Oct. 29, 2025

Mission-driven Fitness | Guest Kevin Meier (@purebullfit)

Mission-driven Fitness | Guest Kevin Meier (@purebullfit)
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In this conversation, Jim McDonald speaks with Kevin Meier, a former Marine, video game character, and fitness coach, about his journey from military service to the fitness industry. Kevin has survived and learned to cope with a devastating accidental injury.

Through his employment at Blizzard Entertainment, he met someone who was critical to recovering his his strength and physical capabilities. He also came to understand that he had to find a life mission and let it chart his path.  

They discuss the importance of community-driven fitness initiatives, the value of low-cost resources, and personal transformation stories. Kevin shares his experiences with mental health, PTSD, and the challenges of the fitness industry, emphasizing the need for critical thinking and authenticity. The conversation highlights the potential of future generations to challenge existing norms and create positive change in the fitness landscape.  

You can find Kevin on Instagram @purebullfit https://www.instagram.com/purebullfit

Chapters  
00:00 Introduction to Kevin's Journey
05:42 Community-Driven Fitness Initiatives
11:32 Military Experience and Its Impact
17:16 Finding Purpose Through Strength Training
23:57 The Importance of Authentic Connections
29:06 Reflections on Life and Relationships
38:47 Impact and Authenticity in Life
45:56 Transitioning to Coaching and Mentorship
54:48 Personal Accountability and Growth
01:00:35 Critique of the Fitness Industry
01:08:23 Future Generations and Critical Thinking


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And we're live right all right. This is Jim and

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I am continuing my series of just talking to people

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that I want to talk to on this podcast without

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I held a lot of agenda beyond that. And I've

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got Kevin with me today. Kevin just kind of nutshell

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who you are and what you're doing right now.

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I was tempted to go Mike Myers from so I

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married an axe murderer, A nutshell. I've been a nutshell.

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I'm Kevin. I'm a former marine. I've worked in video

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game development before I figured out what I wanted to

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do with my life. When a strong man coach by

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the name of Scott Brangle from East Coast West Coast

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strength Conditioning saved my life. And then I've been since

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then passionately pursuing attempting to help folks live longer, better

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quality lives through incorporating activity, pushing back against the nonsense

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of the fitness industry, learning my lessons from that, you know,

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becoming the thing you hate. And now I'm moving forward

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attempting to turn my community into a nonprofit organization that

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will help people everywhere live longer, better quality lives through

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providing low and no cost resources so that they can

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do that.

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Actually, before we jump into all of that, let me

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ask you the question about low or no. Yeah, there's

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always an impulse to be able to provide something at

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such minimal costs or no cost. But there's also a

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feeling that if somebody doesn't pay just a little bit

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for something, you know, like five bucks or whatever, they

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don't value it as much. Do you? How do you

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feel about that?

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So I think that there are multiple avenues of learning,

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and that there are multiple avenues of investment. I have

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run into that been coaching for about twelve years now,

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since before I actually left Blizzard Entertainment, which is a

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funny story we might get into that. And I did

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it for free. Initially people didn't value it as much.

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I started to charge people valued it more than I

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started making decisions based off what is the minimum amount

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I can charge to comfortably live doing just this, And

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then with the economy the way that it was the time,

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how that fluctuates that quickly it became very quickly apparent

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that it wasn't an intelligent way to live. When you know,

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training is one of the first things people are going

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to cut out in anxious times. So I've really. And

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I also, you know, when you make something your job,

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you love it less. So I can either have a

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mission or I can have a job. And I have

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elected to take a mission. And my job is to

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work at a nonprofit international preparatory school. So I work

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with students every day that pays the bills. That makes

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me happy. I like those interactions. But going back to

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answer the question specifically, getting people, and it's usually on

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a one on one basis to be invested effort wise,

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goal wise. These things can overcome the not valuing it

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because it's free, but it's also one of those things

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where if you don't have it and you need it

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and you can't afford it, that is the absolute worst

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reason on the planet, worst obstacle on the planet. Money

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shouldn't never be the one barrier between you and becoming

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healthier and getting control of your life and all the

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other great things that can come from being more physically active.

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Yeah, no, I would, I would agree with you. I

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just like one example kind of from my life is,

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you know, back in the st days, there was a

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point at which it became free, and to me, that's

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that's when the cohesion started to come apart, right because

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it was too easy to be involved on a casual

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basis and not be there for I mean, but before that,

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when people were paying you, there was almost always somebody

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to train with who was interested in training with you,

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and people would show up to two meets to help out,

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you know, spot load judge, and and it became much

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harder and you have to start saying, well, to get free,

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then you have to be able to to to bring

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something else to the table. And and while that was

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a good notion, it still just was never quite the

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same after that. After the point that it became free,

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you know, people just could could drop in and out

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for months at a time. And not that that doesn't

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happen in the paid world, because I can tell you

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it's owning a gym that certainly happens to put the

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on hold or whatever or whatever.

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But so I think one of the ways that we

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can get past that looking at it from a nonprofit

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community point of view instead of a movement that is

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also a business sort of thing, is that you can

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expect people to contribute into other people's lives. So once

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you build connections between people, there's investment and it's reciprocal.

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So if I do a go fit yourself challenge, which

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is one of the things that I intend to do

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and I get I don't know plint numbers out of

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thin air, one hundred people to participate in that. They

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go through that challenge together, they form bonds, they continue

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to support each other. At the end of the day,

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it doesn't matter if they are if they have perfect attendance,

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because very much part of the lesson is falling off

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the wagon and getting back on. Yeah, if you go

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through a fitness or a life change, or you change

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your body and you don't learn how to fail and

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then get back up and continue to go, you didn't

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learn all the lessons that you need to that process.

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Yeah, I would agree with that. This type of challenge,

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is it more of a strength focus strength and health focus?

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Is it? Is it like, is there a weight loss element.

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That you're you're seeing or it's community focused? So what

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the community needs at the time will drive what the

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challenges are. That's again the beautiful thing about a nonprofit

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is that the community owns it. Not the person who's driving,

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and not the person who's can you know, making it

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all work, Not the board, not any of the rest

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of it. The community determines what they need and what

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the responsive to. It is my job, and anybody who

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decides to get on the train and help me, it

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will be our job to flex to what it is

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that the community wants to do, because ultimately, if we

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can just push the direction into more activity, then so

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much is going to solve itself in. I am not

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betrothed to a single sport. I don't like bodybuilding. It's

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not my thing. I will never want to be a bodybuilder.

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But if that is the mechanism through which the most

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amount of people are going to get involved and start

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moving forward, then I will have an event that helps

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them do that, and I will bring in professionals that

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will judge and monitor and give advice. If it's powerlifting,

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we'll do that. Short of you know, competitive cocaine snorting.

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I'm going to go with what the community wants because

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what I want at the end of the day is

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a healthier community that is less dependent on medical intervention

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just to live.

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Yeah, I think that that's you know, And I think

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that I've been banging this drum a lot lately, and

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I'm trying to reinforce every time I see somebody say

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it online that like, it's not a short term commitment

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that we're talking about. It's it's not something that you

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can do for twelve weeks and then you're done. It's

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and it it runs counter to like everything about our

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food culture, everything about our our our kind of lack

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of exercise culture. You know that. And I haven't personally

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experienced this, but people complain about like, oh, I go

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to to a family event and I'm not eating everybody

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else's food, so they're you know, I brought my own

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food because I'm on a particular plan or whatever, and

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people criticize or make fun of me or whatever. I've

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never experienced that, but I guess it does happen, and

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it's just sort of a product of I think it's

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like I think it's like guilt and shame on the

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on the on the the part of the people who

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are who want to complain and want to want to

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to other people who are just doing it differently. It's like,

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this is just this is just how I need to

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do things. I you know, this is no no criticism

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of what you're doing. Is just this is what I

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need to do for me. You know.

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That's part of it. But part of it is Also,

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people need to be more accountable about the level of

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adversity that they allowed to be a preventative obstacle in

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their life. A couple of difficult conversations a year is

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not a good excuse not to be taking care of yourself. Yeah, frankly,

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And it's an opportunity instead of like in the one

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or two times it's ever happened to me, where I

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was making healthy choices and you know, some well meaning

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grandma came over to me. It was like, oh, no,

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you need to you need this peacan pi, you have

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to have your second slice. Well, right now, I've got

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this goal that I'm after. And while I really really

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enjoyed the little bit that I have, I've really got

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to stop now. And then sometimes that's planning seeds. My

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mom was egregiously overweight. My mom was five foot four

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and almost three hundred pounds until she was seventy seventy one. Yep,

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she was walking with a walker. My mom finally got

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sick of it. I guess, you know, impending thoughts of

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mortality finally got through because sometimes that's what it takes. Rshally,

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you need to go on, go on, buddy, And she

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said Kevin ad Simelt, so we started to work together.

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Mom is now at one hundred and ninety six pounds

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as of this morning, just came back from seeing her.

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While that is still very heavy for someone who is

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five foot four, she doesn't walk with a walker. She

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can scoot around for at seventy five years old, for

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up to a mile and a half before she really

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needs to sit down to rest. She goes to comic

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con conventions, dresses, up sells crocheted dragons that she made.

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She got one hundred and ten. She'd go into a

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comic con the middle of the next month. She will

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sell all of those crocheted dragons. She's a little hustler

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and she's got energy. And so it's like even with

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an incredibly late start, even with an incredibly high number

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she was two hundred and seventy one pounds, the difference

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can be made once we strip away the excuses that

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I was talking about, the judgments, and we get the investment.

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For my mom, it took a fear of death to

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do it, and unfortunately, that's the level is going to

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take for a lot of people. A close call, a

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family member dying of a heart attack when they're forty

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four years old.

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Things like that.

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I think I may have lost track of the topic conversation.

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I've begun to ramble.

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I apologize, No, you know you're not. Actually, I think

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you're very much on point, because it's the issues like

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what is what drives people? And how do you explain

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it to other folks? And it's like, well, you know what,

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I feel like that I will not I will not

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live out my expected lifespan if I do not make

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these changes in my life. And I hope you understand.

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I promised my wife that I would live to one

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hundred and five. She came up with that number. I

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don't know how I'm going to do it, but I'm

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going to try. So I've got to be a little

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more on point and a little healthier than other people.

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The original goal was ninety seven, but now I've got

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to add another Well, I would hope that all your

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harms way days are behind you, and then that's it.

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It's more likely that.

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Statistically, I at my best chance of survival right now.

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Yeah, So I guess let's backtrack into origins. You said

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you were in the Marines, and what kind of what

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time period was that, and what sort of thing were

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you facing then?

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So I was in the service for two distinct periods.

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I joined originally in two thousand and then my second

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day on my first duty station was nine eleven. Things

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got very difficult. I thought it was a prank. At first,

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I thought they were hazing us. They were not hazing us.

