John Gaglione: The Evolution of Powerlifting Culture

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All righty, welcome, I'm back after a couple of weeks

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of Uh, I just like needing to take a couple

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of weeks to to not record when I don't you know,

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with with Mike out, Uh, when I don't have guests

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lined up, uh, and my schedule doesn't really really sync

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up with that, then I just don't do it. And

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and there's that's after a dozen years of powercasting. Did

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I just say that that was a Fordian slip podcasting

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starting with the power Cast, which this show has actually

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been going on longer and has more episodes than that

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show did by this point. But yeah, just it's freeing

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to just not do it sometimes, you know, Not that

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I don't enjoy it, but you know sometimes, So I'm

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here with my guest, mister Gaggs himself. Uh, John CACALIONI,

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the guy that we used to call the mafia accountant

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for some reason.

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Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I was.

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I did a very important deal, you know, with the

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whole rebox shoe dealing. So it was in in Massachusetts.

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Is you know, my my life's work right there.

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So how you doing, I'm doing. I'm doing really well.

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It's great to It's always great to catch up.

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So going into twenty twenty six, it'll be uh or

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my fifteenth year with a you know, gaggling on strength,

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my you know, my coaching company, my my.

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My original gym in New York.

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And it'll also be my twentieth year competing as a

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competitive powerlifter.

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Did my first.

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I always joke that I started powerlating before it was

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cool back in two thousand and six. So and got

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married last year and originally from Long Island, New York,

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and I just opened it'd be a two year anniversary

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opened up as a gym. We were talking a little

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bit off off air in Delaware. So it's a lot

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has changed, a lot, has a lot of growth, but powerlifting,

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lifting weight to the barbell has still always been part

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of the equation.

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Hey that's great, and you're you're training folks online in person.

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Yeah, so it's I say that kind of like hybrid

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is like kind of the not hybrid in terms of

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running because I'm not not definitely not into.

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That, but hybrid me either.

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Yeah.

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I never kind of running in jiu jitsu or things

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that I never partook it as a powerlifter. I did

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have the bodybuilding stint in twenty twenty, and if you

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guys are interested, we can kind of talk about that.

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That was just like a bucket list thing.

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But but yeah, so you know, uh, there was kind

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of iterations and seasons of life where I tried to

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get myself off the gym floor. Yeah, that's kind of

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like what every good entrepreneur should do. But I'm a

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coach at heart. Many people may not know, but you know,

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I have a master's in education. I've always been a teacher.

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I started teaching elementary wrestling, like when I was a teenager,

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started coaching at eighteen.

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So in person coaching, I don't think I could ever

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give up entirely.

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So I still have a bunch of clients that I

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work with At our Delaware location. It's mostly kind of

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older folks. There's a lot of retirees down here. We have,

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you know, people in their fifties, sixties, and even some

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in their seventies that are kind of training for strength,

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Some are competing in powerlifting, some are just you know,

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lifting for fitness, and then I kind of work with

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I kind of program our all of our team members

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at the New York Gym. They're a little bit more

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kind of seasoned powerlifters, and you know, I still work

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with you know, I still consult with guys like Larry Wheels.

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That's kind of where you know, we first met when

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he was on the scene breaking all his world records

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and kind of taking the powerlifting s team by storm.

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But I would say most of my work is done online.

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But I'm never going to completely I always want to

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have a hub and a home base or like where

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my family can lift. My wife lifts. My wife and

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our daughter she's actually gonna be doing their first usapl

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meet together and competing and they're trying to kind of qualify.

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So my wife will be trying to qualify for Master's Nationals,

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and then our daughter she just did her first youth

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Nationals back in July. So you know, everyone's kind of

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involved in the liftings team. I think that's kind of

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the nature of being around me. It's kind of part

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for the course. But I try to, you know, make

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it as part of our lives the best we can

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and just maybe you know, take it a little have

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a little bit more fun in the process. Maybe not

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quite as serious as you know it once was, but

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lifting is definitely still part of the equation.

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Yeah, I I just full transparency. Like I there have

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been times, just even even owning this gym, that I

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have not been in the gym all the time. In

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the last like five or six months, I've I've I'm

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here like six days a week, not just not working

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but actually like working out too. And uh uh. And

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it is the first time since the old days when

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I was lifting with a team of people that it's

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actually been fun for me. And you know, we have

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now there's nobody lifting with me, but we have members

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in all the time, and and we have a you know,

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a good community, a good group of people, and it's

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it's just sort of the first time that it's really

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like felt good in a really long time. So I

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get what you mean, like get the family of all.

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Like my wife. I realized one day my wife had

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like a more of a of a practice of fitness

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than I did, like by any stretch of the imagination,

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you know, and really she was running and doing yoga

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and whatever, and like I was not, and I'm not

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gonna be, but I did did finally like lock myself

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back into for the first time since the powerlifting days,

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like locked into too a program and talking to people

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who are advising me on on what to do, and like,

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you know, drop being some of my the weight that

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I intentionally put on for powerlifting, and it it's been

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you know, it's been good. It's been really good.

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I think that like that was so I kind of

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alluded to it a little bit. So like you know,

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in twenty twenty, I did a little bit of a

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bodybuilding stem.

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So part of that was like I was on my

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way down anyway, and I was and so.

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I did one of my bucket lists goals and this

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is a this is equipped lifting, but I think it's

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still pretty good.

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So, you know, wearing squat suits, knee reps.

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I wanted to you know, I wasn't going to be

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a Larry Williams and break all time records. But I

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always took my lifting very seriously and I'm like, you know,

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maybe I could do something that no one's ever done before.

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So I said, I said on this.

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I ended up kind of losing weight and I got

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very close to an eight hundred pounds squat in the

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two forty two weight class. And for those that have

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been following me for a while, I've squatted a thousand

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pounds in training. I did nine hundred in a competition

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as a super heavyweight, and I was like, okay, you know,

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eight hundred, it's kind of a pretty substantial figure. Still,

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I'm like, what if I could squad eight hundred pounds

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and multiple weight classes. So I set this goal to

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squad eight hundred pounds and six weight classes because to

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my knowledge and to this day, I don't think anyone's

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ever done it. So I was on my way down.

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I cut all the way down from three forty to

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one ninety eight. It took like five years. I weighed

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in a one ninety seven squad at eight hundred. I

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had my Chuck vogelpol flame beingie on when in my

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canvas suit while doing it, so it was like kind

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of a little bit of a throwback, a little you know,

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ode to you know, Louis Simmons and uh. And then

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from there I kind of was like, I think I

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have some abs and I have some definition in my leg.

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So obviously there's a water cut involved and stuff.

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But I started to actually look like relatively lean, and

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I was like, you know, I'm not going to go

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down to one eighty one. But I said maybe I

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could do a bodybuilding show, and of course, you know,

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in twenty twenty, kind of the world shut down, but

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I had a lot of time to focus on it,

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so it ended up being a blessing in disguise. I

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ended up doing the Mister America contest and it was

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a lot of fun. I had a lot more fun

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than I thought. But uh, you know, I kind of

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quickly realized that I enjoyed eating food too much and

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Mom's cooking and all this stuff.

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So that was a very short lived yeah, you know,

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but it was a cool bucket list thing.

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And then you know, I kind of bounced back and

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forth between different weight classes and stuff. But I going

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back to what you were saying, before being on a

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program having some sort of performance goal, I tried to

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like just exercise for like a while, and just that

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didn't really just do it for me. So one thing

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that I've been kind of doing more of single lift

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meets has been fun. It's a little bit less stressful, honestly,

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benching in the new shirts. It's still very comfortable because

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I have a lot of shoulder issues, and I've been

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kind of dabbling in a strict curl competition. It's kind

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of like a little bit of an odd bawl thing.

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But I just really enjoy competing. I don't know if like,

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you know, putting you know, eight or nine hundred pounds

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in my back as often as like the smartest thing

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for me to do for longevity.

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But I love lifting heavy. I love lifting with a crew.

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We have a bunch of guys that I trained with

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now I'm actually going to be benching with them later today.

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And it's just fun to kind of like do something,

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to be on a program and kind of lift with

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your friends. And that's like the thing I really miss

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about like having those equipped, you know, sessions with the

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guys and you know, some of my trips to West

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Side and you know, learning with all those guys and

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you know, anyway, so that's kind of like what I've

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been up to and just you know, just to kind

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of like it's as much as for the physical body,

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it's also like for your for your brain and your confidence.

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And I felt like I was just exercising, I just

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wasn't it just was I just felt like something was missing,

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you know. So just trying to be a little bit

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more reasonable about my goals and stuff. I'm actually started

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dieting as well, like this week and trying to get

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my weight back down, but you know, trying to stay healthy,

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state motivated. And I think that like having some sort

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of you know, performance goal like attached to your training,

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I think it was also helpful. At least for me,

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it's always been helpful to kind of keep on target,

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you know. For those that maybe don't have like world

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record aspirations, I think it's still like good to have

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personal records that you're striving for, and even if they're

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if they're made up, I think that could be really

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helpful to kind of keep you on track.

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Yeah, that makes sense. You just just your your goals

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don't have to be anybody else's goals to understand, right,

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I mean, you just whatever works for you. Excuse me.

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Something you were said earlier about about your your big

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weight loss all the way down till one ninety seven,

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taking five years. And this is something that I noticed

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a lot lately that really bugs me, is that people

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have unrealistic expectations of how long it's going to take

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to lose the significant amount of weight, even if it's

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you know, even if it's twenty five pounds, even right,

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they have an unrealistic expectation of how fast they can

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get there and then what they can do when they do.

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And you know, like I think that twelve week challenges

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are good for motivating people, but that is it this

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you know, it's a it's a losing game if if

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you're if you're like sprinting to the finish and then

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when you get there, it's it's a big party, and

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then you don't, you know, care about maintaining weight loss

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or it just it seems like it seems like that's

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a part of that one of the parts of the

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fitness industry that's broken is that you can get people

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engaged for for a you know, a twelve week challenge

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or whatever, but twelve weeks of engagement is not enough.

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Like you have to realize that you're you're making a

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like permanent lifestyle change.

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Yeah.

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I think the permanent lifestyle change is a very hard

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pill to swallow. And it's one of those things where

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even when you're working with people, because I've been working

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with a little bit more like kind of general fitness

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stuff now and I think sometimes like what I've found

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sometimes is one thing that I find the powerlifting meets

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and stuff has been helpful is a kind of record,

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It kind of.

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You do need to like kind.

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Of weigh yourself in and check in on the scale

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if you do want to make body composition changes and

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all that stuff. But sometimes it's good to like not

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like worry like solely on that, and if you have

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other kind of side kind of quests and side goals

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that you're kind of focused on, it gives you because

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what's great about what's great and bad about power lifting

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is that it's very like tangible to see your progress,

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like immediately where you be able to add five more pounds,

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were you able to add another rep? And I know

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that's something where and at a certain point when you

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get to a level like kind of we did it.

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hundred pounds. The five pounds is not going to come

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super fast either anymore. But initially, if you have someone

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who's like I have a woman I'm working with. We

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just did a charity bench press fundraiser out at the

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local gym, and in the last four months she never

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she's never touched any weights before. She came in strictly

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for like body composition and fitness, but slowly over time

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she got comfortable. She went we have like a kid's bar,

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a fifteen kilo bar, so now she's using like a

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like a twenty kilo bar, forty five pound bar. And

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she was asking about this bench press fundraiser and we

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have like a max contest and a bench her reps

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and I'm like, why don't you just bench the bar

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as many times as you can? And she jumped in

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and she did it, and she was so proud of herself.

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And it was one of those things where for guys

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that have you know, been in bench shirts and did

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all these massive wets may not seem like crazy, but

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for her it was a huge win just to like,

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so she was a little Now she's still gonna be

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focusing on our weight loss and stuff, but it just

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gave her something else to be proud for. Now she's

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got a little bit more pep in her step and

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she's a little bit more motivated to keep coming back

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to the gym because these these weight changes can take

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a lot of time and especially if you want to

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kind of keep it off.

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So it's one of those things where.

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You know, depending on the person, like I might like

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kind of save that conversation for a later date, like

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once they have other habits in place, and usually being

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the strength guy, I like to tend to focus on

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like the lifting part first and then kind of get

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to the because the lifestyle change, like the eating and stuff,

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it's it's, it's, it's. It could really take a really

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long time for like your average person, but you know,

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I think that it is worth it once you kind

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of like get get into it. And even with ourselves,

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we're trying to you know, have healthier dinners and healthier options.

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And I think the more you can be kind of

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inclusive in your community and family, I think it definitely

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helps if you know, and just kind of you know,

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if your family is on board and your community is

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on board, I think that makes a huge difference if

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kind of everyone is kind of on a similar page,

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you know, when it comes to lifting and you know,

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just weight loss in general.

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So yeah, yeah, And and I think that like the

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the the dominant philosophies around weight loss seem to stream

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from more of the bodybuilding world, and that's not most people.

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That's not where most people's goals lie or should lie,

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and they get caught up in in needing to feeling

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like they need to be super strict when that isn't

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really the issue. The issue is is sort of is changing.

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You're just basically changing the menu of things that you're

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choosing from and the proportion of those things and not well,

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I'm only going to eat clean and I'm going to

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do this and do that. You know, it's it's the same.

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It's the same kind of thing with with training with

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with people who you know, coming at it from the

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fitness side and and working more like body weight splits,

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I mean body part splits. You know, that's that's a

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bodybuilding thing that's not like a regular person trying to

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get fit thing. Like I in the last like six

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weeks or so, I switched from the first time since

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the nineties, switched to a full body, three times a

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week workout schedule, and it has been like a revelation.

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It's like why did I do this before? And you know,

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like you start looking back at your life and like, well,

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if twenty years ago I had met people who were

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more fitness oriented and less less concerned about max weights

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like I would, this probably wouldn't be so much work

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right now, you know?

