The ethics of combat sports? | Topic Thunder

0:06 Hey, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another topic Thunder, where we take your questions from discord and we also have topicals and we'll cover them in five to ten minutes as quick as possible. This just popped in my head and it made sense because I was listening to a debate on the Internet between two content creators and one was kind of going on and I mentioned it before about like UFC and casual fans, but people, some people think the UFC is megabarbaric, although there's tons of rules and it's evolved. You know, if you go watch UFC one or Pride, like there's no rules, like people are just dying, you know, like there's no weight classes, they're on steroids. You can kick people while they're down, you're kneeing them in the back of the head, and shit, tons of rules have made clean that up. And some people think fighting is like like the first sport ever or something. Right, Like, there's running, there's picking heavy shit like oh, Bay, can you pick up that rock? I can pick up that rock. There's running, and then there's and then there's gladiator ship, which is obviously like slaves, so that brings a whole other ripple into it.

1:03 But these guys are choosing to fight. Why is it that like that? And I'm probably gonna sound bad saying this, but I don't really care. Why is it that we allow like two humans to fight. I guess because they can choose. I just answer my own question. But long story short is why don't we have like animal fights? Like why is that so forbidden? Michael Vick on this, No, not necessarily, Michael Vick, like your backyard ship, But I do think, like because I think Gladiator days they would have that, they would have human versus lyon, or they'd have the gorilla, they'd have grizzly bear versus lyon. Because they're like, you know, we still have bull fighting? Yeah, right right, you can stab a bull with the sword, and I understand the tradition, and you know, I'm not here to judge any of it. You know, who am I to judge? But yeah, that's totally legal to fight a bull with a sword, or even fight a bull and just like avoid it or ride a bull that they're that bull is obviously not in a good mindset.

1:52 If you guys have watched bull riding, like they pissed that thing off somehow. Yeah, like how is that humane? And that's American because because the other one you could say, like, oh that's Europe they do their own ship or tradition. I think that was just Spain. Do we do it here? No, that's what I'm saying, but bull riding. My point is here, they're pissing that thing off somehow. They're not feeding that thing a good dinner. And you know what I mean, because he's coming out of that cage fucking pissed. Period. They're fucking with it right, Yeah for sure, for sure, And that's all cool and like yehaw and then yeah, like vic stuffs obviously crazy, but I do think like exotic animal fights would be kind of cool, like lion versus I mean, like we're talking about Josh Emmon and congrats to him on his big fight, but like that's brutal what he did to that guy. Yeah, like that's not healthy.

2:36 No, And obviously he's consenting, and we consider a human able to consent and a grizzly bear not. Yeah, for sure, I get that point. I guess they're just just instinct. I think, yeah, I just I don't know why some parts of it are okay and others are not. It seems like it should either be all okay or not okay, and probably on the not okay side. Yeah, And I understand if you make the division by like mammal, this bug insect. I understand that division, but like you said, it's all over the place. Yeah, because if we did ant fights or mice fights, people probably wouldn't bat nine if they have them on a they go, yes, mice versus like a bug or that's someone in their backyard. That's not like a professional I'm throwing down two point two manis versus a ransom. Yeah, Like so insects, right, I do understand the differentiation there, like brain size, intelligence, Yeah, all that scoping all the way up where they're saying, like you know, dolphins and octopus even dogs. I think I think they say dogs accuse are not IQ necessarily, but like intelligence ish is like a two year old human, right, so then an octopus is like an eight year old and a pig Like, there's some really smart creatures out there, So yeah, I just don't get it. Yeah, the bullfighting is a really good example.

3:51 We're literally just stabbing that thing in the heart with the sword hunting, and I understand most people eat it, but some people don't eat it. And again I'm not the judge. I'm I'm kind of for it all. Yeah, Like imagine a TV show that's literally the gorilla versus a bear and you just eat them in a ring like that's entertainment. I mean, it's been an internet to bay for twenty years. I probably that's probably not something I would watch if it was going on. And I don't watch like bull riding or any of that stuff either, So I don't bull writing is a little boring, but I watched the shit out some UFC. I don't necessarily watch like i'd probably Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, bull fighting's weird. Some shorts on them sponsorship Blue Corner now, but betting on it would be crazy. Horse riding seems inhumane. I mean I don't really some horse people are gonna come for me, like, hey, spanking, it doesn't feel that bad. But like again, like, yeah, if we allowed some dog racing, Yeah, I've been to those Florida. Yeah, it's kind of cool. That was a little less to me because they're not like getting slapped in the ass, they're trasing a bunny. Yeah, you know that feels like some of those animals are like it. I don't know that it's the race that itself is the issue. I think it's the preparation. I think that's true with horses because they, yeah, they're injected with steroids and shit, and they're getting caught and they're not getting caught. I mean with horses, the chances of injury, you know, are pretty significant, because like, if you're a horse and you get significantly injured, they're just gonna kill you. Yeah, they're not. Actually, Yeah, horse racing seems worse than dog racing. One I am a dog fan, but two, uh, the money involved in that world is insane, right, some of