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It was a It was a bad deck. But then

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I got in two thousand and five in an attempt

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to save my first marriage. Spoiler alerted did not work,

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and then I came. I went back in in two

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thousand and seven. So two thousand and five to two

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thousand and seven I was out and then I went

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back in. My second period is the impactful period to

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me because in the first period I was just working

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on aircraft. It was busy and it was hard. But

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I wanted to do something, you know, at the time,

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to make me feel more like a man. So I

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ended up getting a job where I was liaised to

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the National Security Agency and we prosecuted the anti narcotic

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antic human trafficking mission out of Mexico predominantly, but also

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Central and South America. And that was a significant ramp

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up in responsibility, scope of mission and from what I

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was doing before I went from turning wrenches and making

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sure birds flew and landed and fixing them when they

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broke to much more, much more important work that unfortunately

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exposed me to the worst that human I hasked to offer,

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and the reason that my career ended in twenty twelve.

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It wasn't because of like I didn't get like shot

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by a cartel member or something like that. It was

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a dumb freak accident that caused permanent nerve damage on

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the left side of my body. We have this thing

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in the Marine Coops called MCMAPP. It's the Marine Corps

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Martial Arts Program, and we have an hour of sustainment

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each week that we have to do. I was an uki,

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which if you do a kido or many martial arts,

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Japanese martial arts, you know that is the person who

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the technique is demonstrated on, and we were demonstrating the

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neck crank, which is a pain compliance maneuver, not in

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fancy terms. You grab him by the chin in the

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back of the head and you turn real hard and

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it hurts, so it makes you go in the direction

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that you're like, I'm not a small dude. I'm At

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the time, I was six y three and two hundred

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and nineteen pounds right now, two hundred and seventy.

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And I went down.

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The last thing I remember, kind of comically is when

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done correctly was a last thing I heard, and I

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woke up in the hospital, so obviously it was not

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done correctly. Apparently ruptured six seven in my neck. Yeah, yeah,

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causing permanent damage nerve damage in my left arm. I

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have about thirty percent reduced sensation there. I have difficulty

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holding onto things or letting go of them, both physically

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and emotionally. I tried to really that hard about it,

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because you know, if we really talk about this, some

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of it's gonna get dark. Yeah, you know, I've got

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in addition to that, I have for other herniated discs

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one of my thoracic spine in three my lumbar spine,

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and they're fairly large. If you know anything about herniated discs,

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they range from eight millimeters to eleven millimeters. So I've

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got a lot of pressure on my psiatic nerve on

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the left side.

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So I have.

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Reduced sensation in my left leg as well, and it's

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it's quite painful. But because the Marine Corps also took

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a kidney. Yeah, I was a heat casualty. My organ

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started shutting down and only one of my kidneys came

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back online. Oh yeah, that was also during training. Not

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even a cool story. We didn't bring enough water and

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we went into the buttes in central Texas in the

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middle of summer when it was like one hundred and

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five degrees and I was hospitalized for dehydration. So I

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can't even take pain meds, so I live every single

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day in the kind of chronic pain I wouldn't wish

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on my worst enemy. And that led into me being

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medically retired and moving on to work at Blizard Entertainment,

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which is a video game company. But having this massive

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impactful mission that I thought was like doing the world

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good in retrospect, maybe not as much as I thought,

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but this very important mission that only sixty five other

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Marines were doing at the time, I had to take

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it away, and my purpose and my feeling of capability

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I could hardly walk around. All these other stuff caught

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up with me, and I started not want to be

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on Earth anymore. Some self destructive behavior, some destructive behavior

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that hurt people who didn't deserve it, and I was

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in a bad place. And that's when I decided. I

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got goaded into attending the Blizzard boot Camp, which I

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made fun of the name because I went to Marine

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Corps recruit training. I promise you, whatever they had, it's.

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Got nothing, got nothing on it. Yeah?

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Nothing. So I show up to this thing and I

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can hardly move around, and I tell Scott Brangle, who

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I don't even think Blizzard understood who they hired one

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of the very competitive, very well known middleweight in strong Man.

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He runs California's Strongest Man. Like this guy rubs elbows

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with Brian Shaw and Martin Leasy's and like some really

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big big names because he runs events that they compete at.

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This dude is doing the boot camps for a video

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game company. Like that just boggled my mind. It kind

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of doesn't track, it doesn't, but he loves doing it,

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so he's He holds Blizzard's Strongest Troll every year, where

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a bunch of us who buy in work out really hard,

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and then he holds a mini strong Man competition to

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determine who the strongest at Blizer Entertainment is and the

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winningest I cannot even say I am the winningest person.

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Oh that's a Renee Coyter equal size to me, very big,

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very athletic dude just kept winning over and over and over,

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agetting God bless him. We have been in a quiet

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competition ever since. Well I know, we follow each other

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on Facebook only to see where our lifts are at

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right now so that we can compare, because we've never

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like chilled and hung out. We're friendly, but it has

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always been about like, okay, how much you squad right now,

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how much you're deadlifted. But that, yeah, that saved my

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life because I went to him and I said, make

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a long story short. I said, hey, I'd like to

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do some pressing. I really can't do anything with my

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lower body. I've got this problem. I've got that problem.

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And bless his heart, he's old school. He literally looked

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at me and said fuck that camere and he grabbed

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me by the ear literally again, and he drug me

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over to the squad rack and he assessed my form,

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and in three years I went from not being able

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to complete one single body weight squat to squatting over

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four hundred pound At the time, I've squatted five point forty.

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Now as a disabled person, I've overhead pressed two hundred

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and fifty five strict press. I've bench pressed four hundred

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and twenty five four to fifteen for a pause. I'm

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still working on a six hundred pound deadlift. But for

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a guy who's can only feel half of his body

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and he's got significant spine damage, this man saved my life.

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He gave me a purpose. He let me come and

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do camps with him. When things got especially hard and

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I was no longer in a position to afford the training,

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he let me train for free. He just instilled in

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me a value of accomplishing big goals by breaking them

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down into small, manageable pieces like mesa cycle to microcycle,

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and just taught me how to do it. And he

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gave me such a love for it that I wanted

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to give that feeling to other people. And that is

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the feeling that I have been chasing ever since.

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What is the like? Neurologically? How does that? How did

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you overcome those things with it? Like just a very

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conscious thought of about what the muscles should be doing that?

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Oh, how do I squat not being able to feel

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my leg?

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Yeah?

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I think about my leg the entire time. It's like

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the reverse of a phantom limb. I have it, but

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I don't feel it. I don't not have it, but

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I feel it, so I have to think about it,

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and sometimes I collapse under the weight. That's why I

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always use safety bars. I don't use spotters because I

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might hurt somebody. In competition, I'm always nervous about it,

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and even if I'm doing sub five hundred on a squat,

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I will always ask for five people to spot because

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I'm competing against able bodied people. I don't want that

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to all back on some backspotter and to land on

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him and break his legs personal one. So it's real

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risk for me and I'm not going to put other

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people at risk because of that. But I think about it.

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I watch my knee on the way down, and I

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watch what it's doing, and I think about what it's

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supposed to do. And when I get to the bottom

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part of it, I'll be frank with you. I hope,

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I hope I stand up.

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That's all of us, really, but yeah, I get.

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But it's been a joy to find out what I'm

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capable of. And you usually don't find out what you're

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capable of until you don't have any other choice.

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So it was an.

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Important experience for me, and it started the process of

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me going from thinking I wanted to die every single day,

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defining a reason not to every day, to all these

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years later. I mean I just finished a six month

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course of extremely intensive PTSD specific therapy, to not wanting

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to die, to not thinking that I deserve to not

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continuing to exist because somebody has to pay for the

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things that happened. Like that was a thought that kept

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me alive for a while. As dark as that sounds.

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That's yeah, that is definitely dark. But I get it

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the white people sometimes feel that way to listeners.

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I want to be really clear. I am not trying

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to wax dramatic. I don't have a flock of eagles

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seagulls haircut. You know this is this is not me like, oh,

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my pain is so deep.

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I was.

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I went through the ringer and I discovered that my

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silence was one of the things that nearly killed me.

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So I am open about it so that other people

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will be more comfortable talking to me. And that has worked.

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So I talk very plainly and very matter of factly

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about some of the dark places that have been in

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some of the things that I have been through, in

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the hope that that will embolden someone else to build

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some inertia to get the help that I finally got

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that finally made a difference in my life. So that's

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that's the only reason I talk about it. I'm not

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I don't need anybody's sympathy. I'm doing fine.

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Yeah. I think that people don't understand how prevalent PTSD is,

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and it's really a spectrum that's white. That's that's a thing.

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Like I didn't really understand it until until my best

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friend passed away, and I was like, you know, I

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was there with him, like immediately before and then after

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he died of cancer and just interactions with his family.

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I just kept reliving over and over and over again,

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and I still can't if I think about it too much.

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And those are not I mean, they were traumatic, but

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it wasn't like I was on a battlefield. I wasn't

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nobody was shooting at me. I wasn't, you know, I

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was in the military hospital, but I was not in

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the military. And and it was I mean, six six

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months awful, really awful. And then both my parents died

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and so I sort of a distraction there was like

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you know, uh, and I didn't have as much PTSD

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with them, as I did with my best friend doing

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but I never really thought about being a candidate for

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that before. And just as an aside, I've been recently

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been reading about people who do not think visually, so

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like if you say apple, they don't picture an apple

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in their mind. They may have some other other other

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sensation associated with it, but they don't get a visual image.

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And apparently those people are less prone to PTSD because

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there they don't replicate what it does. Yeah, I was,

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I was shocked and then but at the same time like, oh,

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light bulb moment with.

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That, it's a rough one and it is a spectrum.

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I've served with folks who who were not exposed to

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any of the things that I was, that are not

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doing as well as I am because we have different

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weak points. Sometimes for some folks, I know a lot

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of folks that this applies to. It is the sense

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of pressure, even if nothing ever happened, that erodes away

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at their the resilience, and then they end up having

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a perpetual anxiety response. They become hyper vigilant, they become

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a gooraphobic.

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It's rough.

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The world sucks, and it sucks a lot more acutely

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than the average person, particularly in this country, is aware of.

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There are some really ugly and hard truths out there.

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And I used to say, and I don't know if

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I still believe it entirely, but I used to say,

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to experience those things will cost you one of two things,

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your sanity or your soul. You have to choose. And

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00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:56.640
I chose to keep my soul, and I lost my sanity.

463
00:25:57.440 --> 00:25:59.279
Whereas some people are like, no, this is fine, this

464
00:25:59.319 --> 00:26:01.200
is okay, this is the way the world is, I

465
00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:03.519
think they lost their soul because there's no way you

466
00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:06.799
should be able to look at that level of human suffering, brutality,

467
00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:09.559
atrocity and not be moved.

468
00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:11.480
Yeah.

469
00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:12.960
I don't think that's a normal response.

