The ethics of combat sports? | Topic Thunder

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Hey, ladies and gentlemen, welcome
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to ten minutes as quick as possible. This just popped in my head and

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it made sense because I was listening
to a debate on the Internet between two

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content creators and one was kind of
going on and I mentioned it before about

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like UFC and casual fans, but
people, some people think the UFC is

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megabarbaric, although there's tons of rules
and it's evolved. You know, if

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you go watch UFC one or Pride, like there's no rules, like people

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are just dying, you know,
like there's no weight classes, they're on

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steroids. You can kick people while
they're down, you're kneeing them in the

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back of the head, and shit, tons of rules have made clean that

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up. And some people think fighting
is like like the first sport ever or

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something. Right, Like, there's
running, there's picking heavy shit like oh,

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Bay, can you pick up that
rock? I can pick up that

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rock. There's running, and then
there's and then there's gladiator ship, which

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is obviously like slaves, so that
brings a whole other ripple into it.

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But these guys are choosing to fight. Why is it that like that?

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And I'm probably gonna sound bad saying
this, but I don't really care.

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Why is it that we allow like
two humans to fight. I guess because

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they can choose. I just answer
my own question. But long story short

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is why don't we have like animal
fights? Like why is that so forbidden?

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Michael Vick on this, No,
not necessarily, Michael Vick, like

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your backyard ship, But I do
think, like because I think Gladiator days

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they would have that, they would
have human versus lyon, or they'd have

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the gorilla, they'd have grizzly bear
versus lyon. Because they're like, you

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know, we still have bull fighting? Yeah, right right, you can

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stab a bull with the sword,
and I understand the tradition, and you

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know, I'm not here to judge
any of it. You know, who

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am I to judge? But yeah, that's totally legal to fight a bull

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with a sword, or even fight
a bull and just like avoid it or

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ride a bull that they're that bull
is obviously not in a good mindset.

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If you guys have watched bull riding, like they pissed that thing off somehow.

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Yeah, like how is that humane? And that's American because because the

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other one you could say, like, oh that's Europe they do their own

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ship or tradition. I think that
was just Spain. Do we do it

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here? No, that's what I'm
saying, but bull riding. My point

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is here, they're pissing that thing
off somehow. They're not feeding that thing

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a good dinner. And you know
what I mean, because he's coming out

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of that cage fucking pissed. Period. They're fucking with it right, Yeah

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for sure, for sure, And
that's all cool and like yehaw and then

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yeah, like vic stuffs obviously crazy, but I do think like exotic animal

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fights would be kind of cool,
like lion versus I mean, like we're

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talking about Josh Emmon and congrats to
him on his big fight, but like

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that's brutal what he did to that
guy. Yeah, like that's not healthy.

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No, And obviously he's consenting,
and we consider a human able to

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consent and a grizzly bear not.
Yeah, for sure, I get that

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point. I guess they're just just
instinct. I think, yeah, I

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just I don't know why some parts
of it are okay and others are not.

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It seems like it should either be
all okay or not okay, and

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probably on the not okay side.
Yeah, And I understand if you make

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the division by like mammal, this
bug insect. I understand that division,

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but like you said, it's all
over the place. Yeah, because if

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we did ant fights or mice fights, people probably wouldn't bat nine if they

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have them on a they go,
yes, mice versus like a bug or

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that's someone in their backyard. That's
not like a professional I'm throwing down two

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point two manis versus a ransom.
Yeah, Like so insects, right,

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I do understand the differentiation there,
like brain size, intelligence, Yeah,

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all that scoping all the way up
where they're saying, like you know,

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dolphins and octopus even dogs. I
think I think they say dogs accuse are

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not IQ necessarily, but like intelligence
ish is like a two year old human,

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right, so then an octopus is
like an eight year old and a

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pig Like, there's some really smart
creatures out there, So yeah, I

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just don't get it. Yeah,
the bullfighting is a really good example.