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Yeah, yeah, I think that one thing that I've been

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kind of trying to implement with myself too, is just

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kind of going back to my I did wrestling in football.

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Growing up, wrestling was more my main thing, and wrestling

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is kind of was my introduction to the strain training

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lifting in general, and I just I happen to really

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kind of fall in love with trend the conditioning, and

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that's kind of like how I kind of got my

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started in this whole field. And one of the things that,

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especially now that I'm like a little bit like you know,

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less serious about competing, not really doing like full competitions anymore,

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at the moment, I can like you know, do some

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things like you know, whether it's drag a sled or

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just get better at like do some calisonics and just

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have some more general just general training. And that's something

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where when I was working with a lot of wrestlers

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in like the early two thousands, like that was kind

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of my main kind of client sele and you know,

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they didn't just squat bench and deadlift. You know, they

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did rope climbs, they did pull ups, they did push

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ups and lunges, and just being like a little bit

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more well rounded versus just like you know, being like

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absolutely strong. Can you like be like a little bit

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more well round and even like you know, you could

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do a little cardio, you know, you could do like

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you know, it's like what a novel idea. Even just

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I've been really trying to focus on getting my steps up,

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just being outside a little bit more a while it's

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still you know, reason reasonably uh you know, you know,

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decent out. And I think that, like you said, and

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your your your program will change. I think like when

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people are like, oh, like what's your split or what

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you know, it's all kind of circumstantial.

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Where like you.

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Said, a lot of my general fitness people they might

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do more full body because it's like they're not gonna

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I'm not gonna see them like five times a week

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or four times a week. If I see them like

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twice a week, well we're going to do like a

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little bit of everything and just you know, it's still

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gonna be strength focused, but you know we might just

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kind of do you know, do something for upper bodies,

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something for a lower body, and then some other stuff

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maybe like okay, like some stuff might just be stuff

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they enjoy. It doesn't have to be like so like

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optimal is like all the rage and you got to

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do the opt you know, but also like you know,

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it's like you have to what are things that you

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actually like doing that's going to get you back to

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the gym?

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You know, So optimal for who is always the question? Yeah,

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I ask, because like optimal for somebody else, Optimal for

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a bodybuilder or a or a you know, a crossfitter

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or an Olympic weightlifter or a powerlifter, those are all

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different things. Are people who haven't like literally other sports

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like running, like we we have you know, a continue

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of people here who actually run and they're not necessarily

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competing in powerlifting, but they're training in a powerlifting style,

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but they enjoy running. They run with run clubs in

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the in the area and stuff like that. And that's

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just that what's optimal for them is not going to

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be what's optimal for are. You know, we have a

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larger contingent of tested UH Federation competitors here, we have.

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I don't think we currently have any non tested competitors.

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This is a totally different world than than what I

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was dealing with.

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It's it's really interesting and like I said, we can

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kind of dive into it a little bit. So two

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things I want to touch on because I think the whole.

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I'd love to kind of touch on the culture of

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powerlifting because one of the things we were kind of

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talking about off air is just training versus I think

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that's a good type of conversation. But U but even

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before that, like I think that one thing that I

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think that's i'd like i'd like to kind of advocate

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for for people that are like thirty five plus forty plus,

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maybe you're a bit a businessman, maybe you have kids,

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you just limit it on time. I love, I love

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power lifting. There's a lot of elements I like about it.

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But I think that like people feel like they need

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to if they can't do like this full on, you know,

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crazy program, then why bother. And one of the things

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that I really like love about training for strict curl,

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it's like you're not gonna like die from being under

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like a thousand pounds, you know. That's that's that's that's

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like the first thing. And like literally you could do

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it like once a week and just get profession at it.

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And like it's such like a low like cost, Like

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you don't need like a squat suit, you don't need

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a fancy like combo rack, you don't you need a

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wall and like a barbelle and like some weights, and

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you can kind of get started with it. So it's

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one of those things where at first it's team kind

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of corny, but we had a lot of athletes get

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really proficient in it. My wife's been doing that as well.

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She's one of the top females in the country for

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for her weight class. And I was like, Okay, I'm

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starting to get some athletes that are like getting more

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proficient in this, so I should kind of like and

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I thought it was gonna be kind of stupid, but

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I kind of like, you know what, there's a lot

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of elements from parallels that I like about. You know,

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you get three attempts, you kind of you have this

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performance goal, but like the cost of like squatting like

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eight hundred or nine hundred and like what that does

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to your nervous system and your back. And so I

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feel like I can kind of do a strict croll

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meat And I'm like, I guess it doesn't it doesn't

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like have it doesn't interrupt my life so so much.

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Like you feel like the computer is like crashing and

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you need a few days. So if you ever if

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you ever been in a squat suit and had a

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substantial amount of weight on your back. It's just a

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different type of fatigue that you kind of feel. And

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I'm sure all these because these rowlifters are squatting eight

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nine thousand pounds, you know, someone like a Heyzoos Salavaris,

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so I'm sure they're kind of feeling the effects of

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that too. So anyway, it's just wanted to kind of

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I think that like sometimes like if you sometimes it's

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that you could still kind of do something, but maybe

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just you just do it differently, you know. So I

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think that's just something I wanted to kind of highlight

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and then yeah, if there anything you want to add

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to that, And then I think the whole culture change

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in powerlifting, whether it be good or bad, it's just

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been really interesting to kind of see over the last

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you know, you know, twenty years or so, like it's

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been quite a shift and you know what powerlifting is.

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But yeah, I think the average age of competitors drop

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significantly in the last ten years for sure, and it's

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part probably seven, maybe a little bit longer than that.

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But yeah, just like there's so many more young people involved,

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there's so many more people period involved than there used

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to be. I could definitely feel you on the geared

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lifting and it doesn't even have to be you know,

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it doesn't have to be eight erred pounds. It has

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to be whatever your eight.

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Hundred pounds is.

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And like that, you gear is exhausting. People who really

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poop poo died because oh, it's cheating or whatever. It's like, No,

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it's just a different it's a different slice of the sport.

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It's it's just different. Like hell, there are different versus

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versions of pickleball out there for having. You know, it's

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like you can't say they're all that there's only one

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way to do to do a sport. Uh, there's usually

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only one popular way to do a sport, and that

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that that has changed for sure. But I can tell

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you that that, you know, squatting six fifty, that was

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my best squad ever and I never got close to

483
00:22:31.960 --> 00:22:33.799
it again. I got the six hundred is the closest

484
00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:37.640
I ever got again. Or you know, pulling over six

485
00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:42.119
whenever in gear is exhausting, Like you're you're there's does

486
00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:45.000
something different to your nervous system than lifting raw does.

487
00:22:47.240 --> 00:22:50.400
And that is that's hard to communicate for people who

488
00:22:50.400 --> 00:22:52.720
are never going to find out. They're never going to

489
00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:56.640
find out because you can't just jump into equipment, you know, No, no.

490
00:22:56.759 --> 00:22:57.920
You definitely need like people.

491
00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:00.279
And so I think that's a good segue because I

492
00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:03.119
think like that was like one thing that it was like.

493
00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:05.160
Maybe like an.

494
00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:09.160
Unintended consequence of the equipment was that like kind of

495
00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:13.440
people were almost forced to train together under the same monoliths,

496
00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:17.920
spotting each other, stuffing yourself into the squad suit, stuffing

497
00:23:17.960 --> 00:23:22.200
yourself into the bench shirt. I mean, you know, if

498
00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:23.839
you think about it, it's like it seems all kind

499
00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:25.160
of silly, and if you ever, you know, like kind

500
00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:26.599
of it's like, oh, you're like hanging from the bar

501
00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:28.319
and takes you like thirty minutes just to get into

502
00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:30.160
the thing get out of the thing. But but I

503
00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:33.160
think what I really loved about that kind of era

504
00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:37.759
was just a difference in camaraderie. And also like even

505
00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:40.640
if you like everyone has like an online uh program

506
00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:42.640
now where they have like an online coach, and in

507
00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:45.319
my opinion, like I think it's more online programming than coaching.

508
00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:47.839
But that's another kind of deal.

509
00:23:50.440 --> 00:23:53.759
Yeah, it's just like coaching is what happens where like

510
00:23:53.799 --> 00:23:56.079
you're actually getting feedback you're getting cues, you're getting it,

511
00:23:56.200 --> 00:23:59.000
you're getting like insight, and I think that like I51200:23:59.039 --> 00:24:03.880



think the equipped lifters also, we're just very in tune51300:24:03.880 --> 00:24:06.440



with like safety and being engaged, and they were very51400:24:06.559 --> 00:24:09.880



like present. Yeah, you had to be just for from51500:24:09.920 --> 00:24:13.119



the safety aspect, but people were always yelling at you51600:24:13.160 --> 00:24:14.960



to like, you know, whether it's sitting back or pushing51700:24:14.960 --> 00:24:18.400



your knees out or tucking your whatever, whatever it was,51800:24:19.720 --> 00:24:21.880



it's just a very different and to me, like that51900:24:21.880 --> 00:24:24.559



felt like more like you were on a team. And52000:24:25.680 --> 00:24:28.759



that's something where going from like wrestling and playing football52100:24:28.839 --> 00:24:30.759



to like more of a you know, getting into equipped52200:24:30.759 --> 00:24:35.200



powerlifting and training and a crew, I felt like that52300:24:35.359 --> 00:24:37.440



was a very like natural, like kind of segue to52400:24:37.559 --> 00:24:39.359



kind of just still being feeling like I was like52500:24:39.400 --> 00:24:41.599



still like an athlete in some regard, even like you52600:24:41.599 --> 00:24:43.519



can kind of argue maybe we didn't look like athletes,52700:24:43.559 --> 00:24:46.119



maybe you know a bunch of fat guys stuffed in52800:24:46.160 --> 00:24:49.960



the squad suits, but you know, that to me is52900:24:50.000 --> 00:24:52.920



just something that it's been really interesting over the years.53000:24:52.799 --> 00:24:53.759



Having a pulse on.53100:24:55.200 --> 00:24:57.200



Going to some of these more popular gyms, not to53200:24:57.279 --> 00:24:58.720



kind of poo poo them, but one of the things53300:24:58.759 --> 00:25:02.359



that's always been kind of disheartening to me is like53400:25:02.400 --> 00:25:04.519



some of these gyms, they might it's they're beautiful, they53500:25:04.559 --> 00:25:07.839



may have like ten combo racks, and during a busy53600:25:07.920 --> 00:25:11.079



session you have like literally ten people with their headphones on.53700:25:11.680 --> 00:25:13.519



They're on their phones, they're kind of doing their own thing.53800:25:13.559 --> 00:25:16.480



They're not like working in with each other. They might53900:25:16.519 --> 00:25:18.880



even go as far to wait until the racket until54000:25:18.880 --> 00:25:21.799



you're completely done to kind of get started. So I54100:25:21.839 --> 00:25:23.319



don't know if you've kind of seen that, like kind54200:25:23.319 --> 00:25:26.319



of owning your own gym yourself, or kind of kind54300:25:26.319 --> 00:25:28.000



of any thoughts on that, but that's something that I've54400:25:28.079 --> 00:25:30.759



kind of always been trying to maybe push back against54500:25:31.559 --> 00:25:33.359



in terms of like just like the lifting culture and54600:25:33.400 --> 00:25:35.279



how people are training nowadays.54700:25:35.920 --> 00:25:39.640



Yeah, you know, that's definitely a thing that I see54800:25:39.720 --> 00:25:41.920



and I and I actually I think I said this54900:25:42.000 --> 00:25:45.079



on the show a couple of months ago, that there55000:25:45.119 --> 00:25:48.160



isn't anybody who trains alone in our gym who could55100:25:48.200 --> 00:25:51.680



benefit from training with a group of people. And you know,55200:25:51.799 --> 00:25:55.079



back in those days, everybody had eyes on what everyone55300:25:55.200 --> 00:25:58.480



was doing, and they were they had you know, sometimes confusing,55400:25:58.519 --> 00:26:01.920



conflicting comments, but people had things to say about you55500:26:01.960 --> 00:26:06.079



know that that might have been insight on on technique55600:26:06.559 --> 00:26:11.319



or on on weight selection, any of those things. You know. Uh,55700:26:11.359 --> 00:26:14.759



And it doesn't happen as much here now. At the55800:26:14.759 --> 00:26:19.359



same time, like people are, people are very kind to55900:26:19.400 --> 00:26:22.480



each other here, and they do pay attention to each56000:26:22.480 --> 00:26:25.920



other's lifts, even if there's you know, three people on56100:26:25.960 --> 00:26:28.119



three different combo racks at the same time, you know,56200:26:28.359 --> 00:26:30.400



and they're all squatting, and they could be just squatting56300:26:30.400 --> 00:26:33.680



together and and but they don't. And there is a56400:26:33.720 --> 00:26:38.200



lot of focus on you were talking about talking about56500:26:38.240 --> 00:26:41.640



coaching versus just programming. There are some people who have56600:26:41.680 --> 00:26:45.480



good coaches and and they and they're recording their lifts56700:26:45.519 --> 00:26:48.920



and sending them to their to their to their to56800:26:48.960 --> 00:26:54.759



their coach. I do wonder sometimes to what extent that helps,56900:26:55.039 --> 00:26:59.240



because a lot of what I mean, a lot of57000:26:59.359 --> 00:27:02.839



flaw in lifting after someone reaches kind of the intermediate57100:27:02.880 --> 00:27:06.400



point is just that they go up on technique. They're57200:27:06.480 --> 00:27:10.039



like they're like a pitcher who loses his arm slot57300:27:10.119 --> 00:27:12.079



for a minute, you know, and and they can't find57400:27:12.079 --> 00:27:15.559



the strike zone. It's not that there's anything inherently wrong57500:27:15.640 --> 00:27:17.640



with what they're doing is just they're having a moment57600:27:17.640 --> 00:27:20.599



where they're just off. They just miss a lift because57700:27:20.759 --> 00:27:24.279



there they had a break in concentration or or they57800:27:24.319 --> 00:27:27.000



just got out of position and couldn't get back into position.57900:27:27.200 --> 00:27:30.279