5:25 those horses are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, where like dog racing is so backyard Florida shit, where they're like greyhounds chasing a bunny around a track. It seems more innocent to me. Yeah, the steroids, the injuries, the spanking the fuck out of them, the money. Whenever there's money on the line and then there's humans involved, she's gonna get corrupt, absolutely right. We're like, I don't know if those dogs, those dogs you can adopt afterwards, like for free. I have a friend who Yeah, my mom wants a greyhound so bad or retired racing. My friend has. She lives in Maryland. Greyhounds are good dogs. But yeah, it just seems the line is so blurred. I wonder if other countries have that ship. Chicken fights, Yeah, cock fights, and that's what they're called. It called cock fights. They're not called chicken fights, they're not called foul fights. Well, it's because they're the roosters, not the Yeah, not the hens. Yeah c A w k A U okay because us he's huge, a bare knuckle, bare knuckles fucking brutal. I think that ship's only happening in Florida. I don't even think Nevada Commission cond of But those motherfuckers are still breaking hosal bones everything, slap fighting, crazy nuts. Those guys are all getting seizures. Yeah, and it's in the midst of like CT being popular. I don't even get that, Like that just seems like a bad I did shout out boy Nikki Rod. I did watch Niki Rod on UFC Fight Pass, which is cool. It is cool Dana even though it's not Dana, but it's still Dana White. Is like trying to make other

6:58 sports cool with money and shit. He said he gets more impressions than he's a genius bro. Power Slap he started to push because of the Internet. Uh, purely because of the Internet impressions really because of the clips. It's his clips to pull people into UFC. So many clips. Yeah, those clips go harder because like you can't predict the knockout and shit in like the UFC, and sometimes there's whole cards without something crazy happening, but a power Slap something is guaranteed to happen. And he literally uses it as like his first portal of this marketing funnel. I got to do it on the right less than fun slaps. And those guys weren't making any money, right, they're doing in their backyard, So you pay them a hundred bucks put some lights on them. Yeah, I'll the points. Like there's no competitions right where like UFC, they're like the PFL is big. You can obviously go to Bare Knuckle, Like there's other options for even MMA like Ryan Gordon and Nikki Rott, Like they're making six figures plus being a jiu jitsu artist, Like there's options place like Gordon Ryan, I mean that fool is making so much money on how to videos and shit, like there's legitimate money in these stuff, but not in power slap yet. So it's the cheapest marketing acquisition.

8:03 Just smart because yeah they're doing jiu jitsu, they're doing something else too. I forgot get Larry Wheel on that slap fight bro celebrities that I thought about because celebrity boxing is so big right now. Celebrity or like content creator, slap boxing would be the genius because you can't you can, but you don't need to train for it. Yeah, like you if you take two YouTubers and they're trash athletes, right, which probably ninety percent of them are, right logo type, Yeah, those are the two that kind of were good athletes, but the rest of them aren't. But you try to make them all fight. They're always trying to make like different call of duty kids fight and then go through a training boxing camp. But if they're non athlete, but you but you you have them do a slap box. Everyone knows that a slap let's get oh right, how good would like a legitimate slap I mean you can't do a homie because you really like some of those dudes are pissed Bruce. I don't think those guys. Yeah, you need some drama, you need some of the drop that would Yeah, you need some ship like that that would go mega viral. So tune in for thursd Street Slight. I don't know if our insurance covers that. That's what you do, dude. They let them fall. Sometimes they have like a spotter behind them and you have to hold the pad behind it. Sometimes they eat ship.

9:18 Yeah, I'm like, bro, catch my boy. Yeah. I wonder if they have like a padded floor so you you hit the back of your head on a full drop like that, you're gonna get fucked up. Actually, that brings up a point that's probably probably could do a whole episode on this, But so what I follow on on social who's a usa pl lifter commented that, uh, somebody backspotting deadlifts is bullshit and shouldn't happen because most of the time when people are falling down, it's they're faking because they missed their lift. Interesting. I think that's complete bull I've seen I've seen people fall down and hit their head in the natty. Yeah, it might be more common in the natty world because your blood pressure is a little different.

9:58 There's a less there's less options to pass out. I think that guy just doesn't strong enough. But then even still, like someone faking it could get fucked up, and then like, what's the harm of one person being there? Yeah, there's no net negative. That's actually a thing about social media that has been crazy people bitching about things that do not affect them in any way at all. Especially like so I would understand if no, like if we're at a level of powerlifting where there's no spotters anywhere, Right, we have machines or futuristic shit. I understand, right, because you're trying to but we already have six guys spotting squads. But yeah, what's the harm of one guy? One guy? Yeah, and they don't they don't intervene unless the person's going down. Yeah. I have seen recent meets within the last year where there's been no backspot in people of even if they're stumbling, you know, just catch them or whatever. I was surprised that at big meats or medium level meets, I made it to social media media where they had no spot on deathlas makes no sense. It's the easiest way to spot too, it's the easiest spot like. It's not really weight dependent.

10:58 It's not that much size dependent, although a bigger person often can catch better. But you know, you got ogie back there, and then you have a super heavyweight. I'm still catching people. We're better catching him than one thousand pounds squad for sure. True hundred packs. Yeah, all right, that's it working. People find you, dude, ship go on ship farting. I was gonna say that studied and I lost what I was gonna say. I thought he was pooping first. Yeah, so like when that happens, you just continue to get it, get it out focus. Yeah, OnlyFans, only, only fans, all right for s P dot c O for all your apparel of these ladies and gentlemen. Stay tuned for maybe a big Boxing Day sale that may or may not be coming, which is the day after Christmas, which is weird because it's not that much talked about.

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