Oct. 13, 2023

Trap bar dead only if you don’t compete in powerlifting?

Trap bar dead only if you don’t compete in powerlifting?

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If you’re not competing in powerlifting, are there any good reasons to deadlift with a straight bar rather than at trap bar? What would you be giving up, and what would you be gaining? If you do compete, should...

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This week’s question comes from…us.

If you’re not competing in powerlifting, are there any good reasons to deadlift with a straight bar rather than at trap bar? What would you be giving up, and what would you be gaining? If you do compete, should you do trap bar deads at all?

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Welcome to One Good Question our Friday
episodes of Facts. This week this is

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this is a self generated question.
I haven't seen anybody ask it anywhere,

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but it's worth talking about for sure. The question is, if you were

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not planning to compete in powerlifting,
Yeah, should you do a regular deadlift

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if you have access to a trap
bar? Yeah? I think yeah,

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trap bar versus deadlift or even like
conventional versus sumo, there's kind of like

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three options. Yeah. I think
should is just so basic, right,

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so, like, yeah, are
we focusing on physique? Do we care

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about strength? I do think that
the straight bar conventional deadlift has probably the

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best like forced levers to grow hammy
and glute strength and all around connect because

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as soon as you get into the
trap bar, depending on how you pull

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it. Obviously, if you have
really good body control, you can do

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it however you want. But majority
of folks the benefit is that you can

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get more upright torso yeah, but
then you're taking away your hammies and glutes

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like you're still using them, but
it's a lot more quad driven, and

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then it's like a lower loaded squat. So tons of athletes and stuff.

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I think it's great because you know, you can hop onto a machine.

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It really is like personal previence because
then you can hop on a leg,

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curl and work your hammies separate.
You can do an RDL with a cable

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or dumbbells and hit your hinge.
But I think the biggest thing for me

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is that a conventional straight bar deadlift
is probably the best hinge in the game.

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Okay, but the trap bar because
it's not a direct replacement, although

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it is a deadlift. Yeah,
same with like a dump squad people would

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call it, but that's kind of
like a sumo deadlift people call it it.

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I think a dump squad where it's
like a kettlebell between your legs,

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so you're kind of sumo stance.
But again, like even the sumo deadlift

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is more quad dominant than hammy and
glute compared to the conventional so it depends

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what you're kind of focusing on.
For a long time, people thought the

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sumo hit more glutes, but it
literally just doesn't. We have to look

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at range of motion of the of
the hip itself and the hip extension,

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and then you know how much knee
bends happening, and the sumo obviously depending

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on levers of your arms. The
truth is, and we I literally just

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did the YouTube on it, Like, you don't need a deadlift at all.

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Picking up something off the ground is
probably good. You know, there's

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probably nothing bad there. But if
like you're just worried about your physique or

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even general movement, I mean,
you can do lunges and stuff, right

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that gets you through a deeper range
of motion of kind of picking something off

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the ground. You don't have to
perfectly emulate that, but right now I'm

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kind of like that, right.
I don't compete and bodybuilding, power lifting,

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I don't compete in shit but life. And I conventional deadlift because I

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enjoy it. I conventional deadlift because
I think it's just like one of the

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best like pure strength movements. Uh. And then it's my main hanmy and

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glute movement. A thing to say
for trap bar deadlifts, the load is

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more central to your body, so
you just see, you can you can

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be more upright. You have less
need of a belt often, yeah,

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because you're more upright. Less you're
upright sure, and your arms are like

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kind of at your hips already,
or a conventional deadlift, your arms are

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going to kind of be in front
of you kind of torquing on your rigidity

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or torso testing it. And the
number of people that I have seen over

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the course of the time that I've
been been involved in powerlifting who've actually hurt

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their lower back. Deadlifting is relatively
low ybe maybe hurt, but maybe not

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injured. Right. However, if
you're someone prone to lower back stuff,

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and you know, usually that's you
know, related to strength, but sometimes

