Dec. 24, 2025

Scrooged! (1988)| 50% Facts Holiday Special Review | Guest cohost Josh Hajar

Scrooged! (1988)| 50% Facts Holiday Special Review | Guest cohost Josh Hajar
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In this conversation, Jim and Josh discuss the Christmas movie 'Scrooge'd', reflecting on its nostalgic value, Bill Murray's career, and the themes of corporate greed and morality. They explore the film's impact on their childhood memories, the casting choices, and how it compares to other holiday films. The discussion also delves into character development, relationships, and the film's overall message, culminating in ratings and final thoughts.

You can find Josh on Instagram @amazingjrab https://www.instagram.com/amazingjrab/.

Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Scrooge'd
04:02 Bill Murray's Career and Scrooge's Impact
09:49 Themes of Corporate Greed and Morality
17:57 Nostalgia and Family Memories
23:56 Casting and Production Insights
29:55 Comparisons with Other Holiday Films
36:03 Character Development and Relationships
42:00 Final Thoughts and Ratings

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Are in boys all right? For Christmas? For our short

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holiday film Festival, we got Scrooged. Yes, we got a

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scrooge who Josh's share with me and this is his

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favorite Christmas movie.

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This has been a staple of Christmas for me since

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I was a kid.

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I was going to say, so, how old were you

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when you first saw this movie?

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I think it as most I don't know if I

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count as a younger millennial or an older millennial at

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forty three years old, but as most millennials happen, we

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end up seeing a lot of movies that are inappropriate

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for us at a very young age. And I want

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to say I started seeing this movie when it was

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on syndication, when I was in my early adolescents, like

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ten or eleven years old, Okay, and that's when I

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first started watching it, because it was just whatever was

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on T and T U TBS at the time.

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Yeah. By contrast, in nineteen eighty eight, I had a

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two year old, so a little different.

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Yeah, and Sebastian wasn't even it wasn't even conceived, coved.

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Maybe his parents hadn't even met yet.

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Yeah, probably probably. Yeah, did you watch this one along

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with the beast. Did you catch it?

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I'm like twenty eight minutes away from finishing it. Okay, yeah,

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so most of it?

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So most of it? Yeah, Okay, what can I say

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about this movie that hasn't already been said about Afghanistan?

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I love that line. I always have Excuse me, hopefully

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I'm not going to go on a coughing jack here

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and just make the whole thing. Like you know, there

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are shows like people people reading to make you go

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to sleep or whatever I gotta do. I could do

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a whole episode of podcasts or just coughing all the

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way through it to keep people awake. Be a direction run, it,

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wouldn't it.

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I wonder what that you know, the engagement would be.

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I would probably be really high, very high sleep ones. Yeah.

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The sleep ones do pretty well.

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Yeah, I know the sleep ones, the a SMR ones,

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which I'm like gets on my very last last nerve

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or if I cannot do ASMR whatsoever, so that those

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do really well on YouTube. So so if you ever

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want to pivot, maybe there's coughing as MR. Yeah.

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Probably So. The episode did a couple of weeks ago

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with Paul O' need. He's got like a perfect ASMR voice. Yeah,

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like he could do the whisper, he could do all

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of that if necessary. He's just got a great, just

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really even toned voice, not not not monotone, but very

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even toned, really warm quality to his voice. It's like

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Jesus Christ, dude. When we were done, I was like,

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what the fuck is up with with this voice? I mean,

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your your voice is very.

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When I get to not shout, yes, and when I

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get to just relax, yes, yes, this is my voice.

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Yeah, like read a book.

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Yeah, when I'm when I'm out there in Third Street

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and the music's blaring and I'm trying to have conversation

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with everybody, was shouting, some of my voice changes. But

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when I can relax, this is my voice.

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Yeah. You know, sometimes vocal changes happen when people are

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speaking other languages too, Like I I swear to God

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that almost everybody who who speaks English and Spanish their

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Spanish is up a register. I mean yeah, like yeah,

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higher pitch. Yeah yeah, why is that?

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Don't know?

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But but you know what I'm say, I've noticed it

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with myself. Yeah, no i am, I've noticed it with

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everyone that I've ever dealt with who who was bilingual

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English Spanish. Yeah, so uh Screw, which was released in

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nineteen eighty eight. It is a take on Charles Dickens

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a Christmas Carol. It is maybe further afield than any

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other version of this story.

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Yeah, which is what I've always appreciated about it, And

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now that you talk about it being released in nineteen

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eighty eight, I was six years old in nineteen eighty eight,

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and I think I started seeing this movie when it

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was on VHS, so probably around nineteen eighty nine, nineteen ninety, yeah,

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so maybe I was younger.

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It maybe pre Blockbuster, I don't know what time was.

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Yeah, but my dad worked for Pitney Bows for a

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long time, which was a fortune five hundred company, and

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one of the fringe benefits that they had was they

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had a video rental.

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Service in his.

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Company, so that they could go down to like this

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little store and rent the most recent videos. So I

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saw a lot of movies that way as I was

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a kid. So that's also probably why I really love

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this movie, because there was a dad didn't have to

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pay for us well, because there was a point in

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time where my family would just gather around and watch

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what my dad rented on our tiny little twenty inch screens.

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You know, it was tiny TV. We didn't grow up

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with a lot of money in my household, and we

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would just gather around this twenty inch TV from various distances.

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So I'm sure some people in the back couldn't really

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sit and me and my brother of course would be

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sitting like upfront, you know, too close to the screen,

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and we would just watch movies. And this was one

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of the ones I have memories of my family doing.

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This movie came out a couple of years before it

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came out after the original Ghostbusters and a few years

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before Groundhog Day. Yes, Groundhog Day and this movie have

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some similarities.

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Yeah, they do. And Bill Murray was trying to get

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away from being just a comedic relief and I think

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this was his very first role that he really tried

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to really dabble.

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In that there was a movie that he did. It

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was a remake that was a straight drama that didn't

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not do well. I can't remember the name of it.

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I can probably find it if i'd stand by for

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a moment I look this up. It was.

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Also I do have to say that Ghostbusters Frozen Empire

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was not as good as the Ghostbusters before that one.

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I didn't see Frozen Empire. So the one before that,

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which was fine.

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That one was really good.

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Ghostbusters Afterlife, it was fine. It had an interesting cast.

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They brought in you know, a Stranger Things guy, yeah,

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and Paul Rudd and Paul Rudd and the Never Ages.

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Yeah, and Frozen Empire. I think they just kind of

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really missed the landing on it.

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It was Garfield, Garfield, Yeah, that was yeah. Have you

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he was in Charlie's Angels That didn't make any sense.

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Charlie's Angel He's.

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Clearly in some roles that were just for the money.

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That's a really good one.

