Untold: Hall of Shame – A 50% Facts Review

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We're here to talk about Hall of
Shame. Our favorite topics steroids, steroids.

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Yeah, so I'm gonna what are
steroids? Is that your annivar?

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It's a bottle of ZMA from Snack
s n AC. This is the big

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product that came out of Balco.
What's us for everyone? What's snack sports

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Scientific nutrition for advanced cux. Yeah, he couldn't come conditioning. He couldn't

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come in with a k conditioning and
kicking ass. I don't know, I

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don't know. Hey, it was
He's smart, but I don't know if

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he's the branding guy. It was
the early adds. I mean, that's

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true. How crazy is that?
Like ZMA, which is highly touted now

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it's a clean efficacy is yeah,
but it came about in two new Yeah.

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I but I remember because I was
on the the Tenation forums back in

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that day and everyone was just fucking
head over heels for this shit. But

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was it? It was it's relation
to steroids and content. It was ABD

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effect, it was yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's exactly like

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CBD. Right. We were talking
to TEENA and I were talking to just

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like while you wouldn't out whatever whatever
you were doing, just rub Yeah,

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I got so excited about the podcast. Uh that ZMA probably makes a difference

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for people who have zinc or magnesium
deficiencies. I don't think it does anything

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for anybody else other than it will
make you shit. Yeah, I mean

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that's all yeah, magnesium, but
all all minerals, vitamins, any micronutrient

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doesn't have an added benefit. It
just has a hit your limit benefit or

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a negative. Yeah. Right,
So people are overdosing on all these D

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threes and B twelves and overdosing on
anything. Everybody just can't even absorb it.

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You just have to hit your recommended
limit and then you won't have a

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deficiency. But there's no supermax levels. You can carry very high levels apparently

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if you don't clear stuff. Because
I like, I was taking some B

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twelve for a while there, and
then the last time I had my blood

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worked done, my B twelve was
like six hundred times normal or something like

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that. I think it's a lot
of Americans because it's in energy drinks.

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It's in like they infuse into her
fucking bread. It's like everywhere. Yeah,

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they've ever looked at the back of
a five hour energy it's just B

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twelve. It's literally like seventy thousand
percent of your B twelve yea for the

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daily Yeah, it's like literally all
BE twelve people take B twelve shots somebody.

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That's not what you're like, Well, that was huge in the MLB.

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Yeah, it was the B twelve
injectables. Yeah, that's what uh

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Andrew Rodriguez said he was shooting up, but like a lot of those guys

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were shooting up B twelve for sure. For sure. And how fucking jacked

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is Jose con Sacco. He was
so sick jack. It looked like he

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had good dude. It looked like
he had a toothpick at the plate.

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Yeah, he had a toothpick.
It was pretty bombie. Yeah, Maguires,

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he didn't look as get good,
at least the footage they had there,

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because his head was kind of small, Like Casseco looked like the baseball

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player you're choosing in a video game. Yea. Conseco was sick, dude,

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he's so sick looking. There's that
classic picture of Conseco McGuire where they're

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just together and you're like, these
guys look sick. Yeah, the fucking

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yeah, their literal body. Because
there's other athletes, Lance armstrongs and obviously

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he's more on EPO, but a
bunch of people with peeds, even that

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sprinter. Yeah yeah, Lebron looked
fucking sick at two eighty five. But

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these guys literally look like IFBB's.
Yeah yeah, even Berry Berry didn't look

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that crazy. Berry was jacked.
Yeah, but the Jose and McGuire,

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even Sammy Sosa look good. But
those guys literally look like ifbbs. They

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look like Kai Green and fucking Brian
Shawt. You know, it was actually

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stupid. Yeah. Yeah, then
the pictures were taking it and they were

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getting super big too. You light
them up, Clemens yea. Even more

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recently, uh what's his name used
to he's the closer, Uh, Dominican

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guy, a super jack like stupid
Jack Away. He was picture for the

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Yankees. Uh he throws like one
oh seven. Uh, I can't think

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of his name. I don't know
shit about it. Great picture. Uh

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Chapman Chatman he was. There was
a picture of him in like training camp,

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but this cut off on. You're
like, oh, this dude can

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do a bodybuilding show tomorrow. Yeah, Like just how tall is he?

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Like sixths no six four? Just
a giant but like looks like he weighs

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three hundred fifty pounds. Because you
see some of the NFL, right,

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like you look at Miles Garrett,
and I think some of that could be

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it's potentially possible natural. I'm not
saying he is, but we got suspended

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Chapman. Oh yeah, you know
what I mean though, But like you

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see some and yeah, you know, I don't want to play the race

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card, but you know I ain't
looking like that. And well there,

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let's just say that there are people
who have a genetic makeup that allows them

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to carry lower body fat than the
rest of us and build muscle a little

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faster than the rest of us.
And so they have a particular look to

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them. And some of them have
more of another yeah, and an ethnic

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background than than a different. Yeah, when you got a little more melanin

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in your skin, sometimes your muscle
bellies are just a little bubblier and that

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just happens, you know, it's
just genetics. So like Myles Garrett's probably

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two sixty six, four sixty five, but then you know, he moves

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like he moves like Lebron you know, and he's one of the best defensive

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players in the NFL. So you're
like, all right, that could be

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done natural, because you hear the
argument of Lance Armstrong and even the mcguires.

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Everyone says like, well, I
was just doing what everyone else was

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doing. I just got caught.
But I don't know if that's true,

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Like we'll never know. Like then
why isn't everyone getting caught? I think

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it's legit. I think if I
had to put a number on and I'd

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say fifty fifty, you think fifty
percent of let's say MLB, NFL,

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NBA is a little different because like
pure strength, not that it will it

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will always be better. You're always
better stronger than week. But like pure

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strength, this won't say you as
far. But clearly, with hitting,

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if you already have your stroke down, you if you're timing down, being

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stronger is only gonna help. Yeah, well that was Barry Bonds, right,

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Yeah, like he's so good.
Just if you get if you can

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just get your hips to turn that
much faster and stronger, you're gonna blast

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that ship. He was all football
clearly, right, Football, Clearly,

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you're hitting humans all day, being
stronger is only gonna help. Sprinting is

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literally how much force you can put
into the ground, so you're gonna be

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better long chocolate, all of that. It's literally just force. Basketball gets

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a little weird, Soccer gets a
little weird. It's more probably walks more

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towards that line of epover h G
H. Right, if you're less if

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you're less beat up, if your
shoulders feel a little better, your knees

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feel a little better. You know, being stronger won't hurt. But it's

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not an effort thing to get the
ball in the rim. No, No,

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it's more of a finesse. But
like how I'm in my feeling like

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I didn't even play compared to somebody
who's gas Yeah, and then in the

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fourth quarter, if you feel like
the first quarter, you're gonna be a

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little more accurate. I think all
of sports combined into one probably like if

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I had a guess sixty percent not
forty percent on all sports combined. Yeah,

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I think if you started something for
some level, but we like talking

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about NFL, I think it's probably
like seventy percent. I was gonna say,

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are you gonna track and field?
Yeah? Oh, you're talking at

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the peak of like or the top
percentage of the top twenty percent guys.

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I would say most of them Jim, you want to give us just like

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a thirty second what Balco is before
we just dive into stairs steroids. What

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the whole BALCO's running about? Steroids? I know, but it's good because

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it is so related. But so, Balco is a company that was started

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by Victor Conti in the Bay Area
in the late nineties. Yeah, what'd

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they say, ninety five? Yeah, they ran for twenty years, so

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yeah, the late nineties been mid
to late nineties that was based around trying

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to optimize athletes, like labs basically
and blood work nutritionally. Where his back

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even though he doesn't even have a
background, it sounds like he was just

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a studious man. Ah yeah,
at the library, learns everything you can

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about performance in nutrition. Yeah,
he's call an autodidact people who taught themselves.

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He yeah, he definitely, And
I think he sought out people who

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were experts in the field or whatever. Yeah. He talked about hanging out

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with bodybuilders and talking about hanging out
with other like Barry Bond's coach and what

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was the other the big track maryon
Jones coach. Yea, yeah, Greg

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Anderson and and Mary and Jones's coasters. Dam I can't remember right now,

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so he probably picks up some ship
there. And uh, if you believe

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Conti, they didn't get involved in
steroids or you know technical Uh see us

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is gonna get the door technically like
performance enhancing drugs, not performance enhancing interventions,

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but illegal ones. Yeah, not
illegal drugs until until kind of late

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in the run. Really he said, he said two thousand and one.

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I think it's what he said,
Yeah, which which which tracks Victor Conti

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was a bass player. Yeah,
Yeah, that was weird. Why do

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you throw out Maybe this is just
me being a music head. He threw

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out Tower of Power. That's the
one he's known most for. But the

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video showed Herbie Hancock, Yeah,
which is a big deal. Herbie Hancock's

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a huge deal. Like, if
you know music, Herbie Hancock's fucking prince,

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you know, like that dude's a
fucking but yeah, well, Conti

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is a little bit of the child
child of the seventies and eighties, and

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Tower of Power a bigger deal.
Tower Power is much bigger than the Bay

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Area. Yeah, and Herbie because
that's where it came from. Yea,

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And Herbie's like more jazz funk's Yeah, he prays not on the radio and

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tower powers. You go to the
club and yeah, they're playing them.

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Yeah, the disco, I guess
exactly. So that was Balco. They

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they they people came to them.
They recruited athletes whatever to be in evolved

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in their program. They did tons
of labs or whatever, most famously baseball.

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Yeah, like on the public eye, like you said, kind of

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sounded I guess, well, Romanowski, Yeah so football. True. But

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I feel like when when the world
like moms or whatever, you say,

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oh Balco, Like, oh,
think about Sammy Sosa Bonds, Yeah,

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yeah, Bonds. I think it
was on the cover of the Balco book.

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I think yeah, because he was
like an orangent black themed book or

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he's the question mark right. Yeah, I didn't know that either. I

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didn't know. He never actually got
caught. He never got that's not the

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other argument for the Hall of Fame
is that he's never been he's never been

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conqued of anything. But they never
put him there, and he still holds

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the home run records where Sosa and
them are do not right because he well

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it's because he know in the top
ten. I don't I think they ripped

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them off. No, they're still
there were still there too. Yeah,

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oh, I didn't know that.
Baseball has never made that that they there's

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like they talk about asterisks around things, but that's just that there's still physical

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asterisk at all. I didn't know
that. I thought there was. That's

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that's the thing with with when Babe
Ruth's record was broken, Like the movie

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about that is sixty one asterisk,
but there's never been astual asterisk. And

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the big deal there was not about
drugs but something. No, they linked

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in the season. Oh yeah,
yeah, that's that's all fair because football

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is the same, right, Football
linked in the season. So like if

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you'll broad not get a title in
the bubble because it was a shorter season,

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yeah, they asterix that one.
They asterix rushing records in the NFL

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because you get four more games,
which I agree with that asterix If I

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do two thousand yards running in six
games and you do twenty one ten games,

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Yeah, I whoop that ass.
I think you just like, yeah,

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maybe there's just like a post post
two thousand and three records. I'm

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all fine with that. If you
start looking like Conseco and McGuire and we

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can't put a physical asterix on there, I've seen some dudes crank some balls

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that look like me and you,
Dean. We don't look like McGregor.

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No, or not McGregor McGuire.
No, those guys look fucking insane.

