Oct. 22, 2025

John Gaglione: The Evolution of Powerlifting Culture

John Gaglione: The Evolution of Powerlifting Culture
Apple Podcasts podcast player badge
Spotify podcast player badge
Goodpods podcast player badge
Audible podcast player badge
iHeartRadio podcast player badge
Podchaser podcast player badge
RSS Feed podcast player badge
Castro podcast player badge
Apple Podcasts podcast player icon Spotify podcast player icon Goodpods podcast player icon Audible podcast player icon iHeartRadio podcast player icon Podchaser podcast player icon RSS Feed podcast player icon Castro podcast player icon

John Gaglione joins to discuss the evolution of powerlifting, coaching philosophies, and the importance of community in strength training. They explore the challenges of weight loss expectations, the significance of performance goals, and the shift in training approaches over the years. John shares his experiences in bodybuilding and the impact it had on his powerlifting journey, while also emphasizing the need for realistic expectations in fitness. The discussion also touches on the rise of strict curl competitions and the accessibility of strength sports, highlighting the importance of making fitness enjoyable and sustainable for everyone.

You can find John on Instagram @gaglionestrength https://www.instagram.com/gaglionestrength/  

All the info for the strict curl competition at Larry Wheels’ gym in California> https://meets.revolutionpowerlifting.com/2026/01/17/larry-wheels-west-coast-curl/

Check out our gym (Third Street Barbell) at ThirdStreetBarbell.com https://www.thirdstreetbarbell.com/!  
Check out our podcast website: 50percentfacts.com https://www.50percentfacts.com/  
50% Facts is a Spreaker Prime podcast on OCN – the Obscure Celebrity Network.   ____  

Hosted by Mike Farr (@silentmikke) https://www.instagram.com/silentmikke/ and Jim McDonald (@thejimmcd). https://www.instagram.com/thejimmcd/ 
Produced by Jim McDonald
Production assistance by Sam McDonald and Sebastian Brambila. Theme by Aaron Moore. Show art by Joseph Manzo (@jmanzo523)

Chapters  
00:00 Introduction and Background
02:02 Powerlifting Journey and Coaching Philosophy
05:55 Bodybuilding Experience and Personal Goals
10:06 Realistic Expectations in Weight Loss
13:51 Lifestyle Changes and Community Support
17:57 Training Culture and Powerlifting Evolution
21:35 The Role of Coaching in Powerlifting
27:50 Long-Term Goals and Consistency
36:36 The Importance of Realistic Coaching Expectations
39:38 The Dark Side of Bodybuilding Coaching
40:21 The Evolution of Powerlifting Training Methods
43:12 Long-Term Health in Strength Sports
45:47 The Balance Between Competition and Longevity
48:38 The Future of Strength Training and Coaching
50:40 The Rise of Strict Curl Competitions
01:06:26 Promoting Strength Sports Accessibility

Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/50-facts-with-silent-mike-jim-mcd--5538735/support.

WEBVTT

1
00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:14.679
All righty, welcome, I'm back after a couple of weeks

2
00:00:14.679 --> 00:00:17.280
of Uh, I just like needing to take a couple

3
00:00:17.320 --> 00:00:20.879
of weeks to to not record when I don't you know,

4
00:00:20.960 --> 00:00:23.640
with with Mike out, Uh, when I don't have guests

5
00:00:24.559 --> 00:00:27.719
lined up, uh, and my schedule doesn't really really sync

6
00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:30.000
up with that, then I just don't do it. And

7
00:00:30.359 --> 00:00:35.439
and there's that's after a dozen years of powercasting. Did

8
00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:38.119
I just say that that was a Fordian slip podcasting

9
00:00:38.679 --> 00:00:42.520
starting with the power Cast, which this show has actually

10
00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:44.799
been going on longer and has more episodes than that

11
00:00:44.840 --> 00:00:48.840
show did by this point. But yeah, just it's freeing

12
00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:51.320
to just not do it sometimes, you know, Not that

13
00:00:51.359 --> 00:00:55.280
I don't enjoy it, but you know sometimes, So I'm

14
00:00:55.280 --> 00:00:59.679
here with my guest, mister Gaggs himself. Uh, John CACALIONI,

15
00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:03.079
the guy that we used to call the mafia accountant

16
00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:04.079
for some reason.

17
00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:08.519
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I was.

18
00:01:08.680 --> 00:01:11.239
I did a very important deal, you know, with the

19
00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:15.079
whole rebox shoe dealing. So it was in in Massachusetts.

20
00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:17.400
Is you know, my my life's work right there.

21
00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:23.599
So how you doing, I'm doing. I'm doing really well.

22
00:01:23.640 --> 00:01:25.519
It's great to It's always great to catch up.

23
00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:31.200
So going into twenty twenty six, it'll be uh or

24
00:01:31.439 --> 00:01:33.879
my fifteenth year with a you know, gaggling on strength,

25
00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:37.920
my you know, my coaching company, my my.

26
00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:38.359
My original gym in New York.

27
00:01:39.040 --> 00:01:44.000
And it'll also be my twentieth year competing as a

28
00:01:44.599 --> 00:01:46.519
competitive powerlifter.

29
00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:47.680
Did my first.

30
00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:49.799
I always joke that I started powerlating before it was

31
00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:52.920
cool back in two thousand and six. So and got

32
00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:56.640
married last year and originally from Long Island, New York,

33
00:01:57.079 --> 00:01:59.120
and I just opened it'd be a two year anniversary

34
00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:01.280
opened up as a gym. We were talking a little

35
00:02:01.280 --> 00:02:05.519
bit off off air in Delaware. So it's a lot

36
00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:08.560
has changed, a lot, has a lot of growth, but powerlifting,

37
00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:10.960
lifting weight to the barbell has still always been part

38
00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:11.520
of the equation.

39
00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:18.000
Hey that's great, and you're you're training folks online in person.

40
00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:22.479
Yeah, so it's I say that kind of like hybrid

41
00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:24.599
is like kind of the not hybrid in terms of

42
00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:26.719
running because I'm not not definitely not into.

43
00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:28.599
That, but hybrid me either.

44
00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:29.319
Yeah.

45
00:02:29.439 --> 00:02:32.039
I never kind of running in jiu jitsu or things

46
00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:35.960
that I never partook it as a powerlifter. I did

47
00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:38.680
have the bodybuilding stint in twenty twenty, and if you

48
00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:40.400
guys are interested, we can kind of talk about that.

49
00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:41.680
That was just like a bucket list thing.

50
00:02:41.759 --> 00:02:46.039
But but yeah, so you know, uh, there was kind

51
00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:49.759
of iterations and seasons of life where I tried to

52
00:02:49.759 --> 00:02:52.919
get myself off the gym floor. Yeah, that's kind of

53
00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:55.319
like what every good entrepreneur should do. But I'm a

54
00:02:55.319 --> 00:02:58.639
coach at heart. Many people may not know, but you know,

55
00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:02.800
I have a master's in education. I've always been a teacher.

56
00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:06.360
I started teaching elementary wrestling, like when I was a teenager,

57
00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:07.599
started coaching at eighteen.

58
00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:11.599
So in person coaching, I don't think I could ever

59
00:03:11.639 --> 00:03:12.599
give up entirely.

60
00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:14.960
So I still have a bunch of clients that I

61
00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:18.879
work with At our Delaware location. It's mostly kind of

62
00:03:18.919 --> 00:03:22.240
older folks. There's a lot of retirees down here. We have,

63
00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:24.960
you know, people in their fifties, sixties, and even some

64
00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:27.199
in their seventies that are kind of training for strength,

65
00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:30.159
Some are competing in powerlifting, some are just you know,

66
00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:32.879
lifting for fitness, and then I kind of work with

67
00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:35.879
I kind of program our all of our team members

68
00:03:35.879 --> 00:03:37.199
at the New York Gym. They're a little bit more

69
00:03:37.280 --> 00:03:41.400
kind of seasoned powerlifters, and you know, I still work

70
00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:43.919
with you know, I still consult with guys like Larry Wheels.

71
00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:46.240
That's kind of where you know, we first met when

72
00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:48.719
he was on the scene breaking all his world records

73
00:03:48.719 --> 00:03:51.919
and kind of taking the powerlifting s team by storm.

74
00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:55.800
But I would say most of my work is done online.

75
00:03:55.360 --> 00:03:58.719
But I'm never going to completely I always want to

76
00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:00.560
have a hub and a home base or like where

77
00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:04.240
my family can lift. My wife lifts. My wife and

78
00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:08.759
our daughter she's actually gonna be doing their first usapl

79
00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:12.039
meet together and competing and they're trying to kind of qualify.

80
00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:14.560
So my wife will be trying to qualify for Master's Nationals,

81
00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:17.639
and then our daughter she just did her first youth

82
00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:21.759
Nationals back in July. So you know, everyone's kind of

83
00:04:21.759 --> 00:04:23.519
involved in the liftings team. I think that's kind of

84
00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:26.120
the nature of being around me. It's kind of part

85
00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:27.920
for the course. But I try to, you know, make

86
00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:29.519
it as part of our lives the best we can

87
00:04:29.560 --> 00:04:32.160
and just maybe you know, take it a little have

88
00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:33.800
a little bit more fun in the process. Maybe not

89
00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:36.959
quite as serious as you know it once was, but

90
00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:38.680
lifting is definitely still part of the equation.

91
00:04:40.120 --> 00:04:44.680
Yeah, I I just full transparency. Like I there have

92
00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:48.519
been times, just even even owning this gym, that I

93
00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:51.040
have not been in the gym all the time. In

94
00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:53.920
the last like five or six months, I've I've I'm

95
00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:57.240
here like six days a week, not just not working

96
00:04:57.279 --> 00:05:01.560
but actually like working out too. And uh uh. And

97
00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:04.800
it is the first time since the old days when

98
00:05:04.839 --> 00:05:07.040
I was lifting with a team of people that it's

99
00:05:07.040 --> 00:05:10.680
actually been fun for me. And you know, we have

100
00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:13.000
now there's nobody lifting with me, but we have members

101
00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:15.680
in all the time, and and we have a you know,

102
00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:18.360
a good community, a good group of people, and it's

103
00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:20.959
it's just sort of the first time that it's really

104
00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:25.560
like felt good in a really long time. So I

105
00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:27.600
get what you mean, like get the family of all.

106
00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:31.319
Like my wife. I realized one day my wife had

107
00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:33.800
like a more of a of a practice of fitness

108
00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:35.920
than I did, like by any stretch of the imagination,

109
00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:38.439
you know, and really she was running and doing yoga

110
00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:41.480
and whatever, and like I was not, and I'm not

111
00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:45.920
gonna be, but I did did finally like lock myself

112
00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:49.160
back into for the first time since the powerlifting days,

113
00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:55.000
like locked into too a program and talking to people

114
00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:57.600
who are advising me on on what to do, and like,

115
00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:01.519
you know, drop being some of my the weight that

116
00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:05.120
I intentionally put on for powerlifting, and it it's been

117
00:06:05.199 --> 00:06:06.839
you know, it's been good. It's been really good.

118
00:06:08.839 --> 00:06:11.040
I think that like that was so I kind of

119
00:06:11.079 --> 00:06:13.120
alluded to it a little bit. So like you know,

120
00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:14.560
in twenty twenty, I did a little bit of a

121
00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:15.279
bodybuilding stem.

122
00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:17.720
So part of that was like I was on my

123
00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:19.839
way down anyway, and I was and so.

124
00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:22.360
I did one of my bucket lists goals and this

125
00:06:22.439 --> 00:06:24.560
is a this is equipped lifting, but I think it's

126
00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:25.160
still pretty good.

127
00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:26.839
So, you know, wearing squat suits, knee reps.

128
00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:30.920
I wanted to you know, I wasn't going to be

129
00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:33.560
a Larry Williams and break all time records. But I

130
00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:35.759
always took my lifting very seriously and I'm like, you know,

131
00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:37.879
maybe I could do something that no one's ever done before.

132
00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:40.240
So I said, I said on this.

133
00:06:40.360 --> 00:06:42.600
I ended up kind of losing weight and I got

134
00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:44.879
very close to an eight hundred pounds squat in the

135
00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:46.480
two forty two weight class. And for those that have

136
00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:49.120
been following me for a while, I've squatted a thousand

137
00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:51.279
pounds in training. I did nine hundred in a competition

138
00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:54.199
as a super heavyweight, and I was like, okay, you know,

139
00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:57.040
eight hundred, it's kind of a pretty substantial figure. Still,

140
00:06:57.040 --> 00:06:59.120
I'm like, what if I could squad eight hundred pounds

141
00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:02.959
and multiple weight classes. So I set this goal to

142
00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:06.079
squad eight hundred pounds and six weight classes because to

143
00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:08.279
my knowledge and to this day, I don't think anyone's

144
00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:10.600
ever done it. So I was on my way down.

145
00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:12.480
I cut all the way down from three forty to

146
00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:16.120
one ninety eight. It took like five years. I weighed

147
00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:18.639
in a one ninety seven squad at eight hundred. I

148
00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:21.160
had my Chuck vogelpol flame beingie on when in my

149
00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:23.360
canvas suit while doing it, so it was like kind

150
00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:26.240
of a little bit of a throwback, a little you know,

151
00:07:26.279 --> 00:07:29.199
ode to you know, Louis Simmons and uh. And then

152
00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:30.720
from there I kind of was like, I think I

153
00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:32.639
have some abs and I have some definition in my leg.