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We're literally just stabbing that thing in
the heart with the sword hunting, and

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I understand most people eat it,
but some people don't eat it. And

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again I'm not the judge. I'm
I'm kind of for it all. Yeah,

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Like imagine a TV show that's literally
the gorilla versus a bear and you

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just eat them in a ring like
that's entertainment. I mean, it's been

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an internet to bay for twenty years. I probably that's probably not something I

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would watch if it was going on. And I don't watch like bull riding

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or any of that stuff either,
So I don't bull writing is a little

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boring, but I watched the shit
out some UFC. I don't necessarily watch

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like i'd probably Yeah, I don't
know. Yeah, bull fighting's weird.

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Some shorts on them sponsorship Blue Corner
now, but betting on it would be

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crazy. Horse riding seems inhumane.
I mean I don't really some horse people

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are gonna come for me, like, hey, spanking, it doesn't feel

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that bad. But like again,
like, yeah, if we allowed some

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dog racing, Yeah, I've been
to those Florida. Yeah, it's kind

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of cool. That was a little
less to me because they're not like getting

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slapped in the ass, they're trasing
a bunny. Yeah, you know that

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feels like some of those animals are
like it. I don't know that it's

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the race that itself is the issue. I think it's the preparation. I

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think that's true with horses because they, yeah, they're injected with steroids and

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shit, and they're getting caught and
they're not getting caught. I mean with

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horses, the chances of injury,
you know, are pretty significant, because

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like, if you're a horse and
you get significantly injured, they're just gonna

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kill you. Yeah, they're not. Actually, Yeah, horse racing seems

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worse than dog racing. One I
am a dog fan, but two,

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uh, the money involved in that
world is insane, right, some of

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those horses are worth hundreds of thousands
of dollars, where like dog racing is

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so backyard Florida shit, where they're
like greyhounds chasing a bunny around a track.

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It seems more innocent to me.
Yeah, the steroids, the injuries,

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the spanking the fuck out of them, the money. Whenever there's money

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on the line and then there's humans
involved, she's gonna get corrupt, absolutely

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right. We're like, I don't
know if those dogs, those dogs you

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can adopt afterwards, like for free. I have a friend who Yeah,

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my mom wants a greyhound so bad
or retired racing. My friend has.

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She lives in Maryland. Greyhounds are
good dogs. But yeah, it just

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seems the line is so blurred.
I wonder if other countries have that ship.

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Chicken fights, Yeah, cock fights, and that's what they're called.

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It called cock fights. They're not
called chicken fights, they're not called foul

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fights. Well, it's because they're
the roosters, not the Yeah, not

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the hens. Yeah c A w
k A U okay because us he's huge,

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a bare knuckle, bare knuckles fucking
brutal. I think that ship's only

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happening in Florida. I don't even
think Nevada Commission cond of But those motherfuckers

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are still breaking hosal bones everything,
slap fighting, crazy nuts. Those guys

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are all getting seizures. Yeah,
and it's in the midst of like CT

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being popular. I don't even get
that, Like that just seems like a

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bad I did shout out boy Nikki
Rod. I did watch Niki Rod on

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UFC Fight Pass, which is cool. It is cool Dana even though it's

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not Dana, but it's still Dana
White. Is like trying to make other

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sports cool with money and shit.
He said he gets more impressions than he's

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a genius bro. Power Slap he
started to push because of the Internet.