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Kmpaign's a crazy movie. It is. It is insane. So

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Groundhog Day was nineteen ninety three quick Change if either

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if you've never seen quick Change, it's the same story

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as the Denzel Washington movie Inside Man. It's exactly the

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same story, just one is a comedy and one is

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a drama. Oh okay, it's definitely. That's a good double

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feature for you know, figuring it out. Little Shop of

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Horrors he was I remember that Ghostbuster Razors Edge, Yeah,

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that's the one. Yeah, And you can see that that

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The IMDb reviewers have not been kind to that one's

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a six point four yeah, and not that he can't

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do drama, it's just that it's really hard with somebody

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who's that locked into comedy.

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Yeah, and he's got perfect comedic timing, you know. It's

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especially in the first Ghostbusters movie, he really brings the

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perfect comedic timing to what he's doing. And I feel

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like in this one too, he has pretty good comedic timing.

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He's the one who keeps it funny and going.

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My one of my favorite lines to repeat with really

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both of my sons from Ghostbusters is okay, so she's

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a dog, And it usually follows anytime someone says the

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word okay, yeah, then the completion is, so she's a dog.

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Yeah. My I'd say my favorite is from Ghostbusters too,

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which is not everybody's favorite movie, but it's they go

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to the mayor of New York and they're talking about

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how like the sludge is growing and he's got to

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tell New Yorkers to stop being so unhappy and so miserable.

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And the mayor says, it's every New York's god given

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right to be miserable and I'm not going to take

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that away from And that's just like perfectly sums up

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when you go into New York City in the winter

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and you're walking and you know you're on the streets,

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nobody looks happy. It's no, it's cold. Everybody's got a

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walk or take the subway to work or the bus.

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I will be there in early January for using my balls.

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So that's that's definitely one of my favorite lines. Yeah,

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but my favorite, one of my favorite lines about the

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Mayor is in the first movie is uh, yes, it's true.

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This man has no dick.

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Yes, it's true. That's Bill Murray. That's his that's his

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perfect commedic time.

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Well, I was just reading in the trivia that a

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great deal of his lines in this movie ore ad.

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Lib which which is surprising because I think Richard Donner,

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he directed this, and he's not exactly cyber director to allow.

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That he's not and he and he said Bill Murray

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says he was told to do that, and Richard Donner

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says that it was almost impossible to control Bill Murray.

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I imagine it would.

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So I was probably the truth is probably somewhere in between.

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But like the kind of the most famous person for

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that would be Robin Williams and he made, you know,

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a great dramatic movie of Dead Poets Society in which

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a lot of what he said was ad lite, but

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they were able to like corral him enough to get

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like the you know, the heart forward and supposed to

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as opposed to just being comedic all the time.

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Yeah. And I think in this one, Bill Murray does

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a really good job, especially in the beginning of the movie,

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of showing how much of like a absolute ass he

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could be as the you know, the executive in the

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television station was at IBC they were calling the International

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Broadcasting Company. And again that I love the the beginning

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of the movie where he shows the the Christmas special

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that he's working on. Yeah, and it's like so intense

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and violent and u and then they're like, oh, grandmother

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collapsed and died from this preview from a heart attack.

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He's like, you can't buy you know, carry publicity, like

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bi publicity. You like that. Yeah. So I think he

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just really just plays a great message of like the

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uncaring executive here. And it's it's funny because it kind

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of feels like whereas in the late eighties where we

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had so much of that, like that's when the first

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wave of like very serious corporate America and stocks and

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bonds and you gotta make money and all these things.

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Was Wall Street, Wall Street, Yeah, and gret is good,

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Greed is good. And they made a movie called Wall Street.

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You remember, Yes, And instead of watching the movie and

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being like, wow, these guys are complete dickheads and you know,

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like this this uh, they a lot of young men

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at the time watch that movie were like that, that's

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exactly what I want to be like.

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And the end result of that is also Wolf of

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wall Street.

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And the end result of that as Wolf of wall Street.

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And again, people saw Wolf of wall Street when it

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came out in the early twenty ten, they didn't get it,

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and they said that that's the guy I want to

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be like. And the movie is about a guy who

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loses like his entire like goodwill and life and happiness

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because he's just chasing money all the time, yeah, and

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doing a bunch of drugs. But there's never it never

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fails that these things go in circles where they're like,

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I want to watch this movie and that's what I

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want to be like.

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Yeah, almost like like Stephen Colbert and the Colbert Rapport,

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where everybody thought that he was not everybody, but a

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lot of people thought he was actually conservative, which he

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is not. It was a parody on very right wing people. Yes,

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he was being satirical, Yes, just not getting it.

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was wondering when I was watching this. We have politicized

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the idea that you are allowed to act like Frank Cross,

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like if you have the right as an executive or

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as a corporate person to act like Frank Cross. And

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anybody who tries to take that right away from you

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is on the opposite end of the political spectrum and

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they are bad.

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Well. And you know furthermore that you have to or

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that you have to yet to be successful, you have

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to be an asshole, have to be an asshole.

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Which so I wonder if they would even make this

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movie in today's day and age, because the message of kindness,

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goodwill towards men, God bless us everybody, all that kind

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of things is so is shown as politically polarizing. Yeah,

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so would they make this with being afraid that a

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very large segment of the population wouldn't watch it and

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wouldn't appreciate the message.

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Well, I have to say that that There hasn't been

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any rumor that I have heard about of them remaking it, so.

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I hope not.

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I think honestly, one of the best versions is The

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Muppet Christmas Carol.

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Yeah, which is another one of my Christmas movies. That's

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an awesome that and a Christmas story. But this one

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became my favorite just as a kid because I just

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started really watching it in syndication over and over and

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over again. It was always on every Christmas. And then

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as I got older, I started really understanding the message.

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I was like, oh, this is the message here about.

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One of my favorite Christmas movies is not as a

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movie that was not very popular but actually had more

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or had some Actually this has This movie has a

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bunch of SNL people, people who were currently on previously

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on On in the future on SNL. That it had

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both Dan Aykroyd and John Belushi. Is nineteen forty one.

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I don't know if I've seen that one, Okay, seeing

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a lot of people haven't. Steven Spielberg directed it and

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it's about the West Coast getting attacked by the Japanese

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in World War Two in nineteen forty one. Yeah, and

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you know post post Pearl Harbor, and some of it

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was some of it was possibly true, and some of

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it is entirely made up. But it's just this crazy, crazy,

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crazy movie. And for whatever reason, I love it the

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way you love this movie. I love that movie. I

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don't know why.

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Yeah, it's just it's you. You get these movies, they

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bring you memory. I yeah, there's nostalgia pieces to them,

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and and that's what this movie pretty much is essentially

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to me.

