01:18:38.840
yep, right, whether it be
for multiple athletes, lou whatever, across

1118
01:18:38.840 --> 01:18:42.199
the past, that was a large
chunk of what you did was pure coaching.

1119
01:18:42.479 --> 01:18:47.640
Yep. Man. That's a really
interesting question because I've known you guys

1120
01:18:47.680 --> 01:18:54.039
a very long time, coming up
on ten years. Yeah, that's crazy,

1121
01:18:54.680 --> 01:19:03.319
And I would have never thought,
and this is like total fanboy,

1122
01:19:03.359 --> 01:19:08.199
but like I would have never thought
I would have met you guys, because

1123
01:19:08.640 --> 01:19:14.079
I listened to you guys when I
was going to the gym work, and

1124
01:19:14.800 --> 01:19:16.279
I loved you guys at that point, Like I never thought I actually meet

1125
01:19:16.279 --> 01:19:21.880
you in person, much less become
friends with you guys. So that whole

1126
01:19:23.039 --> 01:19:28.920
la time, I never even saw
that coming. Yeah, I bet louldn

1127
01:19:29.039 --> 01:19:32.000
neither. No, for sure he
didn't. Yeah, I was a hell

1128
01:19:32.039 --> 01:19:35.520
of a I was a hell of
a twist to everyone's lives who it was,

1129
01:19:39.560 --> 01:19:41.960
you know, like even Barbil Brigade. Like when I first went there,

1130
01:19:42.039 --> 01:19:45.079
I didn't know anything about it.
I didn't. I was so un

1131
01:19:45.720 --> 01:19:53.800
plugged in to that world, you
know, YouTube, and I just I

1132
01:19:53.880 --> 01:19:57.319
just didn't know what I didn't know. I just went there because the gym

1133
01:19:57.359 --> 01:20:00.439
looked like it could be a dope
place where we could get some good kid

1134
01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:04.479
and they were so friendly and kind
to being the I was like, this

1135
01:20:04.520 --> 01:20:08.920
is a place for me to say
And same thing when I met you guys

1136
01:20:08.920 --> 01:20:12.000
in person, I'm like, wow, you guys are so friendly and kind.

1137
01:20:12.680 --> 01:20:16.800
I still squat in the belt that
you signed for that ad. You

1138
01:20:16.800 --> 01:20:19.760
remember that you signed this belt for
this ad and you say, here's Jacob,

1139
01:20:19.880 --> 01:20:21.800
you can have this belt. I
still squat in that belt. I'll

1140
01:20:21.800 --> 01:20:28.239
squatted in the Friday. That's crazy
out of a monolitht Disrespecteah, sorry,

1141
01:20:28.479 --> 01:20:32.760
son of a bitch. Sorry.
So it's hard to say because I don't

1142
01:20:32.800 --> 01:20:38.279
know that I had time to stop
and think about it back then. I

1143
01:20:38.319 --> 01:20:43.119
first I can imagine your schedule.
Then people don't like pay enough attention to

1144
01:20:43.159 --> 01:20:45.920
that, Like I want to play
pro basketball my whole life, and even

1145
01:20:45.960 --> 01:20:47.079
after playing college, I just knew, like, man, I don't know

1146
01:20:47.079 --> 01:20:50.680
if I can mentally keep up with
this schedule and the NBA schedules times a

1147
01:20:50.760 --> 01:20:57.000
thousand and you lived the NBA schedule
right, traveling every other day, flights

1148
01:20:57.039 --> 01:20:59.920
at two am to get to the
next game. Plus you got to act.

1149
01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:01.039
You work work, so you got
to wake up whenever you got to

1150
01:21:01.039 --> 01:21:03.720
wake up to train lou to train
the team, make sure his nutrition's block,

1151
01:21:03.760 --> 01:21:08.880
make sure to sleep block. Like
you lived a very torturous decade.

1152
01:21:09.079 --> 01:21:12.479
That is tiring. That is tiring, you know, And so for you

1153
01:21:12.520 --> 01:21:15.520
not to have foresight in the future
is very understandable, you know, because

1154
01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:18.680
you're you're on the go, like
for eight months out of the year.

