May 7, 2025

The Way Down rewind | Examining media about cults

The Way Down rewind | Examining media about cults

We’ve been talking about cults and how they’re covered in the media. Back in 2021, we looked at the HBO documentary series “The Way Down: God, Greed and the Cult of Gwen Shamblin” on a couple of episodes. It is about a crazy, scary religious cult....

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We’ve been talking about cults and how they’re covered in the media. Back in 2021, we looked at the HBO documentary series “The Way Down: God, Greed and the Cult of Gwen Shamblin” on a couple of episodes. It is about a crazy, scary religious cult. This week, Mike’s under the weather, and we haven’t had a chance to record, so this seems like a good time to present these episodes again as one.

As a refresher, here’s the description of the doc series, “Follows the Remnant Fellowship Church, exploring the fame and power of its leader Gwen Shambling Lara as a diet guru and church leader, and the truth behind her carefully-curated image, detailing the church's controversial practices.”

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Is Jim.

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So yeah, we've been talking about cults the last few

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weeks back, particularly cults as they are portrayed in media,

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and we have talked a little bit about an episode

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that we did or a couple of episodes we did

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a couple of years ago about a religious cult as

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kind of a scary religious cult. And since Mike is

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under the weather this week, I thought I would take

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those two episodes and put them together into one big

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Mugget episode and passed them along to you this week

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as our offering and our episode offering, and hopefully everything

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will be back to normal next week. I enjoy these.

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Obviously, it's a little bit.

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Time bound in terms of our conversation outside of the

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outside of the mini series, but the documentary mini series,

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but I think the rest of it should be a

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good and a good comparison to what we've been talking

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about the last couple weeks. So anyway, we'll talk to

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you next week. And oh, by the way, we're having

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it currently having a big sale at three sb dot co,

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like huge markdown, so check it out. I feel like

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I am now in like a lifelong struggle. This will

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land last the rest of my life with technology.

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I don't know if we've talked about allf air on here,

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but like the more precise and leveled up technology gets,

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the more issues you may.

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Have, the more FID lead.

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Right. It comes like like a car is way more

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convenient than a wagon, right, but there's way more shit

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that can go wrong, Like you're wagging your fucking wood

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axule breaks or your wheels kind of are junkie and

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that's about it. Yeah, or your horse dies, right, but

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but you're moving slow.

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Yeah, exactly, And you can if you need new wheels,

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you can probably make them out of wood, or you

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can have the person who makes them make them out

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of wood. You can't make tigers out of you know, right,

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you have to actually have a manufacturing facility to make tires.

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And I do feel like some things are not only

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getting like more convenient, faster, and more reliable, like phones,

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I remember like the first smart ish phone I had,

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Like even my BlackBerry I think with like freeze kind

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of you know, and like I don't know what I

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phone I have. I have like four models old. It

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doesn't really freeze. It gets slower, but it doesn't like

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just straight freeze. Yeah, or even my PC at home,

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my streaming PCs beefed up to the gills and like

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there's just no real issues. Yeah, Like I know if

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there there will be one, and it'll be a nuclear issue,

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you know what I mean, Like it'll be fucking insane.

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But for the most part, it's fast as shit and reliable.

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Right, my, I have a PC sitting over there that's

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actually just full of old footage and it doesn't want

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to work at all, and it's been upgraded and fixed

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twice and it's now dead again. And you know, that's

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that's one of the things. I'm trying to upload some

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stuff for some things that we're having trying to have printed,

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and like nothing is working the way it's supposed to.

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Super slow uploads, even though the files are not that big,

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and then you know, getting the site to render it

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so that I can do a proof is taken forever.

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That's where like those companies like to go in person

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kind of makes sense. Yeah, Like there will always be

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some businesses that will have a brick and mortar despite

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the convenience of not leaving my house, which I trust me,

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I love. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know, Simil

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like cameras, right, Like the more it can do, the

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more it can do, and the more you can mess

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it up.

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Right. I live in fear of the day that these

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cameras start to die because, yeah, they've been particularly that

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one in the middle. Camera two has been with us since.

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Long Journey Little Camera two when.

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He fifteen, probably, I mean, that's a long time.

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For But we're like on the cusp of having R

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two D two in here famous you know. Yeah, maybe

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so someone just bought one of the uh there's Boston

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whatever the dog robots in the backflip dynamics. But then

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there's like a Chinese version of that, I think, and

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they made like a dog and this designer I follow

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about one. He's got like a pet robot dog. That's crazy.

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Yeah, And they say that people are very adaptable to

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that kind of thing, like.

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I've seen I robot a lot of times.

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It works to me, well, like, well, Ferbie is kind

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of the one of the first ones that people were

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freaking yeah developed relationships with their Ferbies.

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And then and then the the rumbas.

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You know, the yeah, people talk to their rumbas, and

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people really talk to their like Alexis and stuff.

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Yeah. Yeah, series still does freak me out a little bit.

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I still don't use it most of the time. And

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as speaking as someone who's like a long time sci

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fi nerd, I thought that I would think that that

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was the coolest thing ever. Yeah, and I find it annoying.

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I just want to get to the thing faster.

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Yeah, And their functionality is still pretty basically like I

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know you can, but you got to like set up

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your whole house, like I know they can like maybe

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turn the lights off or change the emperature, but then

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you got to wire everything, like uh, and that will

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be a thing. And I'm sure a brand brand new

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house somewhere is like a smart house. Yeah, that's cool.

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But the lights of all my inconveniences in my life

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and we all you know, have our pet peeves. A

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light switch isn't mine, you know, Like I just don't

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even like the remote. It's is old pech Like as

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a kid, I had a remote for my fan, right,

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that's like more annoying than anything because then where is it?

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And I lost it? And then these batteries and I'm okay

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with a light switch, you know what I mean. Like,

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and even the music like that's cool, hey, Alex to

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play the Beatles, like that's cool.

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But we we have a couple at home. We have

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a couple of fans. They're the like Home brand of

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big ass fans. Oh yeah yeah, and they like I

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was pretty early adopter on those. They were they'd only

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been around a couple years when a bottom and they

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have like there's a wall controller, and you don't you

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don't run two lines to the fans, so there's not

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a line for the light and the line for the

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fan itself. It's all in this thing, and you can

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control it with an app which works a lot of

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the time, but not one hundred percent of the time.

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And then the wall controlled like the one in our

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bedroom doesn't work at all anymore, and I just can't

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get it back online and I don't know what to

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do about it. I can you control it from the

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tiny little remote that you get with it, but that's

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really fiddly and you have to hit it really hard

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or the.

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App, which doesn't always work. That's like my thermostat my

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house house now is maybe three three and a half

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years old. Yeah, I guess just maybe three. It feels

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like way longer. I don't even know when I bought it.

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But our thermostats are an app based thing, and it

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I did a week trying to set it up, called

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in the dude the builder try to set up didn't

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work and I'm like, all right, we'll fuck you. I

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would you just freeze now or nah? I mean it

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works on the wall as well.

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Well.

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It's all confusing because it's like it's a dual system,

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not only dual thermostat, but like a dual system because

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the house zones. Yeah, because it's three stories tall. But

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then like it doesn't really make sense because the duel

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is the second and third. Oh, it should be the

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first and stance you would think, yeah, and then and

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then the second would maybe get the mix of it

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or whether the third would always be hot And me

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and Kylo's PC's are up there and it's like small ish,

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you know, so yeah, it's burning hot upstairs, and then

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downstairs feels dope. So I thought the app would be

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convenient and then it just doesn't work. Of course that's

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all sucks, but I don't know.

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I was talking about actually before we get into it, Yeah,

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do us a favor to us a couple of favors.

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I'm going to ask you a couple of favors. One

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is if you have not reviewed this show on Apple

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Podcasts in a while. We would like you to do

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that and just give as many stars as you got

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in your in your galaxy for us, we'd appreciate thousand.

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I learned what retrograde is going backwards?

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Yeah, well I know that, but like literally Mercury retrogade.

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It is just literally literally going backwards. But it's not

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it just visually is going backwards. Oh so it's not

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even moving.

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No, it's just our our point of view.

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So it's all bullshit. It's cpletely bullshit.

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Yeah, that's so Mercury is in retro zodiac bullshit. Yeah, completely.

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How is there so many This is a good segue.

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Yeah, this is really good segue.

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Oh, so many people into the zodiac. I remember as

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a kid, even my mom would whip open the newspaper

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sometimes and say, hey, read that that's about you. And

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she's obviously like my mom's a little out there, but

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she's not all in, you know. But also I was

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a kid. She was just a thing to read in

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the newspaper. Kid, But it's not like she swears by that,

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but the world does. There's a lot of folks.

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I don't understand it. I if there's anything to it

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at all. There might be something to the time of

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year that you're born affecting the kinds of experiences you

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have at your earliest but stages, so like from like

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when your birthday is in the year, So what kind

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of party do you get for you?

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Oh? Sure, you get a pull.

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Start school and all that stuff and then those things. Yeah,

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that stuff, that's all.

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But even that, that's like more. But it's like ten

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steps deeper than like the blood type diet. And you

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and I bashed that all the time. Yes, exactly, like

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the blood type diet more logically makes sense.

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Right, but this is this is purely based on timing

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when I'm talking about it.

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Sure you know your yours is more a random environment

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and everybody in July has an outdoor party because it's

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hot out. Yeah yeah, and so maybe that affects some

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type of person that you are.

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Yeah, there's a I don't think it's a film serious.

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I don't really know anymore. I've totally lost context on it.