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There's a scene that I always think about in nineteen

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forty one where Dan Aykroyd is in a tank on

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a street in downtown LA and I think he's gotten

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knocked in the head, and so it didn't knock him out,

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it just made him loopy. And he takes a woman's

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like silk stocking and pulls it over his head with

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two oranges in it, and so the oranges or eyes

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and he says, I'm a bug, which has always just

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cracked me up for some stupid reason. It's just it's

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one of those movies that doesn't really make a lot

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of sense. Yea, And it has, you know that it

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has that family vibe that that you makes you think

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a little bit of Christmas story. But it also has

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some just bizarre ass special effects. And and and John

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Belushi being the most unhinged fighter pilot ever.

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Yeah ever, yeah, and and and I think this was

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something I noticed in this movie too, is that in

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HD it looks pretty bad. It looks effects the scene

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where his the scene where his former boss comes back

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from the dead and he's like, you know this decaying Yeah, yeah,

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whatever zombie thing. Yes, and he holds him outside of

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the window and then his arm starts to fall apart.

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You can just it looks it looks like rubber.

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It looks like foam rubber.

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Yeah, it looks like foam rubber.

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Yeah, it's pretty pretty bad, Which is crazy because this

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movie was directed by Richard Donnerd who directed There's Christopher

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of Superman, Yeah, which had really good special effects. Yeah, yeah,

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it was. It was great. But I mean, I guess

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you don't really control the budget of of these things,

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you know, like what you what money you're given. Your

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only control what you can pay for with that budget.

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Yeah. And I guess too, you know, did they really

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want to invest a bunch of money into a movie

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that was just retelling the story of Scrooge in a

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different way? And do they really want to spend a

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bunch of special effects money on what's going to be,

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you know, essentially a seasonal movie that they're going to

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show during the Christmas season, and that's going to be well.

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I mean, you hope with making a holiday film, especially

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back then, is that it gets it becomes part of

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the part of the zeitgeist for holidays.

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Oh yeah, that it becomes a classic.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if there's anybody

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else out there who feels this way about the movie

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that I do, but I do know that it was

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something that along with you know, like die Hard along

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we talked about that, along with the Muppet Christmas Carol,

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along with the Christmas Story that just replayed on Christmas,

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even Christmas Day, when the networks pretty much we're like, okay,

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our staff is going home for the holiday and now

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we just we're just going to it's just going to

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run the movies over and over and over again. And

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this was one of the ones that they did that with.

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I can't really remember any other ones that I would

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sit down and it would be on the TV when

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I was finally done opening My.

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Presence, the very classic English one that everybody Loves to

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Hate and I'm and Hates to Love. I can't remember

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the name of it at the moment. Was it something

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that came out in the eighties or nineties, nineties? I'm

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not sure. It'll come to me.

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Was it that there was like a romantic one, Yeah, yeah,

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I can't remember the name.

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Of Yeah, what's his name? Snape, isn't it? And and

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Emma Thompson and I haven't.

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Seen that movie in forever though, it's been such a

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long time.

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Jesus Christ, it'll come to me.

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And now they have so many Hallmark movies.

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Yeah, follows and it's the same movie with different people.

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With different people that it's like, you won't get that

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cross section that we had in the late eighties, early

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or even I would say this was being shown and

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repeatedly on TBS in the early time.

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Oh yeah, I'm sure it was the you know, like

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a formulas for success in anything. This is the sort

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of take notes or whatever this is in The Secret

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is a Thing and a thing. Yeah, And this is

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like classic literature and comedy smash together.

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Yeah, which is screwball comedy, which is what makes it,

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I think, which is what makes me appreciate it. And

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then there's this, there is some drama with his relationship.

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There is some drama with him, you know, initially learning

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his lesson a little bit, but then not along the way,

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and then you know, he gives it a speech at

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the end.

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Yeah, this this cast speaking of the of his girlfriend.

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The cast is crazy. And I had forgotten the whole

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bit where you see the beginnings of their relationship and

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all that stuff. I'd forgotten about that that period. It's like,

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what the fuck happened to him? Karen Allen, who who

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played Marion in the Raiders of the Lost Arc is

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his girlfriend. H John Forsyth, who was a soap opera star,

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and I think he was like a critical part of Doubt. No,

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it wasn't. It was Falcon Crest, maybe the spinoff of Dallas.

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In the eighties. John Glover played Lex Luthor's dad in

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Smallville Bobcat gulf Waite. It plays the most fucked up

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character by by by the by the plot. He is

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just fucked by the plot the whole time, looking incredibly

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young and not really even not in Bobcat mode at all. No,

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like he's more like this now than than he was

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when in his heyday and he's he's a director now

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more than anything else. David Johansson, who was like a

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Saturday Night Live musical staple. Carol Kine, who is currently

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in Star Trek's Strange New Worlds. But the voice that

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she does in this is so spot on to Simca

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from Taxi he played she played Andy Kaufman's girlfriend. Oh

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that's right, Yeah, it's spot on to that. Robert Mitcham,

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who was like one of the one of the best

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known actors of the fifties and sixties. Alfrey Woodard speaking

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of Star Trek, Yeah, First Contact. She was like one

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of the major characters in First Contact. Jamie Farr from Mash,

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Robert Gouley from Being Robert Goulay, Buddy Hackett, one of

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the like vaudeville comedians that survived into the into the

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television and movie era. Yeah, that just you know, this

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is kind of a restraint performance for him. He was

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always just crazy.

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It is. And then Lee Majors, who is in the

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beginning of the movie as the you know, the protagonist

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for the very violent Christmas film that Bill Murray wants

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to make.

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And John Houseman, right before he died. John Houseman was

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he was like a classically trained actor and stuff, and

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he was I think he either won an Oscar, was

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nominated for an Oscar for a movie called Paper Tiger. Yeah,

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oh no, wait, paper Chase, Paper Chase, which was about

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about law school. Okay, and I think they for a

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while made a series out of it. And remember he

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was in the series or not. But like this was

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kind of his his swan song. But just like a

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giant you know, movie movie kind of cast. And it

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used to the fifties and sixties they made it, and

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some wear into the seventies, like Towering Inferno and Beside

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An Invention and all this stuff had this kind of

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cast where it's like cross section of eras and media

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and whatever.

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Yeah. Yeah, and it was it was cast based on

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what they felt was best for the role. It wasn't

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you know, the heavily heavily heavily negotiated and debated, and

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you know, the film executive, the distribution company exactecutives having

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to approve everything, the production company executives having to approve anything.

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Just the it felt like like back then the creatives

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got to cast who they wanted to cast based on

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who they felt most fit the role and not who

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they felt would draw more audiences in and that this

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demographic would like this person in this demographic doesn't like

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this person, so we have to capture this demographic. It

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also feels like for a long time film was suffering

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from that where they wouldn't cast certain actors because they

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were afraid of which demographic wouldn't come to the movie

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for it. And when I was a kid, it felt

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like they just made film based on what a director's

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vision was. They cast the actors they wanted to cast,

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and then they made it. And that's how we got

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some of our biggest smash hits that were labors of

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passion projects. Back to the Future, Ghostbusters, all these movies

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that made a bunch of money and you could look

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at now especially. I've heard that they study Back to

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the Future in film school. Is like one of the.