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it's you know, arthritis or there's
you have a disc problem or whatever,

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a trap bar deadlift does really load
your lower back the same way, Yeah,

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which is good and bad. Right. It's good because you're not going

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to hurt your low back or feel
tension, But it's bad because your low

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back probably has to be in a
compromise position to really train the hammies,

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right right. That's kind of like
the we're moving these scales of what you

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need. So if that's the thing, like you should be working on strengthening

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that another way. Yeah, Yeah, you definitely could do a cable ar,

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dumb belts, lighter loads, more
manipulative, like you can move the

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weights around how you need. Yeah, but again, like, yeah,

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what makes a dead conventional deadlift good
is also what makes it like difficult and

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like I guess I hate to say
it, but yeah, like a hair

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sketchy Because the truth is, you
look at all the data, and Jim

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just said it, you look at
like legitimate empihicle data rather than our anecdotal

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fifteen years thirty years together training.
Literally, it goes like the safest activities

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on the planet go walking, bodybuilding, powerlifting, and then I think swimming.

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I think swimming. There's more real
injuries than fucking powershold yeah, just

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yeah, repetition, right, or
like lungs who knows what? Or like

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because you're kicking force more stuff on
your joints there, like moving shit faster

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baseball. Who has the most double
shoulder issues ever? Baseball? Right,

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it's not heavy weights, it's whipping
that shit fast. And yeah, water

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kind of stops that. Actually,
resistance probably helps it a little bit,

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right, because sprinters get injured more
than swimmers. Why is that because they're

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throwing force with no resistance. Swimming
there's light resistance in you're throwing force.

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And you can look it all the
way. If I go sprint right now,

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my chance to rip my hammi is
way high. If I sprint with

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the sled chances go down. Resistance
training is insanely safe and even the deadlift,

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despite many podcasts and many people on
bodybuilders and people in the world saying

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it's not, they're literally just wrong. I find that right right now I

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can pull more with the drap bar
than I can with the straight bar.

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Yeah, I think you'd be practice
because it's next to your it's sortady auto

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in your mid foot. You could
probably trap bar deadlift more than squad and

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deadlift probably, so you know,
that's everyone, that's everyone because and depending

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on the height, a typical trap
bar does have heightened hand handles all available.

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Yeah, many have low ones as
well, but either way, Yeah,

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it's dead midfoot, it's based around
you. You get to be more

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upright. It's just more more leverage
advantageous. And we have the kabuki open

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trap bar. Yeah it feels good. Yeah, you can kind of shrug

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it, row with it, walk
with it. Even athletes, you know,

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like most people can deadlift, you
know, and you don't have the

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max deadlift to get the bennies from
it. But trap bar for someone who's

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not a lifter is probably easier to
overload over time. Yeah, I hate

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to say safer but it's probably easier
to overload because the forms easier. Your

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body just like gets into the perfect
position. You learn how to brace,

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and you can you can trap our
deadlift. Conventional deadlift is more technical,

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and I think like people who have
have jobs picking up things, that's the

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position that they try to get you
to be right to pick things up.

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Yeah, big boxes or whatever you
gotta do. Yeah, so that you're

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your center of gravity is like very
midline. I would I would probably throw

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one of those in your repertoire if
you want to have a good life base.

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You know, a lot of people
say they train for life or whatever,

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whether they do or not. If
you're purely aesthetic BAS, you can

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probably ignore both to be honest,
And then if you are trying to be

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a powerlifter, I'd probably ignore the
trap bar. That's kind of where i'd

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probably throw those categories. If you
got a job and try to do life,

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you know, trap bar is probably
your easiest best mixed or general athletics.

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If you're a basketball player, et
cetera, you could probably do either,

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but probably lean towards the trap bar. If you're purely aesthetic BAS,

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you could do either, but you
don't need either, and then if you're

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a powerlifter, you just got to
get your hand on a straight bar at

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