Just and I don't know what you coach about that. Honestly,58000:27:30.319 --> 00:27:32.240



it's just like, oh, don't do that anymore. It's like58100:27:33.240 --> 00:27:35.880



it doesn't you know what what. I don't know what58200:27:35.880 --> 00:27:40.119



the benefit is except that there's a I mean, we58300:27:40.200 --> 00:27:46.920



go through we go through iPhone tripods like their water58400:27:47.480 --> 00:27:51.240



around here there, there's like you're just constantly buying them.58500:27:51.240 --> 00:27:52.880



I think we're currently down to three, but I think58600:27:52.920 --> 00:27:55.359



that we've we've been up as high as like eight58700:27:55.440 --> 00:27:59.799



or nine. And I mean everybody's doing it, so everybody58800:27:59.839 --> 00:28:02.079



needs to do it, I guess. And it's you know,58900:28:02.839 --> 00:28:04.880



not all of them are posting them on their Instagram59000:28:04.960 --> 00:28:06.960



or whatever. It's a lot of just going to coaches.59100:28:06.960 --> 00:28:09.400



But I don't know what that I don't know the59200:28:09.480 --> 00:28:11.559



value of the feedback. I guess that's what I'm trying59300:28:11.599 --> 00:28:12.000



to say.59400:28:12.359 --> 00:28:13.839



Yeah, No, I think that's a really good point.59500:28:13.880 --> 00:28:15.519



I think there's definitely and I think part of that59600:28:15.640 --> 00:28:17.839



is like, so I've been I don't know if you're59700:28:17.880 --> 00:28:20.119



if you remember, well, I know you remember, I don't59800:28:20.119 --> 00:28:22.279



know a lot of the listeners remember when a lot59900:28:22.319 --> 00:28:24.440



of people were back on like teenage and stuff.60000:28:24.480 --> 00:28:27.559



But yeah, so I kind of like I probably got on.60100:28:27.519 --> 00:28:30.599



There even maybe maybe before I was even like deserving60200:28:30.640 --> 00:28:31.960



of getting on there. But it was just kind of60300:28:32.000 --> 00:28:34.240



like that's kind of like what you did if you60400:28:34.240 --> 00:28:35.960



wanted to kind of be like, you know, some of60500:28:35.960 --> 00:28:39.079



these uh you know, the Eric Kresty's and a.60600:28:39.000 --> 00:28:40.160



Lot of these prominent coaches.60700:28:40.640 --> 00:28:43.000



It was just kind of like monkey see, monkey deal,60800:28:43.079 --> 00:28:44.720



like maybe I should like write for teenage and maybe60900:28:44.759 --> 00:28:47.599



I should you know, kind of get on men's health.61000:28:47.599 --> 00:28:50.279



So anyways, and back in those days, some of my61100:28:50.359 --> 00:28:52.079



articles are to get a little bit more popular. I61200:28:52.119 --> 00:28:55.519



also was trying to communicate some of the stuff I61300:28:55.559 --> 00:28:57.599



learned from Louis Simmons and many others and try to61400:28:57.920 --> 00:29:00.279



kind of put that in a more digestible way, learning61500:29:00.319 --> 00:29:03.640



from guys like you know, Dan Green and many others61600:29:03.640 --> 00:29:06.039



that you guys, you know, we all rubbed elbows with,61700:29:06.119 --> 00:29:08.359



you know, back in the day and at that time,61800:29:09.359 --> 00:29:11.680



because teenage was such like a big kind of you know,61900:29:12.079 --> 00:29:14.759



meeting ground for a lot of minds and fitness and strength.62000:29:15.720 --> 00:29:17.880



I started to get people like, oh, can you do62100:29:17.960 --> 00:29:20.400



online coaching? And like I had no system. I'm like, okay,62200:29:20.599 --> 00:29:22.119



I guess so I can kind of send you And62300:29:22.519 --> 00:29:26.799



I started to do like very crude you know, video62400:29:26.920 --> 00:29:29.200



editing and feedback and stuff like that. Now there's like62500:29:29.200 --> 00:29:32.519



different applications and stuff. And at a certain point, I62600:29:32.519 --> 00:29:34.640



think you're right, Like, at a certain point, this is62700:29:34.759 --> 00:29:37.599



kind of like my over the years of kind of62800:29:37.599 --> 00:29:40.119



coaching people for like I said, nearly two decades. At62900:29:40.119 --> 00:29:44.559



this point, six to eighteen months, the new big games63000:29:44.559 --> 00:29:46.559



are gone. Techniques probably pretty stable.63100:29:47.720 --> 00:29:47.839



You know.63200:29:47.920 --> 00:29:50.319



There's probably not like you might unless someone's switching from63300:29:50.319 --> 00:29:52.799



similar to conventional that they're learning a completely brand new lift,63400:29:52.880 --> 00:29:56.039



or they're getting going from sleeves to wraps or raw63500:29:56.119 --> 00:29:59.720



to equipped. There's probably not too much like to really63600:29:59.720 --> 00:30:03.680



tink with, you know, at that point. But I think63700:30:03.720 --> 00:30:06.559



what's really important is, like I said, the human connection,63800:30:06.640 --> 00:30:10.119



the interaction when things are not going, when when life63900:30:10.160 --> 00:30:14.119



stress happens, just kind of like troubleshooting, Like okay, like64000:30:14.119 --> 00:30:16.200



I had a bad workout, Like should should I go home?64100:30:16.240 --> 00:30:16.880



Should I scrap?64200:30:16.920 --> 00:30:19.359



And I think it starts to be less about the64300:30:19.400 --> 00:30:22.160



technique and more about like, uh, I consider myself almost64400:30:22.200 --> 00:30:26.680



like a strength consultant sometimes, where how are you just64500:30:26.759 --> 00:30:29.000



navigating like life, especially if you're kind of dealing with64600:30:29.039 --> 00:30:31.279



older people where you know, if you have a junior64700:30:31.359 --> 00:30:34.079



lifter and like their life is like centered around training.64800:30:34.119 --> 00:30:36.960



There there's no stress. They're eating a lot, they're sleeping64900:30:37.000 --> 00:30:40.079



a lot. You know, they don't have anything they'll kind65000:30:40.079 --> 00:30:43.400



of worry about. You know, they could do like you know,65100:30:43.599 --> 00:30:46.119



SBD five times a week and be at the gym65200:30:46.160 --> 00:30:48.359



for four hours, and they're as long as they're working hard,65300:30:48.359 --> 00:30:50.200



they're probably going to get pretty good results. But then65400:30:51.079 --> 00:30:53.359



for me, like a lot of times, it's it's it's65500:30:53.400 --> 00:30:56.599



fun to kind of troubleshoot the people that can only65600:30:56.720 --> 00:30:58.200



I can only make it in the gym twice a65700:30:58.240 --> 00:31:00.839



week or I can only So it's definitely like a65800:31:00.880 --> 00:31:03.200



lot different than training an all time record holder or65900:31:03.240 --> 00:31:05.599



someone that's really seasoned. But I kind of have a66000:31:05.640 --> 00:31:08.359



lot of fun having those conversations and stuff. So sometimes66100:31:08.359 --> 00:31:11.759



it's a matter of just having a sounding board checking66200:31:11.799 --> 00:31:14.759



in and also kind of explaining them. One of the66300:31:14.759 --> 00:31:17.440



things that I like to do personally, it is just66400:31:17.480 --> 00:31:19.839



kind of really understanding like what's the intention of like66500:31:20.119 --> 00:31:22.000



the next week, what's the intent and then also kind66600:31:22.039 --> 00:31:24.839



of like looking forward and if they do kind of66700:31:25.000 --> 00:31:28.039



yolo or they go off plan or and then be66800:31:28.119 --> 00:31:30.680



kind of okay, let's make an adjustment, because I do66900:31:30.759 --> 00:31:33.160



think that the big downside to a lot of the67000:31:34.039 --> 00:31:36.359



programming and like online feedback is that a lot of67100:31:36.359 --> 00:31:38.720



times it's it's just a little slower than like doing67200:31:38.759 --> 00:31:41.359



it in person. But with a lot of the tools67300:31:41.359 --> 00:31:44.599



now you can be a little bit more organized, and67400:31:44.640 --> 00:31:46.279



a lot of the tools, like even like with AI67500:31:46.359 --> 00:31:47.720



and stuff, a lot of the stuff is going to67600:31:47.720 --> 00:31:51.039



be kind of able to track your volume and your67700:31:51.119 --> 00:31:54.519



prs and stuff like some systems are doing it automatically.67800:31:55.160 --> 00:31:57.519



But the human interaction and kind of actually troubleshooting and67900:31:57.559 --> 00:31:59.720



having conversations. I think that's where the human element and68000:31:59.759 --> 00:32:02.279



the code which really becomes value. And then like for68100:32:02.319 --> 00:32:05.759



me personally, I try to make a point even with68200:32:05.880 --> 00:32:09.480



our online clients, if there's a meat that they could68300:32:09.519 --> 00:32:11.119



fly to or if I can kind of be there68400:32:11.119 --> 00:32:13.960



in person, I just there's all I'm calling him like68500:32:13.960 --> 00:32:15.720



the next Larry Wheels, which maybe a little bit.68600:32:15.880 --> 00:32:17.920



There's a young kid and I'm mentoring now.68700:32:18.559 --> 00:32:22.240



He has three American record deadlifts and three weight classes.68800:32:22.240 --> 00:32:24.799



He just went from a teenage lifter. He's going to68900:32:24.880 --> 00:32:27.920



do his first meet in the juniors. But he's got69000:32:28.119 --> 00:32:30.519



American records in the two forty two, two seventy fives,69100:32:30.559 --> 00:32:32.759



and three awaights and he just pulled eight oh four recently.69200:32:33.559 --> 00:32:36.039



And so I've I've made a point to fly out69300:32:36.079 --> 00:32:37.640



to Florida to train him. I don't I don't know69400:32:37.640 --> 00:32:40.880



if you remember. I know the name Jordan Wong.69500:32:41.640 --> 00:32:42.480



He used to roll.69600:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.079



Yeah, so Jordan's still He's part of RPS and the69700:32:45.119 --> 00:32:47.720



federation that I'm involved in. He runs a lot of69800:32:47.720 --> 00:32:50.920



great meats in Florida. And so I flew down. I69900:32:50.960 --> 00:32:52.400



was like, you know, I'll catch up with Jordan. I'll70000:32:52.400 --> 00:32:54.240



catch up with some of those guys. And this guy's70100:32:54.279 --> 00:32:56.440



name is Martin, and as like, I really want to70200:32:56.440 --> 00:32:58.720



make sure this at this this kid just starts off70300:32:58.720 --> 00:33:00.119



on the right foot and you know, he doesn't hurt70400:33:00.200 --> 00:33:01.160



himself and all these things.70500:33:01.200 --> 00:33:03.920



So anyways, he ended up doing really well.70600:33:05.440 --> 00:33:07.519



Since, like I said, dead lift at eight hundred pounds70700:33:07.519 --> 00:33:09.519



and he's like, right, around like a two thousand pounds total,70800:33:09.519 --> 00:33:12.119



which is crazy because he just turned twenty years old,70900:33:12.119 --> 00:33:15.279



which is like, you know, someone's life dream, but that's71000:33:15.599 --> 00:33:18.799



that's the world we live in. So in a case71100:33:18.880 --> 00:33:20.480



like that, I try to, you know, if I could71200:33:20.599 --> 00:33:23.079



be there in person and the game day coaching that71300:33:23.079 --> 00:33:25.640



that's really fun for me. I'm sure you remember. I'm71400:33:25.640 --> 00:33:27.160



sure you know you were at some of those meets,71500:33:27.200 --> 00:33:29.319



you know when one of the most fun things for71600:33:29.359 --> 00:33:31.440



me was, you know, like handling guys like Larry and71700:33:31.480 --> 00:33:33.759



some of the others that I did, and making those71800:33:33.799 --> 00:33:35.799



game time decisions. Like to me, like that's like where71900:33:35.799 --> 00:33:38.119



the coach really is important and shine. So like maybe72000:33:38.759 --> 00:33:40.839



all the communication leading up to that point helps you72100:33:40.920 --> 00:33:43.000



become more familiar with the athletes so you can make72200:33:43.039 --> 00:33:43.759



those decisions.72300:33:44.519 --> 00:33:46.559



Larry was a good example not to keep using him72400:33:46.559 --> 00:33:46.960



as example.72500:33:47.000 --> 00:33:48.920



By know people know him, Like a lot of his72600:33:49.000 --> 00:33:51.960



records looked really easy, but he was such an explosive lifter,72700:33:52.400 --> 00:33:54.079



so I had to like really kind of pinpoint the72800:33:54.200 --> 00:33:58.160



little small deviations in his form or bar speed. I72900:33:58.240 --> 00:34:00.640



might not be able to see you've been working with73000:34:00.680 --> 00:34:02.079



someone for a long time, you might be like, oh,73100:34:02.079 --> 00:34:04.279



he's sandbagging. Oh that was easy, and you know, like73200:34:04.839 --> 00:34:06.960



if five pounds more around that bar, you would would73300:34:07.000 --> 00:34:09.440



have crumbled, you know. But that's just the type of73400:34:09.440 --> 00:34:12.239



lifter he was. So anyways, that's kind of like some73500:34:12.320 --> 00:34:13.920



things that I like to like kind of look out73600:34:13.960 --> 00:34:16.920



for in terms of on the powerlifting side of things.73700:34:16.920 --> 00:34:18.760