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Back to the Future is considered.

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Perfect film because of the plot, the characters, the pacing

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and the way it's shot, all those things. Yeah, so

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I don't feel like we get those anymore because there's

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too many hands trying to tell the creatives what to do.

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That. Yeah, I think that's true that, you know, the

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only the autre driven stuff, you know, guys who have

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almost complete control over what they're making.

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Yeah, which I feel like is only happening in the

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horror genre right now.

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Maybe true. I don't know. I'm not a horror film guy,

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so I don't really even know what's going on there.

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I'm not a big horror film guy either, but I

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see a lot of advertisements for horror films where a

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lot of unknown actors are in them and they live

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really well produced.

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Yeah, I think it's a it's maybe a little bit

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of a coupe to get an actor that well. Actually,

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Ethan Hawk is in that one right now, and he's

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he's on fire at the moment and has been a

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I mean, he's been a Hollywood staple for a really

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long time too. In those God he was in I

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think he was in that Poet Society. I think that

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was maybe, Yeah, he was. So what was the production

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issues then, Well, there were a lot of different versions

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of the script. There were a lot of different there.

467
00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:25.160
There was Uh, let's see if I can find the

468
00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:29.079
note in here. This was Bill Murray's first starring wrote

469
00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:32.599
role since the first Ghostbusters. He's been living in Paris

470
00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:38.799
and seriously considered giving up acting altogether. I Gotta go.

471
00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:43.559
Sam Kinnison was originally supposed to play the ghost of

472
00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:46.319
Christmas Past and ended up going to Javid Johansson because

473
00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:52.240
he was friends with Bill Murray. I'm gonna find the Okay, Well,

474
00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:54.160
this is part of the production stuff. So according to

475
00:25:54.200 --> 00:25:55.799
Bill Murray, a lot of footage ended up on the

476
00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:59.759
cutting room floor. We shot a big, sloppy, long, sloppy movie,

477
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:01.920
so there's a great deal of material that didn't even

478
00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:05.359
end up in the film. It just didn't work. You

479
00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:07.640
tend to forget what was wrong. It's hard. I just

480
00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:11.680
figured that anyone who's good could step into this part

481
00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:13.200
and have a lot of fun with it. It's sort

482
00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:16.599
of a wicked character. The idea of making a funny

483
00:26:16.599 --> 00:26:19.440
Scrooge was an inspired touch. That's what was appealing to

484
00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:20.039
me about it.

485
00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:24.039
And I think this was the first funny Scrooge, like

486
00:26:24.119 --> 00:26:27.599
a Muppet Christmas Carol was is funny. It's funny, but

487
00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:29.920
it's touch at the same time. Yes, it was based

488
00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:34.079
on the original Scrooge story.

489
00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:38.240
Yeah, much more closely than this, and Lane May did

490
00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:41.680
an uncredited rewrite in one night. According to Bill Murray,

491
00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:45.720
Lane May like one of the most famous comedy writers

492
00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:53.839
of the fifties and sixties, Okay, that they just I

493
00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:56.119
don't know, it was kind of it was just kind

494
00:26:56.160 --> 00:27:00.480
of an all over the place production didn't have like

495
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:03.799
an even tone at all. And Bill Murray kept saying that,

496
00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:06.319
or said that Richard Donner kept telling him to just

497
00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:09.400
be louder. So it's like he's shouting half the movie.

498
00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:11.920
Have you noticed that He's like, I think he was deaf,

499
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:14.079
Like I think he could literally couldn't hear me, So

500
00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:16.680
I he had me shouting and as I was shouting.

501
00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:18.519
Yeah, there are a lot of scenes where he's in

502
00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:21.000
it and he's seeming to have a really emotional moment

503
00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:22.599
and he's just shouting.

504
00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:25.799
I have to say that, like the scenes with Karen

505
00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:29.720
Allen are the best in the film altogether.

506
00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:33.799
They have a really good chemistry. Yeah, it's really believable

507
00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:36.759
when they're showing that early version of their relationship and

508
00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:40.160
how they meet and then how they progress and then

509
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:43.160
you know, the ghost of future Past shows them how

510
00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:44.160
they fall apart.

511
00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:48.079
Yeah, or the ghost of Christmas Path sorry Christ Christmas. Yeah,

512
00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:52.839
And I don't know. She was outstanding in Rangers of

513
00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:54.880
the Last Ark. I don't know why honestly that she

514
00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:57.440
didn't have a bigger career than she did because that

515
00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:00.119
was a that was a really defining role. And then

516
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:02.720
they just didn't have her back until there's a mosquito

517
00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:05.920
trying to get to your neck right now, right, Yeah,

518
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:08.519
I don't know how we have mosquitos in here all

519
00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:11.599
the cold, in the middle of winter. It's warm in here.

520
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:14.720
It's it's still, it's still right there, you see it.

521
00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:18.640
It's just it's big enough to be on Mike. So

522
00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:28.200
I was I gonna say, yeah, No, I really thought

523
00:28:28.279 --> 00:28:30.200
that there would be more for her, and they did

524
00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:34.680
not bring her back until the The Crystal Skull one,

525
00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:37.759
which was a awful film. Oh my god, it was

526
00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:40.759
so bad, like and again Spielberg like, figure it out.

527
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:41.119
I don't know.

528
00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:43.440
Yeah, I think we all knew though. I think we

529
00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:47.880
all suspected that any Indiana Jones past the first three

530
00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:49.359
movies wasn't going to be good.

531
00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:51.720
And then I didn't like the second one very much.

532
00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:53.519
But the first and the third great. The first and

533
00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:54.519
the third are great. Yeah.

534
00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:56.799
Did they release another one after the Crystal Skull?

535
00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:00.960
I have, Yeah, I watched that one. It's not as

536
00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:04.039
bad as Crystal Skull. But it's not it's not fifty

537
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:06.640
percent as good as the other ones. Yeah, it's it's

538
00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:10.039
I mean even Temple of Doom is better than that.

539
00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:14.599
Yeah. Yeah, And it's they they really have to get

540
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:18.039
this thing off where they just trying to revive old

541
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:21.319
franchises over and over and over again, trying to beat

542
00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:23.920
a dead horse. Let some newbies come in and make

543
00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:26.839
new franchises that are really popular. It's okay.

544
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:31.519
That's what concerns me about, like rebooting like James Bond. Yeah,

545
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:33.920
it's like, I think we might be done.

546
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:37.960
I think telling James Bond stories. But the thing that

547
00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:41.480
is good about James Bond is that most of his

548
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:45.720
stories are vignettes. So you can tell a completely encapsulated

549
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:48.720
story in one movie and it doesn't have to follow

550
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:50.519
any of the last movies.