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But uh, thing called who you are is where you

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were when.

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It's confusing, but I get it.

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You get yeah, yeah, like your your consciousness, you're aesthetic,

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all that stuff. Is just often formed by what you're

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exposed to a certain points in your life. So zodiac

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I never really thought about it way before, but I can.

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I can justify zodiac on that basis. I can't justify

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it any other way.

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Yeah, but you could, Yeah, you could eat just as easily,

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say everybody from Sacramento from nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty eight.

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And a lot of that comes from the you know,

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ancient observation of the stars and choosing constellations, and the

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constellations turn into signs of the zodiac because they show

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up in the sky at different periods of time in

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the year, and blah blah blah blah blah, and people

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some people latch onto that.

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The science is hard. We're like, the logic is there, right,

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because we know the moon affects the ocean, right, and

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so you're like, oh, you know, and so if science

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tells me that, like, oh, well, why wouldn't the moon

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and the stars affect humans? And you know, like the

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logic makes sense, just the science isn't there. So I

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guess I understand why people dive into things. And that's

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where we're going.

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Yeah, we're talking about this one got me a little

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bit though.

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Yeah, because you build it up, I think you can

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explain the basis is better.

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Okay, this we're talking about episode one of The Way

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Down God Greed and the Cult of Gwynn Chamblain.

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They did her dirty on that cover. I mean, she's

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just not that. She just has a look about her.

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But that cover is.

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Oh but she looks like that in it. What we're

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referring to is the central character of this five episode

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documentary series about a weight loss strategy that turned into

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a religious cult, the Remnant Fellowship. Yeah, back to that

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in a second. But she has a lot of hair

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and as she is real. Uh no, it can't be

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like is she a she a lion?

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That is that her in both of them?

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Yeah, that is her in both of them.

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On the right she looks normal well because yeah, they

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they this was earlier in her life.

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And and then I feel like that's very nineties haircut,

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Like I remember my my friend's parents have a ship

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like that.

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Yeah, the one that's on the cover and that you

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see numerous times in the course of episode one, and

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I can tell you half of episode two. Uh you

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remember the the movie American Hustle.

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Uh yeah, I don't think I saw the whole thing.

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Well, the beginning of that movie is Christian Balees character

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like putting together the most elaborate comb over on the

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top of his head that you have ever seen. And

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that's what this looks like to me. It's just like

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pair piled on hair. Hair, Yeah, a lot, a lot

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of hair. Don't get near a match or an open

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flame anywhere, you're just gonna go up in flames. But yeah,

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this is uh, really what it comes down to. And

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in the world, but in America in particular, we all

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care so much about the way that we look, and

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we're so insecure about ourselves that it's possible to get

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to a place, particularly with weight loss and other of

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the things and like other mental health things, that you're

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so desperate that you'll do or believe anything to try

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to change yourself into more of the image that you'd

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like to conform to that is out in society.

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That's what you're not even talked about before watching this,

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we just were talking about the idea of this. But

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that's why the fitness industry because I bring this up

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a lot, you know, and we're in the industry, and

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I'll bring it out to people outside or even my

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therapist or and they always say like, well, there's bad

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people in slime bags in every industry, and I'm like,

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it's not the same. It's really not, because this fitness,

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the health industry, fitness and health, same thing is really

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driving on the essence of every human's self esteem. And

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you know, you and I kind of talk about the example,

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like some people are little self conscious of what they drive,

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or where they live or or or how they dress,

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the clothes they wear. That's why they want to wear

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brand names, et cetera, et cetera. Right, but how you

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look is so tied and I don't care if you're

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the most beautiful human on the planet. You have something

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that you don't love about how you look, right, And

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so to tap into that makes sense. And it actually

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in my mind that there's not more like colts based

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around that stuff, you know, because the typical cult is

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maybe pride on people that are a little lost or

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financially unstable or broken family and they're looking for community

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and all that makes sense as well, typically maybe lower

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financial level. Where this one takes place in Tennessee, and

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I looked it up right as I'm watching, of course,

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I want to see what these houses cost because they view.

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Brentwood, uh Aschelon is the name of the yeah, Brentwood

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of the neighborhood.

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So they're showing they're showing all these like, you know,

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b roll of all these houses and they're fucking mc mansions,

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you know, and and guess what they cost though, even now,

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seven hundred k oh really, which is like and we

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say that because we're from California and all I'll you

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out there might be saying, fuck you rich bastards, But like,

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seven hundred k is a good amount of money. Don't

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get me wrong. It's not like I just have that

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sitting in my pocket. But seven hundred k gets you

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a condo here in Sacramento. Our houses are both worth

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more than yeah, yeah where where you're you're in Tennessee,

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you gotta fucking it looks like the president lives there, yeah,

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and maybe looks like they have acres and you just

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have like thirty golden Retrievers dancing in your front and

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lawn when you drive home. You know, that's what it

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looks like. So I'm like, fucking I need to move

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to Tennessee. So that was the first thing that really

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surprised me, is like obviously and in Tennessee that they

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said it was the richest neighborhood in it right, close

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community and all that. That kind of besides the self

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esteem thing which they dig into later with the weight issues,

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you would think someone with their life so established at

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least financially, doesn't mean the rest of your life's established.

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You could be a fucking wreck. Wouldn't fall for something

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of this nature? But then I started thinking deeper that

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if you have stability in a lot of areas, your

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attention can go elsewhere. It's kind of like the first

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world problem, saying.

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Yeah, like they think that, like Maslow's hierarchy, you start

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meeting the lower level needs and the upper problem needs

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to become a bigger issue.

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Yeah, we're not worried about our dinner, We're not worried

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about our vacations. We're not worried about our kids or

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health or safety. What are we going to worry about?

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Right?

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It's us overeating? And then how can I find God

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through losing one hundred and fifty pounds?

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Right?

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That that tie in? I still they only mentioned it

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like once, really like how that she ties it in?

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Yeah, So here's the thing. If you were to just

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look at parts of this, it would look a lot

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like if it fits your macros.

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No, and they even mention they mentioned it eating. They

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mentioned that, Yes, Yeah, they mentioned that term, which I

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found surprising.

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It would look like, yeah, I had that in my nose.

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It would look like that if you didn't have any

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other part of it.

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Okay, so here's or you didn't see her. Yeah for

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some reason, I just see her and I'm like, something's wrong.

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That's it, And I don't want to get ahead of

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my She's.

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Gonna sell me a fucking what's like the makeup parties

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they all have and shiteah, that's what avalon? Is that

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one of them? Or maybe so fuck there's like a avon.

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This is an avon fucking mom for sure.

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Yeah.

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Or Mary Kay Yeah, this is a Mary Kay bitch. Yeah.

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And and uh later on her the guy that becomes

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her second husband. Yeah, I'll get into that. He just

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seems like the fakest person in the world.

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Yeah, there's no way, right, there's I thought that right away.

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I was like, there's no way. They were like honest

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with each other, you know, this is all like this

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is like a shit movie set up. Shit. Yeah, you know,

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like it doesn't. This isn't a relationship.

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Yeah, this is and not even a really heavily inspired

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plot point.

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Yeah.

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If it was a real it was in a movie.

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You think, ah, this is such a B movie or

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a movie whatever, because they couldn't come up with anything

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better than this guy is clearly a fake and clearly

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a shyster who happens to be number one good looking

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and number two Actually he can sing. I mean he's

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got to get voice.

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Well, did you know or see any of this? What

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I guess The second surprise to me was yeah, one

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that it was a cult based around super wealthy people. Yeah.

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Two was that how mainstream this was, like she's on

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CNN and she's on Oprah and shit, do you remember

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any of that?

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Or I don't remember any of it at.

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All because it was mostly Obviously this is still taking place,

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I believe. I haven't gotten to this other episodes, but

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the latest members they interviewed like dropped out in like

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twenty fourteen or something, so this is semi recent. But

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it started in the nineties. Yeah, which is a little

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young for me. I was born eighty eight, so it's

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not like I was watching Oprah every day, but for

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her book to be like New York bestseller and her

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on CNN. I think she was on Late Night or

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one of the late nights and then an Oprah.

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The book was called The Way Down, w e igh

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Way Down, and that was pre religion.

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That was just that, that was before it got really funky. Yeah,

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and they even mentioned they mentioned a bunch of little

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things in here. And I actually love how this documentary

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was shot opposed a lot of the ones we watched,

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because one reminded me of the the Scientology one seeing

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clearly have going clear. Love that just because there's a

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bunch of psychoists. I love that. And then because it's real,

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you know, it's like fucking and then two just so yeah,

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the style it shot like they kind of dig in

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because they know, you know, it's gonna be bullshit, and

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so there's like the vibe is kind of comedic, but

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it's not comedy, Like they don't do anything to make

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it funny. But I already know going in. It's a

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little light. It feels light in a way although it's dark.

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Yeah, it's dark. It's really dark. It's really really dark.

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If you know what the opening scene of the first

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episode is about The first episode is actually called The

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Kingdom by the way, the opening scene where it's just

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kind of video of a landscape and then you can

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hear radio tower calls. Oh so I don't know, like airport,

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I don't know.

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Well, okay, So the idea of us doing this is

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to cover each episode because Jim thought, and I think

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he's right, that there's enough unveiling and enough meat that

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we could do multiple episodes of the podcast based on

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multiple episodes of that, and maybe we'll tie in one

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and two and three and four or whatever. Probably, but

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I literally only watched one and shut her off. But yeah,

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there's like the interestings out of the blue. You have

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no idea what's going on.