470
00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:15.640
No, I agree with you. Well, I mean it just

471
00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:19.559
it's a lack of empathy, a lack of being able

472
00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:25.920
to see yourself in somebody else's position and and and

473
00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:29.359
and empathize with that. Yeah. I think that people don't

474
00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:34.559
understand how how depression and anxiety work either, and how

475
00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:39.240
a lot of people will have depressive episodes or anxiety

476
00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:42.079
or whatever. They do not really have a trigger.

477
00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:44.319
It just it just happens.

478
00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:49.119
Yeah, Yeah, people, it's something that people don't don't really get.

479
00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:53.039
They expect this like, oh, you know, and like I'm

480
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:57.039
sure that everyone on the outside of your life as

481
00:26:57.039 --> 00:26:59.880
you have gone through these difficult times, look at you

482
00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:03.079
and don't understand, like, well, this guy seems like he's

483
00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:06.319
got his shit together, and he seems like, you know,

484
00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:09.400
he seems like he's I mean, you're you have a

485
00:27:09.519 --> 00:27:14.200
very like kind of squared away, commanding presence, not just

486
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:16.279
because you're a big guy, but because you just seem

487
00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:22.279
very level and and people don't understand that there's just

488
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:27.039
a lot more going on inside that you don't have

489
00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:27.720
control over.

490
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:32.680
Yeah, it's a lot of internal screaming and outward calm.

491
00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:35.920
That's like one of the early steps of getting your

492
00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:41.039
shit together, because it wasn't even always that good. Yeah,

493
00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:46.119
now I actually experience the calm that I portray, whereas

494
00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:49.000
up until you're a year and a half ago, that

495
00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:53.279
was definitely not the case. Sometimes people think that I'm

496
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.319
unfriendly in public. It's just that I am experiencing every

497
00:27:56.359 --> 00:28:01.119
single stimulus. The light feels like it's pressure on my skin,

498
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:03.799
the sound feels like it's beating me up. Uh, And

499
00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:06.680
then people want me to smile and be friendly and

500
00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:11.359
I try. I got a pretty good mask, but it's difficult.

501
00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:15.240
And that's why, like fighting a mission has been so

502
00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:18.720
important for me, because existing is not enough. I am

503
00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:20.759
tired of existing. But if I have a mission, I'll

504
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:21.200
keep going.

505
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:24.880
That makes sense. Well, also, you promise your wife to

506
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:26.720
you lived one hundred and five for the missions.

507
00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:31.160
Yeah, because she's a witchy woman, she'll like summon my

508
00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:36.680
spirit back. I'll hear about it. No, there will be

509
00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:38.279
no rest, no crossing over.

510
00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:42.960
You just just beetlejuicing there. Bro.

511
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:49.319
I'm if I do die before she does, which is

512
00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:53.279
what she's really afraid of, I think she will decorate

513
00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:55.640
the house with my bones. And I'm not saying that

514
00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:57.680
to be funny. I think that's actually what she'll do.

515
00:28:57.720 --> 00:28:59.839
She'll find to use for my femurs. My skull will

516
00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:02.240
be bowl or something. She'll put some flowers in it,

517
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:05.960
you know. My hip bones will hold flowers or whatever

518
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:07.920
the hell. Like, that's what she does with all the

519
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:10.160
other bones she collects. And this is a woman who

520
00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:12.440
stops screamed at me early in our relationship. Driving down

521
00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:14.880
the street, she goes stop, I'm like, what's happening? I

522
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:17.839
think car crash. I think it's something terrible. No, she

523
00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:20.359
saw a rotting coyote carcass on the side of the

524
00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:24.000
road and she wanted it, so she jumped out, grabbed it,

525
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:27.440
put it in my trunk, and we took it home.

526
00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:31.680
And to this day, eight years later, I keep trash bags,

527
00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:35.319
rubber gloves, and some various tools in the trunk in

528
00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:37.119
case that happens again. And I know, if I ever

529
00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:38.880
get pulled over a copskin, I think I'm a serial

530
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:41.440
murderer just for the road killed dude.

531
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:44.599
That's great.

532
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:48.200
That still in my house. She processed that corpse. That

533
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:50.359
skull is in my house with crystals and flowers and

534
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:52.400
crab in it.

535
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:55.759
This this reminds me a little bit of a story

536
00:29:55.799 --> 00:30:00.559
about my my wife's parents when they were in high

537
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:05.440
school together. Her mom was trying to do like a

538
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:11.160
science project about cat's eyeballs, so her her dad went

539
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:13.400
out and you know, found a.

540
00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:16.279
Straight cat, found some cat's eyeballs fell off a truck.

541
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:21.599
Yeah, exactly exactly. It's like, you know, the things you'll

542
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:23.599
do to win the love of a good woman or something,

543
00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:26.839
I guess, I mean.

544
00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:31.519
Gosh, I would try really hard to find an alternative.

545
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:37.720
To yeah, well, you know, he didn't have the same

546
00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:41.079
value on small animals that that the rest of us do.

547
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:45.279
Ever ever, in his entire entire life, he's been gone

548
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:50.039
for a while. But yeah, it's one of those like

549
00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:54.880
family shakes their head at itch, going, oh man, but

550
00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:58.559
it sounds like your wife would be really taking a

551
00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:02.559
whole like step up on the little like you know,

552
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:05.519
the little amulet that that people wear with ashes of

553
00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:10.319
loved ones if you barred around the house, that's a

554
00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:11.400
totally different level.

555
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:15.319
My ashes, if any part of me is burned up,

556
00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:18.960
and if anyone is responsible for my premature death, will

557
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:21.680
be used as war paint as she goes on the

558
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:25.000
old war path. And I'm not making that up. That

559
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:27.680
is what I was told to my face. I think

560
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:29.440
it was supposed to be romantic.

561
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:33.160
Well in its own way, it's a way yeah, no,

562
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:34.000
I joke.

563
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:37.160
I love I love that woman. I would like to

564
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:39.200
tell a story about her real quick, if that's okay,

565
00:31:39.319 --> 00:31:43.079
Absolutely all right. So a couple of years ago, November

566
00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:47.160
actually were coming up on a three year anniversary of it,

567
00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:50.599
there was a domestic dispute up the street from my

568
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:54.160
old apartment, and I talked about it a little bit,

569
00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:57.359
not too specifically. I released a couple of videos saying, hey,

570
00:31:57.400 --> 00:31:59.319
I almost got shot last night, and this is how

571
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:02.920
I'm dealing with it. We heard someone scream he hit me.

572
00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:05.839
So at midnight or nearer enough, my wife and I

573
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:08.039
went running down the stairs. I look up the stairs

574
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:11.079
at her, seeing that she's coming along with me, and

575
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:14.480
she's got a baseball bat, and I said, call the cops. No,

576
00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:17.599
I said, call the cops, and she grabbed the baseball

577
00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:18.839
bat and I said, you can't call the cops with

578
00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:20.279
the baseball bat. She looked at the bat and then

579
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:22.240
grabbed her phone and followed. So we go up the

580
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:24.680
street and there's like eight people. One guy's on the ground.

581
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:28.720
His foot looks wrong. Apparently that got broken in the altercation.

582
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:31.319
Some people were drunk at the bar. One tried to

583
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:34.240
follow the other one home ended up fender bendering them,

584
00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:37.000
and then they pulled. Everybody pulled into the dude's driveway

585
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:41.799
and the guy that lives there ended up smacking his girlfriend.

586
00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:43.119
Just the short of the story. I didn't know any

587
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:45.880
of that when I arrived so on my street, in

588
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:50.559
my neighborhood. I am just a nice guy. Who solves problems,

589
00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:53.359
helps you move stuff into your house. If I see

590
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:55.160
you've got a moving van outside, I'm going to help

591
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:57.200
you that kind of thing. So I have, you know,

592
00:32:57.400 --> 00:32:59.720
a little bit of cred. I decided this to spend it,

593
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:04.319
so I start trying to talk everybody down. Once the

594
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:07.400
story comes out that the guy had hit his girlfriend,

595
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:11.920
one of the gentlemen runs in the house, comes outside

596
00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:13.960
with a shotgun and isn't pointing it at the other guy,

597
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:17.559
the guy who allegedly hit his girlfriend, but he's pointing

598
00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:21.640
at him through me because I'm interposed between them. He's

599
00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:23.920
got it at my back and he's trying to get

600
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:25.440
around me, and I'm trying to calm him down. The

601
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:28.680
cops have already been called by this point. In response,

602
00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:30.440
the drunk guy goes into the back of his car

603
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:34.119
and he pulls out a glock nineteen. I recognize it.

604
00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:35.559
I've seen lots of them, and he racks it and

605
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:37.519
he starts pointing at the other guy, also once again

606
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:39.759
through me. So I'm standing between two angry and he

607
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:42.119
raided people with guns, and I'm trying to talk him down.

608
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:45.519
So I'm staying calm, and I look at my wife

609
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:49.920
any other person, let alone a woman who is only

610
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:52.559
armed with a baseball bat that I know would have

611
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:55.279
got the fuck out of Dodge. I look over at

612
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:58.559
her and she is like hunched down, looking at me

613
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:01.599
intently like a hound dog. She's waiting for me to stay.

614
00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:04.160
Sick them because she's going to attempt to fight two

615
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:06.960
guys with guns with a baseball bat. That is my wife.

616
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:08.719
That is who my wife is. That is how down

617
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:11.840
she is. And in that moment, I knew, like we've

618
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:14.119
been together for a while, we'd had some difficulties. We

619
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:15.840
wondered if we were going to stay together. At that point,

620
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:18.559
that is the moment that I knew this was mine.

621
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:21.440
This was the one that I wanted. She was down,

622
00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:24.039
she was terrified, but she was down. She was going

623
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:26.920
to be there with me no matter what happened. So

624
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:29.480
I eventually resolved the situation before the cops got there

625
00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:31.320
by telling them I turned around the guy with the

626
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:33.639
shotgun first and I said, the cops are coming. This

627
00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:36.760
is Bengor, Maine. They don't get action. They're not going

628
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:39.639
to stop and ask questions. They're gonna think, oh god,

629
00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:42.960
I can get a shiny ribbon or an award they're

630
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:45.239
gonna shoot you because you have a gun, and they

631
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:48.199
will be able to justifiably shoot you. You are going

632
00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:50.199
to die if you don't calm down. I told the

633
00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:52.360
other kid the same, so they put their weapons away.

634
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:54.880
The cops arrived. I gave a report of what happened.

635
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:57.280
Turns out the kid who smacked his girlfriend and had

636
00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:01.280
the clock, he was actually part of there. He was

637
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:04.159
a probationary officer, so he had gone through like they

638
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:07.239
knew him by name. They immediately started trying to like

639
00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:11.840
shape like you know what happened. So I said, you know,

640
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:13.840
he pointed a gun. He says, well, did he point

641
00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:16.079
it at the ground as officer? He pointed it through

642
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:18.920
me at that gentleman over there. And I had to

643
00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:21.039
like be really specific because I heard them kind of

644
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:26.119
trying to like couch the conversation to protect their their

645
00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:30.400
probationary officer. I don't know if he's still with them.