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They were enormous. They were huge. But I mean at the time,

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being a big baseball fan at the
time, you were kind of two minds

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about it. I particularly be because, like I knew about Balco from you

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know, te enation, which the
T in te nation is testosterone. They

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were very much behind the idea of
performance enhancement for you know, whatever legal

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or purpose. Yeah. I wasn't
like a user, but I was pretty

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deep. I learned a lot there, and they had I mean some important

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people came out of there, for
sure. YEA. Wendler got really popular

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there. Yeah. Then Bruno.
Everyone got a big start. Cressy,

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Yeah, Cressy, a lot and
a lot of yeah, a lot of

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guys not on steroids, big Bush
there, yeah, yeah, the Bruno

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Yeah, because he's you know,
the contia nowadays, not drug related,

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but he's training everybody from every sport. Yeah, he's kind of the latter

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day version of what's his name.
I'm blinking, just moved to Tennessee.

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Used to strength coach for the Lakers, not anymore. Friend of Jenn Weierstrom

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Peterson. I didn't know he moved
to Tennessee. Yep, he moved to

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Tennessee. Yeah. He's kind of
the latter day training people from home version

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of Gunnor Peterson. And actually when
I met them, I met them together.

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So anyway, uh, balco So
you wanted to You wanted to believe

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on the one hand that like there
were advances in advances in nutritional science and

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in training that would yield results that
we hadn't seen before on a regular basis.

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So you wanted to believe that,
and to a certain degree that was

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true. Yeah, I just think
the percent is overdone unless you're in the

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industry and now, and then on
the other hand, you're like it's probably

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stoids. Yeah, but how do
I feel about that? And like,

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largely I didn't care, So I've
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didn't care for sure. That's the
only baseball I watched. I've never been

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a baseball fan, but I'm fucking
watching Sammy Sosan and McGuire go crazy.

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I'm collecting the newspapers that it was
so fun Okay, so now we'll we'll

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dive into like the chronological of the
movie. But I have questions. So

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Barry Bonds, uh never got popped. No, there's a reason though,

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there's actually multiple reasons. But one
reason is that the years that he was

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on stuff, they didn't really have
mandatory tests. Yeah. Yeah, that

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blew my mind too. They said
it was illegal in the MLB, but

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they didn't do any tests, which
is fucking wild. Yeah. I mean

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the UFC before you saw it gone, when I heard the NFL was like

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that forever and maybe even kind of
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though now which you guys might have. So the I don't know if it's

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the public eye, but even in
the movie, it seemed like Conti and

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the movie kind of admitted Sosa Bonds
Romanowski or sorry, Sosa Maguire Romanowski,

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some of these people, Mary and
Jones. Obviously she did jail time.

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Uh we're on tiny Tim. He
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But it seemed like the movie and
Conti and even the culture before this movie,

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to my knowledge, agrees knows somehow
that they all took ship. But

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Bonds is this question mark? But
what is that did someone actually catch all

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these people? Did Kante just admit
it because of that paperwork? Did the

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paperwork I think found in the trash? Can I kind of uh incriminate them

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without throwing them in jail? Bonds
and so stand and they admitted to it,

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right and bonds And maybe that's the
the McGuire sort of admitted it.

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Kind of blame Consaco or something.
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thing that's missing from this is the
congressional hearing that all that. Yeah,

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and he didn't. He said,
I don't want to talk about the past.

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Maguire said, I don't want to
dwell in the past. I don't

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want to talk about the past.
We want to talk about your big ass

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head. Yeah he didn't, Yeah, he didn't. He didn't admit to

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anything there. The only time that
he admitted to anything was when he got

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back into baseball coaching. So he
people told him from a pr perspective,

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he needed to come out in like
maya culpa a little bit and say,

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yeah, I made some mistakes and
and so that's probably it though, right,

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that's probably what's kind of incriminated quote
unquote these people as they've either admitted

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themselves, or they were fined for
it and removed, Like Alex Arriguez was

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suspended for steroids. The Alex Rigez
was suspended for steroids because of the Mitchell

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Report that was generated by Major League
Baseball itself. They got, you know,

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they brought in a political legal figure
to run this investigation. It was

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also kind of bullshit in a lot
of ways. Yes, indeed they caught

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people, but they like there were
people who were let off the hook.

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Who were who were? They were
minor characters in the whole thing, and

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they were kind of let off the
hook. They did nothing to Alex's career.

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No, Yeah, because I was
like the number one analyst on MLB.

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People love tonight. He's like the
mains. He's the face of the

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MLB, still a big fat face
of Yeah. He's still like right there.

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Yeah, I mean obviously David Ortiz
was on steroids too. All those

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guys were on STERI yeah, one
of them. Well, the stats,

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all those big hitters, the stats
are not that crazy. They say Mark

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McGuire six five, the drafted at
two fifteen, but in nineteen six five

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he's a little two fifteen is six
five is pretty small. That's tiny.

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Kobe was six six, two twenty
and he would never say like, wow,

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Golbie's on dest well, and then
they say mcgret h McGuire at nineteen

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ninety nine, right, that's when
he broke the record. Ninety eight,

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that's when he was smashing. Was
two forty five but like four percent body

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fat. Yeah, obviously jacked,
right because he's not a bodybuilder, but

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like not really that jack. Like
I think you can be six four,

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six five, two twenty to two
fifty. I mean, look at Francis

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and Ghano. Yeah, and again
we're going to the you know, the

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race card, but yeah, and
Ghano's probably two fifty two sixty, probably

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leaner than McGuire. Have you seen
McGuire without a shirt on. You're all

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talking about I'm thinking about a bag
you're thinking about it. Those baggy jerseys,

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they those are pumped, Those are
pumped. Those are the real pump

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covers. Yeah, real pump.
He invented it to hide the steroid.

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His sleeves were big, he had, his arms were huge. Yeah,

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I know, I remember hearing like
twenty charms in this now, but you

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know that's not that's not giant.
I mean, really, six four is

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he that's true that Arnold at his
prime maybe six one six two two forty.

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No, he was. I don't
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I don't think so either. You
se him at the I know what,

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you get older street, but like
you stand next to him at the

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Arnold or when he's walking by with
the mob and it's like, I'm taller

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than this guy and I'm six foot
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whole Cogan uh interview on Rogan h
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and playing sports and shit, I
think they said he was six six sixty

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seven. He had twenty surgeries in
the last ten years. He said,

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he measured himself, he's six three. Yeah. I believe that. The

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knee, hip and back surgeries.
Holy fuck wow. So speaking about like

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body weight and heightened stuff, the
Giants just brought up their number one pitching

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prospect. There's probably the number one
pitching prospect in in baseball right now.

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Kyle Harrison had him start a couple
of days ago, three to third inning

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scale bahone run. But whatever.
He has a particular delivery. It's a

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very muscular delivery. Like some pictures
look like like a trebuche. They're slinging

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the ball, you know, some
are like doing some tight chi. Yeah,

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he looks like he's muscling every single
pitch. And I was talking him

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to my son, who's the big
baseball head, and I noticed that and

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he said, yeah, it kind
of reminds me of Carlos Rodon. I

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looked up Rodan and yeah, that's
true. He does look like that.

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But uh, Kyle Harrison is six
two two fifteen. Karlo Shordon is six

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one two fifty five and he doesn't
look fat. Yeah. Yeah, he's

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built like a brick shit house.
And how did that happen? I don't

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know. I'm not not casting expersions
here, but some people just you know,

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who's that shot putterer in the movie? That guy was Jack. That

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dude was just fucking cranked. Yeah, and CONTI even said, he's like

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the I didn't give anything to the
shot putters because we were only sold ZMA,

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but they were on stuff. That
shot putter was a fucking dank.

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That's like saying the top weightlifters aren't
on ship. Yeah, in the Olympics,

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you know, they're all have to
be or you're not competing. You

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see Lou That fool retires and loses
like sixty pounds of muscle. Yeah,

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yeah, then he hops back in. You know, he's one hundred pounds.

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He looks like a grandpa. He
was snatching almost four pounds at one

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hundred and sixty nine pounds and squatting
seven seven hundred pounds and then the fucking

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treaded. Yea, it is weird. I mean when I think about big

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baseball players, I think about CC
Spathia. He was like natural you mean

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yeah, he was six ten Yeah, yeah, he's almost seven feet and

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he's just like that's what I think
about. I think he's six, but

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it was lots of giant but he
was like three hundred and fifty pounds.

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Randy Johnson probably barely broke two hundred
pounds. Yeah he was yeah, six

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sixty eight yeah six. He's a
professional NFL photographer now yeah, just for

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the money. Yeah no, he
just literally he's like one of the main

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NFL photographers, like on the sidelines. That's kind of cool. Yeah,

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it is cool. You know,
he's built like doctor disrespect. He looks

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like his dad. Yeah, he
could be his dad. I think it

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probably is. Yeah, it probably
adds up deathless. Was he in town

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in the Bay Area, Arizona San
Francisco game at one point, doctor Randy

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Brandy that's how it could be his
dad. Probably that's how he was born.

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Maybe. Uh. Yeah, the
Giants brought Randy on for one season

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so that he could break a record
for a season. Yeah, and so

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he was like, he's got a
download good relationship with with the Giants,

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even though he's more recognized as a
diamondback, I think, oh for sure.

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Yeah, he's like the face of
that entire franchise to this day.

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Yeah. So this documentary, uh
is pretty chronological, I guess unlike a

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lot of them. It doesn't bounce
back and forth and in time too much.

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It doesn't talk a lot of investigative
saying. It's kind of investigated with

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with Nadolski, who who Jim and
I interviewed a long time ago about the

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UFC and drug testing and Nevinsky,
sorry not Dolski, nak We also doctor

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Yeah Navinsky, who I think also
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that was after this was more like
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and eight. I feel like was
one who's being investigating this was more like

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ninety five to two thousand and five, so probably simultaneous. What I didn't

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know, and we even interviewed the
guy. Uh, I didn't know he

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was i RS technic. I thought
it was FBI. So it's irst with

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a gun. Yeah yeah, counting. Yeah, that was crazy. That

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was the pitch. Yeah, and
so I guess there department just maybe uses

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taxes to find crime, yeah,
right, which makes sense. It's accounting,

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yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's like, oh okay, this

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money looks weird. There's probably something
illegal, but they're the illegal side rather

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than the fraudulent money side, right, Like they almost don't care about the

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money. Yeah. The crime isn't
in the money. The crime is how

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you make them. Yeah, it's
the bait for not paying because it maybe

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he paid his taxes on the eighty
million, but that money's weird. How

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scary is that software though, where
they can just type in your name and

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just find out all your money where
it's all coming from. Yeah, like

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it was like a Google money coming
from. I had no idea that you

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could like put in a business and
find out what it's inflows and outflows were

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just the Internet or it's probably pre
Internet as weird too. We just move

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mom to Vegas and got a house
out and they do obviously tons of credit

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checks and background checks and all that, and I forgot which meeting we're in.

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We're signing some papers and I don't
even know who we're talking too.

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At this point, we talked to
so many damn people, some kind of

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real estate or some kind of title
company. Somebody was talking to us and

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they're like, oh, this is
how your name shows up everywhere. And

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there's a list of eight names that
are my mom and one of them was

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wrong. You know, it's like
Marla or something. My mom's name is

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Maria. Was Marla and my mom
was like, oh yeah, I guess

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my dad like had bad handwriting and
like bought her car and they wrote the

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name wrong, but it like is
attached to her, so you Google,

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not Google whatever program, similar program. They checked my mom's name, and

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they know where your name is everywhere
on the planet for anything important. It's

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the titled company for sure, because
like, I have one of the most

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common names in the fucking world,
literally one of the most common names,

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and I have both times that we
bought a house, I've had to sign

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a particular thing and have it notarized
in front of a notary that that I

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am me and not any of these
other people. Yeah, it's super super

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super Hi my name. Uh yeah, I arrest I was weird. I

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arrest with the gun kind of throw
me off to Yeah. I and and

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maybe he told us that I'm sure
he was twenty sixteen, maybe twenty fifteen.