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Yeah, so I will just spoil it and tell you

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because it'd be it's pretty easy to find out that

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she died in an airplane crash. While they were making

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this documentary conspiracy, they were largely done with this, and

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it is not clear at all why the pilot because

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the black box seems to have the guy going this

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way and that way and this way and that way,

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like I don't know, it was a weather thing, but

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they didn't comment on that. Actually, it's sort of very

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similar to the Kobe Bryant thing, but it was her

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and her husband and her son in law.

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Yikes that that new husband, the new husband, not her

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original husband. The only darkness they really show is the

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two parents whose daughter's kind of getting recruited. That like,

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the stories are dark and you can see the real

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passion and like fear in the parent's eyes, but the

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rest of it is kind of like not light. But

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I kind of like that, like the echotomy of like,

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you know, this is fucking weird and it almost feels

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fake Stepford Wives. So they mentioned l Ron Hubbard, right,

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and so not only did the movie Going Clear feel

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that way, but they mentioned him, which like they mentioned

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him in like kind of a normal reference to I

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forgot exactly the reference, but they mentioned him something kind

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of normal. You're like, all right, well that he's not normal,

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Like if you know anything about scientology. Yeah, she's a

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fucking cult leader and he's a fucking comic book writer. Right,

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And then like same with her, like what is They

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don't go into her background much, I don't think in

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the beginning, but hopefully they do later, Like who the

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hell is she and why is she a weight loss coach,

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and then why is she the only one talking to God?

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She has she had a bachelor's degree in like in

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some I had a master's degree in a nutrition.

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Because she was kind of fattoo or something. She gave

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a bunch and her parents. Yeah, yeah, so yes, she

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did have some stuff and dietitian, which is great. And

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then she talks about intuitive eating like, oh, that seems fine.

465
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But then why she talking to God? What makes her

466
00:21:58.599 --> 00:21:59.799
a prophet? Well?

467
00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:02.279
See, that's that's a part of this whole. I actually

468
00:22:02.279 --> 00:22:06.519
want to look at the definition of a cult a

469
00:22:06.519 --> 00:22:10.480
little bit here. A cult is a social group that

470
00:22:10.559 --> 00:22:15.559
is defined by defined by unusual religious, spiritual, and philosophical beliefs,

471
00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:19.839
or by its common interest in a particular personality, object,

472
00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:24.079
or goal. And so this one had personality yeah, and

473
00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:26.359
and goal for sure and to a certain yeah. I

474
00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:28.200
don't know what was the other sentence.

475
00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:30.680
There's something about like, uh.

476
00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:34.359
A defined social group defined by its unusual, religious, spiritual,

477
00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:36.839
or philosophical beliefs like.

478
00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:39.119
That in itself, because every and they mentioned that in

479
00:22:39.160 --> 00:22:42.200
a movie. They're like, yeah, she created her own church basically,

480
00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:45.079
and then created her own religion basically. Yes, based off

481
00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:48.599
of Christianity. But that's like every Christian branch, like every

482
00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:51.319
Christian branch thinks they're the true Christian branch and they

483
00:22:51.640 --> 00:22:56.279
read the Bible more correctly or their stories are.

484
00:22:55.240 --> 00:22:58.759
Just like just like every power lifting federation thinks is

485
00:22:58.799 --> 00:23:00.720
the best. It's very similar.

486
00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:03.000
It is, and that I guess is slightly human nature.

487
00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:05.200
Like what you think is depth, what I think is depth.

488
00:23:05.240 --> 00:23:07.440
What I think is real strength with the deadlift bar.

489
00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:09.079
You think is real strength with the stiff bar.

490
00:23:09.240 --> 00:23:11.319
And if you think about it this way, they're almost

491
00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:14.119
always owned by a particular person.

492
00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:16.440
Unless it's you know, even Martin Luther King right, like

493
00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:20.599
not Junior, the religious one, like he just interpreted things

494
00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:22.960
slightly different. And then there's politics involved because we're in

495
00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:25.000
fucking Europe. And then you have a split in the church,

496
00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:29.400
like like that's fairly normal, right, but we don't look

497
00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:31.039
at those things as colts.

498
00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:33.720
No, And I tell you that if you like this,

499
00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:37.559
this has a she started in a in a Baptist church,

500
00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:40.480
end up in Assemblies of God and then started her

501
00:23:40.519 --> 00:23:48.240
own thing and having attended a literally like Baptist spin

502
00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:51.200
off church when I was when I was a kid, uh,

503
00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:54.960
and it was literally like, oh, we believe that baptism

504
00:23:55.039 --> 00:23:56.720
is this way and not that way, and so we're

505
00:23:56.759 --> 00:23:58.319
going to go off on our own direction.

506
00:23:58.119 --> 00:24:01.039
Right like what yeah, hang on yeah, or or like

507
00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:04.839
very like the smallest things like I was raised Catholic

508
00:24:04.880 --> 00:24:06.799
and when the Catholic church and so I was eighteen,

509
00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:10.119
but like the smallest things like true Catholics believe like

510
00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:12.039
you are drinking the body and blood of Christ, like

511
00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:13.400
it's not like a symbol.

512
00:24:13.599 --> 00:24:17.839
Trans yeah, transform transfiguration, Yeah.

513
00:24:16.839 --> 00:24:20.519
Where you just go left to one type of Protestant

514
00:24:20.559 --> 00:24:22.400
and they believe, no, it's just a symbol. And then

515
00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:27.000
you have two billion people in each religion just based

516
00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:29.079
off like that little difference. Yeah, and you know you're

517
00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:31.480
like what And I guess that is maybe what makes

518
00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:34.039
it not as cult tea, you know, because then you

519
00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:36.039
can call based on that definition, you can kind of

520
00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:38.559
call anything a cult, right, you call powerliffic and cult right,

521
00:24:38.599 --> 00:24:40.480
Like we all praise the part bell, it's just to

522
00:24:40.519 --> 00:24:45.759
what extreme do you honor or or bow down to something?

523
00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:49.119
And then typically cults, at least how we look at them,

524
00:24:49.160 --> 00:24:52.599
or at least I do, they're crazy, like they're they're

525
00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:53.519
doing something bad.

526
00:24:53.759 --> 00:24:56.759
Yeah, yeah, this is true. They don't, I mean don't

527
00:24:56.799 --> 00:24:59.920
necessarily have to, like like some of the original cults

528
00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:04.240
would be like within the Catholic Church, a cult around

529
00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:07.839
a particular saint. Sure, so they're looking for that particular

530
00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:09.480
saint to intervene.

531
00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:12.160
For necessarily negative like same thing. Like I think the

532
00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:14.200
basis of this even if you just strip it down

533
00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:16.799
from crazy hair over here and you think about a

534
00:25:16.839 --> 00:25:19.720
religion based on honoring your body because God gave you

535
00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:21.960
the body and making your because that's like kind of

536
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:23.720
what they mentioned, like your body is the Holy Spirit

537
00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:25.799
and it's a vessel, and you got to take care

538
00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:26.000
of it.

539
00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:28.480
Yeah, except totally not the Holy Spirit because she's not.

540
00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:33.880
Yeah, but just that you're like, that's good. That's a

541
00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:36.039
good thing. Like if you do believe in God, which

542
00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:38.799
half of our more than half of our planet does,

543
00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:41.680
believes in some kind of higher power, and you believe

544
00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:44.640
he created us, whether you believe in free will or more.

545
00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:48.440
You know, there's variations within the religions, right then you

546
00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:50.640
would think like, yeah, be taking care of what my

547
00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:53.039
gift from Him and my spirit is like a good thing.

548
00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:56.440
So the core of like yeah, how they lose weight

549
00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:58.440
and how she teaches it, and they mention things like

550
00:25:58.480 --> 00:26:00.119
the more weight you lose, the better you are in

551
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:02.960
the community, right, stuff like sure, negative, but taking care

552
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:06.240
of your body. Yeah, tied in with religion does make

553
00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:06.880
some sense.

554
00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:09.319
It does make some sense.

555
00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:10.960
Yeah, you know what I mean where I've never gone

556
00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:13.839
to another church really other than Catholic And they don't

557
00:26:13.880 --> 00:26:14.880
really talk about that at.

558
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:19.039
All, No, but they they put so much on it

559
00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:25.799
that they when people cannot do it, they they have

560
00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:28.880
it as a measurement of the person's faith.

561
00:26:29.119 --> 00:26:32.720
Yeah, and like a hierarchy of how like dedicated you are,

562
00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:33.640
how good you are?

563
00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:36.920
Right, And it reminded me. I was listening to a

564
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:39.559
podcast or radio show or something the other day called

565
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:44.920
The through Line talking about the origin of what they

566
00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:51.920
call the prosperity Gospel in the fifties, maybe as early

567
00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:56.880
as the forties, but probably definitely the fifties. Oral Roberts,

568
00:26:56.920 --> 00:26:59.920
you've heard of Oral Roberts University or Roberts started at

569
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:05.880
as as just a preacher and he came upon this,

570
00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:12.000
you know, revelation from God that having money was not

571
00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:15.119
a bad thing, although that is not at all what

572
00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:21.960
Jesus ever said, sorry, folks, And that if you wanted

573
00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:24.279
to have more money. The way that you had more

574
00:27:24.319 --> 00:27:28.440
money was by giving more money to his church. Sure,

575
00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:32.960
and then God would pay you off, you know, karma ish, Yeah,

576
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:37.079
exactly that kind of thing, and that grew from a

577
00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:41.240
small thing to a huge, huge thing. And this is

578
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:44.720
very similar to that, except that what you're you're giving

579
00:27:44.839 --> 00:27:48.119
is this, like you're giving all your fat, giving your

580
00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:51.559
diet to God, and then.

