Mission-driven Fitness | Guest Kevin Meier (@purebullfit)

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And we're live right all right. This is Jim and

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I am continuing my series of just talking to people

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that I want to talk to on this podcast without

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I held a lot of agenda beyond that. And I've

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got Kevin with me today. Kevin just kind of nutshell

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who you are and what you're doing right now.

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I was tempted to go Mike Myers from so I

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married an axe murderer, A nutshell. I've been a nutshell.

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I'm Kevin. I'm a former marine. I've worked in video

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game development before I figured out what I wanted to

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do with my life. When a strong man coach by

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the name of Scott Brangle from East Coast West Coast

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strength Conditioning saved my life. And then I've been since

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then passionately pursuing attempting to help folks live longer, better

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quality lives through incorporating activity, pushing back against the nonsense

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of the fitness industry, learning my lessons from that, you know,

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becoming the thing you hate. And now I'm moving forward

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attempting to turn my community into a nonprofit organization that

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will help people everywhere live longer, better quality lives through

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providing low and no cost resources so that they can

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do that.

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Actually, before we jump into all of that, let me

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ask you the question about low or no. Yeah, there's

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always an impulse to be able to provide something at

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such minimal costs or no cost. But there's also a

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feeling that if somebody doesn't pay just a little bit

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for something, you know, like five bucks or whatever, they

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don't value it as much. Do you? How do you

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feel about that?

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So I think that there are multiple avenues of learning,

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and that there are multiple avenues of investment. I have

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run into that been coaching for about twelve years now,

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since before I actually left Blizzard Entertainment, which is a

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funny story we might get into that. And I did

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it for free. Initially people didn't value it as much.

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I started to charge people valued it more than I

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started making decisions based off what is the minimum amount

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I can charge to comfortably live doing just this, And

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then with the economy the way that it was the time,

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how that fluctuates that quickly it became very quickly apparent

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that it wasn't an intelligent way to live. When you know,

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training is one of the first things people are going

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to cut out in anxious times. So I've really. And

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I also, you know, when you make something your job,

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you love it less. So I can either have a

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mission or I can have a job. And I have

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elected to take a mission. And my job is to

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work at a nonprofit international preparatory school. So I work

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with students every day that pays the bills. That makes

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me happy. I like those interactions. But going back to

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answer the question specifically, getting people, and it's usually on

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a one on one basis to be invested effort wise,

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goal wise. These things can overcome the not valuing it

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because it's free, but it's also one of those things

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where if you don't have it and you need it

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and you can't afford it, that is the absolute worst

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reason on the planet, worst obstacle on the planet. Money

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shouldn't never be the one barrier between you and becoming

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healthier and getting control of your life and all the

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other great things that can come from being more physically active.

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Yeah, no, I would, I would agree with you. I

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just like one example kind of from my life is,

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you know, back in the st days, there was a

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point at which it became free, and to me, that's

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that's when the cohesion started to come apart, right because

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it was too easy to be involved on a casual

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basis and not be there for I mean, but before that,

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when people were paying you, there was almost always somebody

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to train with who was interested in training with you,

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and people would show up to two meets to help out,

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you know, spot load judge, and and it became much

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harder and you have to start saying, well, to get free,

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then you have to be able to to to bring

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something else to the table. And and while that was

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a good notion, it still just was never quite the

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same after that. After the point that it became free,

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you know, people just could could drop in and out

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for months at a time. And not that that doesn't

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happen in the paid world, because I can tell you

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it's owning a gym that certainly happens to put the

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on hold or whatever or whatever.

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But so I think one of the ways that we

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can get past that looking at it from a nonprofit

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community point of view instead of a movement that is

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also a business sort of thing, is that you can

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expect people to contribute into other people's lives. So once

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you build connections between people, there's investment and it's reciprocal.

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So if I do a go fit yourself challenge, which

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is one of the things that I intend to do

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and I get I don't know plint numbers out of

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thin air, one hundred people to participate in that. They

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go through that challenge together, they form bonds, they continue

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to support each other. At the end of the day,

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it doesn't matter if they are if they have perfect attendance,

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because very much part of the lesson is falling off

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the wagon and getting back on. Yeah, if you go

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through a fitness or a life change, or you change

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your body and you don't learn how to fail and

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then get back up and continue to go, you didn't

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learn all the lessons that you need to that process.

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Yeah, I would agree with that. This type of challenge,

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is it more of a strength focus strength and health focus?

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Is it? Is it like, is there a weight loss element.

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That you're you're seeing or it's community focused? So what

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the community needs at the time will drive what the

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challenges are. That's again the beautiful thing about a nonprofit

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is that the community owns it. Not the person who's driving,

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and not the person who's can you know, making it

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all work, Not the board, not any of the rest

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of it. The community determines what they need and what

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the responsive to. It is my job, and anybody who

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decides to get on the train and help me, it

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will be our job to flex to what it is

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that the community wants to do, because ultimately, if we

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can just push the direction into more activity, then so

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much is going to solve itself in. I am not

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betrothed to a single sport. I don't like bodybuilding. It's

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not my thing. I will never want to be a bodybuilder.

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But if that is the mechanism through which the most

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amount of people are going to get involved and start

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moving forward, then I will have an event that helps

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them do that, and I will bring in professionals that

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will judge and monitor and give advice. If it's powerlifting,

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we'll do that. Short of you know, competitive cocaine snorting.

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I'm going to go with what the community wants because

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what I want at the end of the day is

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a healthier community that is less dependent on medical intervention

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just to live.

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Yeah, I think that that's you know, And I think

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that I've been banging this drum a lot lately, and

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I'm trying to reinforce every time I see somebody say

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it online that like, it's not a short term commitment

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that we're talking about. It's it's not something that you

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can do for twelve weeks and then you're done. It's

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and it it runs counter to like everything about our

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food culture, everything about our our our kind of lack

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of exercise culture. You know that. And I haven't personally

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experienced this, but people complain about like, oh, I go

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to to a family event and I'm not eating everybody

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else's food, so they're you know, I brought my own

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food because I'm on a particular plan or whatever, and

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people criticize or make fun of me or whatever. I've

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never experienced that, but I guess it does happen, and

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it's just sort of a product of I think it's

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like I think it's like guilt and shame on the

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on the on the the part of the people who

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are who want to complain and want to want to

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to other people who are just doing it differently. It's like,

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this is just this is just how I need to

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do things. I you know, this is no no criticism

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of what you're doing. Is just this is what I

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need to do for me. You know.

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That's part of it. But part of it is Also,

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people need to be more accountable about the level of

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adversity that they allowed to be a preventative obstacle in

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their life. A couple of difficult conversations a year is

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not a good excuse not to be taking care of yourself. Yeah, frankly,

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And it's an opportunity instead of like in the one

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or two times it's ever happened to me, where I

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was making healthy choices and you know, some well meaning

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grandma came over to me. It was like, oh, no,

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you need to you need this peacan pi, you have

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to have your second slice. Well, right now, I've got

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this goal that I'm after. And while I really really

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enjoyed the little bit that I have, I've really got

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to stop now. And then sometimes that's planning seeds. My

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mom was egregiously overweight. My mom was five foot four

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and almost three hundred pounds until she was seventy seventy one. Yep,

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she was walking with a walker. My mom finally got

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sick of it. I guess, you know, impending thoughts of

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mortality finally got through because sometimes that's what it takes. Rshally,

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you need to go on, go on, buddy, And she

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said Kevin ad Simelt, so we started to work together.

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Mom is now at one hundred and ninety six pounds

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as of this morning, just came back from seeing her.

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While that is still very heavy for someone who is

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five foot four, she doesn't walk with a walker. She

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can scoot around for at seventy five years old, for

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up to a mile and a half before she really

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needs to sit down to rest. She goes to comic

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con conventions, dresses, up sells crocheted dragons that she made.

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She got one hundred and ten. She'd go into a

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comic con the middle of the next month. She will

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sell all of those crocheted dragons. She's a little hustler

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and she's got energy. And so it's like even with

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an incredibly late start, even with an incredibly high number

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she was two hundred and seventy one pounds, the difference

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can be made once we strip away the excuses that

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I was talking about, the judgments, and we get the investment.

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For my mom, it took a fear of death to

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do it, and unfortunately, that's the level is going to

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take for a lot of people. A close call, a

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family member dying of a heart attack when they're forty

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four years old.

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Things like that.

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I think I may have lost track of the topic conversation.

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I've begun to ramble.

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I apologize, No, you know you're not. Actually, I think

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you're very much on point, because it's the issues like

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what is what drives people? And how do you explain

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it to other folks? And it's like, well, you know what,

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I feel like that I will not I will not

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live out my expected lifespan if I do not make

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these changes in my life. And I hope you understand.

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I promised my wife that I would live to one

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hundred and five. She came up with that number. I

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don't know how I'm going to do it, but I'm

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going to try. So I've got to be a little

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more on point and a little healthier than other people.

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The original goal was ninety seven, but now I've got

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to add another Well, I would hope that all your

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harms way days are behind you, and then that's it.

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It's more likely that.

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Statistically, I at my best chance of survival right now.

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Yeah, So I guess let's backtrack into origins. You said

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you were in the Marines, and what kind of what

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time period was that, and what sort of thing were

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you facing then?

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So I was in the service for two distinct periods.

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I joined originally in two thousand and then my second

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day on my first duty station was nine eleven. Things

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got very difficult. I thought it was a prank. At first,

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I thought they were hazing us. They were not hazing us.

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It was a It was a bad deck. But then

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I got in two thousand and five in an attempt

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to save my first marriage. Spoiler alerted did not work,

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and then I came. I went back in in two

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thousand and seven. So two thousand and five to two

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thousand and seven I was out and then I went

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back in. My second period is the impactful period to

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me because in the first period I was just working

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on aircraft. It was busy and it was hard. But

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I wanted to do something, you know, at the time,

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to make me feel more like a man. So I

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ended up getting a job where I was liaised to

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the National Security Agency and we prosecuted the anti narcotic

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antic human trafficking mission out of Mexico predominantly, but also

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Central and South America. And that was a significant ramp

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up in responsibility, scope of mission and from what I

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was doing before I went from turning wrenches and making

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sure birds flew and landed and fixing them when they

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broke to much more, much more important work that unfortunately

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exposed me to the worst that human I hasked to offer,

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and the reason that my career ended in twenty twelve.

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It wasn't because of like I didn't get like shot

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by a cartel member or something like that. It was

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a dumb freak accident that caused permanent nerve damage on

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the left side of my body. We have this thing

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in the Marine Coops called MCMAPP. It's the Marine Corps

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Martial Arts Program, and we have an hour of sustainment

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each week that we have to do. I was an uki,

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which if you do a kido or many martial arts,

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Japanese martial arts, you know that is the person who

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the technique is demonstrated on, and we were demonstrating the

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neck crank, which is a pain compliance maneuver, not in

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fancy terms. You grab him by the chin in the

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back of the head and you turn real hard and

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it hurts, so it makes you go in the direction

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that you're like, I'm not a small dude. I'm At

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the time, I was six y three and two hundred

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and nineteen pounds right now, two hundred and seventy.

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And I went down.

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The last thing I remember, kind of comically is when

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done correctly was a last thing I heard, and I

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woke up in the hospital, so obviously it was not

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done correctly. Apparently ruptured six seven in my neck. Yeah, yeah,

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causing permanent damage nerve damage in my left arm. I

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have about thirty percent reduced sensation there. I have difficulty

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holding onto things or letting go of them, both physically

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and emotionally. I tried to really that hard about it,

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because you know, if we really talk about this, some

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of it's gonna get dark. Yeah, you know, I've got

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in addition to that, I have for other herniated discs

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one of my thoracic spine in three my lumbar spine,

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and they're fairly large. If you know anything about herniated discs,

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they range from eight millimeters to eleven millimeters. So I've

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got a lot of pressure on my psiatic nerve on

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the left side.

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So I have.

