Netflix’s Untold: The Liver King | Review

0:10 Welcome. I have an hypothesis, though maybe I should say now, okay, and then we dive into this thing and then you guys at the end can tell me if you agree with my hypothesis. All right, Shakespeare's famous quote, and I believe in this deeply, that all all all the worlds of stage, all men and women are merely players. Players and you know old English meaning probably actors of some nature. This felt like a pr rebuttal to a pr rebuttal to a pr rebuttal. And the gentleman in the suit with the goatee, the marketing ceo I think paid off Netflix to make this. We'll get, yeah, just to sit on it, and we'll come to your all this conclusion to theay. But first off, we're covering liver Kings, the comeback.

1:10 Yeah, the untold the liver king thing from Netflix, and I'll give. It this one. I hated it too. It's probably one of the things. And they say art art isn't to be uh explained artists, artists should just drive a motion. It did make me feel something. Uh sick to your stomach. Yeah, no, it put me in a bad mood, it really did. And I I, uh, I've been working real hard on my emotions and detaching from life and whatever for my whole life, you know, with therapy, et cetera. But even in my you know, personal business. You know, businesses are roller coasters and you have to start to control your emotions and a lot of things don't like hit me viscerally. But I watched the whole thing obviously, and and and like I just noticed for the rest of the evening, I was like, man, I don't feel good.

2:04 This is like, ikey. This is part of why I watched it right before I went to bed, so that I could sleep through probably a nightmares. It made me feel ikey. Yeah, I didn't have nightmares, but it did it. It's yeah, the ick is strong with this one, for sure. And I think that every single thing we saw in the whole thing was performative by everyone. That's what I'm so you're with my hypothesis, so that's that's probably true. I think that the people who used to work for him, however, yeah, like his buddy with the hat, are more critical than I was expecting for them to be. But even that they were like still kind of nice, Like, man, he should have told me about steroids. They like, no, dude, this dude's literally a scam on top of a scam on top of a scam, and then when it's all released, he has another story about when he was seventeen he was a scammer, right, Like what they even inject that?

2:58 That is a really good question. I guess going to like Catholic confession. He's just letting himself the whole world know he's a literal scum bucket from day one. I cannot tell you whether or not I think it's not even whether it's true, but I can't tell you exactly what I think about whether number one, everything that we see is completely performative or if you believe some of this shit and he acts it out in the cringiest possible way. Yeah, because they kind of led that in the end, right, Like when you believe something so much, you know, it becomes your truth or something. I'm like, that's not like a justification for doing bad things. No, it's really not, Like that's like the easiest cop out ever, Like, well, he didn't mean to. He just believed he had to take care of his sick kids. Like what, well he's forty five, Yeah, Like you're a fucking adult and you're you literally are doing the same. I mean that GNC story is literal fraud. Oh yeah, totally, Like you put him behind bars, yeah, you know the steroid lit Yeah, you can't really put them behind bars. But like if you know where there's smoke, there is fire, there's nothing, you know. I just I just doubt his business on the back end, and him as a human and his poor fucking kids, which will dig into Sebos mentioned like there's not innocence running around this thing. His kids. Rad Ikel. Yeah, bro, I went to a weird school, you know. I grew up with kids with named Forrest and Apple and shit,

4:31 you know, like, okay, rad Ikel, rad Ikel, Yeah the fuck? His other kid had normal name, I think, right, I don't remember. It might have been like Brian or something. But rad Ekel is insane. And those poor kids, uh talk about fraud. I don't think they ever ate raw food. Because they ever see them put it in their mouths. They did when they killed the cow and you could see them holding back vomit. Yeah that was like that. You're telling me you're doing that eerie nuts with your dad every day and then just this time you're gonna gag. Like and I shouldn't comment on appearents, but man, they need to see a dermatologist, both of them. Yeah, and like obviously some of it is sad. You know, they probably had, you know, some kind of autoimmune disease.

5:13 Like not yeah, because maybe the marketing guy throws that into question at the end. Yeah, and it's like, just is this just part of the story. That's where I do I do agree with some of that, you know, even like carnivore gets a bad rap because of the people pushing carnivore where Like an elimination diet, if you have things going wrong, if you're shitting yourself every day as an adult, you should probably take some foods away, break it down to some veggies and meat, and then build your way back up and find out why you're shitting yourself every day. But it may not be the food. May there might be the other way. Yeah, it may not. There may not be any other way to figure that out. Yeah, elimination, even when you're trying to, you know, lose weight or get jacked. Stripping everything away, Not that sugar is gonna you know, the devil, but you strip everything away first and then you slowly build back moderation and tolerance.

6:00 I do that with a lot of people I work with. But yeah, their skin didn't really look healthy. No, they didn't, you know, for how much they supposedly worked out. I know they're kids. I should never like comment on kids, but like the one had to be close to eighteen. Yeah, a dude's lifting weights every day. He doesn't have an ounce of muscle, and all you're eating is protein. Like clearly, you know, the n equals one of liver King's slam and steroids like a fucking gorilla. He's the only one that looks that way. And for people first of which we've done many episodes, like for anyone to think he's natural, Yeah, that's that's pure insanity. That's like like pull up, pull up a Christian McCaffrey, some say Christian McCaffrey over the last five years top you know, three five running back in the NFL. He's a white man. He's a white man.

6:47 So we're trying to, you know, keep keep the genetics here, similar to a liver King, and Christian's fucking jacked and he is cream of the crop. Genetics. That's the that's as freaky as a fucking gets for humans pretty much. Yeah, you know, and I'm pretty you know, I can't. I'm not gonna put money down, but you know, Christian's probably natural. He might you know, he's. Kind of got all the he's got all the. Abs, he's got some biceps. He's probably two he's probably two hundred pounds five ten. Yeah, and he's fast. She's fucking strong. And liver King looks like he's five six, two sixty with not an ounce of real athleticism. And you look like that.