But I think you hit the nail on the head.73800:34:18.760 --> 00:34:20.559



I think at a certain point, I think once your73900:34:20.559 --> 00:34:22.400



technique is kind of good enough, you just need it's74000:34:22.440 --> 00:34:25.559



really just about accountability and developing the relationship with the74100:34:25.559 --> 00:34:28.639



person and just kind of adjusting like as needed, because74200:34:28.679 --> 00:34:30.199



you know your technique is only going to be so74300:34:30.239 --> 00:34:32.760



good at a certain point and then you just have to,74400:34:32.800 --> 00:34:34.840



like it just takes time. Just takes time to get74500:34:34.880 --> 00:34:37.320



stronger and bigger and you know, and all those things.74600:34:37.320 --> 00:34:40.079



So yeah, I think maybe I'm also speaking a little74700:34:40.079 --> 00:34:42.400



bit from my perspective because from a technical standpoint, I74800:34:42.440 --> 00:34:45.320



was a really good technical lifter. I just was the strongest,74900:34:45.480 --> 00:34:49.360



you know, and those things are not They don't equal75000:34:49.400 --> 00:34:51.639



each other, Like they rely on each other, but they75100:34:51.639 --> 00:34:55.199



don't equal each other. Sure for sure. That actually one75200:34:55.199 --> 00:34:58.960



of the greatest frustrations of my entire lifting career was75300:34:59.079 --> 00:35:00.880



way back in the day. I think it was two75400:35:00.920 --> 00:35:04.599



thousand and nine. We had we had Louis in the75500:35:04.639 --> 00:35:09.400



house here for a seminar, and he was doing like75600:35:10.519 --> 00:35:15.320



form checks, technique checks, whatever, and I was most concerned75700:35:15.360 --> 00:35:17.440



about my deadlift because it was sort of the most75800:35:17.519 --> 00:35:19.960



challenging thing to me other than wearing a venture, which75900:35:20.119 --> 00:35:23.760



I never was comfortable in adventure. Now, not one minute76000:35:23.800 --> 00:35:26.920



of one day was I ever comfortable an adventure. But76100:35:27.000 --> 00:35:28.719



I had him look at my deadlift and he's like, yeah,76200:35:28.760 --> 00:35:31.719



you're fine. It's like you don't have any there's no critique,76300:35:31.760 --> 00:35:33.519



there's nothing you can do to help me. It's like, no,76400:35:33.559 --> 00:35:36.400



your form is fine. We just need to get stronger.76500:35:36.440 --> 00:35:39.599



It's like, well, fuck, that's not what I wanted to hear.76600:35:39.599 --> 00:35:42.239



I want to hear there was just a flaw that76700:35:42.360 --> 00:35:44.920



if I just corrected, I'm going to, you know, put76800:35:44.920 --> 00:35:46.880



fifty pounds on my deadlift. And it was it was76900:35:46.920 --> 00:35:47.360



not the case.77000:35:47.400 --> 00:35:49.880



It was not true. Yeah.77100:35:49.960 --> 00:35:52.280



It's it's funny sometimes where you just think it's like77200:35:52.320 --> 00:35:54.840



anything else you know, you want, there's going to be.77300:35:54.880 --> 00:35:58.320



This one trick, and then yeah, one trick.77400:35:58.559 --> 00:36:01.239



Yeah, and it's assess that's not how most most things work.77500:36:01.239 --> 00:36:04.440



A lot of times, it's like, you know, it's consistency77600:36:04.440 --> 00:36:07.119



over time with weight loss, with training training, it's like,77700:36:07.159 --> 00:36:09.960



you know, it's probably gonna take longer.77800:36:10.360 --> 00:36:13.320



Let you think one thing. I think it's good to77900:36:13.360 --> 00:36:14.400



know any goal.78000:36:14.400 --> 00:36:16.840



It's I think we overestimate what we could do in78100:36:16.840 --> 00:36:19.800



the short term, and but we underestimate what we could78200:36:19.840 --> 00:36:21.960



do long term. So when it comes to weight loss, strength,78300:36:22.039 --> 00:36:24.119



like you know, when I first started lifting, I wasn't78400:36:24.119 --> 00:36:26.239



thinking about like I'm gonna squad nine hundred pounds, you know,78500:36:26.280 --> 00:36:26.760



like it's.78600:36:26.639 --> 00:36:28.800



Just but you do it. You do it long enough,78700:36:28.840 --> 00:36:30.400



you do it for five years, you do it for ten.78800:36:30.320 --> 00:36:33.320



Years, you get you get pretty good, and sometimes you78900:36:33.440 --> 00:36:35.280



kind of surprise yourself. But yeah, I think then people79000:36:35.360 --> 00:36:38.280



when you're I think the hardest thing this day and79100:36:38.320 --> 00:36:41.400



age is that when we're consuming content, whether it's you're79200:36:41.400 --> 00:36:46.400



an entrepreneur, you're a lifter, fitness people, we're seeing like79300:36:46.440 --> 00:36:48.280



the best of the best, and we get really warped79400:36:48.320 --> 00:36:52.000



with like, you know, what we should be like working towards.79500:36:53.280 --> 00:36:54.519



And we just see a snapshot.79600:36:54.559 --> 00:36:57.119



We don't see like everything kind of beforehand, you know,79700:36:57.960 --> 00:37:00.920



And that's if the photos aren't edited and and photoshops79800:37:01.119 --> 00:37:03.679



and all this other nonsense. But because a lot of79900:37:03.719 --> 00:37:06.360



times it's like literally like this is not like an80000:37:06.360 --> 00:37:09.639



attainable physique because it's not like real. But yeah, you80100:37:09.639 --> 00:37:11.719



know so, but yeah, I think it's just gonna take80200:37:11.840 --> 00:37:13.360



It's gonna take a lot longer. But if you put80300:37:13.400 --> 00:37:15.280



in the time and you have a good system in place,80400:37:15.320 --> 00:37:18.440



you just kind of you you repeat the play and80500:37:18.480 --> 00:37:20.559



you keep going and keep getting a little bit better.80600:37:20.559 --> 00:37:23.039



You troubleshoot, you get a little bit better. But I80700:37:23.039 --> 00:37:24.639



think that's where like kind of having a coach to80800:37:24.719 --> 00:37:26.440



kind of like consult with to kind.80900:37:26.239 --> 00:37:28.639



Of have realistic expectations.81000:37:28.639 --> 00:37:32.960



But what's what's challenging is sometimes you have coaches that81100:37:34.239 --> 00:37:37.440



might kind of give someone unrealistic expectations and just to81200:37:37.480 --> 00:37:39.920



kind of sell them, and that that's that's I see81300:37:39.920 --> 00:37:42.000



this a lot more in a when I was a81400:37:42.000 --> 00:37:43.679



little bit more in tune with bodybuilding, like when I81500:37:43.760 --> 00:37:47.480



was competing at the time, I saw some people that h.81600:37:49.159 --> 00:37:51.199



So, so I don't want.81700:37:51.079 --> 00:37:53.400



You know, without getting too much to personal details, like81800:37:53.480 --> 00:37:56.440



so my wife did some some bodybuilding and physique competing81900:37:56.480 --> 00:37:59.400



before you know, we got together and she's had thighorre82000:37:59.400 --> 00:38:01.320



had problems ever since because she kind of followed the82100:38:01.360 --> 00:38:02.039



coach's advice.82200:38:02.079 --> 00:38:04.000



It was not good. So she got ready for the show.82300:38:03.840 --> 00:38:06.239



And now she has to like, you know, be on82400:38:06.280 --> 00:38:08.559



these medications and stuff long term, and it's just like82500:38:08.679 --> 00:38:12.400



kind of it's just really unfortunate and it sucks. And82600:38:12.480 --> 00:38:14.480



you know, she's doing a lot better, like doing more.82700:38:14.519 --> 00:38:16.199



You know, she still looks great. She just dropped a82800:38:16.199 --> 00:38:19.039



weight class and so she's making her one forty eight82900:38:20.000 --> 00:38:23.119



debut for you know, so yeah, it's just cool. You know,83000:38:23.159 --> 00:38:25.119



it's just different goals and whatever. And she still looks great.83100:38:25.199 --> 00:38:28.679



You know, she's she's lean and she's strong, and but yeah,83200:38:28.760 --> 00:38:30.880



like the bodybuilding like really like messed her up. And83300:38:31.400 --> 00:38:33.559



you know, it's just like she just followed what the83400:38:33.599 --> 00:38:35.800



coach was saying and it just wasn't like great advice.83500:38:35.840 --> 00:38:39.159



And and a lot of people just like you know,83600:38:39.159 --> 00:38:41.400



they're trying to be a good, good client, and you know,83700:38:41.440 --> 00:38:43.400



it's it's it's kind of scary because we're dealing with83800:38:43.400 --> 00:38:46.519



people's bodies and you know, so you do the best83900:38:46.559 --> 00:38:49.639



she can and hopefully, uh, you know, you just have84000:38:49.679 --> 00:38:51.880



good communication with the coach but not not every coach84100:38:52.079 --> 00:38:55.719



like is equipped to you know, kind of work with84200:38:55.800 --> 00:38:57.920



these you know, types of clients, and you know, they84300:38:57.920 --> 00:39:02.119



may not understand the long term ramifications of what they're prescribing,84400:39:02.320 --> 00:39:02.559



you know.84500:39:02.960 --> 00:39:09.239



So yeah, yeah, that makes sense. I I I do.84600:39:09.400 --> 00:39:15.320



I do wonder if they're like what percentage of bodybuilding84700:39:15.320 --> 00:39:20.199



coaches take that into consideration. And the other the other84800:39:20.559 --> 00:39:23.599



thing is, though, just other observation is that bodybuilding coaching84900:39:23.639 --> 00:39:26.119



seems to me to be such a black box, like85000:39:26.400 --> 00:39:29.320



you don't, like, you don't really know what's going on85100:39:29.760 --> 00:39:32.920



a lot of the time with with how people are85200:39:32.920 --> 00:39:35.800



being programmed or what they're being told to take or whatever,85300:39:36.360 --> 00:39:40.920



if it's based on just a lot of of bro science,85400:39:41.320 --> 00:39:45.079



or if there's really something going on, and and you know,85500:39:45.119 --> 00:39:51.360



there're the whole issue with with diuretics like killing people,85600:39:52.159 --> 00:39:56.320



and it just it just seems like there isn't enough85700:39:57.320 --> 00:40:01.880



there isn't enough like solid knowledge about in general, what's85800:40:01.920 --> 00:40:04.880



going to happen to people when they go through these85900:40:05.840 --> 00:40:11.000



extreme measures really to to to try to win or86000:40:11.960 --> 00:40:14.159



like win a local show, for heaven's sake. I mean,86100:40:16.960 --> 00:40:19.119



it can be it can be a bit much, I guess.86200:40:25.119 --> 00:40:26.599



Yeah, so it's it's kind of interesting.86300:40:26.599 --> 00:40:28.519



I know, like we we're talking about bodybuilding right now,86400:40:28.519 --> 00:40:31.480



but even like the power Latin context.86500:40:31.519 --> 00:40:34.719



So one thing that's so.86600:40:34.719 --> 00:40:36.800



Obviously like when you when you kind of it's food86700:40:36.880 --> 00:40:39.559



and potentially drugs and they said diuretics and stuff. So86800:40:39.559 --> 00:40:42.840



I think, you know, educating yourself is important. One thing86900:40:42.880 --> 00:40:46.079



that I've been pondering a lot lately. You kind of87000:40:46.119 --> 00:40:49.159



mentioned like with this new age of you know, the87100:40:49.480 --> 00:40:53.440



tested lifter walked out stiff bar. I mean, we're we're87200:40:53.480 --> 00:40:58.280



seeing we're seeing we're seeing lifts done raw with you know,87300:40:58.880 --> 00:41:03.280



supposedly natural all these things you know that rival like87400:41:03.360 --> 00:41:06.079



good equipped lifts from back in the day, and these people,87500:41:06.440 --> 00:41:08.159



you know, there's people and like there's like.87600:41:08.079 --> 00:41:09.159



The guy Austin Perkins.87700:41:09.159 --> 00:41:10.639



I don't know if you kind of how much you followed,87800:41:11.719 --> 00:41:14.159



you know, squat and seven hundred pounds at one sixty five.87900:41:14.199 --> 00:41:17.559



I mean that's a good lift, you know, in knee88000:41:17.559 --> 00:41:21.000



wraps and a squad suit. So and and I'm not88100:41:21.000 --> 00:41:24.360



saying him specifically, but what I've kind of seen we88200:41:24.400 --> 00:41:27.639



went from this very popular kind of West Side approach88300:41:27.719 --> 00:41:29.679



with a lot of variation, a lot of bands and88400:41:29.800 --> 00:41:34.360



chains fairly, you know, more modest or lower volumes on88500:41:34.400 --> 00:41:36.599



certain things. Maybe not the accessories, but for like the88600:41:36.639 --> 00:41:40.239



main lifts, kind of lower volume, higher intensity, more variation.88700:41:41.480 --> 00:41:45.440



And now it's like maybe there might be assessories, there88800:41:45.480 --> 00:41:47.639



might not. It's mostly with a straight bar some of these.88900:41:47.679 --> 00:41:49.199



I don't know if you know this is the case89000:41:49.239 --> 00:41:51.800



in your gym, but I've heard some of the female89100:41:51.880 --> 00:41:55.119



lifters are benching like five times a week, some of89200:41:55.159 --> 00:41:58.400



the squatting three or four times a week. And I89300:41:58.519 --> 00:42:01.360



just also kind of wonder, especially for like the stronger athletes,89400:42:01.440 --> 00:42:05.320



like what are the ramifications of overuse? Are we just89500:42:05.360 --> 00:42:08.679



speeding up? They're like kind of genetic potential are they?89600:42:08.760 --> 00:42:10.960