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Guys interviewed him. Yeah, it
was whenever you're a favorite retired,

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because that's why he was in town. That's right, right, whenever that

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was retired the first time. Yeah, yeah, I don't. Yeah,

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I think he fight. He's he's
done other he's work. He's like fought

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another other, whether they call those
age nine leagues leagues or like grappling or

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something. Yeah. So yeah,
and then I didn't know he was in

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the movie until I turned it on. Well, he was such a central

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part of the investigation, which I
didn't know either. In my head,

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he was the Lance Armstrong guy.
It makes sense he was, Yeah,

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he was. He was kind of
the spirit. But I think we when

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we talked to him, we spent
more time talking about Armstrong things we did

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and bones Jones. Oh yeah,
yeah, yeah, because he was working

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for UFC and Bones just had got
caught, maybe for the first time,

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and it was Yeah, it was
like a gas station Dick Bills four thousand.

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Yeah, and and and his uh, I think he got caught with

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the supplement company he was working with
at the time. Yeah, I think

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that's right to maintain it supplement.
And then and then I think the UFC

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checked that supplement and they found it, so like Jones might have not been

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lying. It's like winstrol or something, yeah, which is crazy. And

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then that's a very common thing that
ties into this in some sense that it

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was very common in the nineties and
early two thousands that supplement companies would do

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that on purpose. So you get
these gains, right, and then you're

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gonna be addicted to the thing,
and then they'll take it out to save

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margins and now you're just addicted to
sugar and caffeine. But the first one

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was real gains. I should be
like, you should go to jail for

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that, right, Yeah, it's
crazy. It's like literally you're drugging people.

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Yeah, you're literally poisoned. Yeah, might as well roof you me.

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Yeah. Well, And that that
was some of them around around Balco,

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was that they they were testing these
things on people. Yeah. Yeah,

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there's like Shuman Subjects without assume Human
Subjects Ethics Committee when he said he's

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to did it on himself and there's
picture of him doing Carls trying to clear

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from and trying whatever from somebody gets
racked. Yeah, he got pretty jack.

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Yeah, he's not his jack.
He's an interesting guy. You kind

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it's it's kind of hard to like
hate him. He obviously has got some

403
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slime about him, but like you
famous really bad, Yeah, but you

404
00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:18.160
kind of like he's kind of enduring
in some senses. Like I kind of

405
00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:22.519
liked him, so so I met
kind of yeah, you just kind of

406
00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:27.240
believed him. Yeah, So I
met him at the Olympia, and probably

407
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:33.039
I want to see fifteen sixteen.
I wonder if I met him and just

408
00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:37.079
forgot fourteen fifteen. Oh no,
it could have been before that. I've

409
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:40.960
been to the Olympia since twenty eleven
or twenty twelve with you, I think

410
00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:42.720
I can't. I can't remember whether
you were there or not. But I

411
00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:47.960
was walking around with Chris Bell then
I probably didn't. And so obviously obviously

412
00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:52.359
Chris dealt with him for Bigger,
strong, or faster and bigger, strong

413
00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:56.319
or faster was shot and like you
know six or seven a little bit and

414
00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:02.720
no wait so it was after that
probably okay, ten, eleven and twelve

415
00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:06.160
something like that. Anyway, So
I have I have a Balco shirt somewhere

416
00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:08.359
that I did not I can't find
it for at the moment, but I

417
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:11.680
have one the Victor County gave me. And we talked to him for ten

418
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:15.680
or fifteen minutes. And the interesting
thing was like, if you go on

419
00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:19.640
his Twitter, that's what what a
conversation with him is like, because he

420
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:25.480
is constantly pointing out people who are
are he thinks are cheating, well because

421
00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:27.559
now lying about it, because now
he turned heel right. Now now he's

422
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:33.640
the guy catching people. So it's
very conspiratorial the conversation with him. I

423
00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:37.920
mean, he's difficult to dislike because
he's charismatic in person. He's he's yeah,

424
00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:41.680
quirky look kind of quirky personality,
but it's kind of enduring. Yeah

425
00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:48.319
yeah. Whereas Nivisky seems like a
cop. He gives a lot of FBI.

426
00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:51.240
There's a lot of a lot of
cop energy. He feels like an

427
00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:53.640
investigator when he's he does it's not
like negative. He loves his job.

428
00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:56.000
Yeah, you feel like, oh, you are this guy, like you're

429
00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:59.240
mate, You're living the life you're
made to live for. And he looks

430
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:00.480
it. Yeah, you know,
I feel like he was going to pull

431
00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:04.039
a light and fucking put it over
my face, check my veins or something.

432
00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:07.720
Yeah. Yeah, he already dug
through my trash. Yeah. And

433
00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:11.839
he didn't seem like a bad guy, not at all. Yeah. Yeah,

434
00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:15.680
yeah, even in the in the
documentary when when he's going through people's

435
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:18.720
trash. She doesn't like a bad
guy because I think he truly believes that

436
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:21.839
he wants clean sports, and so
he's truly working to make sports clean.

437
00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:23.480
He got an in Vendetta because he
didn't make it in college. I know

438
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:29.440
I didn't. I think we talked
about that's the Joe Biden baseball thing that's

439
00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:33.279
in Yeah, Bigger Strugger Faster,
Yes, yeah, Biden's in this for

440
00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:37.480
a quick clip. Which Bush is
in it for a quick clip? Yeah?

441
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:41.160
Yeah. Burner's in it for a
quick clip. The burner of the

442
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:47.759
Rapper. No Burner, Bernie Sanders, yeahs Bernie Sanders. I didn't see

443
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:49.000
that. Yeah, I looked away
for a second. It's like that's Bernie

444
00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:53.480
Sanders, Bernie Sanders talking sports like
that baseball thing was such a big deal

445
00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:56.640
on the media that like George Bush
talked about it in a State of the

446
00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:02.839
Union dress. They used that,
But isn't anything about the about the actual

447
00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:07.000
hearings where the baseball players clips but
they didn't require but they didn't ready to

448
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:10.759
talk about it at all. They
sort of just kind of missed that hole

449
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:15.880
shot. You always see McGuire standing
up and then the question I wanted to

450
00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:18.839
ask na Whisky when we when we
were with him, and I didn't have

451
00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:25.000
the balls to ask. It's like
who leaked the grand jury testimony about Bonds

452
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:29.880
to the chronicle? And that's that's
what Game of Shadows is based on.

453
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:33.039
Yeah, I wanted to. And
what he seems to be saying in in

454
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:37.880
the documentary is that Conti did it. Yeah, and I don't understand,

455
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:44.640
like what is that benefit Conti?
And Conti basically said that he believes Bonds

456
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:48.720
is on stuff and he just won't
admit it because he gave Bonds trainer drugs

457
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:52.960
but never gave Bonds drugs, right, which makes you think that was he

458
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:56.119
injecting everyone else. I think that
he was probably just giving them like,

459
00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:59.240
hey, this is what you need
to be taken, like you know what

460
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:02.599
I mean where you and probably get
it. But even with Marian or whatever,

461
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:04.400
it sounds like he gave her coach
stuff, never gave her stuff,

462
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:08.720
but he more admitted that, right, and he won't admit to because she

463
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:11.720
admitted it. Oh, maybe that's
why he just doesn't want to be He

464
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:15.960
doesn't want to be the ultimate whistleblower, but he doesn't mind kind of whistle

465
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:19.440
blowing or conspiracy theory. You know, route is that Bond wrote him a

466
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:23.319
fat check. Yeah, but I
don't know. He basically incriminated him this

467
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.319
time, so buzz, it's not
him. It's like that who else gave

468
00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:30.480
him that paper that had like Bonds'
initials? Yeah, but he tried to

469
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:33.480
even like, oh that could be
Bib. I don't know who BIB is.

470
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:36.519
Yeah, like, well this is
your you wrote this. It was

471
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:41.720
like, no, that's that's Bonds. That's off. Yeah. Yeah,

472
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:51.240
it's like you're you're bullshitting right now. And like in the in the course

473
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:55.640
of this documentary, it's really whose
word do you believe? Do you believe

474
00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:59.799
Nevitsky or do you believe CONTI but
then like, what's County really getting off

475
00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:04.880
on because he basically got caught for
everything else, right, Uh, he

476
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:08.799
only only two charges, really only
only yeah, only Uh, he only

477
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:13.279
got convicted of two things, right, But that's probably that's probably all whistleblown

478
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:15.839
behind it. Even though it says
made a deal, they made a deal.

479
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:17.240
They said he didn't incriminate anyone else
to get that deal, but he

480
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:20.920
for sured it. He may have. I don't write, like, no

481
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:25.920
way you go from fifty charges to
forty sounded like he had two he had

482
00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:29.920
amazing lawyers. His lawyers. He's
driving on Bentley. I mean, he's

483
00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:32.799
got the money. I was,
yeah, I was kind of surprised that

484
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:37.759
one of his lawyers wasn't Rick Collins, you know, says yeah, I

485
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:40.680
was surprised that he was not in
that he might have been just not on

486
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:44.640
camera. Sounds like those lawyers,
Yeah, they were on it. Yeah

487
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:46.920
yeah, I was like, oh, that's impressive. Yeah, lawyer,

488
00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:50.960
they lawyered hard. Well. I
mean they were right, Yeah, that

489
00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:55.839
was the thing. They were right
that the law doesn't doesn't prohibit what what

490
00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:59.240
they were saying, Yeah, like
drug advice in a way. Yeah,

491
00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:02.480
he got in troll for what money
laundering? And one other thing is what

492
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:06.680
he got actually charged he was laundering
money. They okay, well clearly you

493
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:07.839
were saying that you were getting this
in and you claim, okay, we

494
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:12.680
got caught you for the money laundering. So like what was the other charge?

495
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:15.160
I don't remember I forgot which,
but it was another like something like

496
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:17.759
unattached, almost like lying to a
grand jury or some ship. Yeah,

497
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:21.359
probably about the money laundering. Yeah, it was probably lying. It wasn't

498
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:24.559
drug dealing, Yeah, yeah for
sure. How about that montage of him

499
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:30.440
just washing his Bent league or like, yeah, yeah, there's a lot

500
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:34.880
of it. I mean nice bent
leg Yeah, that's very nice sales and

501
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:38.400
I mean the CMA sales party,
right, thirty percent of the drug money

502
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:42.799
made. Probably he's gonna be either
triple rich or he's gonna be rich either

503
00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:46.160
way. I'm sure he was funneling
the money from the athletes into the ZMA

504
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:50.680
business. And it was like how
he was He's actually genius, right because

505
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:53.359
he has them wearing the ZMA beanies, he has them wearing the zmats,

506
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:58.880
So he's he's running a legitimate business
in a smart good way. Didn't that

507
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:02.240
having to like a big body Boilder
was doing that ZMA No, like basically

508
00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:07.160
wondering their steroids through all of this
stuff. Everyone ever, what's the big

509
00:34:07.159 --> 00:34:12.400
super Jack Black dude. Oh,
that narrows it down, you know,

510
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:15.000
like the big one, the big
the most popular one for a long time.

511
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:20.400
Rannie No no, no, like
like off like off t no off

512
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:23.519
the like main stage. Oh,
he's more like a more like influencer.