646
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:34.199
I don't know how that worked out, but it did

647
00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:36.960
leave me with serious concerns about the fidelity of the

648
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:39.960
police force here in Bangormain. And if anybody from Bangormain's

649
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:44.000
watching this, from the police force, what's the report looked like?

650
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:45.400
I would love to know.

651
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:52.280
Yeah, yeah, no kidding, they're not always bringing their best

652
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:53.239
let's just say no.

653
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:58.679
No, Like, it's an important job. It's very difficult. I

654
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:02.039
know it's politicized at this point, but I have family

655
00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:05.119
members who were in law enforcement. What I did in

656
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:07.559
the Marine Corps was adjacent to law enforcement. We helped

657
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:09.360
the DEA, and you know, we took care of it

658
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:10.960
on the other side of the border. The DEA took

659
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:13.519
care of it on this side of the border border patrol.

660
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:15.480
I know that there are good men and women who

661
00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:16.960
serve in those functions that are doing it for the

662
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:21.400
right reasons. And it's really hard with the narrative being

663
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:23.960
that if you are associated all with law enforcement, you're evil.

664
00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:27.079
I don't buy into that. I have practical experience. If

665
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:29.159
you don't, then I know more than you and you

666
00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:31.880
shouldn't be telling me how to feel. There are some

667
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:35.800
good people. There are some real crappy people though, too. Yeah,

668
00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:37.119
and they're the bigger problem.

669
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:40.880
Yeah, I mean I think it's the power differential.

670
00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:44.559
Yeah, No, the power dynamic is absolutely it. Like, you

671
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:45.880
want to tell me that it's legal for you to

672
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:48.519
date an eighteen year old and you're thirty five years old. Okay,

673
00:36:48.559 --> 00:36:52.599
it's still screwed up. Yeah, it's still met the power dynamic. Oh,

674
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:55.320
this person also is dependent on you financially. They don't

675
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:57.639
own anything. Oh, you encourage them not to bother to

676
00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:00.320
get a job or a license. They just stay at home. Yeah,

677
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:04.639
that's healthy. I don't. I don't trust you anymore. Don't

678
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:09.159
care if it's technically legal. Dude, you could get me

679
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:12.360
going on and he's subject. I don't think I have

680
00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:15.559
any other feelings than strong feelings.

681
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:20.280
Well, that that's good. That's that. That That means that

682
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:23.119
you're thinking about a lot of things and and and

683
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:26.480
giving you yourself a moment to react to them, though

684
00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:31.079
the same way that herschel there is reacting to the toy. Really,

685
00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:34.159
it does have a dolphining effect back there.

686
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:37.360
That he has one thought ever, and it is toy.

687
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:38.760
This is the first thing he wants in the morning,

688
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:41.199
because we take it away from him to night. This

689
00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:43.679
is this is his only expression of joy. It's the

690
00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:45.159
only way he understands happiness.

691
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:48.880
But what you're saying is he's a dog.

692
00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:52.920
There are benefits to him being simple. He's not even

693
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:55.119
food motivated. If you put the toy in front of

694
00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:56.719
him and his dinner. He's going for the toy.

695
00:37:57.639 --> 00:37:58.119
Oh wow.

696
00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:00.440
If we didn't take it from him, he wouldn't eat.

697
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:02.760
He's obsessive.

698
00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:06.440
That's uh, that's some commitment to the bit right there.

699
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:09.039
Please.

700
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:15.119
Yeah, uh, you are not the only person I've ever

701
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:17.840
met who is a video game character, but you're I

702
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:21.199
think the one that has been the most video game characters. Uh.

703
00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:24.119
We you know, we we met in person at at

704
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:24.920
the Arnold a couple.

705
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:26.320
Of years I remember, yeah, and.

706
00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:30.760
Had had a long and entertaining lunch the group of us,

707
00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:34.079
and you were telling some of those stories, like what

708
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:36.880
what was your favorite part of that that experience.

709
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:41.800
Honestly, my favorite part of that experience of Mike inviting

710
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:46.679
me out to lunch was how real you guys turned

711
00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:51.920
out to be. Like not everybody that that you have

712
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:55.079
worked with in your past who has had very successful

713
00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:58.800
careers in the space comes off as authentic or comes

714
00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:01.559
off in the same way that they present themselves like

715
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:03.480
you guys do. I've always loved that about Mike. I

716
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:06.800
love to find that he was surrounded by people like him,

717
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:12.639
like yourself, who were just genuine human beings and recoil

718
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:18.119
from the facades. And the fakeness and the manufactured everything

719
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:23.519
that is what we do. It was very, very, very

720
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:25.480
rewarding for me to see somebody that I wanted to

721
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:29.599
believe in was actually who he presented himself to be.

722
00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:35.519
I enjoyed that interaction so much. And if there's anything

723
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:38.320
that any of you guys need, it's like, I'm not

724
00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:42.119
wearing this shirt today because we're talking. I love my

725
00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:44.719
third free Barbell stuff. I love my good Company stuff.

726
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:49.920
I love what you guys do. I've been following Aviy

727
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:52.599
now for ever since we met at the Arnold. That

728
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:55.960
is a real athlete with like a good head on

729
00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:59.039
her shoulders, and she's going to do, you know, great things.

730
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:02.119
She's going to drag people to success. That's the crap

731
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:06.199
I love to see. Even if Mike or you, or

732
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:10.079
or any of the folks uh in the crew never

733
00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:12.480
get any credit for it, each and every life that

734
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:15.880
you have impacted in a positive way inspired them to

735
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:17.880
try a little harder, do a little bit more, be

736
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:20.519
a little bit more authentic. That's an a positive to

737
00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:22.039
the world that you put in there, and I love

738
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.639
that energy. So that was my favorite part. The burger

739
00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:25.440
was also really good.

740
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:30.039
I was kind of more more talking about the experience

741
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:31.159
of being a video game camera.

742
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:33.400
I love hearing it.

743
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:36.559
I love hearing that that we are we are who

744
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:39.119
we appear to be. I don't think I have the

745
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:44.760
energy to not be who I am. The same is true, Mike,

746
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:47.559
But as you point out, like we have been associated

747
00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:50.079
with people who are not exactly who they appear to be,

748
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:56.400
and being who we are, we kind of perpetuated that,

749
00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:01.239
not in ourselves, but we we plan formed it. Let's

750
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:05.639
just say, you know, and and and that's that's just

751
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:08.239
a thing. It's just you know, it's it's something that

752
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:11.480
it's a situation I think about a lot, but I

753
00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:14.440
don't really there's nothing not I can not anything I

754
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:16.920
can really do about it other than just continue to

755
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:20.519
be myself. And you know, I continue to this show

756
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:22.440
not because it makes any money, because it doesn't, but

757
00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:25.639
just because it's it's a it's an expression. I've been

758
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:28.159
doing it for so long. You know, It's like, I

759
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:30.519
don't know where the stopping point is. I mean, this

760
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:35.440
show process, this show is coming up on on five

761
00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:39.880
hundred episodes, and and I it's like, well, that could

762
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:43.079
be a natural stopping point, especially since I'm I'm you know,

763
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.360
holding down the floor by myself. But I'm actually enjoying

764
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:49.239
these conversations so much that I'll I will probably keep

765
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:51.800
going even if, like I've I've experienced a couple of

766
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:55.159
periods where I just needed to, you know, I just

767
00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:57.280
needed to not do a show that week, I was

768
00:41:57.320 --> 00:41:59.840
busy or whatever. And before it was like, you know,

769
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:01.920
I had somebody that I could just we can just

770
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:04.599
pull in and just talk about whatever, and that's the show.

771
00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:10.760
And and this takes more effort than that. But like

772
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:14.400
I said, I'm enjoying it, and I'm I'm very very

773
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:18.119
carefully picking people that I think will be that I'll

774
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:20.039
have good conversations with it. I will want to know

775
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:20.960
what they have to say.

776
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:24.920
I choose to take that as a compliment and appreciate it.

777
00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:33.440
Do we answer your question. I think my favorite is

778
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:35.639
probably the last one. One of the other people that

779
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:38.440
helps save my life is Jessica Drew Johnson. She's a

780
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:42.480
cinematic artist at Blizzard Entertainment and her husband is one

781
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:44.760
of the managers in that department, if not the lead

782
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:47.840
of the department by this point, but it's hard to tell. Sorry, Seth,

783
00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:51.760
I don't remember, but they make these awesome cinematics for

784
00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:54.920
Blizzard Entertainment games World of Warcraft, StarCraft if one of

785
00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:57.039
the things that they're really famous for is people loved

786
00:42:57.199 --> 00:43:00.000
how much effort goes into the cinematics in between scenes

787
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.840
or at the beginning of the game. So if you're

788
00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:05.440
in the audience out there and you've ever played, or

789
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:08.320
you've in the last few years have played World of

790
00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:16.039
Warcraft and you were familiar with the black prints, oh,

791
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:20.639
his name is escaping me. You've seen my face. You've

792
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:23.960
seen my face every loading screen. Jessica asked if she

793
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:26.239
could take some pictures of my hair, so I sent

794
00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:28.840
those and then she said, this is for a thing.

795
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:31.960
The next thing I know, my Facebook profile pick from

796
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:34.880
that time period is the loading screen of Dragonflight. Right

797
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:38.039
there in the center, that's my face with a big

798
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:43.199
hoop earring in it. One of the main NPCs that

799
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:45.239
sends you on your way and gives you your missions

800
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:49.920
is the son of the Dragon that you fought in Cataclysm,

801
00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:53.639
and they used my likeness for all the scenes, my

802
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:56.760
curly hair, my pointed goatee at the time, the whole

803
00:43:56.800 --> 00:43:59.480
nine yards. So that's probably my favorite one, the one

804
00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:03.559
I find most problematic, which I don't know if I

805
00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:07.920
want to admit on here there is a character who

806
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:11.920
is of a nationality that I am not that. If

807
00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:14.199
you see me, especially with my hair in a bun,

808
00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:16.440
and you look at my face and then you look

809
00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:20.039
at that character's face, you're like, oh shit, that's Kevin.

810
00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:22.960
And I remember having my face drawn by a particular

811
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:24.920
artist who I will spare you all. I'm not name

812
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:28.199
you in public, but you took my face and you

813
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:30.599
made it that character that I should not be because

814
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:33.440
there is no way I will be confused for that race,

815
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:38.280
for that character. I'm Scott's Irish and German. If I

816
00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:40.320
say anymore, it will be very obvious what I'm talking about.

817
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:43.880
But you know, I told you guys mostly in confidence.

818
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:46.360
But yeah, it's happened a number of times.