Are they just reaching their ceilings sooner? Or are there89700:42:10.960 --> 00:42:13.880



going to be downstream effects for when these teenage lifters89800:42:13.920 --> 00:42:16.199



and when these junior lifters are our age or older.89900:42:17.159 --> 00:42:21.119



What is that going to do orthopedically? Because I don't90000:42:21.119 --> 00:42:23.039



know about you, but I can't imagine putting a strapear90100:42:23.079 --> 00:42:25.480



in my back more than once once a week, even90200:42:25.639 --> 00:42:27.960



just for my for my just for my shoulders, let90300:42:28.000 --> 00:42:29.800



alone my spine.90400:42:30.920 --> 00:42:31.360



So I don't know.90500:42:31.400 --> 00:42:32.800



These are just things I think about, and I think90600:42:32.840 --> 00:42:35.559



that a lot of these younger coaches. Sometimes it's good90700:42:35.599 --> 00:42:37.280



to like be a little naive because then like you90800:42:37.320 --> 00:42:39.400



don't have like a limit put on you. But also90900:42:39.519 --> 00:42:43.800



like this is like this isn't just like a video91000:42:43.840 --> 00:42:45.599



game where you could hit the reset button, and like91100:42:45.639 --> 00:42:48.079



this is like your body and you have one so91200:42:48.679 --> 00:42:50.320



and this has taken from someone, you know, I put91300:42:50.360 --> 00:42:52.159



a thousand pounds on my back. I've been three hundred91400:42:52.159 --> 00:42:54.320



and forty pounds. I've done a lot of not so91500:42:54.360 --> 00:42:57.800



smart things for my health. But so I don't know,91600:42:57.840 --> 00:42:59.880



It's just one of those things where I think sometimes coaches,91700:43:00.360 --> 00:43:02.039



if you have like a twenty something year old coach,91800:43:02.079 --> 00:43:04.239



they're not They're not going to have the life experience91900:43:04.280 --> 00:43:08.400



where I think having I think experience is important. But92000:43:08.480 --> 00:43:10.280



I still try to like stay up on like the92100:43:10.280 --> 00:43:14.320



current trends, but I also wonder what's gonna happen like92200:43:14.519 --> 00:43:16.480



ten or twenty years down the line, or even five92300:43:16.559 --> 00:43:18.840



years down the line if like you know, because we92400:43:18.840 --> 00:43:21.400



don't really have data like on like this is a92500:43:21.480 --> 00:43:24.199



whole brand new thing. The weights that these kids are doing.92600:43:25.039 --> 00:43:27.199



These kids are squading, you know, like I mentioned the kid,92700:43:27.440 --> 00:43:29.400



so my kind of goal with someone like Martin who's92800:43:29.400 --> 00:43:32.280



like these deadlifting eight hundred pounds at this point, just92900:43:32.280 --> 00:43:33.679



try to keep them as healthy as pop And I93000:43:33.679 --> 00:43:35.280



did this with Larry too, try to keep as healthy93100:43:35.320 --> 00:43:38.719



as possible for hey, like, there's risk in this, but93200:43:38.760 --> 00:43:41.039



at some point powerleul thing, you're gonna be done and93300:43:41.079 --> 00:43:42.400



you're gonna want to be in one piece.93400:43:42.519 --> 00:43:44.239



So have fun with it.93500:43:44.320 --> 00:43:47.079



But also just the kind of you know, with great93600:43:47.119 --> 00:43:50.400



power comes great responsibility, you know, the spider it's it's93700:43:50.440 --> 00:43:53.960



it's really and the and the stronger you get and93800:43:54.000 --> 00:43:55.840



the more influence you have over in the same thing93900:43:55.840 --> 00:43:57.920



with you know, with popularity and stuff like, I think94000:43:57.960 --> 00:44:00.400



people just need to be more careful with what they94100:44:00.400 --> 00:44:02.480



put out into the ether because these are people's bodies94200:44:02.480 --> 00:44:02.840



we're talking.94300:44:02.880 --> 00:44:04.280



I don't know, these are just not to be.94400:44:04.239 --> 00:44:06.000



Like the old grumpy guy, but these are just things94500:44:06.079 --> 00:44:09.119



I think about from someone that's been in the sport94600:44:09.199 --> 00:44:10.920



for a long time, and I love and I love it.94700:44:10.920 --> 00:44:12.320



I think people should do it, but I think you94800:44:12.400 --> 00:44:15.199



just need to proceed, you know, with with caution too.94900:44:15.400 --> 00:44:17.599



I don't know. So that's this kind of stuff.95000:44:17.360 --> 00:44:19.800



That's been on my mind lately, with seeing these young95100:44:19.880 --> 00:44:23.000



kids just do incredible things. But I just kind of wonder,95200:44:23.039 --> 00:44:26.079



what are the what are the downstream effects when they're95300:44:26.079 --> 00:44:29.320



no longer lifting or they're no longer competing anymore.95400:44:29.320 --> 00:44:31.480



I should say, Yeah.95500:44:30.920 --> 00:44:34.000



The breakpoint on competing for me was when it started95600:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.400



to affect the like the rest of my life. Like95700:44:37.519 --> 00:44:40.159



when I was you know, banged up and couldn't do95800:44:40.239 --> 00:44:42.559



things I wanted to do, couldn't sleep because my shoulder hurt,95900:44:42.599 --> 00:44:46.039



you know that, those those things, it's like, it's not96000:44:46.039 --> 00:44:49.639



worth it to me anymore. But past that point, but96100:44:49.679 --> 00:44:51.920



it went to the younger lifters. I think the point96200:44:52.079 --> 00:44:56.960



is that like the there isn't quite enough focus on96300:44:57.039 --> 00:45:05.280



injury prevention, and just like back in the in the96400:45:05.320 --> 00:45:09.719



geared you know, in the geared era, the younger lifters,96500:45:09.800 --> 00:45:14.400



they they some of them could do fantastic things and96600:45:14.440 --> 00:45:18.320



then just be gone because of you know, not just96700:45:18.400 --> 00:45:20.440



because they're they're like life change or whatever, because they96800:45:20.440 --> 00:45:22.079



were injured in such a way that they couldn't come96900:45:22.079 --> 00:45:24.519



back and hit the levels they did before, so there97000:45:24.559 --> 00:45:27.000



was no point for them to go on. And I97100:45:27.039 --> 00:45:31.480



think I see that now too in the tested federations97200:45:31.599 --> 00:45:34.159



you're you know, twenty two twenty three year old lifters97300:45:34.199 --> 00:45:37.599



who are are really coming up in the sport and97400:45:37.840 --> 00:45:42.039



then they are hitting it awfully hard and they're they're97500:45:42.079 --> 00:45:45.119



handling weights that their bodies are not quite ready for97600:45:45.119 --> 00:45:47.079



it because they've been training for you know, some of97700:45:47.119 --> 00:45:50.440



them two three or four years and not they don't97800:45:50.480 --> 00:45:55.760



have the a long enough base and uh and they97900:45:55.800 --> 00:45:59.400



just don't They just don't hold up overall. And then98000:45:59.400 --> 00:46:04.000



they know that has to compete also with the just98100:46:04.000 --> 00:46:06.440



just changing focus, you know, like they want to do98200:46:06.480 --> 00:46:09.679



something else. They realize that they're they're giving X number98300:46:09.719 --> 00:46:13.280



of hours a week two to powerlifting when they could98400:46:13.280 --> 00:46:16.320



be doing something else. You know, I think it just98500:46:16.599 --> 00:46:19.480



it it is hard for a young lifter to come up,98600:46:19.519 --> 00:46:21.760



be successful and have longevity in the sport.98700:46:24.159 --> 00:46:26.239



Yeah, And I think it's it's it's for me hard98800:46:26.280 --> 00:46:27.840



to kind of think about that when you're you know,98900:46:27.880 --> 00:46:30.360



maybe eighteen or nineteen, but like, do you want to99000:46:30.360 --> 00:46:31.519



be a flash in the pan? Do you want to99100:46:31.519 --> 00:46:33.559



do this a long time? So I kind of like recognized,99200:46:33.599 --> 00:46:36.960



like after I did my bodybuilding stan, I was like99300:46:37.239 --> 00:46:37.440



I was.99400:46:37.480 --> 00:46:38.119



Kind of missing it.99500:46:38.159 --> 00:46:39.519



So it was kind of cool that had that time99600:46:39.559 --> 00:46:41.159



off and the other thing I kind of realized, like,99700:46:41.920 --> 00:46:43.239



oh my shoulders feel like better?99800:46:43.280 --> 00:46:43.480



Am I?99900:46:43.519 --> 00:46:44.880



Like you know, you just kind of like you know,100000:46:44.960 --> 00:46:47.679



like it's just it's just like different something like where100100:46:49.320 --> 00:46:52.880



going back to like you know, athletics where you kind100200:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.800



of have this like general foundation, and I think that100300:46:56.559 --> 00:47:00.079



powerlifters make it like so like almost too specific to100400:47:00.079 --> 00:47:02.480



too soon. And like a lot of us, we probably100500:47:02.519 --> 00:47:04.760



grew up with Arnold and cycloped, we just kind of100600:47:04.760 --> 00:47:06.880



did more like kind of whether the workouts were good100700:47:06.960 --> 00:47:08.239



or not, we just did a lot of like just100800:47:08.280 --> 00:47:11.800



general stuff maybe PDE calisonics whatever. We didn't just like100900:47:12.000 --> 00:47:14.440



go to like SBD SBD like from the get go.101000:47:14.519 --> 00:47:15.360



We had a little bit more.101100:47:15.280 --> 00:47:19.960



General exposure to things. So I think sometimes just maybe101200:47:20.000 --> 00:47:22.920



taking some time off. So one of the things I101300:47:23.039 --> 00:47:24.559



like to do with our guys too is sometimes it101400:47:24.639 --> 00:47:27.079



is just like you know, and some listen, some don't.101500:47:27.079 --> 00:47:29.280



But like it could be two weeks, it could be101600:47:29.360 --> 00:47:31.360



one week, it could be three or four weeks, just101700:47:31.400 --> 00:47:34.199



do like some machines or some maybe they like strong101800:47:34.239 --> 00:47:36.679



man training, maybe they like you know, maybe they like101900:47:36.719 --> 00:47:40.360



to We have a girl she uh, she likes to102000:47:40.400 --> 00:47:42.320



do like swimming and running and stuff. So when she's102100:47:42.360 --> 00:47:44.559



like not competing, like she'll do a little bit more102200:47:44.559 --> 00:47:46.039



of that, you know, and then she'll kind of come102300:47:46.079 --> 00:47:46.920



back to powerlifting.102400:47:46.960 --> 00:47:49.000



And and again it's like if you're not.102500:47:48.920 --> 00:47:51.920



Like trying to break records, which most people are again102600:47:52.280 --> 00:47:53.960



calling a spade spade. Most people are not going to102700:47:54.000 --> 00:47:56.960



break an all time world records, just you know, uh,102800:47:57.280 --> 00:47:59.119



there's nothing wrong with like coming back to it at102900:47:59.119 --> 00:48:00.960



a later date and maybe having a little bit like103000:48:01.840 --> 00:48:03.719



have strength on the back burner for a little bit103100:48:03.880 --> 00:48:05.559



and maybe you have a little bit more endurance or103200:48:05.559 --> 00:48:09.800



like body composition focus. I think that's always a kind103300:48:09.800 --> 00:48:11.719



of a I try to encourage some of our lifters,103400:48:11.760 --> 00:48:14.119



you know, drop a little body fat after a meet,103500:48:14.199 --> 00:48:15.920



you know, maybe do a little bit more like up103600:48:15.960 --> 00:48:19.000



your cardio a little bit, just change your training stimulus.103700:48:19.320 --> 00:48:20.840



I think it's also just good for your brain just103800:48:20.840 --> 00:48:22.280



to kind of do and then you kind of kind103900:48:22.320 --> 00:48:24.480



of miss some of the heavy lifting, you kind of104000:48:24.519 --> 00:48:27.000



come back to it, so just kind of spreading out104100:48:27.280 --> 00:48:29.199



the training plan a little bit, so you're not always104200:48:29.280 --> 00:48:31.360



like I think, I don't know if you were guilty104300:48:31.360 --> 00:48:33.079



of this, but sometimes it's like okay, like when when's104400:48:33.119 --> 00:48:35.239



the next meet, you finishing meet, when's when's the next meet?104500:48:35.320 --> 00:48:37.039



Or you get right back to it like kind of104600:48:37.039 --> 00:48:37.480



too soon.104700:48:37.639 --> 00:48:40.840



Yeah, and that can kind of cause its own problem,104800:48:40.920 --> 00:48:44.320



especially you know, maybe your spines, like you know, was104900:48:44.400 --> 00:48:46.400



under a lot of stress, or you have some like105000:48:46.519 --> 00:48:49.519



nagging injuries that need to be taken care of. So105100:48:49.519 --> 00:48:52.440



so that's just something where you know, think it a105200:48:52.440 --> 00:48:54.880



little bit more long term, and you know, whether it's105300:48:54.920 --> 00:48:58.559



your training partners, your a sounding board a coach, try105400:48:58.559 --> 00:49:00.159



to have like a little bit more of like the105500:49:00.199 --> 00:49:01.840



long the long game in mind, which you know it's105600:49:01.880 --> 00:49:04.559



easier said than done, but it's good to like think105700:49:04.559 --> 00:49:05.239



about these things.105800:49:05.239 --> 00:49:06.719



If you do, if you do, if you're if your105900:49:06.719 --> 00:49:07.360



goal is to do this.106000:49:07.320 --> 00:49:10.960



For a long time, because ultimately, my belief is that106100:49:11.000 --> 00:49:12.760



if you can kind of stay in the sport longer106200:49:12.880 --> 00:49:16.199



or do this longer, you're gonna have a higher success.106300:49:16.960 --> 00:49:18.079



