Sept. 17, 2025

Navigating Parenthood and Performance | Guest: Jonathan Gregg

Navigating Parenthood and Performance | Guest: Jonathan Gregg
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In this conversation, Jim McDonald and Jonathan Gregg explore a variety of themes, including parenting, the dynamics of living in New York City, the journey of performance and acting, mental health, and the impact of social media on personal identity. They discuss the importance of authenticity, the role of anger in society, and the significance of personal growth. The conversation also touches on fitness and the unique experiences of being a stay-at-home dad, as well as the cultural commentary that arises from their respective experiences.

(Experimenting with AI-generated show notes on this one. No idea if it will make any difference in discoverability.)

Jonathan is the only guest who has both been on this show and appeared in the MCU (Jessica Jones). Also, he's the only guest whose whole ass I've actually seen (HBO's High Maintenance, Season 2, Episode 1). He's super cool, and I could have kept talking to him a long time, but I'd already made him run late. You can catch Jonathan and his best friend, Tom on the No Homo Podcast -- Two best friends (one straight and one gay) riff on their daily lives, the insanity of current events, and what it means to be a man – gassing each other up while the world burns. (Jonathan is the straight one.) https://www.youtube.com/@NoHomoPodcastwJonathanandTom

You can find him on Instagram @jgregg_jonathan and @nohomopod.

Takeaways
Learning how to learn is crucial for personal development. 
Anger often masks deeper emotions like sadness or fear.
Parenting involves navigating societal norms and expectations.
Mental health discussions should be normalized and destigmatized.
Improv can teach valuable life skills like adaptability and listening.
Social media can amplify voices but also create pressure for validation.
Authenticity in content creation resonates more with audiences.
Fitness can be a form of personal expression and growth.
Cultural commentary is essential in understanding societal dynamics.
Personal growth often comes from recognizing and addressing one's own flaws.

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All right, well, welcome. I'm here with Jonathan greg who

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is somebody that I became exposed to on Instagram. Honestly,

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I don't spend a lot of time on TikTok and

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so I don't I don't really encounter anybody there unless

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my daughter in law center me tiktoks all the time.

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That's kind of my my big, uh, my big exposure

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to TikTok. But I actually, I mean, I saw a

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video of you talking about I think it was talking

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about parenting at the time, and I didn't really know

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much about you. Uh, you know, look at looking around

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a little bit like who is this guy and and

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why is he on my screen? And uh, I'm I'm

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kind of a fan of Dylan Michael White, who talks

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a lot about about parenting as well as well as

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a lot of other things. And so I'm like, okay,

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well I'll follow this guy. And to my shock, you

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followed me back at some point. And I don't even

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know how that happened or why. I never know exactly

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why people follow me back because my Instagram is not

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that interesting most of the time. But anyway, so welcome

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you are You're in Brooklyn.

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Yeah, Queens. How dare you Queens? No, I mean to

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the rest of the world, that's basically the same place,

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and we share a border, and it's we're both just

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outside of Manhattan. But to a bourbonite, it's definitely Queens

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and not Brooklyn. I'm actually like eighteen feet from Brooklyn.

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But we get very we get very particular about our boroughs.

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But the greater New York area. Yeah, of the of

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the five boroughs, I.

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My family and I spent about almost a month in

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New York City last summer, not this past summer, but

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the summer before, which was a really interesting experience. Like

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you don't really you don't really understand any of the

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dynamics of New York unless she's like, stay more than

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four or five days.

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You know. True, Yeah, it's there's there's a difference between

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It's kind of like the Olympic sports. I mean, it

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really is the difference in a sprint in a marathon.

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If you come for a weekend, you have to gear

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up for it for sure. I mean I tell my

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friends and family, you got to limber up and exercise

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before you come to New York because it's exhausting and

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there's so much walking. But then if you stick around

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for even yeah, even a couple of weeks or more,

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it's a it's a different it's a different game. At

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that point. You really got to learn to strategize the

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city and how the whole thing works, and not just

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the couple of spots you want to hit. You got

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to learn how to how to really survive the long run.

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Yeah, we we were staying near the park like Hell's Kitchen,

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which I expected to be you know, like Daredevil, which

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is not that's not the place anymore, but that we

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were there for the first week and then we moved

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to Harlem for ten days. My my family from my

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son and his family from Canada came down and stayed

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with this and like so we have you know really

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at the time nine and seven. Yeah, oh your old grandsons.

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And that was a that was definitely an experience too.

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It was very i mean, it was an airbnb, very gentrified,

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but but Harlem is still Harlem, right, Yeah, And we

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were not like we're not like blocks from the park

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or anything. We were we were quite a way into Harlem,

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which was a real I mean, it was a good

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cultural experience kind of for everybody.

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Yeah, that Harlem is funny. It's like really, I mean,

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all of New York. It's it's the the like the

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gentrification meeting the culture meeting the you know some there

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are definitely parts of New York. You look at Hell's

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Kitchen impact over the years, and you know, like in

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the past thirty years getting cleaned up is useful. There's

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some things that could be made better, for sure. And

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then also there's you know, then then there's there's undeniably

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rich people getting richer by buying up property and raising

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the rent, and yeah, you know, all of that is true.

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So it's kind of I don't know, that's one of

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the things I enjoy about it is all of those

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things stayed true in New York. There are some gritty,

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grammy places, there's a lot of deep culture and heart,

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and then there's some money to be made. You know,

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like the rich can keep getting richer in some spots.

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And see, you got to fight back like against that

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as much as you can and try to keep the

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heart of New York and try not to get run

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over by anyone, and try not to run over anyone.

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And it's just kind of a lot going on all

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the time.

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Yeah, But you're not originally from New York.

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No, No, I've been here twenty twenty years, now, twenty

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years this I just passed my twenty years. But I

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grew up in North Alabama and so pretty much the

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same kind of.

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Very SIMI yeah, yeah, yeah, just a little accents are

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a little different. Actually, that's kind of that's kind of

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a point. I have a sort of pet theory about

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that because I grew up My parents were born in Oklahoma,

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and they but I was born in California, and they

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never entirely lost their accents. And strangely enough, my sister,

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who is considerably younger, she's like almost eight years younger

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than me, she picked it up. I do not have it,

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never had it, and like I sort of had an

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intention to not have it. But but so, you know,

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the other person that I follow from from Alabama on

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Instagram is Adam Berry, and he's the thickest, thickest accent.

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Did you ever have it? Did you? Did you?

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That's a great question. I think that. So one of

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the things that the main thing that brought me to

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New York twenty years ago was performance, was the dream

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of being an actor, and I think that growing up

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as a kid, Like, you know, I was doing community

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theater from a very young age, and you just can't

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no matter where you are, you can't really do Charles

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Dickens with a Southern accent. So it kind of just

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like worked its way out when I was a kid

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just by doing theater. And then it kind of like

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I think that I have from the acting side and

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just I don't know, there's a kind of an innate

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adaptability I realized about myself when it comes to things

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like vocal you know, it's and psychologically you get into

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let down the road you learn like, oh maybe I'm

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mirroring to make people feel more comfortable or whatever. It's

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it kind of it wasn't on purpose at the time,

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but like the accent, it was one of the things

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that I could that just naturally adjusted to where I was.

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So when I'm home even now still it comes out

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a little bit more. But I really like, kind of

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there used to be a thing, this is a true

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thing that would happen in New York on Saint Patrick's Day,

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Like I would be out and I would not be

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trying to do anything. I would not be trying to

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put on an affectation or anything. But eventually some Irishman

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would start asking me what county I was from, and

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I'd be like, oh, Madison, and he's like what he means,

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like from Ireland. They thought I was a natural born

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Irishman and I'm like, oh, no, I guess I just

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am talking like you now because we're drinking and I'm

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in a bar with everyone, Like, I don't know. It

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was like a kind of a natural thing that happened.

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So I've been asked a lot about my accent and

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what happened to it, and I think that it's just it.

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I carry mostly, I think a pretty neutral accent, and

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I know everyone kind of says that. Everyone kind of

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says like I don't have an accent, and that's just

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hardly true for most people that you know. But like

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when you hear my dad sounds a lot like Adam

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Barry is. My dad is a Southerner, and my mom

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has a pretty Southern accent to my brother is in

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Kansas City. He has a pretty solid accent that you

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can hear, and I when I'm with them, it comes

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back out. And when I'm in New York, you know,

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my my wife is in Connecticut, kind of a neutral

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if anything Northeastern accent there maybe comes out a little bit.

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It's just I just kind of like match the match

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the tone, and I instinctively kind of match the tone

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and the accent of whatever whatever I'm doing at the time.

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I have this theory that it's genetic that some people

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just some people develop accents and other people can do

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any accent, but their their their speech is relatively neutral, flat,

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you know, newscaster kind of voice.

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Yeah, what is it the the mid Atlantic? Is that

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that's the made up accent, not actually a region, but

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that's what they call it.

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Yeah, right in the middle of the water. Sounds like

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like you're from from nowhere, but you've recently gone through

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a Shakespeare intensive. So so you said you started acting

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like very early, Like how early?

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Well, I was doing stuff like I remember when I

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was in preschool, I did a church production of the

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Best Christmas Pageant Ever and kind of stuff like that,

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like a church but that was like a little taste

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of being in front of an audience, you know, even

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little things like the church choir and we do like

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the Little Summer Children's Musical. And then when I was well,

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let's see, I think my big break when I was

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in kindergarten. I was Owl in our kindergarten production of

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Windy the Pooh, and so that that, yeah, it was.

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It was a blast.

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I met with that ere your would be like such

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a downer at that.

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I don't remember who. I want to say, my friend

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lazy ask you?

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Was you?

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Or I won't be making that up, but I think

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it was lazy to ask you. And I actually think

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she was really funny because it was such a downer.

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It was like a funny way to go about doing it,

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you know. And I don't know if she was trying

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to be that funny or if it was just I

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don't know, but it was I remember being very funny.

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That was kind of my introduction to what it meant

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to be like on stage with a script and a

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director and a you know, blocking. And it was, of

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course kindergarten, so it's barely any of those things, but

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it was a little taste to a five year old brain.

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It was a little taste of all those things. And

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then when I was in the summer before third grade,

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my mom took us to see a community theater production

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of Oliver and I loved it. I loved it. And

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then I realized that, like or she explained to me

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that all of those kids were from town. They were

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from they were they were just from here, and they

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just auditioned. That this was a very accessible thing to

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get involved with. And so I said, oh, can I

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want to do this? Can I audition first and one

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of the kind of do this thing? And she said sure.

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So that that winter, that December and whatever November, I guess,

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I auditioned for a Christmas Carol, which was an annual

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thing in our community theater at a hometown and I

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booked it. I booked the smallest role in the show.

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I was like the little rich boy. There was one

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rich boy. There was like a urchins that ran around

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throughout the whole show, just being little poor kids, and

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I was not one of them. I was there, the

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one single rich boy who had half as many scenes

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as the urchins, did very little, but got to experience

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what that was like to be a part of a

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full production. And at that point I was I was hooked.

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And so from that point on I did I mean,

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or five years of Christmas Carol in a row, and

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then again in high school later and then during the

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like in between that I was auditioning for. It kind

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of became my Like I played some sports. I played

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baseball and soccer as I could. I was, yeah, athletic

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enough to see, you know, to be a boy. But

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really my thing became doing the community theater shows, either

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the musicals or the children's plays or anything I could

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get my hands on, and so I was always doing

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community productions. I just found like the whole process was

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so cool. As a kid, it was so magical to

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like just go hang out with a bunch of adults

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in like a kind of grimy community space and like

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put together this thing and like it. You know, it

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like smells dusty, and we're here super late, but we're

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making a thing that eventually people are going to come see.

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on it. And so really since then, it's just kind

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of it just stuck. Even I always thought like, this

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is a great thing to do. It's a great past time,

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it's a great passion. I'll figure out what I want

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to do with my life later. I'll do something responsible

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and real when it comes time to get a job.

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Then I went to a high school that was a

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magnet school that focused on performance. And then I went

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to college and ended up getting a degree in musical theater,

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and so I really just gave myself no other outs.

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I got.

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All I could do at that point was moved to

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New York and try to make it so then you know,

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now I've been here for twenty years and I still

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don't have a Broadway credit, but I have some followers

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on Instagram and TikTok, and I get to make videos

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and that's its own fun thing. I get to be

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on podcasts, so I love it.