154
00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:34.480
So obviously there's a water cut involved and stuff.

155
00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:37.560
But I started to actually look like relatively lean, and

156
00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:38.920
I was like, you know, I'm not going to go

157
00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:41.399
down to one eighty one. But I said maybe I

158
00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:43.680
could do a bodybuilding show, and of course, you know,

159
00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:45.879
in twenty twenty, kind of the world shut down, but

160
00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:48.480
I had a lot of time to focus on it,

161
00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:50.959
so it ended up being a blessing in disguise. I

162
00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:53.439
ended up doing the Mister America contest and it was

163
00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:54.800
a lot of fun. I had a lot more fun

164
00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:57.240
than I thought. But uh, you know, I kind of

165
00:07:57.279 --> 00:07:59.639
quickly realized that I enjoyed eating food too much and

166
00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:01.600
Mom's cooking and all this stuff.

167
00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:03.920
So that was a very short lived yeah, you know,

168
00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:05.600
but it was a cool bucket list thing.

169
00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:08.199
And then you know, I kind of bounced back and

170
00:08:08.199 --> 00:08:10.519
forth between different weight classes and stuff. But I going

171
00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:13.360
back to what you were saying, before being on a

172
00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:16.879
program having some sort of performance goal, I tried to

173
00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:19.319
like just exercise for like a while, and just that

174
00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:22.079
didn't really just do it for me. So one thing

175
00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:25.439
that I've been kind of doing more of single lift

176
00:08:25.480 --> 00:08:29.000
meets has been fun. It's a little bit less stressful, honestly,

177
00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:32.879
benching in the new shirts. It's still very comfortable because

178
00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:34.679
I have a lot of shoulder issues, and I've been

179
00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:37.279
kind of dabbling in a strict curl competition. It's kind

180
00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:38.799
of like a little bit of an odd bawl thing.

181
00:08:38.879 --> 00:08:41.840
But I just really enjoy competing. I don't know if like,

182
00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:43.759
you know, putting you know, eight or nine hundred pounds

183
00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:45.480
in my back as often as like the smartest thing

184
00:08:45.519 --> 00:08:46.759
for me to do for longevity.

185
00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:49.440
But I love lifting heavy. I love lifting with a crew.

186
00:08:49.759 --> 00:08:51.399
We have a bunch of guys that I trained with

187
00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:53.799
now I'm actually going to be benching with them later today.

188
00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:55.840
And it's just fun to kind of like do something,

189
00:08:55.840 --> 00:08:57.159
to be on a program and kind of lift with

190
00:08:57.200 --> 00:08:59.720
your friends. And that's like the thing I really miss

191
00:08:59.720 --> 00:09:02.320
about like having those equipped, you know, sessions with the

192
00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:04.559
guys and you know, some of my trips to West

193
00:09:04.639 --> 00:09:07.440
Side and you know, learning with all those guys and

194
00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:09.759
you know, anyway, so that's kind of like what I've

195
00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:12.559
been up to and just you know, just to kind

196
00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:14.879
of like it's as much as for the physical body,

197
00:09:14.919 --> 00:09:17.240
it's also like for your for your brain and your confidence.

198
00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:20.200
And I felt like I was just exercising, I just

199
00:09:20.360 --> 00:09:23.399
wasn't it just was I just felt like something was missing,

200
00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:25.279
you know. So just trying to be a little bit

201
00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:27.679
more reasonable about my goals and stuff. I'm actually started

202
00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:30.279
dieting as well, like this week and trying to get

203
00:09:30.279 --> 00:09:33.440
my weight back down, but you know, trying to stay healthy,

204
00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:36.399
state motivated. And I think that like having some sort

205
00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:39.919
of you know, performance goal like attached to your training,

206
00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:41.279
I think it was also helpful. At least for me,

207
00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:43.320
it's always been helpful to kind of keep on target,

208
00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:45.759
you know. For those that maybe don't have like world

209
00:09:45.759 --> 00:09:47.840
record aspirations, I think it's still like good to have

210
00:09:47.879 --> 00:09:50.519
personal records that you're striving for, and even if they're

211
00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:52.279
if they're made up, I think that could be really

212
00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:53.679
helpful to kind of keep you on track.

213
00:09:55.120 --> 00:09:57.720
Yeah, that makes sense. You just just your your goals

214
00:09:57.720 --> 00:10:00.600
don't have to be anybody else's goals to understand, right,

215
00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:05.240
I mean, you just whatever works for you. Excuse me.

216
00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:10.759
Something you were said earlier about about your your big

217
00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:13.000
weight loss all the way down till one ninety seven,

218
00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:15.759
taking five years. And this is something that I noticed

219
00:10:15.759 --> 00:10:20.480
a lot lately that really bugs me, is that people

220
00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:23.480
have unrealistic expectations of how long it's going to take

221
00:10:23.519 --> 00:10:26.159
to lose the significant amount of weight, even if it's

222
00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:29.600
you know, even if it's twenty five pounds, even right,

223
00:10:29.639 --> 00:10:33.440
they have an unrealistic expectation of how fast they can

224
00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:36.080
get there and then what they can do when they do.

225
00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:40.039
And you know, like I think that twelve week challenges

226
00:10:40.159 --> 00:10:44.200
are good for motivating people, but that is it this

227
00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:49.279
you know, it's a it's a losing game if if

228
00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:51.919
you're if you're like sprinting to the finish and then

229
00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:54.600
when you get there, it's it's a big party, and

230
00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:59.799
then you don't, you know, care about maintaining weight loss

231
00:10:59.879 --> 00:11:02.320
or it just it seems like it seems like that's

232
00:11:02.320 --> 00:11:04.080
a part of that one of the parts of the

233
00:11:04.120 --> 00:11:08.159
fitness industry that's broken is that you can get people

234
00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:11.799
engaged for for a you know, a twelve week challenge

235
00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:15.600
or whatever, but twelve weeks of engagement is not enough.

236
00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:19.519
Like you have to realize that you're you're making a

237
00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:21.759
like permanent lifestyle change.

238
00:11:23.440 --> 00:11:23.679
Yeah.

239
00:11:23.679 --> 00:11:26.759
I think the permanent lifestyle change is a very hard

240
00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:28.799
pill to swallow. And it's one of those things where

241
00:11:29.639 --> 00:11:31.320
even when you're working with people, because I've been working

242
00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:32.840
with a little bit more like kind of general fitness

243
00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:36.120
stuff now and I think sometimes like what I've found

244
00:11:36.200 --> 00:11:39.559
sometimes is one thing that I find the powerlifting meets

245
00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:41.440
and stuff has been helpful is a kind of record,

246
00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:42.240
It kind of.

247
00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:44.600
You do need to like kind.

248
00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:46.080
Of weigh yourself in and check in on the scale

249
00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:47.759
if you do want to make body composition changes and

250
00:11:47.799 --> 00:11:50.279
all that stuff. But sometimes it's good to like not

251
00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:52.799
like worry like solely on that, and if you have

252
00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:54.879
other kind of side kind of quests and side goals

253
00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:57.559
that you're kind of focused on, it gives you because

254
00:11:57.840 --> 00:11:59.960
what's great about what's great and bad about power lifting

255
00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:02.279
is that it's very like tangible to see your progress,

256
00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:05.080
like immediately where you be able to add five more pounds,

257
00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:07.440
were you able to add another rep? And I know

258
00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:09.480
that's something where and at a certain point when you

259
00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:10.720
get to a level like kind of we did it.

260
00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:12.879
When you're in you know you're squatting six seven, eight

261
00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:15.960
hundred pounds. The five pounds is not going to come

262
00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:19.679
super fast either anymore. But initially, if you have someone

263
00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:22.240
who's like I have a woman I'm working with. We

264
00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:24.480
just did a charity bench press fundraiser out at the

265
00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:27.440
local gym, and in the last four months she never

266
00:12:27.559 --> 00:12:30.639
she's never touched any weights before. She came in strictly

267
00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:34.000
for like body composition and fitness, but slowly over time

268
00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:36.039
she got comfortable. She went we have like a kid's bar,

269
00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:38.759
a fifteen kilo bar, so now she's using like a

270
00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:42.279
like a twenty kilo bar, forty five pound bar. And

271
00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:44.679
she was asking about this bench press fundraiser and we

272
00:12:44.759 --> 00:12:46.679
have like a max contest and a bench her reps

273
00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:49.120
and I'm like, why don't you just bench the bar

274
00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:51.600
as many times as you can? And she jumped in

275
00:12:51.639 --> 00:12:53.440
and she did it, and she was so proud of herself.

276
00:12:53.440 --> 00:12:55.480
And it was one of those things where for guys

277
00:12:55.519 --> 00:12:57.200
that have you know, been in bench shirts and did

278
00:12:57.200 --> 00:12:59.159
all these massive wets may not seem like crazy, but

279
00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:01.480
for her it was a huge win just to like,

280
00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:03.960
so she was a little Now she's still gonna be

281
00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:06.799
focusing on our weight loss and stuff, but it just

282
00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:08.519
gave her something else to be proud for. Now she's

283
00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:09.799
got a little bit more pep in her step and

284
00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:11.720
she's a little bit more motivated to keep coming back

285
00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:15.159
to the gym because these these weight changes can take

286
00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:17.639
a lot of time and especially if you want to

287
00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:18.320
kind of keep it off.

288
00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:19.759
So it's one of those things where.

289
00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:23.279
You know, depending on the person, like I might like

290
00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:25.399
kind of save that conversation for a later date, like

291
00:13:25.399 --> 00:13:28.679
once they have other habits in place, and usually being

292
00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:31.879
the strength guy, I like to tend to focus on

293
00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:33.960
like the lifting part first and then kind of get

294
00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:37.120
to the because the lifestyle change, like the eating and stuff,

295
00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:40.799
it's it's, it's, it's. It could really take a really

296
00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:44.039
long time for like your average person, but you know,

297
00:13:44.200 --> 00:13:45.919
I think that it is worth it once you kind

298
00:13:45.919 --> 00:13:47.960
of like get get into it. And even with ourselves,

299
00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:51.799
we're trying to you know, have healthier dinners and healthier options.

300
00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:54.080
And I think the more you can be kind of

301
00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:56.279
inclusive in your community and family, I think it definitely

302
00:13:56.360 --> 00:13:58.039
helps if you know, and just kind of you know,

303
00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:01.240
if your family is on board and your community is

304
00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:04.080
on board, I think that makes a huge difference if

305
00:14:04.159 --> 00:14:06.200
kind of everyone is kind of on a similar page,

306
00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:08.440
you know, when it comes to lifting and you know,

307
00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:09.639
just weight loss in general.

308
00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:13.240
So yeah, yeah, And and I think that like the

309
00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:19.360
the the dominant philosophies around weight loss seem to stream

310
00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:22.960
from more of the bodybuilding world, and that's not most people.

311
00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:26.600
That's not where most people's goals lie or should lie,

312
00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:31.559
and they get caught up in in needing to feeling

313
00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:35.159
like they need to be super strict when that isn't

314
00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:38.840
really the issue. The issue is is sort of is changing.

315
00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:41.600
You're just basically changing the menu of things that you're

316
00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:45.759
choosing from and the proportion of those things and not well,

317
00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:47.399
I'm only going to eat clean and I'm going to

318
00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:50.240
do this and do that. You know, it's it's the same.

319
00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:54.919
It's the same kind of thing with with training with

320
00:14:54.919 --> 00:14:57.240
with people who you know, coming at it from the

321
00:14:57.279 --> 00:15:02.960
fitness side and and working more like body weight splits,

322
00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:07.519
I mean body part splits. You know, that's that's a

323
00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:12.159
bodybuilding thing that's not like a regular person trying to

324
00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:15.879
get fit thing. Like I in the last like six

325
00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:18.200
weeks or so, I switched from the first time since

326
00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:22.879
the nineties, switched to a full body, three times a

327
00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:26.799
week workout schedule, and it has been like a revelation.

328
00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:30.480
It's like why did I do this before? And you know,

329
00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:32.720
like you start looking back at your life and like, well,

330
00:15:32.759 --> 00:15:35.240
if twenty years ago I had met people who were

331
00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:41.240
more fitness oriented and less less concerned about max weights

332
00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:43.440
like I would, this probably wouldn't be so much work

333
00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:44.360
right now, you know?

334
00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:48.679
Yeah, yeah, I think that one thing that I've been

335
00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:51.919
kind of trying to implement with myself too, is just

336
00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:56.039
kind of going back to my I did wrestling in football.