Yeah, you know, just.106400:49:19.800 --> 00:49:20.960



Just have it. You're just spreading it out.106500:49:20.960 --> 00:49:24.119



So again, my kind of feeling is, I don't know106600:49:24.159 --> 00:49:25.920



if you ever had a lot of conversations with a106700:49:27.280 --> 00:49:29.199



Brett Contrarast, but one of that we've we've had some106800:49:29.239 --> 00:49:31.920



conversations just about like kind of physiology and programming, and106900:49:32.639 --> 00:49:35.039



you know, when you increase your frequency, you're basically just107000:49:35.159 --> 00:49:38.239



kind of like speeding up the cycle his belief is107100:49:38.280 --> 00:49:41.639



and paraphrasing, But but if you increase your frequency, you107200:49:41.679 --> 00:49:45.400



also potentially increase like your your risk. So I my,107300:49:45.400 --> 00:49:47.280



my kind of if I had to like kind of107400:49:47.280 --> 00:49:50.199



put my money on it or make an assumption, I107500:49:50.239 --> 00:49:52.639



think the higher frequency lifters will just have a higher107600:49:53.079 --> 00:49:56.840



burnout rate if like you know, but also I think107700:49:56.880 --> 00:50:00.400



that they will hit their like potential like peak like sooner.107800:50:01.000 --> 00:50:02.559



So like you said, like a lot of I think,107900:50:02.599 --> 00:50:04.159



you know, we sort of you know, people like you know,108000:50:05.679 --> 00:50:07.400



you know, Stan Efforting is a good example, like he108100:50:07.480 --> 00:50:09.519



hit a world record, and like I think in his forties,108200:50:10.000 --> 00:50:12.320



we're seeing like those lifters kind of they might hit108300:50:12.360 --> 00:50:15.000



their peak at like twenty five instead a thirty five.108400:50:15.159 --> 00:50:17.679



You know, that's kind of my if I had to guess,108500:50:17.760 --> 00:50:22.519



that's kind of my that's kind of where But you know,108600:50:22.639 --> 00:50:24.079



I don't know, I could be wrong, but that's just108700:50:24.159 --> 00:50:25.719



kind of I think. I think that you're going to108800:50:25.760 --> 00:50:29.440



see a lot more turnover for this that style of training.108900:50:29.480 --> 00:50:31.480



But but you know, who knows.109000:50:31.840 --> 00:50:35.599



Yeah, I think I'm paraphrasing agg Cone when I say, like,109100:50:36.000 --> 00:50:40.679



you only have yeah, x number of of of x109200:50:40.800 --> 00:50:45.679



weight douglass in your in your body, and and and109300:50:45.880 --> 00:50:49.360



so if you burn them all at the beginning, or109400:50:49.360 --> 00:50:52.719



you burn them all in training or whatever, then then109500:50:52.960 --> 00:50:56.119



then you just don't have them anymore. That that. You know,109600:50:56.400 --> 00:51:00.639



I'm heavily paraphrasing here, but you get the idea that109700:51:01.760 --> 00:51:05.880



you just have to manage. You have to essentially, like109800:51:05.920 --> 00:51:08.719



it's load management. Basically, it's like load management for a109900:51:08.920 --> 00:51:12.679



for a longer term career powerlifting. There's just not the110000:51:12.920 --> 00:51:16.280



powerlifting has gotten not gotten into its load management area.110100:51:16.400 --> 00:51:22.639



I think to run things back for just a second,110200:51:22.639 --> 00:51:24.760



you said you were on teenage and early Like when110300:51:24.800 --> 00:51:25.400



were you there?110400:51:26.280 --> 00:51:30.599



Probably twenty twelve or so, twelve twenty thirteen.110500:51:31.119 --> 00:51:34.719



Yeah, so like, oh man, it's so it's so funny110600:51:34.719 --> 00:51:37.039



like when you start kind of like throwing names out110700:51:37.039 --> 00:51:37.639



there and stuff.110800:51:37.719 --> 00:51:45.519



So do you remember Peak? I think there's Peak Fitness110900:51:45.519 --> 00:51:46.159



in New York City.111000:51:46.199 --> 00:51:48.480



It's no longer a thing, but anyways, there was a111100:51:48.519 --> 00:51:51.119



lot of places I was kind of pretty connected also111200:51:51.280 --> 00:51:55.519



to just I would say general fitness. You know had111300:51:55.519 --> 00:51:57.480



like you know, people like Krusty and Mike Boyle, and111400:51:57.599 --> 00:51:59.360



because I was training athletes at the time, so I111500:51:59.400 --> 00:52:00.679



was kind of like I felt like I was in111600:52:00.719 --> 00:52:03.239



two worlds. Where I was in like the powerlifting world111700:52:03.360 --> 00:52:06.679



was like my personal playground, but then like my professional111800:52:06.679 --> 00:52:10.079



world was more trains, the conditioning, those sorts of things.111900:52:10.079 --> 00:52:14.840



So I kind of rubbed elbows with different people. Yeah,112000:52:14.880 --> 00:52:18.880



Like in twenty between like twenty ten and twenty twelve,112100:52:19.199 --> 00:52:20.880



I was kind of really up and coming. So like112200:52:20.920 --> 00:52:25.719



I went to do internship observational internship at Boyle's and Cressey's.112300:52:26.280 --> 00:52:27.119



Tony General Corp.112400:52:27.239 --> 00:52:28.559



Was there at the time, and I think that you112500:52:28.840 --> 00:52:32.360



know Tony pretty well, and I was just trying to112600:52:32.400 --> 00:52:34.079



like learn from as many people as possible. I was112700:52:34.159 --> 00:52:35.840



visiting a lot of gyms I went. I did my112800:52:35.880 --> 00:52:39.920



first CHIP trip to Westside Barbill I think on twenty twelve.112900:52:40.039 --> 00:52:42.360



I remember when like Louis Simmons like answered my email.113000:52:42.400 --> 00:52:45.760



I was like I cann't like believe it. And then113100:52:46.440 --> 00:52:48.599



and then slowly over time I just got more into113200:52:49.519 --> 00:52:51.480



you know, kind of powerlifting and went I went back113300:52:51.480 --> 00:52:54.320



to Westside in twenty seventeen for I spent a week there,113400:52:54.360 --> 00:52:57.599



but but Yeah, in that timeframe, there was like, you know,113500:52:57.679 --> 00:52:59.440



a lot of it was like, you know, the powerlifting people,113600:52:59.480 --> 00:53:01.039



and there was more like the general fitness people and113700:53:01.320 --> 00:53:04.840



the strength of conditioning crowd, and it was just like113800:53:04.880 --> 00:53:08.320



one of those things where I felt like, I don't know,113900:53:08.360 --> 00:53:09.719



it's like kind of it was kind of like a114000:53:09.719 --> 00:53:11.599



little bit of your stand of approval. So at the time,114100:53:11.639 --> 00:53:13.199



I was trying to make a name for myself get114200:53:13.239 --> 00:53:17.079



more established. Yeah, and that's where all the great coaches,114300:53:17.159 --> 00:53:20.039



the Dan Johns of the world, and you know, the Cresses,114400:53:20.119 --> 00:53:22.960



the Boyles and you know, and all those people like114500:53:23.079 --> 00:53:25.599



Jim Wendler, like everyone was this kind of on teenation.114600:53:25.760 --> 00:53:28.840



So I felt like that was just a natural you know,114700:53:29.320 --> 00:53:31.159



I don't know, if nothing else, I kind of met114800:53:31.159 --> 00:53:32.679



a lot of people through there, and I think a lot.114900:53:32.599 --> 00:53:36.320



Of us before social media, like the forums and in115000:53:36.400 --> 00:53:36.840



different things.115100:53:36.880 --> 00:53:38.519



That was just kind of how you communicated and got115200:53:38.519 --> 00:53:41.679



ideas from people, and it was cool. It definitely has115300:53:41.760 --> 00:53:44.920



changed over the years, and yeah, so I was kind115400:53:44.960 --> 00:53:47.000



of like in between like different circles and then slowly,115500:53:47.039 --> 00:53:51.800



i'd say, like around like twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, like115600:53:51.840 --> 00:53:54.079



when 'ra awlifting started to really emerge as like the115700:53:54.159 --> 00:53:57.079



prominent like force and powerlifting. Then a lot of my115800:53:57.159 --> 00:54:00.760



wrestlers started to graduate and I and I was like,115900:54:00.840 --> 00:54:03.480



so in twenty twelve, it was like our first like116000:54:03.559 --> 00:54:06.599



kind of parallating competition like as a team. So I116100:54:06.639 --> 00:54:07.960



was like, hey, why don't you guys just do this116200:54:08.039 --> 00:54:12.119



meat with me? Like you guys aren't wrestling anymore. And116300:54:12.119 --> 00:54:13.800



that was kind of like how our team was formed116400:54:13.840 --> 00:54:16.880



and then and then kind of the rest was history.116500:54:16.880 --> 00:54:19.000



And I think, yeah, I think around like twenty fourteen116600:54:20.519 --> 00:54:23.400



was when you know, kind of Larry was getting on116700:54:23.440 --> 00:54:25.880



the scene and you know, we went to Boss Barbell116800:54:25.920 --> 00:54:28.360



Club and we had the meet at Jesse Burdick's gym,116900:54:28.400 --> 00:54:30.760



and it's just there was a lot of great times117000:54:30.800 --> 00:54:32.440



in California. I'll say a lot of a lot of117100:54:32.440 --> 00:54:34.840



the big meats were on the West Coast, as you know.117200:54:35.280 --> 00:54:36.960



Yeah, and there was a lot of there's a lot117300:54:36.960 --> 00:54:37.760



of history there.117400:54:37.679 --> 00:54:39.679



Like a lot of the world records were broken on117500:54:39.960 --> 00:54:42.800



the West Coast, and I believe like a lot of117600:54:42.800 --> 00:54:45.480



the meats that you were a part of and everyone117700:54:45.519 --> 00:54:47.880



else like that was I think that really kind of117800:54:47.880 --> 00:54:52.519



put parallating in a different, different level, in terms of participation,117900:54:52.599 --> 00:54:56.679



in terms of awareness. It's just really interesting to see118000:54:56.679 --> 00:55:00.239



like kind of where it's gone and how the culture118100:55:00.039 --> 00:55:01.440



a shifted. But it was a really it was a118200:55:01.480 --> 00:55:03.639



really fun time to be like in the sport.118300:55:04.039 --> 00:55:04.239



You know.118400:55:04.280 --> 00:55:06.599



It's funny most of the people who are members of118500:55:06.599 --> 00:55:09.719



this gym have like literally like no idea about any118600:55:09.760 --> 00:55:12.480



of that history, about my history, about Mike, and you know,118700:55:12.599 --> 00:55:14.519



they just don't don't know. It's like, wait a minute,118800:55:14.519 --> 00:55:16.880



you guys did a podcast before, or you do a118900:55:16.880 --> 00:55:18.840



podcast now that most a lot of our members don't119000:55:18.880 --> 00:55:24.719



even get that we that this this happens. I yeah,119100:55:24.760 --> 00:55:27.440



I My experience with teenage started in like two thousand119200:55:27.440 --> 00:55:30.800



and three and really kind of just went through probably119300:55:30.880 --> 00:55:33.960



two thousand and six, two thousand and seven is but119400:55:34.119 --> 00:55:35.960



like I was part of even part of a splinter119500:55:36.039 --> 00:55:40.199



group that went to another site, uh, and that included119600:55:40.760 --> 00:55:44.039



Eric Kressy and totally general Core and those you know,119700:55:44.280 --> 00:55:46.800



and Joel Barry in and and a lot of a119800:55:46.840 --> 00:55:51.880



lot of people that are very recognizable now, like people119900:55:51.920 --> 00:55:54.119



who made names for themselves can be stuck in it.120000:55:54.159 --> 00:55:56.840



And when I when I started, I had no intention120100:55:57.320 --> 00:56:00.119



of being involved in the industry at all. I was120200:56:00.119 --> 00:56:01.719



just trying to lift, you know, I was just just120300:56:01.760 --> 00:56:03.400



trying to figure it out, especially when I was like,120400:56:04.039 --> 00:56:08.920



you know, forty almost at that point, and so actually120500:56:08.960 --> 00:56:12.199



I was forty that year. So yeah, like it was120600:56:13.480 --> 00:56:16.840



a very late in lightlifter life, late in life lifter120700:56:17.920 --> 00:56:22.719



as a serious lifter, you know, and that that that120800:56:22.840 --> 00:56:26.320



was over, you know, in like ten years, ten twelve years.120900:56:27.159 --> 00:56:28.639



That's the most I could do. I think the most121000:56:28.719 --> 00:56:30.360



we were talking about the number of meats, Like I121100:56:30.360 --> 00:56:33.119



think the number the most meats that I did in121200:56:33.119 --> 00:56:35.760



a year was three, and that was a lot. That121300:56:35.880 --> 00:56:38.960



was like a whole lot.121400:56:39.559 --> 00:56:39.760



Yeah.121500:56:39.960 --> 00:56:42.239



I think that if you're especially if you're really kind121600:56:42.239 --> 00:56:44.320



of like hitting the gas, like as you get older,121700:56:44.400 --> 00:56:48.119



like maybe you have like one serious meat and then one.121800:56:48.000 --> 00:56:49.480