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Reduced sensation in my left leg as well, and it's

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it's quite painful. But because the Marine Corps also took

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a kidney. Yeah, I was a heat casualty. My organ

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started shutting down and only one of my kidneys came

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back online. Oh yeah, that was also during training. Not

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even a cool story. We didn't bring enough water and

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we went into the buttes in central Texas in the

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middle of summer when it was like one hundred and

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five degrees and I was hospitalized for dehydration. So I

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can't even take pain meds, so I live every single

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day in the kind of chronic pain I wouldn't wish

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on my worst enemy. And that led into me being

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medically retired and moving on to work at Blizard Entertainment,

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which is a video game company. But having this massive

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impactful mission that I thought was like doing the world

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good in retrospect, maybe not as much as I thought,

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but this very important mission that only sixty five other

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Marines were doing at the time, I had to take

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it away, and my purpose and my feeling of capability

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I could hardly walk around. All these other stuff caught

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up with me, and I started not want to be

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on Earth anymore. Some self destructive behavior, some destructive behavior

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that hurt people who didn't deserve it, and I was

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in a bad place. And that's when I decided. I

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got goaded into attending the Blizzard boot Camp, which I

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made fun of the name because I went to Marine

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Corps recruit training. I promise you, whatever they had, it's.

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Got nothing, got nothing on it. Yeah?

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Nothing. So I show up to this thing and I

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can hardly move around, and I tell Scott Brangle, who

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I don't even think Blizzard understood who they hired one

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of the very competitive, very well known middleweight in strong Man.

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He runs California's Strongest Man. Like this guy rubs elbows

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with Brian Shaw and Martin Leasy's and like some really

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big big names because he runs events that they compete at.

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This dude is doing the boot camps for a video

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game company. Like that just boggled my mind. It kind

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of doesn't track, it doesn't, but he loves doing it,

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so he's He holds Blizzard's Strongest Troll every year, where

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a bunch of us who buy in work out really hard,

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and then he holds a mini strong Man competition to

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determine who the strongest at Blizer Entertainment is and the

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winningest I cannot even say I am the winningest person.

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Oh that's a Renee Coyter equal size to me, very big,

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very athletic dude just kept winning over and over and over,

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agetting God bless him. We have been in a quiet

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competition ever since. Well I know, we follow each other

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on Facebook only to see where our lifts are at

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right now so that we can compare, because we've never

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like chilled and hung out. We're friendly, but it has

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always been about like, okay, how much you squad right now,

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how much you're deadlifted. But that, yeah, that saved my

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life because I went to him and I said, make

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a long story short. I said, hey, I'd like to

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do some pressing. I really can't do anything with my

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lower body. I've got this problem. I've got that problem.

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And bless his heart, he's old school. He literally looked

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at me and said fuck that camere and he grabbed

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me by the ear literally again, and he drug me

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over to the squad rack and he assessed my form,

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and in three years I went from not being able

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to complete one single body weight squat to squatting over

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four hundred pound At the time, I've squatted five point forty.

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Now as a disabled person, I've overhead pressed two hundred

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and fifty five strict press. I've bench pressed four hundred

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and twenty five four to fifteen for a pause. I'm

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still working on a six hundred pound deadlift. But for

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a guy who's can only feel half of his body

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and he's got significant spine damage, this man saved my life.

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He gave me a purpose. He let me come and

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do camps with him. When things got especially hard and

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I was no longer in a position to afford the training,

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he let me train for free. He just instilled in

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me a value of accomplishing big goals by breaking them

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down into small, manageable pieces like mesa cycle to microcycle,

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and just taught me how to do it. And he

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gave me such a love for it that I wanted

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to give that feeling to other people. And that is

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the feeling that I have been chasing ever since.

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What is the like? Neurologically? How does that? How did

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you overcome those things with it? Like just a very

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conscious thought of about what the muscles should be doing that?

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Oh, how do I squat not being able to feel

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my leg?

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Yeah?

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I think about my leg the entire time. It's like

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the reverse of a phantom limb. I have it, but

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I don't feel it. I don't not have it, but

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I feel it, so I have to think about it,

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and sometimes I collapse under the weight. That's why I

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always use safety bars. I don't use spotters because I

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might hurt somebody. In competition, I'm always nervous about it,

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and even if I'm doing sub five hundred on a squat,

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I will always ask for five people to spot because

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I'm competing against able bodied people. I don't want that

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to all back on some backspotter and to land on

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him and break his legs personal one. So it's real

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risk for me and I'm not going to put other

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people at risk because of that. But I think about it.

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I watch my knee on the way down, and I

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watch what it's doing, and I think about what it's

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supposed to do. And when I get to the bottom

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part of it, I'll be frank with you. I hope,

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I hope I stand up.

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That's all of us, really, but yeah, I get.

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But it's been a joy to find out what I'm

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capable of. And you usually don't find out what you're

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capable of until you don't have any other choice.

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So it was an.

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Important experience for me, and it started the process of

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me going from thinking I wanted to die every single day,

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defining a reason not to every day, to all these

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years later. I mean I just finished a six month

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course of extremely intensive PTSD specific therapy, to not wanting

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to die, to not thinking that I deserve to not

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continuing to exist because somebody has to pay for the

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things that happened. Like that was a thought that kept

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me alive for a while. As dark as that sounds.

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That's yeah, that is definitely dark. But I get it

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the white people sometimes feel that way to listeners.

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I want to be really clear. I am not trying

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to wax dramatic. I don't have a flock of eagles

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seagulls haircut. You know this is this is not me like, oh,

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my pain is so deep.

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I was.

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I went through the ringer and I discovered that my

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silence was one of the things that nearly killed me.

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So I am open about it so that other people

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will be more comfortable talking to me. And that has worked.

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So I talk very plainly and very matter of factly

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about some of the dark places that have been in

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some of the things that I have been through, in

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the hope that that will embolden someone else to build

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some inertia to get the help that I finally got

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that finally made a difference in my life. So that's

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that's the only reason I talk about it. I'm not

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I don't need anybody's sympathy. I'm doing fine.

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Yeah. I think that people don't understand how prevalent PTSD is,

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and it's really a spectrum that's white. That's that's a thing.

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Like I didn't really understand it until until my best

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friend passed away, and I was like, you know, I

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was there with him, like immediately before and then after

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he died of cancer and just interactions with his family.

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I just kept reliving over and over and over again,

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and I still can't if I think about it too much.

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And those are not I mean, they were traumatic, but

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it wasn't like I was on a battlefield. I wasn't

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nobody was shooting at me. I wasn't, you know, I

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was in the military hospital, but I was not in

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the military. And and it was I mean, six six

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months awful, really awful. And then both my parents died

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and so I sort of a distraction there was like

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you know, uh, and I didn't have as much PTSD

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with them, as I did with my best friend doing

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but I never really thought about being a candidate for

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that before. And just as an aside, I've been recently

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been reading about people who do not think visually, so

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like if you say apple, they don't picture an apple

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in their mind. They may have some other other other

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sensation associated with it, but they don't get a visual image.

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And apparently those people are less prone to PTSD because

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there they don't replicate what it does. Yeah, I was,

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I was shocked and then but at the same time like, oh,

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light bulb moment with.

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That, it's a rough one and it is a spectrum.

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I've served with folks who who were not exposed to

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any of the things that I was, that are not

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doing as well as I am because we have different

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weak points. Sometimes for some folks, I know a lot

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of folks that this applies to. It is the sense

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of pressure, even if nothing ever happened, that erodes away

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at their the resilience, and then they end up having

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a perpetual anxiety response. They become hyper vigilant, they become

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a gooraphobic.

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It's rough.

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The world sucks, and it sucks a lot more acutely

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than the average person, particularly in this country, is aware of.

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There are some really ugly and hard truths out there.

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And I used to say, and I don't know if

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I still believe it entirely, but I used to say,

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to experience those things will cost you one of two things,

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your sanity or your soul. You have to choose. And

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I chose to keep my soul, and I lost my sanity.

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Whereas some people are like, no, this is fine, this

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is okay, this is the way the world is, I

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think they lost their soul because there's no way you

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should be able to look at that level of human suffering, brutality,

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atrocity and not be moved.

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Yeah.

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I don't think that's a normal response.

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No, I agree with you. Well, I mean it just

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it's a lack of empathy, a lack of being able

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to see yourself in somebody else's position and and and

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and empathize with that. Yeah. I think that people don't

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understand how how depression and anxiety work either, and how

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a lot of people will have depressive episodes or anxiety

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or whatever. They do not really have a trigger.

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It just it just happens.

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Yeah, Yeah, people, it's something that people don't don't really get.

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They expect this like, oh, you know, and like I'm

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sure that everyone on the outside of your life as

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you have gone through these difficult times, look at you

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and don't understand, like, well, this guy seems like he's

483
00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:06.319
got his shit together, and he seems like, you know,

484
00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:09.400
he seems like he's I mean, you're you have a

485
00:27:09.519 --> 00:27:14.200
very like kind of squared away, commanding presence, not just

486
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:16.279
because you're a big guy, but because you just seem

487
00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:22.279
very level and and people don't understand that there's just

488
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:27.039
a lot more going on inside that you don't have

489
00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:27.720
control over.

490
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:32.680
Yeah, it's a lot of internal screaming and outward calm.

491
00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:35.920
That's like one of the early steps of getting your

492
00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:41.039
shit together, because it wasn't even always that good. Yeah,

493
00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:46.119
now I actually experience the calm that I portray, whereas

494
00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:49.000
up until you're a year and a half ago, that

495
00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:53.279
was definitely not the case. Sometimes people think that I'm

496
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.319
unfriendly in public. It's just that I am experiencing every

497
00:27:56.359 --> 00:28:01.119
single stimulus. The light feels like it's pressure on my skin,

498
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:03.799
the sound feels like it's beating me up. Uh, And

499
00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:06.680
then people want me to smile and be friendly and

500
00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:11.359
I try. I got a pretty good mask, but it's difficult.

501
00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:15.240
And that's why, like fighting a mission has been so

502
00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:18.720
important for me, because existing is not enough. I am

503
00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:20.759
tired of existing. But if I have a mission, I'll

504
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:21.200
keep going.

505
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:24.880
That makes sense. Well, also, you promise your wife to

506
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:26.720
you lived one hundred and five for the missions.

507
00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:31.160
Yeah, because she's a witchy woman, she'll like summon my

508
00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:36.680
spirit back. I'll hear about it. No, there will be

509
00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:38.279
no rest, no crossing over.

510
00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:42.960
You just just beetlejuicing there. Bro.

511
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:49.319
I'm if I do die before she does, which is51200:28:49.359 --> 00:28:53.279



what she's really afraid of, I think she will decorate51300:28:53.400 --> 00:28:55.640



the house with my bones. And I'm not saying that51400:28:55.680 --> 00:28:57.680



to be funny. I think that's actually what she'll do.51500:28:57.720 --> 00:28:59.839



She'll find to use for my femurs. My skull will51600:28:59.839 --> 00:29:02.240



be bowl or something. She'll put some flowers in it,51700:29:03.599 --> 00:29:05.960



you know. My hip bones will hold flowers or whatever51800:29:06.000 --> 00:29:07.920



the hell. Like, that's what she does with all the51900:29:07.960 --> 00:29:10.160



other bones she collects. And this is a woman who52000:29:10.279 --> 00:29:12.440



stops screamed at me early in our relationship. Driving down52100:29:12.440 --> 00:29:14.880



the street, she goes stop, I'm like, what's happening? I52200:29:14.920 --> 00:29:17.839



think car crash. I think it's something terrible. No, she52300:29:17.960 --> 00:29:20.359



saw a rotting coyote carcass on the side of the52400:29:20.440 --> 00:29:24.000



road and she wanted it, so she jumped out, grabbed it,52500:29:24.240 --> 00:29:27.440



put it in my trunk, and we took it home.52600:29:28.359 --> 00:29:31.680



And to this day, eight years later, I keep trash bags,52700:29:31.799 --> 00:29:35.319



rubber gloves, and some various tools in the trunk in52800:29:35.359 --> 00:29:37.119



case that happens again. And I know, if I ever52900:29:37.160 --> 00:29:38.880



get pulled over a copskin, I think I'm a serial53000:29:38.960 --> 00:29:41.440



murderer just for the road killed dude.53100:29:44.039 --> 00:29:44.599



That's great.53200:29:44.920 --> 00:29:48.200



That still in my house. She processed that corpse. That53300:29:48.359 --> 00:29:50.359



skull is in my house with crystals and flowers and53400:29:50.400 --> 00:29:52.400



crab in it.53500:29:52.480 --> 00:29:55.759



This this reminds me a little bit of a story53600:29:55.799 --> 00:30:00.559



about my my wife's parents when they were in high53700:30:00.599 --> 00:30:05.440



school together. Her mom was trying to do like a53800:30:05.480 --> 00:30:11.160



science project about cat's eyeballs, so her her dad went53900:30:11.200 --> 00:30:13.400



out and you know, found a.54000:30:13.200 --> 00:30:16.279



Straight cat, found some cat's eyeballs fell off a truck.54100:30:16.640 --> 00:30:21.599