1155
01:21:19.479 --> 01:21:23.720
Yep, you're screwed. Yeah,
you're lucky if you get a meal in

1156
01:21:24.279 --> 01:21:28.399
well. And I will say this, I will say that I know that

1157
01:21:28.600 --> 01:21:35.000
coming out of my like mid twenties, I wanted to work with good people.

1158
01:21:35.079 --> 01:21:40.720
Number one. That was huge for
me. I had already worked enough

1159
01:21:40.720 --> 01:21:45.000
in my life with some real great
turds that I did not want to continue

1160
01:21:45.079 --> 01:21:49.920
to do that moving forward, and
Louell is one of the best people I've

1161
01:21:49.920 --> 01:21:55.119
ever met. He continues to be
that. So I knew I wanted to

1162
01:21:55.119 --> 01:21:58.239
work with him in some capacity,
and I didn't know the national team and

1163
01:21:58.279 --> 01:22:01.319
all that would happen, but foundation
obviously was a part of that and one

1164
01:22:01.359 --> 01:22:06.680
reason why I chose to go that
route. I finally went to Southset last

1165
01:22:06.760 --> 01:22:13.199
year for the first time, the
very difficult place to get to. Man,

1166
01:22:13.640 --> 01:22:20.960
I cried on the court. It's
just so many full circle things for

1167
01:22:21.079 --> 01:22:27.119
me in a bigger goal and aspiration
than the training has taken me to.

1168
01:22:30.199 --> 01:22:33.279
And so for now for me to
be kind of half in the nonprofit,

1169
01:22:33.600 --> 01:22:40.239
half in the training. I wouldn't
have drawn it up this way because I

1170
01:22:40.279 --> 01:22:43.840
didn't have enough foresight or wisdom to
draw it up this way, but really

1171
01:22:43.840 --> 01:22:51.600
grateful for it, and I'm always
if I really didn't think about it.

1172
01:22:53.159 --> 01:22:58.199
I'm grateful that I can get on
the phone and call guys like you and

1173
01:22:58.319 --> 01:23:02.039
talk to y'all and we have a
friend and relationship and mutual respect, because

1174
01:23:02.239 --> 01:23:09.039
that's really what it's all about.
It's all of us been around this long

1175
01:23:09.159 --> 01:23:12.880
enough and around this quote unquote game
long enough to know you can do things

1176
01:23:12.920 --> 01:23:15.000
for views, you can do things
for life, you can do things for

1177
01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:16.680
shares and all that good stuff,
and there's a place for that. You

1178
01:23:16.720 --> 01:23:20.880
have to market yourself and you have
to blah blah blah. But really what

1179
01:23:21.000 --> 01:23:26.640
really matters is when Jim and I
are sitting there having breakfast and just talking

1180
01:23:26.680 --> 01:23:29.960
about life and just really enjoying each
other's company, or you know, Mike

1181
01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:32.439
and I are on a cruise ship
shooting hoops, you know, hanging out

1182
01:23:32.479 --> 01:23:38.479
like like, that's the stuff a
lot life that actually means something. Everything

1183
01:23:38.520 --> 01:23:42.159
else is just an avenue to get
to that point. Our businesses, our

1184
01:23:42.239 --> 01:23:45.560
jobs, it allows us to do
those things. And so honestly, I'm

1185
01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:49.640
really grateful to be in a place
where I've met some amazing people like you

1186
01:23:49.720 --> 01:23:53.000
guys. And I don't mean that
in a blow and smoke way. I

1187
01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:58.520
mean in an honest and genuine way, because that is why I do any

1188
01:23:58.520 --> 01:24:00.239
of this stuff. It's the only
reason I want to do this stuff.

1189
01:24:00.039 --> 01:24:02.720
If it was up to me,
honestly, I could live on a farm

1190
01:24:02.760 --> 01:24:06.319
I grew up on, take care
of cows, work the land, not

1191
01:24:06.359 --> 01:24:10.479
see very many people, and I'd
be fine. But the fact that I've

1192
01:24:10.479 --> 01:24:15.239
met an unusual amount of high quality
people really makes me want to keep pushing

1193
01:24:15.279 --> 01:24:18.800
so that I can be around you
guys more. I want't successful so I

1194
01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:21.960
can fly to Sack and hang out
with you guys. It's our goal,

1195
01:24:23.079 --> 01:24:26.680
It's our goal of life. I
dig it. I dig it. Well,

1196
01:24:27.079 --> 01:24:29.840
you're one of the best people that
we've ever met, for sure.