581
00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:53.079
A book and buying her audio tape.

582
00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:58.160
Right and then and then contributing to her religion.

583
00:27:58.240 --> 00:27:59.640
I guess we got to dig into or I do

584
00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:02.079
have to into the next episodes to see because like, yes,

585
00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:07.279
this is all bad, and she's clearly doing it for power.

586
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:09.400
You could just see it in her eyes and interviews

587
00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:13.880
and shit. But it's not like she's under the radar.

588
00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:15.799
That's another thing about like Colts, or at least how

589
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:17.440
I think of Colts, because you think about sipping kool

590
00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:19.160
aid shit. When you think about Colts and trying to

591
00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:22.599
kill people or do bad things, you know, in the

592
00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:27.680
scheme or the scale, there's worse Colts so far from

593
00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:31.039
I've seen episode one, you know what I mean. And

594
00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:34.200
she's doing it in clear as day. Yeah, it's not

595
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:36.160
like a little gang in LA. It's not like, you know,

596
00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:38.880
they're not living in the hills of Tennessee like she's

597
00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:39.599
on CNN.

598
00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:42.720
Yeah. But at the same time, this family that they're

599
00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:46.000
showing who really lost their daughter to it. I mean

600
00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:48.880
that that's as bad as any cult thing I've ever seen.

601
00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:52.680
Yeah. Yeah, the recruitment part, I think, because it's the

602
00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:57.680
recruitment's purely tearing a family apart and an emotional thing. Yeah,

603
00:28:57.680 --> 00:28:58.480
it's got to be. Yeah.

604
00:28:58.519 --> 00:29:01.880
And the question you have have, like, uh, to what

605
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:06.559
extent was the guy who was kind of romancing her

606
00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:11.480
and proselytizing this this cult, this church, yeah, actually into her.

607
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:13.920
You mean the high school boyfriend. Yeah. So so they

608
00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:17.200
interview this parents who basically a high school boyfriend, and

609
00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:19.440
the parents seem so nice too. They're like, don't judge

610
00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:22.319
him differently. I know, we've heard some weird things about

611
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:24.559
this church, you know, like they basically tell their daughter

612
00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:26.319
to give this guy a chance in a sense, right,

613
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:29.160
and this high school fault, right Yeah, and then and

614
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:31.920
then this guy starts to recruit her. Yeah. So again,

615
00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:33.960
I we got to dig into more episodes to see

616
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:35.599
what's up with this high school kid, because then he

617
00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:38.079
does like talk back to the parents a little bit

618
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:40.519
in an interview and and say like, yeah, I'm trying

619
00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:42.599
to recruit her. And then they find messages and cell

620
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:46.480
phones and all these weird things of people from the church. Phone.

621
00:29:46.640 --> 00:29:48.960
Yeah that's someone at the church order.

622
00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:52.640
Yeah, any church that involves a burner phone, just probably

623
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:53.559
when you should get.

624
00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:57.400
Just any activity, like if you had need a burner phone,

625
00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:01.279
you're doing some shit. Yeah, So I guess obviously the

626
00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:04.079
more episodes will lead to why why this kid's so

627
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:08.960
kind of like sketchy, And you're right, like whether he's

628
00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:14.400
into or not, intent matters so much and we can

629
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:17.599
never truly judge a human's intent. But if this kid

630
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:20.920
truly believes he's doing good, God's will or whatever, you

631
00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:22.160
know what I mean, and that is a lot of

632
00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:25.279
religions and cults, like, it's hard to blame it's hard

633
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:27.559
to blame him if that's what he believes. But hopefully

634
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:31.279
other episodes will reveal if there's like what what's he gained?

635
00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:33.720
And that's a really good question. I don't know. I

636
00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:36.079
think the next episodes will tell us, I because I

637
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:38.279
think he was probably already getting whatever he could gain.

638
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:40.960
If you know what I mean, Yeah, probably probably yeah,

639
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:44.319
and and and it's or maybe the church. Yeah, who knows,

640
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:47.519
because it is such an emotional mental level up.

641
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:50.079
In the church. By pulling somebody in from the outside.

642
00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:52.079
I don't know that, yeah, that we I don't know either,

643
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:53.920
but I would assume the church kind of puts some

644
00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:55.680
pressure on you to recruit people. Or maybe you're not

645
00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:57.839
allowed to date outside the church, and maybe he does

646
00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:01.319
like her, and then maybe that's the recruitment passion or yeah.

647
00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:01.640
I don't know.

648
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:05.319
It just sounds so calculated because the father at some

649
00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:07.880
point pulls them aside and says, look as your intention

650
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:11.519
to recruit my daughter into your church? And he says yes.

651
00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:14.960
It's like, huh okay, honest, Yeah, I guess I was

652
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:16.759
like a little high school kid. That's gotta be hard,

653
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:17.599
I guess.

654
00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:20.960
But one of the things I should point out is

655
00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:24.640
that it's not common for a woman to be at

656
00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:26.279
the head of some religious movement.

657
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:31.160
For sure, the beginning of one. Yeah, it's and I

658
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:32.759
think I imagine even a cult.

659
00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:35.960
Yeah, but if you notice, and I this is knowledge

660
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:39.799
outside of the first episode, but it's also run by

661
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:43.240
a council of men. She is on her head, but

662
00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:46.359
she everybody you know that, she's the one that everybody

663
00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:46.759
looks to.

664
00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:50.599
Yeah, it's mostly stereotype, and obviously every human is slightly different.

665
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:53.319
But like, yeah, I would imagine we could find a

666
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:56.880
stat where if we looked at a psychopaths and narcissist,

667
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:02.039
I'd imagine the majority of men you would think, right, Like,

668
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:04.359
I'm making that up in a sense, but I'm almost

669
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:06.240
sure I bet money on it. And so I think

670
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:08.839
that leads down to why maybe not the religion part,

671
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:11.039
but why it chick's probably not the leader of a

672
00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:14.799
cult more than not, also right, because these dudes, narcissists

673
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:17.720
or just selfish, want the power, want the fame, want the.

674
00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:22.160
And then it becomes this situation where a group of

675
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:25.839
men then realizes that they can manipulate this woman to

676
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:27.960
get what they want or.

677
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:29.920
Just leach onto the coattails and ride it.

678
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:33.960
All right, right, And the thing I'm actually I'm not

679
00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:37.200
far enough into it to really know, but very often

680
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:39.160
the cults end up with some kind of weird sexual

681
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:40.359
component to them as well.

682
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:43.599
Yeah, yeah, maybe yeah, and so yeah, maybe that's the

683
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:47.039
recruitment too or something, who knows, Yeah, but a lot

684
00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:48.400
of it and maybe it's because we're in a rich

685
00:32:48.440 --> 00:32:51.279
part of Tennessee. For the majority of the footage, although

686
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:54.079
the book and everything went highly national and she traveled

687
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:55.920
and did these seminars and stuff, but it seemed like

688
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:58.839
she built the church in her neighborhood, and maybe there

689
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:00.480
was other churches. They didn't mention it yet, but it

690
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:02.240
did seem like there's like a lot of like seven

691
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:05.680
year old white ladies in the crowd. Right, Yeah, that

692
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:07.200
was like the majority of what was going on.

693
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:10.880
So I'm a little bit because the second episode just

694
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:13.480
like started on me. So I'm a little bit blurred about.

695
00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:18.720
But did they get into the whole uh you'll leave

696
00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:19.240
your husband?

697
00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:22.160
No? I don't think so. Okay, Yeah, so that episode.

698
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.240
That's That's the other thing too, is not only is

699
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:26.559
it a lady cult leader, but there's a lot more ladies,

700
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:29.279
well at least when I remember, I haven't gone to

701
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:31.799
the church in whatever fifteen years, but the Catholic church

702
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:34.319
was pretty equal dudes and chicks. Where if you look

703
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:36.440
at the crowd of this bu roll or whatever it's like,

704
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:39.039
or the all the interviews that she brings on stage

705
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:40.640
talking about her, it's mostly ladies.

706
00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:45.119
Yeah, I think I was gonna say before, was you know,

707
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:47.000
the definition of being.

708
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:50.079
A geek is not what you're into, but how you're

709
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:52.480
into it. I've always said that, but I didn't know

710
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:55.200
that was a real definition. Yeah, well that's it' that's

711
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:58.240
a common social definite, like being really into something. Yeah. Yeah,

712
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:01.079
then I call you a nerd. Yeah yeah, a powerlifting nerd. Yeah,

713
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:03.680
you be a powerlifting nerd doesn't mean that you really

714
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:04.359
read comics.

715
00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:06.359
And I think that the I think the same is

716
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:08.840
true of being a member of a cult. It's not

717
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:11.440
always what you're into, although sometimes it is. It's the

718
00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:12.400
way you're into it.

719
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:14.960
Right versus the Catholic Church or something.

720
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:17.320
And she became such a fan of her own brand

721
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:23.159
that she took this this philosophy behind the diet thing, huh,

722
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:25.679
and she turned it into everything.

723
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:29.559
Yeah, you wonder how much of a cult even in

724
00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:32.559
her case, Like she's a little batshit crazy. For sure,

725
00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:35.519
more episodes will tell us how crazy she is. But

726
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:40.480
do you like because in episode one, at least I

727
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:42.960
could just say, like, this lady's a really good business

728
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:45.199
person and marketer and these people.