7:27 Yeah, Oh, he looks like he's stuffed full of something. And his friends, other people other like commentators, podcasters, logan Paul, who's getting a lot of steroid, you know, yeah, pushes now that he's in the WWE, and he did get pretty jacked, but at least like even him, like, oh man, he was like all American wrestler, right, you know, So I'm like, all right, he's got something. He had athletics. Suppose he was got football. He grew up literally the town over from my dad. He grew up in Westlake and we're from north Holmestead, Like he grew up in an athletic area. Okay, you know, maybe he he's six four two twenty, like a lot more believable, yeah than Liver King, who if you see him even before, there's too much to talk about. Bro like he like as he says, like I wanted, you know, millions of followers.

8:15 He was kind of probably natty some of those videos. He looks kind of natty when he first started doing that, and then he just started plugging himself full of shit, taking one hundred takes to be a terrible content creator. So this, this review that's in The Guardian used this. He looks like a hot water bottle stuffed with bowling balls, an eighties action figure with more veins, an improbably muscular man who put his bodybuilder shaming physique down to a diet of raw liver, raw bone marrow and raw testicles. And even that talk about the fallacies in this thing. Within the first ten minutes, they got like a fully kicked prime rib on the on that table, right, And that's why I was talking to Sebots. I don't know, because you know, I followed him loosely. Was I found even looser than yeah, yeah, much less fans. So I don't know what his actual like ten inc and shtick is, but I thought it was raw meat. And then within the first ten minutes of this he's got a rolex on.

9:11 I don't think my ancestors had that. No, he's got a prime rib cooked. Yeah. And then he's wearing a rogue shirt made of polyester plastics. Yeah, when he's all about like and then he's drinking alcohol yeah, you know, And I'm like, dude, you're you're you're preaching, you know, Like the con the contradictions here are just so so deep and clearly he's a crossfitter, right, Like they show the old clips and he's doing CrossFit right. He's got all his rogue shit on, which is cool, finding dandy, but don't claim to be this naturally you're grounding yourself. You won't wear shoes, and then you're just gonna wear polyester. And even me, I don't like wearing polyester. I try to wear as much cotton as I can, you know. But but like, I'm also not leading my life with the pitch that polyester and things are gonna kill you.

9:54 Yeah. I've got a review from The Guardian and one from Time magazine, and both of the missed the point that's in the video that I think is probably true. That he was a multimillionaire before he started. You know, I've heard that as well. Yeah, whether it was those supplements or something I've even heard is something totally. Separate, possibly maybe just maybe maybe crime related. Yeah, maybe it is that GNC scam. Yeah, I don't I don't know dealing steroids. Again, where there's smoke, there is fire. If if somebody claims to be making X million dollars a year and you can't account for it based on you know, sales volume and and and popularity of their product or whatever whatever, they are either lying about the amount of money they're making or they're lying about where all that's coming from. Those are the options.

10:48 There's no one hundred mil. I mean, maybe he was. They also made it seem like he was the first ever I mean maybe not the first, but they said he was like the one of the companies to really sell like pill Form Deliver, which may be true. Who knows how long the company's been around, If it's in the early two case, maybe he was one of the first pill Form but to like popular and so like, I could see him making one hundred mel it's definitely possible. Like, but they said two hundred and twenty mil a year. I thought one hundred mil. Either way, I think it's still possible. Like he was the one of the most viral guys, you know, like if you look at the history of virality, he's he's on the Mount Rushmore right now, him fucking sketch, you know.

11:30 But he surely didn't do that by himself. It was the market for people that took him there. Yeah, which which you would think now, And I know that's where it gets complicated because they're like half pulling the doctor, you know, the the Wizard of oz Vale. They're half pulling it, but I think they're pulling it into another scam. But like if you were ever a fan of him, you just can't be Like the whole thing was calculated, right, And that's where the internet's obviously going, right, Like you go scroll through only the Ashton whatever, talk about virility, the morning routine guy. Oh that guy right, Like you're telling me he doesn't have a marketing team behind him. Oh, probably right, Like it's almost guaranteed. These guys are just like turning into puppets. You're turning into like bad actors because you don't actually have to act, because it's more edited than a TV show, you know, like to be Instagram and TikTok good and even said one hundred takes for a story, you know, and like I'm biased because we're obviously from like the frontier of this game. But like, I think you should have a skill.

12:26 You should be able to talk, not mumble, not you know, stutter, and not take one hundred takes to be a YouTuber, because being a YouTuber is just talking, and so like you don't even have the one skill it takes to be who you want to be. Yeah, maybe, And I'm trust me, you know, if we have any haters, I'm not jealous. Like I don't want I don't want a million followers anymore. I want to get off the internet. But like it just seems so lame to me, you know, like when you go to the NBA, you should. Be able to dribble a ball. You know, like if you're trying to be an online personality, you should be insanely unique. Okay, he kind of has that. He's a fucking weirdo, and you should be able to communicate or entertain. He can't, and he proved he can't.

13:09 Yeah, I mean, and most of what you saw from him looks like WWE promos. Yeah, and they weren't even good. That's why they were not, Like they're so edited. Now we know it took one hundred takes and they were bad. Yeah. Where again, people talk shit on ww for being fake or whatever, But we've known many of them, and I've watched it when I was a kid. They're talented. Yeah. It's often live right and sometimes edits sometimes unscripted in the sense that they don't get handed what to say, right, they just have a general flow to the story and they go up there and say funny shit, right, you know, like John seen a stone Cold stone Cold? If you go watch stone Cold in the Rock, go back and forth and highlight clips on YouTube. They're hilarious and it's all off the cuff. Yeah.

13:54 Both of them are really good at improv, which really what happens. And they're going back and forth the insults that they walk the line because they know they're on live TV. But they're still funny and they're still like good. Where Yeah, how are you going to be like a lead on this generation of content and you're not even good at making content? And yet millions of people followed him and hung on his every word, and and it was you know, we've been talking about cults recently, and this one doesn't exactly fit in there, but there are definitely some cultic, cultish behavior around. Him, cold adjacent, Yeah. And like aggrandizing himself. No, he's for sure thing one.