513
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:29.480
Yeah. Not Kellie Muscle No,
but like in that same there's that the

514
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:31.559
other guy. Yeah, I mean
there's tons. There's also still only a

515
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:38.519
thousand Mike Mike Uh, not Michael
Hearn obviously, but like Mike Rashid Rashid

516
00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:43.000
Mike. So yeah, we got
there, Mike. Yeah, we didn't

517
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:46.440
get there. Mike's Uh it was
also rated. It was also t CT

518
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:51.840
Fletchers. Yeah, they got their
gym in Miami got rated yea, within

519
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:53.639
the last eight years. Yeah,
something like that. I heard that something

520
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:55.840
happened with that. I mean,
that's just supplements. That's just the most

521
00:34:55.880 --> 00:35:00.679
common supplement thing, and maybe CONTI
was just a first to do it.

522
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:02.639
But every you know, there's you
know, if we're going to turn into

523
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:07.559
steroid TMZ here, uh, black, don't don't quote me because black there's

524
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:12.719
like black Stone, and then there's
a black something else. Uh supplement company.

525
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:16.000
They got raided and caught and they
did jail time. Things still doing

526
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:22.519
it. Yeah, so there's there's
definitely been historically every supplement company, but

527
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:27.199
in you know, it's been proven
and gone to court that multiple supplement companies

528
00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:32.119
have either laundered money through it steroids, throwing steroids into their product and marketing

529
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:37.039
like we talked about basically drug roofying
us. That that's been a common thing

530
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:40.559
over the last thirty years. It's
happened time and time again. Yeah,

531
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:45.079
it seems to be the play for
for an unknown company coming up here.

532
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:49.360
I get it, you know,
like I want the quick fix, right,

533
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:51.280
And it's been a thing on the
local level, right. You go

534
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:53.519
to your local gym, not as
much in these commercial gyms because you know

535
00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:55.519
there's a bunch of pansies, but
you go to like a mom and pop

536
00:35:55.599 --> 00:36:00.440
gym and the trainer is the drug
dealer buy sessions. You'd with him for

537
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:02.280
three months. He's like, oh, you really want to make some gains.

538
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:06.519
Here's this and that guy's doublings cash
flow and maybe he's falling up to

539
00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:09.559
the gym owner. Yeah. There
was a post on social media this week

540
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:15.840
as a matter of fact, saying
that the number of strongman coaches, yeah

541
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:22.000
that are like, if you're a
strongman coach sells you drugs, they're drug

542
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:23.639
deal a drug dealer or not a
coach. Same with bodybuilding coaches, but

543
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:28.079
bodybuilding coaches the same thing, powerlifting
or the same thing. They're either given

544
00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:30.920
your pay an extra, get a
protocol like this county thing and maybe that's

545
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:37.320
if they're smart because it's not illegal, or they're selling you training for five

546
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:40.599
hundred, drug protocol for three hundred
and the drugs themselves. It's just a

547
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:45.559
business up cell. We just tend
to do it with socks and caps and

548
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:49.599
they do it with fucking trend and
vials. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

549
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:54.519
that's true. I don't know it
like we've been around, yeah, and

550
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:59.719
we've known like a lot of people, all of them. Yeah, so

551
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:01.679
many. Yeah, I've seen this
many a time in our space. What's

552
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:05.320
funny of you about the content thing? Again, I knew the big picture,

553
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:07.760
but I knew it attached to baseball. You read the book and you

554
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:09.079
know them, so you guys knew
a little bit more than me. The

555
00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:16.280
I guess like the intertwining of the
bodybuilding world, right, they showed pictures

556
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:19.880
of like Flex Lewis and people or
Flex Wheeler and people. I don't know

557
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:22.440
if that was the direct connection or
if they just chose a generic bodybuilder to

558
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:25.960
show, but like the fact that
the Mark McGuire thing, you know,

559
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:30.519
was one step away from our world. It blows my mind a little bit.

560
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:31.239
And obviously I was a kid when
that was going on, right,

561
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:35.920
we were probably in like sixth grade
or some shit. Yeah, so it

562
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:37.360
wasn't in my mind then, but
now, yeah, you know, full

563
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:43.000
everything's full circle. It's very intertwined, the strength and conditioning world with the

564
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:47.400
steroid world, with the Olympics even
you know, I remember when the news

565
00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:52.400
broke on the uh mary and stuff. Yeah, yeah, I was like

566
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:57.440
blown, I was shocked. I
was pretty I was pretty naive at the

567
00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:00.079
time for sure. In my head
at that age, like oh women in

568
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:01.800
sports, two steroids. I still
wasn't. Like I feel like I still

569
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:05.159
am. Yeah, that was when
I was very naive and young. Because

570
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:08.199
I've played freaks, you know,
and like I've played guys that got full

571
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:12.679
D one rides in seventh and eighth
grade, and I'm almost guaranteed they're not

572
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.480
on shit. And I can see
the athleticism and I was pretty athletic as

573
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:19.519
a kid, you know, like
any we go to any park and I'm

574
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:22.280
the guy, right, So now
I'm playing these guys that are one of

575
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:25.599
one of one of one on one
percent, and they're that much better than

576
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:31.519
me. It just makes me question. Not that I don't think everyone's on

577
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:35.960
shit, but I know there's freaks
above, you know, I know there's

578
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:39.239
levels to this ship, and so
it just it's so confusing and so impossible

579
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:43.639
to know. Because like last episode, you guys want to check out.

580
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:49.000
Last week we talked about Johnny manziel
And and people's mental instability or egos get

581
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:52.880
involved when you get to competition and
the certain type of person that rises to

582
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:55.719
the top will do anything to get
there. Tiny or whatever talked about a

583
00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:59.000
lot in this. I loved his
story. He was my favorite story.

584
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:00.039
He was good and it was good
it. You know, he's honest,

585
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:04.760
he he grew from it. Yeah, you know, he's like normal in

586
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:07.800
a sense. But that's the true
I think that's the true story for most

587
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:10.559
of the users, right, it's
his story. I think so too,

588
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:14.599
except for the ones that go to
the top that their egos take over.

589
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:17.280
Yeah, right, Like, why
isn't Barry doing the sit down interview?

590
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:22.360
Good question. I just saw also
just known to be in a prick in

591
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:24.639
general without this, and he's way
more famous than this tiny guy. I

592
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:28.639
get all that, but he like, I've never heard of the tiny guy

593
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:30.440
had do you guys? I had
never heard of him? Yeah, I

594
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:31.599
really, He's like the was the
fastest man in the world. Yeah,

595
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:36.039
I was saying I never knew about
it. I didn't like I been benh

596
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:39.119
yeah, yeah, and asked the
one and and there was nothing about him

597
00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:43.039
in here, and obviously he was
pop for steroids, yeah, Mary and

598
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:45.559
Jones and Ben Johnsons who everyone's point
the fingers out and track and field yeah,

599
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:49.199
and Lanson and biking. Right.
That's what makes me think, like,

600
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:51.440
is everyone on it? Then?
Why are like just these ones the

601
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:54.000
one we're pointing the fingers out?
Divers? Yeah, what's my swimmers?

602
00:39:54.039 --> 00:40:01.840
Yeah? What's he's on steroids?
Definitely on bong rips. He's the Johnny

603
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:07.519
Manziela the fucking ocean well as wild, yeah, a little bit less wild,

604
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:10.079
but not I feel he's like twenty
five. How do you win fifty

605
00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:14.199
gold medals and not beyond steroid?
Isn't he twenty five doing bong rips at

606
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:19.000
a sorority? Yeah, that's weird
at least Johnny was in college. Yeah,

607
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:22.440
true enough, true enough. I
guess it comes down to this.

608
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:27.920
It's like, how is it ever
gonna not be tainted? Right? Like?

609
00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:30.400
How is everything going to be squeaky
clean? And I don't think that

610
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:36.599
there's any any world in which it's
all gonna be squeaky clean regardless of what

611
00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:38.400
the rules are, until we get
some morals in the scot damn society.

612
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:44.880
I think Dean's right, like the
the underground users are the one that pushed

613
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:47.760
the test to get better, but
they're always first. The cheating is always

614
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:52.159
first before the rules catch up.
So yeah, I don't know if it

615
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:53.519
could be. And even you know, people say like cat and mouse game,

616
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:58.559
right, the supple the drugs come
out before the test, right,

617
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:00.920
and then the reverse engineer than drugs
to get the new test. Without the

618
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:05.079
new drugs, there is no new
tests, So like that, it's constantly

619
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:07.679
changing and never going to go away. Part of me trillion dollars billion dollars

620
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:12.639
industry. Yeah, try trillion if
you and I want to, you know,

621
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:15.760
believe in athleticism and people wanting to
get better and do it the right

622
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:17.280
way and morals of humans and I
want to trust humans. But like,

623
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:21.920
then you look at like the IPF, right, that's the drug tested powerlifting.

624
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:29.119
There's no fame, there's no money, and there's still people cheating getting

625
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:34.320
caught with steroids every single year at
IPF Worlds. Which so now you put

626
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:40.239
money, fame, sex, lifestyle, you put it all in above of

627
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:45.400
a real sport, right where somewhere
you win on a real sport. Of

628
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:47.599
course you're gonna do it. If
we got if morals are so bad at

629
00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:52.360
when it doesn't matter, people are
gonna cheat. Now of course you're gonna

630
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:54.599
fucking cheat. So then that makes
me lean more towards you, like,

631
00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:58.840
all right, eighty percent of these
motherfuckers are on. Yeah, that's probably

632
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:00.840
a high number, but also like
wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, I mean

633
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:05.800
it's ten percent or whatever less at
the IPF Worlds. But that sport doesn't

634
00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:07.760
matter. You're not getting likes,
you're not getting paid, you're not getting

635
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:13.320
what's the driver, just being just
being competitive. So now these people are

636
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:16.199
arguably just as competitive or more to
go to the NFL MLB and he got

637
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:20.519
money, fame riches. Of course, then it gets to be just about

638
00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:24.039
winning, which takes us back to
football. Yeah, what's driving you?

639
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:27.039
And I get that, But then
I you know, I have no pro

640
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:30.159
athletes too. We know. I
know u f C studs, I know

641
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:34.320
NBA players, I know NFL guys
in and obviously you can't always tell by

642
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:37.360
a person hanging out with him,
because if it's that deep of a secret,

643
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:38.840
they're keeping it themselves. But I
can just tell by looking at him

644
00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:42.119
and being in the sport they're not
on. You know, my buddy Luell,

645
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:45.519
NBA all start, and there's no
way Luell took anything. There's just

646
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:47.760
no way he didn't do it.
I know him, and he's not He's

647
00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:52.519
not under investigation for no no.
But I'm just saying he got to the

648
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:55.400
top of the best sport. He
was the second best player. Some people

649
00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:58.679
say if Derrick Rose never got injured, he'd be the best point guard of

650
00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:00.599
all time, and he's his number
two on that team. Yeah, and

651
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:04.039
I know we didn't for morals.
I know by looks I know, but

652
00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:06.920
you know, there's there's a lot
more skill involved I think in back of

653
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:10.199
basketball for sure, or you can
you can get away with not having even

654
00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:19.440
with baseball, like there's actually more
skill involved, like defensively, Yeah,

655
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:22.159
home runs are a very small portion
of the game for sure, right,

656
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:24.039
Like that's not in like the power
now. Also like the stadiums now to

657
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:29.559
comp to to counteract the steroids,
like maybe being a little down as they

658
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:31.840
just moved all the all the outfields
in Yeah, you got three hundred yards

659
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:36.320
to change the ball or some shit. Fucking Yankee Stadium is like three hundred

660
00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:40.000
yards to right field that my high
school fucking uh field was longer than that.

661
00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:43.840
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And we're fucking sixteen years old,

662
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:45.719
and they changed the feet night yards, you know what I mean?