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did some theater in high school. Actually it was sort

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of like maybe I think maybe twelve shows between the

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two schools that I went to nice, which is kind

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of a lot in high school, and it it sort

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of deluded my academic focus, say, late night rehearsal stuff,

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you know, and whatever, it's homework.

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I understand why. I understand why we tell kids it

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looks school is important. Learning is important, learning how to

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learn is important, but also like learning to be a

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person is just as important. Finding a thing that you

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like and learning how to like. Don't fail out of

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high school. High school diploma matters, being able to learn,

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being able to finish high school matters, But like, I

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don't know, I was kind of the same way. I mean,

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my grades didn't drop too but I was kind of

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a nerd so they were okay, but they definitely took

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a hit once I got to high school. That was

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like all performance all the time. My school did it.

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I was doing community stuff, I was trying to do

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professional stuff. It was like, you know, and I don't know.

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At the end of the day, I'm in my mid

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forties now, and I think that understanding people and understanding

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how to navigate situations is as important as you know, biology.

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Although I will say I do think that learning how

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to learn and respecting knowledge is an important thing. We're

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in a weird time of I don't ever want to

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sound like learning is an important because I feel like

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we're in a weird time of anti anti knowledge, anti intellect. Yeah.

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Be on record saying no, learning is important. School is important.

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It's kind of it's kind of a scary. It's kind

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of a scary time in that way because where it's

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kind of in a time when the facts don't seem

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to matter or or the facts are always questioned, and yeah,

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like if you you know, like where's the bottom line,

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where's where's where's the rock solid that you can depend

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on an environment where.

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It's very unmooring. It's very tricky, it's very I don't know,

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it's it's I think that sometime down the road, who knows,

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who knows, but sometimes other knowa to think people are

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going to look at this time and be like, there

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is there was psychological trauma happening that no one was

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even able to clock that much because there's no constant

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truth right now. I mean it feels like there is.

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It feels like there should be, but we are not

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agreeing on it and that feels crazy.

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Yeah, no, it's it's yeah. Unmooring is a really good

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way of stating that. Did you ever find that you

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were like othered by people because your your interest was theater?

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Yeah, one hundred percent, Yes, big time. I uh And

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you know, to whatever degree that was other people are

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doing that and and whatever degree that was me feeling

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that way, But yes, absolutely I felt most at home

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in those theater settings, in those rehearsal spaces and on

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stage and I also grew up in the South in

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the eighties and nineties, and I wanted to be a

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boy in the South in the eighties and nineties. I,

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like I said, I played sports. I wasn't great, but

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I was fine. Like I was a not a consistent

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all star in the rec leagues, but I was not

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I was not embarrassingly bad, but I wanted to do

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that stuff. And there was there like there was a

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time I I mentioned this on uh my podcast recently,

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so I hated to repeat myself. So if you've heard

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this before, jan But I was forget what year I

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was fourth or fifth grade, and I was maybe even

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old than that, I don't remember whatever. I was going

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into the summer and I was playing baseball. I had

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signed up to play baseball and our little rec league,

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and I also was It turns out I was going

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to have to quit baseball because I'd signed up for

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a ballet class because I had done a show that spring,

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the twelve Dancing Princesses, And I realized, like, oh, if

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I want to keep doing this and I want to

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grow and in the performance world, I need to I

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need to better my skills. I I'm not a dancer

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at all, and I'm, you know, a little boy, and

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I want to be better at these things. So I'd

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spent you know, weeks in this show with these dancers,

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these grown men and these women that were dancers and

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other younger men who were dancing. I was like, this

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is so cool, Like this is what I want. And

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then I signed up for this dance class and then

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was going to have to quit baseball, and the guys

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at school, like word got out that I was going

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to not be playing baseball because I was taking a

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ballet class, and that was like horrible. That was that

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was that was a miserable place to be for me

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for a moment, and I, frankly just this is its

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own thing that I've carried with me forever. I just lied,

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and I just told those guys, I said, that's not true.

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And I don't know where someone's making that up about me.

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Someone is lying about me and making that of course

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I'm playing baseball, I'm not taking a dance class. And

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I went home and said, Mom, you got to cancel

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the dance class. I can't do it. So I did

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not take a dance class and did not start down

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my journey of becoming a trouble threat and showed up

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to New York as a double threat at best. And

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here I am, and I'm not playing baseball either.

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So the high school I went to was kind of

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strange in some ways. We nur's in my class had

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a sort of informal reunion a few weeks ago, and

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some of us were talking about the fact that it

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was this rural farm town kind of kind of kind

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of school for grade school, high school kind of the

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same thing, a little bit closer to town, but not

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not all that. And it was pretty diverse, honestly, Like,

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we didn't have a lot of black kids. The one

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I was the guy who one of the guys who

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set the thing up, It's like, yeah, I was the

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only black kids. I was like, no, I think there

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were like three or four more.

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It's like yeah, yeah.

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But other than that, it was it was. It was

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pretty diverse and pretty accepting, and we got a really

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good education for what it was, and I was I

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was surprised by that. But in high school, the English

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teachers decided that they would give extra credit to anybody

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who would attend to play that was put on at

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the school or just anywhere, right and so it created

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this like you know, social tier of theater kids. Like,

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you know, they weren't the jocks, we were not the

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you know, the the student government types or whatever. But

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like we were recognizable in that band. And I don't

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think I really realized that until that class had a

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ten year reunion and there were people talking to me

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that I had never had a conversation with him in

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high school. Never, no, no, no, no connection, Like we

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never said hello in them in the in the hallways

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and having conversations because they remembered me doing you know,

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whatever I did.

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Yeah, well that's because you were the Yeah you don't.

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You don't know them. You're the star, you're the you're

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the the headliner up there, and they're they're the ones

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watching you, right Like that's you're not supposed to know them.

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They're supposed to remember you as the what shows did

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you do? What were they were they remembering you from?

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Uh, probably the biggest one that they would remember was our.

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Town nice all right, Yeah I was.

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I was the drunk organist in our town. And actually

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we saw our time on Broadway last year. Actually maybe

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it's early this year. It's early this year, and uh,

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South that they're the first two acts and like knew

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every line. Still it's just really weird. And then the

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third act came up, and there was so little of

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bit that I remember, Like I was actually like in

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that act, I was on stage the entire time, and

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I don't remember any of the lines from it, well

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not most of them. I guess. Probably the line that

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I remember the best was do any people ever remember

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or ever ever realize life while they're living it? And

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the answer is a lot, you know, we never do.

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So and then and then then after after high school,

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it's like, I, you know, you would have to audition

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if you were going to be involved in a college

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thing or whatever, And I said, I hated I hated

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I hated cold reading, I hated auditions. I hated all

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that stuff. And then a few years ago, i pre pandemic,

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I did some some improv and really liked that a lot.

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Yeah that's fine, man, I feel like improv is such

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a good thing. I spent years doing some, doing a

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show here in New York called Batsu, which is like

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whose Lying kind of kind of show. It's a short,

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short game improv show mixed with a Japanese game show.

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So it's like if you're if you're funny, you win points.

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If you're not funny, horrible things happened to you. So

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it's a great time for the audience, it's hit or miss.

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As a performer, it's gonna be great or awful. But

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for me, that would that the reason I love that

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show some one of the reasons I love that show

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so much is it just kind of heightens the stakes

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of what people think about with improv anyway, which is

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like it's it hits so many people get the chance

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to like really face a fear, which is like what

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happens if I make a mistake in front of a

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lot of people and it turns out not much, it

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turns out it's okay, you know, Like it's a huge fear,

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and it's an understandable huge fear. If I make a

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fool of myself, if I make a mistake, if I

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look like I don't know what I'm doing, if I

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do something wrong in front of a whole group of people,

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what's the worst it's going to happen. Well, for me,

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it was I might get shot with a paintball gun.

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But for people just experiencing improv, it's not much you know,

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like you end up, you don't get a laugh, or

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you get a laugh at something you didn't realize was

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funny and turns out you're okay. I think people, especially

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non performers just the in the world, can take a

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lot from that I was in and it kind of

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helped not teach kind of moderate. I helped out with

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some improv classes that were targeted for non performers, and

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it was really just that as like just a way

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to get more comfortable in the workspace, get more comfortable

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if you have to present, if you have to pitch,

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if you just have to talk to people, like learning

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how to listen, learning how to agree and heighten, and

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also learning that like when you mess up, probably not

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a huge deal, Like that's an okay place to be. Yeah.

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I think that with the improv and and actually in

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scripted stuff too. My biggest fears just going up, just

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being able to say anything at all. And the nice

457
00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:22.839
thing about improv is that if you're with a good group,

458
00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:24.480
someone will jump in.

459
00:21:24.680 --> 00:21:27.680
Yeah. Yeah. If you if you feel like you're going

460
00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:30.279
up in improv, that just means someone is not doing

461
00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:32.240
their job and it doesn't have to be you. Yeah,

462
00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:35.960
somebody somebody's gonna come in. It's just like it's ideally

463
00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:38.960
my buddy Chris Alvarado in LA and I'm just just

464
00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:40.839
because I want to name drop him, because he's a

465
00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:46.119
realiant improvised improvised improvisation teacher. He always talks about like

466
00:21:46.799 --> 00:21:49.200
they're sure there's improv for the sake of being funny.

467
00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:51.440
There's trying to build jokes, there's trying to make these

468
00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:54.079
things up their funny situations. But but really even the

469
00:21:54.119 --> 00:21:59.359
funniest times come from just listening and just responding naturally.

470
00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:01.839
Just like you know, even right now here, I know

471
00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:04.839
we're we're on air and dead eras is bad, but

472
00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:06.599
like if we don't talk for a second, it's probably okay.

473
00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:08.039
We'll figure out what to say next. Like we don't

474
00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:10.640
have to figure out what the punchline is. It just

475
00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:13.599
just just having a conversation and when if it's a

476
00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:16.960
if it's a kind of a low, a low that

477
00:22:17.079 --> 00:22:19.079
the scenes ends up being kind of low stakes, that's

478
00:22:19.119 --> 00:22:20.960
no problem. Then you work on hiding the stakes. You

479
00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:22.680
don't have to worry about like how do I get

480
00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:23.880
a funny punchline in here?

481
00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:24.039
Now?

482
00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:26.720
How do I how do I make this work? Right

483
00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:30.839
now you can probably just like the more fun comes

484
00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:33.240
from just like chilling out and seeing what happens.

485
00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:36.680
Yeah, Like the UCB philosophy is like, don't try to

486
00:22:36.680 --> 00:22:40.839
be funny, Yeah yeah, exactly, Yeah, just try to try

487
00:22:40.839 --> 00:22:43.559
to make a real character that does crazy.

488
00:22:43.240 --> 00:22:46.160
Things ultimately, and like some of those like you look

489
00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:49.920
at UCB is so funny to me because it clearly

490
00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:54.119
it it was created by and produced some of the

491
00:22:54.160 --> 00:23:00.240
most brilliant comedic minds in our entertainment history. But it

492
00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:03.759
also kind of became this like template for everyone was like, oh,

493
00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:05.480
what you do is you go to UCP, you go

494
00:23:05.559 --> 00:23:08.200
through the tracks, you graduate, you get an SNL audition,

495
00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:10.480
you know, like you book. As you become a writer,

496
00:23:10.559 --> 00:23:12.880
you go to the writer's room. There's a track for it.

497
00:23:13.279 --> 00:23:14.839
And it's to me, it's one of the most clear

498
00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:17.359
examples of like, it's not the track that get you there,

499
00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:19.880
it's the talent those people that's that were doing that

500
00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:21.559
to start with, and the people that built that and

501
00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:24.079
the people that came through there. It wasn't because they

502
00:23:24.079 --> 00:23:27.519
did this track. It's because they themselves were brilliant and

503
00:23:27.559 --> 00:23:30.319
were interested in creating fully fleshed out characters. That then

504
00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:34.720
found themselves in whatever wacky situations, not just like I'm

505
00:23:34.720 --> 00:23:36.559
gonna make a far joke or I'm going to like

506
00:23:36.920 --> 00:23:38.160
just try to find a way to make a joke

507
00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:41.039
at someone's expense. Like I'm going to be a fully

508
00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:44.440
realized character in what turns out to be an insane situation,

509
00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:45.920
which is hilarious.