14:35 And then the way that people just sucked up sucked up to him. It's you know, I mean all of us who've been in the content game in the fitness world for a while have stories where people come up to and say, hey, your content meant a lot to me at a time that was difficult in my life. It really you know, it was kind of a lifeline. I identified with things you said or who you were or whatever, and that's great. And then you you just say, you know, you feel good a little good about yourself for a minute, and then you move on and you don't make it your whole personality. Yeah, you know, if you're if you're halfway saying. You think the ick for me is broken down into two pillars. It's how calculated it was, which is fine, right business life being calculated. It's good right having a plan in executing, but it's the it's the calculation of a scammer. Yeah, and even on let's even say base level.

15:28 Let's say he is a change demands from GenZ, the base level steroid scam where he's lying, staring folks in the eye. Spending twelve thousand dollars a month. On logan Paul was chis and now they should have let his rent go further. They just let the rant barely. But he's pissed. He's like, bro, you looked at me man the man in the eye and told me you know you're lying, Like it is true, Like you're fucking again. It just feels like an eighteen year old talking like you're forty five. You're gonna go on. At that point was probably top ten cats in the world. Impulsive and even still they do obviously very well. And you're just gonna just spit bullshit, you know, and just not care, just not care it sucks. And yeah, again, like let alone, how many kids are watching, how many seventeen year olds he's got just fucking go and eating cowcok on Friday, just insane, insane activities.

16:25 And if you're a particular kind of influencer, you don't even have to be lying about steroids. You could be telling the truth one way or the other, and all the other behaviors are shady as fuck. Yeah, I think, you know, I think the steroids only bad in this case because he lied about it, so, you know, so confidently and for so long. Which is everyone again, which is ninety percent more people talk about their steroid use, and some, in my opinion, talk about it too much and turns into promotion really quickly. Right, But there's still obviously a huge gap of people that are using to making sureless pictures again talentless, and then building a following and selling shit based on pure looks.

17:07 But it's just yeah, it's just how he went about it. And then again like to me, and you can call me a hater all you want, but he just seems completely talentless. They even showed the very first shot of the thing. He's pulling a f four P fifty with a brace on, right, he's doing like a sledge track. Yeah, and his homies are pushing the trush in the track. Yeah. And I'm not saying he's not a bad ass, you know, like, yeah, he's probably walked him out with one hundred pound kettle bill shit that I don't want to do, and probably couldn't do. Yeah, he's probably done some physical activities that are very difficult, but like he's not like actually lifting that much. I've seen him squat you know, maybe squat's four hundred, maybe bench three fifteen. You know, you got that much juice through you should be some kind of an athlete, and then you're faking half of them. Yeah, like if and that's why, you know, shout out to guys like Larry Wheels and even Bradley Martin and some of these other ones that got hate back in the day for doing like gimmicky ish things. At least they're real athletes and they're not using fake plates. Yeah, like Brad's fucking strong. Larry's clearly strong. He's done on the platform, But like Brad's a strong dude too. You know, like at least there's that string of somewhat authenticity with those type of guys and liver King there's, right, Like why do you lean towards a certain athlete or rap or whatever.

18:27 Often it's because there's like some kind of authenticity or YouTuber, some kind of authenticity, like you said that you relate to whether it's a good time, bad time, or even just in general Oh, I like that dude, because he looks this way, he dresses that way, and he's into this, and I'm into those things. You know, there's something like besides liver King, like to me, he's more of a meme than a content creator. But it seems like and maybe it's because we're two in this and maybe it's a documentary. I don't know, but it seems like a you know, they made it seem like seventy eighty percent of his followers were fans. Were in my head, it was like, seventy eighty percent followers are just the long for the meme. Oh. Possibly, but I don't know what's real because obviously he's selling products, so like some people are buying.

19:09 Yeah, but I mean theoretically he was selling product before. What I didn't see is like what kind of sales increase happened when he became this big thing. And then there was a little bit about there's like a twenty five million dollar lawsuit from his like a class action of his customers who felt like they were lied to. Yeah, fraud, Yeah that works. But like we didn't get any of that at all. And I think another structurally, one of the big problems with this thing is that there was way too much set up and not enough coverage of the fallout, Like you were talking about the different clips from different people, Like there could have been more of that, and they could have put him more. They should they should have shown his people who eventually were you know, willing to say negative things about him and not work for him anymore. Yeah, you know, being more specific and or confronting him. Because the fucking cameras were there, right, I mean.

20:14 Yeah, yeah, maybe they're not Yeah, maybe they're not speakers. That's why I think, you know, that's my why my hypothesis was. My hypothesis is like they build him up, say how awesome he is and grows so fast and companies making a hundred million, and you're right they you know, business wise, would have been cool to know what they were doing before he blew up. And then you hear one hundred million, two hundred million a year, and then like, oh he lied to Logan Paul, and then it's straight into he's already clean. Six months later he confessed. Yeah, six months later, he changed his whole life. Six months later, he's talking to strawberries. Six months later, you know, like just just every he's been a scammer since he was seventeen, admittedly. Yeah, and that's why they put it in there, right, like, cause he's showing that basically since seventeen till now whatever age.

20:55 I'm just saying, forty five, forty five, he's still scamming, right, with steroids and lies. And and then six months all that's cleansed. You're just changed, man. He looks no different. No, yeah, yeah, he lost five pounds. And uh, the Time magazine review points out the fact that he went back on. Yeah, he at some point he admitted that for sure. He said he got back on because obviously if you're juicing that hard and then go to zero, you're gonna feel terrible. So and then he's back on TRT, which is the new you know, that's the new cop out for taking shit, which is literally everyone on the internet, every natty twenty four year old instagrammer claims TRT. I'm like, you're twenty fucking four. Yeah, and supposedly you work out and supposedly you eat healthy, you don't need TRT Like that's there'll be three percent of folks will need it, right because of genetics and you know, messy and all these people fucking needed hgh because they were message five three at eighteen or whatever. You know, like, yes, there are some real, you know, indocrine issues, but every instagramer has got adam in twenty four. Like, you're just all such fucking liars. I just don't understand why, Like how big is your ego that you gotta lie about shit like that? And clearly liver Kings's through the fucking roof. Yeah, you know, like it's all all of this is pure ego driven mania just to be popular. Yeah it sucks. Yeah,

22:27 it just made me feel so grumpy because it's a He's an accumulation of the downfall of social media. Everything that I hate about is the fitness space and social media. No, he's literally encapsulated in this guy. This this movie is about what's wrong with social media. And I'll be seeing guys who are like kind of new on the scene again to us because we've done it whatever a long time, right, a long time, yeah, literal decades from then, and have friends that have done a decades and we're friends with some of the new guys. You know, it's not like I'm just old grumpy you get off my porch, guy, But like, because I'm friends with somebody JP and other people to come up in New Times lean Beef Patty. I think some people are doing social media wonderfully. I forgot who it was. I think it was literally last night too. I'm scrolling around and someone's going off about how social media is now you know bad. I'm like, bro, it's been like like, you know, as soon as people knew you could start to make Buco bucks, you know, and you're starting to get love from fans, all the ego driven come and then when the ego driven come, they're going to do anything else. Same as Hollywood, right, Like people say Hollywood's scum, Well why because you know it's how you got rich and famous in the nineties.