551
00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:53.079
It's just another adventure. It's just another.

552
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:55.119
Adventure, right, And they can just can they can cast

553
00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:57.400
to it they want. For James Bond, if they get

554
00:29:57.440 --> 00:29:59.920
a good director and good scriptwriters and good production team,

555
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:03.640
they can tell a whole story in one movie. But

556
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:06.759
with these other movies, especially what's been happening with Indiana

557
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:09.440
Jones and Star Wars, and we were just talking about

558
00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:12.759
the Ghostbusters remakes. They do have to follow a certain

559
00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:15.839
you know, idea for each movie. Yeah, they can't just

560
00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:16.599
start from scratch.

561
00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:21.400
I was listening to a conversation with Ryan Johnson, who

562
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:28.319
they just released on Netflix the third of the of

563
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:32.319
the Knives Out movies. But he was talking about how

564
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:37.839
because he directed everybody's least favorite of the Star Wars

565
00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:41.519
movie sequel, Yeah, and you know it has it has

566
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:43.880
a brilliance to it. And I hated it the first

567
00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:45.359
time I saw it. I hated the second time I

568
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:47.160
saw The third time I saw it was like, oh,

569
00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:50.000
I get the internal logic of this. Now, I understand

570
00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:52.279
what he was trying to say. I don't agree with it,

571
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:54.039
but I do understand what he was trying to say.

572
00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:59.119
But when you when you are working on an established

573
00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:02.279
I P proper, do you like that people want to

574
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:05.319
see the same contours that they're used to. They don't

575
00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:08.640
want to see something different. And he wanted to do

576
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:12.519
something different. Yes, and it's definitely different. Yeah.

577
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:16.599
Yeah. People just want it to remind them of the

578
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:19.799
movie that they watched originally that made them feel so good. Yeah. Yeah.

579
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:22.160
And so when you end up doing these remakes, you

580
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:25.440
can't go too far left field. But if you don't

581
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:27.559
go far enough left field, people say, well, it's just

582
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:29.119
the same movie all over again.

583
00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:29.519
Yeah.

584
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:31.759
Yeah, so it's really hard. So that's why Again, that's

585
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:35.680
why I don't agree with remaking things that are so classic,

586
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:39.960
or giving another sequel to a franchise. I think there's

587
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:43.279
been so many sequels now to the Predator franchise that

588
00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:46.599
were just like on like maybe twelve or thirteen Predators.

589
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:50.759
Have you seen the last two I saw, which was

590
00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:54.480
the last one I saw. No, I saw Prey that

591
00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:55.200
was pretty good.

592
00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:57.599
I heard that Prey was quite good, and apparently if

593
00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:01.039
you like put it in the Navajomo, it's a different

594
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:05.400
it's a different there, different takes than the original, and

595
00:32:05.480 --> 00:32:08.160
it's actually you just have to read the subtitles, but

596
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:08.880
it's actually better.

597
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:10.200
Yeah, I think it was.

598
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:13.720
I don't know, some a native language. Don't cancel me.

599
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:15.559
I'll have to try that.

600
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:18.279
And then I wanted to see the most recent one.

601
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:22.880
But then there was Predators that which was pretty good. Yeah,

602
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:24.720
And then there was the one after that, which was

603
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:29.119
like Predator twenty eighteen, where it was something similar but

604
00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:32.240
something different, and it was just terrible and then you know,

605
00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:35.240
there was I want to say there's seven Terminator movies now.

606
00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:37.640
Terminator two is one of my favorite movies.

607
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:40.119
Of all time. Terminator two is one of the best

608
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:43.119
movies of all times, best action movies of all times.

609
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:45.720
And then there's been I think three to five movies

610
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:49.599
since then, and it's every one is almost worse than

611
00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:50.400
the last. Terminator.

612
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:50.640
Three.

613
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:57.640
Three is terrible Terminator with Christian Bale just as bad Salvation, yes, four,

614
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:02.519
five is Terminator Genesis, I think Genesis, and then six

615
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:04.759
would be the most recent one. Dark Fate. Yeah, so

616
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:06.519
there's four movies since Terminator too.

617
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:08.839
I was okay with Dark Fate the first time I

618
00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:11.079
saw it, I watched it in a couple months ago.

619
00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:14.400
I was like, this is just painful. It's just like

620
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:21.319
it's the pacing is really off. The first twenty minutes

621
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:23.559
is a just a thrill ride, and then after that

622
00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:27.599
it slows down. It slows down, and it's punctuated by

623
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:32.119
these like incredibly violent scenes, but it's not I don't know.

624
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:34.400
And then they try they tried too hard to play

625
00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:37.559
with you know, time and all these other things. So

626
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:40.000
it's it's just time to put it down, let it die.

627
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:42.160
I think, you know, I think it's fun to do

628
00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:45.400
to be able to like revisit scenes from a particular

629
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:48.519
movie in the past and see how and Genesis did

630
00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:51.200
a lot of that. Yeah, there was like an absolute

631
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:54.680
recreation of one of the scenes from Terminator in Genesis

632
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:59.079
and Back to the Future two where you see the

633
00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:02.400
opposite side of the same scenes. Yeah, thought that was

634
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:03.039
pretty cool.

635
00:34:03.319 --> 00:34:04.440
That was really cool.

636
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:09.000
I think you have just to think of Back to

637
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:11.679
the Future one and two as being kind of one

638
00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:14.840
movie and then the third one with the fun. Yeah.

639
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:17.199
The third one was not well liked at all.

640
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:17.360
No.

641
00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:20.599
I remember as a kid waiting for the second movie

642
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:22.800
so eagerly. We saw the first one in theaters, we

643
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:24.960
were going to see the second one in theaters, and

644
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:27.079
we were so excited to see the second one in

645
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:29.760
the flying cars and yeah, yeah, and that, but that

646
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:32.679
was I think that was planned as a see as

647
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:35.599
like a two movie, and then the first movie and

648
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:37.079
the second movie made so much money, they were like,

649
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:37.960
let's make a third.

650
00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:41.199
No, actually, the second movie and the third movie were

651
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:43.119
filmed at the same time. Oh they were, Yeah, they were.

652
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:45.519
It was a conjoined production.

653
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:46.480
Oh I didn't know that.

654
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:50.280
Yeah, ok, yeah, the the third one was just not

655
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:53.280
just not very good. In the end, they kind of

656
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:57.000
run out of ideas. The weirdest thing though, was that

657
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:07.519
Marty's the actress that played Marty's mother played his father's

658
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:15.480
great grandmother because they wanted her in the movie. But

659
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:18.519
there's no logic to that at all, because she looked

660
00:35:18.559 --> 00:35:20.480
the same. She looked just the same.

661
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:22.440
They kept them all looking the same.