Yeah, exactly exactly. It's like, you know, the things you'll54200:30:21.640 --> 00:30:23.599



do to win the love of a good woman or something,54300:30:23.599 --> 00:30:26.839



I guess, I mean.54400:30:28.519 --> 00:30:31.519



Gosh, I would try really hard to find an alternative.54500:30:30.920 --> 00:30:37.720



To yeah, well, you know, he didn't have the same54600:30:37.839 --> 00:30:41.079



value on small animals that that the rest of us do.54700:30:41.640 --> 00:30:45.279



Ever ever, in his entire entire life, he's been gone54800:30:45.319 --> 00:30:50.039



for a while. But yeah, it's one of those like54900:30:50.200 --> 00:30:54.880



family shakes their head at itch, going, oh man, but55000:30:55.799 --> 00:30:58.559



it sounds like your wife would be really taking a55100:30:58.559 --> 00:31:02.559



whole like step up on the little like you know,55200:31:02.880 --> 00:31:05.519



the little amulet that that people wear with ashes of55300:31:06.279 --> 00:31:10.319



loved ones if you barred around the house, that's a55400:31:10.359 --> 00:31:11.400



totally different level.55500:31:11.839 --> 00:31:15.319



My ashes, if any part of me is burned up,55600:31:16.000 --> 00:31:18.960



and if anyone is responsible for my premature death, will55700:31:19.000 --> 00:31:21.680



be used as war paint as she goes on the55800:31:21.720 --> 00:31:25.000



old war path. And I'm not making that up. That55900:31:25.079 --> 00:31:27.680



is what I was told to my face. I think56000:31:27.720 --> 00:31:29.440



it was supposed to be romantic.56100:31:30.880 --> 00:31:33.160



Well in its own way, it's a way yeah, no,56200:31:33.559 --> 00:31:34.000



I joke.56300:31:34.079 --> 00:31:37.160



I love I love that woman. I would like to56400:31:37.160 --> 00:31:39.200



tell a story about her real quick, if that's okay,56500:31:39.319 --> 00:31:43.079



Absolutely all right. So a couple of years ago, November56600:31:43.279 --> 00:31:47.160



actually were coming up on a three year anniversary of it,56700:31:48.079 --> 00:31:50.599



there was a domestic dispute up the street from my56800:31:50.759 --> 00:31:54.160



old apartment, and I talked about it a little bit,56900:31:55.240 --> 00:31:57.359



not too specifically. I released a couple of videos saying, hey,57000:31:57.400 --> 00:31:59.319



I almost got shot last night, and this is how57100:31:59.359 --> 00:32:02.920



I'm dealing with it. We heard someone scream he hit me.57200:32:03.279 --> 00:32:05.839



So at midnight or nearer enough, my wife and I57300:32:05.880 --> 00:32:08.039



went running down the stairs. I look up the stairs57400:32:08.039 --> 00:32:11.079



at her, seeing that she's coming along with me, and57500:32:11.160 --> 00:32:14.480



she's got a baseball bat, and I said, call the cops. No,57600:32:14.559 --> 00:32:17.599



I said, call the cops, and she grabbed the baseball57700:32:17.599 --> 00:32:18.839



bat and I said, you can't call the cops with57800:32:18.880 --> 00:32:20.279



the baseball bat. She looked at the bat and then57900:32:20.279 --> 00:32:22.240



grabbed her phone and followed. So we go up the58000:32:22.279 --> 00:32:24.680



street and there's like eight people. One guy's on the ground.58100:32:24.759 --> 00:32:28.720



His foot looks wrong. Apparently that got broken in the altercation.58200:32:29.519 --> 00:32:31.319



Some people were drunk at the bar. One tried to58300:32:31.319 --> 00:32:34.240



follow the other one home ended up fender bendering them,58400:32:34.279 --> 00:32:37.000



and then they pulled. Everybody pulled into the dude's driveway58500:32:38.359 --> 00:32:41.799



and the guy that lives there ended up smacking his girlfriend.58600:32:41.839 --> 00:32:43.119



Just the short of the story. I didn't know any58700:32:43.119 --> 00:32:45.880



of that when I arrived so on my street, in58800:32:45.880 --> 00:32:50.559



my neighborhood. I am just a nice guy. Who solves problems,58900:32:50.559 --> 00:32:53.359



helps you move stuff into your house. If I see59000:32:53.359 --> 00:32:55.160



you've got a moving van outside, I'm going to help59100:32:55.200 --> 00:32:57.200



you that kind of thing. So I have, you know,59200:32:57.400 --> 00:32:59.720



a little bit of cred. I decided this to spend it,59300:33:00.839 --> 00:33:04.319



so I start trying to talk everybody down. Once the59400:33:04.359 --> 00:33:07.400



story comes out that the guy had hit his girlfriend,59500:33:09.240 --> 00:33:11.920



one of the gentlemen runs in the house, comes outside59600:33:11.920 --> 00:33:13.960



with a shotgun and isn't pointing it at the other guy,59700:33:14.279 --> 00:33:17.559



the guy who allegedly hit his girlfriend, but he's pointing59800:33:17.920 --> 00:33:21.640



at him through me because I'm interposed between them. He's59900:33:21.680 --> 00:33:23.920



got it at my back and he's trying to get60000:33:23.920 --> 00:33:25.440



around me, and I'm trying to calm him down. The60100:33:25.440 --> 00:33:28.680



cops have already been called by this point. In response,60200:33:28.720 --> 00:33:30.440



the drunk guy goes into the back of his car60300:33:30.480 --> 00:33:34.119



and he pulls out a glock nineteen. I recognize it.60400:33:34.119 --> 00:33:35.559



I've seen lots of them, and he racks it and60500:33:35.559 --> 00:33:37.519



he starts pointing at the other guy, also once again60600:33:37.599 --> 00:33:39.759



through me. So I'm standing between two angry and he60700:33:39.880 --> 00:33:42.119



raided people with guns, and I'm trying to talk him down.60800:33:43.240 --> 00:33:45.519



So I'm staying calm, and I look at my wife60900:33:46.119 --> 00:33:49.920



any other person, let alone a woman who is only61000:33:50.039 --> 00:33:52.559



armed with a baseball bat that I know would have61100:33:52.559 --> 00:33:55.279



got the fuck out of Dodge. I look over at61200:33:55.279 --> 00:33:58.559



her and she is like hunched down, looking at me61300:33:58.640 --> 00:34:01.599



intently like a hound dog. She's waiting for me to stay.61400:34:01.599 --> 00:34:04.160



Sick them because she's going to attempt to fight two61500:34:04.160 --> 00:34:06.960



guys with guns with a baseball bat. That is my wife.61600:34:06.960 --> 00:34:08.719



That is who my wife is. That is how down61700:34:08.760 --> 00:34:11.840



she is. And in that moment, I knew, like we've61800:34:11.840 --> 00:34:14.119



been together for a while, we'd had some difficulties. We61900:34:14.159 --> 00:34:15.840



wondered if we were going to stay together. At that point,62000:34:15.920 --> 00:34:18.559



that is the moment that I knew this was mine.62100:34:19.000 --> 00:34:21.440



This was the one that I wanted. She was down,62200:34:21.880 --> 00:34:24.039



she was terrified, but she was down. She was going62300:34:24.119 --> 00:34:26.920



to be there with me no matter what happened. So62400:34:27.000 --> 00:34:29.480



I eventually resolved the situation before the cops got there62500:34:29.559 --> 00:34:31.320



by telling them I turned around the guy with the62600:34:31.320 --> 00:34:33.639



shotgun first and I said, the cops are coming. This62700:34:33.760 --> 00:34:36.760



is Bengor, Maine. They don't get action. They're not going62800:34:36.840 --> 00:34:39.639



to stop and ask questions. They're gonna think, oh god,62900:34:39.679 --> 00:34:42.960



I can get a shiny ribbon or an award they're63000:34:42.960 --> 00:34:45.239



gonna shoot you because you have a gun, and they63100:34:45.239 --> 00:34:48.199



will be able to justifiably shoot you. You are going63200:34:48.239 --> 00:34:50.199



to die if you don't calm down. I told the63300:34:50.199 --> 00:34:52.360



other kid the same, so they put their weapons away.63400:34:52.400 --> 00:34:54.880



The cops arrived. I gave a report of what happened.63500:34:55.280 --> 00:34:57.280



Turns out the kid who smacked his girlfriend and had63600:34:57.280 --> 00:35:01.280



the clock, he was actually part of there. He was63700:35:01.280 --> 00:35:04.159



a probationary officer, so he had gone through like they63800:35:04.239 --> 00:35:07.239



knew him by name. They immediately started trying to like63900:35:07.480 --> 00:35:11.840



shape like you know what happened. So I said, you know,64000:35:11.880 --> 00:35:13.840



he pointed a gun. He says, well, did he point64100:35:13.840 --> 00:35:16.079



it at the ground as officer? He pointed it through64200:35:16.159 --> 00:35:18.920



me at that gentleman over there. And I had to64300:35:18.920 --> 00:35:21.039



like be really specific because I heard them kind of64400:35:21.199 --> 00:35:26.119



trying to like couch the conversation to protect their their64500:35:26.119 --> 00:35:30.400



probationary officer. I don't know if he's still with them.64600:35:30.639 --> 00:35:34.199



I don't know how that worked out, but it did64700:35:34.280 --> 00:35:36.960



leave me with serious concerns about the fidelity of the64800:35:37.000 --> 00:35:39.960



police force here in Bangormain. And if anybody from Bangormain's64900:35:39.960 --> 00:35:44.000



watching this, from the police force, what's the report looked like?65000:35:44.679 --> 00:35:45.400



I would love to know.65100:35:46.079 --> 00:35:52.280



Yeah, yeah, no kidding, they're not always bringing their best65200:35:52.440 --> 00:35:53.239



let's just say no.65300:35:53.920 --> 00:35:58.679



No, Like, it's an important job. It's very difficult. I65400:35:58.719 --> 00:36:02.039



know it's politicized at this point, but I have family65500:36:02.079 --> 00:36:05.119



members who were in law enforcement. What I did in65600:36:05.159 --> 00:36:07.559



the Marine Corps was adjacent to law enforcement. We helped65700:36:07.559 --> 00:36:09.360



the DEA, and you know, we took care of it65800:36:09.440 --> 00:36:10.960



on the other side of the border. The DEA took65900:36:10.960 --> 00:36:13.519



care of it on this side of the border border patrol.66000:36:13.559 --> 00:36:15.480



I know that there are good men and women who66100:36:15.559 --> 00:36:16.960



serve in those functions that are doing it for the66200:36:17.039 --> 00:36:21.400



right reasons. And it's really hard with the narrative being66300:36:21.440 --> 00:36:23.960



that if you are associated all with law enforcement, you're evil.66400:36:24.159 --> 00:36:27.079



I don't buy into that. I have practical experience. If66500:36:27.119 --> 00:36:29.159



you don't, then I know more than you and you66600:36:29.199 --> 00:36:31.880



shouldn't be telling me how to feel. There are some66700:36:31.960 --> 00:36:35.800



good people. There are some real crappy people though, too. Yeah,66800:36:35.840 --> 00:36:37.119



and they're the bigger problem.66900:36:37.719 --> 00:36:40.880



Yeah, I mean I think it's the power differential.67000:36:41.599 --> 00:36:44.559