1197
01:24:30.920 --> 01:24:34.920
You got a ol piece of our
heart, for sure. How do I

1198
01:24:34.920 --> 01:24:41.199
get a South Sudanese basketball jersey?
Yeah, I gotta call lou you gotta

1199
01:24:41.239 --> 01:24:45.039
call it. I don't even know. I don't even have one, dude,

1200
01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:47.079
I need one because as long as
y'all aren't playing the US and as

1201
01:24:47.079 --> 01:24:50.720
long as y'all ain't playing Argentina,
I'll throw this all were the Studentese every

1202
01:24:50.760 --> 01:24:53.680
day, all right, I'll see
what I can do. I can do.

1203
01:24:53.960 --> 01:24:57.720
Yeah. Yeah, there's a time
you knew we were in a room

1204
01:24:57.760 --> 01:25:03.239
and everyone's shooting these but us.
True. Yeah, fucking fifteen dudes in

1205
01:25:03.239 --> 01:25:09.399
a room. I will say this. Hey, yo, there's a guy

1206
01:25:09.439 --> 01:25:14.520
on the national team named Coman.
You probably see me post about him.

1207
01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:19.399
He just started a duke. Yeah, but he'll be uh at the Olympics

1208
01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:25.119
playing for US. He was sixteen
at the World Cup now he's seventeen.

1209
01:25:26.840 --> 01:25:30.119
He was the third youngest player he's
at the World Cup. And he's a

1210
01:25:30.159 --> 01:25:35.720
projected number three pick in the draft
next year coming out of Duke. Yeah,

1211
01:25:36.520 --> 01:25:42.199
so was it Cooper Flag? Yeah, he's he might be number one

1212
01:25:42.199 --> 01:25:44.720
and come on, is supposed to
be number three. So Duke should have

1213
01:25:44.720 --> 01:25:47.399
a really good team this year.
A uh yeah, Cooper Duke too?

1214
01:25:47.439 --> 01:25:50.520
Oh no, where did Cooper go? Don't do right? Yeah? Yeah,

1215
01:25:50.600 --> 01:25:54.479
that's crazy. Yeah, they're from
all that after coach K too.

1216
01:25:54.720 --> 01:25:58.479
For them to recruit that well after
coach K is a big statement. Well,

1217
01:25:58.680 --> 01:26:04.560
Combine is seven two seven to three, about two fifty to fifty five.

1218
01:26:05.680 --> 01:26:10.920
Yeah, and he moves like he's
one eighty. It's insane as the

1219
01:26:11.000 --> 01:26:15.680
Kevin Durant build. Yes, it's
insane. Yeah. So the point I've

1220
01:26:15.680 --> 01:26:17.520
all got to play like that is
he gonna play on the wing a little

1221
01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:21.399
bit. He can do anything,
right now. Yeah, that's crazy.

1222
01:26:21.760 --> 01:26:27.119
Yeah, I mean the talent in
the world is insane. Well, but

1223
01:26:27.199 --> 01:26:31.199
the point is is that I do
think, you know, if I had

1224
01:26:31.199 --> 01:26:38.840
to plan I could see myself potentially
getting back into training because he's the person

1225
01:26:38.840 --> 01:26:40.680
that I would do. I've worked
in for the last three years. He's

1226
01:26:40.680 --> 01:26:44.399
a really good kid. I could
see myself doing some of what I did

1227
01:26:44.479 --> 01:26:46.600
for Lou for him. Probably not
to the same extent, but some of

1228
01:26:46.600 --> 01:26:48.760
that. But the point is is
that at the minimum, will have some

1229
01:26:48.800 --> 01:26:53.560
basketball games to go to and we
could go wat. Yeah, you have

1230
01:26:53.600 --> 01:26:56.000
a kid at sex State, right, you and I talk about that.