510
00:23:46.400 --> 00:23:49.880
Yeah. The other thing that I really loved about it

511
00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:54.160
was before we walk out on stage, everyone does pets

512
00:23:54.359 --> 00:23:56.799
everybody else on the back and says catch back, and

513
00:23:57.519 --> 00:24:00.480
you like, how can you feel in that in that environment? Right?

514
00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:03.680
Yeah, that's great. I'm glad that you got that experience

515
00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:06.160
and the guy that you felt good about it because

516
00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:09.359
it is there's so much room there for you know whatever.

517
00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:11.920
But like not to sound too cheesy, but they're like

518
00:24:12.079 --> 00:24:13.759
for personal growth and for that team more kind of

519
00:24:13.799 --> 00:24:16.440
mentality and for feeling good about yourself on stage. And

520
00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:19.119
you know, I think as a professional performer. One of

521
00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:21.319
the things I had to get over took a couple

522
00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:23.680
of layers, and I had to get over the jadedness

523
00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:26.240
of being like, man, everyone including myself, everyone is just

524
00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:27.799
here for the next thing. I'm only looking for the

525
00:24:27.880 --> 00:24:29.640
I'm looking for the next bigger gig. I'm using this

526
00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:31.359
as a as a wrong on a ladder to get

527
00:24:31.400 --> 00:24:33.359
to the next thing. And all of it became more

528
00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:36.880
enjoyable when I admitted maybe I'm not going to be famous,

529
00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:38.319
and maybe it's not going to be like a thing

530
00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:40.279
I do full time all the time. Maybe I just

531
00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:42.480
enjoy it when it happens. Maybe I have fun doing it.

532
00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:43.920
And that's been much more enjoyable.

533
00:24:50.759 --> 00:24:53.640
Do you feel like it setting you up for the

534
00:24:54.119 --> 00:25:00.680
social media kind of virality that, yeah, how did that happened? Exactly?

535
00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:03.480
Because I came in later, so I don't already somebody

536
00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:03.799
at that.

537
00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:08.000
Point, Oh thanks, I don't know. It's been such a

538
00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:09.839
it's it's been a few years now, but also still

539
00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:12.279
so new, especially like in stages of life. It came

540
00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:15.279
late enough that it's still very strange to me. It's

541
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:17.359
very like I don't really always know what to do

542
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:19.920
with it, and I try to mainly have fun with it,

543
00:25:20.200 --> 00:25:21.799
and then the world goes on, the world gets set

544
00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:23.319
on fire again, and you got I feel like, well,

545
00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:24.799
maybe I have to use my voice for something, and

546
00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:27.880
I never you know, it's always a jumble of what

547
00:25:27.920 --> 00:25:29.319
do I do with it? But the way that it

548
00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:37.079
started frankly in the fall of twenty two. I guess

549
00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:41.880
three years ago. I think, yeah, acting was really slow.

550
00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:44.680
We'd come out of COVID. It was the strikes, so

551
00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:46.480
maybe it's twenty three. Whatever year that was, I don't

552
00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:50.200
even remember it, the Writers and Actors strike. We had

553
00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:52.920
made it through the summer, we were still striking. I

554
00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:55.279
had gotten a job. I hadn't had work. I'd gotten

555
00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:57.920
a job with my brother in laws company, which I'm

556
00:25:57.920 --> 00:26:00.440
still doing, which I love the work. And I was good,

557
00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:01.680
and I was like, you know, I'm gonna step back

558
00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:03.279
from performing a little bit, like I don't need to

559
00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:06.920
try to The audition grind is not fun for me.

560
00:26:07.519 --> 00:26:10.160
I've got kids, Like, I'm not making money doing it.

561
00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:12.880
It's just it's just a stress and I'm getting the

562
00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:15.400
getting told no all the time is like not as

563
00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:17.680
good on my sense of self as maybe it once

564
00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:19.200
was when I felt like I had thicker skin and

565
00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:21.480
could just like grind out auditions all the time, be

566
00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:23.039
told no all the time and have it not affected me.

567
00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:24.200
And I was like, I'm not. I just don't. It

568
00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:27.039
doesn't feel fun anymore. So I said, like I fully

569
00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:30.839
felt in like inside I was like, Okay, I'm okay

570
00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:33.400
stepping back a little bit. I'm gonna I won't call

571
00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:35.920
it her retirement because who cares. I haven't done enough

572
00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:37.640
to call it her retirement, but I'm gonna like step

573
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:41.319
back a little bit, and like I'm not kidding. I

574
00:26:42.279 --> 00:26:44.440
felt like at peace with that. I talked to my

575
00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:46.720
therapist about it. I was like at peace about it.

576
00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:49.880
And also throughout this time, I had been I you know,

577
00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:52.720
I was trying to make a presence on social media

578
00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:56.200
works as an actor. There really is like an expectation

579
00:26:56.319 --> 00:26:58.599
of having a following if you're gonna at a certain

580
00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:01.319
level of performance, like TV gigs, I'd go in for it,

581
00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:03.720
and there were like actual commercials and actual gigs I

582
00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:05.799
was in for that you would have to have a

583
00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:07.839
base of one hundred thousand followers to even get in

584
00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:10.039
the door, you know, or whatever. So it's like it

585
00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:11.799
became this other thing that was like, Okay, I guess

586
00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:13.559
I'm supposed to figure this out. I guess I'm supposed

587
00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:16.160
to try to make a thing work. So I would, like,

588
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:18.759
you know, I would post like everyone post, but I

589
00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:21.319
would also post bits and post things that I was

590
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:22.599
trying to you know, trying to make a thing happen

591
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:24.559
or whatever, and then fast forward back to this point

592
00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:26.799
where I've decided I can, I can step back. I can.

593
00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:28.759
I'm not going to perform as much, and I put

594
00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:31.519
out a real that, honestly, for the first time in

595
00:27:31.880 --> 00:27:35.359
months or years, was not for a large not for

596
00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:38.319
an intended larger audience. It was for me and my friends.

597
00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:42.400
I thought it was funny, it was about the movies.

598
00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:44.680
But I was coming in coming off a weekend with

599
00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:47.039
my mother in law. I had had texted and called

600
00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:49.319
like multiple times to get our Disney Plus passwords so

601
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:52.920
that our kids could watch like Blueie, I think because

602
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:55.440
they were with her for the weekend. And so first

603
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:57.759
of all, I mean, thank you grandmam for having the kids,

604
00:27:57.799 --> 00:27:59.720
and shout out to the Louis for always being great.

605
00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:03.079
But I made a reel that was like, I feel

606
00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:06.359
like we're raising a generation of soft grandparents, because like

607
00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:08.079
when I was a kid, if I wanted to watch

608
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:10.720
TV at my grandmother's house, I had two choices. Well,

609
00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:12.240
the choices was I could lay in bed with her

610
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:14.599
and watch Matt Locker Murder she wrote on TV with her,

611
00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:16.240
or if I wanted to watch a movie. There were

612
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:19.480
two VHS tips. There was Dances with Wolves and Fried

613
00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:24.119
Green Tomatoes like and which basically what those all have

614
00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:26.640
in common is murder like as a small child. It

615
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:29.759
was just so so I kind of put that reel

616
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:31.440
out there and it was funny enough. I liked it,

617
00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:34.440
and I felt I was like, sure, this is funny,

618
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:36.319
and also did not feel like it was for a

619
00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:38.680
large audience. It was for hopefully some people see it

620
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:41.039
and laugh, and hopefully my brother and sisters who know

621
00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:43.799
that that's true, like laugh at it. And I went

622
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:47.319
to bed and woke up and like Kristen Bell had

623
00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:49.400
liked it and someone else famous had shared it, and

624
00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:51.920
I was I had gained ten thousand followers overnight, and

625
00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:55.680
I was like, oh shit, what and then all of

626
00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:59.200
that that I don't know, there's there's You could look

627
00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:00.799
at it from positive health these sides about like I

628
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:02.680
got motivated. You could also look at it from more

629
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:05.079
self aware sides that say I got a little taste

630
00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:07.160
of that external validation again and went, oh yeah, I

631
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:09.279
forget how good that tastes. Let's get some more. And

632
00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:13.279
so I just started posting, and you know it, it

633
00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:16.880
kind of like in the way that momentum works and

634
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:20.920
then like the algorithm, the social media algorithms like work,

635
00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:23.440
but gets work more so in that than anything else,

636
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:25.200
I feel like, because it really, it really is like

637
00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:27.759
if you feed the algorithm, it will give you more.

638
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:30.559
And so I was, you know, I had a bunch

639
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:32.400
of bits. So I did some stand up at the time,

640
00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:34.319
and so I had like funny kind of stuff that

641
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:36.000
I thought was kind of funny and it had never

642
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:38.759
been seen by a large audience. So I started putting

643
00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:42.880
out more videos, just put them out and then guy,

644
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:46.079
I got some more followers, and to be honest, I

645
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:47.680
kind of it was fun and I wasn't really sure

646
00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:48.960
what to do with it. I got some like you know,

647
00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:52.319
little like clothing sponsorships and some brand ambassadorships that I

648
00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:53.920
enjoyed and stuff, and that was that was cool. It

649
00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:55.400
wasn't like I was making a lot of money or anything.

650
00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:56.880
But I got some free stuff and made a little

651
00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:58.440
cash and got to put videos out there, and I

652
00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:01.160
got some feel valid for the things that I thought

653
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:04.960
was funny and the perspective that I saw. And then,

654
00:30:05.240 --> 00:30:07.759
to be totally honest, then the election happened and I

655
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:09.960
was kind of heartbroken by this society as a whole,

656
00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:12.039
with the way that this past presidential election went, and

657
00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:14.279
I just I made some very honest videos about that,

658
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:17.759
and it then shot up again, and so then I

659
00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:20.000
kind of like, yeah, I don't know, hit the point

660
00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:23.920
where I am now, which I feel like it's nice

661
00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:26.720
to hear someone talk about it. Like from from my perspective,

662
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:28.359
it's like very easy for me to look at it

663
00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:31.680
and go, yeah, but one hundred whatever whatever it is,

664
00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:33.759
one hundred and forty thousand followers. I think I dropped again,

665
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:36.960
But whatever, one hundred something thousand followers is fine. But

666
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:39.119
also it's not where the it's not where the big

667
00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:40.920
money is. It's not where the it's not where the

668
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:43.400
stuff happens is. You know, that's way higher up. And

669
00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:46.680
so for me, it still feels kind of like a lark,

670
00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:48.640
an enjoyable lark. And it forged me the chance to

671
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:50.640
meet people like you and to do my own podcast

672
00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:52.960
and to at least put my thoughts out there. And

673
00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:55.079
I kind of feel like, fine, if I'm a middle

674
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:57.960
aged man ranting into the abyss of social media, at

675
00:30:58.039 --> 00:31:00.200
least some people watch mine. I'm not just one of

676
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:02.359
those dudes who have three people who ever pay attention

677
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:04.240
that like it might be the same, I might be

678
00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:07.200
scratching the same bitch as every other just dude in

679
00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:09.720
his basement, ranting into the abyss. But you know, some

680
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:12.039
people pay attention, so I feel like it's it's to

681
00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:12.720
some degree.

682
00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:18.640
Well, well, I definitely paid attention. And I particularly enjoyed

683
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:21.880
the take about your son wanting to paint his his

684
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:25.640
fingernails and you're like being willing to do that and

685
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:27.680
just like normalize this, like hey, don't worry about it.

686
00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:31.359
I don't understand why people still react like that's a

687
00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:34.000
like a weird or bad thing. I don't understand it

688
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:36.720
all because I've known people, for guys for years and

689
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:39.359
years more than decades who did that and it was

690
00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:40.279
not a big deal, Like.

691
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:44.200
Yeah, I don't know, it's part of my whole thing.