729
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:45.480
Bought her shit.

730
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:51.360
Yeah, and how deep these people bought her shit? Doesn't

731
00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:54.119
necessarily mean she's manipulative. Maybe she just hadded something good

732
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:54.480
to sell.

733
00:34:54.599 --> 00:35:00.719
It's possible for regular, well intentioned people to develop a cult. Yeah,

734
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:06.079
that are so much further into it then you would expect.

735
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:10.519
Or one think about music, yeah, like especially pre social media.

736
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:13.079
But even with social media, like music in general, a

737
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:16.079
lot of musicians and bands aren't. They use social media

738
00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:18.079
to promote stuff, but they don't like use it like

739
00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:20.840
a v logger or something, right, Like, at least that

740
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:23.760
the majority of bands and music that I know. But

741
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:27.719
some get cult fucking followings. They get tattoos and they

742
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:30.199
get all this stuff. But that's not because of this

743
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:33.360
weird message that they're grooming you. No, you're just so

744
00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:36.239
into their music and their lyrics speak to who you are,

745
00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:39.880
and so you buy in. And obviously this wouldn't be

746
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:42.519
a documentary if some weird shit didn't happen. So, like

747
00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:44.719
you go into watching some of the music and some

748
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:46.599
of the b roll. You know, some weird shit's crazy.

749
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:50.559
But if we're going episode by episode, I don't think

750
00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:55.079
besides how she looks, she doesn't. Nothing's that crazy yet

751
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:57.440
to me at least, you know, some of the ladies

752
00:35:57.480 --> 00:35:59.199
are like, yeah, they kind of shunned me for not

753
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:00.920
losing enough weight or whatever. I'm like, all right, well

754
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:03.159
that sucks, but that could be any shitty That could

755
00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:06.400
be a regular gym. Yeah, a powerlifting gym could shun

756
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:08.800
you for being fat and weak, you know, or using

757
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:11.239
steroids and being weaker. You know, like all that's normal

758
00:36:11.320 --> 00:36:13.480
human shit behavior. Not that I agree with it, but

759
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:17.039
just bully behavior. Yeah, yeah, in episode one behavior. Yeah,

760
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:19.920
in episode one, there's nothing that I say like, oh

761
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:22.760
my god, this lady needs to go to an insane asylum.

762
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:28.239
Yeah, well, something that you said about, Oh, I know,

763
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:37.119
I think that the heel turn is when as a personality,

764
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:41.039
you realize that you could exploit the way that people

765
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:43.679
view you or revere you.

766
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:45.920
The one thing, yeah, the one red flag is when

767
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:49.559
they they say, although she doesn't, some interviewers say that

768
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:51.719
she's the prophet and the only one that talks to God.

769
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:54.440
That's a bit extreme, I guess, yeah, yeah, but everything

770
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:56.800
else is kind of normal, honestly. Yeah.

771
00:36:57.159 --> 00:36:59.000
But I think, I mean, very clearly that she had

772
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:00.000
the heel turn at some point.

773
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:04.039
But yeah, but they didn't make that super apparent. Yeah,

774
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:06.280
you know, it's like they didn't do it with music,

775
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:08.400
or they didn't do it with the storytelling. They just

776
00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:09.960
kind of start throwing you a bunch of information. The

777
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:11.599
other thing with the episode one is they bounced from

778
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:14.400
like nineteen ninety nine to twenty sixteen and back and

779
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:16.199
forth two thousand and nine. Like, they bounced back and

780
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:19.480
forth a lot, So there's not like a turn of heel. Yeah,

781
00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:21.239
they're kind of showing like, oh, this is kind of weird.

782
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:23.079
This is not kind of weird. This is how it started.

783
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:24.800
This is what's going on, you know. Yeah, so it

784
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:26.000
is a little gray the whole time.

785
00:37:26.119 --> 00:37:28.079
It bounce around and bounces around in time.

786
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:28.679
I had to look.

787
00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:32.800
So nineteen ninety nine is when this this remnant fellowship.

788
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:35.159
Okay, and their point and that's after she sold a

789
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:36.840
shit ton of books and was on CNN.

790
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:41.159
Yeah, it's like, yeah, we are the one true remnant

791
00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:46.800
of what you know, of the ways Christianity should be.

792
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:50.480
And I don't know if this is totally a coincidence

793
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:52.519
or not, but I don't know. If you ever watched

794
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:56.440
The Leftovers, it was an HBO series based on a book,

795
00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:58.440
and the first season was based on the book, and

796
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:02.760
then they went past that way past that into I think,

797
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:08.039
really much better territory. But uh, a like two percent

798
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:12.559
of the world's population just disappears one day, just disappears.

799
00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:17.920
And yeah, it's about the effects of society on society

800
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:23.000
of the disappearances, a little butterfly effectee, all the mourning

801
00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:27.920
that happens and people and that and uh, social unrest,

802
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:31.519
and and then this cult rises that's actually called the

803
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:35.400
guilty Remnant, which maybe I don't know if I don't

804
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:38.159
know if there's a but the guilty Remnant. They don't

805
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:42.519
they're not supposed to talk. They all wear white. They

806
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:47.000
do these like they do a lot of aggressive recruiting

807
00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:49.119
without talking, which is.

808
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:52.559
I think that's another Although there's some religions which we

809
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:55.400
may not want to bash, certain religions here that recruit

810
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:58.079
a little harder than others. I do feel like cult

811
00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:01.960
the line of cult to like community is how hard

812
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:04.079
you recruit? Not only how hard do you buy into

813
00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:06.440
something or someone? Yeah, but how hard do you like recruit?

814
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:08.840
Like all the powerlifting, And I think it's great, and

815
00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:10.599
I think it's very healthy, and I think it would

816
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:13.360
help everyone on the planet honestly to get a barbelle

817
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:15.400
in her hand. But I've never knocked on my neighbor's

818
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:19.400
door and said, hey, you've heard about the barbell if

819
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.639
you're leading savior, I've never done that. Yeah, you know,

820
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:26.800
so like, yeah, the recruitment process also turns you into

821
00:39:26.840 --> 00:39:28.199
more of this cult. Yeah.

822
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:32.400
The guilty remnant people also figure that they should have

823
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:35.119
also been taken, so they want to die as quickly

824
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:39.079
as they can, so they all change, that makes sense. Guilty, Yeah,

825
00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:42.599
they change, smoke cigarettes all all the time. It's it's

826
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:48.760
it's a thing going back to the the the town

827
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:51.960
a little bit. They talk about it being kind of

828
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:55.320
Stepford and Maide's tail kind of.

829
00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:59.960
I've only seen clips of Stefford Wives, and it's it's

830
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:03.320
clips because I was too young when it came out

831
00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:05.519
that my parents were watching it, and so I didn't like.

832
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:08.119
I wasn't entertained, so I was like watching them with them,

833
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:09.920
but I wasn't, So I have clips in my brain

834
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:13.159
of what it was, if that makes sense. Uh, And

835
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:15.480
as soon as they show any of this, it already

836
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:17.519
clicked in my head. Here's how I'm not gonna mention

837
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:19.719
here either, but there's an Arian Sacramento that I was

838
00:40:19.719 --> 00:40:22.239
looking to buy a house and I was driving around

839
00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:25.360
and uh, it was like a newer development and I'm

840
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:27.800
walking around and it felt like that, Like it felt

841
00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:31.199
like paid actors were out there playing tennis, like to

842
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:32.840
get me to want to live here, and they're just

843
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:35.760
everyone's smiling and waving at you, playing fucking tennis and shit,

844
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:39.440
and you're like, this is fake. What's the Jim Carrey movie? Oh,

845
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:43.079
Truman show Truman? Yeah, same idea, Yeah, same idea. You're like, dude,

846
00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:45.039
what the fuck are you people on? What is going on?

847
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:47.239
Yeah?

848
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:50.239
And I'm all for a community and I'm a bad neighbor.

849
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:52.119
I don't I wave to my neighbors and say hi

850
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:52.639
or whatever.

851
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:53.599
But like that's it.

852
00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:56.119
Yeah, but I don't want they hit that other extreme either.

853
00:40:56.920 --> 00:41:00.119
Part of it, like the way the children are dressed.

854
00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:03.239
Is yeah, they mentioned that too. I see. Like that's

855
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:07.000
where like some of this you're like, damn, like the

856
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:10.960
attention to detail of this chick or her counsel's brain,

857
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:13.760
you know, to really like that's where it probably is.

858
00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:18.440
Majority of colts are run by smart people, whether you

859
00:41:18.440 --> 00:41:21.280
want to admit it or not, they're smart, and it

860
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:24.199
probably is on purpose. Although we just made arguments how

861
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:25.760
it could not be with the bands and stuff, but

862
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:28.960
chances are it is because like there's something in their

863
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:32.280
brain where they understand how this will all lead to

864
00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:34.639
more control over her community.

865
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:36.599
Right, you know what I mean, because the more that

866
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:38.400
people can form, the more control you at.

867
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:42.000
Right, and even how detailed, why did they dress like

868
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:44.440
the turn of the century or why. I'm sure there's

869
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:47.119
something in her brain that made logic and it probably worked. Yeah,

870
00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:48.280
it obviously did work. Yeah.

871
00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:50.800
The kids are just like like out of the nineteen

872
00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:53.519
seventy nine Laura Ashley catalog.