1231
01:26:56.239 --> 01:26:59.000
He was. Yeah, he's playing
at sex State and Sex State's program's coming

1232
01:26:59.039 --> 01:27:01.319
up a little bit. They're true, they've been recruiting on the national kids.

1233
01:27:02.239 --> 01:27:03.960
Is he on the national team or
no, he was just a kid

1234
01:27:03.960 --> 01:27:08.600
you met through the system. No, he was an NBA Africa, which

1235
01:27:08.680 --> 01:27:13.159
is like the prep school for Africa. Basically, it's kind of the better

1236
01:27:13.680 --> 01:27:15.960
African kids, regardless of what country
you're from. It's a boarding school slash

1237
01:27:16.039 --> 01:27:24.119
basketball program. And he played with
US in one tournament and he went to

1238
01:27:24.159 --> 01:27:30.800
college and so he hasn't really been
in the national team fold. But yeah,

1239
01:27:30.920 --> 01:27:34.000
really really good kid man, really
good kid. Yeah. I mean

1240
01:27:34.000 --> 01:27:39.319
the Duke connection runs deep obviously with
Lou and everything else there. That's exciting.

1241
01:27:39.439 --> 01:27:42.720
That's exciting. You see the best
player on the team. Then he's

1242
01:27:42.720 --> 01:27:44.960
the best player on the South Student
East team. Yeah, he's got to

1243
01:27:44.960 --> 01:27:49.760
be in the conversation. Uh man, I would staff point, but you're

1244
01:27:49.760 --> 01:27:53.319
the meat head coach. You're allowed
to say these things. Yeah right,

1245
01:27:53.479 --> 01:27:57.199
Uh well, I mean the MVP
of the World Cup was a guy named

1246
01:27:57.199 --> 01:28:02.159
car Leak who was a G League
player on the Bulls. He's our only

1247
01:28:02.279 --> 01:28:09.439
naturalized player, but he actually has
South Sudanese roots. That guy tore it

1248
01:28:09.520 --> 01:28:13.399
up. He had some thirty point
games in the World Cup, like,

1249
01:28:13.640 --> 01:28:17.920
just tore it up. Another guy
named Nooni who was G League flirting in

1250
01:28:17.920 --> 01:28:23.039
the NBA level. He's really really
good. There's a guy Nam Wingan who

1251
01:28:23.079 --> 01:28:26.079
played on the Lakers last year.
He's the center. He's really really good.

1252
01:28:27.079 --> 01:28:29.760
I mean, just the experience over
the seventeen year old, right,

1253
01:28:29.800 --> 01:28:31.920
I mean, the G League basically
is pro. Now it's almost getting to

1254
01:28:31.960 --> 01:28:34.800
be like baseball where guys are going
back and forth. Often there's a couple

1255
01:28:34.800 --> 01:28:38.520
of guys with two way contracts.
So like, if you're playing the G

1256
01:28:38.640 --> 01:28:42.640
League even a year, you have
real pro experience, which is similar to

1257
01:28:42.640 --> 01:28:47.079
like an international where yeah, if
you're seventeen. Your experience is just less

1258
01:28:47.279 --> 01:28:49.640
regardless of your skill. And yeah, you may be the best player of

1259
01:28:49.720 --> 01:28:54.920
Duke and all this, but you
just haven't played pros for eighty games or

1260
01:28:54.960 --> 01:28:57.760
sixty games. It's just a different
vibe. Well, and that's the thing

1261
01:28:57.760 --> 01:29:01.800
about Kaman, Like he win the
World Cup and gave guys like, you

1262
01:29:01.840 --> 01:29:05.279
know, six points and eight rebounds
in ten minutes and these are thirty year

1263
01:29:05.319 --> 01:29:12.039
old pros. He was sixteen seventeen. Yeah, that's insane. People don't

1264
01:29:12.079 --> 01:29:16.760
understand. Yeah, that's insane.
That's a gifted. Yeah, yeah,

1265
01:29:16.920 --> 01:29:21.399
keep an eye ot. I need
Duke Jersey to Duke Jersey and the Jersey

1266
01:29:23.279 --> 01:29:26.880
rack them up. All right,
Duke's probably hold. I don't know.