692
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:46.079
And I think that's part of why, to be honest,

693
00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:48.960
why I followed you back was I recognize the day

694
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:51.480
you're someone in the industry that you do you know, production,

695
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:52.880
and you do this kind of side of things too,

696
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:55.119
and you like talking about stuff and also like being

697
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:59.400
just a dude, being a man who also isn't so

698
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:02.680
fragile that something like a fashion choice someone else makes

699
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:05.240
is going to set you off, like it's it should

700
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:08.519
not be a big deal. And frankly, I think my

701
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:11.759
Instagram handle might still say it, but my whole brand

702
00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:13.400
is kind of like as i've as I've kind of

703
00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:15.440
crafted what kind of voice I want to have. It's

704
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:20.319
just it's weaponizing the mediocrity of men because if people

705
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:22.200
didn't give a shit, I wouldn't have a platform. If

706
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:25.359
people didn't care that, if people didn't care that men

707
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:27.680
painted their nails sometimes, I wouldn't have a platform if

708
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:31.279
people agreed with me that gender norms are a weakness,

709
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:34.039
that that you know, gender norms are for the week

710
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:36.359
that that's kind of like if people agreed, then no

711
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:38.000
one would be surprised that I do the things that

712
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:40.920
I do. The only reason that I get I mean,

713
00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:42.880
I'm glad that people agree with my perspective. I think

714
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:44.440
the only reason that it really stands out is because

715
00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:48.119
it is unique. But but I agree with you, like

716
00:32:48.160 --> 00:32:51.359
it shouldn't be it should be easy. If you don't

717
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:53.720
want to paint your nails, don't paint your nails. If

718
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:56.720
you think that someone else painting their nails makes them

719
00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:59.279
in some box that you created you're just wrong, Like

720
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:02.039
that's just small, all in weak and so you know,

721
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:06.960
I mean to some degree I have joked before too

722
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:09.880
that like it's it sucks. I set myself up in

723
00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:13.799
a situation to do better when things are worse because

724
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:16.920
it's it is. Then it's like so surprising to see

725
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:19.720
a guy who you know, like we we are of

726
00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:22.000
a type that people don't really trust a lot these days.

727
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:24.400
We have been people we are. We are both of

728
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:27.160
a type and have a look and have a profile

729
00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:32.880
demographic that is been making things harder for people for

730
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:36.319
a while, and it's it's a kind of a bummer

731
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:40.799
to scale. But it's beneficial to me as an individual

732
00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:45.039
that people are surprised that I'm not just a jackass.

733
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:45.880
Yeah.

734
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:48.599
Yeah, I don't even think i'm that. I'm not. I'm

735
00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:51.200
not that smart, I'm not that progressive, I'm not that

736
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:54.440
much of anything. I'm just not so worried about what

737
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:56.200
other people are doing with their bodies and their time.

738
00:33:56.799 --> 00:33:59.480
Yeah, well you're I mean the reason it works is

739
00:33:59.519 --> 00:33:59.960
that you're author.

740
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:03.799
Thank you. That's that's one thing I try. I try

741
00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:06.039
very hard to be. I do think that like that

742
00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:09.079
performance background helps kind of like craft story. I can.

743
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:10.679
You know, I'm a decent storyteller, and I think I

744
00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:13.760
can put together an arc. But the bottom line is,

745
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:15.840
and I think that's also I will say, I think

746
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:19.639
that's why that first one worked. It Probably you could

747
00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:23.400
see consciously or subconsciously with anything I was doing before,

748
00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:26.239
like the need to be liked, the need to be wanted,

749
00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:28.840
the need to find the thing that worked, and then

750
00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:30.480
when it came down to it, it was like just and

751
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:33.159
it wasn't like I evolved. It's got beat down so

752
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:35.639
far that I couldn't do anything other than just be myself.

753
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:39.760
Yeah. Yeah, I can see that. You talk a fair

754
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:42.360
amount about I touched on this before, about about parenting.

755
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:48.760
You've got younger kids, Yeah, and you're pretty involved in

756
00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:50.039
their day to day.

757
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:52.320
I am, yeah, and that's again kind of part of

758
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:55.719
that is a product of the environment. My wife is

759
00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:59.159
because I was a sometimes in work actor, off and

760
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:01.719
out of work actor. Wife has a steady job and

761
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:04.239
makes more money than I do and has set hours,

762
00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:06.519
and so when we started having kids, I was the

763
00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:10.280
stay at home parent. And like we bought a house,

764
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:12.800
we bought, we bought a house that needed renovation, so

765
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:15.559
I kind of learned to renovate a house. And then

766
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:17.039
it was the stay at home dad.

767
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:18.760
That's really familiar to me.

768
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:22.000
Yeah, yeah, I mean the the YouTube, the YouTube rental

769
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:26.599
life is it's very real. I think it's respectable, you know, man.

770
00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:29.559
So much of what I did was like sort of

771
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:32.880
pre YouTube. Honestly, what did you just do?

772
00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:34.480
You just take swings at it? Did you just figure

773
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:35.440
it out? Did you get books?

774
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:38.519
I got every book and magazine that I could find

775
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:40.800
at home depot that was about whatever I was like,

776
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:43.800
So I learned to like set tile and cranie, yeah,

777
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:48.840
baseboards and crap like that. And then like I had,

778
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:53.559
I had a corporate jobs and just like and I

779
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:57.880
worked for a consultancy company for a while whatever, and

780
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:04.440
that kind of ended in ninety eight, and we bought

781
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:07.039
this house in ninety nine. And I have kind of

782
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:09.519
done everything to this house except for like the big

783
00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:12.079
you know, big construction projects.

784
00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:12.679
Yeah.

785
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:16.000
So this has been, you know, going on for twenty

786
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:18.960
six years now, and someday I'm going to be done.

787
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:24.519
Swear to God. Swear to God. I mean, there's a

788
00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:26.880
house that had good bones and we're in just a

789
00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:31.559
phenomenal neighborhood and so like, yeah, I think that. I mean,

790
00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:35.119
our investment has been probably quadrupled.

791
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:37.119
That's great, that's great.

792
00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:38.480
Which is great, but like at the same time, like

793
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:42.239
housing prices shouldn't be what they are. Sure we sort

794
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:46.440
of screwed down the supply and really raise the prices,

795
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:49.239
and then suddenly we have homeless everywhere. I mean, yeah,

796
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:54.119
again benefited from it, but but I get the I

797
00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:56.800
get the issues around it. Yeah, but I there's a

798
00:36:56.800 --> 00:36:59.599
lot of sweat equity here. But yeah, just to kind

799
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:02.199
of letsh out the story, like I was, I was

800
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:04.840
in a corporate job and I was offered a position

801
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:10.480
in in LA but my uh my wife's father was

802
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:15.559
dying of cancer. He had he had terminal kidney cancer.

803
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:17.880
And I was like, we don't really want to move

804
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:20.719
away from from here. This that's you know, it's a

805
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:23.760
six hour drive to LA from from where I am

806
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:26.719
in Sacramento. And I said, I can't. I just can't

807
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:29.440
right now. And they said, okay, well, you know, I'll

808
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:32.639
give you at least a year or so and you'll

809
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:36.480
be fine. And then you know, shortly after that, like

810
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:39.800
like three or four months later, that that was just

811
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:44.960
like forgotten. And so I started working for for that

812
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:46.760
guy in the same company that I used to work

813
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:49.360
for before, and that lasted for a while and then

814
00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:51.960
it ended. And about the like the same time that

815
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:56.559
it ended, our our older son retrospect to what it

816
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:58.599
looked like is he had like a viral meningitis, but

817
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:03.480
it created this this headache, this car chronic daily headache

818
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:05.840
thing that lasted for a good ten years. And so

819
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:08.880
I couldn't figure out how I was going to go

820
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:12.800
back to work and cover that. And my wife had

821
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:17.239
definitely had the ultimately more lucrative job, Like if we

822
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:19.719
moved away, I probably would have had had had the

823
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:23.880
job that paid more, but we didn't, and and so yeah,

824
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:27.440
I ended up being stay at home dad in a way.

825
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:31.119
I was like I did everything that I did everything

826
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:35.639
I could, but I wasn't good at everything. Like our

827
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:38.679
younger son, I could never do the homework thing with him.

828
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:41.519
He just would not concentrate with me, and and and

829
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:43.079
needed mom.

830
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:46.159
And so yeah, there's some of that I don't and

831
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:49.280
I deal with that too, like I did. Let me ask,

832
00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:51.440
I guess one of the things I'm always interested in

833
00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:54.320
in other dads that are stayed at home dads, And

834
00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:56.079
I guess it doesn't matter. But there is kind of

835
00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:58.199
this like it's it's outside the social norm, right, Like

836
00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:00.519
it's there, we are, it is. It is more rare

837
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:01.679
to I have a stay at home dad and have

838
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:04.320
the dad doing more of that stuff. And you know,

839
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:06.920
I have I'm the oldest of four siblings. I babysat

840
00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:09.239
when I was a kid. I feel like I've been

841
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:12.519
around kids. I understand kids well enough, but there there

842
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:14.639
is still and I've you know, and I, like you said,

843
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:17.760
I make reels about parenting and I talk about it plenty,

844
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:20.000
and I'm proud of being I'm proud to be someone

845
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:23.800
who works hard at being a better parent. I also

846
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:27.159
still like get it wrong all the time. Like homework

847
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:29.760
is one of those times where, like my I still

848
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:33.519
it's a daily work. It's daily work for me to

849
00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:36.239
work on my patients with my kids. My son's in

850
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:39.000
first grade, and like just being able to slow down

851
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:40.360
enough and get him to focus and get him to

852
00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:42.840
stay with it. And I start getting frustrated, and you know,

853
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:44.480
homework is one of the ways, but there's still plenty

854
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:47.000
of ways that, like I get frustrated, the stress comes

855
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:48.920
out or I pop off and I get louder than

856
00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:52.400
I mean too, And I don't know, it's like any

857
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:55.440
since you have been through that, and especially like with

858
00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:58.119
a son dealing with something like that as a dad,

859
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:03.159
having to deal with something consistent like that, like what, yeah,

860
00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:06.840
help me? Do you have any advice for for that?

861
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:08.960
I don't know, just I don't know if it's about

862
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:11.280
how to calm down, how it's what it's about to relate.

863
00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:13.239
I don't know what it is. I am open to

864
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:15.880
any advice that helped me in that more consistent time

865
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:16.639
with my kids.

866
00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:21.840
I think that for me, like at the points that

867
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:24.840
it that it failed, I you know, I failed to

868
00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:29.039
get through whatever you know, he was trying to work on.

869
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:34.559
I think I just took it too personally, and I

870
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:37.280
took it because I like, Okay, so you're at home,

871
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:39.480
and so you've got the responsibility to get through this,

872
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:42.079
and then if you can't do it, then that's a failure.

873
00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:47.360
And so you get like there's a shame component, there's yeah,

874
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:51.119
there's a sadness component, there's a you know, a failure

875
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:57.079
component to it. And the only ways that I could

876
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:04.000
overcome it successfully is to think about the problem entirely

877
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:07.760
from the other side. Like how can we how can

878
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:11.119
we make this task be a different thing and still

879
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:15.320
get through it through it? And my my younger son

880
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:24.079
had a sensory processing disorder and he has just terrible

881
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:30.199
dysgraphia and was really really challenged by motor planning as

882
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:32.800
a kid. So it was it was all freighted with

883
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:35.400
that stuff too and figuring out how to how to

884
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:41.280
how to move around that. And I think that the

885
00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:45.679
biggest thing that we learned about that diagnosis was that

886
00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:52.039
you can sort of put things in different baskets, so

887
00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:56.440
like you know, like a safety thing is is an

888
00:41:56.480 --> 00:42:01.760
a basket issue in dealing with the kid, and then

889
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:04.519
they're you know, down at the at the bottom, there's

890
00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:10.159
like a sea basket of things that then if they

891
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:12.119
don't happen, if you don't conviscent to them, is like

892
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:15.239
who cares, Yeah, and just kind of let go of

893
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:17.719
those things as much as possible. And then you probably

894
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:19.159
do that instinctively anyway.

895
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:21.920
But there's some of that, but you're you're totally right,

896
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.719
and the taking it personally thing is is hard for me,

897
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:28.079
but like on on every level, like the obviously kids

898
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:30.719
are gonna are gonna push back. Obviously kids are gonna

899
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:33.599
choose to not listen because they have little, tiny smooth

900
00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:35.719
brains that forgot of what you said, or they're choosing

901
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:37.800
to try something else. Like those things are all gonna happen.