337
00:15:56.279 --> 00:15:58.440
Growing up, wrestling was more my main thing, and wrestling

338
00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:00.360
is kind of was my introduction to the strain training

339
00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:02.720
lifting in general, and I just I happen to really

340
00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:04.480
kind of fall in love with trend the conditioning, and

341
00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:05.679
that's kind of like how I kind of got my

342
00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:09.200
started in this whole field. And one of the things that,

343
00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:11.399
especially now that I'm like a little bit like you know,

344
00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:15.720
less serious about competing, not really doing like full competitions anymore,

345
00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:18.759
at the moment, I can like you know, do some

346
00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:20.960
things like you know, whether it's drag a sled or

347
00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:24.039
just get better at like do some calisonics and just

348
00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:26.440
have some more general just general training. And that's something

349
00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:29.360
where when I was working with a lot of wrestlers

350
00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:31.919
in like the early two thousands, like that was kind

351
00:16:31.919 --> 00:16:34.960
of my main kind of client sele and you know,

352
00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:36.919
they didn't just squat bench and deadlift. You know, they

353
00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:39.240
did rope climbs, they did pull ups, they did push

354
00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:41.600
ups and lunges, and just being like a little bit

355
00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:45.000
more well rounded versus just like you know, being like

356
00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:47.159
absolutely strong. Can you like be like a little bit

357
00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:49.320
more well round and even like you know, you could

358
00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:51.200
do a little cardio, you know, you could do like

359
00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:54.879
you know, it's like what a novel idea. Even just

360
00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:58.759
I've been really trying to focus on getting my steps up,

361
00:16:58.879 --> 00:17:00.440
just being outside a little bit more a while it's

362
00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:03.279
still you know, reason reasonably uh you know, you know,

363
00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:06.799
decent out. And I think that, like you said, and

364
00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:09.440
your your your program will change. I think like when

365
00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:11.079
people are like, oh, like what's your split or what

366
00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:13.240
you know, it's all kind of circumstantial.

367
00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:14.559
Where like you.

368
00:17:14.559 --> 00:17:16.400
Said, a lot of my general fitness people they might

369
00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:18.480
do more full body because it's like they're not gonna

370
00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:20.200
I'm not gonna see them like five times a week

371
00:17:20.279 --> 00:17:22.240
or four times a week. If I see them like

372
00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:24.519
twice a week, well we're going to do like a

373
00:17:24.519 --> 00:17:26.319
little bit of everything and just you know, it's still

374
00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:28.960
gonna be strength focused, but you know we might just

375
00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:30.640
kind of do you know, do something for upper bodies,

376
00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:32.440
something for a lower body, and then some other stuff

377
00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:34.799
maybe like okay, like some stuff might just be stuff

378
00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:38.640
they enjoy. It doesn't have to be like so like

379
00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:40.920
optimal is like all the rage and you got to

380
00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:42.440
do the opt you know, but also like you know,

381
00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:44.960
it's like you have to what are things that you

382
00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:47.160
actually like doing that's going to get you back to

383
00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:47.599
the gym?

384
00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:51.759
You know, So optimal for who is always the question? Yeah,

385
00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:55.559
I ask, because like optimal for somebody else, Optimal for

386
00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:58.839
a bodybuilder or a or a you know, a crossfitter

387
00:17:59.119 --> 00:18:02.839
or an Olympic weightlifter or a powerlifter, those are all

388
00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:07.440
different things. Are people who haven't like literally other sports

389
00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:10.200
like running, like we we have you know, a continue

390
00:18:10.279 --> 00:18:14.759
of people here who actually run and they're not necessarily

391
00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:18.039
competing in powerlifting, but they're training in a powerlifting style,

392
00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:21.519
but they enjoy running. They run with run clubs in

393
00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:23.640
the in the area and stuff like that. And that's

394
00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:27.640
just that what's optimal for them is not going to

395
00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:30.160
be what's optimal for are. You know, we have a

396
00:18:31.279 --> 00:18:38.240
larger contingent of tested UH Federation competitors here, we have.

397
00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:42.119
I don't think we currently have any non tested competitors.

398
00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:44.880
This is a totally different world than than what I

399
00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:45.519
was dealing with.

400
00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:48.599
It's it's really interesting and like I said, we can

401
00:18:48.680 --> 00:18:50.359
kind of dive into it a little bit. So two

402
00:18:50.400 --> 00:18:51.960
things I want to touch on because I think the whole.

403
00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:54.720
I'd love to kind of touch on the culture of

404
00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:56.279
powerlifting because one of the things we were kind of

405
00:18:56.279 --> 00:18:59.279
talking about off air is just training versus I think

406
00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:02.480
that's a good type of conversation. But U but even

407
00:19:02.519 --> 00:19:06.799
before that, like I think that one thing that I

408
00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:09.200
think that's i'd like i'd like to kind of advocate

409
00:19:09.279 --> 00:19:12.759
for for people that are like thirty five plus forty plus,

410
00:19:13.319 --> 00:19:15.519
maybe you're a bit a businessman, maybe you have kids,

411
00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:20.279
you just limit it on time. I love, I love

412
00:19:20.319 --> 00:19:21.920
power lifting. There's a lot of elements I like about it.

413
00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:24.319
But I think that like people feel like they need

414
00:19:24.359 --> 00:19:29.000
to if they can't do like this full on, you know,

415
00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:32.359
crazy program, then why bother. And one of the things

416
00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:34.559
that I really like love about training for strict curl,

417
00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:38.119
it's like you're not gonna like die from being under

418
00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:40.559
like a thousand pounds, you know. That's that's that's that's

419
00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:43.839
like the first thing. And like literally you could do

420
00:19:43.839 --> 00:19:46.119
it like once a week and just get profession at it.

421
00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:48.839
And like it's such like a low like cost, Like

422
00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:51.440
you don't need like a squat suit, you don't need

423
00:19:52.279 --> 00:19:54.279
a fancy like combo rack, you don't you need a

424
00:19:54.279 --> 00:19:56.519
wall and like a barbelle and like some weights, and

425
00:19:56.559 --> 00:19:58.079
you can kind of get started with it. So it's

426
00:19:58.079 --> 00:20:00.440
one of those things where at first it's team kind

427
00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:03.039
of corny, but we had a lot of athletes get

428
00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:05.519
really proficient in it. My wife's been doing that as well.

429
00:20:05.599 --> 00:20:08.240
She's one of the top females in the country for

430
00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:11.920
for her weight class. And I was like, Okay, I'm

431
00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:14.200
starting to get some athletes that are like getting more

432
00:20:14.200 --> 00:20:16.119
proficient in this, so I should kind of like and

433
00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:17.640
I thought it was gonna be kind of stupid, but

434
00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:18.799
I kind of like, you know what, there's a lot

435
00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:20.640
of elements from parallels that I like about. You know,

436
00:20:20.680 --> 00:20:22.720
you get three attempts, you kind of you have this

437
00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:27.200
performance goal, but like the cost of like squatting like

438
00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:29.400
eight hundred or nine hundred and like what that does

439
00:20:29.440 --> 00:20:32.240
to your nervous system and your back. And so I

440
00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:33.680
feel like I can kind of do a strict croll

441
00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:36.000
meat And I'm like, I guess it doesn't it doesn't

442
00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:39.279
like have it doesn't interrupt my life so so much.

443
00:20:39.319 --> 00:20:41.839
Like you feel like the computer is like crashing and

444
00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:43.599
you need a few days. So if you ever if

445
00:20:43.599 --> 00:20:46.240
you ever been in a squat suit and had a

446
00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:48.119
substantial amount of weight on your back. It's just a

447
00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:51.000
different type of fatigue that you kind of feel. And

448
00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:53.680
I'm sure all these because these rowlifters are squatting eight

449
00:20:53.839 --> 00:20:56.640
nine thousand pounds, you know, someone like a Heyzoos Salavaris,

450
00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:58.960
so I'm sure they're kind of feeling the effects of

451
00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:01.640
that too. So anyway, it's just wanted to kind of

452
00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:05.319
I think that like sometimes like if you sometimes it's

453
00:21:05.319 --> 00:21:06.839
that you could still kind of do something, but maybe

454
00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:10.200
just you just do it differently, you know. So I

455
00:21:10.519 --> 00:21:12.279
think that's just something I wanted to kind of highlight

456
00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:13.960
and then yeah, if there anything you want to add

457
00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:17.559
to that, And then I think the whole culture change

458
00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:19.359
in powerlifting, whether it be good or bad, it's just

459
00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:21.279
been really interesting to kind of see over the last

460
00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:24.279
you know, you know, twenty years or so, like it's

461
00:21:24.279 --> 00:21:27.640
been quite a shift and you know what powerlifting is.

462
00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:30.799
But yeah, I think the average age of competitors drop

463
00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:35.000
significantly in the last ten years for sure, and it's

464
00:21:35.119 --> 00:21:39.279
part probably seven, maybe a little bit longer than that.

465
00:21:39.359 --> 00:21:42.000
But yeah, just like there's so many more young people involved,

466
00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:44.599
there's so many more people period involved than there used

467
00:21:44.599 --> 00:21:48.119
to be. I could definitely feel you on the geared

468
00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:50.400
lifting and it doesn't even have to be you know,

469
00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:51.880
it doesn't have to be eight erred pounds. It has

470
00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:53.000
to be whatever your eight.

471
00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:54.519
Hundred pounds is.

472
00:21:55.640 --> 00:22:02.359
And like that, you gear is exhausting. People who really

473
00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:04.599
poop poo died because oh, it's cheating or whatever. It's like, No,

474
00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:07.039
it's just a different it's a different slice of the sport.

475
00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:09.960
It's it's just different. Like hell, there are different versus

476
00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:12.319
versions of pickleball out there for having. You know, it's

477
00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:16.400
like you can't say they're all that there's only one

478
00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:20.000
way to do to do a sport. Uh, there's usually

479
00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:22.759
only one popular way to do a sport, and that

480
00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:26.400
that that has changed for sure. But I can tell

481
00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:30.039
you that that, you know, squatting six fifty, that was

482
00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:31.920
my best squad ever and I never got close to

483
00:22:31.960 --> 00:22:33.799
it again. I got the six hundred is the closest

484
00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:37.640
I ever got again. Or you know, pulling over six

485
00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:42.119
whenever in gear is exhausting, Like you're you're there's does

486
00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:45.000
something different to your nervous system than lifting raw does.

487
00:22:47.240 --> 00:22:50.400
And that is that's hard to communicate for people who

488
00:22:50.400 --> 00:22:52.720
are never going to find out. They're never going to

489
00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:56.640
find out because you can't just jump into equipment, you know, No, no.

490
00:22:56.759 --> 00:22:57.920
You definitely need like people.

491
00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:00.279
And so I think that's a good segue because I

492
00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:03.119
think like that was like one thing that it was like.

493
00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:05.160
Maybe like an.

494
00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:09.160
Unintended consequence of the equipment was that like kind of

495
00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:13.440
people were almost forced to train together under the same monoliths,

496
00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:17.920
spotting each other, stuffing yourself into the squad suit, stuffing

497
00:23:17.960 --> 00:23:22.200
yourself into the bench shirt. I mean, you know, if

498
00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:23.839
you think about it, it's like it seems all kind

499
00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:25.160
of silly, and if you ever, you know, like kind

500
00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:26.599
of it's like, oh, you're like hanging from the bar

501
00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:28.319
and takes you like thirty minutes just to get into

502
00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:30.160
the thing get out of the thing. But but I

503
00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:33.160
think what I really loved about that kind of era

504
00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:37.759
was just a difference in camaraderie. And also like even

505
00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:40.640
if you like everyone has like an online uh program

506
00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:42.640
now where they have like an online coach, and in

507
00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:45.319
my opinion, like I think it's more online programming than coaching.

508
00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:47.839
But that's another kind of deal.

509
00:23:50.440 --> 00:23:53.759
Yeah, it's just like coaching is what happens where like

510
00:23:53.799 --> 00:23:56.079
you're actually getting feedback you're getting cues, you're getting it,

511
00:23:56.200 --> 00:23:59.000
you're getting like insight, and I think that like I

512
00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:03.880
think the equipped lifters also, we're just very in tune

513
00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:06.440
with like safety and being engaged, and they were very

514
00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:09.880
like present. Yeah, you had to be just for from

515
00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:13.119
the safety aspect, but people were always yelling at you

516
00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:14.960
to like, you know, whether it's sitting back or pushing

517
00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:18.400
your knees out or tucking your whatever, whatever it was,

518
00:24:19.720 --> 00:24:21.880
it's just a very different and to me, like that

519
00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:24.559
felt like more like you were on a team. And

520
00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:28.759
that's something where going from like wrestling and playing football

521
00:24:28.839 --> 00:24:30.759
to like more of a you know, getting into equipped

522
00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:35.200
powerlifting and training and a crew, I felt like that

523
00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:37.440
was a very like natural, like kind of segue to

524
00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:39.359
kind of just still being feeling like I was like

525
00:24:39.400 --> 00:24:41.599
still like an athlete in some regard, even like you

526
00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:43.519
can kind of argue maybe we didn't look like athletes,

527
00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:46.119
maybe you know a bunch of fat guys stuffed in

528
00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:49.960
the squad suits, but you know, that to me is

529
00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:52.920
just something that it's been really interesting over the years.

530
00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:53.759
Having a pulse on.

531
00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:57.200
Going to some of these more popular gyms, not to

532
00:24:57.279 --> 00:24:58.720
kind of poo poo them, but one of the things

533
00:24:58.759 --> 00:25:02.359
that's always been kind of disheartening to me is like

534
00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:04.519
some of these gyms, they might it's they're beautiful, they

535
00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:07.839
may have like ten combo racks, and during a busy

536
00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:11.079
session you have like literally ten people with their headphones on.

537
00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:13.519
They're on their phones, they're kind of doing their own thing.