1267
01:29:27.000 --> 01:29:29.000
Duke's hard to get ahold of too. I try to find it. Yeah,

1268
01:29:29.000 --> 01:29:30.720
I try to find I mean,
Lou only played there one year,

1269
01:29:30.760 --> 01:29:31.359
I think, But I tried to
find a bunch of Lou. I think

1270
01:29:31.479 --> 01:29:35.359
Jacob got it for me. Yeah. One of my old manager and then

1271
01:29:35.359 --> 01:29:39.039
my old high school basketball coach were
big Duke fans. So I got to

1272
01:29:39.079 --> 01:29:42.279
lose to sign those. But those
are I was deep into eBay to find

1273
01:29:42.319 --> 01:29:44.680
them. They just don't make them
with names on them. Maybe now with

1274
01:29:44.720 --> 01:29:46.760
the nil and shit, like,
the whole business is different. But back

1275
01:29:46.800 --> 01:29:49.479
in the day, most university didn't
even put your name on it, let

1276
01:29:49.520 --> 01:29:53.359
alone like put a number. They
would just sell like a generic jersey.

1277
01:29:53.760 --> 01:29:56.960
It would all be number one or
something number zero. It was hard.

1278
01:29:56.960 --> 01:30:00.479
But the game is changing, Caitlin
Clark changing the game. That's the hot

1279
01:30:00.520 --> 01:30:02.239
topic. That's what we should have
dove into. That's the hot topic.

1280
01:30:02.920 --> 01:30:09.399
Yeah, yeah, yeahous topic.
Yeah, a little racism going on,

1281
01:30:09.479 --> 01:30:13.159
a little sexism talk. I love
it all. It's all controversial. It's

1282
01:30:13.199 --> 01:30:16.159
complicated. Dudes on dudes on ESPN
corner a bitch love it. You've been

1283
01:30:16.239 --> 01:30:19.079
in a positive way. But he
had to back up, you know,

1284
01:30:19.199 --> 01:30:24.399
Pat back a careful about Yeah,
some some words. There's some words I

1285
01:30:24.720 --> 01:30:27.840
just don't use in particular ways.
Yeah, at least not on the airway.

1286
01:30:27.880 --> 01:30:30.039
Yeah, it's a hot topic for
sure. They're making money for the

1287
01:30:30.039 --> 01:30:32.279
first time ever. Shout out to
them. Yeah. I think the WNBA

1288
01:30:32.680 --> 01:30:36.399
New York in particular, I think
went profitable for the first time in ten

1289
01:30:36.479 --> 01:30:42.079
years or something, which is sad
and wonderful at the same time. Basketball

1290
01:30:42.119 --> 01:30:45.159
did. It's moving, it's moving
and then you're getting some people. It's

1291
01:30:45.199 --> 01:30:48.479
interesting they're getting seems jealous, you
know, like I was a part of

1292
01:30:48.479 --> 01:30:53.720
this too, and it's like,
come on, like, oh my goodness,

1293
01:30:54.319 --> 01:30:57.920
does it everybody was a part of
it? Who gives a crap?

1294
01:30:58.000 --> 01:31:01.199
Just play basketball, bake your money. They promote your brand. I guess

1295
01:31:01.239 --> 01:31:06.079
that is brand. But I mean
there's similar things people say happen with the

1296
01:31:06.119 --> 01:31:10.439
Isaiah Thomases and shit when Michael Jordan
was really exploding, you know, and

1297
01:31:10.439 --> 01:31:14.319
that's where the negativity some of it
may lie between Isaiah Thomas and maybe he's

1298
01:31:14.319 --> 01:31:16.880
just a dick because no one else
on the league liked him, but there's

1299
01:31:16.960 --> 01:31:20.279
bound to be yeah, jealousy and
whatever. But I agree with you,

1300
01:31:20.359 --> 01:31:25.000
and it's not that you can't promote
your brand and market, but talking negave

1301
01:31:25.159 --> 01:31:29.199
on someone else, especially on that
level of stage, isn't gonna step you

1302
01:31:29.279 --> 01:31:32.119
forward. So like you let your
game talk. You all got sponsorships now.