663
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:49.360
Yeah, thinking about ball fields,
Yeah, yeah, they changed the fucking

664
00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:51.880
ball a little bit to give a
picture advantage. Then they changed the ball

665
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:53.519
a little bit to get a hitter
advantage. Apparently last year there were two

666
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:58.239
different versions of the ball out there. There's the ball that they were using

667
00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:00.880
for how long was so juiced up
it was just flying out. Yeah,

668
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:01.880
you know, it's just like That
gets a little weird too, because but

669
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:07.840
that goes to your original statement.
Was it tech? Was it training that

670
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:09.639
advanced to the sport? I've mentioned
a bunch of times over the years with

671
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:14.480
Jim. There's a really good ted
talk about that where they don't think they

672
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:17.639
think technology pushed all records. This
one guy, I don't even know what

673
00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:21.519
his background was, but he talked
about track and field, and he talked

674
00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:23.840
about all the marathons. Yeah,
it talks about all these things. Yeah.

675
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:27.639
I mean I have I literally have
I don't even know who's they were.

676
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:29.920
I got them from my dad,
but I have golf clubs from like

677
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:34.440
nineteen fifteen, and it looks like
for Simmons wood driver, bro, it

678
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:39.760
looks it looks like a fucking chopstick. Got legend of vance if I Yeah,

679
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:43.719
the bag is like that too.
It's already if I if I swung

680
00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:46.360
that club with my strength, even
I'm breaking it. Yeah, yeah,

681
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:50.480
you know, so obviously there's something. And they talk about the sprint times

682
00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:52.960
coming down to cleats in the clay. Oh yeah, that's why some cleats

683
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:55.400
are like illegal, right, Some
cleets are hot, they're too fast.

684
00:44:55.519 --> 00:45:00.119
Yeah, and it's the swimsuit swim
was a big the jet, the jet

685
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:04.440
whatever we got, like yeah that
two thousand and eight. It was legal,

686
00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:06.960
and then all of a sudden it
disappeared because people were moving too fast.

687
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:08.599
But then, yeah, where's that
line? Why does that matter?

688
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:12.760
Yeah, don't you want everybody has
the same opportunity to have that piece of

689
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:15.559
equipment. I think maybe that's it, right, Like maybe lesser countries can't

690
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:17.519
afford it. I don't know.
That might have been a play or maybe

691
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:20.599
you should supply it. Like they
heard about the World Cup, right,

692
00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:23.480
do you hear about that? I
think it was no. Fuck what country

693
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:28.760
was it? I forgot Somalia?
Somalia? I think it was Smali or

694
00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:34.000
Jamaica. Fuck dude. One of
the women's World Cup teams had to get

695
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:37.719
a go fund me to go to
the and they beat Brazil. Yeah,

696
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:40.960
I think it was Jamaica. I
remember that. Yeah, something like that.

697
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:43.719
It was within the last weeks,
you know what I mean. So

698
00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:46.239
it's like not always even on the
international No, it definitely isn't the same.

699
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:50.599
The funding is. There's a lot
of disparity. Remember Sammy Soils was

700
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:53.360
also using a corked bat for how
long. That's a really good question.

701
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:58.039
Yeah, and I found he was
using a qurk bat and now after he

702
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:00.760
retired, he like jumped into Vada
Bleach and he's like Michael Jackson. Now

703
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:05.360
he had a disease. I don't
think that that was all of it.

704
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:07.760
Michael Jackson had a disease. I
don't think that that's what I said.

705
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:10.519
Looks like not a human. He
looks like a skin walker. Yeah,

706
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:15.119
he definitely looks different than he did. Yeah, I don't know what happened

707
00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:19.199
there. I mean he's like like
like it's almost like a gray white though

708
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:22.840
he's like not even like he doesn't
there's no red and blood pressure. He

709
00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:25.639
doesn't look like a human anymore.
Died for sure. Yeah, and I

710
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:30.639
understand that. Yeah, if you
have that one pigment whatever, or he

711
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:31.679
just did it because he wanted to. Well, I think you might get

712
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:34.880
that disease, maybe gets self conscious
and if you have the money, then

713
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:37.280
you go all in, Oh yeah
you can't. You can't do Joe Rogan

714
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:40.760
and just get sleeves when you get
vida lego. Does he have it?

715
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:45.880
Yeah, that's why that's why he
has so much. Yeah. Interesting,

716
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:53.840
that is what was I gonna say. I feel like there's there's there was

717
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:58.119
a lot missing from this this thing, and it was still good because there's

718
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:00.280
Yeah, there's so much the story
and it's still on going, right,

719
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:01.480
we still have sports and we still
have steroids. Yeah, and that's kind

720
00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:04.480
of what makes it interesting to me, right, like, all right,

721
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:07.199
that was twenty years ago. Now
what still going on? For sure?

722
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:12.760
And if if Balco had overlapped the
rise of CrossFit, that would have been

723
00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:15.440
really who knows. Yeah, CrossFit's
got crazy shit going on too. Yeah,

724
00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:16.719
it's hard, it's hard to Yeah, I don't even know where to

725
00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:22.039
start with that. It's just clearly
there's a problem. It's not being addressed.

726
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:27.280
It's just like they just play ignorance
there. Yeah, it's like this,

727
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:30.320
this is just not what women look
like. The dudes, dudes,

728
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:34.840
we've been around for so long,
you guys more than me. Yeah,

729
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:38.760
we know what it's capable of.
Like even genetics, it doesn't matter if

730
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:43.000
you start doing cross it when you're
ten and you're a girl, your shoulders

731
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:45.639
just don't genetically grow, like,
well, how do you look? How

732
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:49.119
do the guys look like that?
And you look better and crazier than NFL

733
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:52.519
running backs who still also might be
on shit, you might be on better

734
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:55.960
ship. Yeah. Like what I
remember at some point thinking like, have

735
00:47:57.280 --> 00:48:01.960
we like cracked the code somewhere along
the line so that people who are doing

736
00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:08.519
a tremendous amount of metabolic work,
you know, cardio whatever, whatever,

737
00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:13.840
but they're retaining muscle at a level
that we haven't really seen before. Did

738
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:16.079
we crack some kind of code or
is it just steroids? Yeah, they're

739
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:20.199
doing two they're weigh two hundred pounds, they're my size, my height,

740
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:24.760
with an engine and an endurance training
that is more like lance armstrong. Yeah,

741
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:27.960
those don't they can't go hand in
hand, and the strength is just

742
00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:30.119
through the roof strength jerking. Some
of these cross you guys literally are clean

743
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:35.360
and jerking almost four hundred pounds.
Yeah, and then they're also running five

744
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:38.159
minute miles right, and they're training
they're training endurance for three hours a day

745
00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:42.159
every day. Yes, Like where
you how are you recovering? Yeah?

746
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:45.480
How is it possible? Like?
Yeah, you're a specimen, you know,

747
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:47.639
Like the ship you're doing is impressive
and not everyone could do that,

748
00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:52.239
but you're you're just not doing that
normally. Also, I don't think so

749
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:54.119
you're not holding that like I think
Jim's has the biggest indicator. You're not

750
00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:59.280
holding that amount of muscle while training
like that, correct, you look like

751
00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:02.880
one hundred ninety bound natural bodybuilder.
Yeah, but then you're moving more workload

752
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:06.679
than Lance Army. And also where
are you where are you doing all this

753
00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:12.119
successory hypertrophe accessory to get this much
size growth. That's like you're not gaining

754
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:15.639
that Like, you're not gaining that
size growth doing fucking butterfly pull ups,

755
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:20.000
band and hang snatches. It's not
burth on how the body works. It's

756
00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:24.639
not burpies. You need heavy weights
and hypertrophy for three to four hours a

757
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:29.239
day alone, like CrossFit just doesn't
build bodies like that, you know.

758
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:34.199
And if you think about it too, someone who's a natural bodybuilder who you

759
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:37.039
know, at the point that they're
stage ready, they incredibly jacked or whatever,

760
00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:42.800
they have depleted themselves so much that
they do not have anything. They

761
00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:45.719
could not perform those I just had. I just had dinner with the bar.

762
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:47.039
I just had dinner with the bart
last night or night before, and

763
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:51.440
he competed in natural bodybuilding five days
before that, and my mom our whole

764
00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:52.840
families were there and mom knows Bart
pretty good. We got in the car.

765
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:54.880
She's like, it's Bart. Okay. He just didn't like talk at

766
00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:59.960
all. I was like, Mom, he just he's died. He's crashed.

767
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:02.840
Said something good on Instagram. He
said, uh uh like yeah,

768
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:07.480
like force or like chosen starvation and
killing yourself. That's what he called natural

769
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:09.760
bodybuilding. That's true. Yeah,
you're literally just not giving yourself what you

770
00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:14.239
need to live. Yeah, and
cross and a lot of these top crossers

771
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:16.480
walk around like that all day.
They're they're two or three percent. It

772
00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:20.360
look better better. Bark looked great
and I'm very proud of Like I'm not

773
00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:24.000
even I'm not, I'm really he
did something really cool there. Yeah,

774
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:27.199
but he's not on steroids, and
he didn't look as good as the rest

775
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:30.239
of them. Yeah, he won
a show too one two categories. Yeah,

776
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:35.360
he just like he just he didn't
look like the mid level. The

777
00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:37.280
veins don't look the same. Yeah, nothing looks the same. And yeah,

778
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:40.559
Bart maybe doesn't have the optimal genetics
at the top of cross fit because

779
00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:45.360
CrossFit is popular enough now that the
talent pool is big, you're getting some

780
00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:47.000
freaks. You're getting freaks now.
And same with power lifting, right,

781
00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:50.800
that's what you have the rust wolves. Like we have freaks because the sports

782
00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:53.559
popular enough. But if they were
that freaky, I mean Rich Phoning played

783
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:59.119
D three football, yeah, baseball, oh yeah whatever whatever D three Yeah

784
00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:01.559
right, if he's that, you're
not there, Yeah, you're somewhere else.

785
00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:05.719
Yeah, it's just yeah, there's
just I don't even know, it

786
00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:07.000
doesn't really matter. But there's this
guy that came into the games like this

787
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:10.599
year, out of nowhere from another
sport, maybe to train across like two

788
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:15.920
years, but like this like dude
looks like fucking he's ready to shoot the

789
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:20.719
next Uh, it's like six huge
guy weigh it's probably two hundred and thirty

790
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:23.119
pounds solid muscle. Yeah, it's
like okay, yeah, like why are

791
00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:25.960
we like, how is this guy
even in this sport at his size?

792
00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:29.760
Yeah? Yeah, how do you
run ten miles and then bike ride and

793
00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:32.039
then and then like we're like,
he just comes waltzing in out of nowhere

794
00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:36.000
into the cross of games. Like
what I do think it's dark and I

795
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:42.639
think it's you. We look like
pussy haters for talking this way. Can't

796
00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:45.800
stand it. They can't stand these
conversations, no, because they know it's

797
00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:46.599
true. They know what's going on, and same with the sports. A

798
00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:49.599
lot of them don't though. I
think they're in denial and they think that

799
00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:52.360
it's like achievable, right well,
and and I think if you go so

800
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:55.280
deep yourself, you get this cognitive
dissonance that you're gonna make it seem more

801
00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:59.760
normal, like Lance Armstrong, Well, if if I'm not doing it,

802
00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:01.960
then next twenty r right, So
you can self justify through this whole thing

803
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:05.639
and stay with the cross fitters that
it becomes normal like yeah, man,

804
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:07.119
yeah I trained three hours a day. Yeah I take a little HDH because

805
00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:09.440
everyone else does, right, So
then it becomes normal to use. So

806
00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:15.119
then you get you know, all
like rightfully so defensive when people are coming

807
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:16.599
for you that you're cheating. But
by the rule book, you're cheating.