23:31 So it's going to take a certain personality to move from Oklahoma to LA to try to chase that dream. And then the top percent of those egos make that dream, and then of course the industry is going to be scum and we're just stuck there. He's just so yeah, he's gross. He's gross. And they talked about it a little bit that like once you reach a certain level, if you're not able to maintain that, if you're like if your view count or your followers or whatever. It doesn't doesn't stay up there. Then you start to do it more and more outrageous things just to catch attention, right, and that becomes the spiral. You can't, I mean, you cannot sustain that for forever. I've obviously been into streaming since like twenty fifteen sixteen myself, but like streaming's taken off and IRL streaming in particular, people are just logging on the road and how do you give views? You do crazy things or talk to crazy people, and some of them do it great, you know, shout out. My boy Agent. Agent will go to Walmart live and he's obviously very popular, so people are talking to him and he has fun fan interactions that are very innocent, but they're off the cuff because he doesn't know he's gonna meet and right, he's charismatic, so they're fun and funny. Some kids. You know, who's a Johnny Somali, I don't know if you know him, but the other one's Vitally. There's two dudes that are in prison too overseas for disrespecting laws of local government. I think Vitally's looking at six to ten years. Who's an og YouTuber six to ten years in like a Philippines prison, maybe it's Thailand. And Johnny Simali is some I don't even know who he is. I just see clips. But he's another one that it's like in prison overseas because he's

25:02 trying to get some outlandish reaction and it sucks. But you know, this is coming to a pin where I think it was this week at least the first major one I heard about. There was a TikToker who I believe it's a hair salon. There's a couple examples I have right now to talk about exactly the accumulation of all the bullshit we're talking about with pure fucking yeah, a lot real life examples. I think she got a drive by shooting because she was live and she died. Yeah, I saw that she was. She's a hairstylist or whatever, just TikToker and she's just streaming and as far as I know, she wasn't doing anything bad, like, she wasn't antagonizing and she got fucked up. Another one is I'll read the tweet on the on the nose to give an example of how all this is just like, look, man, I don't know what you guys believe in. But you want to call it the devil, you want to call it bad. I just think it's bad, like Steve will do it. Who's one of the right another Mount Rushmore esque guy of content creation for and shout out to Steve, who's been relevant since they took away his YouTube channel and even still remained relevant. And I've been right next to him. I've seen him interact with people, He's worked out in the gym I go to in Vegas, seems and everyone I know who knows him kind, kind man, like a generally good dude. He says, I got twelve cars, eight houses, and an airplane. Yet I'm super unhappy. He just tweets that yesterday I outn't know where damn. And you're like, yeah, man, cause you're surrounded by even if you are a good dude, you're surrounded by fuckheads. You're surrounded by egos, and you're chasing things that just don't matter,

26:33 you know. And I like Steve a lot, again, like I've heard only good things about him, but his content, similar to like a Liver King, is based on nothing, Like I don't believe Liver King's bullshit when he says like, yeah, I'm really just trying to help people, you know, cause like the first thing he said is I'm really just trying to get a million followers. Then the story goes to I'm really trying to help people because I think these tenants are good and they help my kids. Like again, he's just feeding his own bullshit. And I don't think Steve is on any omission, but Steve is a little bit of shock factor type content. You know, he'll chug a bottle of vodka or whatever, very funny, very entertaining. But if you're just chasing things that don't matter, then you're gonna receive things twelve cars that don't matter. You only got one ass, can't be driving twelve cars. And then you're gonna, you know, your ultimate soul is going to receive things that don't matter. You're not gonna feel good.

27:22 Yeah, you know. And I'm not saying that everyone has to go on some Gandhi life mission to be a YouTuber, but you gotta have something in you that moves you. Gotta have you know, again, some some Tony Robbins shit, but you gotta have some kind of real why why do you do this? And it could be as simple as I like to create, you know, in someone like a subbas who likes to filmography, filmography, photography and edit like that could be your mission. But your mission just to get a million followers to eat a fish in a lake head off, you know, to fake pulling a truck like it's probably gonna lead you nowhere. You're probably not gonna feel good. Brian, your fuckhead.

28:03 But what do you really think, Mike? It made me feel so bad. It's been a long time, you know, I don't know. I think just as you get older, you feel a little bit less. Yeah, I know that sounds sad, but you know, like music used to just slap me in the face, like even a shit song, you kind of feel something from a shit song. Now I know a song is good when I feel something right, And like movies whatever, you know, they don't like feel feel rarely right. I need to see Sinners because I heard that makes you feel I still need to see it. Yeah, Carry was saying it was insane. Oh it's really good, and then uh, yeah, you know, so it's a rare piece, which is great, right. Not every piece of art needs to move you, and so no documentary if we watched have I been fucking like felt you know, and this dude just made me so mad.