1303
01:31:33.079 --> 01:31:35.680
I think Angel Reese is the main
one that's been vocal like this,

1304
01:31:35.760 --> 01:31:38.920
and I think she's sponsored by Rebok, Like just go, yeah, go

1305
01:31:38.960 --> 01:31:42.039
run your own show. Then if
if you think they're coming to watch you,

1306
01:31:42.439 --> 01:31:44.399
they'll come to watch you. You
don't have to like tell them to

1307
01:31:44.399 --> 01:31:48.960
come watch you. But some of
the yeah yeah, yeah, yeah right,

1308
01:31:49.199 --> 01:31:51.439
like then it shuts it all up. Then it shuts it all up.

1309
01:31:51.439 --> 01:31:55.159
And I get it, Like because
the argument is Kaitlin Clark's losing,

1310
01:31:55.199 --> 01:31:57.119
and I get it. You know, they're two and ten or something.

1311
01:31:57.319 --> 01:32:00.800
I do understand. But that's happens
in the league always. That happened to

1312
01:32:00.880 --> 01:32:03.800
Jordan Lebron's a rare case where that
didn't happen to It kind of happened to

1313
01:32:03.880 --> 01:32:06.000
Kobe in a sense. I mean, Kobe's at the bench for a year.

1314
01:32:06.119 --> 01:32:11.279
Like people just don't understand the scope
of it all. But I think

1315
01:32:11.359 --> 01:32:15.199
anything that promotes the sport, you
know, as the rising tides rise all

1316
01:32:15.239 --> 01:32:20.199
ships, I would just I would
ride that fucking boat man. Yeah,

1317
01:32:20.199 --> 01:32:26.279
it is exciting, always great chatting
buddy plug away. Where can people find?

1318
01:32:26.319 --> 01:32:28.520
You got your gym? What is
it? Technically? Are we still

1319
01:32:28.560 --> 01:32:33.199
into calb? No, it's not
quite to the calb. It's on the

1320
01:32:33.319 --> 01:32:35.880
edge of Oh boy, are you
ready for geography that you've dive here?

1321
01:32:36.840 --> 01:32:42.960
Yeah? Sure, on the edge
of Campton Hills, Lily Lake, Elbourne

1322
01:32:43.359 --> 01:32:46.800
in Maple Park. Okay, So
if you're in that area Illinois, if

1323
01:32:46.840 --> 01:32:48.960
you have any idea where this is, you can go there. Yeah.

1324
01:32:49.000 --> 01:32:51.760
Well, if you know where it
is, you probably need a gym membership

1325
01:32:51.800 --> 01:32:55.039
there. Yeah. If you don't
know where it is, you're probably nowhere

1326
01:32:55.039 --> 01:32:58.560
close. Yeah. Yeah. What's
the website again if they want to join,

1327
01:32:59.000 --> 01:33:01.399
whether it be coaching, some help, or the gym itself. Yeah,

1328
01:33:01.399 --> 01:33:08.560
so it's just official be Better brand. That's a website. Instagram is

1329
01:33:09.319 --> 01:33:14.560
be Better Barbelle Club for the gym. Obviously, my Instagram is Jacob dot

1330
01:33:15.079 --> 01:33:18.439
w dot Ross. I use Instagram
the most. I don't really use anything

1331
01:33:18.479 --> 01:33:23.399
else. At this point, we
changed the name to be Better. We

1332
01:33:23.479 --> 01:33:26.439
used to be called Smart Strength because
we felt a little piginoled with that,

1333
01:33:27.199 --> 01:33:30.800
you know, we could kind of
only talk about string training. And Tom's

1334
01:33:30.880 --> 01:33:35.399
really big into self improvement. He's
been going to therapy, which Huck Finn

1335
01:33:35.399 --> 01:33:40.159
makes fun of him all the time
about, which is really funny because Hucks

1336
01:33:40.199 --> 01:33:45.840
are the most exactly right. Yep, they should go together. We're trying

1337
01:33:45.840 --> 01:33:49.159
to get Tom's therapist on the episode
Let's Get Stupid. That'd be great,

1338
01:33:49.439 --> 01:33:51.560
It would be great, That would
be good. Yeah, that'd be really

1339
01:33:51.600 --> 01:33:54.680
good. I thought about that when
I was seeing one, and then I've

1340
01:33:54.680 --> 01:34:00.319
decided that was not a good thing
to do. A little tommy so yeah,

1341
01:34:00.359 --> 01:34:04.399
so anyway that would be better?
Is everyone's got something called be better?