808
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:21.559
I'm not saying it's right or wrong
morally right. Morals and laws don't always

809
00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:23.519
go hand in hand. But in
the sport across fit and the sport in

810
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:28.960
natural bodybuilding and the IPF powerlifting and
USAW, you're cheating. Like that's just

811
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:30.360
black and white, there's no there's
no argument. Then you start looking at

812
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:36.159
the masters cross fitters and they're just
like okay, Yeah, like how could

813
00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:42.000
they not right SOT five? Yeah, and you look like Arnold and his

814
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:44.760
prime right yeah, how are you
not back in parison? How do you

815
00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:46.119
not have an NFL background? Yeah? If you're that much of a friend

816
00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:51.360
and you never even did any sports
in high school? Yeah yeah. And

817
00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:54.079
it gets ti your shoes and to
go back to for just a second that

818
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:59.559
people who are not doing it,
who believe that it's all being done naturally,

819
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:02.440
and when you question it, it's
like you question the Bible. Yeah,

820
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:06.679
it's like you question question the philosophy
of CrossFit and how it can change

821
00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:08.079
a lot of people's lives and it
can make a lot of people very good

822
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:12.159
looking and fit. Yes, yeah, but you are not going to look

823
00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:15.039
stage. You're not going to be
two hundred and ten pounds as a dude.

824
00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:19.079
Yeah yeah, you know two hundred
pounds is sort of the Deman line.

825
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:20.719
Yeah, hard, it's gonna be
rare. I mean, look at

826
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:22.719
Russ Wool and I have one hundred
percent believe Russ is natural. But Russ

827
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:28.159
is like five seven, one hundred
and ninety pounds and he does no not

828
00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:30.639
no conditioning. You know, he'll
move around, but he's not doing a

829
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:34.440
thousand burpees and running ten miles because
he can't hold that body. Yeah.

830
00:53:34.519 --> 00:53:37.800
Yeah, and obviously he's the elite
of the elite and he specialized for his

831
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:40.320
sport. But like you just can't
keep them out of muscle on you man.

832
00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:46.559
These yeah, these guys are mostly
under five ten, actually probably seventy

833
00:53:46.599 --> 00:53:52.960
five underd five ten during the two
hundred pound range. Yeah, and they're

834
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:57.920
running five minute miles in there.
Yeah, snatching you know, almost three

835
00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:01.679
hundred pounds an after doing twelve other
workouts in a three day period. And

836
00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:07.760
there is money and fame now in
CrossFit, kad or whatever the hell it's

837
00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:10.679
it's and then again we get to
go to the MLB in the NFL for

838
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:15.480
about some of these tear sponsorships too. Like I know a weightlifter that's making

839
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:17.800
six figure tear sponsorship for wearing the
shoes on the platform and he's not even

840
00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:22.480
a marketable person and doesn't really even
content, doesn't really yeah, not it

841
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:27.159
makes some content, but like it's
not like he's not like a rich throning

842
00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:30.000
or he's just like, but this
kid's getting a hundred k, right,

843
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:32.320
So yeah, I mean money,
and it's easy to justify again, like

844
00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:35.320
morals and laws don't go hand in
hand, Like, all right, you

845
00:54:35.360 --> 00:54:37.159
need to provide for your wife and
kids. Yeah, man, I might

846
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:39.519
take a little test too, Like
if I'm that down on my luck,

847
00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:42.960
you know what I mean, Like
I understand how you get from A to

848
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:45.559
B, but it's just weird that
we're just going to ignore it. We're

849
00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:49.400
not going to talk about B.
That's what's the dark side, right,

850
00:54:49.519 --> 00:54:52.000
Yeah, it's not that you got
there. We understand it and I empathize.

851
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:54.760
Right, if you grew up maybe
poor, maybe you got a family,

852
00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:57.760
you got a feed and your wife
can't work or whatever. There's a

853
00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:00.840
lot of situations that it makes sense
to take a little test. It is

854
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:04.800
innocent enough to get to where you
want to go, but you're cheating and

855
00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:07.280
you're lying, and there is a
lot of darkness and all these sports,

856
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:10.400
well, it's funny. The biggest, like I think the most commonly used,

857
00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:14.760
like what the Rooky Gerard got pop
far is the Austrian, like the

858
00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:17.760
one that literally is there to retain
muscle right, because these guys can't keep

859
00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:23.000
on muscle right, And that's like
the main that main supplement is four muscle

860
00:55:23.119 --> 00:55:28.800
growth specifically or like yeah, post
post post cycle therapy stuff, Yeah,

861
00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:31.599
which means you know what you're doing
is wrong because you're trying to cycle off

862
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:36.800
to keep your muscle because you know
you're about to be tested. Yeah,

863
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:40.840
which is most common in all sports
too. Also, it's where that he

864
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:46.199
got the year he came back,
yea top three? How do they let

865
00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:50.960
him back after one year? It's
only a one year band? I think

866
00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:52.079
I don't know. Maybe you talked
about with you. I definitely talked about

867
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:57.960
private where like look, man,
and I've had goes with CrossFit who they

868
00:55:57.960 --> 00:56:00.519
haven't loved things I've said in the
past, But like, how do you

869
00:56:00.199 --> 00:56:02.840
how do you how do you claim
to be all drug free? And you

870
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:07.000
claim all this water ruling which they
don't. They go by water rules,

871
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:13.000
but they don't have water testing independents. Shady thing they possible? And I

872
00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:15.960
called we met I think you were
with me. It was a quick interaction.

873
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:19.360
We met the testers in an airport. Once they said what's up to

874
00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:21.559
us? And we called them out
like that, like, oh, do

875
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:23.400
you work for water? Like no, oh, okay, you know they

876
00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:28.480
do water style testing. But then
so you want to beat this big clean

877
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:30.920
sport and then you catch a guy
and then you let them back nine months

878
00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:37.119
later, where studies show multiple studies
show one test alone works better than no

879
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:44.360
test in working for building muscle two. The gains you get from building muscle

880
00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:50.119
and strength with any performance enhancing drug
can manipulate and benefit you for a lifetime,

881
00:56:51.320 --> 00:56:54.559
not just nine months. And that's
why even natural body building, although

882
00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:59.519
it's obviously much less spectacular money wise
and fame wise, they have like they

883
00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:01.599
say, like, can't be on
anything for five years before you come into

884
00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:07.480
natural bodybuilding. That's like the ruling. And they they use light detectors.

885
00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:12.360
Yeah, all light detecting. Yeah, light detectures are not reliable. But

886
00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:14.960
what part even admitted He's like,
I think I'm a psychopath. I think

887
00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:19.360
I could crush that. Yeah.
Yeah, if you can just off,

888
00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:22.599
Yeah, you can apartmentalize anything,
then you don't have to a lot of

889
00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:25.760
people have mastered that right, and
and the same with this movie. They're

890
00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:30.719
mastering the daily, weekly half life
of drugs, and so you can have

891
00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:34.199
build a calendar and probably could buy
stuff that way too. I think we

892
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:36.760
kind of what you've mentioned on before. It's like they have so much shit

893
00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:38.559
now where like literally you can be
out of your system in four days.

894
00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:44.599
Yeah, yeah, pretty pretty damn
quick. So just try to sort of

895
00:57:44.599 --> 00:57:50.760
bring this one around like if you
were if your life dependent on it,

896
00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:54.400
I'm cheating. And no, I
think that's clear. I think that I

897
00:57:54.400 --> 00:58:00.280
think that's everybody, almost everybody.
But if you had to believe something that

898
00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:04.639
Victor Conti said versus something that Jeff
Nevisky said, like your life depends on

899
00:58:04.719 --> 00:58:08.679
the outcome of this, Like who
do you believe? Probably Levinsky, right,

900
00:58:08.679 --> 00:58:14.639
because like, although he seems very
morally driven, he doesn't really have

901
00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:17.760
like motives like that, right,
And Conti clearly has motives to save his

902
00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:22.079
ass. Yeah, money wise,
jail time and like the only corenty thing

903
00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:24.880
I think it was right before he
started cleaning his Bentley, He's like,

904
00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:28.719
uh, and I'm like, dude, I could feel your voice lying.

905
00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:30.599
He said, Uh, I did
my time. I did my four months.

906
00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:35.400
Like, bitch, you don't feel
justified that you you know what I

907
00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:37.320
mean. He tried to take the
ground that I messed up. He tried

908
00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:40.719
to admit it and that he did
his time for what he did. Now,

909
00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:45.559
yeah, here's the thing. Four
months in a federal prison which is

910
00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:50.440
basically a like boys club. Yeah
that that picture of his and his cellmate

911
00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:53.360
was funny though that was daughter was
funny. The dude did look looks like

912
00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:58.119
he was there for like tax evasion. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

913
00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:01.519
think that if you did a crime, he got convicted, you went to

914
00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:08.800
jail, you did your time,
you released whatever on that crime. Okay,

915
00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:13.360
so maybe we'll just right, we'll
just that's just we'll just we'll clear

916
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:16.400
the slate on that. But like
you know that he did other cars,

917
00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:20.719
it felt like he knew the other
thirty seven were still bad. Yeah.

918
00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:23.239
The only person that felt like and
these aren't actors, right, so these

919
00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:27.880
interviews, although they might be fed
some lines, these aren't actors, so

920
00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:30.360
you can kind of get a feel
for the humans. Tiny is the only

921
00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:32.920
one that felt that he learned through
this process. Yeah, yeah, you

922
00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:36.760
know, he's the only one that
like him training his son, that all

923
00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:39.760
seemed real, like, yes,
I no ruin your life. Yeah,

924
00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:44.639
you know, he had sleepless nights
and then he still admitted he's like,

925
00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:47.000
but it felt pretty good to be
by that sign like that all felt honest,

926
00:59:47.239 --> 00:59:50.840
Yeah, because he wasn't just like
oh but changed man, you know,

927
00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:53.159
he he said, like, no, it felt pretty good. He

928
00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:58.880
accomplished his goal right the way he
knew, the only way he could do

929
00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:02.400
it, and he got I think
he felt satisfaction and was happy with that

930
01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:07.760
and he got his Yeah, it's
okay to equally be like, yeah,

931
01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:09.280
I cheated and I got it,
but hey, I felt good, and

932
01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:12.079
he said, like and at the
end of the day, I just I

933
01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:14.960
lived through that. That was an
experience I did. Yeah, like I

934
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:17.480
yeah, I liked him. He
dude. I think it's like this because

935
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:21.960
the most honest thing in that it
was the only honest person. Yeah he

936
01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:24.880
was. They really used him as
a through line through the entire thing,

937
01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:30.559
like he does draw contract contrast to
to CONTI and kind of everybody else,

938
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:32.360
and he's the only one that would
take an interview, right. Marian didn't

939
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:36.159
new an interview. No, basically
sure that her storyline would be the same.