873
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:56.159
You know, yeah, I've seen like my my the Italian

874
00:41:56.239 --> 00:41:58.440
side that like floated over here. When they were kids,

875
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:03.559
they were dressed like that portraits that very godfather. Yeah yeah, yeah,

876
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:05.519
my grandpa's dressed up like as a little girl kind

877
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:05.880
of like that.

878
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:10.280
Uh yeah yeah yeah. So just to get back to

879
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:13.480
her origin a little bit, she she grew up in

880
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:16.159
a cleaner plate family. A lot of people developed I

881
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:19.079
did to weight loss issues or weight issues around the

882
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:19.719
cleaner plate.

883
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:21.440
Even though I'm still kind of I still kind of

884
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:24.199
agree with it, Like, don't like my mom fucking cooked hard,

885
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:26.920
don't waste her shit and her money. He little bastards but.

886
00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:29.840
At the same time, like eat only as much as.

887
00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:31.840
You really don't put as much on your plate.

888
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:32.920
Yeah, don't put as much on it.

889
00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:35.400
I think that's the lesson. Yeah, right, exactly.

890
00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:42.880
She started viewing restless hunger, her restless hunger as sinfulness. So,

891
00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:47.079
like so many of these things, she's trying to like

892
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:52.480
purge her own demons as she starts this whole thin

893
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:54.840
eating is what she called it.

894
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:56.239
In her book. They kind of talk about, I think

895
00:42:56.360 --> 00:42:58.639
the timeline is they talk about more intuitive eating because

896
00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:01.199
she just got out of you know, Dietitian school and stuff.

897
00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:02.599
You're like, all right, that makes sense. And then when

898
00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:05.880
they go into the religion, they more talk about fasting. Yes,

899
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:10.079
which obviously for anyone out there besides your religious beliefs

900
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:11.760
by all means, which is hard, right, because there's other

901
00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:14.280
religions that fast a lot. Yeah, almost every religion. I

902
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:18.239
think even even Catholicism there's some fasting mention. Not everybody practices,

903
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:21.400
but so like I understand it, and I also understand

904
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:24.400
the practice of it from a non health standpoint, to

905
00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:27.679
try to strip yourself of what's going on externally and

906
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:30.360
focus on what's internally. We're always focusing on the brownies

907
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:31.760
that are in front of me. I could focus more

908
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:33.599
internally about how to be a good person or whatever.

909
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:36.360
But they like use it as a punishment for a

910
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:38.760
fet you are and to lose more weight quicker.

911
00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:42.960
And there are indercrin effects for from for sure fasting.

912
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:46.280
And I don't mean like, oh, you make more yah

913
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:51.280
or whatever. No, it's like you actually you're you experience

914
00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:54.480
a certain amount of euphoria around the hunger. Sure, and

915
00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:57.760
that's a chemical reaction. That's not a you know, you're

916
00:43:57.800 --> 00:43:59.719
not getting closer to God your.

917
00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:01.159
Body and it's probably not good.

918
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:03.440
Yeah, probably not a good thing to do all the time.

919
00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:05.079
Yeah, you could also get that same thing by not

920
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:07.480
sleeping for like seven days. You're gonna start to see aliens.

921
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:09.000
But does it partly doesn't mean it's a good thing.

922
00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:10.880
Yeah.

923
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:13.519
Some of the things that she said, run to God

924
00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:19.800
instead of food. Stop being obedient to the god of food.

925
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:24.800
And like all that and like basic theory is fine. Yeah,

926
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:25.239
don't make it.

927
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:28.039
Don't change your relationship right food so that it's not

928
00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:28.800
the center.

929
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:29.000
Of your world.

930
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:32.559
Stop bowing down to the refrigerator. There was no no

931
00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:37.719
calorie counting, which is an interesting turn. But The really

932
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:40.119
freaky thing to me is no exercise.

933
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:42.079
Yeah nothing was ever mentioned.

934
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:45.320
Yeah, well it it literally says no exercise at no

935
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:50.840
calorie counting, no exercise. Well, so without exercising or counting calories,

936
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:51.199
you can.

937
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:54.440
But for the if we go back to like marketing

938
00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:57.800
and everyone having self esteem issues but wanting the magic

939
00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:00.360
pill to lose weight, if I tell you you can

940
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:02.000
have the body of your dreams you don't even have

941
00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:05.079
to exercise, sounds way better than Hey, Jim, I could

942
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:06.639
get you the body of your dreams. But we're gonna

943
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:09.159
have to train really really hard four times a week. Like,

944
00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:11.960
which pill are you buying? Right? Exactly, you're not buying mine.

945
00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:14.639
And that's why powerlifting is a hard cell.

946
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:18.360
And we also know that if people lose weight by

947
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:24.599
just not eating really not not eating nearly enough or

948
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:28.639
protein or veggies, yeah, yeah, it's not sustainable. He bounce back,

949
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:29.280
and it's worse.

950
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:32.079
And yeah, you can be skinny and be diabetic if

951
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:34.679
if if, if you're fucking not eating for a day

952
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:36.599
and then the only thing you do eat is white

953
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:39.559
bread and skittles. Yeah, you know, like that's yeah, if

954
00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:40.920
you're not learning habits.

955
00:45:41.800 --> 00:45:45.880
Wait until you're physically hungry and only eat until you're satisfied. Great,

956
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:48.199
this is something that totally makes sense. Great, it's like,

957
00:45:48.280 --> 00:45:51.360
on its face, yeah, exactly, fine, that's exactly what you

958
00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:54.360
should do, even if it even like meal time runs

959
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:57.559
around and you're not hu hungry, eat later, just a

960
00:45:57.639 --> 00:45:59.960
tiny bit, eat enough and then go on.

961
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:02.480
Right. I mean she has a you know, dietetic background,

962
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:06.960
Like she's not a complete moron, right, but yeah.

963
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:10.039
Falling out of food, of love with food and into.

964
00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:11.679
Love with God again.

965
00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:16.719
Okay, yeah, okay. If it's just about getting you know,

966
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:19.519
food out of the center of your life, right then

967
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:23.400
that that actually makes them sense. But that's a that

968
00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:27.400
is not something you can just decide, right, Like that's yeah,

969
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:28.320
there's iractice.

970
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:29.880
There's a lot of work around that. And she does

971
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:31.800
start to stretch that too. In one of the interviews,

972
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:34.079
she talks about like, yeah, people are dropping alcohol and

973
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:36.559
drugs and smoking and pornography, and I'm like yeah, and

974
00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:38.559
like theory that's all great too, Like if you put

975
00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:42.159
your focus on hope or faith or positivity or being

976
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:44.239
a good human and you take it away from these

977
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:47.119
things which are arguably not that negative, right, Like you

978
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:49.960
can argue all you want porn and food and all

979
00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:52.159
this stuff so bad for you, But you know, moderation.

980
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:54.599
You got one life to live, man, Moderation will be

981
00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:58.159
just fine. But I can get behind Yeah, let's focus

982
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:00.519
on being a good human. Let's get more introspective. And

983
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:03.599
if that version of that for you is God or

984
00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:07.400
that word or that thought rather than spirit or soul

985
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:09.719
or universe or whatever the hell you want to put

986
00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:12.000
in there in that phrase, I can get behind it.

987
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:16.400
And that's it. But again, that's why our podcast is

988
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:18.559
our podcast and we're not number one on iTunes because

989
00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:21.559
we never demonize. I'm not going black and white just

990
00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:23.679
to sell shit. Yeah, but that's how you get that's

991
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:26.480
how you tap into people's self esteem. No, man, if

992
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:28.960
you guys just don't eat green beans, you're gonna get jacked.

993
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:30.679
Then you write a book on that, and now all

994
00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:33.079
of a sudden you're popular. Where if you talk about

995
00:47:33.159 --> 00:47:35.679
moderation and some healthy habits, it's not as sexy.

996
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:36.880
It's not nearly as sexy.

997
00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:37.119
Yeah.

998
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:38.639
The other way that you do it is that you

999
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:41.320
have people like this crazy woman on your show to

1000
00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:44.400
talk crazy shit, and then both sides it.

1001
00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:46.719
And then you know yeah, you platform crazy.

1002
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:51.079
Yeah exactly. I was gonna say, Oh, one of the

1003
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:53.519
things that really struck me and it and I think

1004
00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:58.159
it it obviously predates social media. It's you have seen

1005
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:00.719
it in ads forever, but now we seen in social

1006
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:04.400
media all the time and you can't even monetize it anymore.

1007
00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:08.840
As like before and after stuff they did. They brought

1008
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:11.360
people up on stage in the church with their old

1009
00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:14.599
clothes to show how much weight day had lost and stuff,

1010
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:17.559
and that you know, that's a very emotional thing for

1011
00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:22.000
people to to to show that difference that they've made

1012
00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:25.480
and seeing in person is a huge impact on people

1013
00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:29.079
as well. Uh, it's it's just a it's a it's

1014
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:30.119
a fraud image.

1015
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:33.639
It's it's and again like if you have like a

1016
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:37.840
decent exercise nutrition program you're selling, I don't think there's

1017
00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:41.079
anything wrong with that, right, Like testimonials are great, but yeah,

1018
00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:44.119
if you're saying you're going to hell because you're fat

1019
00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:46.880
or whatever, yeah, now you're stretching lines.

1020
00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:49.920
And the crazy thing too is that whenever anybody gets

1021
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:54.960
started in something new new workout, new diet, whatever, they

1022
00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:58.679
have that zelotry about them at the beginning that if

1023
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:01.559
if your intent was to create a cult.