1342
01:34:05.199 --> 01:34:09.119
Yeah? Yeah, so it's the
names get a little weird with the

1343
01:34:09.159 --> 01:34:13.399
branding. But we're trying to No, you guys are killing it. You're

1344
01:34:13.399 --> 01:34:15.359
doing great. You got a new
gym. Check it out. If you're

1345
01:34:15.399 --> 01:34:19.680
in north eastern northwestern Chicago, ish, what else is up there? Is

1346
01:34:19.680 --> 01:34:23.279
there a city up there? Like
a legit, like there's Chicago in Illinois?

1347
01:34:23.319 --> 01:34:27.600
Is there anything north? Well,
really, we're more west, like

1348
01:34:27.720 --> 01:34:33.680
Saint Charles is probably the last suburb
that is size. Uh. You keep

1349
01:34:33.680 --> 01:34:39.800
going closer to the city. You
have Schomberg, Wheaton, Lumbard It.

1350
01:34:40.439 --> 01:34:43.760
No, you keep going, you
get to Rosemont and then you get to

1351
01:34:43.840 --> 01:34:47.319
Chicago. I've heard of Chicago.
None of the suburbs that are in John

1352
01:34:47.359 --> 01:34:51.920
Hughes movies. In other words,
correct, they're all the one that's Ferris

1353
01:34:53.000 --> 01:34:59.319
Bueller. Uh watch McCall's out there. Maybe uh home Alone north Side.

1354
01:34:59.359 --> 01:35:01.840
Yeah, it's just I think I
think all the John Hughes movies happened in

1355
01:35:01.880 --> 01:35:04.640
the same is he John Hughes,
I don't know. Yeah, he just

1356
01:35:04.640 --> 01:35:08.239
makes all his movies in Chicago.
Well he did and before he died.

1357
01:35:08.319 --> 01:35:12.239
Yeah, interesting pretty much. Uncle
Buck interest, Uncle Buck, oh,

1358
01:35:12.319 --> 01:35:16.680
John Candy. Yeah, the Bob's
led coach exactly. Full circle. Yeah,

1359
01:35:16.760 --> 01:35:20.479
I've seen some of those. Appreciate
you as always, buddy, Hopefully

1360
01:35:20.520 --> 01:35:25.159
we'll see you. I know your
schedule is busy. I was finding and

1361
01:35:25.199 --> 01:35:27.520
thinking of ways to find my way
to Paris, but I don't think it's

1362
01:35:27.520 --> 01:35:31.640
happening. Come to West coast,
East coast, bro, I'd be down,

1363
01:35:31.680 --> 01:35:35.760
to be honest. That would be
insane. That would be insane.

1364
01:35:36.800 --> 01:35:41.199
Shoot some hoops, be the water
boy. That's how I get a jersey.

1365
01:35:41.279 --> 01:35:44.600
Yeah, you should have hired all
mof the fucking Eagle Shit. I

1366
01:35:44.640 --> 01:35:48.439
don't care. Yeah, I'll clean
that up. I've swept so many basketball

1367
01:35:48.439 --> 01:35:53.520
courts in my life. I've swept
hundreds of thousands of basketball courts. That's

1368
01:35:53.520 --> 01:36:00.680
in my beloved Yeah, give me
a couple of mopst worry. Yeah,

1369
01:36:00.840 --> 01:36:02.880
ladies and gentlemen, New episode Wednesday
and Friday. Thank you so much.

1370
01:36:03.119 --> 01:36:05.359
Good company. Discord dot com if
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1371
01:36:05.399 --> 01:36:08.840
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1372
01:36:08.920 --> 01:36:11.479
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1373
01:36:11.600 --> 01:36:14.960
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1374
01:36:14.960 --> 01:36:18.880
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1375
01:36:18.880 --> 01:36:19.600
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