Yeah, No, the power dynamic is absolutely it. Like, you67100:36:44.599 --> 00:36:45.880



want to tell me that it's legal for you to67200:36:45.960 --> 00:36:48.519



date an eighteen year old and you're thirty five years old. Okay,67300:36:48.559 --> 00:36:52.599



it's still screwed up. Yeah, it's still met the power dynamic. Oh,67400:36:52.679 --> 00:36:55.320



this person also is dependent on you financially. They don't67500:36:55.360 --> 00:36:57.639



own anything. Oh, you encourage them not to bother to67600:36:57.679 --> 00:37:00.320



get a job or a license. They just stay at home. Yeah,67700:37:00.320 --> 00:37:04.639



that's healthy. I don't. I don't trust you anymore. Don't67800:37:04.639 --> 00:37:09.159



care if it's technically legal. Dude, you could get me67900:37:09.199 --> 00:37:12.360



going on and he's subject. I don't think I have68000:37:13.119 --> 00:37:15.559



any other feelings than strong feelings.68100:37:17.360 --> 00:37:20.280



Well, that that's good. That's that. That That means that68200:37:20.320 --> 00:37:23.119



you're thinking about a lot of things and and and68300:37:23.159 --> 00:37:26.480



giving you yourself a moment to react to them, though68400:37:26.599 --> 00:37:31.079



the same way that herschel there is reacting to the toy. Really,68500:37:31.880 --> 00:37:34.159



it does have a dolphining effect back there.68600:37:34.079 --> 00:37:37.360



That he has one thought ever, and it is toy.68700:37:37.480 --> 00:37:38.760



This is the first thing he wants in the morning,68800:37:38.760 --> 00:37:41.199



because we take it away from him to night. This68900:37:41.280 --> 00:37:43.679



is this is his only expression of joy. It's the69000:37:43.719 --> 00:37:45.159



only way he understands happiness.69100:37:46.840 --> 00:37:48.880



But what you're saying is he's a dog.69200:37:50.159 --> 00:37:52.920



There are benefits to him being simple. He's not even69300:37:52.960 --> 00:37:55.119



food motivated. If you put the toy in front of69400:37:55.159 --> 00:37:56.719



him and his dinner. He's going for the toy.69500:37:57.639 --> 00:37:58.119



Oh wow.69600:37:58.360 --> 00:38:00.440



If we didn't take it from him, he wouldn't eat.69700:38:01.800 --> 00:38:02.760



He's obsessive.69800:38:03.400 --> 00:38:06.440



That's uh, that's some commitment to the bit right there.69900:38:08.079 --> 00:38:09.039



Please.70000:38:10.440 --> 00:38:15.119



Yeah, uh, you are not the only person I've ever70100:38:15.159 --> 00:38:17.840



met who is a video game character, but you're I70200:38:17.880 --> 00:38:21.199



think the one that has been the most video game characters. Uh.70300:38:21.679 --> 00:38:24.119



We you know, we we met in person at at70400:38:24.119 --> 00:38:24.920



the Arnold a couple.70500:38:24.760 --> 00:38:26.320



Of years I remember, yeah, and.70600:38:26.360 --> 00:38:30.760



Had had a long and entertaining lunch the group of us,70700:38:31.880 --> 00:38:34.079



and you were telling some of those stories, like what70800:38:34.079 --> 00:38:36.880



what was your favorite part of that that experience.70900:38:38.960 --> 00:38:41.800



Honestly, my favorite part of that experience of Mike inviting71000:38:42.000 --> 00:38:46.679



me out to lunch was how real you guys turned71100:38:46.719 --> 00:38:51.920



out to be. Like not everybody that that you have71200:38:51.960 --> 00:38:55.079



worked with in your past who has had very successful71300:38:55.079 --> 00:38:58.800



careers in the space comes off as authentic or comes71400:38:58.800 --> 00:39:01.559



off in the same way that they present themselves like71500:39:01.679 --> 00:39:03.480



you guys do. I've always loved that about Mike. I71600:39:03.519 --> 00:39:06.800



love to find that he was surrounded by people like him,71700:39:07.039 --> 00:39:12.639



like yourself, who were just genuine human beings and recoil71800:39:12.800 --> 00:39:18.119



from the facades. And the fakeness and the manufactured everything71900:39:18.360 --> 00:39:23.519



that is what we do. It was very, very, very72000:39:23.559 --> 00:39:25.480



rewarding for me to see somebody that I wanted to72100:39:25.480 --> 00:39:29.599



believe in was actually who he presented himself to be.72200:39:29.960 --> 00:39:35.519



I enjoyed that interaction so much. And if there's anything72300:39:35.519 --> 00:39:38.320



that any of you guys need, it's like, I'm not72400:39:38.440 --> 00:39:42.119



wearing this shirt today because we're talking. I love my72500:39:42.199 --> 00:39:44.719



third free Barbell stuff. I love my good Company stuff.72600:39:46.480 --> 00:39:49.920



I love what you guys do. I've been following Aviy72700:39:50.000 --> 00:39:52.599



now for ever since we met at the Arnold. That72800:39:52.760 --> 00:39:55.960



is a real athlete with like a good head on72900:39:55.960 --> 00:39:59.039



her shoulders, and she's going to do, you know, great things.73000:39:59.039 --> 00:40:02.119



She's going to drag people to success. That's the crap73100:40:02.159 --> 00:40:06.199



I love to see. Even if Mike or you, or73200:40:06.400 --> 00:40:10.079



or any of the folks uh in the crew never73300:40:10.119 --> 00:40:12.480



get any credit for it, each and every life that73400:40:12.519 --> 00:40:15.880



you have impacted in a positive way inspired them to73500:40:15.920 --> 00:40:17.880



try a little harder, do a little bit more, be73600:40:17.880 --> 00:40:20.519



a little bit more authentic. That's an a positive to73700:40:20.559 --> 00:40:22.039



the world that you put in there, and I love73800:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.639



that energy. So that was my favorite part. The burger73900:40:24.719 --> 00:40:25.440



was also really good.74000:40:27.119 --> 00:40:30.039



I was kind of more more talking about the experience74100:40:30.079 --> 00:40:31.159



of being a video game camera.74200:40:32.079 --> 00:40:33.400



I love hearing it.74300:40:33.599 --> 00:40:36.559



I love hearing that that we are we are who74400:40:36.559 --> 00:40:39.119



we appear to be. I don't think I have the74500:40:39.239 --> 00:40:44.760



energy to not be who I am. The same is true, Mike,74600:40:45.679 --> 00:40:47.559



But as you point out, like we have been associated74700:40:47.559 --> 00:40:50.079



with people who are not exactly who they appear to be,74800:40:50.719 --> 00:40:56.400



and being who we are, we kind of perpetuated that,74900:40:57.239 --> 00:41:01.239



not in ourselves, but we we plan formed it. Let's75000:41:01.280 --> 00:41:05.639



just say, you know, and and and that's that's just75100:41:05.719 --> 00:41:08.239



a thing. It's just you know, it's it's something that75200:41:09.639 --> 00:41:11.480



it's a situation I think about a lot, but I75300:41:11.480 --> 00:41:14.440



don't really there's nothing not I can not anything I75400:41:14.440 --> 00:41:16.920



can really do about it other than just continue to75500:41:16.960 --> 00:41:20.519



be myself. And you know, I continue to this show75600:41:20.519 --> 00:41:22.440



not because it makes any money, because it doesn't, but75700:41:23.320 --> 00:41:25.639



just because it's it's a it's an expression. I've been75800:41:25.639 --> 00:41:28.159



doing it for so long. You know, It's like, I75900:41:28.199 --> 00:41:30.519



don't know where the stopping point is. I mean, this76000:41:30.559 --> 00:41:35.440



show process, this show is coming up on on five76100:41:35.519 --> 00:41:39.880



hundred episodes, and and I it's like, well, that could76200:41:39.920 --> 00:41:43.079



be a natural stopping point, especially since I'm I'm you know,76300:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.360



holding down the floor by myself. But I'm actually enjoying76400:41:45.400 --> 00:41:49.239



these conversations so much that I'll I will probably keep76500:41:49.320 --> 00:41:51.800



going even if, like I've I've experienced a couple of76600:41:52.599 --> 00:41:55.159



periods where I just needed to, you know, I just76700:41:55.280 --> 00:41:57.280



needed to not do a show that week, I was76800:41:57.320 --> 00:41:59.840



busy or whatever. And before it was like, you know,76900:42:00.079 --> 00:42:01.920



I had somebody that I could just we can just77000:42:01.960 --> 00:42:04.599



pull in and just talk about whatever, and that's the show.77100:42:05.840 --> 00:42:10.760



And and this takes more effort than that. But like77200:42:10.760 --> 00:42:14.400



I said, I'm enjoying it, and I'm I'm very very77300:42:14.440 --> 00:42:18.119



carefully picking people that I think will be that I'll77400:42:18.159 --> 00:42:20.039



have good conversations with it. I will want to know77500:42:20.079 --> 00:42:20.960



what they have to say.77600:42:21.719 --> 00:42:24.920



I choose to take that as a compliment and appreciate it.77700:42:30.199 --> 00:42:33.440



Do we answer your question. I think my favorite is77800:42:33.480 --> 00:42:35.639



probably the last one. One of the other people that77900:42:35.679 --> 00:42:38.440



helps save my life is Jessica Drew Johnson. She's a78000:42:38.480 --> 00:42:42.480



cinematic artist at Blizzard Entertainment and her husband is one78100:42:42.480 --> 00:42:44.760



of the managers in that department, if not the lead78200:42:44.800 --> 00:42:47.840



of the department by this point, but it's hard to tell. Sorry, Seth,78300:42:47.920 --> 00:42:51.760



I don't remember, but they make these awesome cinematics for78400:42:51.760 --> 00:42:54.920



Blizzard Entertainment games World of Warcraft, StarCraft if one of78500:42:54.920 --> 00:42:57.039



the things that they're really famous for is people loved78600:42:57.199 --> 00:43:00.000



how much effort goes into the cinematics in between scenes78700:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.840



or at the beginning of the game. So if you're78800:43:03.039 --> 00:43:05.440



in the audience out there and you've ever played, or78900:43:05.480 --> 00:43:08.320



you've in the last few years have played World of79000:43:08.320 --> 00:43:16.039



Warcraft and you were familiar with the black prints, oh,79100:43:16.079 --> 00:43:20.639



his name is escaping me. You've seen my face. You've79200:43:20.639 --> 00:43:23.960



seen my face every loading screen. Jessica asked if she79300:43:23.960 --> 00:43:26.239



could take some pictures of my hair, so I sent79400:43:26.280 --> 00:43:28.840



those and then she said, this is for a thing.79500:43:29.480 --> 00:43:31.960



The next thing I know, my Facebook profile pick from79600:43:31.960 --> 00:43:34.880



that time period is the loading screen of Dragonflight. Right79700:43:34.880 --> 00:43:38.039



there in the center, that's my face with a big79800:43:38.079 --> 00:43:43.199



hoop earring in it. One of the main NPCs that79900:43:43.280 --> 00:43:45.239



sends you on your way and gives you your missions80000:43:45.599 --> 00:43:49.920



is the son of the Dragon that you fought in Cataclysm,80100:43:50.679 --> 00:43:53.639



and they used my likeness for all the scenes, my80200:43:53.719 --> 00:43:56.760



curly hair, my pointed goatee at the time, the whole80300:43:56.800 --> 00:43:59.480



nine yards. So that's probably my favorite one, the one80400:43:59.480 --> 00:44:03.559



I find most problematic, which I don't know if I80500:44:03.559 --> 00:44:07.920



want to admit on here there is a character who80600:44:07.960 --> 00:44:11.920



is of a nationality that I am not that. If80700:44:11.920 --> 00:44:14.199



you see me, especially with my hair in a bun,80800:44:14.679 --> 00:44:16.440



and you look at my face and then you look80900:44:16.519 --> 00:44:20.039



at that character's face, you're like, oh shit, that's Kevin.81000:44:20.800 --> 00:44:22.960



And I remember having my face drawn by a particular81100:44:23.039 --> 00:44:24.920



artist who I will spare you all. I'm not name81200:44:25.000 --> 00:44:28.199



you in public, but you took my face and you81300:44:28.280 --> 00:44:30.599



made it that character that I should not be because81400:44:30.639 --> 00:44:33.440



there is no way I will be confused for that race,81500:44:34.000 --> 00:44:38.280



for that character. I'm Scott's Irish and German. If I81600:44:38.280 --> 00:44:40.320



say anymore, it will be very obvious what I'm talking about.81700:44:40.360 --> 00:44:43.880



But you know, I told you guys mostly in confidence.81800:44:44.519 --> 00:44:46.360