28:43 He made me so mad, I guess just because it goes against everything I've tried to build. Uh yeah, well yeah, just like. It's so close to. Sensibility is just different. This is why we're not liver King's or as as popular as we used to be back in the day, is that we don't we're not willing to do the performative stuff. I really, yeah, I wish in some ways that I was, but I'm not. I can't see. I don't even know if it's that because like, yeah, I again it's like a hater, But it's not a jealousy. I swear to god it's not because I literally do want to get off the internet in the next you know, three years. Like but but he it's the fact that that the bullshit meter is a ten out of ten and that's the number one winner. Yeah, you know, that's what pisses me off, where like I would much rather have like all these little homies I know that are trying to like teach people how to lift or you know whatever, like the Omars, the Allens, who have had a great success like they deserve that level of success and the barts, but they they don't get it because they're not on the bullshit meter. Yeah, you know, And sure you can blame human nature, you can blame social media, you can blame whatever. I don't know what it is, but yeah, like, why is the bullshit win or even the other Brian Johnson. I told you there's a meme flowing around I got to find about just hating on Johnson's but the Live Forever Brian Johnson. Yeah, again, I don't think that guy's he's he turned fucking weird.

30:06 You know, he's got a weird personality disorder. Especially versus again, those clips of him when he was a tech guy seemed very normal dad, and then whatever he's doing now, something happened. Yeah, Veganism made him crazy, something made him fucking crazy. But like even that guy, like, I just don't think his mission is helping as many people for the level of popularity he gets. But you just got to do dumb, crazy shit to be popular and that sucks. That sucks when like real shit doesn't work anymore. Yeah, where early social media felt like it did the skateboarder guy we covered, Yeah, yeah, he's a fucking weirdo, but he's just trying to teach you how to kick flip. Yeah, you know what I mean, he's just trying to teach you. And the sure there's still some good. I don't want to be all negative. It seems like who knows. It seems like Jimmy mister beasts is a good dude and he's doing cool, big shit right now. People said, who said it? It was some comedians, Like we know, everyone knows in twenty years is Jimmy mister beet is gonna be the villain? Like, you know, in twenty years, something's good at third but you know he's going he's giving people fucking free legs. He's he's curing blindness, like he literally is like that's fucking cool.

31:14 He's literally you know, like I know he's getting paid for the views or whatever, but he's putting in real cash to get real prosthetics and he made like one hundred people walk. Like he's doing good shit. You know, even if it is semi weird and scammy and you know, whatever performative, at least there's a good outcome. Yeah. I listened to a podcast last week. I think it was last week an interview with the head of YouTube talking about mister Beast and some of the other creators there and like it was so politic, but he did say good things about him personally. That's what everyone says. But then you don't know too because you're only hearing it from other top end influencers. And it's a game, like you're not gonna go publicly and talk shit like I do, y you know, because it makes you look bad. Dude. I think they said five hundred mili year. Yeah, a lot of money. Yeah, that's him. I don't even think that's his company, Like, that's him who knows what his company's doing. I think his company's doing billions?

32:09 Yeah, did you watch this one seas? Yes, yes I did. What's your reaction. I felt bad for the kids when when they when they killed the cow. I think it was telling Mike that the older son just looked like kind. Of scared, bro, Look you look scared? He uncomfortable. Yeah, what do they say afterwards when they're like honoring the ground. He's like honor in the ground and the dad's like what did you bring? And like even that stuff, Like again, I grew up in a weird school, Like that stuff doesn't even weird me out. Well weirds me out is the fakeness of it, you know, because I've had It's not just the fake I've been around. You know, I've seen I've had like classmates, parents cry when they see a dead squirrel. And you know, like I've seen all that.

32:56 I know people like that, and and I've seen genuine there's no fucking camra, there's no people. And this lady's crying because squirrel died. She felt that squirrel's pain. You like, I get it, Look you do you I don't feel that, but I get it. This guy sitting there and they're sitting in a circle scene we're back where the cow honored his life. What did you bring? And the kids like trying not to like laugh, they said, like I brought me or something that, you know, my whole self. Like yeah, Like the kid like. Clearly looks like he's like, I'm saying this because I have to. There's a camera on. No, there's a gun that that kid's has a camera like it's sock with it. If I don't get if I don't say this, I don't get my dad's love for his money. I think that's the same scene. They're eating a nut, a bowl nut or the cow nut or whatever, and those kids look disgusted like they've never eaten that before.

33:42 And and the whole setup of that was I might here the whole setup that was fucking gross too. About the whole like, have you checked the freezer stores? You know, how are we doing for meat? So yeah, clearly, like that's your job to keep the inventory of the meat and the testicles and the whatever. Clearly scripted. But then they go out there and it looks like it's the first cattle they killed. Yeah, it was weird how they they set it up where a guy shot it or did he shoot it? Someone shot and they started fucking running after it. I was like, bro, what the fuck is this dude. Some of the early montages were so weird too, Like clearly they're trying to build up the Instagram persona into the Netflix to set it, but like just walking through the forest, you know, in a fucking red cameras that you know, fucking zoomed in, like just so weird. It's just so weird the whole thing. And I'm told we I think we've covered a few definitely, and they are good.

34:33 They're really good at storytelling in general, especially the sports ones. You know, I think we did Malice in the Palace, which is a great story and still very iconic fight in the NBA, and that is just a more interview story, interview story where this one felt That's why, again my hypothesis, this one felt like it was in Liver King's favor. Like Malice in the Palace. They didn't make run our test seem like some angel after punching a fan. You know, they just told it how it was and see semed unbiased. This almost seemed biased to like whip around this story again to six months later, he's cutting melons and thinking whoever he's thinking the melon for the melon? Yeah, I think I told you it kind of like tries to humanize him, Yeah, yeah, make him like more relatable and and he's just not human.

35:19 He's fucking weird. He's rolling around in the mud out there, just fucking he is the smallest strawberry I've ever seen life. I'm not even picking that one up. Bro, Let it grow a little bit. His wife was she fully just took the pill. Bro, She's going she don't care, She does not care. I mean she got the money, bro. Sure, but she also seemed like a dipshit. Yeah, she's just kind of following along for sure. I do feel bad for the kids too, because they did they they kind of seemed like normal kids, Yeah, stuck in this, Like now the camera's on us, Like why is the fucking camera on us? Like I knew my dad was doing goofy shit. I can't wait till we hear how they went no contact with him, you'd imagine, right, And they weren't young, right, Like the one was probably like what right, like fifteen seventeen, fourteen seventeen. You know, they're kind of grown now, like enough to understand what's going on, but it just all felt scripted.