940
01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:37.920
It's like I wanted to be the
best. Yeah, yeah, I

941
01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:40.440
probably regret it now because it kind
of ruined my life a bit, and

942
01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:44.079
you know, I have this like
cloud over me now, But like at

943
01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:45.880
the time, it was worth it
and that's you know, I was living

944
01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:49.039
in the moment. I wish.
I wish we got a Romanowski interview because

945
01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:51.920
I think he's pretty open about it
all. Yeah, I haven't. Yeah,

946
01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:53.119
I haven't read his book, but
I heard about his book and I've

947
01:00:53.199 --> 01:00:58.400
heard interviews about him about his book
that he just talks about copious amounts of

948
01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:01.920
all types of drugs. Yeah,
he had it of fishing like tackle box

949
01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:07.800
full of supplements from The Wrestler,
remember the movie The Wrestler. Yeah,

950
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:10.679
but yeah, No, I think
Romanowski said that some of those NFL and

951
01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:15.719
and Raiders and Broncos given that you
would hop on the Raiders flights and in

952
01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:20.079
the back of everyone knew there was
a pillbox out there to make you feel

953
01:01:20.119 --> 01:01:22.599
better. Yeah. Remember it was
the Friday Night Lights when the guy they

954
01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:28.239
just kept feeding him the yegan this
interview, he talks about it. He's

955
01:01:28.239 --> 01:01:29.519
like, yeah, man, we
were all on it and a lot of

956
01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:31.239
my buddies died. But we're in
a lot of pain. Yeah, I

957
01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:37.119
understandably. You know, I knew
somebody who used to to race before Lance

958
01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:39.519
Armstrong was busted, and like he
was nobody, but he was on a

959
01:01:39.559 --> 01:01:45.039
team. And and you come in
from a ride and they like to give

960
01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:51.159
you an IV they give you testa
strone, they give you insulin up to

961
01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:52.159
help people that point it feel better. Yeah, you got to do it

962
01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:57.800
again tomorrow. Yeah, yeah,
I just I don't know that. I

963
01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:00.880
don't know it's possible for people to
have like long careers to really reach a

964
01:02:00.920 --> 01:02:07.000
height right without something which just makes
a better ruling for us to make it

965
01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:08.880
more legal, make it more studied, and make it more regulated, but

966
01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:13.360
allow it in sports. Yeah,
I'm not against that, right because like

967
01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:17.960
right now we have the optics are
no drugs, and the reality is copious

968
01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:22.760
amounts of drugs. So if we
go somewhere in the middle that is allowed

969
01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:25.480
and studied, yeah, there'll be
a percent that still abuses them and breaks

970
01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:30.199
the rules, but the playing field
is the gap will be smaller. So

971
01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:35.079
let's like make it regulated with doctors
with we don't even study them correctly.

972
01:02:35.079 --> 01:02:37.239
In America, I think the problem
with that is it's like these are kids

973
01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:40.960
games, for sure, because that's
what's preventing that. But I think it

974
01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:44.920
already happens. Yeah, I think
it's still optics. Like there's rumors over

975
01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:46.480
the areas I grew up in what
schools were on what and I remember,

976
01:02:46.639 --> 01:02:50.360
you know, I don't want to
call names. I remember going to you

977
01:02:50.400 --> 01:02:53.679
know, the local commercial gym as
a sixteen year old basketball player and seeing

978
01:02:53.719 --> 01:02:57.840
the football players from local high schools
around me, like what the and I

979
01:02:57.920 --> 01:03:00.159
just stood all my Like I have
many friends on the football that way,

980
01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:04.360
friends that I know that are on
my team in baseball that played football.

981
01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:07.880
They were taking like you were,
we were. Everybody was taking like some

982
01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:09.440
kind of sorrom or some ship.
Yeah, and I was just taking like

983
01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:13.960
the football guys especially like they were
all like at fifteen, sixteen years old,

984
01:03:14.039 --> 01:03:17.440
so that it's so different than these
TikTokers on Yeah, but it's just

985
01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:21.119
more verb. It's just verbal about
it. Like I know a bunch of

986
01:03:21.159 --> 01:03:23.000
my friends that were way too big
for that age that were taking ship.

987
01:03:23.199 --> 01:03:27.960
Yeah. So like I don't know
if there's a negative, it's already happening,

988
01:03:28.159 --> 01:03:30.679
right, That's my point. Yeah, Like an education, education and

989
01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:34.920
studies because America doesn't even like allowed
to study because it's still a class three

990
01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:37.440
or whatever the fuck. Like,
so if we make it at least legal

991
01:03:37.519 --> 01:03:42.280
study, maybe UC Davis can come
out with a healthier strain or a healthier

992
01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:45.639
compound or you know, or a
way to at least the high school kids

993
01:03:45.639 --> 01:03:50.840
then have know what post cycle therapy
looks like. Yeah, I'm like it's

994
01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:52.719
obviously cloudy because we're talking kids.
Yeah, it's fucking bad, but like

995
01:03:52.760 --> 01:03:55.519
you said, it's already happening so
common. And again it's probably the piece

996
01:03:55.559 --> 01:04:00.400
of shit coach at the school right
Like they don't where they they learn it.

997
01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:03.119
They're learning it from YouTube and probably
their coach that's fucked up. Though

998
01:04:03.159 --> 01:04:05.880
about the kids. Thing is,
I'm not trying to get like crazy political,

999
01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:11.559
but like in another form and use
of these drugs for gender stuff,

1000
01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:15.239
it's like it's totally it takes it
in fine, and then that's whatever that's

1001
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:16.760
I mean under opinions on that.
Yeah, I'm just talking about like anything

1002
01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:21.719
under eighteen is not cool, but
one is us for some people more acceptable.

1003
01:04:21.840 --> 01:04:24.840
Yeah, and that's weird, but
you might get it more acceptable on

1004
01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:27.679
the other side too. There's probably
some dads that are cool with their sixteen

1005
01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:30.920
year old taken test to go to
the NFL Next. Johnny Man tells my

1006
01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:33.480
point about even bringing that up.
It's like it's looked at in this light

1007
01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:36.320
as like totally fine and we should
be open minded to it. But then

1008
01:04:36.320 --> 01:04:40.199
why can't the dad let his son
do? I think it's all bad?

1009
01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:43.400
Yeah, this is not my personal
opinions. I agree, what about the

1010
01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:45.440
football dad that wants a sixteen year
old to take it? Like, why

1011
01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:47.800
is now that a problem? Because
yeah, one, they would say,

1012
01:04:47.920 --> 01:04:50.559
well, now now this is dangerous, but this isn't one. I don't

1013
01:04:50.599 --> 01:04:55.039
understand it enough. They would say
one is more important life changing, although

1014
01:04:55.039 --> 01:04:57.960
they're both life changing. Making ten
million dollars as a quarterback in the NFL

1015
01:04:58.079 --> 01:05:01.760
is life changing and being mentally happy, right, It's also like, yeah,

1016
01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:04.719
it's just what we tie. We
still tie. It's very interesting.

1017
01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:06.960
I never even thought about it in
that perspective till just now. Yeah,

1018
01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:11.960
when you talk about when you talk
about sports, you think of it as

1019
01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:15.840
a hobby or you think of it
as a choice. But how society actually

1020
01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:20.320
chooses or lives in sports. It's
not it's do or diet, kind of

1021
01:05:20.360 --> 01:05:24.039
like the Texas thing. Whether that's
right or wrong, Yeah, told different

1022
01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:28.320
conversation. But what society where we
put our money, our attention, our

1023
01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:33.000
morals, where we put things in
sports? It is everything. Yeah,

1024
01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:36.840
so whether that's right or wrong.
But to back up your point, right,

1025
01:05:38.119 --> 01:05:41.400
how we act and how we talk
about sports are different. Yeah,

1026
01:05:41.440 --> 01:05:45.400
who's our heroes, Lebron James,
Tom Brady, Who's who's Who's who's supposed

1027
01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:47.599
to talk when political things are going
down? Who's supposed to help Maui when

1028
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:51.320
Mauie's going crazy? It's these people. But then it's just basketball. It's

1029
01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:55.400
they're just dribbling on the ball.
So then which one is it? Which

1030
01:05:55.440 --> 01:06:00.239
does tie into the underage, whether
it be gender stuff or even growing you

1031
01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:01.679
know, what what what what says? You know, I think even Lionel

1032
01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:04.599
Messi got some shit. He was
like five feet and they give us mayhih

1033
01:06:04.679 --> 01:06:10.599
when he was a teen and now
he's five six. And some of those

1034
01:06:10.599 --> 01:06:13.480
people fucking take off too. I
mean some of them actually get No,

1035
01:06:13.599 --> 01:06:15.679
there's a pro golfer I forgot who
but he was like, yeah he was

1036
01:06:15.719 --> 01:06:18.199
five foot six. Yeah, growth
plate stuff, and I get it.

1037
01:06:18.199 --> 01:06:23.079
But yeah, where's that line drawn
of what's important and what's not and who

1038
01:06:23.119 --> 01:06:26.360
makes the choice or not? And
that's the problem. Yeah, hopping back

1039
01:06:26.360 --> 01:06:29.760
to to the previous episode, and
we're talking about Johnny Manzel. I mean,

1040
01:06:29.800 --> 01:06:34.519
he was heavily recruited out of high
school obviously, and that like before

1041
01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:42.760
him, how low were they going
to to find potential athletes where due that's

1042
01:06:42.760 --> 01:06:45.719
when you're in bro even no even
here, I told you I played against

1043
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:49.920
the guy from Modesto, Yeah,
who was signed full ride to UCLA verbal

1044
01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:53.880
I think because he couldn't write it
at the time verbal since seventh grade.

1045
01:06:54.360 --> 01:06:57.559
That's insanity. No. I think
there's a guy a Christian capital Christian I

1046
01:06:57.599 --> 01:07:00.480
played against. He was seven foot, he got a full UCLA in eighth

1047
01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:03.760
grade. Yeah, and that I
mean that that's the flip side of our

1048
01:07:03.800 --> 01:07:09.800
discussion about about if you just made
stories stories legal for sports, it is

1049
01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:13.039
going to push down to the kids, right, and that's that's scary.

1050
01:07:13.239 --> 01:07:15.679
But if it's regulated. But I
think the kids are a they're a lot

1051
01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:18.960
of them are taking stuff. What
if they like, is the answer just

1052
01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:23.159
like dropping the testing? Yeah see, I don't know, Yeah, that's

1053
01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:24.880
what. I don't know the answer
either, But like the point, what

1054
01:07:24.960 --> 01:07:27.280
is the testing doing? Because it's
kind of like the alcohol thing. To

1055
01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:30.880
me, we're like all the kids
I knew they were getting hammered in high

1056
01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:33.519
school, it's because their parents acted
like alcohol is the devil. My mom

1057
01:07:33.719 --> 01:07:38.360
would give me a sip of wine
at Easter, and then I didn't get

1058
01:07:38.360 --> 01:07:42.159
hammered in high school because it wasn't
that mysterious. Yeah, we we let

1059
01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:45.239
our kids at holidays have a glass
of wine. You can have a glass

1060
01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:47.079
of wine. Yeah, right,
and that's obviously whatever. And the alcohol.

1061
01:07:47.119 --> 01:07:49.880
Don't let me do coke and six
grade and now you're not a coke

1062
01:07:49.960 --> 01:07:56.400
adding and now I'm like, you
just want to play football like you?

1063
01:07:56.519 --> 01:08:00.599
Right, Like Europe Mexico their alcoholism. This family nickname was sugar, but

1064
01:08:00.440 --> 01:08:03.280
no, the exact exactly what you
said. Like other cultures right outside of

1065
01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:06.519
here, they probably have way less
alcohol than they don't we do. You're

1066
01:08:06.599 --> 01:08:11.039
right, yeah, where here alcohol
is this big I'll turn twenty one get

1067
01:08:11.039 --> 01:08:14.039
hammered, lucky you or parents are
all weird about it. And then we

1068
01:08:14.079 --> 01:08:16.159
have a bunch of alcoholics yep,
and underage drinking. So I don't know

1069
01:08:16.199 --> 01:08:20.319
if that works with steroids. But
in my head, education, no matter

1070
01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:24.039
what the subject, education is going
to be better than not. Yeah,

1071
01:08:24.079 --> 01:08:27.640
and we have a huge lack of
it in this department. I agree.