902
00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:41.280
And I that's when one place where I have a

903
00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:44.320
really hard time is I'll get I'll get offended. I'll

904
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:47.679
get I can feel being personally offended by my kids

905
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:50.320
disobeying me. You know, my kids are six and four

906
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:53.119
and a half, like they're that's they're not They're you

907
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:55.239
can hardly call it disobeying at that point, but it

908
00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:59.079
still feels so so deep and offensive, you know, And

909
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:00.960
and I really that is certainly a thing I got

910
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:02.880
to get better at for everyone's sake. I get to

911
00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:05.360
kind of chill out for myself, feel feel not as

912
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:09.159
disrespected and not as challenged and not as you know,

913
00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:13.760
poked and threatened and realized like that's not what's happening

914
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:16.599
here there. It's a child, and there's there's definitely some

915
00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:18.280
things that can go on the sea basket and chill

916
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:19.599
out on. Yeah.

917
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:21.880
They I mean, they're just they're trying to figure out

918
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:24.599
how to express themselves and they don't know like the

919
00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:26.880
rules of appropriateness yet right.

920
00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:29.320
Yeah, and that's it's always so hard for me to think,

921
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:31.639
Like I always I tell myself that, and then in

922
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:33.960
the time, in the moment, it's always hard, like I

923
00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:38.159
accidentally without if I don't think through it. I like,

924
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:41.079
I meet my kids within the context of an adult situation.

925
00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:44.039
They don't have the experience. They don't know if their

926
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:46.119
tone offends me, that they've used that tone three times

927
00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:47.639
in their life. They don't know what tone is. They

928
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:50.159
don't know, you know, like and even if they do,

929
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.039
even if they remember, like, oh, this got a reaction

930
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:53.800
from Dad the last time that I use this tone,

931
00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:56.599
it's still like it's a tiny brain that's brand new

932
00:43:56.639 --> 00:43:59.000
and figuring this stuff out, you know, Like I to

933
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:01.800
to treat that with the gravity of like an adult

934
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:03.559
who spoke to me like that, or an adult who

935
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:07.639
who blatantly disrespected me or something is like a very

936
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:09.639
that's its own thing. I can work on how to

937
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:12.199
not take that personally also, but like that's clearly not

938
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:13.599
what's happening with a small child.

939
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:16.760
We always kind of talk to our kids like they

940
00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:20.199
were adults, but we received their black children, If that

941
00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:20.719
makes sense.

942
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:23.559
Yeah, that's a great way to look at it. And

943
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:25.440
again like that's something I feel like I can easily

944
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:27.360
say and talk about and then doing it in the

945
00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:29.119
moment is a very different thing. But that's a good

946
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:29.599
goal to have.

947
00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:33.719
I like that. But our older son has two boys

948
00:44:33.760 --> 00:44:37.639
as well, and they are eight and ten now, okay,

949
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:42.119
and we spend time with them. I realize that he

950
00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:46.480
has taken our parenting styles. My wife is not exactly

951
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:48.599
the same as mine. He's taken them, fused them together,

952
00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:50.679
and then sort of taking them up a level because

953
00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:54.719
his personality, like it's he doesn't have that investment in

954
00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:58.360
ego at all. I mean, he just doesn't and so

955
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:00.760
he is better with his kids than I was with

956
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:04.679
my kids. And and that makes me happy all the time.

957
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:06.679
Yeah, that's kind of the goal, right, I mean, I

958
00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:08.360
feel like and I feel like there's also a good

959
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:11.760
that that is a that shows well of you too,

960
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:13.239
that says that you did the right thing, gave them

961
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:16.519
the space to not having that ego is a lack

962
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:20.159
of insecurity, which is which is a great way to

963
00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:22.000
I feel like if I could raise a kid, if

964
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:24.760
my kids grow up and as adults, they don't have

965
00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:27.440
a tight hold on ego and they they can be

966
00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:30.199
secure and who they are to some degree, I think

967
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:31.480
you get a little bit of credit for that, for

968
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:34.000
putting them in a situation to be able to feel

969
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:36.519
that way. And and also my wife and I always

970
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:38.920
say like we just want to we want to mess

971
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:40.920
our kids up differently than we were messed up. Like

972
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:43.119
if you if you do it the same, then you

973
00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:45.559
didn't learn anything, you know, like just you're gonna do something.

974
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:48.840
Something's gonna go wrong, You're gonna there's therapists have jobs

975
00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:50.840
for forever. There's always gonna be something to talk about,

976
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:53.360
you know. But but as long as it's something different,

977
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:55.559
that that means we tried and we at least did something.

978
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:58.400
We fixed, We fixed the things that we felt we

979
00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:02.000
might we not even might. Definitely are doing different things

980
00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:03.880
that are that are giving them their own problems. But

981
00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:06.360
if it's not the same problems we have, that's that's

982
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:08.239
the step that we can feel proud of. I guess.

983
00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:13.320
The uncontrollable stuff as a parent, like my both of

984
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:17.719
my boys have been in therapy as adults to deal

985
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:20.199
with those things, things that we're kind of on our hands,

986
00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:24.119
you know, I don't I don't think that that I

987
00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:28.079
haven't heard them blame us for anything, which, you know,

988
00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:30.159
which just feels and it feels good, and then it's

989
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:34.840
just situations outside of our control that that drove them

990
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:37.239
to feel like they needed to talk to somebody about it.

991
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:40.119
And you know, it's I think that's such fair game.

992
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:42.800
And it's also it's another thing that just shouldn't be

993
00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:46.519
afraided at all for men or women or anybody, is

994
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:49.840
to go and and talk to it to someone. I

995
00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:56.320
mean I went weekly for probably three years and then

996
00:46:56.880 --> 00:47:01.880
cut down to monthly, and then my therapist finally said, look,

997
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:03.599
I don't know if we really need to do this

998
00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:06.639
anymore because basically we're just talking about our lives. He's

999
00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:09.239
about my age, and it's like, you know, we're I

1000
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:11.639
don't think I'm offering you any great insight at this point.

1001
00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:13.719
I think you pretty much internalized it. It's like, okay,

1002
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:17.400
all right, another very moments that I've thought about going back,

1003
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:22.159
and yeah, I guess I'm okay. I'm okay at the

1004
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:22.719
end of the day.

1005
00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:26.320
For me, yeah, I think that I started going to

1006
00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:28.400
therapy to work through some things and I've stayed with

1007
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:30.480
it because well A there's still things to work through,

1008
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:34.880
but be like my personal approach to it is is

1009
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:38.559
I think of therapy more as like a personal trainer

1010
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:40.440
than as a doctor. I think of it more as

1011
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:44.920
like preventative and continuous than than to fix it for

1012
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:52.159
than reparative, which you know, and there's different strokes for everyone,

1013
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:55.239
but for me, the chance to and even like I've

1014
00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:56.559
been with my therapist for a long time, I'm a

1015
00:47:56.559 --> 00:47:58.920
big fan of her, a big kind of therapy. In

1016
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:01.559
some weeks it is kind of talking. Some weeks it's

1017
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:04.119
just venting. It's just complaining about things that happen all week.

1018
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:05.840
I'm not looking for a solution. I'm not I'm not

1019
00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:07.519
even looking for much of a response. I just don't

1020
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:09.920
have anyone else that will sit quietly and let me

1021
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:12.639
pay them to just word vomit at them for forty

1022
00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:15.679
five minutes. And then sometimes it's like the we you know,

1023
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:19.480
it's like her. Her kind of insight is more reminding

1024
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:20.840
me of the things that I know, and then I

1025
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:23.280
get lazy about not doing or not thinking about or

1026
00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:26.400
you know, like I get I get busy or I

1027
00:48:26.440 --> 00:48:28.079
feel busy and I get out of my routines that

1028
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:30.800
I know help me feel grounded, and she's just like, well,

1029
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:32.639
are you. I'll come in and I'll have complaints and

1030
00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:34.280
she's like, well, are you doing these things that we

1031
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:36.039
know work for you? And I say, all right, no,

1032
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:37.840
I'm not doing any of those, and she says, well,

1033
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:40.320
probably probably that then that's probably part of the problem.

1034
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:42.760
So you know, like that's for me. It's like that,

1035
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:45.480
it's kind of just a touch point, kind of a

1036
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:48.679
grounding point on a weekly basis. But yeah, if I mean,

1037
00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:52.440
you know, sporadically whatever, like even if you even if

1038
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:55.760
you do think of it as remparative, great, I just

1039
00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:57.119
I agree with you that there should not be a

1040
00:48:57.159 --> 00:48:59.760
stigma to wanted to talk to someone. I think it's

1041
00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:02.280
weird that we that we have created that stigma.

1042
00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:04.079
Yeah, And I mean I came out of a situation

1043
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:06.960
like my my my dad was so dead set against

1044
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:08.840
it and and and really could have used it. And

1045
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:11.480
my my my without getting into it, my sister was

1046
00:49:11.480 --> 00:49:14.760
a very difficult child. She's a very difficult adult now.

1047
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:16.639
They did not really know how to deal with her

1048
00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:19.360
at all, and they were they just felt like they

1049
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:23.119
could gut through it all and they you know, I

1050
00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:26.440
was not their failure there, she was their failure. And

1051
00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:29.760
so that's yeah, it's just reality. It's like there was

1052
00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:36.840
there's no there's no upside to turning off that avenue

1053
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:40.159
of getting help and and figuring out how to you know,

1054
00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:45.599
how to improve the quality of your life by improving

1055
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:47.480
the quality of your reactions to your life.

1056
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:50.480
I guess yeah, I fully like if you think of

1057
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:52.639
it as any I mean there are some men too

1058
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:54.599
who have a weird pain in their side but are

1059
00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:56.239
not going to go see a doctor because they'll just

1060
00:49:56.280 --> 00:49:58.039
work itself out, you know. So the same but same

1061
00:49:58.119 --> 00:49:59.639
kind of like thing, like why don't you go go

1062
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.039
get that at dummy? That's it's it's bothering. You should

1063
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:03.760
get a look at it. It's the same kind of

1064
00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:05.320
thing with your brain, you know. That's how I feel

1065
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:05.760
about it.

1066
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:11.880
So, uh, you have a podcast. You have a podcast

1067
00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:13.159
with your best friend.

1068
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:16.280
I do. Yeah, yeah, my best friend Tom, the No

1069
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:19.199
Homo Podcast with Jonathan and Tom.

1070
00:50:18.679 --> 00:50:22.320
And he uh he is a gay man and you're

1071
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:22.880
a straight man.

1072
00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:25.320
Yes, that's the title. We're not being, We're not being

1073
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:28.840
we're being tongue in cheek. We're not being aggressively insulting.

1074
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:32.559
I always my reaction to no home or not, but

1075
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:36.000
pre pre pre being exposed to your podcast. But my

1076
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:38.039
reaction to that phrase has always been kind of like,

1077
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:41.920
no all home, because that's because when guys are saying it,

1078
00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:43.920
they very often.

1079
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:48.440
Yeah, well, than I'm stealing someone. I'm not stealing it

1080
00:50:48.440 --> 00:50:50.000
because I'll give I just don't know what his name was.

1081
00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:51.599
I don't know who the comedian was, but there was

1082
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:53.880
a comedian who was saying he had he was from

1083
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:55.760
the Midwest, and he was living in California now and

1084
00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:57.039
he had a friend from the West come out to

1085
00:50:57.039 --> 00:50:59.679
see him and his friend like was hanging out with

1086
00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:01.480
a bunch of hit this this guy's new friends out

1087
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:04.880
in California, and the friend said, hey, guys, no homo.

1088
00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:06.519
But and someone stopped him and said, oh, we don't,

1089
00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:09.840
we don't say that. And the comedian's point was, you don't.

1090
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:12.920
You don't interrupt a straight a straight man who just

1091
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:16.719
said no homo is about to say the sweetest thing

1092
00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:18.960
he's ever said, and he's just scared to say it

1093
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:21.920
without that. He's scared to see weak and soft. But

1094
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:25.239
whatever whatever he says next is gonna be beautiful. But

1095
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:29.920
he just can't say it without saying that, right right.

1096
00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:33.519
It is like I don't know exactly what the word is,

1097
00:51:33.559 --> 00:51:36.440
but just sort of like like setting it aside from

1098
00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:39.440
from anything that could be misconstrued as.

1099
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:41.480
Yeah, and again, that's that's like back to the kind

1100
00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:45.440
of like fear, the fear based problems with someone else

1101
00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:48.199
painting their nails or with whatever. It's like the idea

1102
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:50.239
that like if I say something genuine or I say

1103
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:54.960
something sweet, or I say something complimentary, that someone else

1104
00:51:55.360 --> 00:52:00.119
might think I'm homosexual and that would be such a

1105
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:05.559
bad thing is such a convoluted It's such a weird

1106
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:07.880
place to be scared, and it's such a I feel

1107
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:12.360
genuinely like sad for people who feel that scared and

1108
00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:14.960
that kind of environment, you cannot be vult you cannot

1109
00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:18.239
feel safe being vulnerable. That feels like a really tough

1110
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:18.679
place to be.