36:11 It kind of reminds me of you know that kid that was like super jacked as a kid, like from the time he was like eight or nine years old. Maybe I don't know. Yeah, I know Tristan who just walked away from it at some point. Oh, Tristan. It was a it was a white kid, yeah, like. Long yeah, yeah, pocket hercules or something. Oh I've heard of that too. Yeah. Yah, Tristan's kind of like that, but he's still in the game. Yeah, Tristan was just like a shout out Tristan. Tristan was like, try to play pro soccer in Europe, but for some reason, and he kind of on screen off screen, he's just like, dude, I just don't like really like food like that, so I always just ate crazy healthy and so he's just always been jacked out of his brains. And then now he like more bodybuilds and he's he's probably like your age now. But I think he went viral and he's like sixteen because he looked like a bodybuilder. Yeah, because he just ate so clean and trained like a pro athlete.

37:03 That's crazy. The Time magazine review is pretty much a must read with this that I'm just gonna I'm just going to read the last three paragraphs aloud here, so bear with me. How do I repent to Johnson Moles in the film? I don't know what comes next. I don't have an answer to that yet. Six months later, though inspiration appears to have struck, he says he plans to open precisely three hundred and two retreats that espouse ancestral living with or without rolllexes. There are more Mia Kolpass for good measure. I want the world to know that I was wrong. I got all of it wrong, he says, by the films, and in between thanking a homegrown strawberry for nourishing him and simulating a baptism, it's hard not to watch this. I can't say that word a moment with skepticism, not least when minutes earlier Johnson had admitted to a criminal past, including illegally printing money and international drug trading. There were a lot more things that didn't make the cuts. As Perman, it was the director.

38:07 It's a crying shame that so many of these late documentary revelations go without proper interrogation, which is my fucking point. That should have been the whole We should have gotten five minutes at the beginning about the setup, and the rest of it should have been a deep dive into what a scumbag is. Instead, we are left with Johnson as an unreliable narrator of his own fairy tale. Ninety nine percent of the fucking truth is what I would suggest to you that I've shared, he insists, and I'm told his words smack more of more raw ble than his testicle dinner. So this is time. Yeah, it sounds like time understands what we understand. Yeah, I could see them buying the bullshit because it seemed like everyone else there bought the bullshit. Yeah, but it's so bad. Yeah, and what is the cut of him talking about his past crimes?

38:55 Yeah, I would rather see that. Well, why why did they do like one story of crimes and then all of a sudden, Yeah, he's eating strawberries just to like because to me, that's more like it leaves you with the y. Yeah, like you better. You're just admitting you've been at criminal for twenty years. Yeah, and then six months, yeah you're a strawberry loving and then retreats. I mean that's just the I mean, really. He's just another scam. Well, he's delayed what the industry's already done, right, the industry has always been, you know, twenty ten to twenty fifteen, we're like, oh wow, I could remote coach, So you become an online coach to actually help people. Then everyone does it because they see it's easy money. Then you go into oh my gosh, it's all about consumables, so then you make a supplement company. Twenty fourteen to twenty eighteen, every motherfucker made a supplement company. And then now what are they doing. They're doing some kind of life in person alpha male retreat coach because now you can charge ten grand for three days of work, right Like, he's literally just showing the evolution of online's scammer. Yeah, he's just delayed. He's just five years behind. I hope no one goes bro if there you take one thing from this podcast, don't go to one of his fucking retreats. Man.

40:04 I've seen some retreat shit on my timeline right now, and it's just so ridiculous. It's so ridiculous. It doesn't it doesn't make any sense. Let's, uh, let's rate this thing, and then I want to to get to one other issue that you and I have talked about a little bit. So I don't know of any way other to rate this than with bull testicles. Wasn't there real studies storry to interrupt? Wasn't there real studies that even showed like a regular cooked ass New York strip, like a normal human meal, has nearly amount of nutrients that you need compared to like this liver. Like you know, like I'm sure there was, and if there wasn't, who cares. Yes, there's just no way, Like a big ass side of broccoli in a New York strip doesn't give me what I need versus a bull. And the testosterone thing the wife's talking about eating nuts to get testosterone is totally debunked, that's for sure. Like that means you give a blowjob and all of a sudden you're getting fucking you know, Christ Swallowers, not the spinners, are getting more fucking jack gains. Yeah, that's just absolutely insane. You eating nothing to get in that? Like, what the fuck are we talking about? She literally is eating a nut saying like, well, I need to stosterone too, Like, I don't think it works that way, lady.

41:16 Yeah, if you need testosterone, it's probably that your body is making it, because women do have testosterone and whatnot. And even that likestron flows through your body, not all men. Stroone just sits in my nut. Yeah, and to think that it would survive a trip through your. Gut, Yeah, you're gonna absorb that test like we know that doesn't work. Yeah, yeah, brainless. Oh my god, all right to the to the to the rating point, back to both testicles. How many bull testicles would you give that you want to do? You want to actually let's let's split it into Yeah, one for the subject and one for the execution. Yeah, so like the subject and all that is like, yeah, like a negative one, like fuck that guy, fuck this whole thing, fuck a scam. Like now we're just like promoting scams and trying to make them look nice. Yeah, you know, we're putting a bow on, in my opinion, like a shitter. In terms of execution. Yeah, it's like a a documentary style. It wasn't Untold's best by any means.

42:14 I just don't think it was as as concise. The timeline wasn't as good they clearly, We've talked about it many times, like for a documentary, you need the subject, which they got right. They got the fun, the exciting subject, but then the actual execution was you know, mediocre at best. So even for that, maybe like a two eight. Yeah, And it's hard to differentiate my shitty feeling afterwards because it is it just feels so scammy, well because it's scammy beyond like they're showing you the scam, right, the whole movie is about showing a scam, but I know there's a scam to the scam, right, That's why it feels gross. Right, Like I've seen other crime stuff and they're telling you about their past and now they're in prison or you know, murdered documentaries or whatever, and that makes you feel like not good, but you understand, like, all right, justice was done. Either they're in jail or they've actually changed. But I know this is just a bow a scam, bow on a scam.