1024
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:04.119
You could do it, sure, I mean, that's the joke

1025
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:05.960
about crossover, right. How do you know someone does cross

1026
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:07.440
it because they tell you the first time, to tell

1027
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:12.559
you exactly air vegan or carnivore, insert whatever the hell's

1028
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:13.320
popular right now.

1029
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:16.239
Yeah.

1030
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:18.639
A move that I don't understand. We touched on this

1031
00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:23.159
earlier was the when she created this new you know,

1032
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:26.039
denomination religion to whatever you want to call it. She

1033
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:31.079
lost half because these these programs, these way down programs,

1034
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:34.400
were in churches everywhere, and when she started her own church,

1035
00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:38.840
she literally lost half of her following. By saying that

1036
00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:42.360
that she didn't know she no longer believed in, you know,

1037
00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:44.920
the Holy Trinity, the Father's Son, and a holy ghost.

1038
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:47.760
Doesn't it's just just not I'm not doing that.

1039
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:50.719
I got the answer, Okay. I think by that point

1040
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:55.599
she was already like financially well well well off, and

1041
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:58.920
now it became an ego power thing. So she depth

1042
00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:05.960
she she she chose to choose a depth of following

1043
00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:12.400
and a zealotry over masses people who were just half

1044
00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:14.679
in or kind of in or yeah. So she's like,

1045
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:17.360
and maybe that's intentional, or maybe it's not maybe. I mean,

1046
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:19.480
who knows, right, because hopefully these other episodes, so she

1047
00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:21.280
could just be batchit crazy and just made this shit

1048
00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:23.000
up and just set it. Yeah, you know what I mean?

1049
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:25.719
Or if the plan that kind of makes sense to me, Like,

1050
00:50:25.719 --> 00:50:28.719
if you're conniving, you would rather have a hundred soldiers

1051
00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:31.639
that'll die for you than a thousand soldiers that'll kind

1052
00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:32.199
of fight for you.

1053
00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:35.000
And not every Christian denomination actually believes in the in

1054
00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:37.159
the Trinity, but or their own.

1055
00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:39.000
Yeah, they interpreted a million ways.

1056
00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:42.400
Yeah, it's very Catholic, and it's very mainstream Protestant, and

1057
00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:46.760
that's the majority of you know, for sure, America. I

1058
00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:49.760
don't know why she would other than what you're saying,

1059
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:50.800
I don't know why she would do it.

1060
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:52.199
I think the black and white things.

1061
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:54.960
I think you can you can probably pull more money

1062
00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:58.679
out of a smaller group of heavily devoted people than

1063
00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:01.719
you can out of a broad group and power there

1064
00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:02.760
was a mixture and.

1065
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:06.079
Your ego, right, Like, again, she's got five hundred thousand

1066
00:51:06.079 --> 00:51:07.840
people that will die for her versus a million that

1067
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:10.519
kind of care and actually only losing fifty percent is

1068
00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:12.880
not that crazy? Yeah, right, Like that's not that big

1069
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:15.079
of a sacrifice. It's not like she just kicked all

1070
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:18.119
her audience. Yeah yeah, and that was only in person

1071
00:51:18.320 --> 00:51:21.280
at least, how they say, yeah, that was only in

1072
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:23.760
person ish transformation, but who knows.

1073
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:27.519
Yeah, but just like church's denounced all over the place,

1074
00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:31.000
they've banned her program because again that's also about power,

1075
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:34.360
right yeah, yeah, opposite side. You can't even do this

1076
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:39.039
diet thing with someone who believes differently than we do. Yeah,

1077
00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:43.199
which is all that's scary too, right when it comes

1078
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:43.639
right down, and.

1079
00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:45.920
That's probably where the darkness starts to creep in. In further

1080
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:46.480
episodes of.

1081
00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:49.400
Imagine, and then towards the end this episode we meet

1082
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:52.119
her second husband. We find out that she essentially just

1083
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:54.960
dismissed her first husband because he wasn't looking for a

1084
00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:57.920
divorce and he was actually a minister. Yeah, yeah, he

1085
00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:00.519
was the one who back minister. Well, you have to

1086
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:03.199
learn about this stuff to be able to copy it

1087
00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:04.320
in your own manipulat way.

1088
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:06.840
Yeah, right, she could have. There's no way. She never

1089
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:09.079
goes to church in her entire life and then becomes

1090
00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:12.440
this right, exactly prophet. They believe she's a fucking prophet.

1091
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:16.280
Yeah you know, yeah, exactly. So that's how I'm surprised.

1092
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:17.039
I've never heard of this.

1093
00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:22.679
She he bailed from the church after the first uh

1094
00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:27.239
two years now something like that guy. Yeah, and then

1095
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:34.400
after they got divorced, she immediately married the other guy.

1096
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:34.800
Yeah.

1097
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:38.119
Uh, the total fake.

1098
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:40.639
Schischer trying to kick the bomb out, Yeah, try to

1099
00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:41.400
take the kids.

1100
00:52:41.679 --> 00:52:47.639
Yeah, this guy was a he was in Tarzan in

1101
00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:51.639
New York. Really, he was starred in Tarzan in New York,

1102
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:53.960
which is a just a random yeah, just like a

1103
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:58.360
c r D movie, TV movie, something like that. And

1104
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:04.079
they've fought the his baby mama for custody of the

1105
00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:07.559
kid because they wanted to, you know, bring this kid

1106
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:09.039
up in this bizarre as religion.

1107
00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:11.239
Yeah, I wonder where the baby mom or the ex

1108
00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:14.840
wife probably has more on the story. She is interviewed

1109
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:16.920
a decent amount and talking about how she fought back,

1110
00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:20.519
and I was probably unexpected on their half that this big, powerful,

1111
00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:23.760
you know, religious leader is now getting fought by this

1112
00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:24.559
random mom.

1113
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:28.639
A five part documentary series, and I'm assuming that they'll

1114
00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:31.800
probably be yet another part that that they released.

1115
00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:34.519
Later, Yeah, as a time or weekly or whatever.

1116
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:39.400
Having to do more with with the impact of her

1117
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:40.199
dying and stuff.

1118
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:43.880
But yeah, check it out. It's on HBO. We'll probably

1119
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:49.280
do very least one other episode on it. Yeah, probably

1120
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:52.159
more if if the next episodes we watch have enough

1121
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:54.000
info on it and tweet us let us know if

1122
00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:56.760
you liked it, what you think, and if you want

1123
00:53:56.800 --> 00:53:57.360
to join our.

1124
00:53:57.280 --> 00:54:03.400
Cult exactly, you can find us at fifty percent facts.

1125
00:54:03.639 --> 00:54:06.000
Percent is a word. Fifty just numbers. I am at

1126
00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:09.960
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1127
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:13.800
Mike with two k's are everywhere. Our brand is three

1128
00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:16.960
SB dot Co. And this gym is third three Barbell.

1129
00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:19.239
However you want to spell third, you will get here

1130
00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:21.079
and we'll talk to you next week.

1131
00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:35.679
And they're coming up with the brand new ship next week.

1132
00:54:35.679 --> 00:54:37.719
I didn't know so soon, So next week.

1133
00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:44.360
I am I'm audio. I liked the I like the

1134
00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:47.079
previous series that I was in Six Feet Under, especially

1135
00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:49.320
the first season. The first season the Six Feet Under

1136
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:54.159
might be one of the most perfect episode or seasons

1137
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:57.519
of any televist seasons of any television show ever.

1138
00:54:57.679 --> 00:54:58.599
Yeah, I haven't seen it.

1139
00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:03.719
The writing is so good, the the the premise is

1140
00:55:03.760 --> 00:55:09.119
so well established, and and even with that, there are twists.

1141
00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:11.000
Along the way that you like and don't expect.

1142
00:55:11.159 --> 00:55:12.639
Yeah, yeah, it's really really good.

1143
00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:14.519
Dexters like that too, but then a couple things get

1144
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:15.400
a little predictable.

1145
00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:18.320
Well they did, they did this new season to sort

1146
00:55:18.360 --> 00:55:20.280
of erase the memory of the last season where the

1147
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:23.159
guy who was the original showrunner and creator was not involved.

1148
00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:27.039
Yeah, why is that just like the norm like Star

1149
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:29.719
Wars or Yeah, I mean I get contracts and money

1150
00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:32.440
and maybe creativity, you know, because they're well we always

1151
00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:35.199
forget about like directors and producers like they're creatives, they're

1152
00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:37.639
they're humans, and so if they're burnt out and maybe

1153
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:39.239
they did run out of ideas or you know, like

1154
00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:41.519
I understand that, but it just seems like SUTs the

1155
00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:43.199
norm with like Game of Thrones and even like Star

1156
00:55:43.239 --> 00:55:44.239
Wars stuff or whatever.

1157
00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:49.719
Everyone just like with having tried to create powerlifting content

1158
00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:54.960
with some regularities since two thousand and six and podcasting

1159
00:55:55.039 --> 00:56:00.119
with great regularity since late two thousand and eight. Yeah, oh,

1160
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:03.559
excuse me, in twenty thirteen, pardon me, eight years. So

1161
00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:05.599
it's hard, it gets hard.

1162
00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:05.960
It's hard.

1163
00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:08.559
You run out of ideas and you need to keep

1164
00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:11.280
pivoting toward different things and then when you do that,

1165
00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:12.480
people bitch at you, and.