But yeah, it's happened a number of times.81900:44:46.800 --> 00:44:49.679



Yeah, yeah, I could get that. How that would be82000:44:50.000 --> 00:44:53.079



a little uncomfortable for people to recognize it. And it's82100:44:53.119 --> 00:44:55.239



like you didn't. This is not a decision you.82200:44:55.159 --> 00:44:59.199



Made, No, No, I would have shot that down if.82300:44:59.119 --> 00:45:02.639



Anybody nad Yeah, but you'd already like let them have82400:45:02.719 --> 00:45:04.159



your likeness, right, So.82500:45:06.039 --> 00:45:08.559



Yep, I was just trying to make friends with the82600:45:08.639 --> 00:45:13.159



art department because as a personnel manager. One of the82700:45:13.159 --> 00:45:17.199



best things that you can do is have personal relationships82800:45:17.239 --> 00:45:20.159



with all the disparate different apartment departments within a large82900:45:20.199 --> 00:45:23.519



organization like that. So when you get an outstanding candidate83000:45:23.559 --> 00:45:26.559



that doesn't necessarily have a clear fit, you can kind83100:45:26.559 --> 00:45:28.760



of like go find a space for them, because some83200:45:29.199 --> 00:45:33.440



people are worth investing in even if they don't have83300:45:33.559 --> 00:45:40.639



the immediate qualifications on paper. Ali Ann, for instance, I83400:45:40.719 --> 00:45:44.679



met at Bliuzcon. It was our convention, and they had83500:45:45.159 --> 00:45:48.000



an amazing cosplay. But that's why I started talking to them,83600:45:48.239 --> 00:45:50.599



and I turned out they had an amazing passion for83700:45:50.719 --> 00:45:54.559



video games. They had managerial experience working at a chain83800:45:54.599 --> 00:45:59.559



store that was perfully associated with video games. They understood83900:45:59.719 --> 00:46:03.599



how production worked, so I got them in as a tester,84000:46:04.480 --> 00:46:07.280



but they quickly moved to producer, and then they moved84100:46:07.280 --> 00:46:11.280



to another company, and you know, a senior producer until84200:46:11.559 --> 00:46:15.440



unfortunately the toxicity of the video game industry ruined it84300:46:15.480 --> 00:46:19.480



for her. Because it's really toxic, it's really bad. I84400:46:19.519 --> 00:46:24.239



can tell you from personal experience that the suit brought84500:46:24.280 --> 00:46:27.719



against Blizzard Entertainment in twenty nineteen was well deserved, and84600:46:27.760 --> 00:46:30.880



they did not cover everything that was problematic there. Everything84700:46:30.920 --> 00:46:34.519



they said happened in the suit definitely happened. I witnessed84800:46:34.559 --> 00:46:38.280



most of it myself. It was pretty bad. So I'm84900:46:38.280 --> 00:46:40.000



glad to be out of that. But I'm also glad85000:46:40.000 --> 00:46:41.480



that I had the opportunity because I never would have85100:46:41.519 --> 00:46:43.360



met Scott. I never would have fell in love with85200:46:43.400 --> 00:46:48.320



this idea of gifting people. You know, the independence and85300:46:48.360 --> 00:46:51.960



the power that the self control that comes with physical activity.85400:46:52.440 --> 00:46:55.719



How that can help you know your mental health, It85500:46:55.760 --> 00:46:58.559



can help you get your life back on track. The85600:46:58.639 --> 00:47:03.079



lessons you've learned in Iron can actually be translated, excuse me,85700:47:03.199 --> 00:47:05.599



could be translated into basically any other aspect of your life.85800:47:05.599 --> 00:47:07.920



It is the simplest place to learn them, is the85900:47:07.960 --> 00:47:09.880



lowest stakes place to learn them, But they can be86000:47:09.920 --> 00:47:12.679



applied to any other aspect of your life. So I86100:47:12.719 --> 00:47:14.400



am grateful for the opportunity to have been there. I86200:47:14.400 --> 00:47:18.039



have some great memories and great friends. One bit of86300:47:18.039 --> 00:47:25.280



competition for an a, but yeah, it was. It was86400:47:25.320 --> 00:47:27.039



ultimately a bad place to work, and I'm glad I'm86500:47:27.079 --> 00:47:27.599



no longer there.86600:47:29.159 --> 00:47:33.920



So you're working with kids now, Yeah, And like, what's that?86700:47:34.079 --> 00:47:36.719



How did that come about? And what's that like? For you.86800:47:37.639 --> 00:47:40.119



So this kind of fell into my lap. My folks86900:47:40.239 --> 00:47:43.920



asked me to move home in twenty eighteen, and I did,87000:47:44.280 --> 00:47:45.920



and I was puttering around. I was trying to find87100:47:45.920 --> 00:47:48.079



things because I had been working in addiction recovery with87200:47:49.880 --> 00:47:53.800



a place called the Orion House where they take folks87300:47:53.840 --> 00:47:56.360



in and for up to like a year and a half,87400:47:56.960 --> 00:47:58.760



you know, we take them from a you're not allowed87500:47:58.800 --> 00:48:01.360



to go anywhere, to help them get a job, help87600:48:01.400 --> 00:48:04.079



them develop skills, help them find a place and beat addiction.87700:48:04.360 --> 00:48:06.440



And it was really worthwhile. I was really finding a87800:48:06.480 --> 00:48:09.000



mission in that. But my mom said I need you,87900:48:09.039 --> 00:48:12.760



so I came home, and when I did, I was88000:48:12.840 --> 00:48:15.639



kind of puttering around aimlessly. I couldn't really find anything88100:48:15.679 --> 00:48:19.519



like that here. I tried, you know, doing in home88200:48:19.559 --> 00:48:21.880



care and stuff like that, but nothing was really clicking.88300:48:22.679 --> 00:48:27.239



And then just to fill my summer, I asked my dad,88400:48:27.480 --> 00:48:32.239



who was a finance director at the nonprofit International Preparatory School,88500:48:32.960 --> 00:48:35.239



and he said, well, there's a bunch of stuff that88600:48:35.280 --> 00:48:37.880



I need help with. Everybody wears so many hats, you know,88700:48:37.960 --> 00:48:41.159



to get it done. My pop is HR finance director88800:48:41.320 --> 00:48:43.880



and until very recently was the interim head of school88900:48:43.960 --> 00:48:47.679



on top of all of his other responsibilities. And everybody89000:48:47.760 --> 00:48:51.440



is like that, every teacher, every staff member has multiple duties.89100:48:52.000 --> 00:48:54.760



So I came in and I started renovating the classrooms,89200:48:54.760 --> 00:48:58.000



some basic skills that I got. I started doing some89300:48:58.159 --> 00:49:01.199



minor electrical work, and then I helped my wife prepare89400:49:01.199 --> 00:49:03.599



the dorms for the new kids to come in. And89500:49:03.639 --> 00:49:07.480



then that turned into there was a whole group of kids,89600:49:07.480 --> 00:49:09.519



and I'm doing it again this year. There was a89700:49:09.559 --> 00:49:12.559



old group of kids that live out on a peninsula89800:49:12.639 --> 00:49:15.599



that can't get to the school because we can't afford89900:49:16.519 --> 00:49:18.480



to pay one hundred and thirty thousand dollars for a90000:49:18.519 --> 00:49:21.360



single bus to make two trips a day, and every90100:49:21.480 --> 00:49:24.519



year they add twelve to fifteen thousand dollars onto it.90200:49:24.519 --> 00:49:27.400



It just got too expensive. So we got a couple90300:49:27.440 --> 00:49:31.360



of vans and I go pick them up and that90400:49:31.800 --> 00:49:37.400



is about six hours of driving total. Excuse me, that90500:49:37.480 --> 00:49:40.239



is four hours of driving total this year. Originally, when90600:49:40.280 --> 00:49:43.480



I was doing both sites, it was six to eight90700:49:43.480 --> 00:49:47.360



hours driving every day, and then I moved into coaching90800:49:47.480 --> 00:49:49.639



five nights a week. That's what I'm doing this year.90900:49:50.400 --> 00:49:53.880



I predominantly coach the international students, and the high potential91000:49:53.960 --> 00:49:58.760



athletic students. Athletics is not important at our school. It91100:49:58.840 --> 00:50:02.920



is the less that you can learn in, like responsibility,91200:50:03.000 --> 00:50:05.880



team work, overcoming adversity. Those are the things that matter.91300:50:07.719 --> 00:50:10.199



But we don't have like a state competitive like, we91400:50:10.199 --> 00:50:14.199



don't have a Class A anything, right, because what we're91500:50:14.199 --> 00:50:17.159



getting is academically inclined students who also have an interest91600:50:17.159 --> 00:50:21.239



in field hockey or soccer, et cetera. So our football91700:50:21.239 --> 00:50:24.000



team is undefeated and they're going into the playoffs, but91800:50:24.039 --> 00:50:27.199



they're Class D. So like, we don't even have a91900:50:27.199 --> 00:50:32.960



fifty three person team. Okay, we got guys playing both ways.92000:50:33.199 --> 00:50:36.440



Not a lot of subbing going on there. No, it's92100:50:36.480 --> 00:50:38.280



fresh off the bench, not so much.92200:50:38.480 --> 00:50:42.440



Our quarterback is also a cornerback. Are one of the92300:50:42.480 --> 00:50:44.679



boys who lives with me because I house three of92400:50:44.719 --> 00:50:47.480



the students. One of the boys who lives with me92500:50:47.880 --> 00:50:51.159



plays JV and varsity and he plays both ways on92600:50:51.320 --> 00:50:52.639



JV and varsity.92700:50:52.840 --> 00:50:53.639



Oh my goodness.92800:50:53.920 --> 00:50:56.840



Yeah, he's the nose tackle and he's the left tackle92900:50:58.559 --> 00:51:07.800



in both. Well, yeah it's rough, but I love it.93000:51:08.440 --> 00:51:10.599



We see we take the kids who really want to learn,93100:51:10.840 --> 00:51:14.280



and I get fresh minds. I get receptive people and93200:51:14.440 --> 00:51:16.760



the two communities that I have found you can affect93300:51:16.800 --> 00:51:23.719



the most with incorporating intelligent you know, physical activity is93400:51:24.079 --> 00:51:27.679



young kids and old folks. Those are the two communities93500:51:27.679 --> 00:51:29.239



that you make the biggest impact. If you want to93600:51:29.280 --> 00:51:32.800



make money, work with athletes, cool, do you That's not93700:51:32.880 --> 00:51:35.400



for me. I want to make people's lives better. I93800:51:35.440 --> 00:51:39.079



want to see the impact. James Lehman lost over one93900:51:39.119 --> 00:51:42.039



hundred pounds and his doctor, not me. I would never94000:51:42.079 --> 00:51:45.400



say this. His doctor said, you don't need testosterone treatments anymore.94100:51:45.800 --> 00:51:47.760



You know, you've brought your weight into a range where94200:51:47.760 --> 00:51:52.199



that's recovered. My friend Tessa, who I've known for many, many,94300:51:52.239 --> 00:51:54.639



many years, we got her weight down to the point94400:51:54.639 --> 00:51:57.800



her activity up where she no longer needed to take insulin.94500:51:58.039 --> 00:52:00.239



Her doctor took her off again. I would never ever94600:52:00.599 --> 00:52:04.360



suggest anything like that, right, you know, that's the kind94700:52:04.360 --> 00:52:05.880



of impact that I love my mom that I told94800:52:05.920 --> 00:52:08.880



you about when we were in the grain room. You know,94900:52:08.920 --> 00:52:10.599



her lou going from two hundred and seventy one pounds95000:52:10.599 --> 00:52:13.199



to one hundred and ninety six, which is still very overweight,95100:52:13.239 --> 00:52:15.400



but she doesn't need a walker anymore. She's independent. She95200:52:15.440 --> 00:52:17.360



can go grocery shop for herself if she wanted to.95300:52:17.440 --> 00:52:19.920



She goes to comic book conventions. That's the shit I95400:52:19.960 --> 00:52:22.519



want to do. That's the stuff that makes you want95500:52:22.559 --> 00:52:23.880



to live another day. You know what I'm talking about.95600:52:24.199 --> 00:52:27.559



Yeah, Yeah, especially in the context of everything you said,95700:52:27.559 --> 00:52:28.480



that totally makes sense.95800:52:28.519 --> 00:52:31.280



How that would like feed your soul? Dude, I need95900:52:31.320 --> 00:52:35.360



a mission. I think I finally found it. I got96000:52:35.519 --> 00:52:39.599



so frustrated with the just drivel going on in the96100:52:39.599 --> 00:52:43.679



fitness industry. Everybody should know none of these guys are perfect.96200:52:43.800 --> 00:52:46.559



So it's not like I'm upset that Mike isratel or96300:52:46.639 --> 00:52:49.519



Jeff nipperd are getting drugged down or drug through the mud.96400:52:50.199 --> 00:52:52.440



You put yourself out there. This is one of the consequences.96500:52:52.480 --> 00:52:56.960