Like kind of fun meat.121900:56:49.599 --> 00:56:52.039



Yeah, yeah, that's kind of like and then and then122000:56:52.039 --> 00:56:53.480



again with the single lifts up, I think you can122100:56:53.519 --> 00:56:56.480



kind of compete a little bit more often. But but yeah,122200:56:56.480 --> 00:56:59.119



full competition is a lot once you kind of you know,122300:56:59.199 --> 00:57:00.719



especially when you get some serious.122400:57:00.400 --> 00:57:02.079



Weight and you start getting a little mileage on you.122500:57:03.320 --> 00:57:06.239



Yeah, I see some of these people, like you look122600:57:06.239 --> 00:57:07.679



at their open power lifting and you're.122700:57:07.599 --> 00:57:09.320



Like, how are you?122800:57:09.360 --> 00:57:11.159



But some people just you know, they may be they122900:57:11.199 --> 00:57:13.079



have good recovery genetics or they just really take care123000:57:13.119 --> 00:57:13.679



of themselves.123100:57:13.679 --> 00:57:15.199



But yeah, it's a lot.123200:57:16.280 --> 00:57:20.440



Yeah, So you were talking about about strict Curl and123300:57:20.679 --> 00:57:23.079



you had told me a few days ago that you're123400:57:23.119 --> 00:57:26.239



doing a strict Curl meet out here someplace or in La.123500:57:27.199 --> 00:57:30.679



It's gonna be at Larry Wheel's Jim It's an one's123600:57:31.239 --> 00:57:36.119



Clairemont we have. It's really it's really incredible. It's so123700:57:36.239 --> 00:57:41.719



like funny. How So a little bit of background, So123800:57:41.840 --> 00:57:44.800



what twenty twenty was a really interesting time because people123900:57:44.840 --> 00:57:48.119



were just like looking for stuff to do. And I124000:57:48.159 --> 00:57:50.960



don't want to like give Larry credit for this, but124100:57:51.199 --> 00:57:52.440



I think he was certainly part of I don't know,124200:57:52.519 --> 00:57:55.280



do you ever Do you ever follow Nick Strength and124300:57:55.360 --> 00:57:57.639



Power It's a YouTube channel like kind of bodybuilding news124400:57:57.679 --> 00:57:59.320



and anyways.124500:57:59.639 --> 00:58:00.880



Popular new YouTube channel.124600:58:00.880 --> 00:58:04.079



It's it's mostly bodybuilding stuff, but he also, uh sometimes124700:58:04.159 --> 00:58:06.360



he'll kind of report on strong man and powerlifting and124800:58:07.280 --> 00:58:08.920



you know, just it's just kind of like a like124900:58:09.360 --> 00:58:12.320



a strength news, strength and fitness news channel kind of thing.125000:58:12.360 --> 00:58:15.800



But so Larry among others were like kind of just125100:58:16.079 --> 00:58:17.519



it was one of those things where like he just125200:58:17.719 --> 00:58:19.960



was like I'm gonna max out on strict Curl and125300:58:20.800 --> 00:58:22.880



you got like one kind of viral and then all125400:58:22.920 --> 00:58:25.360



these different people, these NFL people were like doing strict125500:58:25.360 --> 00:58:26.800



curl and like it was like, you know, they had125600:58:26.840 --> 00:58:28.960



people over. It was just kind of like a thing125700:58:29.039 --> 00:58:31.760



for a little bit. And strict curl has always been125800:58:31.840 --> 00:58:35.360



kind of around, you know. CT Fletcher like had the125900:58:35.599 --> 00:58:41.119



American records for like at one point. And uh So126000:58:41.320 --> 00:58:43.199



besides like the I S c A, which is like126100:58:43.440 --> 00:58:45.039



CT Fletcher's kind of meet that was kind of like126200:58:45.039 --> 00:58:47.039



a once a year kind of thing. And there's a126300:58:47.039 --> 00:58:50.039



guy in San Diego, Dave Depew and a grinder Jim126400:58:50.119 --> 00:58:53.119



And actually I don't know if you ever stay in126500:58:53.119 --> 00:58:53.639



touch with a J.126600:58:53.800 --> 00:58:54.880



Roberts, but he kind of.126700:58:55.519 --> 00:58:59.440



You know what I should I've been I should he126800:58:59.480 --> 00:59:00.880



was part of that early group of people.126900:59:01.000 --> 00:59:01.159



Yeah.127000:59:01.239 --> 00:59:04.559



Yeah, I'm actually, well, hope my plan is to connect127100:59:04.599 --> 00:59:06.119



with eight because I've been more in touch with him127200:59:06.119 --> 00:59:08.119



because he's starting to run meets and coach a little127300:59:08.159 --> 00:59:08.400



bit more.127400:59:08.440 --> 00:59:10.199



But AJ's gonna also.127500:59:10.159 --> 00:59:13.880



Kind of link up with us in January seventeenth when127600:59:13.920 --> 00:59:16.840



we go down anyway, it's just kind of like kind127700:59:16.840 --> 00:59:19.239



of you know, one of those guys that's like well127800:59:19.239 --> 00:59:21.400



connected in like the west that West Side community, and127900:59:21.440 --> 00:59:23.639



he's a good dude and you know, someone I consider128000:59:23.719 --> 00:59:28.559



a friend. But so so yeah, so all of this128100:59:29.159 --> 00:59:32.000



different federation started popping up in twenty twenty one, and128200:59:32.039 --> 00:59:37.760



I had one of my guys, his name is John Archibald.128300:59:36.039 --> 00:59:37.159



I want to do this strict curl meet.128400:59:37.159 --> 00:59:40.039



And I'm like, I've I did a power curl meet128500:59:40.079 --> 00:59:43.599



like when I was like eighteen, in this WNPF organization.128600:59:43.679 --> 00:59:45.440



But I was like, I don't really know how to128700:59:45.440 --> 00:59:46.960



prep for it. I don't even know if it's safe.128800:59:46.960 --> 00:59:48.599



I don't know if you're going to tear your bicep.128900:59:48.679 --> 00:59:52.360



But yeah, see of those, I'm like, I guess we'll129000:59:52.360 --> 00:59:54.199



try him and see what happens and hope, you know,129100:59:54.440 --> 00:59:57.440



hope that. So anyways, he ended up doing pretty well.129200:59:57.480 --> 00:59:59.800



I think he curled like one sixty five. One seventy129300:59:59.920 --> 01:00:03.559



was a big number. And they started to host us.129401:00:03.599 --> 01:00:05.559



They had some striccurl meets at the Arnold. So we've129501:00:05.559 --> 01:00:08.440



we've been going we've always been going to the Arnold.129601:00:08.440 --> 01:00:09.880



That's a whole other thing. We've been going to the129701:00:09.960 --> 01:00:13.199



Arnold for power litting for for years, so I'm like,129801:00:13.239 --> 01:00:14.760



I felt like kind of a little bit like washed up.129901:00:14.800 --> 01:00:16.559



I'm like, now I'm coaching people for strict curl at130001:00:16.559 --> 01:00:16.960



the Arnold.130101:00:16.960 --> 01:00:19.360



This seems like kind of this seems kind of lame,130201:00:19.440 --> 01:00:22.800



but any but anyways, I digress. So, so we had130301:00:22.840 --> 01:00:25.599



Big John started to do really well. So now fast forward.130401:00:27.079 --> 01:00:29.239



Big John recently curled two hundred and ten pounds, is130501:00:29.280 --> 01:00:32.079



one of the top curlers in the country. We have130601:00:32.119 --> 01:00:38.000



another guy, Ed Joseph. Ed Joseph has records in different federations.130701:00:38.000 --> 01:00:40.039



In the one twenty he's curled one twenty eight at130801:00:40.039 --> 01:00:42.679



one twenty three body weight, which is crazy. And then130901:00:42.679 --> 01:00:45.199



he's done around like I think one thirty five and131001:00:45.239 --> 01:00:47.360



like the one thirty two weight classes, so he's done131101:00:47.400 --> 01:00:50.360



over a bodyweight curl in two different weight classes. My131201:00:50.400 --> 01:00:52.840



wife's curled over one hundred pounds. We have another girl,131301:00:52.880 --> 01:00:55.760



Hannah's curled over one hundred pounds. So anyways, it's starting131401:00:55.760 --> 01:00:57.920



to be like more competitive. And there's like this World131501:00:58.159 --> 01:01:01.679



World Championships in Virginia Beach, so one of the things.131601:01:01.679 --> 01:01:05.000



So most of this is just a whole aside note131701:01:05.039 --> 01:01:06.719



that we need not not that we need to get131801:01:06.719 --> 01:01:09.880



into this whole uh kind of tested untested thing. But131901:01:10.599 --> 01:01:12.960



what I kind of noticed for a strict CURL is132001:01:12.960 --> 01:01:15.760



that majority of the meats are drug tested meats only132101:01:16.400 --> 01:01:18.719



vast majority of drug tested, so which which is cool132201:01:18.760 --> 01:01:20.880



and I have no problem with it. But now with132301:01:20.920 --> 01:01:23.840



the advent of peptides and TRT and all this stuff,132401:01:24.840 --> 01:01:26.440



I just think it's good to have options for everyone132501:01:26.440 --> 01:01:28.480



because then also it kind of limits like cheating and stuff,132601:01:28.519 --> 01:01:31.239



because it's one of those things where you know, I132701:01:31.239 --> 01:01:33.320



think for sport and for records, and obviously you know,132801:01:33.400 --> 01:01:35.719



as you know, you could take that stuff too far.132901:01:35.800 --> 01:01:37.519



But I do think there is like a medical and133001:01:37.559 --> 01:01:39.760



that again that's a you know, a whole other can133101:01:39.800 --> 01:01:43.000



of worms, but a lot like someone like myself, like133201:01:43.000 --> 01:01:44.280



I just want to have fun. I don't want to133301:01:44.280 --> 01:01:46.880



have to worry about like getting my underwear checked, pissing133401:01:46.920 --> 01:01:49.880



in a cup, like I just want to susteriously. It's133501:01:49.960 --> 01:01:52.960



like not to as throciate it any federations.133601:01:52.960 --> 01:01:55.239



But again, the underwear thing is the strangest shit.133701:01:55.960 --> 01:01:57.840



It's like it's always the thing I bring up because133801:01:57.840 --> 01:02:00.679



it's like we could change the rule book. Guys, it's133901:02:00.719 --> 01:02:04.880



totally you guys have like it's really not. But so134001:02:05.079 --> 01:02:06.960



like for me at this point in my like life,134101:02:07.559 --> 01:02:10.280



being twenty years into competing, like I'm just not interested134201:02:10.320 --> 01:02:13.079



in like doing that personally, and most of our lifters134301:02:13.119 --> 01:02:15.360



are just they just want to do this for fun. Yeah,134401:02:15.400 --> 01:02:18.960



So we started a Strict Curl Federation in the Strict134501:02:18.960 --> 01:02:21.079



Curl Division in the rps that we're getting. We have134601:02:21.119 --> 01:02:23.039



a lot of meats in uh, We're having one in134701:02:23.360 --> 01:02:25.639



New England, We're having some in New York and Delaware,134801:02:26.880 --> 01:02:28.519



look at the potentially do one in Kentucky.134901:02:29.679 --> 01:02:31.840



But yeah, we wanted to bring one to Larry Wheels Jamis.135001:02:31.840 --> 01:02:33.559



We have one of some of the top strict We135101:02:33.639 --> 01:02:35.639



have a couple of guys curling over two hundred pounds.135201:02:36.639 --> 01:02:38.239



We have a couple of guys that are in the135301:02:38.320 --> 01:02:40.679



lighterweight classes that can curl like their body weight or more.135401:02:41.280 --> 01:02:43.239



We're trying to get a few more females on the roster.135501:02:43.320 --> 01:02:45.760



But it's just kind of again, it's an exciting thing.135601:02:46.519 --> 01:02:49.079



Anyone could really get an easy bar, find a wall.135701:02:49.159 --> 01:02:52.400



It's very accessible. You don't need calibrated plates. You don't need.135801:02:53.719 --> 01:02:55.599



To buy two hundred dollars knee sleeves.135901:02:55.639 --> 01:02:58.920



You could just you could just you need an easy136001:02:59.199 --> 01:03:01.199



Most people like five into an easy bar for free,136101:03:01.239 --> 01:03:04.119



like you know, like in their home you see an136201:03:04.119 --> 01:03:06.239



easy bar to I don't know if you follow massonmics,136301:03:06.280 --> 01:03:09.559



but they say like easy bart is a peers in136401:03:09.599 --> 01:03:11.039



your home gym. You don't even have to do anything.136501:03:12.760 --> 01:03:14.719



We have one. I have no idea where it came from.136601:03:14.840 --> 01:03:16.679



It's like I didn't buy it, so.136701:03:17.360 --> 01:03:19.480



Just just appears, so like you don't even need to136801:03:19.480 --> 01:03:21.119



get a bar. It's just gonna. It's just gonna. The136901:03:21.159 --> 01:03:22.639



bar is gonna find you.137001:03:23.599 --> 01:03:25.880



But anyway, so we wanted to provide a meat that137101:03:25.960 --> 01:03:29.079



was more accessible to people. You don't need a lot137201:03:29.119 --> 01:03:30.880



of time. You could, you could train it once a week.137301:03:31.000 --> 01:03:33.440



You don't need to like have if you have n problems,137401:03:33.440 --> 01:03:36.280



back problems. So, uh, it's just been something that's been137501:03:36.320 --> 01:03:38.400



really fun and we wanted to have. So we're gonna137601:03:38.440 --> 01:03:40.239



and I think obviously Larry is a big name, so137701:03:41.239 --> 01:03:43.119



we just want to promote more strength sports. And one137801:03:43.159 --> 01:03:45.440



of the things that we're trying to do it's just137901:03:45.559 --> 01:03:47.360



kind of make it like a lower barrier of entry.138001:03:47.360 --> 01:03:48.079



It's still competitive.138101:03:48.079 --> 01:03:49.880



We're still gonna keep records, you can still kind of138201:03:49.880 --> 01:03:53.159