662
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:27.440
Yes, yeah, it was not you know, that's a that

663
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:30.039
was a really interesting production. I think we've talked about

664
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:36.760
it a little bit. But back to the future in

665
00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:42.119
terms of like learning a life lesson, Groundhog Day is

666
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:45.679
a far, far superior to this, Oh definitely. Yeah.

667
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:50.400
Yeah, But I think it's like the gist of both

668
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:52.480
movies that he made, and I think this was kind

669
00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:55.440
of like the beginning of trying to give that message,

670
00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:59.159
which was the real true path of life is service

671
00:35:59.239 --> 00:35:59.599
to others.

672
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:00.239
Yeah.

673
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:02.880
Yeah, And so in this movie, he's like a very

674
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:06.440
extreme version of his character in Groundhog Day, who's very

675
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:09.800
like uncaring and arrogant, but he's like just a weatherman

676
00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:13.360
from a local this new station. This movie, he's a

677
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:14.559
very wealthy executive.

678
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:17.559
This movie is the reason why I was nervous to

679
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:20.119
see groundhog Day, Yeah, because I was afraid it was

680
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:22.960
going to be the same kind of kind of frenetic

681
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:29.440
like goofy whatever, And it's not. It's just highly polished.

682
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:32.800
It's it's another one of those like perfect films.

683
00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:35.440
Yes, the Groundhog Day is definitely one of those perfect films.

684
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:37.800
And the crazy thing about it is that it's it's

685
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:41.199
still very loved by most people to this day, whereas

686
00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:44.559
Scrooged is just you know, it's this Christmas phenomenon that

687
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:47.159
they have a lot of people love. But most people

688
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:50.840
I know really adore groundhog Day. And it ended Harold

689
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:53.880
Gramis and Bill and Murray's friendship. Yeah, they had been

690
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:56.119
friends for years. They had worked on many projects together.

691
00:36:56.920 --> 00:37:00.920
And because Bill Murray wanted groundhog Day to be very

692
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:04.400
serious and not comedic, almost very little comedy, to not

693
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:06.920
comedic at all, and Harold Raymonds was saying, no, we

694
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:09.320
can do a good mix and people like this movie,

695
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:13.679
they pretty much disagreed and didn't speak for decades because.

696
00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:17.519
Of it, which then is the possibility that although he's

697
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:20.079
very cool and shows up at bars and bios people

698
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:22.519
drinks and all that stuff, to this day, Bill Murray

699
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:24.280
might be a little difficult to work with. It might

700
00:37:24.320 --> 00:37:26.199
be a little difficult. Maybe it's just a little bit

701
00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:28.599
difficult to work with. Actually, I've heard plenty of those stories.

702
00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:32.760
See best you have impressions on this one. I like it?

703
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:34.000
You like it? Yeah, I like it.

704
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:37.119
Literally when I was I didn't see what year came out.

705
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:39.039
I just knew it was older. And when I was

706
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:41.920
like listening to the music, I was like, oh, this

707
00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:44.119
is this is eighties in the.

708
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:45.440
Eighties, that's true.

709
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:47.239
And then I was like watching it, I was like,

710
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:50.480
I like how it looks like the way, kind of

711
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:52.519
like the way it was shot. I like the comedy

712
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:57.239
in there. I think it was the ghost of the Present.

713
00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:01.880
Her scenes really good, like how she was kind of

714
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:04.880
treating him like that part. I think overall it's a

715
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:05.599
pretty solid movie.

716
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:08.480
I need to finish it. So so Carol Kane, the

717
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:13.639
actress who played Goes to Christmas Present, there's a scene

718
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:17.039
in which she grabs Bill Murray's lip. She grabbed it

719
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:19.199
so hard that they couldn't film for a few days.

720
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:23.599
She tore like the skin of his lips. Oh no, yeah, yeah,

721
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:26.280
not good, not good, not good. And she was super

722
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:29.880
uncomfortable having to be so physical with him. According to Trivia,

723
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:31.760
Yeah and I get that.

724
00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:36.159
Yeah, doesn't seem like they had it's done, Coordinator.

725
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:39.599
It kind of seems like they did. Yeah, maybe they did,

726
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:42.719
but I didn't kind of look that up, but damn.

727
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:48.599
Yeah. This is one of those movies too that doesn't

728
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:51.440
necessarily go subtle with its message.

729
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:53.559
No it's or anything at all.

730
00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:56.519
It does kind of beat you over the head with

731
00:38:57.159 --> 00:38:59.480
you know, this is the message here. And he's just

732
00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:02.719
such a old, uncaring person and you know he's so

733
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:06.039
he's so cruel, and he after he sees the ghost

734
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:08.480
of Christmas Present, he ends up going back to visit

735
00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:12.480
with his girlfriend at the homeless shelter, and then you

736
00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:14.840
could see he's learned absolutely nothing at all, and he

737
00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:17.000
shouts at her about how you know, these people could

738
00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:19.199
take care of the turkeys. Just come with me and

739
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:22.400
we'll be okay, we'll be happy, you know, hire better people,

740
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:24.639
and she's like they're all volunteers.

741
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:26.039
Right, right.

742
00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:28.800
So it's and that's another scene where he's like that

743
00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:31.920
the screaming things make sense. He's like where Richard Donner

744
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:34.000
was telling me to be louder. Because he ends up screaming.

745
00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:36.519
Her before he walks off, which is weird.

746
00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:37.920
Yeah, which is really weird.

747
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:41.960
Especially like it really doesn't align with his intent, no

748
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:42.920
at all.

749
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:45.320
His intent was to go back and rekindle things. Yeah,

750
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:47.599
and then he just ends up with screaming, cruel person.

751
00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:51.119
He just ends up still being an ass.

752
00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:59.159
Like it is interesting that she she responds to the

753
00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:03.320
the the voicemail that he leaves after he's visited by

754
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:06.519
his former business partner, his his Jacob Marley whose name

755
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:12.000
wasn't Jacob Marley in this his panicked message to her

756
00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:15.320
that like, even though they split up the way you

757
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:18.159
saw them splitting up, where he's just not interested in

758
00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:23.239
in in following through on commitments that he made for her.

759
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:26.719
He was more interested in you know, I don't know.

760
00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:29.679
I mean, like that'd be a tough choice anyway, though, honestly,

761
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:33.559
I mean they didn't make it easy at all, because

762
00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:39.840
it was essentially between going out with friends for around

763
00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:43.199
around Christmas or a holiday thing or actually was Christmas eve,

764
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:48.000
Christmas Eve, or going off with the head of the

765
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:54.119
network and his girlfriend and to Palm Springs or wherever

766
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:55.039
they were going.

767
00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:59.079
Yeah, the park. It was the head of the network's mistress.

768
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:01.920
It wasn't just his girl, Yes, it was his mistress.

769
00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:02.880
His wife was busy.