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Uh, purely because of the Internet
impressions really because of the clips. It's

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his clips to pull people into UFC. So many clips. Yeah, those

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clips go harder because like you can't
predict the knockout and shit in like the

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UFC, and sometimes there's whole cards
without something crazy happening, but a power

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Slap something is guaranteed to happen.
And he literally uses it as like his

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first portal of this marketing funnel.
I got to do it on the right

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less than fun slaps. And those
guys weren't making any money, right,

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they're doing in their backyard, So
you pay them a hundred bucks put some

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lights on them. Yeah, I'll
the points. Like there's no competitions right

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where like UFC, they're like the
PFL is big. You can obviously go

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to Bare Knuckle, Like there's other
options for even MMA like Ryan Gordon and

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Nikki Rott, Like they're making six
figures plus being a jiu jitsu artist,

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Like there's options place like Gordon Ryan, I mean that fool is making so

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much money on how to videos and
shit, like there's legitimate money in these

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stuff, but not in power slap
yet. So it's the cheapest marketing acquisition.

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Just smart because yeah they're doing jiu
jitsu, they're doing something else too.

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I forgot get Larry Wheel on that
slap fight bro celebrities that I thought

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about because celebrity boxing is so big
right now. Celebrity or like content creator,

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slap boxing would be the genius because
you can't you can, but you

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don't need to train for it.
Yeah, like you if you take two

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YouTubers and they're trash athletes, right, which probably ninety percent of them are,

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right logo type, Yeah, those
are the two that kind of were

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good athletes, but the rest of
them aren't. But you try to make

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them all fight. They're always trying
to make like different call of duty kids

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fight and then go through a training
boxing camp. But if they're non athlete,

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but you but you you have them
do a slap box. Everyone knows

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that a slap let's get oh right, how good would like a legitimate slap

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I mean you can't do a homie
because you really like some of those dudes

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are pissed Bruce. I don't think
those guys. Yeah, you need some

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drama, you need some of the
drop that would Yeah, you need some

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ship like that that would go mega
viral. So tune in for thursd Street

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Slight. I don't know if our
insurance covers that. That's what you do,

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dude. They let them fall.
Sometimes they have like a spotter behind

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them and you have to hold the
pad behind it. Sometimes they eat ship.

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Yeah, I'm like, bro,
catch my boy. Yeah. I

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wonder if they have like a padded
floor so you you hit the back of

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your head on a full drop like
that, you're gonna get fucked up.

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Actually, that brings up a point
that's probably probably could do a whole episode

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on this, But so what I
follow on on social who's a usa pl

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lifter commented that, uh, somebody
backspotting deadlifts is bullshit and shouldn't happen because

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most of the time when people are
falling down, it's they're faking because they

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missed their lift. Interesting. I
think that's complete bull I've seen I've seen

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people fall down and hit their head
in the natty. Yeah, it might

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be more common in the natty world
because your blood pressure is a little different.

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There's a less there's less options to
pass out. I think that guy

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just doesn't strong enough. But then
even still, like someone faking it could

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get fucked up, and then like, what's the harm of one person being

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there? Yeah, there's no net
negative. That's actually a thing about social

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media that has been crazy people bitching
about things that do not affect them in

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any way at all. Especially like
so I would understand if no, like

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if we're at a level of powerlifting
where there's no spotters anywhere, Right,

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we have machines or futuristic shit.
I understand, right, because you're trying

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to but we already have six guys
spotting squads. But yeah, what's the

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harm of one guy? One guy? Yeah, and they don't they don't

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intervene unless the person's going down.
Yeah. I have seen recent meets within

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the last year where there's been no
backspot in people of even if they're stumbling,

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you know, just catch them or
whatever. I was surprised that at

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big meats or medium level meets,
I made it to social media media where

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they had no spot on deathlas makes
no sense. It's the easiest way to

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spot too, it's the easiest spot
like. It's not really weight dependent.

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It's not that much size dependent,
although a bigger person often can catch better.

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But you know, you got ogie
back there, and then you have

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a super heavyweight. I'm still catching
people. We're better catching him than one

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thousand pounds squad for sure. True
hundred packs. Yeah, all right,

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that's it working. People find you, dude, ship go on ship farting.

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I was gonna say that studied and
I lost what I was gonna say.

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I thought he was pooping first.
Yeah, so like when that happens,

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you just continue to get it,
get it out focus. Yeah,

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