We're gonna have a nationals for strict curl next June138301:03:53.320 --> 01:03:56.880



and uh in a Newcastle, Delaware, So you can take138401:03:56.880 --> 01:03:58.880



it as serious as you want, just like powerlifting. But138501:03:58.920 --> 01:04:02.199



again it's it's a lower cost on your body and138601:04:02.960 --> 01:04:03.719



it's just like fun.138701:04:03.760 --> 01:04:04.159



It's just fun.138801:04:04.239 --> 01:04:05.719



You get just you know, it's like okay, like how138901:04:05.760 --> 01:04:07.639



much you know, just like how much you bench. It's like,139001:04:08.280 --> 01:04:09.880



all right, well how much can you curl? And just139101:04:09.960 --> 01:04:11.840



kind of like do a fun thing. And what I139201:04:11.880 --> 01:04:16.320



was very surprised on because of the nature of some139301:04:16.360 --> 01:04:18.440



of the bars and stuff. A lot of the competition139401:04:18.519 --> 01:04:19.800



bars you can have a little bit more of like139501:04:20.039 --> 01:04:23.440



a pronated grip and so your biceps a little bit139601:04:23.480 --> 01:04:26.719



less exposed, and it's it's it's relatively Again there's risk139701:04:26.800 --> 01:04:29.119



in anything you do, but in terms of like worst139801:04:29.159 --> 01:04:31.199



case it happens if you strain your form or bicef,139901:04:31.239 --> 01:04:32.599



you kind of set it down. You're not gonna like140001:04:33.199 --> 01:04:35.119



have a thousand pounds like top of or even like140101:04:35.239 --> 01:04:37.519



even the strongest guys that are calling two hundred pounds140201:04:38.119 --> 01:04:40.840



the absolute weight is so much lower. So I just140301:04:40.840 --> 01:04:43.639



think psychologically it's just like not as taxing on you,140401:04:43.960 --> 01:04:45.519



like getting under like a big squad.140501:04:45.599 --> 01:04:47.760



It's like, you know, it's like you got to be140601:04:47.800 --> 01:04:48.320



like up for.140701:04:48.320 --> 01:04:48.920



That, you know.140801:04:49.519 --> 01:04:52.000



So there's like a psychological toll and there's a physical140901:04:52.000 --> 01:04:55.880



toll to like the final compression. So I think again,141001:04:55.880 --> 01:04:58.679



a lot of people think it's my buddy, uh Chris141101:04:58.800 --> 01:05:01.639



he Owensburg and County. Well, he's a really good multiply lifter,141201:05:01.760 --> 01:05:03.519



and he busts my chops all the time. He's like,141301:05:03.519 --> 01:05:06.880



there's nothing more lame than competitive biceps curling. But but uh,141401:05:06.920 --> 01:05:08.559



but you know, it's a fun thing and like I've141501:05:08.559 --> 01:05:10.400



been enjoying it. My wife's really good at it. We141601:05:10.440 --> 01:05:12.480



have a bunch of people that are kind of nationally141701:05:13.159 --> 01:05:15.920



kind of ranked, and it'll be our first one in141801:05:15.960 --> 01:05:18.480



the on the West coast. We're gonna we want to141901:05:18.480 --> 01:05:20.239



try to do more stuff at Larry Gym because we142001:05:20.320 --> 01:05:23.000



think that now he's like such a he's kind of142101:05:23.039 --> 01:05:25.239



like transcended powerlifting a bit at this point and he's142201:05:25.280 --> 01:05:26.320



more like mainstream.142301:05:26.440 --> 01:05:28.039



He's more mainstream now for sure.142401:05:27.880 --> 01:05:30.760



And it's kind of cool that, you know, powerlifting and142501:05:30.760 --> 01:05:32.559



strength sports is kind of his roots. We want to142601:05:32.599 --> 01:05:34.159



kind of like expose is a little bit more of142701:05:34.159 --> 01:05:36.079



a general audience to like, hey, this is something you142801:05:36.159 --> 01:05:39.320



could do help with your muscle mass, bone density, whatever.142901:05:39.360 --> 01:05:41.639



It's something fun because I think at the end of143001:05:41.639 --> 01:05:43.400



the day, like if it gets people to the gym143101:05:43.400 --> 01:05:46.840



and they're excited about it. And in terms of like143201:05:46.880 --> 01:05:50.440



that meat on January seventeenth, we're gonna have some of143301:05:50.480 --> 01:05:52.119



the best stric crowers in the country, so it'll be143401:05:52.199 --> 01:05:54.480



like a good show. And what's nice about strick crow143501:05:54.599 --> 01:05:56.960



is you're not gonna be there all day till like143601:05:57.039 --> 01:06:00.840



nine o'clock at night. It's a it's very fast, and143701:06:00.880 --> 01:06:02.760



that's something that I've kind of said a while. I143801:06:02.760 --> 01:06:04.880



think if if power lifting really wanted to be like143901:06:04.880 --> 01:06:08.400



a spectator sport, he's got to somehow figure out a144001:06:08.400 --> 01:06:10.679



way to shorten the competition or do like single lifts144101:06:10.719 --> 01:06:13.760



type stuff because it's just it's just too long.144201:06:13.800 --> 01:06:14.800



It's just hard to follow.144301:06:15.280 --> 01:06:17.559



But something like strict crow which is a single lift thing,144401:06:17.599 --> 01:06:21.719



it's uh and because the absolute poundage is lower, it144501:06:21.880 --> 01:06:23.639



just makes the event you don't need to you don't144601:06:23.639 --> 01:06:25.920



need like you don't need a thousand pounds worth of plates.144701:06:27.199 --> 01:06:29.840



You may maybe maybe you need two hundred pounds, maybe144801:06:29.840 --> 01:06:33.000



two twenty, and you just don't need a lot of spotterers.144901:06:33.039 --> 01:06:35.800



It's very safe, you know, you're not because sometimes even145001:06:35.840 --> 01:06:38.159



when you get to those thousand pounds squats, uh, the145101:06:38.199 --> 01:06:39.559



spotters are in danger too.145201:06:40.000 --> 01:06:42.920



Oh yeah, absolutely, I've seen somebody basically lose part of145301:06:42.960 --> 01:06:45.280



a finger and just.145401:06:45.199 --> 01:06:48.920



That's uh yeah, it gets, it gets, it gets really sketchy.145501:06:48.960 --> 01:06:50.920



And that's one thing I'm just not a big fan of.145601:06:51.760 --> 01:06:53.800



There's a lot of things I like about tested powerlifting,145701:06:53.880 --> 01:06:56.119



the IPF, but the combo rocks is not like my145801:06:56.159 --> 01:06:59.199



favorite thing for safe for safety for big guys, it's145901:06:59.199 --> 01:07:01.639



not you know, but you know, I don't know. This146001:07:01.679 --> 01:07:03.400



is not a lot if someone kind of like tear146101:07:03.519 --> 01:07:05.400



something with a big squad, there's just not a lot.146201:07:05.480 --> 01:07:08.360



Uh. But but yeah, we're real excited for it.146301:07:08.400 --> 01:07:09.960



And like I said, it's just there's a lot of146401:07:10.039 --> 01:07:11.960



history in California and we're he's hoping to bring more146501:07:12.480 --> 01:07:14.440



strength sports to the area and just more stuff, and146601:07:14.440 --> 01:07:16.840



I think using Lowry is kind of a vehicle to146701:07:16.880 --> 01:07:19.880



help promote it and just get more people involved, like146801:07:19.960 --> 01:07:22.639



just getting under you know, the barbell that's kind of146901:07:22.679 --> 01:07:24.400



like our goal with like our events, and just kind147001:07:24.400 --> 01:07:25.679



of make it just a little bit more fun, a147101:07:25.719 --> 01:07:28.360



little bit more accessible, you know, to the average person.147201:07:29.320 --> 01:07:31.000



I think it's kind of a throwback to the old147301:07:31.440 --> 01:07:33.760



the odd lifts where powerlifting and strong man came from147401:07:33.840 --> 01:07:36.199



in the first place. And I know that APA did147501:07:36.360 --> 01:07:38.400



used to do strict curl a long time ago.147601:07:38.800 --> 01:07:40.880



That's so funny. So do you want to know what147701:07:40.920 --> 01:07:45.760



my last competition was an APA strict curl me? We147801:07:45.800 --> 01:07:49.559



did Mister America. So it's so funny because apparently I147901:07:49.559 --> 01:07:53.039



didn't know they were still around. But my buddy I148001:07:53.119 --> 01:07:57.440



just met him, Robbie, He's like, yeah, it's like APA,148101:07:57.480 --> 01:07:58.679



we're like the oldest federation.148201:07:58.760 --> 01:08:00.280



I'm like, I didn't know you guys were still around.148301:08:00.400 --> 01:08:01.639



So uh.148401:08:01.679 --> 01:08:03.880



They they use like the regular like kind of easy148501:08:03.920 --> 01:08:06.159



bar and it was a lot, it was a lot harder,148601:08:06.920 --> 01:08:08.280



it was a lot. It was a lot of fun.148701:08:08.639 --> 01:08:10.280



But yeah, it was just funny because I'm like, I148801:08:10.280 --> 01:08:12.039



didn't know the APA was like still around, but yeah,148901:08:12.079 --> 01:08:14.440



apparently they're they're like the oldest federation and they were149001:08:15.039 --> 01:08:16.680



the first. Uh, because I was looking at some of149101:08:16.680 --> 01:08:19.319



their record their international records, they're pretty like serious.149201:08:19.800 --> 01:08:21.279



So it must have been from back in the day.149301:08:21.399 --> 01:08:23.680



Some like crazy uh I don't.149401:08:23.479 --> 01:08:25.479



Know, genetic freaks.149501:08:25.439 --> 01:08:28.319



Some Russian like freaks or something, you know, like uh,149601:08:28.439 --> 01:08:30.479



you know, just like we're crowing like two hundred pounds149701:08:30.560 --> 01:08:32.279



or something. I'm like, but but it was cool. It149801:08:32.319 --> 01:08:34.920



was fun, Like I said, it just uh, it's just149901:08:34.960 --> 01:08:38.279



like it's just the psychological and physical costs is just150001:08:38.319 --> 01:08:41.960



so much lower. But you could just still have fun150101:08:42.000 --> 01:08:43.960



and lift some weight and and not be afraid that150201:08:43.960 --> 01:08:45.199



you're going to like cripple yourself.150301:08:45.279 --> 01:08:49.960



So you know, yeah, well, I mean I have no150401:08:50.039 --> 01:08:52.439



reason in my mind why it wouldn't just you know,150501:08:52.680 --> 01:08:55.359



grow in popularity. If you think about in the last150601:08:55.439 --> 01:08:57.960



like five to seven years, handlifting has gotten to be150701:08:58.000 --> 01:09:02.760



a big thing, and like it's that's more your I mean,150801:09:02.800 --> 01:09:06.119



that's that's more of a strain than than a strict150901:09:06.159 --> 01:09:08.000



curl would be. It seems like a strict curl the151001:09:08.000 --> 01:09:10.439



barrier to entry is a lot lower.151101:09:11.000 --> 01:09:12.359



Yeah.151201:09:12.439 --> 01:09:16.479



Yeah, well thanks for coming on with me. Where can151301:09:16.479 --> 01:09:17.399



people find you? John?151401:09:18.279 --> 01:09:20.920



Yeah, I'm at Gaglion Strength and all the social media's151501:09:21.159 --> 01:09:22.960



but yeah, just give us a follow up, mostly active151601:09:22.960 --> 01:09:25.399



on social We also got a pretty active YouTube channel151701:09:26.680 --> 01:09:29.840



more longerform stuff, and we also have a podcast called151801:09:29.840 --> 01:09:32.800



Paralleating for the People, and we kind of talk all things,151901:09:33.079 --> 01:09:33.399



you know.152001:09:33.439 --> 01:09:35.800



Strength related, because at the end of the day, we.152101:09:35.720 --> 01:09:37.880



Just want to make strength training and parating accessible for152201:09:37.920 --> 01:09:40.000



as many people as we can, Like I said, not152301:09:40.079 --> 01:09:41.720



just for like the genetic freaks of the world, but152401:09:41.800 --> 01:09:43.880



just for like the everyday people as well.152501:09:43.880 --> 01:09:44.960



And I appreciate you coming on.152601:09:45.119 --> 01:09:46.640



It was great to kind of catch up with you, and,152701:09:46.680 --> 01:09:47.800



like I said, a lot of my a lot of152801:09:47.800 --> 01:09:50.399



great memories we kind of shared together. Yeah, on the152901:09:50.880 --> 01:09:54.359



West Coast, and I'm excited to be coming back soon.153001:09:55.239 --> 01:09:57.159



I think we should have coordinate a wardrobe because I153101:09:57.359 --> 01:10:00.239



was wearing a shirt that did not have sleeves before153201:10:00.279 --> 01:10:02.199



I sat down here, but I changed my shirt and153301:10:02.279 --> 01:10:06.399



I've made a hideous mistake. Anyway, I am at dj153401:10:06.479 --> 01:10:08.840



McDon all the social media. This show is fifty percent facts.153501:10:08.840 --> 01:10:10.640



For a percent is a word in fifty is just numbers.153601:10:10.640 --> 01:10:13.159



Fifty percent facts in speaker Pine Podcast associates with o153701:10:13.199 --> 01:10:15.399



Art Media on the Obscure Celebrity Network. And I will153801:10:15.439 --> 01:10:17.119



talk to you again sure153901:10:18.920 --> 01:10:40.039



Thanks man, yeah,