819
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:49.679
Yeah, yeah, I could get that. How that would be

820
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:53.079
a little uncomfortable for people to recognize it. And it's

821
00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:55.239
like you didn't. This is not a decision you.

822
00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:59.199
Made, No, No, I would have shot that down if.

823
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:02.639
Anybody nad Yeah, but you'd already like let them have

824
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:04.159
your likeness, right, So.

825
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:08.559
Yep, I was just trying to make friends with the

826
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:13.159
art department because as a personnel manager. One of the

827
00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:17.199
best things that you can do is have personal relationships

828
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:20.159
with all the disparate different apartment departments within a large

829
00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:23.519
organization like that. So when you get an outstanding candidate

830
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:26.559
that doesn't necessarily have a clear fit, you can kind

831
00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:28.760
of like go find a space for them, because some

832
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:33.440
people are worth investing in even if they don't have

833
00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:40.639
the immediate qualifications on paper. Ali Ann, for instance, I

834
00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:44.679
met at Bliuzcon. It was our convention, and they had

835
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:48.000
an amazing cosplay. But that's why I started talking to them,

836
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:50.599
and I turned out they had an amazing passion for

837
00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:54.559
video games. They had managerial experience working at a chain

838
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:59.559
store that was perfully associated with video games. They understood

839
00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:03.599
how production worked, so I got them in as a tester,

840
00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:07.280
but they quickly moved to producer, and then they moved

841
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:11.280
to another company, and you know, a senior producer until

842
00:46:11.559 --> 00:46:15.440
unfortunately the toxicity of the video game industry ruined it

843
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:19.480
for her. Because it's really toxic, it's really bad. I

844
00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:24.239
can tell you from personal experience that the suit brought

845
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:27.719
against Blizzard Entertainment in twenty nineteen was well deserved, and

846
00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:30.880
they did not cover everything that was problematic there. Everything

847
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:34.519
they said happened in the suit definitely happened. I witnessed

848
00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:38.280
most of it myself. It was pretty bad. So I'm

849
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:40.000
glad to be out of that. But I'm also glad

850
00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:41.480
that I had the opportunity because I never would have

851
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:43.360
met Scott. I never would have fell in love with

852
00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:48.320
this idea of gifting people. You know, the independence and

853
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:51.960
the power that the self control that comes with physical activity.

854
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:55.719
How that can help you know your mental health, It

855
00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:58.559
can help you get your life back on track. The

856
00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:03.079
lessons you've learned in Iron can actually be translated, excuse me,

857
00:47:03.199 --> 00:47:05.599
could be translated into basically any other aspect of your life.

858
00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:07.920
It is the simplest place to learn them, is the

859
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:09.880
lowest stakes place to learn them, But they can be

860
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:12.679
applied to any other aspect of your life. So I

861
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:14.400
am grateful for the opportunity to have been there. I

862
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:18.039
have some great memories and great friends. One bit of

863
00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:25.280
competition for an a, but yeah, it was. It was

864
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:27.039
ultimately a bad place to work, and I'm glad I'm

865
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:27.599
no longer there.

866
00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:33.920
So you're working with kids now, Yeah, And like, what's that?

867
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:36.719
How did that come about? And what's that like? For you.

868
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:40.119
So this kind of fell into my lap. My folks

869
00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:43.920
asked me to move home in twenty eighteen, and I did,

870
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:45.920
and I was puttering around. I was trying to find

871
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:48.079
things because I had been working in addiction recovery with

872
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:53.800
a place called the Orion House where they take folks

873
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:56.360
in and for up to like a year and a half,

874
00:47:56.960 --> 00:47:58.760
you know, we take them from a you're not allowed

875
00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:01.360
to go anywhere, to help them get a job, help

876
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:04.079
them develop skills, help them find a place and beat addiction.

877
00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:06.440
And it was really worthwhile. I was really finding a

878
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:09.000
mission in that. But my mom said I need you,

879
00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:12.760
so I came home, and when I did, I was

880
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:15.639
kind of puttering around aimlessly. I couldn't really find anything

881
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:19.519
like that here. I tried, you know, doing in home

882
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:21.880
care and stuff like that, but nothing was really clicking.

883
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:27.239
And then just to fill my summer, I asked my dad,

884
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:32.239
who was a finance director at the nonprofit International Preparatory School,

885
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:35.239
and he said, well, there's a bunch of stuff that

886
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:37.880
I need help with. Everybody wears so many hats, you know,

887
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:41.159
to get it done. My pop is HR finance director

888
00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:43.880
and until very recently was the interim head of school

889
00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:47.679
on top of all of his other responsibilities. And everybody

890
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:51.440
is like that, every teacher, every staff member has multiple duties.

891
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:54.760
So I came in and I started renovating the classrooms,

892
00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:58.000
some basic skills that I got. I started doing some

893
00:48:58.159 --> 00:49:01.199
minor electrical work, and then I helped my wife prepare

894
00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:03.599
the dorms for the new kids to come in. And

895
00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:07.480
then that turned into there was a whole group of kids,

896
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:09.519
and I'm doing it again this year. There was a

897
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:12.559
old group of kids that live out on a peninsula

898
00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:15.599
that can't get to the school because we can't afford

899
00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:18.480
to pay one hundred and thirty thousand dollars for a

900
00:49:18.519 --> 00:49:21.360
single bus to make two trips a day, and every

901
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:24.519
year they add twelve to fifteen thousand dollars onto it.

902
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:27.400
It just got too expensive. So we got a couple

903
00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:31.360
of vans and I go pick them up and that

904
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:37.400
is about six hours of driving total. Excuse me, that

905
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:40.239
is four hours of driving total this year. Originally, when

906
00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:43.480
I was doing both sites, it was six to eight

907
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:47.360
hours driving every day, and then I moved into coaching

908
00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:49.639
five nights a week. That's what I'm doing this year.

909
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:53.880
I predominantly coach the international students, and the high potential

910
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:58.760
athletic students. Athletics is not important at our school. It

911
00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:02.920
is the less that you can learn in, like responsibility,

912
00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:05.880
team work, overcoming adversity. Those are the things that matter.

913
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:10.199
But we don't have like a state competitive like, we

914
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:14.199
don't have a Class A anything, right, because what we're

915
00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:17.159
getting is academically inclined students who also have an interest

916
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:21.239
in field hockey or soccer, et cetera. So our football

917
00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:24.000
team is undefeated and they're going into the playoffs, but

918
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:27.199
they're Class D. So like, we don't even have a

919
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:32.960
fifty three person team. Okay, we got guys playing both ways.

920
00:50:33.199 --> 00:50:36.440
Not a lot of subbing going on there. No, it's

921
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:38.280
fresh off the bench, not so much.

922
00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:42.440
Our quarterback is also a cornerback. Are one of the

923
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:44.679
boys who lives with me because I house three of

924
00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:47.480
the students. One of the boys who lives with me

925
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:51.159
plays JV and varsity and he plays both ways on

926
00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:52.639
JV and varsity.

927
00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:53.639
Oh my goodness.

928
00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:56.840
Yeah, he's the nose tackle and he's the left tackle

929
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:07.800
in both. Well, yeah it's rough, but I love it.

930
00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:10.599
We see we take the kids who really want to learn,

931
00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:14.280
and I get fresh minds. I get receptive people and

932
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:16.760
the two communities that I have found you can affect

933
00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:23.719
the most with incorporating intelligent you know, physical activity is

934
00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:27.679
young kids and old folks. Those are the two communities

935
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:29.239
that you make the biggest impact. If you want to

936
00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:32.800
make money, work with athletes, cool, do you That's not

937
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:35.400
for me. I want to make people's lives better. I

938
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:39.079
want to see the impact. James Lehman lost over one

939
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:42.039
hundred pounds and his doctor, not me. I would never

940
00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:45.400
say this. His doctor said, you don't need testosterone treatments anymore.

941
00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:47.760
You know, you've brought your weight into a range where

942
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:52.199
that's recovered. My friend Tessa, who I've known for many, many,

943
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:54.639
many years, we got her weight down to the point

944
00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:57.800
her activity up where she no longer needed to take insulin.

945
00:51:58.039 --> 00:52:00.239
Her doctor took her off again. I would never ever

946
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:04.360
suggest anything like that, right, you know, that's the kind

947
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:05.880
of impact that I love my mom that I told

948
00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:08.880
you about when we were in the grain room. You know,

949
00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:10.599
her lou going from two hundred and seventy one pounds

950
00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:13.199
to one hundred and ninety six, which is still very overweight,

951
00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:15.400
but she doesn't need a walker anymore. She's independent. She

952
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:17.360
can go grocery shop for herself if she wanted to.

953
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:19.920
She goes to comic book conventions. That's the shit I

954
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:22.519
want to do. That's the stuff that makes you want

955
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:23.880
to live another day. You know what I'm talking about.

956
00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:27.559
Yeah, Yeah, especially in the context of everything you said,

957
00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:28.480
that totally makes sense.

958
00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:31.280
How that would like feed your soul? Dude, I need

959
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:35.360
a mission. I think I finally found it. I got

960
00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:39.599
so frustrated with the just drivel going on in the

961
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:43.679
fitness industry. Everybody should know none of these guys are perfect.

962
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:46.559
So it's not like I'm upset that Mike isratel or

963
00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:49.519
Jeff nipperd are getting drugged down or drug through the mud.

964
00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:52.440
You put yourself out there. This is one of the consequences.

965
00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:56.960
But nobody is perfect. Is this idea that to hyper

966
00:52:57.000 --> 00:53:01.239
scrutinize small mistakes and turn them into just endless streams

967
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:05.119
of content that's largely disingenuous, especially when the people who

968
00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:07.840
were making that call out content are guilty of the

969
00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:11.239
very same things that they're calling out. I did a

970
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:13.079
whole I haven't published it. I'm not going to. I

971
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:15.760
did a whole angry rant response is like, hey, I

972
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:18.159
took one of the videos of this guy who's calling

973
00:53:18.159 --> 00:53:19.920
out that guy, and I'm going to show in his

974
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:23.119
video everything that he accused that guy of doing that

975
00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:25.679
he has also done this same thing. We need to

976
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:28.000
think critically. We need to treat these people as people,

977
00:53:28.079 --> 00:53:31.599
not as idols, not as infallible sources of information. We

978
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:34.679
should be thinking for ourselves. I was so mad about it,

979
00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:37.599
and then I felt like really crappy. After I finished

980
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:38.880
making it, I was like, oh, yeah, this is why

981
00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:41.480
I stopped making call out content. Is why I stop that.

982
00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:43.159
I don't want to feel this way all the time.

983
00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:46.559
So I decided to just move in a positive direction instead.