1166
00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:14.639
Right, you can never win. And I do understand. Also

1167
00:56:14.679 --> 00:56:17.480
everyone gets mad ninety two and something that like everything's

1168
00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:21.719
a remaker, everything's a sql. But like movies were new

1169
00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:24.320
in nineteen fifty, you know what I mean, Like now,

1170
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:26.440
like it's hard to come up with anything you do.

1171
00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:29.039
It's hard to come up with an original idea, right,

1172
00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:31.800
people say there's no such thing. But and then even that,

1173
00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:33.559
you know what I mean, to come like fucking left

1174
00:56:33.559 --> 00:56:35.840
Field out of nowhere. You've seen the.

1175
00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:38.199
Series, you yo, you, I haven't seen it now.

1176
00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:40.039
So first season I thought was really kind of like

1177
00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:42.039
you just said, maybe not the perfect thing, but like

1178
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:45.480
really good shit. You didn't expect left Field, and you

1179
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:47.760
really feel the type of way about all this. And

1180
00:56:47.800 --> 00:56:50.039
then season two and three it feels like every other

1181
00:56:50.119 --> 00:56:52.639
kind of like murder show I've ever seen, you know,

1182
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:55.079
just like the Normalist. And it's fine, like I'll watch it,

1183
00:56:55.119 --> 00:56:55.840
but it's not like.

1184
00:56:55.880 --> 00:56:57.000
It falls into a pattern.

1185
00:56:57.079 --> 00:56:58.679
Yeah, the first one you're like, oh, dang, this is

1186
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:00.960
kind of crazy. Indexter's like that too, and Dexter is

1187
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:03.840
a little bit older too, but yeah, I don't know,

1188
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:05.960
I don't know Game of Thrones, right, it's based on

1189
00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:08.199
a book, and so that that that hits pretty good

1190
00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:10.719
and you get you get like more info already. When

1191
00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:13.440
you're a director, right, yeah, you have this piece of

1192
00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:14.960
work that you're manipulating.

1193
00:57:16.360 --> 00:57:17.920
I don't know, but I think too it like if

1194
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:22.400
you're a if you're a writer, if you do music, whatever,

1195
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:24.679
the first thing you did is the one that's been

1196
00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:28.679
you've been holding on to and and and reworking and

1197
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:31.480
whatever forever. Yeah, the next one is the one.

1198
00:57:31.360 --> 00:57:33.239
That's hard, right because now you're trying to back up

1199
00:57:33.320 --> 00:57:36.840
or play off of or uh Ozark's another one. Yeah,

1200
00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:39.280
but I think all three rip. I love all three seasons.

1201
00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:42.440
The third season is darker than I wish it was.

1202
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:45.800
You wanted to keep uh I needed more.

1203
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:47.679
Of a balance between dark and light, and there's just

1204
00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:49.559
almost no light in season three.

1205
00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:51.400
Of those are yeah, maybe it'll come back, maybe not.

1206
00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:55.039
It does also it Yeah, I agree. I don't mind

1207
00:57:55.079 --> 00:57:57.119
it though, just because why I look at Bateman, I

1208
00:57:57.199 --> 00:57:59.880
kind of feel light regardless because in that whole thing,

1209
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:02.400
he's not like comedic like he is and other stuff,

1210
00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:04.719
but he's kind of dry. He's like you know what

1211
00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:07.360
it is kind of funny even though it shouldn't be.

1212
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:10.360
Yeah. I listened to a podcast that he does. It's

1213
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:13.840
called SmartLess. He does it with Will Arnett, who does

1214
00:58:13.960 --> 00:58:17.360
a million voices, and then Sean Hayes who was in

1215
00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:19.760
Will and Grace.

1216
00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:21.719
You know, weird big names like that of a podcast.

1217
00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:22.360
Maybe it's just weird.

1218
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:25.400
Well they started they started in lockdown.

1219
00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:28.400
Yeah, so or what's the other one that rips or

1220
00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:30.760
does a lot of downloads, Dak Shephard And I thought

1221
00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:32.400
he's a huge name. He's like a b cless guy.

1222
00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:33.280
But it's just weird to me.

1223
00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:38.159
He made his name in podcasting. He was he was

1224
00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:41.079
no he was married to Kristen Bell, and people knew

1225
00:58:41.079 --> 00:58:41.480
about him.

1226
00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:44.599
He's been in a million things kind of yeah.

1227
00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:47.360
Right, yeah, sort of been Yeah, he's been adjacent. He's

1228
00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:49.440
been celebrity adjacent for a long time.

1229
00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:51.559
Yeah. Yeah, he knows everybody and he's in the scene,

1230
00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:53.760
but he's not the guy. But that's like even in

1231
00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:55.679
the beginning, when like Kevin Hart and the Rock came

1232
00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:58.440
to YouTube, I was like, this just feels weird. Yeah,

1233
00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:00.840
you know, yeah, like what are you doing over here?

1234
00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:04.320
And you know, obviously we've experienced too when you pivot,

1235
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:07.280
Like we've burned off a bunch of audience by not

1236
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:11.320
by not interviewing fitness influencers every week. We just have

1237
00:59:11.559 --> 00:59:15.960
it's just obviously, but our interests changed and we have

1238
00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:19.119
to follow the things that that that we can sustain.

1239
00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:21.880
Yeah, it would be a shitty interview. Yeah, exactly, be

1240
00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:23.559
a shitty interview. And what are you gonna do? I mean,

1241
00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:26.480
you talk the next Olympic mister Olympia, like he's eating

1242
00:59:26.480 --> 00:59:27.440
the same chicken ricey other.

1243
00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:30.960
Yeah. Well yeah, And the thing is though that some

1244
00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:33.400
some part of the audience is always gonna want that thing,

1245
00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:35.559
regardless of how shitty you do.

1246
00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:38.280
It or the brand new audience. There's always a brand

1247
00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:40.440
new audience. There's always a brand new who found their

1248
00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:41.360
new favorite bodybuilding.

1249
00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:44.599
Yeah, and we don't this I will freely admit as

1250
00:59:44.679 --> 00:59:48.000
a as a producer, this is my fault. Like this

1251
00:59:48.079 --> 00:59:50.239
show doesn't have a lot of on ramp. We don't

1252
00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:54.280
really like we don't introduce ourselves at the beginning. Yeah,

1253
00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:57.159
you pretty much have to know who we are whatever. Whatever.

1254
00:59:57.639 --> 01:00:00.480
When I see when I listen to h you know,

1255
01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:04.599
Masynonomics podcast, they came after us, they patterned themselves somewhat

1256
01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:08.159
after things we used to do, and they are so

1257
01:00:08.360 --> 01:00:11.800
much more regimented, like that did they introduce themselves, they

1258
01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:14.719
run their ads all that stuff, and fuck them.

1259
01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:17.079
We could do it. We could do all those things.

1260
01:00:17.119 --> 01:00:19.760
I just don't know how much it would help that too.

1261
01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:22.239
And I do feel like at the end of the day,

1262
01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:24.559
the point of YouTube and podcast is that you are

1263
01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:28.039
just you. Yeah, and that's what you and I are doing. Yeah. Yeah,

1264
01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:29.920
I'm real good at being me. I've said this many

1265
01:00:29.920 --> 01:00:31.960
times on Twitter. I'm not good to a lot of things,

1266
01:00:31.960 --> 01:00:34.800
but I'm really good at being me. Yeah, which sounds stupid,

1267
01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:36.960
but I honestly think people aren't. They don't know who

1268
01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:39.679
they are. I agree with that, right, So that's the

1269
01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:41.400
same idea. Like you do a podcast like oh I

1270
01:00:41.400 --> 01:00:43.159
love Joe Rogan, then you try to do your podcast

1271
01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:45.159
like Joe Rogan, like bitch you ain Joe Rogan. You

1272
01:00:45.199 --> 01:00:47.360
don't have that, So why don't you just be you?

1273
01:00:47.880 --> 01:00:48.079
Yeah?

1274
01:00:48.639 --> 01:00:49.639
But people don't know who they are?

1275
01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:52.920
Yeah, people don't exactly. There's your philosophy, kids, And I

1276
01:00:53.159 --> 01:00:57.000
used to say that if somebody is doing long form podcasting,

1277
01:00:57.400 --> 01:01:00.280
you're seeing who they are. There's like no chance there

1278
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:03.360
that there's nothing, that there's other stuff going on with it.

1279
01:01:03.400 --> 01:01:05.119
But I when I look backwards, I know that that

1280
01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:09.519
is not true. People people who we're gonna get sociopathic whatever,

1281
01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:12.079
they can keep up any front forever.

1282
01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:16.559
I think I think you get to know, well, if

1283
01:01:16.599 --> 01:01:21.239
we're going sociopath or psychopath, that's a whole different conversation because, yeah,

1284
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:24.159
their life is not being them, yeah right, that like

1285
01:01:24.199 --> 01:01:26.400
the goal of a psychopath is to not show his

1286
01:01:26.440 --> 01:01:29.679
true colors, right or her true colors, right. But I

1287
01:01:29.679 --> 01:01:31.440
think I think your right still. And I've said the

1288
01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:33.639
same thing with live streaming, or you can like have

1289
01:01:33.679 --> 01:01:36.239
a gimmick and like rev up. But if you're not

1290
01:01:36.280 --> 01:01:38.599
only doing long format, but you do long format for

1291
01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:40.880
a long time. Because you do long you can do

1292
01:01:40.920 --> 01:01:43.480
three episodes or three hours and put on an act, right,

1293
01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:43.800
That's called