770
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:05.159
His wife was busy, so he was taking his mistress,

771
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:09.639
which is, you know, pretty sketch when it really comes

772
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:12.199
right down to it, I guess. But yeah, I mean,

773
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:15.960
but but like when when you know that something will

774
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:20.920
advance your career, it is difficult to even if it's

775
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:21.679
a little sketchy.

776
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:26.320
Yeah, yeah, but I think that's that's another part of it.

777
00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:28.239
That's like where they're clobbering you over the head with.

778
00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:30.159
A message, Yeah, that would go out.

779
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:32.480
You could go out with your friends for Christmas, or

780
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:34.639
you could go out with this you're gonna make money.

781
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:37.519
But this guy has no morals or ethics. He's leaving

782
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:38.760
town with his mistress.

783
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:41.960
It could it could have been a little bit more

784
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:44.679
clear cut in terms of like what kind of a

785
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:46.960
decision that you would make if you were career minded

786
00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:52.320
but also concerned, what kind of there was no like

787
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:58.000
middle ground I guess for him, And you know, I mean,

788
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:00.360
shit happens. So sometimes people have to go do a

789
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:03.119
work thing and and you just don't show up. But

790
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:06.360
are you you know, give your regrets or whatever. But

791
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:09.320
that's not what happened there, and she's like, I think

792
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:11.000
we need to split up for a while. I think

793
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:15.119
we need space, all right, And apparently that's stuck.

794
00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:20.400
But I will say I really enjoyed the the sub

795
00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:23.360
story of his assistant and her family.

796
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:26.119
Yeah, and that was that was a really good that

797
00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:27.920
seems like it was coming from a different movie and

798
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:29.119
could have been a different movie.

799
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:31.719
Yeah, it did it. That could have been a movie

800
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:32.159
on its own.

801
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:34.039
The whole that whole plot, Yeah, the whole thing could

802
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:39.159
have been when they decorate the the get up Christmas tree, yeah,

803
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:41.199
because they can't afford a Christmas tree.

804
00:42:41.440 --> 00:42:43.639
Yeah, And she's showing him this, she's showing him and

805
00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:46.840
then she says, what does she say to him? Grossive

806
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:51.079
Christmas present? Says she was like, oh she did you?

807
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:53.440
Did you know her husband died? She wore black for

808
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:56.679
a year And he's like, oh no, I just think

809
00:42:56.760 --> 00:42:58.719
that was the color that was in fashion at the time.

810
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:02.119
Yeah, that was a fashion choice, fashion choice.

811
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:04.079
Yeah. So it's just that that whole part of it

812
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:05.519
was one of my favorite parts of it.

813
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:07.840
And then she started pressing them for to give her

814
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:08.480
a raise.

815
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:10.119
Yeah, to give her a raise to make more money.

816
00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:14.119
So she could afford a tree. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's

817
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:19.280
that sticks pretty close to the original, the original screws.

818
00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:24.000
Yeah yeah, which is it's again, it's funny because we

819
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:27.119
see in our culture right now, everybody is so insistent

820
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:30.199
on you can only say Merry Christmas. If you say

821
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:33.800
happy Holidays, then you're it's some of how a problem.

822
00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:36.079
There's a war on Christmas. There's a war on Christmas,

823
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:40.079
right But then we also have had for centuries because

824
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:42.719
how old is the Scrooge story, the original screw story,

825
00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:47.320
to say, so for centuries or over a century now,

826
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:50.599
we've had this story about Christmas and the spirit of Christmas,

827
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:53.360
and we've had it in films, and we've had it

828
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:56.360
repeated to us that the spirit of Christmas is giving

829
00:43:56.679 --> 00:44:00.599
and caring and goodwill towards men. But then that message

830
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:04.880
is also controversial, having empathy for your fellow human being,

831
00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:08.360
it's controversial. So you're supposed to just say Merry Christmas.

832
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:11.480
But there's no spirit of Christmas in that Merry Christmas.

833
00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:13.440
The people who insist on saying Merry Christmas.

834
00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:19.559
So I actually thought about also doing It's a wonderful life,

835
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.880
but I will save that for another year's thing. It

836
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:25.760
is not an upbeat movie. That is a dark, dark film.

837
00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:26.840
I've actually never seen it.

838
00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:29.159
You've never seen it is a dark film. It is.

839
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:33.360
It's supposed to be a Christmas movie. That's probably my

840
00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:37.199
favorite Christmas movie honestly. But it's very much about the

841
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:45.360
war between between between capitalism and socialism. Oh, that's right

842
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:48.639
at its core, at its core, that's what it's about.

843
00:44:48.760 --> 00:44:51.639
That's what it's about. Yes, and especially because from what

844
00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:53.559
I understand, you know, by the end of the movie,

845
00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:56.119
it's like everybody helps the person who's.

846
00:44:55.960 --> 00:44:58.280
Down on his luck the most because he's helped them,

847
00:44:58.360 --> 00:44:59.199
because he's helped them.

848
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:02.800
Yes. Yeah, So again it's it's all these well loved

849
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:06.880
Christmas stories with the message of Christmas being helping people,

850
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:10.440
but somehow helping people has become controversial.

851
00:45:11.239 --> 00:45:16.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And a thing about I didn't realize

852
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:19.719
until I watched it again and looked at the trivia,

853
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:22.679
but that Jimmy Stewart. It was the first movie that

854
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:27.960
he made after being a bomber pilot in World War Two. Oh,

855
00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:30.360
I didn't know that's what he had done. And what

856
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:33.639
you're watching in real time is him processing his PTSD

857
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:37.920
from knowing that he killed people by dropping bombs on them.

858
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:40.639
Wow, that's right. I'll have to give this a watch.

859
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:42.360
I've heard it's one of the best Christmas movies.

860
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:47.519
It is so when you see his emotional scenes realize

861
00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:53.079
that he's not so much acting as he is as

862
00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:59.079
he is having a Catharsis, it's like, yeah, I didn't

863
00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:01.519
I mean watching it with this time watching it and

864
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:04.679
knowing that going in, it's like, oh man, this movie

865
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:05.719
is really sad.

866
00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:09.079
I wonder if there was anything like that and scrooged,

867
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:11.239
because at this point Bill Murray was at the height

868
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:13.760
of his career. Right. Ghostbuster was a huge movie. He

869
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:16.320
was its most he wasn't its most notable star, but

870
00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:19.280
people remembered his lines from the movie the most. And

871
00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:21.000
so I think that's where he got a lot of

872
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:23.559
his arrogance to begin with. So I wonder if when

873
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:26.599
he was acting this movie out as the arrogant executive,

874
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:29.320
if any of it registered in his mind of his

875
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:32.400
behaviors as it difficult to work with actor.

876
00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:36.679
Maybe so, actually, I need to look up when he

877
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:38.719
did when Stripes came out.