43:09 Yeah. See bess Uh, I don't honestly, if they agree, I'll probably just give it a three. Uh. They could have done a lot better if they probably if they would have went into like the criminals criminal fast then just talked about that made it maybe made it like thirty minutes longer just to talk about that and then not give it the the ending that it got. Yeah, I didn't really like the ending. The ending sucked, yeah for me. For for this, for the subject, it's it can't be more than a one one one testicle, he sucks. Uh. And in terms of the execution, I can't go more than about a two and a half because of the way that it was constructed.

43:49 It does seem scammy on its face. It does seem like a rehabilitation a misguided rehabilitation project. Yeah, that's why it feels like such a are stunt, Like my original hypothesis. It feels like that marketing guy has a director friend or yeah, he's a user friend. He's that he might not be he might not actually have a title. That means he's still working for him. Yeah, but he may indeed still be working for him as a consultant or something and not have and not disclose that. Yeah, we were like they own yeah, a bank account together or something shit. Some something, I don't know. It seemed it just doesn't seem because, like. We said, even honest, even when the homies like condemn him, they don't really yeah, you know, they kind of say, like, dang sucks Brian steroids.

44:34 Yeah, I'm a little bit. I'm upset that I was. I was fooled. Yeah, I thought we were closer than that. He could have told me about a steroids. It's like, does this guy close to anybody that isn't performative? No, no, no, you don't get any sense. You don't. You don't. His relationship with his wife seems performative, his relationship with the kids seems performative, His relationship with his with the people shooting his ship seems performative. Running his company Performative. You know, it's just it's just so unreal. When and the whole marketing team puts the whole responsibility on him too, right, Like bitch, as you were just as involved. Yeah yeah, like one, your naives shit if you think he's natural? Yeah, and then two like you even if he isn't it? Like to me, it's just as bad, eh, almost just as bad to be on steroids, lie about it to sell a supplement as it is to fake pull a truck to show your performance. Yeah right, that's like lifting with fake plates to sell a pre workout.

45:28 Like that sucks. That's a scam, that's a lie. And his whole marketing team wrote that up. They wrote that script to push the truck to make it look like he's pulling it. Like, you're just as lame, you know, like yeah, is that illegal or are you the total devil for doing that? No? But like you're lame, You're fucking lame. Yeah, And I mean I would say it's probably I mean, if if he's laying it off on the supplements that he takes or the lifestyle that he promotes, and he's getting money from that somehow or another, including actually just money from from the social media right part of it. Right, it's it's fraud. It's just fraud. Like you don't have to say, like I only pulled that truck because of ancestral supplements for it to be fraud like your everything, Like marketing is more complex than that.

46:11 This is the top of your funnel, and we know the bottom of your funnels to buy this shit supplement, Like, yeah, you're lame. Yeah, yeah for sure. So that's where I am with it. Get fucked, Brian Johnson. Fuck Brian Johnson. Okay, So the other thing I wanted to cover real quick was we've been talking about the marketing of the live performance of World Strongest Man. And it's a TV show and they like they set reset, they get you know, we need crowd noise here. Just it just it's just like going to see it like I went to Colbert in January. It's the same kind of thing for that, except that Colbert knows how to how to pack the stands. Yeah, because they don't charge anybody.

46:53 Yeah, and that genius. They've done these kind of shows for seventy years. Yeah, and they've always stuck to that model because they know it works and you're gonna get people that are excited to be there. I mean yeah, and I mean for some for some really hot shows, it's it's hard to get tickets or whatever. And when you when there's a show like Colbert where they produce a lot of them, then you know they have to pull people off the street to fill out an audience. But in reality, like most of the people who were there already got their tickets. Online prices right or whatever, those fuckers are stoked to be there. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Uh, a worst hoist man doesn't do that. They were charging. They did, suppose, I mean as far as we know they did. Besides this one, right because we went free both times.

47:40 The last time that they were here, they were charging for the stands yeacause they didn't they didn't try to block off the area. I think they stand. Yeah, they had a VIP tent. Yeah, and then they had a stand on only one side though I think. This was three sides, two sides. Yeah. The one before there was at least at least a football field of gap you could hang out in and clearly see right, and there was there was a giant crowd. This was it was very hard to see you. They had, you know, temporary fencing up with the privacy screenshit on it so literally you had to stand up above it so you could see if you wanted to see it. Was two hundred bucks for VIP tickets.

48:20 Yeah, I think even eighty bucks for a shit in the stand. And again, like going to the past cool ones like Venice Beach, it looked like people were just making a semicircle on the beach. And I don't even necessarily think they have for it has to be free, but don't make it so expensive that if somebody is going to travel to see it, right, they're going to have to spend it also an arm and a leg to get into it. Was it two hundred bucks an event or even a day? It just seems crazy. I think it was a day because even that, right, there's two events a day. Yeah, they're in like an hour long. Why do you. Feel like you have to make money off of the crowd. Well, like yeah, and I do understand monetizing every inch of your business, but like we covered a long time ago, the Lakers kind of created sports entertainment. You could argue, right, and and what do they do and what do they do at every single place. Now, Like, all right, you're paying thirty bucks to sit in the upper deck in the NBA. And yeah, I understand there's eighty two games and it's different or forty games if you're at home.

49:21 I understand that's different than one World Strongest many year, but let's just bear with me. Thirty bucks, you're sitting in the upper deck. You're getting fucking T shirts thrown at you for free. You're getting a two hour long sports game, longer if it's baseball, longer if it's football. You're going to halftime show of a B list celebrity, you know, like I saw Motel Jordan, you know, I got dude sings Legit hits, you know, for thirty bucks. And so now you're going to World's Strongest Man. You're spending eighty dollars. You're seeing one hour an event or maybe two one hour events separated by six hours where you have to like find some shit to do in between. And because you're the audience, you're also performing. Right, You're getting yelled at one to clap, and again, who knows, we'll see come Christmas when this thing gets released fucking twenty months from now. I bet you the stands are kind of empty and it looks silly.