538
00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:16.480
They're not like working in with each other. They might

539
00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:18.880
even go as far to wait until the racket until

540
00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:21.799
you're completely done to kind of get started. So I

541
00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:23.319
don't know if you've kind of seen that, like kind

542
00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:26.319
of owning your own gym yourself, or kind of kind

543
00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:28.000
of any thoughts on that, but that's something that I've

544
00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:30.759
kind of always been trying to maybe push back against

545
00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:33.359
in terms of like just like the lifting culture and

546
00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:35.279
how people are training nowadays.

547
00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:39.640
Yeah, you know, that's definitely a thing that I see

548
00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:41.920
and I and I actually I think I said this

549
00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:45.079
on the show a couple of months ago, that there

550
00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:48.160
isn't anybody who trains alone in our gym who could

551
00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:51.680
benefit from training with a group of people. And you know,

552
00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:55.079
back in those days, everybody had eyes on what everyone

553
00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:58.480
was doing, and they were they had you know, sometimes confusing,

554
00:25:58.519 --> 00:26:01.920
conflicting comments, but people had things to say about you

555
00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:06.079
know that that might have been insight on on technique

556
00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:11.319
or on on weight selection, any of those things. You know. Uh,

557
00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:14.759
And it doesn't happen as much here now. At the

558
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:19.359
same time, like people are, people are very kind to

559
00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:22.480
each other here, and they do pay attention to each

560
00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:25.920
other's lifts, even if there's you know, three people on

561
00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:28.119
three different combo racks at the same time, you know,

562
00:26:28.359 --> 00:26:30.400
and they're all squatting, and they could be just squatting

563
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:33.680
together and and but they don't. And there is a

564
00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:38.200
lot of focus on you were talking about talking about

565
00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:41.640
coaching versus just programming. There are some people who have

566
00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:45.480
good coaches and and they and they're recording their lifts

567
00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:48.920
and sending them to their to their to their to

568
00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:54.759
their coach. I do wonder sometimes to what extent that helps,

569
00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:59.240
because a lot of what I mean, a lot of

570
00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:02.839
flaw in lifting after someone reaches kind of the intermediate

571
00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:06.400
point is just that they go up on technique. They're

572
00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:10.039
like they're like a pitcher who loses his arm slot

573
00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:12.079
for a minute, you know, and and they can't find

574
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:15.559
the strike zone. It's not that there's anything inherently wrong

575
00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:17.640
with what they're doing is just they're having a moment

576
00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:20.599
where they're just off. They just miss a lift because

577
00:27:20.759 --> 00:27:24.279
there they had a break in concentration or or they

578
00:27:24.319 --> 00:27:27.000
just got out of position and couldn't get back into position.

579
00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:30.279
Just and I don't know what you coach about that. Honestly,

580
00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:32.240
it's just like, oh, don't do that anymore. It's like

581
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:35.880
it doesn't you know what what. I don't know what

582
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:40.119
the benefit is except that there's a I mean, we

583
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:46.920
go through we go through iPhone tripods like their water

584
00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:51.240
around here there, there's like you're just constantly buying them.

585
00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:52.880
I think we're currently down to three, but I think

586
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:55.359
that we've we've been up as high as like eight

587
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:59.799
or nine. And I mean everybody's doing it, so everybody

588
00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:02.079
needs to do it, I guess. And it's you know,

589
00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:04.880
not all of them are posting them on their Instagram

590
00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:06.960
or whatever. It's a lot of just going to coaches.

591
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:09.400
But I don't know what that I don't know the

592
00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:11.559
value of the feedback. I guess that's what I'm trying

593
00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:12.000
to say.

594
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:13.839
Yeah, No, I think that's a really good point.

595
00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:15.519
I think there's definitely and I think part of that

596
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:17.839
is like, so I've been I don't know if you're

597
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:20.119
if you remember, well, I know you remember, I don't

598
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:22.279
know a lot of the listeners remember when a lot

599
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:24.440
of people were back on like teenage and stuff.

600
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:27.559
But yeah, so I kind of like I probably got on.

601
00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:30.599
There even maybe maybe before I was even like deserving

602
00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:31.960
of getting on there. But it was just kind of

603
00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:34.240
like that's kind of like what you did if you

604
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:35.960
wanted to kind of be like, you know, some of

605
00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:39.079
these uh you know, the Eric Kresty's and a.

606
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:40.160
Lot of these prominent coaches.

607
00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:43.000
It was just kind of like monkey see, monkey deal,

608
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:44.720
like maybe I should like write for teenage and maybe

609
00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:47.599
I should you know, kind of get on men's health.

610
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:50.279
So anyways, and back in those days, some of my

611
00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:52.079
articles are to get a little bit more popular. I

612
00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:55.519
also was trying to communicate some of the stuff I

613
00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:57.599
learned from Louis Simmons and many others and try to

614
00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:00.279
kind of put that in a more digestible way, learning

615
00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:03.640
from guys like you know, Dan Green and many others

616
00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:06.039
that you guys, you know, we all rubbed elbows with,

617
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:08.359
you know, back in the day and at that time,

618
00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:11.680
because teenage was such like a big kind of you know,

619
00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:14.759
meeting ground for a lot of minds and fitness and strength.

620
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:17.880
I started to get people like, oh, can you do

621
00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:20.400
online coaching? And like I had no system. I'm like, okay,

622
00:29:20.599 --> 00:29:22.119
I guess so I can kind of send you And

623
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:26.799
I started to do like very crude you know, video

624
00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:29.200
editing and feedback and stuff like that. Now there's like

625
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:32.519
different applications and stuff. And at a certain point, I

626
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:34.640
think you're right, Like, at a certain point, this is

627
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:37.599
kind of like my over the years of kind of

628
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:40.119
coaching people for like I said, nearly two decades. At

629
00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:44.559
this point, six to eighteen months, the new big games

630
00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:46.559
are gone. Techniques probably pretty stable.

631
00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:47.839
You know.

632
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:50.319
There's probably not like you might unless someone's switching from

633
00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:52.799
similar to conventional that they're learning a completely brand new lift,

634
00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:56.039
or they're getting going from sleeves to wraps or raw

635
00:29:56.119 --> 00:29:59.720
to equipped. There's probably not too much like to really

636
00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:03.680
tink with, you know, at that point. But I think

637
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:06.559
what's really important is, like I said, the human connection,

638
00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:10.119
the interaction when things are not going, when when life

639
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:14.119
stress happens, just kind of like troubleshooting, Like okay, like

640
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:16.200
I had a bad workout, Like should should I go home?

641
00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:16.880
Should I scrap?

642
00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:19.359
And I think it starts to be less about the

643
00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:22.160
technique and more about like, uh, I consider myself almost

644
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:26.680
like a strength consultant sometimes, where how are you just

645
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:29.000
navigating like life, especially if you're kind of dealing with

646
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:31.279
older people where you know, if you have a junior

647
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:34.079
lifter and like their life is like centered around training.

648
00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:36.960
There there's no stress. They're eating a lot, they're sleeping

649
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:40.079
a lot. You know, they don't have anything they'll kind

650
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:43.400
of worry about. You know, they could do like you know,

651
00:30:43.599 --> 00:30:46.119
SBD five times a week and be at the gym

652
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:48.359
for four hours, and they're as long as they're working hard,

653
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:50.200
they're probably going to get pretty good results. But then

654
00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:53.359
for me, like a lot of times, it's it's it's

655
00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:56.599
fun to kind of troubleshoot the people that can only

656
00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:58.200
I can only make it in the gym twice a

657
00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:00.839
week or I can only So it's definitely like a

658
00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:03.200
lot different than training an all time record holder or

659
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:05.599
someone that's really seasoned. But I kind of have a

660
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:08.359
lot of fun having those conversations and stuff. So sometimes

661
00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:11.759
it's a matter of just having a sounding board checking

662
00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:14.759
in and also kind of explaining them. One of the

663
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:17.440
things that I like to do personally, it is just

664
00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:19.839
kind of really understanding like what's the intention of like

665
00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:22.000
the next week, what's the intent and then also kind

666
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:24.839
of like looking forward and if they do kind of

667
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:28.039
yolo or they go off plan or and then be

668
00:31:28.119 --> 00:31:30.680
kind of okay, let's make an adjustment, because I do

669
00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:33.160
think that the big downside to a lot of the

670
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:36.359
programming and like online feedback is that a lot of

671
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:38.720
times it's it's just a little slower than like doing

672
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:41.359
it in person. But with a lot of the tools

673
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:44.599
now you can be a little bit more organized, and

674
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:46.279
a lot of the tools, like even like with AI

675
00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:47.720
and stuff, a lot of the stuff is going to

676
00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:51.039
be kind of able to track your volume and your

677
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:54.519
prs and stuff like some systems are doing it automatically.

678
00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:57.519
But the human interaction and kind of actually troubleshooting and

679
00:31:57.559 --> 00:31:59.720
having conversations. I think that's where the human element and

680
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:02.279
the code which really becomes value. And then like for

681
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:05.759
me personally, I try to make a point even with

682
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:09.480
our online clients, if there's a meat that they could

683
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:11.119
fly to or if I can kind of be there

684
00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:13.960
in person, I just there's all I'm calling him like

685
00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:15.720
the next Larry Wheels, which maybe a little bit.

686
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:17.920
There's a young kid and I'm mentoring now.

687
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:22.240
He has three American record deadlifts and three weight classes.

688
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:24.799
He just went from a teenage lifter. He's going to

689
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:27.920
do his first meet in the juniors. But he's got

690
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:30.519
American records in the two forty two, two seventy fives,

691
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:32.759
and three awaights and he just pulled eight oh four recently.

692
00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:36.039
And so I've I've made a point to fly out

693
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:37.640
to Florida to train him. I don't I don't know

694
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:40.880
if you remember. I know the name Jordan Wong.

695
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:42.480
He used to roll.

696
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.079
Yeah, so Jordan's still He's part of RPS and the

697
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:47.720
federation that I'm involved in. He runs a lot of

698
00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:50.920
great meats in Florida. And so I flew down. I

699
00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:52.400
was like, you know, I'll catch up with Jordan. I'll

700
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:54.240
catch up with some of those guys. And this guy's

701
00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:56.440
name is Martin, and as like, I really want to

702
00:32:56.440 --> 00:32:58.720
make sure this at this this kid just starts off

703
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:00.119
on the right foot and you know, he doesn't hurt

704
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:01.160
himself and all these things.

705
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:03.920
So anyways, he ended up doing really well.

706
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:07.519
Since, like I said, dead lift at eight hundred pounds

707
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:09.519
and he's like, right, around like a two thousand pounds total,

708
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:12.119
which is crazy because he just turned twenty years old,

709
00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:15.279
which is like, you know, someone's life dream, but that's

710
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:18.799
that's the world we live in. So in a case

711
00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:20.480
like that, I try to, you know, if I could

712
00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:23.079
be there in person and the game day coaching that

713
00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:25.640
that's really fun for me. I'm sure you remember. I'm

714
00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:27.160
sure you know you were at some of those meets,

715
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:29.319
you know when one of the most fun things for

716
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:31.440
me was, you know, like handling guys like Larry and

717
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:33.759
some of the others that I did, and making those

718
00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:35.799
game time decisions. Like to me, like that's like where

719
00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:38.119
the coach really is important and shine. So like maybe

720
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:40.839
all the communication leading up to that point helps you

721
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:43.000
become more familiar with the athletes so you can make

722
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:43.759
those decisions.

723
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:46.559
Larry was a good example not to keep using him

724
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:46.960
as example.

725
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:48.920
By know people know him, Like a lot of his

726
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:51.960
records looked really easy, but he was such an explosive lifter,

727
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:54.079
so I had to like really kind of pinpoint the

728
00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:58.160
little small deviations in his form or bar speed. I

729
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:00.640
might not be able to see you've been working with

730
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:02.079
someone for a long time, you might be like, oh,

731
00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:04.279
he's sandbagging. Oh that was easy, and you know, like

732
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:06.960
if five pounds more around that bar, you would would

733
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:09.440
have crumbled, you know. But that's just the type of

734
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:12.239
lifter he was. So anyways, that's kind of like some

735
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:13.920
things that I like to like kind of look out

736
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:16.920
for in terms of on the powerlifting side of things.

737
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:18.760
But I think you hit the nail on the head.

738
00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:20.559
I think at a certain point, I think once your

739
00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:22.400
technique is kind of good enough, you just need it's

740
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:25.559
really just about accountability and developing the relationship with the

741
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:28.639
person and just kind of adjusting like as needed, because

742
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:30.199
you know your technique is only going to be so

743
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:32.760
good at a certain point and then you just have to,

744
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:34.840
like it just takes time. Just takes time to get

745
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:37.320
stronger and bigger and you know, and all those things.