But nobody is perfect. Is this idea that to hyper96600:52:57.000 --> 00:53:01.239



scrutinize small mistakes and turn them into just endless streams96700:53:01.280 --> 00:53:05.119



of content that's largely disingenuous, especially when the people who96800:53:05.119 --> 00:53:07.840



were making that call out content are guilty of the96900:53:07.960 --> 00:53:11.239



very same things that they're calling out. I did a97000:53:11.280 --> 00:53:13.079



whole I haven't published it. I'm not going to. I97100:53:13.079 --> 00:53:15.760



did a whole angry rant response is like, hey, I97200:53:15.800 --> 00:53:18.159



took one of the videos of this guy who's calling97300:53:18.159 --> 00:53:19.920



out that guy, and I'm going to show in his97400:53:20.039 --> 00:53:23.119



video everything that he accused that guy of doing that97500:53:23.199 --> 00:53:25.679



he has also done this same thing. We need to97600:53:25.679 --> 00:53:28.000



think critically. We need to treat these people as people,97700:53:28.079 --> 00:53:31.599



not as idols, not as infallible sources of information. We97800:53:31.719 --> 00:53:34.679



should be thinking for ourselves. I was so mad about it,97900:53:34.719 --> 00:53:37.599



and then I felt like really crappy. After I finished98000:53:37.599 --> 00:53:38.880



making it, I was like, oh, yeah, this is why98100:53:38.880 --> 00:53:41.480



I stopped making call out content. Is why I stop that.98200:53:41.639 --> 00:53:43.159



I don't want to feel this way all the time.98300:53:44.199 --> 00:53:46.559



So I decided to just move in a positive direction instead.98400:53:47.079 --> 00:53:50.239



I decided to take my community that you know I've98500:53:50.280 --> 00:53:53.400



been nudging along and not really doing much with, and98600:53:53.480 --> 00:53:56.559



we're going to become a nonprofit organization dedicated to legitimately98700:53:56.559 --> 00:54:00.400



helping people. Not to distinguish myself or act like I'm98800:54:00.400 --> 00:54:02.360



sort of saying, because Jim, I gotta tell you, I98900:54:02.360 --> 00:54:03.920



am not a great person. I got called a great99000:54:03.920 --> 00:54:06.000



person today. I am not a great person. I am99100:54:06.000 --> 00:54:10.159



not a particularly good person. I am I'm not even99200:54:10.199 --> 00:54:14.519



a reformed asshole. I am an asshole in remission right,99300:54:15.159 --> 00:54:18.360



Like the danger of the asshole coming back is real,99400:54:18.400 --> 00:54:23.639



and I've got one guard for it. And I've got99500:54:23.960 --> 00:54:28.639



a lifetime of mistakes and debt that I will spend99600:54:28.679 --> 00:54:30.880



the rest time, the rest of my life, you know,99700:54:31.000 --> 00:54:32.840



trying to fix and I will never quite be enough,99800:54:32.840 --> 00:54:34.880



and that's okay, but I need to do the work,99900:54:34.920 --> 00:54:36.880



so like, I'm just trying to do something good. I100000:54:36.920 --> 00:54:38.960



don't think I'm better than these people. I just think100100:54:38.960 --> 00:54:40.519



I'm making a better decision right now.100200:54:40.840 --> 00:54:48.440



Yeah, well, I mean I have a hard time seeing100300:54:48.480 --> 00:54:51.199



you as the asshole. I can see how people would100400:54:51.440 --> 00:54:56.280



would be intimidated just looking at you without you being100500:54:56.360 --> 00:55:02.800



an asshole. But I don't know, Like, I mean, people100600:55:03.519 --> 00:55:08.000



describe themselves sometimes that way, and their vision of themselves100700:55:08.039 --> 00:55:10.719



is not exactly what other people would would see from100800:55:10.760 --> 00:55:14.000



the outside or even even you know, Like I don't100900:55:14.039 --> 00:55:16.960



know what your dark moments look like when you're interacting101000:55:16.960 --> 00:55:18.719



with somebody and you feel like you're being an asshole.101100:55:18.719 --> 00:55:19.639



I don't know what that looks like.101200:55:19.719 --> 00:55:24.840



But I mean much more like I have made decisions101300:55:24.880 --> 00:55:27.480



in my life that were so selfish that I have101400:55:27.679 --> 00:55:30.360



indelibly negatively affected other people's lives.101500:55:32.000 --> 00:55:35.920



I've caused pain that other folks did not deserve and101600:55:36.119 --> 00:55:39.239



is not yet resolved. I have betrayed trusts.101700:55:39.599 --> 00:55:40.280



I have.101800:55:42.760 --> 00:55:45.880



Stood by and let things that I knew were wrong happen.101900:55:48.199 --> 00:55:51.639



I got some shit to answer for, real shit.102000:55:52.159 --> 00:55:53.159



Yeah, and.102100:55:55.440 --> 00:55:56.760



You know, being in a place where I could look102200:55:56.760 --> 00:55:59.079



at that and go, oh, it's just fuel for why102300:55:59.119 --> 00:56:01.199



I don't deserve to live where you only get to102400:56:01.199 --> 00:56:02.920



live so you can suffer because you're the last one102500:56:02.960 --> 00:56:07.159



who cares. Like all of this like really unproductive, emo bullshit.102600:56:10.760 --> 00:56:15.199



I need something positive. I need to be the person102700:56:15.280 --> 00:56:18.360



that I allowed everybody to think I was by being102800:56:18.639 --> 00:56:21.960



like I did good things man like, even when I102900:56:22.000 --> 00:56:25.960



was making mistakes like it's people would make excuses for103000:56:26.039 --> 00:56:28.960



me that I don't want them to make. That's where103100:56:28.960 --> 00:56:32.599



I'm coming from because, like a couple of days ago,103200:56:32.639 --> 00:56:36.840



the twenty sixth was the anniversary, the ten year anniversary. Actually,103300:56:38.000 --> 00:56:42.480



I looked up my ex wife now saw a girl103400:56:42.519 --> 00:56:46.039



standing on the fourth story of a parking garage and103500:56:46.559 --> 00:56:48.360



just knew something was wrong. She told me I ran103600:56:48.480 --> 00:56:52.079



up there. I ended up pulling my girl off. Her103700:56:52.159 --> 00:56:55.480



name's Heather. She has since graduated college. She has a life.103800:56:56.079 --> 00:56:58.119



That's a good thing. I felt shitty about it for103900:56:58.239 --> 00:56:59.880



years because I didn't deserve to save her because I104000:56:59.920 --> 00:57:00.719



was such a piece of shit.104100:57:01.119 --> 00:57:05.159



Oh that's a rough judge, personal judgment on yourself.104200:57:06.679 --> 00:57:14.079



But you know, I'm really convincing to yourself, to myself,104300:57:14.159 --> 00:57:20.880



I'm really convincing. So, like all that stuff was, you're104400:57:20.920 --> 00:57:23.079



going on in the background, while I was out here104500:57:23.079 --> 00:57:25.079



trying to help people, trying to you know, do a104600:57:25.079 --> 00:57:26.880



good thing here or there, but I was also still104700:57:26.920 --> 00:57:32.320



making really selfish, really damaging decisions in my personal life104800:57:32.360 --> 00:57:35.800



that hurt people who don't deserve it. I have failed104900:57:35.800 --> 00:57:38.719



people that the people that count on me or were105000:57:38.760 --> 00:57:45.239



counting on me the most, And you just you can't105100:57:45.320 --> 00:57:48.079



just say I'm sorry. You got to do serious work105200:57:48.119 --> 00:57:51.119



to fix it. So when I when I'm sitting here105300:57:51.119 --> 00:57:52.719



and I'm saying and now I am a deeply flawed105400:57:52.760 --> 00:57:55.599



person who needs a positive mission to keep going so105500:57:55.599 --> 00:57:57.840



that I can, you know, do what needs to be done,105600:57:58.320 --> 00:58:00.760



I mean exactly that I'm not being hyper on that105700:58:01.079 --> 00:58:03.239



attention seeking already the rest of it. As a matter105800:58:03.239 --> 00:58:05.519



of fact, if somebody tried to be overly supported from105900:58:05.519 --> 00:58:08.119



the outside, I would find it repulsive and recoil from it.106000:58:09.559 --> 00:58:11.599



I don't feel sorry for myself. I just take full106100:58:11.599 --> 00:58:15.440



accountability for my actions the effect of my actions, and106200:58:16.679 --> 00:58:19.199



I am striving to do better. I'm striving to be better.106300:58:19.360 --> 00:58:26.559



That's all I get it. I understand that, like I,106400:58:26.679 --> 00:58:28.519



like I said, difficult to see from the outside, but106500:58:28.559 --> 00:58:30.519



I totally I see what you're saying from the from106600:58:30.559 --> 00:58:34.480



the inside. You were you were comming in the other106700:58:34.559 --> 00:58:36.760



day on social media that you're just kind of do106800:58:36.840 --> 00:58:40.039



you feel very done with the with the fitness industry?106900:58:40.400 --> 00:58:44.119



We touched on it a little bit. If we were107000:58:44.159 --> 00:58:47.119



going to fix it, say, we were so motivated to107100:58:47.159 --> 00:58:49.559



fix it and so powerful to do so, what would107200:58:49.599 --> 00:58:51.599



we do to make it different?107300:58:56.039 --> 00:58:58.039



I think the biggest problem with the fitness industry is107400:58:58.039 --> 00:59:00.239



the self interest. That's part. I don't think everybody needs107500:59:00.239 --> 00:59:03.639



to be ultruistic, but a mechanism for creating opportunities for107600:59:03.679 --> 00:59:09.199



you to profit require most to distinguish themselves against their peers.107700:59:09.960 --> 00:59:12.079



So what we see, in effect is we see a107800:59:12.119 --> 00:59:13.679



bunch of people saying, no, this doesn't work, No that107900:59:13.719 --> 00:59:16.960



doesn't work. You should follow my path, or this guy's108000:59:17.400 --> 00:59:19.840



an a hole, or this guy's dishonest, or this guy108100:59:20.039 --> 00:59:25.000



you know, the Nipstein and the Israe tail files, and108200:59:25.039 --> 00:59:30.719



that's the latest. But it's always something that kind of108300:59:30.800 --> 00:59:34.159



angry call out content is not only profitable, it is108400:59:34.320 --> 00:59:38.760



intended to make others look bad so that people adopt108500:59:39.119 --> 00:59:42.679



your methodology, which you profit from. I think one of108600:59:42.679 --> 00:59:45.639



the people who calls that out to really effective extent108700:59:45.840 --> 00:59:49.159



is Zach Talander. I think his viewpoint on it is108800:59:49.239 --> 00:59:52.519



largely correct. But what needs to change at the end108900:59:52.519 --> 00:59:55.519



of the day is quite simple. We need to we109000:59:55.559 --> 00:59:59.599



would need to accept and support the idea that almost109100:59:59.639 --> 01:00:03.159



everything thing works. You really want to go to war109201:00:03.239 --> 01:00:05.199



over high volume verus high intensity?109301:00:05.639 --> 01:00:06.800



Yeah?109401:00:06.840 --> 01:00:10.119



Are you kidding? The science doesn't say, oh, what's different109501:00:10.199 --> 01:00:12.880



this month? You can't trust science. I think people who109601:00:12.920 --> 01:00:17.760



are attacking academic or intellectual pursuits to understand the human109701:00:17.760 --> 01:00:20.119



body and how it works are being counterproductive to actually109801:00:20.119 --> 01:00:25.119



making change, because all science actually has demonstrated to this109901:00:25.199 --> 01:00:28.679



point is that the body is exceptionally responsive to stimulus110001:00:28.679 --> 01:00:31.639



and can it adapt. It can adapt from almost any step.110101:00:32.039 --> 01:00:36.880



I think Joel Seedman, doctor Joel Sieedman, his methodology is ridiculous,110201:00:36.880 --> 01:00:41.280



over complicated, and largely ineffective. But I promise you if110301:00:41.320 --> 01:00:43.960



you do it. If that is the thing, These hyper110401:00:43.960 --> 01:00:47.760



complex band exercises where you're balancing on your left foot110501:00:47.800 --> 01:00:49.880



on a bowsuit ball and you've got to you know,110601:00:49.920 --> 01:00:54.880



the kabuki safety squad bar on your shoulders and you're110701:00:54.880 --> 01:00:57.519



doing a half rep. The body is so good at110801:00:57.519 --> 01:01:00.000



adapting that it will take that stimulus and do something110901:01:00.239 --> 01:01:02.960



with it. It will, in my opinion, it won't be111001:01:03.440 --> 01:01:08.360



much or optimal, but it'll do something. High volume calistenics,111101:01:09.599 --> 01:01:15.400



longer time under tension loaded stretch exercises. We keep coming111201:01:15.440 --> 01:01:18.320



back with these different research studies that show, oh, well111301:01:18.360 --> 01:01:24.719



this actually works, oh within a relative statistical degree of relevance,111401:01:25.280 --> 01:01:28.199