878
00:46:41.079 --> 00:46:42.719
Oh, that was another one I saw as a very

879
00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:45.800
young kid. Bill Murray was was really he was he

880
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:49.159
was huge. Saturday Night Live did Wonders for him. Yeah,

881
00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:52.440
and then it was Ghostbusters and Stripes were not back

882
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:54.239
to back. But I do want to say though, he

883
00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:57.000
I hope you give some credit to John Candy because

884
00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:00.440
John Candy was a big part of his career as well,

885
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:02.400
you know, and John Candy was a huge.

886
00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:12.679
Actor back then. Yeah, yeah, he was thermography just search

887
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:25.280
don't make it go eighty one. Yeah, so Stripes was

888
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:26.599
before Ghostbusters.

889
00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:27.280
Yeah, it was.

890
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:32.239
Stripes was great, It was great, but it was like

891
00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:34.639
two movies. It was two movies, the same way that

892
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:36.360
Full Metal Jacket is two movies.

893
00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:41.239
It was two movies. But John Candy carries a lot

894
00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:43.760
of that movie. Yeah, yeah, he is. His comedic timing

895
00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:47.320
and his acting just natural talents were just full on.

896
00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:51.519
Yeah yeah, that and trains, plants and automobiles.

897
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:56.199
Yes. Yeah. It was almost guaranteed that if you released

898
00:47:56.239 --> 00:47:58.840
a movie with John Candy in it at that point

899
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:00.800
in time, in that streak, that it was going to

900
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:02.800
be a comedy hit, and it was going to be

901
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:05.679
because of him. And there was one what was the

902
00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:09.519
one he did with mccaullay Culkin, Oh, I can't remember,

903
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:10.719
Uncle Buck.

904
00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:12.280
Uncle Buck yes, uncle Buck.

905
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:14.519
And that one actually was supposed to be like more

906
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:17.639
of like a family oriented comedy film because you know,

907
00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:21.199
McCauley Culkin's in it, and this is after Home Alone.

908
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:24.239
And actually I watched it again as an adult and

909
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:27.199
it's still pretty funny, is it. Yeah? Back then they

910
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:28.800
made it and I didn't think it was that funny

911
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:30.679
as a teenager, but you know it's still it's a

912
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:31.599
pretty funny movie.

913
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:35.039
Wow. Yeah, all right, Well it's time to do that

914
00:48:35.199 --> 00:48:40.360
rating thing, and I think maybe we'll rate this one

915
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:46.639
on obviously foam ghost hands.

916
00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:54.000
Wow. So for me, because the nostalgia factor and just

917
00:48:55.639 --> 00:48:58.480
I think when when the the the young boy at

918
00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:00.760
the end says God bless us everyone. Yes, that's a

919
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:04.159
moment that just that'll get the that'll get me emotionally.

920
00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:06.519
Every year I've watched this movie almost every year since

921
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:09.079
I started saying it was my favorite movie. And every

922
00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:11.800
year he says God bless es everyone, and I get emotional.

923
00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:14.039
So I want to give it a four.

924
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:18.920
Okay, says I was gonna say a three five, three five,

925
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:21.679
and you finish it. Maybe if I finish it, you'll

926
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:22.800
get you'll get all the way to four.

927
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:27.679
I I have to go lower. I'm sorry, it's okay.

928
00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:29.599
This is this is about a two and a half

929
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:33.960
movie for me. It's just it is. It could have

930
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:38.159
been really great and it's kind of a mess. And

931
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:44.440
I think that that that's unfortunate. Yeah. I mean even

932
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:47.800
even like the you know, with the quality of the

933
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:49.920
TV sets and all that kind of stuff, you know,

934
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:54.000
that was that was all fine. It just it came

935
00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:57.840
together just really oddly. And the and it's really part

936
00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:01.039
of it is the shouting thing. It's like this character

937
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:05.280
like when when if you're if you're playing a character

938
00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:08.320
that has high emotion, you kind of have to start

939
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:10.559
low and then you work up to it and then

940
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:12.280
you back down and you work up to it again,

941
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:14.400
and you will higher and back down. And you know,

942
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:19.000
normally the dynamism of the of of a of a

943
00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:25.159
character like this is fluid, and this is all just

944
00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:28.199
up here, yes, And it actually sort of comes down

945
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:30.880
toward the end and then pops back up at the

946
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:34.360
very end when he's again shouting, and it looks like

947
00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:35.880
a telethon, you.

948
00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:41.679
Know, it looks like a telethon shouting about the Christmas message. Yes, yes,

949
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:45.400
And he's speaking directly to the audience that.

950
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:49.920
That looks like, what's his name who did the telephon

951
00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:55.760
for years and years and years? Oh my god, I'm

952
00:50:56.719 --> 00:51:00.480
uh Jerry Lewis, Jerry Lewis. Yeah, it kind of had

953
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:03.360
a Jerry Lewis quality to it, Yeah, except he wasn't singing,

954
00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:06.039
except that Bill Murray can sing sort of, so yes.

955
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:08.559
Yeah, and he breaks and because he's supposed to be

956
00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:13.039
speaking to the television, like because he interrupts the live broadcast, right,

957
00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:16.639
he breaks the fourth wall way breaks fourth wall, Yeah,

958
00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:19.199
which I can understand as a movie that where you're

959
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:22.840
supposed to suspend your disbelief with the Scrooge message and

960
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:26.639
some of the terrible cgi and practical effects that that

961
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:29.440
can really pull you out of the suspension of disbelief.

962
00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:32.400
And Bob cap Gulthwaite has to go into the control

963
00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:34.880
room with a shotgun to keep them from cutting him

964
00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:41.360
off because he's been promised a c sweet job Yeah yeah,

965
00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:43.719
or something, or at least a VP job. Yeah.

966
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:46.639
Yeah, I get it. I get it. It's sometimes it's

967
00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:49.760
not the easiest thing to do when it comes to

968
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:52.639
suspending your disbelief for a movie. Yes, And then they

969
00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:54.159
break the fourth wall at the end.

970
00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:58.840
Yeah, yeah, all right, that's what I got for this one.

971
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:05.599
Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas. I'll say all of them. When

972
00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:07.880
I say happy holidays, I mean every holiday at this

973
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:08.280
time of.

974
00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:11.840
Year, So you know, Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas everybody.

975
00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:14.280
And thank you for having me here, Jim, It's really

976
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:16.519
great to be It's always great to have us on this.

977
00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:18.280
How where can people find.

978
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:22.960
Josh Amazing, j rab Instagram, sebas.

979
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:25.559
I am Sebastian underscore brand Blon I G I.

980
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:27.599
Am at the Jim mcdiana on those social media This

981
00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:29.480
show with fifty percent of facts. Percent is a word

982
00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:32.360
and fifty is just numbers. Fifty percent facts of the

983
00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:34.480
speaker of my podcast, association with our media on the

984
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:38.239
Obscure Celebrity Network, And very likely the next episode will

985
00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:43.079
drop in January because I'm going on vacation later