984
00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:50.239
I decided to take my community that you know I've

985
00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:53.400
been nudging along and not really doing much with, and

986
00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:56.559
we're going to become a nonprofit organization dedicated to legitimately

987
00:53:56.559 --> 00:54:00.400
helping people. Not to distinguish myself or act like I'm

988
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:02.360
sort of saying, because Jim, I gotta tell you, I

989
00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:03.920
am not a great person. I got called a great

990
00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:06.000
person today. I am not a great person. I am

991
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:10.159
not a particularly good person. I am I'm not even

992
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:14.519
a reformed asshole. I am an asshole in remission right,

993
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:18.360
Like the danger of the asshole coming back is real,

994
00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:23.639
and I've got one guard for it. And I've got

995
00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:28.639
a lifetime of mistakes and debt that I will spend

996
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:30.880
the rest time, the rest of my life, you know,

997
00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:32.840
trying to fix and I will never quite be enough,

998
00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:34.880
and that's okay, but I need to do the work,

999
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:36.880
so like, I'm just trying to do something good. I

1000
00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:38.960
don't think I'm better than these people. I just think

1001
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:40.519
I'm making a better decision right now.

1002
00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:48.440
Yeah, well, I mean I have a hard time seeing

1003
00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:51.199
you as the asshole. I can see how people would

1004
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:56.280
would be intimidated just looking at you without you being

1005
00:54:56.360 --> 00:55:02.800
an asshole. But I don't know, Like, I mean, people

1006
00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:08.000
describe themselves sometimes that way, and their vision of themselves

1007
00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:10.719
is not exactly what other people would would see from

1008
00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:14.000
the outside or even even you know, Like I don't

1009
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:16.960
know what your dark moments look like when you're interacting

1010
00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:18.719
with somebody and you feel like you're being an asshole.

1011
00:55:18.719 --> 00:55:19.639
I don't know what that looks like.

1012
00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:24.840
But I mean much more like I have made decisions

1013
00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:27.480
in my life that were so selfish that I have

1014
00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:30.360
indelibly negatively affected other people's lives.

1015
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:35.920
I've caused pain that other folks did not deserve and

1016
00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:39.239
is not yet resolved. I have betrayed trusts.

1017
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:40.280
I have.

1018
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:45.880
Stood by and let things that I knew were wrong happen.

1019
00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:51.639
I got some shit to answer for, real shit.

1020
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:53.159
Yeah, and.

1021
00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:56.760
You know, being in a place where I could look

1022
00:55:56.760 --> 00:55:59.079
at that and go, oh, it's just fuel for why

1023
00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:01.199
I don't deserve to live where you only get to

1024
00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:02.920
live so you can suffer because you're the last one

1025
00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:07.159
who cares. Like all of this like really unproductive, emo bullshit.

1026
00:56:10.760 --> 00:56:15.199
I need something positive. I need to be the person

1027
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:18.360
that I allowed everybody to think I was by being

1028
00:56:18.639 --> 00:56:21.960
like I did good things man like, even when I

1029
00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:25.960
was making mistakes like it's people would make excuses for

1030
00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:28.960
me that I don't want them to make. That's where

1031
00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:32.599
I'm coming from because, like a couple of days ago,

1032
00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:36.840
the twenty sixth was the anniversary, the ten year anniversary. Actually,

1033
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:42.480
I looked up my ex wife now saw a girl

1034
00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:46.039
standing on the fourth story of a parking garage and

1035
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:48.360
just knew something was wrong. She told me I ran

1036
00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:52.079
up there. I ended up pulling my girl off. Her

1037
00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:55.480
name's Heather. She has since graduated college. She has a life.

1038
00:56:56.079 --> 00:56:58.119
That's a good thing. I felt shitty about it for

1039
00:56:58.239 --> 00:56:59.880
years because I didn't deserve to save her because I

1040
00:56:59.920 --> 00:57:00.719
was such a piece of shit.

1041
00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:05.159
Oh that's a rough judge, personal judgment on yourself.

1042
00:57:06.679 --> 00:57:14.079
But you know, I'm really convincing to yourself, to myself,

1043
00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:20.880
I'm really convincing. So, like all that stuff was, you're

1044
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:23.079
going on in the background, while I was out here

1045
00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:25.079
trying to help people, trying to you know, do a

1046
00:57:25.079 --> 00:57:26.880
good thing here or there, but I was also still

1047
00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:32.320
making really selfish, really damaging decisions in my personal life

1048
00:57:32.360 --> 00:57:35.800
that hurt people who don't deserve it. I have failed

1049
00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:38.719
people that the people that count on me or were

1050
00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:45.239
counting on me the most, And you just you can't

1051
00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:48.079
just say I'm sorry. You got to do serious work

1052
00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:51.119
to fix it. So when I when I'm sitting here

1053
00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:52.719
and I'm saying and now I am a deeply flawed

1054
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:55.599
person who needs a positive mission to keep going so

1055
00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:57.840
that I can, you know, do what needs to be done,

1056
00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:00.760
I mean exactly that I'm not being hyper on that

1057
00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:03.239
attention seeking already the rest of it. As a matter

1058
00:58:03.239 --> 00:58:05.519
of fact, if somebody tried to be overly supported from

1059
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:08.119
the outside, I would find it repulsive and recoil from it.

1060
00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:11.599
I don't feel sorry for myself. I just take full

1061
00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:15.440
accountability for my actions the effect of my actions, and

1062
00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:19.199
I am striving to do better. I'm striving to be better.

1063
00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:26.559
That's all I get it. I understand that, like I,

1064
00:58:26.679 --> 00:58:28.519
like I said, difficult to see from the outside, but

1065
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:30.519
I totally I see what you're saying from the from

1066
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:34.480
the inside. You were you were comming in the other

1067
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:36.760
day on social media that you're just kind of do

1068
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:40.039
you feel very done with the with the fitness industry?

1069
00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:44.119
We touched on it a little bit. If we were

1070
00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:47.119
going to fix it, say, we were so motivated to

1071
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:49.559
fix it and so powerful to do so, what would

1072
00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:51.599
we do to make it different?

1073
00:58:56.039 --> 00:58:58.039
I think the biggest problem with the fitness industry is

1074
00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:00.239
the self interest. That's part. I don't think everybody needs

1075
00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:03.639
to be ultruistic, but a mechanism for creating opportunities for

1076
00:59:03.679 --> 00:59:09.199
you to profit require most to distinguish themselves against their peers.

1077
00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:12.079
So what we see, in effect is we see a

1078
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:13.679
bunch of people saying, no, this doesn't work, No that

1079
00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:16.960
doesn't work. You should follow my path, or this guy's

1080
00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:19.840
an a hole, or this guy's dishonest, or this guy

1081
00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:25.000
you know, the Nipstein and the Israe tail files, and

1082
00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:30.719
that's the latest. But it's always something that kind of

1083
00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:34.159
angry call out content is not only profitable, it is

1084
00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:38.760
intended to make others look bad so that people adopt

1085
00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:42.679
your methodology, which you profit from. I think one of

1086
00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:45.639
the people who calls that out to really effective extent

1087
00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:49.159
is Zach Talander. I think his viewpoint on it is

1088
00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:52.519
largely correct. But what needs to change at the end

1089
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:55.519
of the day is quite simple. We need to we

1090
00:59:55.559 --> 00:59:59.599
would need to accept and support the idea that almost

1091
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:03.159
everything thing works. You really want to go to war

1092
01:00:03.239 --> 01:00:05.199
over high volume verus high intensity?

1093
01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:06.800
Yeah?

1094
01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:10.119
Are you kidding? The science doesn't say, oh, what's different

1095
01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:12.880
this month? You can't trust science. I think people who

1096
01:00:12.920 --> 01:00:17.760
are attacking academic or intellectual pursuits to understand the human

1097
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:20.119
body and how it works are being counterproductive to actually

1098
01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:25.119
making change, because all science actually has demonstrated to this

1099
01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:28.679
point is that the body is exceptionally responsive to stimulus

1100
01:00:28.679 --> 01:00:31.639
and can it adapt. It can adapt from almost any step.

1101
01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:36.880
I think Joel Seedman, doctor Joel Sieedman, his methodology is ridiculous,

1102
01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:41.280
over complicated, and largely ineffective. But I promise you if

1103
01:00:41.320 --> 01:00:43.960
you do it. If that is the thing, These hyper

1104
01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:47.760
complex band exercises where you're balancing on your left foot

1105
01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:49.880
on a bowsuit ball and you've got to you know,

1106
01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:54.880
the kabuki safety squad bar on your shoulders and you're

1107
01:00:54.880 --> 01:00:57.519
doing a half rep. The body is so good at

1108
01:00:57.519 --> 01:01:00.000
adapting that it will take that stimulus and do something

1109
01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:02.960
with it. It will, in my opinion, it won't be

1110
01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:08.360
much or optimal, but it'll do something. High volume calistenics,

1111
01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:15.400
longer time under tension loaded stretch exercises. We keep coming

1112
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:18.320
back with these different research studies that show, oh, well

1113
01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:24.719
this actually works, oh within a relative statistical degree of relevance,

1114
01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:28.199
Like they're not that much different three to five reps

1115
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:30.320
in reserve. If you're actually three to five reps in

1116
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:35.119
reserve and failure gets similar results. There are use cases

1117
01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:37.679
for all of it. So stop pretending your way is

1118
01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:40.559
right everybody else's way is wrong because you can point

1119
01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:43.320
to one damn study or one meta analysis that supports

1120
01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:45.519
your current point of view when there are so many

1121
01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:49.199
others that don't contradict what your study said, but say

1122
01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:55.639
this also works. I love compound movements. I love training

1123
01:01:55.800 --> 01:01:59.360
till I have two reps in reserve. I have more

1124
01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:01.880
lean mass than most people on Earth. I'm not saying

1125
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:03.639
I'm in the best shape. I am saying at six

1126
01:02:03.639 --> 01:02:05.719
foot three and two hundred and seventy pounds and like

1127
01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:08.920
eighteen percent body fat, I have more physical lean mass

1128
01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:12.400
than most people. I did it on point seven grams

1129
01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:14.679
of protein because I only have one kidney, and I

1130
01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:17.559
have to think about that. I did it without peds.

1131
01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:20.199
I am stronger than ninety nine point nine percent of

1132
01:02:20.239 --> 01:02:23.440
the planet. I did all of that as a disabled person.

1133
01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:28.280
It all works. I'm not special. I am not genetically

1134
01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:31.079
fortunate except for these cheap bones. But other than that,

1135
01:02:32.039 --> 01:02:35.760
the hair's pretty good too. But other than that, I'm

1136
01:02:35.800 --> 01:02:39.840
not special. And we don't need to drag everybody else's

1137
01:02:39.840 --> 01:02:42.519
ideas down, even naughty Aglar, who is just one of

1138
01:02:42.519 --> 01:02:44.960
the most toxic people as far as calling others out

1139
01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:48.880
and saying that other methodologies are especially injurious. The functional

1140
01:02:48.920 --> 01:02:53.760
patterns guy even that to me nonsense. The weird movements

1141
01:02:54.039 --> 01:02:58.280
will do something. The real key is the focus should

1142
01:02:58.320 --> 01:03:02.079
be on increasing our activity, finding something that we enjoy

1143
01:03:02.199 --> 01:03:06.000
enough to consistently do so we will build biological momentum

1144
01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:08.760
to carry us in our later years, where we are

1145
01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:12.400
less independent, we are more frail, and where our body

1146
01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:14.280
is going to benefit more from the resilience that we've

1147
01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:17.480
spent the previous decades building. That's the long and well

1148
01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:18.760
impassioned answer.