746
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:40.079
So yeah, I think maybe I'm also speaking a little

747
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:42.400
bit from my perspective because from a technical standpoint, I

748
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:45.320
was a really good technical lifter. I just was the strongest,

749
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:49.360
you know, and those things are not They don't equal

750
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:51.639
each other, Like they rely on each other, but they

751
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:55.199
don't equal each other. Sure for sure. That actually one

752
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:58.960
of the greatest frustrations of my entire lifting career was

753
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:00.880
way back in the day. I think it was two

754
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:04.599
thousand and nine. We had we had Louis in the

755
00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:09.400
house here for a seminar, and he was doing like

756
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:15.320
form checks, technique checks, whatever, and I was most concerned

757
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:17.440
about my deadlift because it was sort of the most

758
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:19.960
challenging thing to me other than wearing a venture, which

759
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:23.760
I never was comfortable in adventure. Now, not one minute

760
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:26.920
of one day was I ever comfortable an adventure. But

761
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:28.719
I had him look at my deadlift and he's like, yeah,

762
00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:31.719
you're fine. It's like you don't have any there's no critique,

763
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:33.519
there's nothing you can do to help me. It's like, no,

764
00:35:33.559 --> 00:35:36.400
your form is fine. We just need to get stronger.

765
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:39.599
It's like, well, fuck, that's not what I wanted to hear.

766
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:42.239
I want to hear there was just a flaw that

767
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:44.920
if I just corrected, I'm going to, you know, put

768
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:46.880
fifty pounds on my deadlift. And it was it was

769
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:47.360
not the case.

770
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:49.880
It was not true. Yeah.

771
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:52.280
It's it's funny sometimes where you just think it's like

772
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:54.840
anything else you know, you want, there's going to be.

773
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:58.320
This one trick, and then yeah, one trick.

774
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:01.239
Yeah, and it's assess that's not how most most things work.

775
00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:04.440
A lot of times, it's like, you know, it's consistency

776
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:07.119
over time with weight loss, with training training, it's like,

777
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:09.960
you know, it's probably gonna take longer.

778
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:13.320
Let you think one thing. I think it's good to

779
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:14.400
know any goal.

780
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:16.840
It's I think we overestimate what we could do in

781
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:19.800
the short term, and but we underestimate what we could

782
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:21.960
do long term. So when it comes to weight loss, strength,

783
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:24.119
like you know, when I first started lifting, I wasn't

784
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:26.239
thinking about like I'm gonna squad nine hundred pounds, you know,

785
00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:26.760
like it's.

786
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:28.800
Just but you do it. You do it long enough,

787
00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:30.400
you do it for five years, you do it for ten.

788
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:33.320
Years, you get you get pretty good, and sometimes you

789
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:35.280
kind of surprise yourself. But yeah, I think then people

790
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:38.280
when you're I think the hardest thing this day and

791
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:41.400
age is that when we're consuming content, whether it's you're

792
00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:46.400
an entrepreneur, you're a lifter, fitness people, we're seeing like

793
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:48.280
the best of the best, and we get really warped

794
00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:52.000
with like, you know, what we should be like working towards.

795
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:54.519
And we just see a snapshot.

796
00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:57.119
We don't see like everything kind of beforehand, you know,

797
00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:00.920
And that's if the photos aren't edited and and photoshops

798
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:03.679
and all this other nonsense. But because a lot of

799
00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:06.360
times it's like literally like this is not like an

800
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:09.639
attainable physique because it's not like real. But yeah, you

801
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:11.719
know so, but yeah, I think it's just gonna take

802
00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:13.360
It's gonna take a lot longer. But if you put

803
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:15.280
in the time and you have a good system in place,

804
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:18.440
you just kind of you you repeat the play and

805
00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:20.559
you keep going and keep getting a little bit better.

806
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:23.039
You troubleshoot, you get a little bit better. But I

807
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:24.639
think that's where like kind of having a coach to

808
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:26.440
kind of like consult with to kind.

809
00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:28.639
Of have realistic expectations.

810
00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:32.960
But what's what's challenging is sometimes you have coaches that

811
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:37.440
might kind of give someone unrealistic expectations and just to

812
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:39.920
kind of sell them, and that that's that's I see

813
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:42.000
this a lot more in a when I was a

814
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:43.679
little bit more in tune with bodybuilding, like when I

815
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:47.480
was competing at the time, I saw some people that h.

816
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:51.199
So, so I don't want.

817
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:53.400
You know, without getting too much to personal details, like

818
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:56.440
so my wife did some some bodybuilding and physique competing

819
00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:59.400
before you know, we got together and she's had thighorre

820
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:01.320
had problems ever since because she kind of followed the

821
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:02.039
coach's advice.

822
00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:04.000
It was not good. So she got ready for the show.

823
00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:06.239
And now she has to like, you know, be on

824
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:08.559
these medications and stuff long term, and it's just like

825
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:12.400
kind of it's just really unfortunate and it sucks. And

826
00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:14.480
you know, she's doing a lot better, like doing more.

827
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:16.199
You know, she still looks great. She just dropped a

828
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:19.039
weight class and so she's making her one forty eight

829
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:23.119
debut for you know, so yeah, it's just cool. You know,

830
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:25.119
it's just different goals and whatever. And she still looks great.

831
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:28.679
You know, she's she's lean and she's strong, and but yeah,

832
00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:30.880
like the bodybuilding like really like messed her up. And

833
00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:33.559
you know, it's just like she just followed what the

834
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:35.800
coach was saying and it just wasn't like great advice.

835
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:39.159
And and a lot of people just like you know,

836
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:41.400
they're trying to be a good, good client, and you know,

837
00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:43.400
it's it's it's kind of scary because we're dealing with

838
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:46.519
people's bodies and you know, so you do the best

839
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:49.639
she can and hopefully, uh, you know, you just have

840
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:51.880
good communication with the coach but not not every coach

841
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:55.719
like is equipped to you know, kind of work with

842
00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:57.920
these you know, types of clients, and you know, they

843
00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:02.119
may not understand the long term ramifications of what they're prescribing,

844
00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:02.559
you know.

845
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:09.239
So yeah, yeah, that makes sense. I I I do.

846
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:15.320
I do wonder if they're like what percentage of bodybuilding

847
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:20.199
coaches take that into consideration. And the other the other

848
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:23.599
thing is, though, just other observation is that bodybuilding coaching

849
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:26.119
seems to me to be such a black box, like

850
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:29.320
you don't, like, you don't really know what's going on

851
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:32.920
a lot of the time with with how people are

852
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:35.800
being programmed or what they're being told to take or whatever,

853
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:40.920
if it's based on just a lot of of bro science,

854
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:45.079
or if there's really something going on, and and you know,

855
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:51.360
there're the whole issue with with diuretics like killing people,

856
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:56.320
and it just it just seems like there isn't enough

857
00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:01.880
there isn't enough like solid knowledge about in general, what's

858
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:04.880
going to happen to people when they go through these

859
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:11.000
extreme measures really to to to try to win or

860
00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:14.159
like win a local show, for heaven's sake. I mean,

861
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:19.119
it can be it can be a bit much, I guess.

862
00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:26.599
Yeah, so it's it's kind of interesting.

863
00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:28.519
I know, like we we're talking about bodybuilding right now,

864
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:31.480
but even like the power Latin context.

865
00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:34.719
So one thing that's so.

866
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:36.800
Obviously like when you when you kind of it's food

867
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:39.559
and potentially drugs and they said diuretics and stuff. So

868
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:42.840
I think, you know, educating yourself is important. One thing

869
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:46.079
that I've been pondering a lot lately. You kind of

870
00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:49.159
mentioned like with this new age of you know, the

871
00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:53.440
tested lifter walked out stiff bar. I mean, we're we're

872
00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:58.280
seeing we're seeing we're seeing lifts done raw with you know,

873
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:03.280
supposedly natural all these things you know that rival like

874
00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:06.079
good equipped lifts from back in the day, and these people,

875
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:08.159
you know, there's people and like there's like.

876
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:09.159
The guy Austin Perkins.

877
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:10.639
I don't know if you kind of how much you followed,

878
00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:14.159
you know, squat and seven hundred pounds at one sixty five.

879
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:17.559
I mean that's a good lift, you know, in knee

880
00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:21.000
wraps and a squad suit. So and and I'm not

881
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:24.360
saying him specifically, but what I've kind of seen we

882
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:27.639
went from this very popular kind of West Side approach

883
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:29.679
with a lot of variation, a lot of bands and

884
00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:34.360
chains fairly, you know, more modest or lower volumes on

885
00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:36.599
certain things. Maybe not the accessories, but for like the

886
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:40.239
main lifts, kind of lower volume, higher intensity, more variation.

887
00:41:41.480 --> 00:41:45.440
And now it's like maybe there might be assessories, there

888
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:47.639
might not. It's mostly with a straight bar some of these.

889
00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:49.199
I don't know if you know this is the case

890
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:51.800
in your gym, but I've heard some of the female

891
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:55.119
lifters are benching like five times a week, some of

892
00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:58.400
the squatting three or four times a week. And I

893
00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:01.360
just also kind of wonder, especially for like the stronger athletes,

894
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:05.320
like what are the ramifications of overuse? Are we just

895
00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:08.679
speeding up? They're like kind of genetic potential are they?

896
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:10.960
Are they just reaching their ceilings sooner? Or are there

897
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:13.880
going to be downstream effects for when these teenage lifters

898
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:16.199
and when these junior lifters are our age or older.

899
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:21.119
What is that going to do orthopedically? Because I don't

900
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:23.039
know about you, but I can't imagine putting a strapear

901
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:25.480
in my back more than once once a week, even

902
00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:27.960
just for my for my just for my shoulders, let

903
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:29.800
alone my spine.

904
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:31.360
So I don't know.

905
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:32.800
These are just things I think about, and I think

906
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:35.559
that a lot of these younger coaches. Sometimes it's good

907
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:37.280
to like be a little naive because then like you

908
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:39.400
don't have like a limit put on you. But also

909
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:43.800
like this is like this isn't just like a video

910
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:45.599
game where you could hit the reset button, and like

911
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:48.079
this is like your body and you have one so

912
00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:50.320
and this has taken from someone, you know, I put

913
00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:52.159
a thousand pounds on my back. I've been three hundred

914
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:54.320
and forty pounds. I've done a lot of not so

915
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:57.800
smart things for my health. But so I don't know,

916
00:42:57.840 --> 00:42:59.880
It's just one of those things where I think sometimes coaches,

917
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:02.039
if you have like a twenty something year old coach,

918
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:04.239
they're not They're not going to have the life experience

919
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:08.400
where I think having I think experience is important. But

920
00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:10.280
I still try to like stay up on like the

921
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:14.320
current trends, but I also wonder what's gonna happen like

922
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:16.480
ten or twenty years down the line, or even five

923
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:18.840
years down the line if like you know, because we

924
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:21.400
don't really have data like on like this is a

925
00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:24.199
whole brand new thing. The weights that these kids are doing.

926
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:27.199
These kids are squading, you know, like I mentioned the kid,

927
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:29.400
so my kind of goal with someone like Martin who's

928
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:32.280
like these deadlifting eight hundred pounds at this point, just

929
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:33.679
try to keep them as healthy as pop And I

930
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:35.280
did this with Larry too, try to keep as healthy

931
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:38.719
as possible for hey, like, there's risk in this, but

932
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:41.039
at some point powerleul thing, you're gonna be done and

933
00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:42.400
you're gonna want to be in one piece.

934
00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:44.239
So have fun with it.

935
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:47.079
But also just the kind of you know, with great

936
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:50.400
power comes great responsibility, you know, the spider it's it's

937
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:53.960
it's really and the and the stronger you get and

938
00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:55.840
the more influence you have over in the same thing

939
00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:57.920
with you know, with popularity and stuff like, I think

940
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:00.400
people just need to be more careful with what they

941
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:02.480
put out into the ether because these are people's bodies

942
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:02.840
we're talking.

943
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:04.280
I don't know, these are just not to be.

944
00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:06.000
Like the old grumpy guy, but these are just things

945
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:09.119
I think about from someone that's been in the sport

946
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:10.920
for a long time, and I love and I love it.

947
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:12.320
I think people should do it, but I think you

948
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:15.199
just need to proceed, you know, with with caution too.

949
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:17.599
I don't know. So that's this kind of stuff.

950
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:19.800
That's been on my mind lately, with seeing these young

951
00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:23.000
kids just do incredible things. But I just kind of wonder,

952
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:26.079
what are the what are the downstream effects when they're

953
00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:29.320
no longer lifting or they're no longer competing anymore.

954
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:31.480
I should say, Yeah.

955
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:34.000
The breakpoint on competing for me was when it started

956
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.400
to affect the like the rest of my life. Like

957
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:40.159
when I was you know, banged up and couldn't do

958
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:42.559
things I wanted to do, couldn't sleep because my shoulder hurt,

959
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:46.039
you know that, those those things, it's like, it's not

960
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:49.639
worth it to me anymore. But past that point, but

961
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:51.920
it went to the younger lifters. I think the point

962
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:56.960
is that like the there isn't quite enough focus on

963
00:44:57.039 --> 00:45:05.280
injury prevention, and just like back in the in the

964
00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:09.719
geared you know, in the geared era, the younger lifters,

965
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:14.400
they they some of them could do fantastic things and

966
00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:18.320
then just be gone because of you know, not just

967
00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:20.440
because they're they're like life change or whatever, because they

968
00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:22.079
were injured in such a way that they couldn't come

969
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:24.519
back and hit the levels they did before, so there

970
00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:27.000
was no point for them to go on. And I

971
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:31.480
think I see that now too in the tested federations

972
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:34.159
you're you know, twenty two twenty three year old lifters

973
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:37.599
who are are really coming up in the sport and

974
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:42.039
then they are hitting it awfully hard and they're they're

975
00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:45.119
handling weights that their bodies are not quite ready for

976
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:47.079
it because they've been training for you know, some of

977
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:50.440
them two three or four years and not they don't

978
00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:55.760
have the a long enough base and uh and they

979
00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:59.400
just don't They just don't hold up overall. And then

980
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:04.000
they know that has to compete also with the just

981
00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:06.440
just changing focus, you know, like they want to do

982
00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:09.679
something else. They realize that they're they're giving X number

983
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:13.280
of hours a week two to powerlifting when they could

984
00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:16.320
be doing something else. You know, I think it just

985
00:46:16.599 --> 00:46:19.480
it it is hard for a young lifter to come up,

986
00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:21.760
be successful and have longevity in the sport.