Like they're not that much different three to five reps111501:01:28.199 --> 01:01:30.320



in reserve. If you're actually three to five reps in111601:01:30.360 --> 01:01:35.119



reserve and failure gets similar results. There are use cases111701:01:35.199 --> 01:01:37.679



for all of it. So stop pretending your way is111801:01:37.760 --> 01:01:40.559



right everybody else's way is wrong because you can point111901:01:40.559 --> 01:01:43.320



to one damn study or one meta analysis that supports112001:01:43.360 --> 01:01:45.519



your current point of view when there are so many112101:01:45.599 --> 01:01:49.199



others that don't contradict what your study said, but say112201:01:49.360 --> 01:01:55.639



this also works. I love compound movements. I love training112301:01:55.800 --> 01:01:59.360



till I have two reps in reserve. I have more112401:01:59.480 --> 01:02:01.880



lean mass than most people on Earth. I'm not saying112501:02:01.920 --> 01:02:03.639



I'm in the best shape. I am saying at six112601:02:03.639 --> 01:02:05.719



foot three and two hundred and seventy pounds and like112701:02:05.760 --> 01:02:08.920



eighteen percent body fat, I have more physical lean mass112801:02:09.199 --> 01:02:12.400



than most people. I did it on point seven grams112901:02:12.719 --> 01:02:14.679



of protein because I only have one kidney, and I113001:02:14.719 --> 01:02:17.559



have to think about that. I did it without peds.113101:02:17.960 --> 01:02:20.199



I am stronger than ninety nine point nine percent of113201:02:20.239 --> 01:02:23.440



the planet. I did all of that as a disabled person.113301:02:24.039 --> 01:02:28.280



It all works. I'm not special. I am not genetically113401:02:28.360 --> 01:02:31.079



fortunate except for these cheap bones. But other than that,113501:02:32.039 --> 01:02:35.760



the hair's pretty good too. But other than that, I'm113601:02:35.800 --> 01:02:39.840



not special. And we don't need to drag everybody else's113701:02:39.840 --> 01:02:42.519



ideas down, even naughty Aglar, who is just one of113801:02:42.519 --> 01:02:44.960



the most toxic people as far as calling others out113901:02:45.000 --> 01:02:48.880



and saying that other methodologies are especially injurious. The functional114001:02:48.920 --> 01:02:53.760



patterns guy even that to me nonsense. The weird movements114101:02:54.039 --> 01:02:58.280



will do something. The real key is the focus should114201:02:58.320 --> 01:03:02.079



be on increasing our activity, finding something that we enjoy114301:03:02.199 --> 01:03:06.000



enough to consistently do so we will build biological momentum114401:03:06.039 --> 01:03:08.760



to carry us in our later years, where we are114501:03:08.800 --> 01:03:12.400



less independent, we are more frail, and where our body114601:03:12.480 --> 01:03:14.280



is going to benefit more from the resilience that we've114701:03:14.320 --> 01:03:17.480



spent the previous decades building. That's the long and well114801:03:17.519 --> 01:03:18.760



impassioned answer.114901:03:20.480 --> 01:03:23.400



I think that part of our issue with the industry115001:03:23.519 --> 01:03:28.760



is that it's so difficult to educate people to think115101:03:28.880 --> 01:03:33.760



critically about the information that they're given and to choose115201:03:34.239 --> 01:03:37.760



the you know that like, as I say, like everything115301:03:37.800 --> 01:03:41.519



is really basic and simple. It's just not necessarily easy.115401:03:42.000 --> 01:03:42.239



You know.115501:03:42.760 --> 01:03:43.920



That's one of my favorite things.115601:03:43.920 --> 01:03:48.840



It's and I mean we you know, Mike and I115701:03:48.920 --> 01:03:52.400



took the path of with this show and our other115801:03:52.440 --> 01:03:56.679



content of just saying, hey, it's like this, it's not115901:03:56.719 --> 01:03:59.519



really like that. You don't really need you know, there's116001:03:59.519 --> 01:04:02.880



no need for fear appeals. There's no yeah, there's no116101:04:02.920 --> 01:04:05.559



food you're supposed to be scared of. There's no you know,116201:04:06.800 --> 01:04:10.039



optimal exercise program that works exactly the same for everyone116301:04:10.079 --> 01:04:12.360



and ends up with the same outcomes. It's just not116401:04:12.679 --> 01:04:15.599



you know, it just it's not like that, and that116501:04:15.760 --> 01:04:20.079



is not the popular approach. It's becoming more popular, is116601:04:20.119 --> 01:04:24.480



there There are more influencers who are who are. You know,116701:04:24.599 --> 01:04:26.039



some of it it's call out and some of it116801:04:26.079 --> 01:04:32.440



is just informational. You know. I've known Lane Norton for116901:04:32.440 --> 01:04:36.760



a long time and immediately and some people are bothered117001:04:36.800 --> 01:04:38.400



by the kind of call outs that he does. But117101:04:38.519 --> 01:04:42.920



like you know, most of the time he's on point,117201:04:44.679 --> 01:04:46.079



so mild.117301:04:46.519 --> 01:04:53.039



Yeah in comparison, Yeah, dear God, he'll push back and117401:04:53.039 --> 01:04:55.480



he'll do it to comedic effect, and he's actually got117501:04:55.519 --> 01:04:57.199



a softer touch that he used to. He used to117601:04:57.199 --> 01:04:59.480



be more aggressive about it. I remember what he was117701:04:59.480 --> 01:05:05.840



calling out Blaha, who's probably one of the most troubled117801:05:05.840 --> 01:05:10.119



and problematic individuals that our industry has ever seen. But117901:05:10.199 --> 01:05:12.360



if you look back at like what Jason Blaja was claiming,118001:05:12.599 --> 01:05:15.679



the reason he made me so angry is because he118101:05:15.840 --> 01:05:19.039



was claiming to do the kinds of things and have118201:05:19.159 --> 01:05:22.480



the experiences that I actually went through. So he was118301:05:22.519 --> 01:05:25.280



making a joke out of having PTSD. He's making a118401:05:25.360 --> 01:05:30.119



joke out of you having to work against cartels people118501:05:30.119 --> 01:05:32.360



who my identity, along with the identity of ever the118601:05:32.480 --> 01:05:34.840



marine that was serving with me at the time and118701:05:34.960 --> 01:05:39.519



several other services, our identities were leaked to them. Guys118801:05:39.679 --> 01:05:46.639



we trained you know, Mexican military that we trained turned118901:05:46.960 --> 01:05:49.440



and formed Los Zetas. So they took all the information119001:05:49.559 --> 01:05:51.519



about how we do what we do, gave it to119101:05:51.519 --> 01:05:54.679



the cartels, became the militant arm of the cartels.119201:05:55.119 --> 01:05:55.320



Wow.119301:05:55.400 --> 01:05:58.719



So these people who've seen our faces, know us, know119401:05:58.800 --> 01:06:03.000



our methods and methodology are now actually literally the enemy.119501:06:03.280 --> 01:06:05.480



And I've got this Jackquad who used to run ice119601:06:05.480 --> 01:06:09.679



cream fitness, literally trying to profit from telling fake ass119701:06:09.719 --> 01:06:14.679



stories about Yeah he made me mad and yeah, I119801:06:14.760 --> 01:06:19.079



compared his face to an unshaped scrotum and his body119901:06:19.079 --> 01:06:21.599



to a melted Campbell candle. And I met those things120001:06:21.599 --> 01:06:25.599



when I said them, But in retrospect, I regret taking120101:06:25.599 --> 01:06:28.800



such an aggressive and I know that lane because how120201:06:28.880 --> 01:06:31.239



much trouble it was. Regrets how much trouble he went120301:06:31.280 --> 01:06:33.519



to in order to fight that battle, because in the120401:06:33.599 --> 01:06:36.079



end it didn't change the guy. And as it turns out,120501:06:36.159 --> 01:06:41.360



he's deeply, deeply mentally disturbed. He's not okay. So like120601:06:41.480 --> 01:06:43.400



shitting all over a guy who's not okay, even if120701:06:43.440 --> 01:06:47.199



he's saying awful things, doesn't feel good. So I don't know.120801:06:47.280 --> 01:06:48.880



I mean, there are people who call it out, but120901:06:48.920 --> 01:06:52.760



I don't know that it does any good. Everybody we've121001:06:52.760 --> 01:06:54.079



talked about still there, dude.121101:06:54.519 --> 01:06:57.719



Yeah, you know, I don't know that he was the121201:06:57.719 --> 01:07:00.840



first person to say it, but I've certainly heard Tim121301:07:00.880 --> 01:07:03.840



Ferriss say that you can't logic someone out of a121401:07:03.880 --> 01:07:09.639



position they didn't logic themselves into. And it's like, there's121501:07:09.760 --> 01:07:12.960



no way to explain things to people who don't want121601:07:12.960 --> 01:07:16.440



to hear what you're saying in a way that changes121701:07:16.480 --> 01:07:20.679



their minds. It's unfortunate, but I think it's it's it's true.121801:07:20.800 --> 01:07:23.679



And so it's like you've got this division, this like121901:07:23.960 --> 01:07:31.320



chasm that people can't cross because people people can't understand122001:07:31.960 --> 01:07:35.760



why people on the other side believe what they believe,122101:07:36.119 --> 01:07:41.280



and they can't understand, particularly why they can't convince them122201:07:41.599 --> 01:07:44.280



that the thing that they believe is based on like nothing.122301:07:46.159 --> 01:07:49.519



Yeah, well, especially here in the United States, we have122401:07:49.599 --> 01:07:54.679



begun to incorporate our worldview and our politics to an122501:07:54.679 --> 01:07:58.440



extent into our identity. So it isn't just questioning somebody's politics.122601:07:58.480 --> 01:08:02.159



You are attacking them when you push back against their122701:08:02.199 --> 01:08:04.519



worldview and things like that. And I found the only122801:08:04.559 --> 01:08:06.920



successful way to do it is you can't force it,122901:08:07.360 --> 01:08:10.280



but you can inspire it. If you get folks to123001:08:10.360 --> 01:08:16.119



ask questions, if you get them to start questioning what123101:08:16.199 --> 01:08:20.159



they see without using force, then I find a lot123201:08:20.199 --> 01:08:22.840



of them come around, and I've had a lot of123301:08:22.880 --> 01:08:25.399



success with that when I've tried to. I don't have123401:08:25.439 --> 01:08:27.960



a particularly good opinion of Andrew Tate. I think he123501:08:28.000 --> 01:08:33.079



sends the wrong message. I think that he is grifting impressionable,123601:08:33.560 --> 01:08:39.880



insecure young people. He is profiting off of their emotional123701:08:40.800 --> 01:08:44.039



under development, and the things that he says, in my opinion,123801:08:44.039 --> 01:08:47.960



are not only wrong, they're problematic. But I work with teenagers,123901:08:48.079 --> 01:08:51.760



and when they bring up Andrew Tate, I used to say,124001:08:51.960 --> 01:08:56.119



he is intellectually stunted and emotionally constipated, and I wouldn't124101:08:56.119 --> 01:08:58.800



trust him to take out my trash. That didn't convince124201:08:58.840 --> 01:09:01.680



any of them question what he was saying. But if124301:09:01.680 --> 01:09:04.880



I sat there and I said, yeah, he said such124401:09:04.880 --> 01:09:07.079



and such, and that doesn't really make sense to me.124501:09:08.359 --> 01:09:10.359



I don't think that it's true, and I can't find124601:09:10.359 --> 01:09:13.319



any evidence that it's true. But it's weird that he's124701:09:13.439 --> 01:09:16.520



actually making a bunch of money from this point of view,124801:09:16.560 --> 01:09:19.720



that nobody can prove. Oh, you're just messing with his hustle.124901:09:20.199 --> 01:09:22.159