1149
01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:23.400
I think that part of our issue with the industry

1150
01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:28.760
is that it's so difficult to educate people to think

1151
01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:33.760
critically about the information that they're given and to choose

1152
01:03:34.239 --> 01:03:37.760
the you know that like, as I say, like everything

1153
01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:41.519
is really basic and simple. It's just not necessarily easy.

1154
01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:42.239
You know.

1155
01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:43.920
That's one of my favorite things.

1156
01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:48.840
It's and I mean we you know, Mike and I

1157
01:03:48.920 --> 01:03:52.400
took the path of with this show and our other

1158
01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:56.679
content of just saying, hey, it's like this, it's not

1159
01:03:56.719 --> 01:03:59.519
really like that. You don't really need you know, there's

1160
01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:02.880
no need for fear appeals. There's no yeah, there's no

1161
01:04:02.920 --> 01:04:05.559
food you're supposed to be scared of. There's no you know,

1162
01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:10.039
optimal exercise program that works exactly the same for everyone

1163
01:04:10.079 --> 01:04:12.360
and ends up with the same outcomes. It's just not

1164
01:04:12.679 --> 01:04:15.599
you know, it just it's not like that, and that

1165
01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:20.079
is not the popular approach. It's becoming more popular, is

1166
01:04:20.119 --> 01:04:24.480
there There are more influencers who are who are. You know,

1167
01:04:24.599 --> 01:04:26.039
some of it it's call out and some of it

1168
01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:32.440
is just informational. You know. I've known Lane Norton for

1169
01:04:32.440 --> 01:04:36.760
a long time and immediately and some people are bothered

1170
01:04:36.800 --> 01:04:38.400
by the kind of call outs that he does. But

1171
01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:42.920
like you know, most of the time he's on point,

1172
01:04:44.679 --> 01:04:46.079
so mild.

1173
01:04:46.519 --> 01:04:53.039
Yeah in comparison, Yeah, dear God, he'll push back and

1174
01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:55.480
he'll do it to comedic effect, and he's actually got

1175
01:04:55.519 --> 01:04:57.199
a softer touch that he used to. He used to

1176
01:04:57.199 --> 01:04:59.480
be more aggressive about it. I remember what he was

1177
01:04:59.480 --> 01:05:05.840
calling out Blaha, who's probably one of the most troubled

1178
01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:10.119
and problematic individuals that our industry has ever seen. But

1179
01:05:10.199 --> 01:05:12.360
if you look back at like what Jason Blaja was claiming,

1180
01:05:12.599 --> 01:05:15.679
the reason he made me so angry is because he

1181
01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:19.039
was claiming to do the kinds of things and have

1182
01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:22.480
the experiences that I actually went through. So he was

1183
01:05:22.519 --> 01:05:25.280
making a joke out of having PTSD. He's making a

1184
01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:30.119
joke out of you having to work against cartels people

1185
01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:32.360
who my identity, along with the identity of ever the

1186
01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:34.840
marine that was serving with me at the time and

1187
01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:39.519
several other services, our identities were leaked to them. Guys

1188
01:05:39.679 --> 01:05:46.639
we trained you know, Mexican military that we trained turned

1189
01:05:46.960 --> 01:05:49.440
and formed Los Zetas. So they took all the information

1190
01:05:49.559 --> 01:05:51.519
about how we do what we do, gave it to

1191
01:05:51.519 --> 01:05:54.679
the cartels, became the militant arm of the cartels.

1192
01:05:55.119 --> 01:05:55.320
Wow.

1193
01:05:55.400 --> 01:05:58.719
So these people who've seen our faces, know us, know

1194
01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:03.000
our methods and methodology are now actually literally the enemy.

1195
01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:05.480
And I've got this Jackquad who used to run ice

1196
01:06:05.480 --> 01:06:09.679
cream fitness, literally trying to profit from telling fake ass

1197
01:06:09.719 --> 01:06:14.679
stories about Yeah he made me mad and yeah, I

1198
01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:19.079
compared his face to an unshaped scrotum and his body

1199
01:06:19.079 --> 01:06:21.599
to a melted Campbell candle. And I met those things

1200
01:06:21.599 --> 01:06:25.599
when I said them, But in retrospect, I regret taking

1201
01:06:25.599 --> 01:06:28.800
such an aggressive and I know that lane because how

1202
01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:31.239
much trouble it was. Regrets how much trouble he went

1203
01:06:31.280 --> 01:06:33.519
to in order to fight that battle, because in the

1204
01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:36.079
end it didn't change the guy. And as it turns out,

1205
01:06:36.159 --> 01:06:41.360
he's deeply, deeply mentally disturbed. He's not okay. So like

1206
01:06:41.480 --> 01:06:43.400
shitting all over a guy who's not okay, even if

1207
01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:47.199
he's saying awful things, doesn't feel good. So I don't know.

1208
01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:48.880
I mean, there are people who call it out, but

1209
01:06:48.920 --> 01:06:52.760
I don't know that it does any good. Everybody we've

1210
01:06:52.760 --> 01:06:54.079
talked about still there, dude.

1211
01:06:54.519 --> 01:06:57.719
Yeah, you know, I don't know that he was the

1212
01:06:57.719 --> 01:07:00.840
first person to say it, but I've certainly heard Tim

1213
01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:03.840
Ferriss say that you can't logic someone out of a

1214
01:07:03.880 --> 01:07:09.639
position they didn't logic themselves into. And it's like, there's

1215
01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:12.960
no way to explain things to people who don't want

1216
01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:16.440
to hear what you're saying in a way that changes

1217
01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:20.679
their minds. It's unfortunate, but I think it's it's it's true.

1218
01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:23.679
And so it's like you've got this division, this like

1219
01:07:23.960 --> 01:07:31.320
chasm that people can't cross because people people can't understand

1220
01:07:31.960 --> 01:07:35.760
why people on the other side believe what they believe,

1221
01:07:36.119 --> 01:07:41.280
and they can't understand, particularly why they can't convince them

1222
01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:44.280
that the thing that they believe is based on like nothing.

1223
01:07:46.159 --> 01:07:49.519
Yeah, well, especially here in the United States, we have

1224
01:07:49.599 --> 01:07:54.679
begun to incorporate our worldview and our politics to an

1225
01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:58.440
extent into our identity. So it isn't just questioning somebody's politics.

1226
01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:02.159
You are attacking them when you push back against their

1227
01:08:02.199 --> 01:08:04.519
worldview and things like that. And I found the only

1228
01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:06.920
successful way to do it is you can't force it,

1229
01:08:07.360 --> 01:08:10.280
but you can inspire it. If you get folks to

1230
01:08:10.360 --> 01:08:16.119
ask questions, if you get them to start questioning what

1231
01:08:16.199 --> 01:08:20.159
they see without using force, then I find a lot

1232
01:08:20.199 --> 01:08:22.840
of them come around, and I've had a lot of

1233
01:08:22.880 --> 01:08:25.399
success with that when I've tried to. I don't have

1234
01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:27.960
a particularly good opinion of Andrew Tate. I think he

1235
01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:33.079
sends the wrong message. I think that he is grifting impressionable,

1236
01:08:33.560 --> 01:08:39.880
insecure young people. He is profiting off of their emotional

1237
01:08:40.800 --> 01:08:44.039
under development, and the things that he says, in my opinion,

1238
01:08:44.039 --> 01:08:47.960
are not only wrong, they're problematic. But I work with teenagers,

1239
01:08:48.079 --> 01:08:51.760
and when they bring up Andrew Tate, I used to say,

1240
01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:56.119
he is intellectually stunted and emotionally constipated, and I wouldn't

1241
01:08:56.119 --> 01:08:58.800
trust him to take out my trash. That didn't convince

1242
01:08:58.840 --> 01:09:01.680
any of them question what he was saying. But if

1243
01:09:01.680 --> 01:09:04.880
I sat there and I said, yeah, he said such

1244
01:09:04.880 --> 01:09:07.079
and such, and that doesn't really make sense to me.

1245
01:09:08.359 --> 01:09:10.359
I don't think that it's true, and I can't find

1246
01:09:10.359 --> 01:09:13.319
any evidence that it's true. But it's weird that he's

1247
01:09:13.439 --> 01:09:16.520
actually making a bunch of money from this point of view,

1248
01:09:16.560 --> 01:09:19.720
that nobody can prove. Oh, you're just messing with his hustle.

1249
01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:22.159
I don't care if somebody's got a hustle, but like,

1250
01:09:22.239 --> 01:09:27.079
if they're tricking people, that's just honest, that's just stealing

1251
01:09:27.119 --> 01:09:27.720
with your words.

1252
01:09:27.720 --> 01:09:28.359
Man.

1253
01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:32.079
And if I say that and I maintain myself as

1254
01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:34.920
somebody that they respect, the opinion of these kids have

1255
01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:37.399
come around. Most of them have come around. They're like, yeah,

1256
01:09:37.439 --> 01:09:39.600
I don't really listen to that guy anymore. Man, he

1257
01:09:39.640 --> 01:09:42.880
doesn't really like women. Because the kids will say, oh,

1258
01:09:43.199 --> 01:09:46.439
women just want your money, women just want that. And

1259
01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:48.520
the question I asked them, I don't know, that's not true,

1260
01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:51.720
that's dumb, that's misogynist because that doesn't work. What I

1261
01:09:51.720 --> 01:09:56.520
say is, really, what about your sister? Is she like that?

1262
01:09:57.359 --> 01:10:00.159
They're like, well, no, not my sister. Well, okay, do

1263
01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:02.520
you know anybody like, do you know anybody who's actually

1264
01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:05.279
like that? Can you think of anyone? Pon your mom?

1265
01:10:05.359 --> 01:10:07.560
You think your mom's only with the dad for the money.

1266
01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:11.880
I've seen your audi, Dude, it's not, it's not. We're

1267
01:10:11.920 --> 01:10:18.359
in a relationship kind of car brother. And you just say, yeah,

1268
01:10:18.439 --> 01:10:21.000
you just if you just point out enough of the flaws,

1269
01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:25.439
particularly with young people, they're gonna come around. I think

1270
01:10:26.079 --> 01:10:28.720
you know, Michael Jackson, You say that the children are

1271
01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:35.479
our future. Yeah, Like, I think Gen Alpha and younger

1272
01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:39.479
Gen Z are gonna be just fine. They're just fairal enough.