987
00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:26.239
Yeah, And I think it's it's it's for me hard

988
00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:27.840
to kind of think about that when you're you know,

989
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:30.360
maybe eighteen or nineteen, but like, do you want to

990
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:31.519
be a flash in the pan? Do you want to

991
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:33.559
do this a long time? So I kind of like recognized,

992
00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:36.960
like after I did my bodybuilding stan, I was like

993
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:37.440
I was.

994
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:38.119
Kind of missing it.

995
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:39.519
So it was kind of cool that had that time

996
00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:41.159
off and the other thing I kind of realized, like,

997
00:46:41.920 --> 00:46:43.239
oh my shoulders feel like better?

998
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:43.480
Am I?

999
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:44.880
Like you know, you just kind of like you know,

1000
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:47.679
like it's just it's just like different something like where

1001
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:52.880
going back to like you know, athletics where you kind

1002
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.800
of have this like general foundation, and I think that

1003
00:46:56.559 --> 00:47:00.079
powerlifters make it like so like almost too specific to

1004
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:02.480
too soon. And like a lot of us, we probably

1005
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:04.760
grew up with Arnold and cycloped, we just kind of

1006
00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:06.880
did more like kind of whether the workouts were good

1007
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:08.239
or not, we just did a lot of like just

1008
00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:11.800
general stuff maybe PDE calisonics whatever. We didn't just like

1009
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:14.440
go to like SBD SBD like from the get go.

1010
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:15.360
We had a little bit more.

1011
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:19.960
General exposure to things. So I think sometimes just maybe

1012
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:22.920
taking some time off. So one of the things I

1013
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:24.559
like to do with our guys too is sometimes it

1014
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:27.079
is just like you know, and some listen, some don't.

1015
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:29.280
But like it could be two weeks, it could be

1016
00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:31.360
one week, it could be three or four weeks, just

1017
00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:34.199
do like some machines or some maybe they like strong

1018
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:36.679
man training, maybe they like you know, maybe they like

1019
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:40.360
to We have a girl she uh, she likes to

1020
00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:42.320
do like swimming and running and stuff. So when she's

1021
00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:44.559
like not competing, like she'll do a little bit more

1022
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:46.039
of that, you know, and then she'll kind of come

1023
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:46.920
back to powerlifting.

1024
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:49.000
And and again it's like if you're not.

1025
00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:51.920
Like trying to break records, which most people are again

1026
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:53.960
calling a spade spade. Most people are not going to

1027
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:56.960
break an all time world records, just you know, uh,

1028
00:47:57.280 --> 00:47:59.119
there's nothing wrong with like coming back to it at

1029
00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:00.960
a later date and maybe having a little bit like

1030
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:03.719
have strength on the back burner for a little bit

1031
00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:05.559
and maybe you have a little bit more endurance or

1032
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:09.800
like body composition focus. I think that's always a kind

1033
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:11.719
of a I try to encourage some of our lifters,

1034
00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:14.119
you know, drop a little body fat after a meet,

1035
00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:15.920
you know, maybe do a little bit more like up

1036
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:19.000
your cardio a little bit, just change your training stimulus.

1037
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:20.840
I think it's also just good for your brain just

1038
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:22.280
to kind of do and then you kind of kind

1039
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:24.480
of miss some of the heavy lifting, you kind of

1040
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:27.000
come back to it, so just kind of spreading out

1041
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:29.199
the training plan a little bit, so you're not always

1042
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:31.360
like I think, I don't know if you were guilty

1043
00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:33.079
of this, but sometimes it's like okay, like when when's

1044
00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:35.239
the next meet, you finishing meet, when's when's the next meet?

1045
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:37.039
Or you get right back to it like kind of

1046
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:37.480
too soon.

1047
00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:40.840
Yeah, and that can kind of cause its own problem,

1048
00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:44.320
especially you know, maybe your spines, like you know, was

1049
00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:46.400
under a lot of stress, or you have some like

1050
00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:49.519
nagging injuries that need to be taken care of. So

1051
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:52.440
so that's just something where you know, think it a

1052
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:54.880
little bit more long term, and you know, whether it's

1053
00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:58.559
your training partners, your a sounding board a coach, try

1054
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:00.159
to have like a little bit more of like the

1055
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:01.840
long the long game in mind, which you know it's

1056
00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:04.559
easier said than done, but it's good to like think

1057
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:05.239
about these things.

1058
00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:06.719
If you do, if you do, if you're if your

1059
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:07.360
goal is to do this.

1060
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:10.960
For a long time, because ultimately, my belief is that

1061
00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:12.760
if you can kind of stay in the sport longer

1062
00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:16.199
or do this longer, you're gonna have a higher success.

1063
00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:18.079
Yeah, you know, just.

1064
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:20.960
Just have it. You're just spreading it out.

1065
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:24.119
So again, my kind of feeling is, I don't know

1066
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:25.920
if you ever had a lot of conversations with a

1067
00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:29.199
Brett Contrarast, but one of that we've we've had some

1068
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:31.920
conversations just about like kind of physiology and programming, and

1069
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:35.039
you know, when you increase your frequency, you're basically just

1070
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:38.239
kind of like speeding up the cycle his belief is

1071
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:41.639
and paraphrasing, But but if you increase your frequency, you

1072
00:49:41.679 --> 00:49:45.400
also potentially increase like your your risk. So I my,

1073
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:47.280
my kind of if I had to like kind of

1074
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:50.199
put my money on it or make an assumption, I

1075
00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:52.639
think the higher frequency lifters will just have a higher

1076
00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:56.840
burnout rate if like you know, but also I think

1077
00:49:56.880 --> 00:50:00.400
that they will hit their like potential like peak like sooner.

1078
00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:02.559
So like you said, like a lot of I think,

1079
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:04.159
you know, we sort of you know, people like you know,

1080
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:07.400
you know, Stan Efforting is a good example, like he

1081
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:09.519
hit a world record, and like I think in his forties,

1082
00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:12.320
we're seeing like those lifters kind of they might hit

1083
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:15.000
their peak at like twenty five instead a thirty five.

1084
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:17.679
You know, that's kind of my if I had to guess,

1085
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:22.519
that's kind of my that's kind of where But you know,

1086
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:24.079
I don't know, I could be wrong, but that's just

1087
00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:25.719
kind of I think. I think that you're going to

1088
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:29.440
see a lot more turnover for this that style of training.

1089
00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:31.480
But but you know, who knows.

1090
00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:35.599
Yeah, I think I'm paraphrasing agg Cone when I say, like,

1091
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:40.679
you only have yeah, x number of of of x

1092
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:45.679
weight douglass in your in your body, and and and

1093
00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:49.360
so if you burn them all at the beginning, or

1094
00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:52.719
you burn them all in training or whatever, then then

1095
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:56.119
then you just don't have them anymore. That that. You know,

1096
00:50:56.400 --> 00:51:00.639
I'm heavily paraphrasing here, but you get the idea that

1097
00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:05.880
you just have to manage. You have to essentially, like

1098
00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:08.719
it's load management. Basically, it's like load management for a

1099
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:12.679
for a longer term career powerlifting. There's just not the

1100
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:16.280
powerlifting has gotten not gotten into its load management area.

1101
00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:22.639
I think to run things back for just a second,

1102
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:24.760
you said you were on teenage and early Like when

1103
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:25.400
were you there?

1104
00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:30.599
Probably twenty twelve or so, twelve twenty thirteen.

1105
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:34.719
Yeah, so like, oh man, it's so it's so funny

1106
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:37.039
like when you start kind of like throwing names out

1107
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:37.639
there and stuff.

1108
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:45.519
So do you remember Peak? I think there's Peak Fitness

1109
00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:46.159
in New York City.

1110
00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:48.480
It's no longer a thing, but anyways, there was a

1111
00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:51.119
lot of places I was kind of pretty connected also

1112
00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:55.519
to just I would say general fitness. You know had

1113
00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:57.480
like you know, people like Krusty and Mike Boyle, and

1114
00:51:57.599 --> 00:51:59.360
because I was training athletes at the time, so I

1115
00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:00.679
was kind of like I felt like I was in

1116
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:03.239
two worlds. Where I was in like the powerlifting world

1117
00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:06.679
was like my personal playground, but then like my professional

1118
00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:10.079
world was more trains, the conditioning, those sorts of things.

1119
00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:14.840
So I kind of rubbed elbows with different people. Yeah,

1120
00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:18.880
Like in twenty between like twenty ten and twenty twelve,

1121
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:20.880
I was kind of really up and coming. So like

1122
00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:25.719
I went to do internship observational internship at Boyle's and Cressey's.

1123
00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:27.119
Tony General Corp.

1124
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:28.559
Was there at the time, and I think that you

1125
00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:32.360
know Tony pretty well, and I was just trying to

1126
00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:34.079
like learn from as many people as possible. I was

1127
00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:35.840
visiting a lot of gyms I went. I did my

1128
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:39.920
first CHIP trip to Westside Barbill I think on twenty twelve.

1129
00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:42.360
I remember when like Louis Simmons like answered my email.

1130
00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:45.760
I was like I cann't like believe it. And then

1131
00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:48.599
and then slowly over time I just got more into

1132
00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:51.480
you know, kind of powerlifting and went I went back

1133
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:54.320
to Westside in twenty seventeen for I spent a week there,

1134
00:52:54.360 --> 00:52:57.599
but but Yeah, in that timeframe, there was like, you know,

1135
00:52:57.679 --> 00:52:59.440
a lot of it was like, you know, the powerlifting people,

1136
00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:01.039
and there was more like the general fitness people and

1137
00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:04.840
the strength of conditioning crowd, and it was just like

1138
00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:08.320
one of those things where I felt like, I don't know,

1139
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:09.719
it's like kind of it was kind of like a

1140
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:11.599
little bit of your stand of approval. So at the time,

1141
00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:13.199
I was trying to make a name for myself get

1142
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:17.079
more established. Yeah, and that's where all the great coaches,

1143
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:20.039
the Dan Johns of the world, and you know, the Cresses,

1144
00:53:20.119 --> 00:53:22.960
the Boyles and you know, and all those people like

1145
00:53:23.079 --> 00:53:25.599
Jim Wendler, like everyone was this kind of on teenation.

1146
00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:28.840
So I felt like that was just a natural you know,

1147
00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:31.159
I don't know, if nothing else, I kind of met

1148
00:53:31.159 --> 00:53:32.679
a lot of people through there, and I think a lot.

1149
00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:36.320
Of us before social media, like the forums and in

1150
00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:36.840
different things.

1151
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:38.519
That was just kind of how you communicated and got

1152
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:41.679
ideas from people, and it was cool. It definitely has

1153
00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:44.920
changed over the years, and yeah, so I was kind

1154
00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:47.000
of like in between like different circles and then slowly,

1155
00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:51.800
i'd say, like around like twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, like

1156
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:54.079
when 'ra awlifting started to really emerge as like the

1157
00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:57.079
prominent like force and powerlifting. Then a lot of my

1158
00:53:57.159 --> 00:54:00.760
wrestlers started to graduate and I and I was like,

1159
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:03.480
so in twenty twelve, it was like our first like

1160
00:54:03.559 --> 00:54:06.599
kind of parallating competition like as a team. So I

1161
00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:07.960
was like, hey, why don't you guys just do this

1162
00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:12.119
meat with me? Like you guys aren't wrestling anymore. And

1163
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:13.800
that was kind of like how our team was formed

1164
00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:16.880
and then and then kind of the rest was history.

1165
00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:19.000
And I think, yeah, I think around like twenty fourteen

1166
00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:23.400
was when you know, kind of Larry was getting on

1167
00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:25.880
the scene and you know, we went to Boss Barbell

1168
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:28.360
Club and we had the meet at Jesse Burdick's gym,

1169
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:30.760
and it's just there was a lot of great times

1170
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:32.440
in California. I'll say a lot of a lot of

1171
00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:34.840
the big meats were on the West Coast, as you know.

1172
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:36.960
Yeah, and there was a lot of there's a lot

1173
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:37.760
of history there.

1174
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:39.679
Like a lot of the world records were broken on

1175
00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:42.800
the West Coast, and I believe like a lot of

1176
00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:45.480
the meats that you were a part of and everyone

1177
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:47.880
else like that was I think that really kind of

1178
00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:52.519
put parallating in a different, different level, in terms of participation,

1179
00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:56.679
in terms of awareness. It's just really interesting to see

1180
00:54:56.679 --> 00:55:00.239
like kind of where it's gone and how the culture

1181
00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:01.440
a shifted. But it was a really it was a

1182
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:03.639
really fun time to be like in the sport.