1111
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:23.719
Mm hm. A thing about the about the fitness world

1112
00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:25.960
that I've that I come from is that it is

1113
00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:30.480
entirely normal for guys to comment on other guys physiques.

1114
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:36.159
It's sure, and it's sort of the the uh the

1115
00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:39.159
touch phrase right now is like you're not really working

1116
00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:41.400
out for for women, You're working out for other guys

1117
00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:44.760
because that's who notices the most, right. Yeah, and and

1118
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:48.519
that's that's where you're trying to gain, you know, respect

1119
00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:55.599
and currency and whatever. Having said that, I looked at

1120
00:52:55.639 --> 00:52:59.239
your IMDb a little bit and to try to refamiliarize

1121
00:52:59.239 --> 00:53:00.559
myself with some of the things that I may have

1122
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:03.599
seen you in. And you're in an episode of a

1123
00:53:03.639 --> 00:53:06.679
show that's probably like one of the most brilliantly constructed

1124
00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:09.920
shows of all time, and it sucks that isn't still

1125
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:11.559
running and that's high maintenance.

1126
00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:13.360
Yeah, I agree with you. It is one of the

1127
00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:16.400
most brilliant contructed shows of all time. Yeah.

1128
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:18.800
The first time I thought, I was like, actually, it's

1129
00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:20.599
probably the second episode that I saw. I was like,

1130
00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:23.599
oh wait, this is just an anthology with it with

1131
00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:27.320
really one character that is the string through the whole,

1132
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:34.400
through the whole thing. You're pretty undressed in that, not

1133
00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:38.079
as much as the other guy who got to hang

1134
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:41.920
Dong and so was there like a coin flip about

1135
00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:43.199
who was going to hang do in that?

1136
00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:45.719
Or I mean I think that objectively, he might have

1137
00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:48.119
the better dog to put on screen. So you know,

1138
00:53:48.199 --> 00:53:51.440
mine makes a quick appearance, but it's it's literally you know,

1139
00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:57.960
no small parts. But that Yeah, that's funny. That what

1140
00:53:58.039 --> 00:53:59.920
a great setup for that for that too, because I

1141
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:04.559
agree with everything you said and it so my wife

1142
00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:06.360
and I found that show. Actually Tom introduced me to

1143
00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:08.199
that show when it was just a web series. It

1144
00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:11.320
was just online and you know, Ben Sinclair and Katie

1145
00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:15.880
Blitchfield were New York. Katya Is was a casting Cutty

1146
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:20.199
was in casting and kind of like the web series,

1147
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:22.880
A lot of it was this anthology because they knew

1148
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:25.599
all of these brilliant actors in New York that weren't

1149
00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:28.079
getting steady work just because that's the business, because they

1150
00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:29.960
weren't you know, the dogs weren't fitting. But they had

1151
00:54:29.960 --> 00:54:33.519
all these brilliant UH performers that they knew, and they

1152
00:54:33.519 --> 00:54:36.159
just kind of started giving them a chance to uh

1153
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:39.159
to work on these characters and like really and these

1154
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:42.039
these characters from the web series were just incredible and yeah,

1155
00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:44.679
it's like this one guy, this pot dealer, who he's

1156
00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:48.119
the through line, but it's really just everyone that he meets, right,

1157
00:54:48.199 --> 00:54:50.719
and so it's like the the web series. And then

1158
00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:52.360
it was so excited to see I was so excited

1159
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:54.519
to see it get picked up for a first season

1160
00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:58.800
on HBO and really thought that like it did what

1161
00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:00.679
I what I what I was so happy to see

1162
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:04.480
is like, you know you have you got a brilliant idea,

1163
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:08.559
you've got brilliant talents. You get some money, you might

1164
00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:10.079
sell out, you might be able to make what you want,

1165
00:55:10.159 --> 00:55:12.639
or you might feel like you're supposed to meet some

1166
00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:16.440
studio standard or something. And I thought those guys really

1167
00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:18.559
stuck to their guns. I'm not that they had I'm

1168
00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:20.000
not sure they got any pushback at all, but they

1169
00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:22.360
chose to stick with what they wanted, what they did best,

1170
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:25.760
and it showed. And the first season on HBO was

1171
00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:28.440
just I loved every moment of it. And then I

1172
00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:31.440
got a chance audition and ended up getting booked in

1173
00:55:31.480 --> 00:55:35.440
this season two premiere, and yeah, it was like I

1174
00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:41.199
had a writer that came with the offer that listed

1175
00:55:41.320 --> 00:55:45.840
in graphic detail a bunch of scenarios that may or

1176
00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:47.760
may not that I may or may not be asked

1177
00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:52.719
to film in simulated sexual kind of ways. And I

1178
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:54.440
said to my my wife, I was like, look, look,

1179
00:55:54.519 --> 00:55:56.199
let's look read this. This is what it says. I

1180
00:55:56.239 --> 00:55:57.480
kind of feel like they're just trying to cover their

1181
00:55:57.519 --> 00:55:59.360
basis here, like depending on like just so like if

1182
00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:01.360
something comes up with the day, I can't say we

1183
00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:06.079
didn't discuss this, you know, and also I do. I

1184
00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:07.880
feel like we trust them because we love the show

1185
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:10.000
so much. I feel like this episode is going to

1186
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:11.840
be an important episode of TV because of what they're

1187
00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:15.599
doing with it, and so I like, you know, and

1188
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:19.440
I out of respect for honestly to my wife, do

1189
00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:23.039
you are you comfortable if I shoot a simulated male

1190
00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:25.320
male female threesome in a hotel room for a couple

1191
00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:28.039
of days? And she was like, yeah, okay, whatever, sure,

1192
00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:32.440
So you know, we did, and it was it was

1193
00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:34.840
so much fun. It was so much fun. And then

1194
00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:38.559
I really do feel proud to have been a part

1195
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:40.599
of that story. I thought it was such a cool

1196
00:56:41.840 --> 00:56:44.000
version of telling a story. It was kind of like

1197
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:47.679
it was, you know, it's it's it's season it's season two,

1198
00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:49.920
episode one. It's called the Globo, and it's just like

1199
00:56:50.320 --> 00:56:53.800
a world event happens and it's never mentioned. I don't

1200
00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:55.719
know what it is, but you know that it's important.

1201
00:56:56.320 --> 00:56:58.280
And then you just kind of meet people throughout the

1202
00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:00.360
day in New York because of again the anthology style

1203
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:03.800
of this, you're meeting people who like frankly, everyone you

1204
00:57:03.800 --> 00:57:05.519
meet that they has a reason to not be paying

1205
00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:08.199
attention to the main story. They either like learn about

1206
00:57:08.239 --> 00:57:10.239
it in real time, you know, or like weren't paying

1207
00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:13.000
attention to it at all or whatever. And like I

1208
00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:16.480
thought that was such a cool way to tell the story,

1209
00:57:16.519 --> 00:57:19.280
to to like show something that is clearly important that

1210
00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:21.559
they their world building is so good. They build this,

1211
00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:24.559
they make it very clear that this is very important

1212
00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:28.079
on a national, international, some kind of big time scale,

1213
00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:31.280
and then also zoom in so close to see like

1214
00:57:31.719 --> 00:57:33.719
people are still living their lives and going to have

1215
00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:35.079
to figure out how to deal with this, but there's

1216
00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:38.880
still life still goes on, life still happens, and there's

1217
00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:43.400
like it's called Globo, which is oh man, I'm really

1218
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:46.000
gonna get this wrong with now Spanish for all maybe

1219
00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:50.239
or balloon or sphere balloon, balloon, okay, yeah, yeah, and yeah,

1220
00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:51.800
so this is like great moment near the end where

1221
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:54.079
it's just like a subway train, like a tin a

1222
00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:56.400
subway car in New York late at night with a

1223
00:57:56.440 --> 00:57:59.679
balloon bouncing around, you know, and like it's it's this somber,

1224
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:04.400
very heavy, dark day but also you know, there's like

1225
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:06.519
a little kid playing with a balloon, and it I

1226
00:58:06.679 --> 00:58:10.159
just taking myself out of it even like wepped at

1227
00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:12.199
that episode. I thought it was such good storytelling on

1228
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:15.320
their part, and I mean on a on a I

1229
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:17.119
I if I can for a second, like it was silly.

1230
00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:19.599
The threesome was like it was kind of shock value silly.

1231
00:58:19.639 --> 00:58:21.039
It was like a you know, in your face kind

1232
00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:22.280
of thing. But if you were to go back and

1233
00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:24.599
pay attention to it, you realize that it's a male

1234
00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:26.719
male male female male. How do you want to say it?

1235
00:58:26.719 --> 00:58:29.239
Two dudes and a woman in a threesome, And it

1236
00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:32.519
is not at all in the vein of like the

1237
00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:34.840
pornography you would see that that that that kind of thing,

1238
00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:37.800
like it is actually like female centric. It's about the

1239
00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:39.719
two of us like wanted to pay attention to her,

1240
00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:41.639
you know, and like and so it's a little stuff

1241
00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:44.840
like that. But it's not like some kind of grotesque,

1242
00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:48.119
you know, grotuitous kind of bang out threesome. It's like

1243
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:50.320
and it is list some shock value. There's definitely like

1244
00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:52.920
some scenarios created that are that are meant to be

1245
00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:56.280
kind of like surprising shock value, but it's still built

1246
00:58:56.280 --> 00:58:58.880
around the idea of like she's in charge the whole

1247
00:58:58.920 --> 00:59:01.280
time she is running, that she's running that whole scenario.

1248
00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:05.880
And so even in that kind of like sexuality, that

1249
00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:08.440
shock factor kind of way, it wasn't. It was done

1250
00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:12.480
incredibly intentionally and incredibly like, uh, delicately and smartly. And

1251
00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:14.400
I just love that about the way that they made

1252
00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:15.000
that whole show.

1253
00:59:16.039 --> 00:59:18.280
So I actually have a question that might be a

1254
00:59:18.280 --> 00:59:22.719
shock value thing related to that. So there's a there's

1255
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:24.960
a point at which your character is talking on the

1256
00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:30.000
phone and I think it's to his mom, and then

1257
00:59:30.039 --> 00:59:33.239
the other guy takes over the phone, it takes over

1258
00:59:33.280 --> 00:59:37.280
the conversation. Are they supposed to be brothers? Yeah, that's

1259
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:40.880
what I thought that I was not on that.

1260
00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:43.079
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's the kind of the that's the

1261
00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:46.599
the twist to our scene. There's yeah, and she doesn't

1262
00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:47.760
know that. That's kind of like the point is like

1263
00:59:47.800 --> 00:59:50.880
she learns that in that time too. So I think

1264
00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:53.360
at the end, I think at the very end, like

1265
00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:55.480
the credit scene, is her like scrubbing herself hard on

1266
00:59:55.519 --> 00:59:58.280
the shower because she's with the fact that, yeah, she's

1267
00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:02.119
just she just had an all night through with two brothers. Yeah,

1268
01:00:02.159 --> 01:00:04.400
and they're totally cool with it. They're like they took

1269
01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:06.519
it exactly in stride. They weren't worried about it at all,

1270
01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:09.440
Like literally talking on the phone to mom and then

1271
01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:11.199
just say like, hey, mom wants to talk to you,

1272
01:00:11.320 --> 01:00:13.760
and that's like like not missing a beat and she's

1273
01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:14.239
just like what.

1274
01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:22.840
So I have to say, you were quite muscular in

1275
01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:24.760
that in that scene.

1276
01:00:26.639 --> 01:00:28.920
Thanks. I used to I used to enjoy. I mean,

1277
01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:30.639
I still like working out, but I cross fitted for

1278
01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:34.480
a long time and was I like working out. I mean,

1279
01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:36.639
that's one of the things I appreciate. That's one of

1280
01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:38.280
the reasons that I like checking out what you got

1281
01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:40.599
going on too, is I appreciate lifting heavy, and I

1282
01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:43.159
appreciate I don't have the chance to have as much

1283
01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:46.159
like my physique. Is it maybe what I had time

1284
01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:48.360
to make it or the motivation or focus or whatever

1285
01:00:48.440 --> 01:00:49.800
to make it, you know before in my life. But

1286
01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:52.599
I do think of it like it's something that I love.