50:11 I saw that. Yeah, I saw the the natural Stone medley of the Ultimate Winner when I was over there, and like they're gonna have to seriously sweeten up the cheering because like he was a first time competitor. Yeah, they're called the full House for the rights of the clap track. Yeah, and they're they're aiing people into the stands or something. I mean they legitimately should have just done that to start. Yeah, man, yeah, exactly that if that was the deal or just they could have filled the stands if they if it hadn't been for the cost and for the you know, let's throw up a fence or whatever. It reminds me there's no. Way their cost is that much. Yeah, because like they're working with like the Sac City people, like they probably want that event. You know, like they're finding a way to make this work.

50:59 There is short sighted. It actually in some ways kind of reminds me of and some people are gonna feel stepped on when I say this, but when they try to control the sitelines for video for big parlifting needs, it's like your sport benefits from people in the crowd, Your activities. They do pay per views for some live lifting now, and I'm like, dude, who's going to pay for that? Like there's We're just not at that point. And since we're a community driven thing much like strong Man, like you have to like we already talked about it off air, like the Arnold. I see Arnold fucking pop up on his story like literally four days ago talking about raising his prize perse I believe for Strongman, but for sure bodybuilding at the Arnold, And I do know the Bodybuilding show you have to buy tickets for whatever.

51:52 It's in an auditorium, but the strong Man. So it's fucking sick because it's literally in the middle of the Expo and there's thousands of peace people just you know, ask the nuts trying to watch these guys deadlift on stage. It's fucking rat I remember sneaking in uh you know whatever the epic year was, like Brian versus Store deadlift off and I'm sneaking to the front and the crowd's going insane. And yeah, they bought a ticket to the expo, but even that's forty bucks one and then two. It's in the biggest expo in America, right, and then you get to watch this on the side, and of course the crowd interaction is only going to help the athletes. Imagine being an athlete, you gotta go do your heaviest Atlas Stone. Ever you look in the crowd and there's fucking fifty percent green chairs. Yeah that sucks. Yeah, that fucking sucks. Like it's the one time you have a crowd watching you lift. Ever, no one cares about you or your sport. And then no one's there because whoever's putting this thing on charge two hundred dollars, Yeah, it seems silly. I just don't think we're there yet.

52:53 Find other ways to monetize, Like we talked about, like two hundred bucks should be. You get to meet every fucking strong man, You get a free shirt and they're signing that bitch. Yeah, and you get to go play with the stone after Yeah, you know, you get to go on stage after all. Right, I get two hundred bucks for that. You know, if I'm a dad and my kids just getting to the gym, Yeah, I'm paying that, I'm paying that. But just to sit in the crowd for an hour and get nothing, it just seems weird And again, like money's tight in the world. Strongman fans aren't known to be the richest, so you know, like it's just a grassroots sports and you're trying to take it away from that. Like I know they I don't know, it just makes no sense. I don't know what they're thinking, is like, there's other ways to make money. If you really want to do shit, run run a local strongman meet on the side. Yeah, not only to fill the time, but then you can charge those competitors two hundred bucks to get it because they get to be at the biggest day.

53:42 Right. A regular I don't know what a strong man is, but a regular power lifting meets one hundred bucks for a membership, one hundred and twenty five bucks to compete, right, So two twenty five and you're just competing in a regular ass gym or high school. I could see high level strong men that aren't pros paying two hundred three hundred bucks to go compete in between the World's Strongest Man event and now the crowd's got some shit to watch, and you're gonna make just as much money. Yeah, you get fifty male competitors, fifty women competitors, and they're each paying two ten You built an audience, they're gonna hang out afterwards to watch. They're all gonna buy a fucking T shirt, and they're legitimate competitors to entertain the crowd in between your events, you know, like boom, you're welcome. SPD fucking send me an invoice, you know, Like how much consulting? I made that up on the spot. Like if you put real brain power into this, you can find ways to make it cooler and make the money while making it better. Just charging for a tick in the stands doesn't make the event better.

54:34 No, it sure doesn't. It literally takes away from the event. And there's other ways. Yeah, there's some million ways to go get another sponsor. They have some like barrel company, right cracker or whatever the fuck it's called cracking was it called? They have a knack Knack Knack. They have Knack Barrel, which I think is just like a shipping company. And then they have SPDE like O get a fucking protein sponsor like Metrics used to be. Go get a fucking shoe company, Go get you know, there's a million other companies out there that'll sponsor this thing. Like there's ways to make money. There's ways to make money. And then if if you know, if the illuminati of SPD is blocking other sponsors, like maybe they do another federation so I don't know, that's then make them pay more and then don't worry about money. Right, there is such thing as monopolizing sponsorship. That's great, you know, but then pay up so we don't have the church tickets.

55:23 Yeah, you, your sponsorship has to be at a certain level if you're gonna block everybody. Yes, yeah, yeah, I'm not against that idea, But fucking pay ups so we ain't gotta pay to watch seems silly. Seems silly. Yep. I wonder if they'll announce where they are next. They're gonna take up an option here? Probably not because the church town of Bucks and no one's there, and they're gonna blame the city. They'll blame the fans. Yeah, that's actually that's another part of it that I that I'm disturbed by. They said, how is it? I don't know what the other cities look like, and I mean they're probably with camera angles or whatever, try to try to minimize the fact that it's not not filled out. But for all we know, they didn't charge, right, they did Charleston er wherever, rtal or whatever. One year in between, two years in between you oh, two two in a row. Yeah, they did two in a row here and then two away and then so three years ago though as far as we know, they barely charged, right, Yeah, you could see. Well, yeah we saw, we saw everything we wanted. We saw everything we wanted. There's a mini gate so you don't jump on the thing, and that's it.

56:20 That's it. Yeah, the it was, I mean, really the worst of it is the fact that they tried to they put this privacy screen. Yeah. It just doesn't make any sense. No, it doesn't make any sense. So I don't know. All right, that's all I got. All right, ladies and gentlemen. New episode is every Wednesday. I'm a solid Mike. Where you want to find me, I'm Sebastian. I'm just squaring on I G. I am at the Jim mcdone all the social media. This show is fifty percent the word and fifties just numbers. Fifty percent of that. Facts is a speaker Prime podcast association with I Art Media on the Obscure Celebrity Network. I want to talk to you next time. Well,