1183
00:55:04.039 --> 00:55:04.239
You know.

1184
00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:06.599
It's funny most of the people who are members of

1185
00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:09.719
this gym have like literally like no idea about any

1186
00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:12.480
of that history, about my history, about Mike, and you know,

1187
00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:14.519
they just don't don't know. It's like, wait a minute,

1188
00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:16.880
you guys did a podcast before, or you do a

1189
00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:18.840
podcast now that most a lot of our members don't

1190
00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:24.719
even get that we that this this happens. I yeah,

1191
00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:27.440
I My experience with teenage started in like two thousand

1192
00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:30.800
and three and really kind of just went through probably

1193
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:33.960
two thousand and six, two thousand and seven is but

1194
00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:35.960
like I was part of even part of a splinter

1195
00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:40.199
group that went to another site, uh, and that included

1196
00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:44.039
Eric Kressy and totally general Core and those you know,

1197
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:46.800
and Joel Barry in and and a lot of a

1198
00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:51.880
lot of people that are very recognizable now, like people

1199
00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:54.119
who made names for themselves can be stuck in it.

1200
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:56.840
And when I when I started, I had no intention

1201
00:55:57.320 --> 00:56:00.119
of being involved in the industry at all. I was

1202
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:01.719
just trying to lift, you know, I was just just

1203
00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:03.400
trying to figure it out, especially when I was like,

1204
00:56:04.039 --> 00:56:08.920
you know, forty almost at that point, and so actually

1205
00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:12.199
I was forty that year. So yeah, like it was

1206
00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:16.840
a very late in lightlifter life, late in life lifter

1207
00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:22.719
as a serious lifter, you know, and that that that

1208
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:26.320
was over, you know, in like ten years, ten twelve years.

1209
00:56:27.159 --> 00:56:28.639
That's the most I could do. I think the most

1210
00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:30.360
we were talking about the number of meats, Like I

1211
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:33.119
think the number the most meats that I did in

1212
00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:35.760
a year was three, and that was a lot. That

1213
00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:38.960
was like a whole lot.

1214
00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:39.760
Yeah.

1215
00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:42.239
I think that if you're especially if you're really kind

1216
00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:44.320
of like hitting the gas, like as you get older,

1217
00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:48.119
like maybe you have like one serious meat and then one.

1218
00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:49.480
Like kind of fun meat.

1219
00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:52.039
Yeah, yeah, that's kind of like and then and then

1220
00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:53.480
again with the single lifts up, I think you can

1221
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:56.480
kind of compete a little bit more often. But but yeah,

1222
00:56:56.480 --> 00:56:59.119
full competition is a lot once you kind of you know,

1223
00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:00.719
especially when you get some serious.

1224
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:02.079
Weight and you start getting a little mileage on you.

1225
00:57:03.320 --> 00:57:06.239
Yeah, I see some of these people, like you look

1226
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:07.679
at their open power lifting and you're.

1227
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:09.320
Like, how are you?

1228
00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:11.159
But some people just you know, they may be they

1229
00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:13.079
have good recovery genetics or they just really take care

1230
00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:13.679
of themselves.

1231
00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:15.199
But yeah, it's a lot.

1232
00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:20.440
Yeah, So you were talking about about strict Curl and

1233
00:57:20.679 --> 00:57:23.079
you had told me a few days ago that you're

1234
00:57:23.119 --> 00:57:26.239
doing a strict Curl meet out here someplace or in La.

1235
00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:30.679
It's gonna be at Larry Wheel's Jim It's an one's

1236
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:36.119
Clairemont we have. It's really it's really incredible. It's so

1237
00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:41.719
like funny. How So a little bit of background, So

1238
00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:44.800
what twenty twenty was a really interesting time because people

1239
00:57:44.840 --> 00:57:48.119
were just like looking for stuff to do. And I

1240
00:57:48.159 --> 00:57:50.960
don't want to like give Larry credit for this, but

1241
00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:52.440
I think he was certainly part of I don't know,

1242
00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:55.280
do you ever Do you ever follow Nick Strength and

1243
00:57:55.360 --> 00:57:57.639
Power It's a YouTube channel like kind of bodybuilding news

1244
00:57:57.679 --> 00:57:59.320
and anyways.

1245
00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:00.880
Popular new YouTube channel.

1246
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:04.079
It's it's mostly bodybuilding stuff, but he also, uh sometimes

1247
00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:06.360
he'll kind of report on strong man and powerlifting and

1248
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:08.920
you know, just it's just kind of like a like

1249
00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:12.320
a strength news, strength and fitness news channel kind of thing.

1250
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:15.800
But so Larry among others were like kind of just

1251
00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:17.519
it was one of those things where like he just

1252
00:58:17.719 --> 00:58:19.960
was like I'm gonna max out on strict Curl and

1253
00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:22.880
you got like one kind of viral and then all

1254
00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:25.360
these different people, these NFL people were like doing strict

1255
00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:26.800
curl and like it was like, you know, they had

1256
00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:28.960
people over. It was just kind of like a thing

1257
00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:31.760
for a little bit. And strict curl has always been

1258
00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:35.360
kind of around, you know. CT Fletcher like had the

1259
00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:41.119
American records for like at one point. And uh So

1260
00:58:41.320 --> 00:58:43.199
besides like the I S c A, which is like

1261
00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:45.039
CT Fletcher's kind of meet that was kind of like

1262
00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:47.039
a once a year kind of thing. And there's a

1263
00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:50.039
guy in San Diego, Dave Depew and a grinder Jim

1264
00:58:50.119 --> 00:58:53.119
And actually I don't know if you ever stay in

1265
00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:53.639
touch with a J.

1266
00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:54.880
Roberts, but he kind of.

1267
00:58:55.519 --> 00:58:59.440
You know what I should I've been I should he

1268
00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:00.880
was part of that early group of people.

1269
00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:01.159
Yeah.

1270
00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:04.559
Yeah, I'm actually, well, hope my plan is to connect

1271
00:59:04.599 --> 00:59:06.119
with eight because I've been more in touch with him

1272
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:08.119
because he's starting to run meets and coach a little

1273
00:59:08.159 --> 00:59:08.400
bit more.

1274
00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:10.199
But AJ's gonna also.

1275
00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:13.880
Kind of link up with us in January seventeenth when

1276
00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:16.840
we go down anyway, it's just kind of like kind

1277
00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:19.239
of you know, one of those guys that's like well

1278
00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:21.400
connected in like the west that West Side community, and

1279
00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:23.639
he's a good dude and you know, someone I consider

1280
00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:28.559
a friend. But so so yeah, so all of this

1281
00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:32.000
different federation started popping up in twenty twenty one, and

1282
00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:37.760
I had one of my guys, his name is John Archibald.

1283
00:59:36.039 --> 00:59:37.159
I want to do this strict curl meet.

1284
00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:40.039
And I'm like, I've I did a power curl meet

1285
00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:43.599
like when I was like eighteen, in this WNPF organization.

1286
00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:45.440
But I was like, I don't really know how to

1287
00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:46.960
prep for it. I don't even know if it's safe.

1288
00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:48.599
I don't know if you're going to tear your bicep.

1289
00:59:48.679 --> 00:59:52.360
But yeah, see of those, I'm like, I guess we'll

1290
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:54.199
try him and see what happens and hope, you know,

1291
00:59:54.440 --> 00:59:57.440
hope that. So anyways, he ended up doing pretty well.

1292
00:59:57.480 --> 00:59:59.800
I think he curled like one sixty five. One seventy

1293
00:59:59.920 --> 01:00:03.559
was a big number. And they started to host us.

1294
01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:05.559
They had some striccurl meets at the Arnold. So we've

1295
01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:08.440
we've been going we've always been going to the Arnold.

1296
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:09.880
That's a whole other thing. We've been going to the

1297
01:00:09.960 --> 01:00:13.199
Arnold for power litting for for years, so I'm like,

1298
01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:14.760
I felt like kind of a little bit like washed up.

1299
01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:16.559
I'm like, now I'm coaching people for strict curl at

1300
01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:16.960
the Arnold.

1301
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:19.360
This seems like kind of this seems kind of lame,

1302
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:22.800
but any but anyways, I digress. So, so we had

1303
01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:25.599
Big John started to do really well. So now fast forward.

1304
01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:29.239
Big John recently curled two hundred and ten pounds, is

1305
01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:32.079
one of the top curlers in the country. We have

1306
01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:38.000
another guy, Ed Joseph. Ed Joseph has records in different federations.

1307
01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:40.039
In the one twenty he's curled one twenty eight at

1308
01:00:40.039 --> 01:00:42.679
one twenty three body weight, which is crazy. And then

1309
01:00:42.679 --> 01:00:45.199
he's done around like I think one thirty five and

1310
01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:47.360
like the one thirty two weight classes, so he's done

1311
01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:50.360
over a bodyweight curl in two different weight classes. My

1312
01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:52.840
wife's curled over one hundred pounds. We have another girl,

1313
01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:55.760
Hannah's curled over one hundred pounds. So anyways, it's starting

1314
01:00:55.760 --> 01:00:57.920
to be like more competitive. And there's like this World

1315
01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:01.679
World Championships in Virginia Beach, so one of the things.

1316
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:05.000
So most of this is just a whole aside note

1317
01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:06.719
that we need not not that we need to get

1318
01:01:06.719 --> 01:01:09.880
into this whole uh kind of tested untested thing. But

1319
01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:12.960
what I kind of noticed for a strict CURL is

1320
01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:15.760
that majority of the meats are drug tested meats only

1321
01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:18.719
vast majority of drug tested, so which which is cool

1322
01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:20.880
and I have no problem with it. But now with

1323
01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:23.840
the advent of peptides and TRT and all this stuff,

1324
01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:26.440
I just think it's good to have options for everyone

1325
01:01:26.440 --> 01:01:28.480
because then also it kind of limits like cheating and stuff,

1326
01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:31.239
because it's one of those things where you know, I

1327
01:01:31.239 --> 01:01:33.320
think for sport and for records, and obviously you know,

1328
01:01:33.400 --> 01:01:35.719
as you know, you could take that stuff too far.

1329
01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:37.519
But I do think there is like a medical and

1330
01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:39.760
that again that's a you know, a whole other can

1331
01:01:39.800 --> 01:01:43.000
of worms, but a lot like someone like myself, like

1332
01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:44.280
I just want to have fun. I don't want to

1333
01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:46.880
have to worry about like getting my underwear checked, pissing

1334
01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:49.880
in a cup, like I just want to susteriously. It's

1335
01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:52.960
like not to as throciate it any federations.

1336
01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:55.239
But again, the underwear thing is the strangest shit.

1337
01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:57.840
It's like it's always the thing I bring up because

1338
01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:00.679
it's like we could change the rule book. Guys, it's

1339
01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:04.880
totally you guys have like it's really not. But so

1340
01:02:05.079 --> 01:02:06.960
like for me at this point in my like life,

1341
01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:10.280
being twenty years into competing, like I'm just not interested

1342
01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:13.079
in like doing that personally, and most of our lifters

1343
01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:15.360
are just they just want to do this for fun. Yeah,

1344
01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:18.960
So we started a Strict Curl Federation in the Strict

1345
01:02:18.960 --> 01:02:21.079
Curl Division in the rps that we're getting. We have

1346
01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:23.039
a lot of meats in uh, We're having one in

1347
01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:25.639
New England, We're having some in New York and Delaware,

1348
01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:28.519
look at the potentially do one in Kentucky.

1349
01:02:29.679 --> 01:02:31.840
But yeah, we wanted to bring one to Larry Wheels Jamis.

1350
01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:33.559
We have one of some of the top strict We

1351
01:02:33.639 --> 01:02:35.639
have a couple of guys curling over two hundred pounds.

1352
01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:38.239
We have a couple of guys that are in the

1353
01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:40.679
lighterweight classes that can curl like their body weight or more.

1354
01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:43.239
We're trying to get a few more females on the roster.

1355
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:45.760
But it's just kind of again, it's an exciting thing.

1356
01:02:46.519 --> 01:02:49.079
Anyone could really get an easy bar, find a wall.

1357
01:02:49.159 --> 01:02:52.400
It's very accessible. You don't need calibrated plates. You don't need.

1358
01:02:53.719 --> 01:02:55.599
To buy two hundred dollars knee sleeves.

1359
01:02:55.639 --> 01:02:58.920
You could just you could just you need an easy

1360
01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:01.199
Most people like five into an easy bar for free,

1361
01:03:01.239 --> 01:03:04.119
like you know, like in their home you see an

1362
01:03:04.119 --> 01:03:06.239
easy bar to I don't know if you follow massonmics,

1363
01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:09.559
but they say like easy bart is a peers in

1364
01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:11.039
your home gym. You don't even have to do anything.

1365
01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:14.719
We have one. I have no idea where it came from.

1366
01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:16.679
It's like I didn't buy it, so.

1367
01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:19.480
Just just appears, so like you don't even need to

1368
01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:21.119
get a bar. It's just gonna. It's just gonna. The

1369
01:03:21.159 --> 01:03:22.639
bar is gonna find you.

1370
01:03:23.599 --> 01:03:25.880
But anyway, so we wanted to provide a meat that

1371
01:03:25.960 --> 01:03:29.079
was more accessible to people. You don't need a lot

1372
01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:30.880
of time. You could, you could train it once a week.