1287
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:54.760
It's a way to get stuff, it's a way to

1288
01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:56.920
deal with stuff, you know, it's a way to keep active.

1289
01:00:56.960 --> 01:01:01.880
And yeah, I love working out. It's always a a

1290
01:01:01.920 --> 01:01:04.079
fun place to put focus.

1291
01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:08.360
I heard you staying there your podcast that you you're

1292
01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:11.360
boxing again, and I just want to thank you for it.

1293
01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:18.760
Not being Jiu jitsu, not that I have anything against

1294
01:01:19.039 --> 01:01:21.719
jiu jitsu, but it's like become a little bit or

1295
01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:22.960
maybe a lot of a cliche.

1296
01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:25.719
Yeah, it definitely has. And look, I'm not going to

1297
01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:28.519
act like I didn't look for BJJ jim around that

1298
01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:30.719
I could have gotten into some more of it, but

1299
01:01:31.239 --> 01:01:34.639
it wasn't it wasn't accessible, so I just stuck with boxing.

1300
01:01:34.679 --> 01:01:37.360
And I do I agree with you though, there's a

1301
01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:40.840
real like the kind of like optimized world has also

1302
01:01:40.920 --> 01:01:45.639
taken a real liking to jiu jitsu, which which they

1303
01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:49.639
should and could I mean, an incredible sport, incredible art.

1304
01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:53.440
But yeah, it's definitely on a trend wave right now

1305
01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:53.880
for sure.

1306
01:01:54.480 --> 01:01:59.079
Yeah, we here in Sacramento, we had or have have

1307
01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:00.760
had your favor.

1308
01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:03.800
You UFC Focus.

1309
01:02:04.039 --> 01:02:07.239
I knew you know, the the building that our gym

1310
01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:11.280
is in now was another gym years ago and a

1311
01:02:11.320 --> 01:02:14.519
lot of those people came in for conditioning work with

1312
01:02:14.599 --> 01:02:17.320
a with a friend of ours and uh so got

1313
01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:18.960
to meet a lot of those guys and hang out

1314
01:02:18.960 --> 01:02:23.639
a little bit or whatever. We had Aryah on this

1315
01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:27.960
show so years ago, four or five years ago, and

1316
01:02:28.840 --> 01:02:29.960
I don't know if you would pick me out of

1317
01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:33.559
a crowd now, but I do, I do know it sort.

1318
01:02:33.320 --> 01:02:36.400
Of so.

1319
01:02:38.199 --> 01:02:42.960
In in something of a conclusion, there's like, the world

1320
01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:50.280
is very crazy right now and it's divisive in a

1321
01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:53.360
way that I have a difficult time understanding. And there's

1322
01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:57.480
a component to it that has to do with that.

1323
01:02:57.679 --> 01:03:02.639
With entertainment, my wife and I went to see I

1324
01:03:02.679 --> 01:03:05.719
don't know if you know who Samin Nocerat is Salt

1325
01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:06.519
Fat Acid Heat.

1326
01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:08.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.

1327
01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:13.960
So she and Rashie Shrway, who does the Song Exploder podcast.

1328
01:03:14.039 --> 01:03:19.039
He was on West Wing Weekly for a long time

1329
01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:23.320
and they started a podcast during COVID and they did

1330
01:03:23.360 --> 01:03:25.039
it was very limited run. It was only supposed to

1331
01:03:25.079 --> 01:03:27.079
be like four episodes, and now they've done like twenty

1332
01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:31.119
something episodes over like four or five years, just as

1333
01:03:31.519 --> 01:03:34.480
as time allows. They come on to do a podcast

1334
01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:38.519
about cooking, which is called Home Cooking, and she is

1335
01:03:38.599 --> 01:03:42.880
releasing an or just released a new book a many

1336
01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:46.400
years later, follow up to Salt Fat Act Heat, And

1337
01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:50.679
they did an event in San Francisco over the weekend

1338
01:03:50.800 --> 01:03:54.360
that my wife and I went to. Theater was full,

1339
01:03:54.599 --> 01:03:58.800
it was like sold out, a ton of people and

1340
01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:02.119
I'm sitting there wondering, like, what is it about about

1341
01:04:02.119 --> 01:04:06.440
this that I enjoy? And like, I mean, I'm not

1342
01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:08.960
a cook, but I do cook, but I'm not like

1343
01:04:09.039 --> 01:04:11.639
a cook. This is not not my obsession. I don't

1344
01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:14.960
think about all this stuff all the time. So what

1345
01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:20.639
what am I enjoying about this? Well? They're both very warm.

1346
01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:27.880
They they're not they don't use divisive language about anything. Uh,

1347
01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:34.480
They're very focused on making people feel good about about

1348
01:04:34.519 --> 01:04:38.920
what they're talking about. Rishi is like awesome at constructing

1349
01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:41.519
content because he put together this, you know, the way

1350
01:04:41.559 --> 01:04:44.280
the show flowed and it was it was like it

1351
01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:46.400
was funny and it was informative and it was just

1352
01:04:46.480 --> 01:04:50.840
it was just perfect. And then I asked myself, well,

1353
01:04:53.639 --> 01:04:59.400
like a content creator was killed last year, and my

1354
01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:04.119
engagement with that contact content was was pretty minimal outside

1355
01:05:04.119 --> 01:05:07.920
of a few things. And I know I didn't enjoy it,

1356
01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:13.800
but some people obviously do. And I don't know what's

1357
01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:20.039
different about people who enjoy like one type of entertainment

1358
01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:22.159
you can't take. I don't think we can take entertainment

1359
01:05:22.159 --> 01:05:26.360
out of politics in twenty twenty five, and we haven't

1360
01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:29.719
been able to for a long time, and our elections

1361
01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:35.440
seemed to be one on often on the candidate's presentation

1362
01:05:36.559 --> 01:05:39.719
and the way that they connect to an audience. So

1363
01:05:39.760 --> 01:05:41.119
I just wonder what your thoughts are on that.

1364
01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:49.880
Yeah, uh, it's it's hard to not feel sometimes like

1365
01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:54.000
the divisiveness. Also like once you once you see it happening,

1366
01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:56.119
and because I'm kind of with you, like it feels,

1367
01:05:56.840 --> 01:06:00.280
it makes me feel kind of crazy. Sometimes I think

1368
01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:06.159
that I think that there are some big, bigger, kind

1369
01:06:06.199 --> 01:06:08.760
of more universal things at play. I think that it

1370
01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:13.559
is anger. So my therapist always says, and has got

1371
01:06:13.559 --> 01:06:16.320
it drilled into my head that anger is a secondary emotion.

1372
01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:20.199
Anger is always a reaction to another feeling. Often it's

1373
01:06:20.239 --> 01:06:23.400
sadness or fear or whatever else is happening. But anger

1374
01:06:23.480 --> 01:06:29.000
is a protective secondary emotion. But that takes work to see.

1375
01:06:29.039 --> 01:06:31.320
It takes the time, it takes the willingness, it takes

1376
01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:33.559
the effort to notice that that's true and then to

1377
01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:37.039
dissect it beyond that even and I think that what

1378
01:06:37.119 --> 01:06:40.679
ends up happening is not because people are dumb or lazy,

1379
01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:43.679
but just the easier it is. It is it takes

1380
01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:46.760
less work, and so it is by definition easier to

1381
01:06:47.039 --> 01:06:50.280
let the anger lead than to figure out why the

1382
01:06:50.280 --> 01:06:53.239
anger is there and to do self reflection because of

1383
01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:58.000
that anger. So anger is an easily weaponized feeling, it's

1384
01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:03.960
an easily cohesy, cohesing, cohesive bringing people together. It's an

1385
01:07:03.960 --> 01:07:06.679
easy thing to get together on. It's hating the same

1386
01:07:06.679 --> 01:07:09.480
thing is a thing that can really bond people. And

1387
01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:13.360
so I think that kind of to scale. And I

1388
01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:16.519
think that some of these content creators who have big

1389
01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:22.760
platforms some of that is because of the anger that

1390
01:07:22.800 --> 01:07:25.679
they're able to gin up that they are able to generate.

1391
01:07:25.760 --> 01:07:27.519
Instead of looking at any of it and say, why

1392
01:07:27.559 --> 01:07:30.199
are we scared of these things? Why are we you know,

1393
01:07:31.480 --> 01:07:33.719
should we look into this further? And should any should

1394
01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:35.920
we be paying attention to the fact that this content

1395
01:07:35.960 --> 01:07:41.280
creator is is is using miss is just lying, is

1396
01:07:41.320 --> 01:07:44.599
just using non facts all the time to make their points.

1397
01:07:44.599 --> 01:07:46.480
Should we be looking into that or should we just

1398
01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:49.599
recognize that it makes us feel good to be angry

1399
01:07:49.639 --> 01:07:51.119
at the same thing, and so we're just going to

1400
01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:53.599
stay angry at it and then let that anger keep

1401
01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:57.039
going and frothing and grow wider. And I just think

1402
01:07:57.079 --> 01:08:01.159
that because because even on a more progressed, more you know,

1403
01:08:01.639 --> 01:08:04.840
understanding ish side of things. It's still even for me

1404
01:08:04.920 --> 01:08:08.440
as a creator, it is I am nine times out

1405
01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:10.039
of ten. Part of this is human nature. Part of

1406
01:08:10.039 --> 01:08:13.039
this is the algorithm itself wanting to build things. You know,

1407
01:08:13.119 --> 01:08:16.439
I think that it's become pretty clear that negative energy

1408
01:08:16.479 --> 01:08:18.920
fuels more views, keeps people locked in more so it

1409
01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:21.520
sells more ad space. So it's like it's more profitable

1410
01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:24.079
to keep people angry. So part of its human nature.

1411
01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:28.800
Part of it is being exponentially gassed up by the

1412
01:08:28.840 --> 01:08:34.760
algorithms and by you know, computers. But it my reels

1413
01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:37.359
even do better when there is a call out of someone,

1414
01:08:37.399 --> 01:08:39.119
or there's a finger point at someone, or there's something

1415
01:08:39.199 --> 01:08:41.119
kind of sassy to it. There's some kind of like

1416
01:08:41.199 --> 01:08:43.359
chest puffing of some kind. You know, even if it's

1417
01:08:43.359 --> 01:08:46.640
from a progressive perspective, if it is like kind of

1418
01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:50.159
picking a fight. In fact, literally inviting Nick flint As

1419
01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:54.199
to a fight is probably my biggest real ever. You know,

1420
01:08:54.279 --> 01:08:57.680
that one went nuts. I was painting my nails and

1421
01:08:58.159 --> 01:08:59.920
inviting Nick flint As to meet me for a chair

1422
01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:03.439
boxing match, and that one went big time. Because people

1423
01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:06.760
it anger is easy to connect on, and anger is

1424
01:09:06.800 --> 01:09:09.840
easy to it's it's it's it's easier to feel anger

1425
01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:11.279
than to figure out where that anger is coming from.

1426
01:09:11.319 --> 01:09:14.560
And I think that there are plenty of creators at

1427
01:09:14.600 --> 01:09:16.960
the at the content creation level and at the actual

1428
01:09:16.960 --> 01:09:21.039
political leadership level that recognize that, and instead of trying

1429
01:09:21.039 --> 01:09:24.880
to motivate people to move past that, it would rather

1430
01:09:25.079 --> 01:09:27.680
weaponize it and monetize it and stay right there at

1431
01:09:27.680 --> 01:09:32.560
the anger point. And I you know, I that without

1432
01:09:32.600 --> 01:09:35.279
any moral statement one by the other, when you do that,

1433
01:09:35.399 --> 01:09:36.800
you're going to end up with a lot of anger

1434
01:09:36.920 --> 01:09:39.640
and anger. People are going to do things out of anger,

1435
01:09:39.840 --> 01:09:44.920
and you end up with violent situations and angry situations

1436
01:09:44.920 --> 01:09:47.439
that are that are that can't be undone.