1072
01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:30.520
Yeah, I mean, like,
yeah, one of these conversations that we

1073
01:08:30.520 --> 01:08:33.960
could just go forever. But it's
just it's very strange like who's the gatekeeper?

1074
01:08:34.239 --> 01:08:36.640
Right, who's winning or who's who's
the gatekeeper? Yeah? Why why

1075
01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:41.079
are they so anti drug? And
why aren't we opening that? It's probably

1076
01:08:41.239 --> 01:08:44.720
goes deeper to political and money.
It's always tied to money, right at

1077
01:08:44.720 --> 01:08:46.239
the end of the line, there's
always where's the what's the money? Right?

1078
01:08:46.359 --> 01:08:49.520
Well? Yeah, yeah, and
power is money and money is power.

1079
01:08:49.560 --> 01:08:54.199
If you can create a wedge issue
and you put yourself on one side

1080
01:08:54.239 --> 01:08:59.039
and look like you're the you know, the righteous one. Yeah, yeah,

1081
01:08:59.079 --> 01:09:00.840
it's a moral because that's why it
is just optics, Like, there's

1082
01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:06.000
no way test for sixteen year olds
is worse than the heroin and the fentanyl

1083
01:09:06.079 --> 01:09:11.039
floating around our country. Yeah right, there's just no possible way overdose on

1084
01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:14.520
tests. Okay, maybe we'll get
like some hard issues overdose on heroin and

1085
01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:17.920
fentyl. Everyone's fucking dying right now, yea, and our cities are deteriorating

1086
01:09:17.960 --> 01:09:24.840
from literally giving people tools to do
the drugs, right, and crazy thing

1087
01:09:24.880 --> 01:09:27.439
about fenyl too, And I hadn't
really thought about this until recently. This

1088
01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:32.680
is totally off off topic, but
people who were dying of fentyl are not

1089
01:09:32.760 --> 01:09:41.600
taking fentyl on purpose. They're basically
being poisoned with an additive to the drug

1090
01:09:41.640 --> 01:09:44.600
they thought they were taking. In
Vegas right now, there's just literally just

1091
01:09:44.720 --> 01:09:47.760
hotel rooms full of people overdosing doing
there. I'm gonna get let's get some

1092
01:09:47.800 --> 01:09:53.359
coke and do party in Vegas and
on live people just dropping dead in Vegas

1093
01:09:53.439 --> 01:09:57.479
left and right doing coke and fucking
bachelor parties. Yeah, because it's cut

1094
01:09:57.520 --> 01:10:00.560
with fucking fentanyl. Yeah yeah,
if your celebrity that's died recently, blah

1095
01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:03.439
blah blah blah blah. Yeah related, but a lot of people are just

1096
01:10:03.479 --> 01:10:09.920
fucking shooting it up because it's cheaper
than inane and the basically cartel is completely

1097
01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:14.760
switched or just like selling fenton al
Yeah. Yeah, Well on that note,

1098
01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:19.800
how many syringes were given? Okay, so I'm I'm agnostic on this.

1099
01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:25.840
Syringes or Victor Conney Bentley's. Bentley's
are good too. I even thought

1100
01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:30.359
ZMA bottles ZMA bottles. Maybe is
that a fresh ball? Oh yeah,

1101
01:10:30.439 --> 01:10:34.000
yeah, Amazon, nice, that's
funny. He's still selling the same label

1102
01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:36.319
and everything. It's the same.
Well, I think that labels came full

1103
01:10:36.359 --> 01:10:41.159
circle like to being like back in
retro retro yea. Now it's like actually

1104
01:10:41.239 --> 01:10:45.600
kind of a fire color way and
fire the teal and yellow. Yeah,

1105
01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:47.640
it looks good with black and white, simple branding, a little arch logo

1106
01:10:47.760 --> 01:10:53.159
on there. Yeah. I actually
I because I've had some symptoms and some

1107
01:10:53.319 --> 01:10:57.840
not so great sleep that made me
think that potentially zinc and magnesium might be

1108
01:10:57.880 --> 01:11:01.079
at Those are two things that are
Danny takes. What's it called natural calm?

1109
01:11:01.199 --> 01:11:03.760
Yeah, yeah, the powder.
It's like like the old school,

1110
01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:08.520
like fucking everybody mom had it,
you know, and like take a scoop

1111
01:11:08.560 --> 01:11:11.119
bed before he was a bed he
said, he sleeps great. Yeh help,

1112
01:11:11.239 --> 01:11:14.359
this has made me poop. Yeah, that's I will wake up in

1113
01:11:14.359 --> 01:11:18.239
the morning and I would have like
the fullest bladder, explosive diarrhea, fullest

1114
01:11:18.279 --> 01:11:23.600
bladder ever and then explosive diarrhea.
Yeah, so it was. It was

1115
01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:26.239
not good for me. It did
not play out. Let's go by drug.

1116
01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:29.520
Boughton bent at least one to five. I'll give us one of four

1117
01:11:29.840 --> 01:11:32.319
for one. I think the subject
matter is just so interesting. Yeah.

1118
01:11:32.439 --> 01:11:36.119
Biased, Yeah, I'm biased too, And because it is an ever going

1119
01:11:36.199 --> 01:11:41.720
conversation and ever going issue and CONTI
is still involved, and everyone's still involved.

1120
01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:44.640
The Barry Bond stuff still talked about
why isn't he in the hall?

1121
01:11:44.680 --> 01:11:47.920
I think he'll die on his deathbed
for before ever admitting to gaining third season.

1122
01:11:48.279 --> 01:11:53.279
No, I think the veterans might
put him in if they put in

1123
01:11:53.479 --> 01:11:57.840
somebody else, Yeah, if they
who votes it coaches at this No,

1124
01:11:58.000 --> 01:12:00.520
at this point, because it's been
ten years, it has to be the

1125
01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:02.680
veterans that put him in. So
I was gonna say the sports writers are

1126
01:12:02.680 --> 01:12:05.159
out of it now. So it's
so I think you'll go in then because

1127
01:12:05.159 --> 01:12:09.640
the old guard will leave and there's
some people that still you know, maybe

1128
01:12:09.640 --> 01:12:12.319
twenty maybe another ten twenty years.
But then it might play a rule like

1129
01:12:12.359 --> 01:12:14.560
you said, like, yeah,
the rumor of Barry just kind of being

1130
01:12:14.600 --> 01:12:16.840
a dick in general, a lot
of players I think that I think if

1131
01:12:16.840 --> 01:12:21.359
he would have been more personable with
other had a better reputation socially, Yeah,

1132
01:12:21.479 --> 01:12:25.479
the dou I think we're talking to
more streamline situation. But I think

1133
01:12:25.479 --> 01:12:28.239
there's just a general consensus that like, fuck this guy. Yeah, yeah,

1134
01:12:29.319 --> 01:12:30.960
he's not really a part of our
club. Yeah he's not golfing with

1135
01:12:31.000 --> 01:12:34.359
him now, Yeah, he's not
the Charles Barkley Shack Buddies, dude loves

1136
01:12:35.319 --> 01:12:40.880
loves a King's Game. Yeah,
he also rides bikes with Lance Armstrong.

1137
01:12:41.039 --> 01:12:48.640
So yeah, but that's very flags. He's doing Appliance company commercials now like

1138
01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:51.560
local, local, Bay Area.
I don't know. I don't know why

1139
01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:54.680
he's doing that, like he's got
to have money. I don't know what's

1140
01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:57.159
chill. He might have been doing
it for a friend or whatever. Who

1141
01:12:57.159 --> 01:12:59.279
knows, but might give the same
as you. I'll give about a four

1142
01:12:59.640 --> 01:13:01.159
fort you know, somewhere between four
or four or five. He was pretty

1143
01:13:01.159 --> 01:13:04.159
good, not as great as Icarus. I think Acarus is still my favorite

1144
01:13:04.159 --> 01:13:09.279
documentary all the time, but this
one was all the untolds are shot.

1145
01:13:09.319 --> 01:13:12.399
Well, it's just your favorite untold
so far, probably, even though I

1146
01:13:12.439 --> 01:13:14.640
hear this Gators one, I guess
we'll have to do an I'm excited for

1147
01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:15.640
that one. Yeah, we'll do
that. I watched a little snip bit

1148
01:13:16.159 --> 01:13:21.000
preview and that opening story they talked
about in the previo, I mean that

1149
01:13:21.039 --> 01:13:25.479
teem's crazy. The stories that come
from that team are crazy, the Hernandez

1150
01:13:25.520 --> 01:13:29.439
stuff. But yeah, this,
yeah, probably my favorite untold. Aaron

1151
01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:32.079
on that team. Yeah, that's
where it gets weird. This story is

1152
01:13:32.119 --> 01:13:36.520
crazy, and the Tim Tebow Christian
stuff, the team Tim Tebow football stuff,

1153
01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:40.039
it's all there's so many stories.
Yeah, I would all give it

1154
01:13:40.079 --> 01:13:46.199
for America's favorite virgion for sure is
Jesus Christ. Probably yeah, probably probably

1155
01:13:46.239 --> 01:13:50.439
top three. Maybe. I like
Steroid Conversations because it's kind of dark.

1156
01:13:50.479 --> 01:13:54.439
But it's not dark. It's it's
dark. It feels darker than it is

1157
01:13:54.880 --> 01:13:57.439
yea truly, but it feels so
dark it's kind of fun. Yeah,

1158
01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:00.479
so it'll get the criminal guys.
You know, if you like criminal movies,

1159
01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:02.159
this kind of gets you if you
like steroids and lifting, very investive

1160
01:14:02.279 --> 01:14:04.520
like yeah, if you're in the
investigative, yeah, kind of like.

1161
01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:06.600
But if you like meathead shit,
you'll like it. And then obviously if

1162
01:14:06.600 --> 01:14:10.239
you like baseball and football you'll like
it. Yeah. So yeah four four

1163
01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:13.279
two two five, Yeah, I
would say four two five. Yeah,

1164
01:14:13.319 --> 01:14:15.239
I might scare with you. Yeah, it was, it was, It

1165
01:14:15.279 --> 01:14:16.479
was very good. It was like
I said, they left a lot of

1166
01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:20.000
stuff out, but maybe they could
do a two point zero maybe so they

1167
01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:26.199
could revisit it for sure. Yeah, the just the the whole, like

1168
01:14:26.319 --> 01:14:30.239
leaving out the the issue with the
Mitchell Report and the whole like testifying the

1169
01:14:30.279 --> 01:14:33.039
baseball players test, we're probably doing
an old, entire untold on just the

1170
01:14:33.039 --> 01:14:36.840
Mitchell or another maybe another company.
Maybe there's contracts buying subjects, right,

1171
01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:41.239
so maybe thirty thirty has it or
East sixty passibly, you know for all

1172
01:14:41.279 --> 01:14:44.039
we know. Yeah, but it's
cool they're whipping these things out. So

1173
01:14:44.079 --> 01:14:46.000
yeah, maybe the Gators won and
ten days or so, Yeah, I'm

1174
01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:48.319
gone for a couple of days.
Sounds good, and then we'll do some

1175
01:14:48.359 --> 01:14:54.520
Gators Go Gators. Where can people
find it? Dan at dan uh Sodors

1176
01:14:54.520 --> 01:14:57.479
dot c, k at Calvine and
Kilos. Grab yourself some coffee, grab

1177
01:14:57.520 --> 01:14:59.600
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1178
01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:01.880
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1184
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