1373
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:33.440
You don't need to like have if you have n problems,

1374
01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:36.280
back problems. So, uh, it's just been something that's been

1375
01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:38.400
really fun and we wanted to have. So we're gonna

1376
01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:40.239
and I think obviously Larry is a big name, so

1377
01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:43.119
we just want to promote more strength sports. And one

1378
01:03:43.159 --> 01:03:45.440
of the things that we're trying to do it's just

1379
01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:47.360
kind of make it like a lower barrier of entry.

1380
01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:48.079
It's still competitive.

1381
01:03:48.079 --> 01:03:49.880
We're still gonna keep records, you can still kind of

1382
01:03:49.880 --> 01:03:53.159
We're gonna have a nationals for strict curl next June

1383
01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:56.880
and uh in a Newcastle, Delaware, So you can take

1384
01:03:56.880 --> 01:03:58.880
it as serious as you want, just like powerlifting. But

1385
01:03:58.920 --> 01:04:02.199
again it's it's a lower cost on your body and

1386
01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:03.719
it's just like fun.

1387
01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:04.159
It's just fun.

1388
01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:05.719
You get just you know, it's like okay, like how

1389
01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:07.639
much you know, just like how much you bench. It's like,

1390
01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:09.880
all right, well how much can you curl? And just

1391
01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:11.840
kind of like do a fun thing. And what I

1392
01:04:11.880 --> 01:04:16.320
was very surprised on because of the nature of some

1393
01:04:16.360 --> 01:04:18.440
of the bars and stuff. A lot of the competition

1394
01:04:18.519 --> 01:04:19.800
bars you can have a little bit more of like

1395
01:04:20.039 --> 01:04:23.440
a pronated grip and so your biceps a little bit

1396
01:04:23.480 --> 01:04:26.719
less exposed, and it's it's it's relatively Again there's risk

1397
01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:29.119
in anything you do, but in terms of like worst

1398
01:04:29.159 --> 01:04:31.199
case it happens if you strain your form or bicef,

1399
01:04:31.239 --> 01:04:32.599
you kind of set it down. You're not gonna like

1400
01:04:33.199 --> 01:04:35.119
have a thousand pounds like top of or even like

1401
01:04:35.239 --> 01:04:37.519
even the strongest guys that are calling two hundred pounds

1402
01:04:38.119 --> 01:04:40.840
the absolute weight is so much lower. So I just

1403
01:04:40.840 --> 01:04:43.639
think psychologically it's just like not as taxing on you,

1404
01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:45.519
like getting under like a big squad.

1405
01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:47.760
It's like, you know, it's like you got to be

1406
01:04:47.800 --> 01:04:48.320
like up for.

1407
01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:48.920
That, you know.

1408
01:04:49.519 --> 01:04:52.000
So there's like a psychological toll and there's a physical

1409
01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:55.880
toll to like the final compression. So I think again,

1410
01:04:55.880 --> 01:04:58.679
a lot of people think it's my buddy, uh Chris

1411
01:04:58.800 --> 01:05:01.639
he Owensburg and County. Well, he's a really good multiply lifter,

1412
01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:03.519
and he busts my chops all the time. He's like,

1413
01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:06.880
there's nothing more lame than competitive biceps curling. But but uh,

1414
01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:08.559
but you know, it's a fun thing and like I've

1415
01:05:08.559 --> 01:05:10.400
been enjoying it. My wife's really good at it. We

1416
01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:12.480
have a bunch of people that are kind of nationally

1417
01:05:13.159 --> 01:05:15.920
kind of ranked, and it'll be our first one in

1418
01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:18.480
the on the West coast. We're gonna we want to

1419
01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:20.239
try to do more stuff at Larry Gym because we

1420
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:23.000
think that now he's like such a he's kind of

1421
01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:25.239
like transcended powerlifting a bit at this point and he's

1422
01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:26.320
more like mainstream.

1423
01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:28.039
He's more mainstream now for sure.

1424
01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:30.760
And it's kind of cool that, you know, powerlifting and

1425
01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:32.559
strength sports is kind of his roots. We want to

1426
01:05:32.599 --> 01:05:34.159
kind of like expose is a little bit more of

1427
01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:36.079
a general audience to like, hey, this is something you

1428
01:05:36.159 --> 01:05:39.320
could do help with your muscle mass, bone density, whatever.

1429
01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:41.639
It's something fun because I think at the end of

1430
01:05:41.639 --> 01:05:43.400
the day, like if it gets people to the gym

1431
01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:46.840
and they're excited about it. And in terms of like

1432
01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:50.440
that meat on January seventeenth, we're gonna have some of

1433
01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:52.119
the best stric crowers in the country, so it'll be

1434
01:05:52.199 --> 01:05:54.480
like a good show. And what's nice about strick crow

1435
01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:56.960
is you're not gonna be there all day till like

1436
01:05:57.039 --> 01:06:00.840
nine o'clock at night. It's a it's very fast, and

1437
01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:02.760
that's something that I've kind of said a while. I

1438
01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:04.880
think if if power lifting really wanted to be like

1439
01:06:04.880 --> 01:06:08.400
a spectator sport, he's got to somehow figure out a

1440
01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:10.679
way to shorten the competition or do like single lifts

1441
01:06:10.719 --> 01:06:13.760
type stuff because it's just it's just too long.

1442
01:06:13.800 --> 01:06:14.800
It's just hard to follow.

1443
01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:17.559
But something like strict crow which is a single lift thing,

1444
01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:21.719
it's uh and because the absolute poundage is lower, it

1445
01:06:21.880 --> 01:06:23.639
just makes the event you don't need to you don't

1446
01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:25.920
need like you don't need a thousand pounds worth of plates.

1447
01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:29.840
You may maybe maybe you need two hundred pounds, maybe

1448
01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:33.000
two twenty, and you just don't need a lot of spotterers.

1449
01:06:33.039 --> 01:06:35.800
It's very safe, you know, you're not because sometimes even

1450
01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:38.159
when you get to those thousand pounds squats, uh, the

1451
01:06:38.199 --> 01:06:39.559
spotters are in danger too.

1452
01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:42.920
Oh yeah, absolutely, I've seen somebody basically lose part of

1453
01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:45.280
a finger and just.

1454
01:06:45.199 --> 01:06:48.920
That's uh yeah, it gets, it gets, it gets really sketchy.

1455
01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:50.920
And that's one thing I'm just not a big fan of.

1456
01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:53.800
There's a lot of things I like about tested powerlifting,

1457
01:06:53.880 --> 01:06:56.119
the IPF, but the combo rocks is not like my

1458
01:06:56.159 --> 01:06:59.199
favorite thing for safe for safety for big guys, it's

1459
01:06:59.199 --> 01:07:01.639
not you know, but you know, I don't know. This

1460
01:07:01.679 --> 01:07:03.400
is not a lot if someone kind of like tear

1461
01:07:03.519 --> 01:07:05.400
something with a big squad, there's just not a lot.

1462
01:07:05.480 --> 01:07:08.360
Uh. But but yeah, we're real excited for it.

1463
01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:09.960
And like I said, it's just there's a lot of

1464
01:07:10.039 --> 01:07:11.960
history in California and we're he's hoping to bring more

1465
01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:14.440
strength sports to the area and just more stuff, and

1466
01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:16.840
I think using Lowry is kind of a vehicle to

1467
01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:19.880
help promote it and just get more people involved, like

1468
01:07:19.960 --> 01:07:22.639
just getting under you know, the barbell that's kind of

1469
01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:24.400
like our goal with like our events, and just kind

1470
01:07:24.400 --> 01:07:25.679
of make it just a little bit more fun, a

1471
01:07:25.719 --> 01:07:28.360
little bit more accessible, you know, to the average person.

1472
01:07:29.320 --> 01:07:31.000
I think it's kind of a throwback to the old

1473
01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:33.760
the odd lifts where powerlifting and strong man came from

1474
01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:36.199
in the first place. And I know that APA did

1475
01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:38.400
used to do strict curl a long time ago.

1476
01:07:38.800 --> 01:07:40.880
That's so funny. So do you want to know what

1477
01:07:40.920 --> 01:07:45.760
my last competition was an APA strict curl me? We

1478
01:07:45.800 --> 01:07:49.559
did Mister America. So it's so funny because apparently I

1479
01:07:49.559 --> 01:07:53.039
didn't know they were still around. But my buddy I

1480
01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:57.440
just met him, Robbie, He's like, yeah, it's like APA,

1481
01:07:57.480 --> 01:07:58.679
we're like the oldest federation.

1482
01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:00.280
I'm like, I didn't know you guys were still around.

1483
01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:01.639
So uh.

1484
01:08:01.679 --> 01:08:03.880
They they use like the regular like kind of easy

1485
01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:06.159
bar and it was a lot, it was a lot harder,

1486
01:08:06.920 --> 01:08:08.280
it was a lot. It was a lot of fun.

1487
01:08:08.639 --> 01:08:10.280
But yeah, it was just funny because I'm like, I

1488
01:08:10.280 --> 01:08:12.039
didn't know the APA was like still around, but yeah,

1489
01:08:12.079 --> 01:08:14.440
apparently they're they're like the oldest federation and they were

1490
01:08:15.039 --> 01:08:16.680
the first. Uh, because I was looking at some of

1491
01:08:16.680 --> 01:08:19.319
their record their international records, they're pretty like serious.

1492
01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:21.279
So it must have been from back in the day.

1493
01:08:21.399 --> 01:08:23.680
Some like crazy uh I don't.

1494
01:08:23.479 --> 01:08:25.479
Know, genetic freaks.

1495
01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:28.319
Some Russian like freaks or something, you know, like uh,

1496
01:08:28.439 --> 01:08:30.479
you know, just like we're crowing like two hundred pounds

1497
01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:32.279
or something. I'm like, but but it was cool. It

1498
01:08:32.319 --> 01:08:34.920
was fun, Like I said, it just uh, it's just

1499
01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:38.279
like it's just the psychological and physical costs is just

1500
01:08:38.319 --> 01:08:41.960
so much lower. But you could just still have fun

1501
01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:43.960
and lift some weight and and not be afraid that

1502
01:08:43.960 --> 01:08:45.199
you're going to like cripple yourself.

1503
01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:49.960
So you know, yeah, well, I mean I have no

1504
01:08:50.039 --> 01:08:52.439
reason in my mind why it wouldn't just you know,

1505
01:08:52.680 --> 01:08:55.359
grow in popularity. If you think about in the last

1506
01:08:55.439 --> 01:08:57.960
like five to seven years, handlifting has gotten to be

1507
01:08:58.000 --> 01:09:02.760
a big thing, and like it's that's more your I mean,

1508
01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:06.119
that's that's more of a strain than than a strict

1509
01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:08.000
curl would be. It seems like a strict curl the

1510
01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:10.439
barrier to entry is a lot lower.

1511
01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:12.359
Yeah.

1512
01:09:12.439 --> 01:09:16.479
Yeah, well thanks for coming on with me. Where can

1513
01:09:16.479 --> 01:09:17.399
people find you? John?

1514
01:09:18.279 --> 01:09:20.920
Yeah, I'm at Gaglion Strength and all the social media's

1515
01:09:21.159 --> 01:09:22.960
but yeah, just give us a follow up, mostly active

1516
01:09:22.960 --> 01:09:25.399
on social We also got a pretty active YouTube channel

1517
01:09:26.680 --> 01:09:29.840
more longerform stuff, and we also have a podcast called

1518
01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:32.800
Paralleating for the People, and we kind of talk all things,

1519
01:09:33.079 --> 01:09:33.399
you know.

1520
01:09:33.439 --> 01:09:35.800
Strength related, because at the end of the day, we.

1521
01:09:35.720 --> 01:09:37.880
Just want to make strength training and parating accessible for

1522
01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:40.000
as many people as we can, Like I said, not

1523
01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:41.720
just for like the genetic freaks of the world, but

1524
01:09:41.800 --> 01:09:43.880
just for like the everyday people as well.

1525
01:09:43.880 --> 01:09:44.960
And I appreciate you coming on.

1526
01:09:45.119 --> 01:09:46.640
It was great to kind of catch up with you, and,

1527
01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:47.800
like I said, a lot of my a lot of

1528
01:09:47.800 --> 01:09:50.399
great memories we kind of shared together. Yeah, on the

1529
01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:54.359
West Coast, and I'm excited to be coming back soon.

1530
01:09:55.239 --> 01:09:57.159
I think we should have coordinate a wardrobe because I

1531
01:09:57.359 --> 01:10:00.239
was wearing a shirt that did not have sleeves before

1532
01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:02.199
I sat down here, but I changed my shirt and

1533
01:10:02.279 --> 01:10:06.399
I've made a hideous mistake. Anyway, I am at dj

1534
01:10:06.479 --> 01:10:08.840
McDon all the social media. This show is fifty percent facts.

1535
01:10:08.840 --> 01:10:10.640
For a percent is a word in fifty is just numbers.

1536
01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:13.159
Fifty percent facts in speaker Pine Podcast associates with o

1537
01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:15.399
Art Media on the Obscure Celebrity Network. And I will

1538
01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:17.119
talk to you again sure

1539
01:10:18.920 --> 01:10:40.039
Thanks man, yeah,