1437
01:09:47.680 --> 01:09:53.319
Yeah, that you can't control. Yeah, yeah, because I I

1438
01:09:53.319 --> 01:09:55.479
I don't feel and find that those appeals work on

1439
01:09:55.640 --> 01:09:59.359
me for either side, to be honest, Like, if I

1440
01:09:59.359 --> 01:10:01.399
get angry again, it's over with pretty quickly because I

1441
01:10:01.399 --> 01:10:03.640
started thinking about the logic behind it, and like, what

1442
01:10:04.039 --> 01:10:07.079
you know, But let me ask you a lifted related

1443
01:10:07.119 --> 01:10:11.239
a lifting related question that ties back to this. If

1444
01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:14.560
you were going to like hit a big squad or

1445
01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:19.560
a big bench or whatever, or a deadlift, are you

1446
01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:21.800
the type of person who would have to hype up

1447
01:10:21.800 --> 01:10:24.239
for that or will you just walk in and go.

1448
01:10:24.640 --> 01:10:29.239
That's a good question, I am. It depends. I guess.

1449
01:10:29.319 --> 01:10:30.800
I look back through my history and if I if

1450
01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:32.159
I did it right now, I would not be lifting

1451
01:10:32.199 --> 01:10:34.920
too heavy. But I was trying to max out on

1452
01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:39.600
something I feel like. I feel like my Olympic lifts.

1453
01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:42.600
I kind of jazz up for I would get get

1454
01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:44.840
in a while, pump the blood up, I would get

1455
01:10:44.840 --> 01:10:46.079
things moving because I want to step up to the

1456
01:10:46.119 --> 01:10:47.840
bar and not think at all about what comes next.

1457
01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:49.479
And I want to have everything pumping and being able

1458
01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:53.319
to move and drop onto this weight. But if I'm squatting,

1459
01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:56.720
I don't. I'm mean, I have to focus in you know,

1460
01:10:56.800 --> 01:10:59.760
if it's if, it's if if the if. I'm dealing

1461
01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:01.720
with the fear of what if I get stuck under here?

1462
01:11:01.760 --> 01:11:03.920
What if this actually goes poorly?

1463
01:11:04.039 --> 01:11:04.199
You know?

1464
01:11:04.359 --> 01:11:06.279
Like that, then I don't get hype. But I don't

1465
01:11:06.279 --> 01:11:07.800
want to be at all out of control. I want

1466
01:11:07.800 --> 01:11:11.119
to be locked in and and you know, like music,

1467
01:11:11.119 --> 01:11:13.159
I'm all over the place. Sometimes I want louchdown. That's

1468
01:11:13.159 --> 01:11:15.920
gonna make me go. And then like sometimes I like

1469
01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:17.840
working out in silence. Sometimes I like working out with

1470
01:11:17.880 --> 01:11:20.119
no music at all, and just like being really chill

1471
01:11:20.159 --> 01:11:23.279
about it. I kind of feel like I can, I

1472
01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:25.840
can tap into any and all of those things. But

1473
01:11:25.960 --> 01:11:28.880
for if I was going to deadlift, I was gonna squat,

1474
01:11:29.199 --> 01:11:31.079
If I was gonna bench and I was trying to

1475
01:11:31.119 --> 01:11:34.159
like max out of PR I would not. I would

1476
01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:38.760
I would say pretty pretty tightly focused and not not

1477
01:11:39.800 --> 01:11:42.199
amp up big time or stomp or scream or hit

1478
01:11:42.199 --> 01:11:44.520
myself or whatever, you know, And I, you know, like

1479
01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:46.640
do what you gotta do to get yourself there. I'm

1480
01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:49.640
not no judgment one way or another, but I definitely

1481
01:11:49.640 --> 01:11:51.880
And it's funny as I'm saying that out loud now

1482
01:11:51.880 --> 01:11:53.800
to be honest, as I make my long answer longer.

1483
01:11:55.359 --> 01:11:58.199
I most back when I did more CrossFit and I

1484
01:11:58.199 --> 01:12:00.640
did more Olympic lifts, all of those prs were for

1485
01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:03.640
an audience, not not not on you know, at the

1486
01:12:03.640 --> 01:12:05.640
games or whatever, but just at the gym, Like there's

1487
01:12:05.640 --> 01:12:07.439
people around watching and I'm going to hit a new

1488
01:12:07.720 --> 01:12:11.079
clean and jerk PR and that environment gears me up

1489
01:12:11.119 --> 01:12:13.880
so that I'm like almost subconsciously putting on a show

1490
01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:15.520
for everyone because that helps me get there, you know.

1491
01:12:15.800 --> 01:12:19.039
But now I'm in the gym by myself trying to

1492
01:12:19.560 --> 01:12:21.520
max out a squad, and that's just going to stay

1493
01:12:21.680 --> 01:12:24.439
focused on lockdown and not amped.

1494
01:12:24.239 --> 01:12:28.079
Up for it. I in two thousand and six ish

1495
01:12:28.239 --> 01:12:32.560
started actually late two thousand and five or early two

1496
01:12:32.600 --> 01:12:37.119
thousand and six, started shooting Powerless thing in the gym,

1497
01:12:37.239 --> 01:12:38.920
you know, like anyway, it was a it was kind

1498
01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:41.159
of a team environment of even though it's in your

1499
01:12:41.159 --> 01:12:46.119
individual sport or whatever. And so that's I mean, other

1500
01:12:46.199 --> 01:12:49.239
than the first podcast I did, that's kind of what

1501
01:12:49.439 --> 01:12:51.680
if Cymphony knows me, that's what they know me for.

1502
01:12:52.600 --> 01:12:56.439
And I always felt like every night, that or that

1503
01:12:56.520 --> 01:12:59.359
it was always on night or sometimes sometimes afternoon, sometimes

1504
01:12:59.399 --> 01:13:03.399
mornings whatever, whenever, every session was like an episode. It

1505
01:13:03.439 --> 01:13:05.159
was it was an episode for me because I was

1506
01:13:05.199 --> 01:13:07.920
cutting it together, yeah you know, and it was voiced

1507
01:13:07.960 --> 01:13:10.520
over and whatever, but it was also an episode for them.

1508
01:13:10.600 --> 01:13:14.319
It was a performance among their peers. So it's just

1509
01:13:14.439 --> 01:13:18.800
just exactly what you're saying. And some people approached it

1510
01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:21.399
differently than you know, the other. Some people really needed

1511
01:13:21.439 --> 01:13:25.760
to be hyped up, they needed to get slapped or whatever.

1512
01:13:25.920 --> 01:13:29.039
You know, they had to hit a lot of a

1513
01:13:29.079 --> 01:13:32.199
lot of ammonia, you know, just like smelling sauce all

1514
01:13:32.199 --> 01:13:36.359
that stuff, and and I just seldom was that guy,

1515
01:13:36.800 --> 01:13:39.840
like I didn't care what the music was. And like

1516
01:13:40.199 --> 01:13:43.520
the first power listing meat that I did, like I

1517
01:13:43.720 --> 01:13:47.239
was kind of coaching me, like stuck a ammonia cap

1518
01:13:47.239 --> 01:13:49.359
and under my nose before I went out for my deadlift.

1519
01:13:49.359 --> 01:13:51.399
It's like I couldn't even see where the freaking bar

1520
01:13:51.720 --> 01:13:55.039
was at that point, I let alone pay any attention

1521
01:13:55.079 --> 01:13:56.439
to crowd or anything. It's like, how am I going

1522
01:13:56.479 --> 01:13:58.640
to get this off the floor when I can't see straight?

1523
01:14:00.159 --> 01:14:01.600
Just kind of I don't know. This is not how

1524
01:14:01.640 --> 01:14:06.399
my how my how my mind works, on my my

1525
01:14:06.399 --> 01:14:09.199
my nervous system works. But I get it from other people.

1526
01:14:09.279 --> 01:14:12.279
It's fine. It's just it's just that I just am

1527
01:14:12.319 --> 01:14:14.720
not the guy that that kind of thing works for.

1528
01:14:14.760 --> 01:14:16.640
I guess I don't know that's funny.

1529
01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:21.239
But speaking of enjoying enjoying content, I enjoy what you

1530
01:14:21.319 --> 01:14:24.760
and Tom do together on the on the podcast. It's

1531
01:14:25.600 --> 01:14:29.760
most of the time, I don't think that the I

1532
01:14:29.760 --> 01:14:33.479
don't think that the sexuality component has anything to do

1533
01:14:33.520 --> 01:14:36.000
with it at all, other than him, you know, crushing

1534
01:14:36.039 --> 01:14:40.279
on you after twenty years so and after seeing your

1535
01:14:40.279 --> 01:14:42.840
butt in that episode, like, I get it, I get it.

1536
01:14:43.840 --> 01:14:47.159
Thanks man, I appreciate that full home. Oh, I appreciate it.

1537
01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:52.960
All right, Well, thank you very much. I enjoyed this

1538
01:14:53.159 --> 01:14:54.920
like more than I can actually tell you.

1539
01:14:55.680 --> 01:14:57.520
Well, thanks man, it was really fun. I really appreciate

1540
01:14:57.520 --> 01:14:57.920
you having man.

1541
01:14:58.520 --> 01:15:01.159
Yeah, appreciate it. So where can people find you on.

1542
01:15:01.079 --> 01:15:04.000
The You can find me and my my solo act

1543
01:15:04.039 --> 01:15:07.520
at j Greg Underscore Jonathan on Instagram and also on TikTok,

1544
01:15:07.520 --> 01:15:09.319
but I'm also not any good at that, so it's

1545
01:15:09.359 --> 01:15:12.319
like there, it exists, but Instagram is where I pay

1546
01:15:12.319 --> 01:15:16.920
attention because it's what I understand. And then no homopod

1547
01:15:17.640 --> 01:15:20.960
uh as ours our pod page with Jonathan. It's the

1548
01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:23.279
No Homo Podcast with Jonathan Tom on YouTube and all

1549
01:15:23.319 --> 01:15:26.039
of your favorite podcast platforms, and on Instagram it's No

1550
01:15:26.119 --> 01:15:29.720
Homo Pod. I think I should probably look that up

1551
01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:30.920
before I came on, but I think that's right.

1552
01:15:32.399 --> 01:15:33.920
I can. I can correct that in the show notes.

1553
01:15:33.960 --> 01:15:36.439
I can't like, AI, you're into your mouth or anything,

1554
01:15:36.479 --> 01:15:41.880
but actually somebody well, okay, so five plus years ago,

1555
01:15:42.119 --> 01:15:44.840
my my podcast and business partner and I were approached

1556
01:15:44.840 --> 01:15:50.159
by this company to have clones vocal clones made yes

1557
01:15:50.680 --> 01:15:54.119
to to do ad reads so so they could just

1558
01:15:54.159 --> 01:15:57.560
be programmatically inserted. Yeah, like but it was it was

1559
01:15:57.600 --> 01:15:59.479
going to cost us like ten grand apiece. And now

1560
01:15:59.520 --> 01:16:03.319
people are doing it at home, like you know, yeah, yeah,

1561
01:16:03.319 --> 01:16:06.640
this is crazy. And then another content creator, somebody I

1562
01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:09.239
know that has lost like he lost two hundred pounds

1563
01:16:09.279 --> 01:16:11.039
or something like that, and he's kept it off for

1564
01:16:11.479 --> 01:16:15.159
several years. But he was showing a clip where they

1565
01:16:15.319 --> 01:16:20.279
had changed his voice so that he was speaking Spanish

1566
01:16:20.319 --> 01:16:22.760
and they had actually done the lips as well, and

1567
01:16:22.960 --> 01:16:25.399
somebody just brought this to his attention. Wow, so it's

1568
01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:27.760
like matched his mouth. It's like, this is we were

1569
01:16:27.800 --> 01:16:29.119
living in the weirdest time.

1570
01:16:29.359 --> 01:16:32.119
Yeah, for sure, it's a crazy time. For sure. That's nuts.

1571
01:16:32.520 --> 01:16:34.239
All right. I am at the Jim mcdehon all the

1572
01:16:34.279 --> 01:16:36.439
social media. The show is fifty percent facts. Percent is

1573
01:16:36.439 --> 01:16:38.800
a word in fifty. It's just numbers, fifty percent facts.

1574
01:16:38.840 --> 01:16:41.239
It's a speaker Prime podcast association with I Heeart Media

1575
01:16:41.279 --> 01:16:44.159
on the Obscure Celebrity Network And I'll talk to you

1576
01:16:44.199 --> 01:16:44.600
next week.

1577
01:16:45.039 --> 01:17:12.760
Thanks again, Jonathan, Yeah, thanks so much. Man,