I don't care if somebody's got a hustle, but like,125001:09:22.239 --> 01:09:27.079



if they're tricking people, that's just honest, that's just stealing125101:09:27.119 --> 01:09:27.720



with your words.125201:09:27.720 --> 01:09:28.359



Man.125301:09:28.720 --> 01:09:32.079



And if I say that and I maintain myself as125401:09:32.079 --> 01:09:34.920



somebody that they respect, the opinion of these kids have125501:09:34.960 --> 01:09:37.399



come around. Most of them have come around. They're like, yeah,125601:09:37.439 --> 01:09:39.600



I don't really listen to that guy anymore. Man, he125701:09:39.640 --> 01:09:42.880



doesn't really like women. Because the kids will say, oh,125801:09:43.199 --> 01:09:46.439



women just want your money, women just want that. And125901:09:46.520 --> 01:09:48.520



the question I asked them, I don't know, that's not true,126001:09:48.560 --> 01:09:51.720



that's dumb, that's misogynist because that doesn't work. What I126101:09:51.720 --> 01:09:56.520



say is, really, what about your sister? Is she like that?126201:09:57.359 --> 01:10:00.159



They're like, well, no, not my sister. Well, okay, do126301:10:00.159 --> 01:10:02.520



you know anybody like, do you know anybody who's actually126401:10:02.520 --> 01:10:05.279



like that? Can you think of anyone? Pon your mom?126501:10:05.359 --> 01:10:07.560



You think your mom's only with the dad for the money.126601:10:08.880 --> 01:10:11.880



I've seen your audi, Dude, it's not, it's not. We're126701:10:11.920 --> 01:10:18.359



in a relationship kind of car brother. And you just say, yeah,126801:10:18.439 --> 01:10:21.000



you just if you just point out enough of the flaws,126901:10:21.000 --> 01:10:25.439



particularly with young people, they're gonna come around. I think127001:10:26.079 --> 01:10:28.720



you know, Michael Jackson, You say that the children are127101:10:28.720 --> 01:10:35.479



our future. Yeah, Like, I think Gen Alpha and younger127201:10:35.520 --> 01:10:39.479



Gen Z are gonna be just fine. They're just fairal enough.127301:10:39.560 --> 01:10:43.399



They are questioning everything, they're pushing back against authority. I127401:10:43.439 --> 01:10:46.199



think they're gonna be okay. I think my you know,127501:10:46.199 --> 01:10:49.199



I'm the end of Gen X and my wife is127601:10:49.199 --> 01:10:51.960



a millennial. I think we're fucked. Like we've just got127701:10:51.960 --> 01:10:54.920



to deal with the ship sandwich that we were served127801:10:54.960 --> 01:10:58.000



and that we continued to serve others. But after us,127901:10:58.039 --> 01:10:59.119



I think it's gonna be okay.128001:11:00.600 --> 01:11:03.000



Well, speaking as a boomer, I have like, no hope128101:11:03.039 --> 01:11:04.119



like that, but I'm glad.128201:11:03.920 --> 01:11:07.199



That you know you're barely older than me.128301:11:07.760 --> 01:11:10.560



No I am. I'm much older than you. Oh yeah,128401:11:10.840 --> 01:11:11.760



oh yeah, for sure.128501:11:13.039 --> 01:11:14.560



I wouldn't have put you older than fifty one. And128601:11:14.600 --> 01:11:15.960



I'm not trying to blow smoke eyes.128701:11:16.239 --> 01:11:19.760



Yeah, I had eleven years to that, no kidding, no kidding. Yeah.128801:11:20.039 --> 01:11:21.840



I just so one of your workout videos the other day.128901:11:21.840 --> 01:11:24.479



So you're moving pretty damn good for sixty two.129001:11:25.399 --> 01:11:27.760



Uh yeah, I've gotten back to it. Yeah, for sure.129101:11:27.800 --> 01:11:31.039



I had, like, there's a lot of stuff I'm doing129201:11:31.079 --> 01:11:33.920



now that I wasn't doing back in the powerlifting days.129301:11:33.920 --> 01:11:35.880



I didn't start powerlifting until I was over forty, which129401:11:36.279 --> 01:11:39.399



I don't start five. Yeah, I don't necessarily recommend waiting129501:11:39.439 --> 01:11:40.039



that long.129601:11:39.880 --> 01:11:42.760



But I wouldn't have recurred to me.129701:11:44.359 --> 01:11:47.600



I uh, I was just so banged up because I129801:11:47.680 --> 01:11:49.479



was you know, it was the geared era and like129901:11:49.640 --> 01:11:52.199



you were just like your your nervous system and then130001:11:52.239 --> 01:11:56.399



your nerves in particular, like I had shoulder issues. I130101:11:56.439 --> 01:12:00.279



had you know, I had anstring issues. I had one130201:12:00.319 --> 01:12:03.640



thing or another. FORUM tend to night is like I130301:12:03.680 --> 01:12:06.920



can't even begin to tell you. From shirted benching. It130401:12:07.000 --> 01:12:09.920



was just a nightmare. The time under tension is awful.130501:12:10.199 --> 01:12:11.840



It's awful. People don't understand.130601:12:12.319 --> 01:12:15.960



I certainly don't. I've never used I've never competed geared130701:12:16.039 --> 01:12:17.640



like that. I just I don't think I could.130801:12:18.039 --> 01:12:20.439



It was it was bad. I was never comfortable in130901:12:20.479 --> 01:12:22.920



a shirt at all. And I never really got that131001:12:22.960 --> 01:12:24.720



big a bench press out of it. Either a team131101:12:24.960 --> 01:12:28.520



like four fifty something that was the best that I131201:12:28.520 --> 01:12:31.680



could do, and that had to be fairly loose so131301:12:31.680 --> 01:12:35.279



that I could touch. But I you know, I wasn't131401:12:35.279 --> 01:12:37.840



doing like heavy dumbbell work because it hurts too much,131501:12:38.399 --> 01:12:40.960



and I'm finally at the point where things don't hurt.131601:12:41.039 --> 01:12:44.199



And you know that video that you're talking about. We131701:12:44.399 --> 01:12:50.039



have three PT professionals in the in our gym as members,131801:12:50.239 --> 01:12:54.000



and one of them in particular has been working with me.131901:12:54.279 --> 01:12:56.800



He works primarily online, so I felt, like, you know,132001:12:57.479 --> 01:13:00.079



shouting him out was a good thing to do. But he,132101:13:00.279 --> 01:13:03.479



like literally has done the best job of anybody that132201:13:03.560 --> 01:13:05.720



I've dealt with in the PT world. And I've dealt132301:13:05.760 --> 01:13:07.680



with some people that were pretty good, and I don't132401:13:07.680 --> 01:13:12.199



know if maybe my problems were not as complicated this132501:13:12.399 --> 01:13:15.199



time as they had been in the past, but it just,132601:13:15.720 --> 01:13:18.640



I don't know, it has gotten better and it's getting132701:13:18.680 --> 01:13:26.319



better over time, and I'm I'm pleased with that. I132801:13:26.319 --> 01:13:29.760



had another point, but I've lost it and that that132901:13:29.399 --> 01:13:32.199



that just means that I have to have you back133001:13:32.199 --> 01:13:35.000



again and we'll talk some more because I've enjoyed this133101:13:35.039 --> 01:13:39.279



is a great deal. So if people are so moved133201:13:39.279 --> 01:13:41.079



to find you, and I think they should be, where133301:13:41.119 --> 01:13:41.960



should they do that?133401:13:42.680 --> 01:13:45.359



You can find me on basically any platform by searching133501:13:45.439 --> 01:13:49.319



pure bull fit. I know it sounds like something else.133601:13:50.960 --> 01:13:53.520



It's like, how did you come upon that that's.133701:13:53.319 --> 01:13:56.720



The dude frustration. I kept like looking for something that133801:13:56.800 --> 01:13:59.239



wasn't taken, and I started off with one Fit Wonder133901:13:59.399 --> 01:14:02.159



and like a bunch of other stuff, and I was like,134001:14:02.199 --> 01:14:04.479



this is bullshit. And then I went huh and I134101:14:04.520 --> 01:14:06.039



wrote pure bullfit.134201:14:05.680 --> 01:14:05.880



And it.134301:14:08.039 --> 01:14:11.000



And and what by it? I meant, I've started everything134401:14:11.039 --> 01:14:14.399



with a Gmail address. It based everything off of a134501:14:14.399 --> 01:14:17.920



Gmail address, and that wasn't taken. And so I started,134601:14:18.159 --> 01:14:20.640



you know, I developed started this whole thing about calling134701:14:20.680 --> 01:14:22.800



out the bovine fecal matter and the fitness industry, the134801:14:22.840 --> 01:14:27.359



bullfit if you will, And then you know, I just134901:14:27.760 --> 01:14:31.359



now it's too late to change it. It's it's it's135001:14:31.359 --> 01:14:33.520



too late, it's been it's been too long. I think135101:14:33.560 --> 01:14:34.199



it's due feat.135201:14:34.840 --> 01:14:36.880



It's ingrained. Now it's painted on the side of the135301:14:36.880 --> 01:14:39.560



building and you won't come off. Uh yeah, Actually, I135401:14:39.560 --> 01:14:41.039



do remember. One of the things that I was that135501:14:41.079 --> 01:14:42.520



I was going to throw out there because we're talking135601:14:42.520 --> 01:14:46.000



about some hypocrisy in the in the fitness industry, is135701:14:46.039 --> 01:14:48.000



the number of people in the industry who are calling135801:14:48.119 --> 01:14:51.079



her like demonizing seed oils, but at the same time135901:14:51.119 --> 01:14:55.239



they're on TRT, which is based in seed oils. That's136001:14:55.239 --> 01:14:59.439



how they that's how they they formulate the testosterone. It's136101:14:59.760 --> 01:15:03.199



great seed oil or cottonseed oil. It's seed oil, and136201:15:03.239 --> 01:15:05.600



you're ingesting it in your body. And could that possibly136301:15:06.119 --> 01:15:10.079



be any more direct into your into your system other136401:15:10.159 --> 01:15:12.319



than just like eating it and having things destroyed in136501:15:12.319 --> 01:15:14.520



your in your in your gas rejuices.136601:15:14.560 --> 01:15:18.000



I mean, like what anyway I find they don't care136701:15:18.119 --> 01:15:19.840



at the end of the day, any of them, any136801:15:19.840 --> 01:15:22.039



topic we pick. They don't really care what the truth is.136901:15:22.119 --> 01:15:28.079



They care what they can say. They're like, they are137001:15:28.319 --> 01:15:31.880



like a narcissist in a relationship. Their goal isn't to137101:15:31.920 --> 01:15:34.720



convince you that you're wrong. Their goal is to introduce137201:15:34.840 --> 01:15:37.399



enough doubt that you have to at least ask yourself137301:15:37.439 --> 01:15:40.760



if you are and then they can proceed forward as137401:15:40.800 --> 01:15:43.920



if they are correct and you are wrong. And because137501:15:43.960 --> 01:15:46.319



you have that doubt, because you have that question, that137601:15:46.439 --> 01:15:49.079



keeps you enough on your heels so they can continue137701:15:49.079 --> 01:15:51.520



to control you or in the instance of the fitness industry,137801:15:51.520 --> 01:15:54.600



and they can continue to line their pockets because you're137901:15:54.640 --> 01:15:58.279



willing to try anything. Yeah, because you're afraid, because everybody dies,138001:15:58.359 --> 01:15:59.960



And that's a terrible thought. I want to live as138101:16:00.039 --> 01:16:01.960



long as possible, so, but I also want to be138201:16:02.000 --> 01:16:03.840



able to solve all of it in twelve weeks. Oh,138301:16:03.920 --> 01:16:06.000



you have a program for that. It's just nine hundred138401:16:06.000 --> 01:16:09.239



and ninety nine dollars. You know what I'm worth? Nine138501:16:09.279 --> 01:16:12.600



hundred and ninety nine dollars Like that's that's the industry138601:16:12.600 --> 01:16:13.239



in a nutshell.138701:16:13.760 --> 01:16:15.399



Yeah, no, I agree, one hundred percent.138801:16:15.439 --> 01:16:16.119



That was a bad joke.138901:16:16.199 --> 01:16:21.199



I'm sorry, all right. I am at DJ mcdane on139001:16:21.319 --> 01:16:23.199



the social media. This show is fifty percent of facts.139101:16:23.239 --> 01:16:25.199



For percent is a word and fifty is just numbers.139201:16:25.520 --> 01:16:28.079



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talk to you next week probably, if not maybe the139501:16:33.640 --> 01:16:34.000



weekend