1273
01:10:39.560 --> 01:10:43.399
They are questioning everything, they're pushing back against authority. I

1274
01:10:43.439 --> 01:10:46.199
think they're gonna be okay. I think my you know,

1275
01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:49.199
I'm the end of Gen X and my wife is

1276
01:10:49.199 --> 01:10:51.960
a millennial. I think we're fucked. Like we've just got

1277
01:10:51.960 --> 01:10:54.920
to deal with the ship sandwich that we were served

1278
01:10:54.960 --> 01:10:58.000
and that we continued to serve others. But after us,

1279
01:10:58.039 --> 01:10:59.119
I think it's gonna be okay.

1280
01:11:00.600 --> 01:11:03.000
Well, speaking as a boomer, I have like, no hope

1281
01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:04.119
like that, but I'm glad.

1282
01:11:03.920 --> 01:11:07.199
That you know you're barely older than me.

1283
01:11:07.760 --> 01:11:10.560
No I am. I'm much older than you. Oh yeah,

1284
01:11:10.840 --> 01:11:11.760
oh yeah, for sure.

1285
01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:14.560
I wouldn't have put you older than fifty one. And

1286
01:11:14.600 --> 01:11:15.960
I'm not trying to blow smoke eyes.

1287
01:11:16.239 --> 01:11:19.760
Yeah, I had eleven years to that, no kidding, no kidding. Yeah.

1288
01:11:20.039 --> 01:11:21.840
I just so one of your workout videos the other day.

1289
01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:24.479
So you're moving pretty damn good for sixty two.

1290
01:11:25.399 --> 01:11:27.760
Uh yeah, I've gotten back to it. Yeah, for sure.

1291
01:11:27.800 --> 01:11:31.039
I had, like, there's a lot of stuff I'm doing

1292
01:11:31.079 --> 01:11:33.920
now that I wasn't doing back in the powerlifting days.

1293
01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:35.880
I didn't start powerlifting until I was over forty, which

1294
01:11:36.279 --> 01:11:39.399
I don't start five. Yeah, I don't necessarily recommend waiting

1295
01:11:39.439 --> 01:11:40.039
that long.

1296
01:11:39.880 --> 01:11:42.760
But I wouldn't have recurred to me.

1297
01:11:44.359 --> 01:11:47.600
I uh, I was just so banged up because I

1298
01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:49.479
was you know, it was the geared era and like

1299
01:11:49.640 --> 01:11:52.199
you were just like your your nervous system and then

1300
01:11:52.239 --> 01:11:56.399
your nerves in particular, like I had shoulder issues. I

1301
01:11:56.439 --> 01:12:00.279
had you know, I had anstring issues. I had one

1302
01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:03.640
thing or another. FORUM tend to night is like I

1303
01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:06.920
can't even begin to tell you. From shirted benching. It

1304
01:12:07.000 --> 01:12:09.920
was just a nightmare. The time under tension is awful.

1305
01:12:10.199 --> 01:12:11.840
It's awful. People don't understand.

1306
01:12:12.319 --> 01:12:15.960
I certainly don't. I've never used I've never competed geared

1307
01:12:16.039 --> 01:12:17.640
like that. I just I don't think I could.

1308
01:12:18.039 --> 01:12:20.439
It was it was bad. I was never comfortable in

1309
01:12:20.479 --> 01:12:22.920
a shirt at all. And I never really got that

1310
01:12:22.960 --> 01:12:24.720
big a bench press out of it. Either a team

1311
01:12:24.960 --> 01:12:28.520
like four fifty something that was the best that I

1312
01:12:28.520 --> 01:12:31.680
could do, and that had to be fairly loose so

1313
01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:35.279
that I could touch. But I you know, I wasn't

1314
01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:37.840
doing like heavy dumbbell work because it hurts too much,

1315
01:12:38.399 --> 01:12:40.960
and I'm finally at the point where things don't hurt.

1316
01:12:41.039 --> 01:12:44.199
And you know that video that you're talking about. We

1317
01:12:44.399 --> 01:12:50.039
have three PT professionals in the in our gym as members,

1318
01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:54.000
and one of them in particular has been working with me.

1319
01:12:54.279 --> 01:12:56.800
He works primarily online, so I felt, like, you know,

1320
01:12:57.479 --> 01:13:00.079
shouting him out was a good thing to do. But he,

1321
01:13:00.279 --> 01:13:03.479
like literally has done the best job of anybody that

1322
01:13:03.560 --> 01:13:05.720
I've dealt with in the PT world. And I've dealt

1323
01:13:05.760 --> 01:13:07.680
with some people that were pretty good, and I don't

1324
01:13:07.680 --> 01:13:12.199
know if maybe my problems were not as complicated this

1325
01:13:12.399 --> 01:13:15.199
time as they had been in the past, but it just,

1326
01:13:15.720 --> 01:13:18.640
I don't know, it has gotten better and it's getting

1327
01:13:18.680 --> 01:13:26.319
better over time, and I'm I'm pleased with that. I

1328
01:13:26.319 --> 01:13:29.760
had another point, but I've lost it and that that

1329
01:13:29.399 --> 01:13:32.199
that just means that I have to have you back

1330
01:13:32.199 --> 01:13:35.000
again and we'll talk some more because I've enjoyed this

1331
01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:39.279
is a great deal. So if people are so moved

1332
01:13:39.279 --> 01:13:41.079
to find you, and I think they should be, where

1333
01:13:41.119 --> 01:13:41.960
should they do that?

1334
01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:45.359
You can find me on basically any platform by searching

1335
01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:49.319
pure bull fit. I know it sounds like something else.

1336
01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:53.520
It's like, how did you come upon that that's.

1337
01:13:53.319 --> 01:13:56.720
The dude frustration. I kept like looking for something that

1338
01:13:56.800 --> 01:13:59.239
wasn't taken, and I started off with one Fit Wonder

1339
01:13:59.399 --> 01:14:02.159
and like a bunch of other stuff, and I was like,

1340
01:14:02.199 --> 01:14:04.479
this is bullshit. And then I went huh and I

1341
01:14:04.520 --> 01:14:06.039
wrote pure bullfit.

1342
01:14:05.680 --> 01:14:05.880
And it.

1343
01:14:08.039 --> 01:14:11.000
And and what by it? I meant, I've started everything

1344
01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:14.399
with a Gmail address. It based everything off of a

1345
01:14:14.399 --> 01:14:17.920
Gmail address, and that wasn't taken. And so I started,

1346
01:14:18.159 --> 01:14:20.640
you know, I developed started this whole thing about calling

1347
01:14:20.680 --> 01:14:22.800
out the bovine fecal matter and the fitness industry, the

1348
01:14:22.840 --> 01:14:27.359
bullfit if you will, And then you know, I just

1349
01:14:27.760 --> 01:14:31.359
now it's too late to change it. It's it's it's

1350
01:14:31.359 --> 01:14:33.520
too late, it's been it's been too long. I think

1351
01:14:33.560 --> 01:14:34.199
it's due feat.

1352
01:14:34.840 --> 01:14:36.880
It's ingrained. Now it's painted on the side of the

1353
01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:39.560
building and you won't come off. Uh yeah, Actually, I

1354
01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:41.039
do remember. One of the things that I was that

1355
01:14:41.079 --> 01:14:42.520
I was going to throw out there because we're talking

1356
01:14:42.520 --> 01:14:46.000
about some hypocrisy in the in the fitness industry, is

1357
01:14:46.039 --> 01:14:48.000
the number of people in the industry who are calling

1358
01:14:48.119 --> 01:14:51.079
her like demonizing seed oils, but at the same time

1359
01:14:51.119 --> 01:14:55.239
they're on TRT, which is based in seed oils. That's

1360
01:14:55.239 --> 01:14:59.439
how they that's how they they formulate the testosterone. It's

1361
01:14:59.760 --> 01:15:03.199
great seed oil or cottonseed oil. It's seed oil, and

1362
01:15:03.239 --> 01:15:05.600
you're ingesting it in your body. And could that possibly

1363
01:15:06.119 --> 01:15:10.079
be any more direct into your into your system other

1364
01:15:10.159 --> 01:15:12.319
than just like eating it and having things destroyed in

1365
01:15:12.319 --> 01:15:14.520
your in your in your gas rejuices.

1366
01:15:14.560 --> 01:15:18.000
I mean, like what anyway I find they don't care

1367
01:15:18.119 --> 01:15:19.840
at the end of the day, any of them, any

1368
01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:22.039
topic we pick. They don't really care what the truth is.

1369
01:15:22.119 --> 01:15:28.079
They care what they can say. They're like, they are

1370
01:15:28.319 --> 01:15:31.880
like a narcissist in a relationship. Their goal isn't to

1371
01:15:31.920 --> 01:15:34.720
convince you that you're wrong. Their goal is to introduce

1372
01:15:34.840 --> 01:15:37.399
enough doubt that you have to at least ask yourself

1373
01:15:37.439 --> 01:15:40.760
if you are and then they can proceed forward as

1374
01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:43.920
if they are correct and you are wrong. And because

1375
01:15:43.960 --> 01:15:46.319
you have that doubt, because you have that question, that

1376
01:15:46.439 --> 01:15:49.079
keeps you enough on your heels so they can continue

1377
01:15:49.079 --> 01:15:51.520
to control you or in the instance of the fitness industry,

1378
01:15:51.520 --> 01:15:54.600
and they can continue to line their pockets because you're

1379
01:15:54.640 --> 01:15:58.279
willing to try anything. Yeah, because you're afraid, because everybody dies,

1380
01:15:58.359 --> 01:15:59.960
And that's a terrible thought. I want to live as

1381
01:16:00.039 --> 01:16:01.960
long as possible, so, but I also want to be

1382
01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:03.840
able to solve all of it in twelve weeks. Oh,

1383
01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:06.000
you have a program for that. It's just nine hundred

1384
01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:09.239
and ninety nine dollars. You know what I'm worth? Nine

1385
01:16:09.279 --> 01:16:12.600
hundred and ninety nine dollars Like that's that's the industry

1386
01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:13.239
in a nutshell.

1387
01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:15.399
Yeah, no, I agree, one hundred percent.

1388
01:16:15.439 --> 01:16:16.119
That was a bad joke.

1389
01:16:16.199 --> 01:16:21.199
I'm sorry, all right. I am at DJ mcdane on

1390
01:16:21.319 --> 01:16:23.199
the social media. This show is fifty percent of facts.

1391
01:16:23.239 --> 01:16:25.199
For percent is a word and fifty is just numbers.

1392
01:16:25.520 --> 01:16:28.079
Fifty percent Facts is a speaker Prime Podcast association with

1393
01:16:28.119 --> 01:16:30.800
IR Media on the Obscure Celebrity Network. And I will

1394
01:16:31.199 --> 01:16:33.600
talk to you next week probably, if not maybe the

1395
01:16:33.640 --> 01:16:34.000
weekend