Untold: Johnny Football – A 50% Facts Review

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It's on my way in. I
was listening to another podcast like I do,

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and they had something this is totally
unrelated to anything that we're gonna else

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we're gonna talk about today, but
I was curious about this. Uh it's

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a fuck marrin kill m uh waffles. Okay, pancakes. This is easy.

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So my logic here is if you
and I've never had this, but

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hypothetically, if you have the best
French toast in the world, the worst

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fresh toast in the world, the
best pancake in the world, the world's

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worst pancake in the world, et
cetera, et cetera, I think the

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margin or the gap between the pancake
is probably less. Like you have a

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ship pancake and you're like, oh, this is pretty good, right,

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It's hard to fuck up pancakes.
But you have a bad French toast,

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you're like, oh, it's kind
of it's kind of like dry or it's

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too saggy, and you have a
bang in French toast You're like, oh,

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fuck. So I definitely kill pancake, just because I think the margin

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of excellence is small. Okay.
The other two is kind of a toss

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up for me because I love both. Yeah, but I'm probably when I

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think of the the the fucking the
marriage, and you're both married, so

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maybe you guys can have more wisdom
than I. You know. I think

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of the fuck as a as a
one wild night down Las Vegas Strip,

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you know, And I'm thinking about
the marriage. What's gonna what's gonna be

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there for me when I'm down?
Who's gonna pick me up and dust me

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off? And I think the Waffle
has my back. I think the Waffle

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is gonna take care of me and
support my mission. And I think the

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French Toast just wants to like grab
my testicles and get funky, you know.

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Yeah. The marrying So you're marrying
the I think I'm marrying waffle.

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Yeah, then you're I'm just gonna
fuck the French, the French toast,

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and then you're gonna kill the pancake. Yeah what did it? Uh?

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Kirby brought us Hawaiian bread French toast. Yeah that was pretty good. That

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was pretty good. Yeah, they
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you know, that was pretty good. Donut whole size yeah, okay,

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yeah, they were similar in a
lot of the ways. Yeah,

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that was good, but yeah,
I think that's it. I think it's

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I think it's merry waffle, fuck
French toast. Isn't it crazy when you

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say that it sounds negative, like
you're like, I don't want to yeah,

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French toast, but no, I
want to fuck French toast. And

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then I think the pancake is out
the window. I'm gonna. I'm gonna.

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I'm gonna marry the pancake because it's
a tried and true it is and

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it's very I feel like it's American. I don't know if it is,

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but I feel like it is.
I eat it's. Out of those three

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go ahead. Out of those three, I eat the most probably pancake.

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So it's kind of there. It's
there for me. It's it's loyal,

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it's loyal, it's uh it's comforting. Yeah. Uh so I'm gonna do

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that with the pancake. I'm gonna
kill the the wrench toast because I'm just

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not a super sweet guy. Okay, like I do like sweets, don't

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get me wrong, but like I'm
not. I'm not a big breakfast guy

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already, but like I just don't
necessarily need all that. What about I

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do that a lot. I have
that the other night, and it's usually

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pancakes involved. I do feel like
pancakes are the tried and true when I

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think I'm when I close my eyes
and I think of I'm in a cabin

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and someone's making breakfast. As we're
coming out, they are pouring pancakes.

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Yeah, I love pancakes. Out
of those three, the mouse for sure,

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and then uh, I'll funk around
with a waffle here and there.

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I might get crazy with the waffle, you know, have variety of strawberries

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on there or something exactly. It's
more like, you know, it's like,

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you know, different types of you
know, different types of girls,

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different types of ball gag. I
might go, Hey, I might go

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ball gag fried chicken and waffles.
Chicken and waffles. I really like all

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am I co missionary with a little
bit of strawberry, you know. So

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it's yeah, yeah, that's good. So that's my us, our pancakes

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and waffles. I feel like ninety
percent of time is the same batter.

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Uh, it's similar. But I
think there's like more beaten egg whites in

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the proper. I think so.
I think so because I feel like at

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home you're not doing that. But
yeah, probably a proper one, so

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I don't be probably using the same
batt Yeah, you're just one just has

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holes. Yeah, it's all bass
quick at home. Yeah. Okay,

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So playing off what Mike said,
I feel like, like, of the

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three, if one is going to
be really really bad and unretrievable kind of

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way, it's gonna be a pancake. Yeah, it's gonna be like,

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it's gonna be dry, it's gonna
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like so that there's there's it's like
grainy inappropriate where the edges are like,

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oh, this is really good.
Then you get to the middle and it

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like falls apart or it's just not
done. Yeah yeah, yeah, you

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can rescue things a little bit with
with syrup. Syrup and butter do go

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a long way. When we're talking
breakfast, all these all free maybe not

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not as much the French tone.
No, I feel like you still fix

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it something. Yeah that's sure,
you're just covered, throw bacon on it

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or some shit. It's better.
So I'm gonna still pancakes too. I'm

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I'm just like I will say that
like kind of the best pancakes I've ever

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had as a kid. I'm back
up best ones I ever had an adult

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or like buckwheat pancakes. Those are
those are my mom makes like a wheat

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pancake that's actually pretty banging. Yeah, it tastes kind of hardy. I

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kind of like a it's probably not
yeah, like a nutty bread, you

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know, something that feels like meaty. Yeah, And that's what this pancake

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tastes like. And that is really
good. There's ever had gluten free pancakes?

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Get to your bulleshit out of here, dude. I have not had

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them, and there's a reason why
I don't like bad and free stuff.

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It's like a it's like almost like
a jelly. They're like a jelly.

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They're like a gel. It's a
jellycake gel texture like put in the middle.

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It's almost like a gel. You
think it's mochi, but it's kind

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of mochi texture. Yeah, they're
they're they're weird. I and I this

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is no you know, I don't
think it's the audience to get insulted.

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But there's no way anything gluten free
your vegan wins over the original. There's

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one thing that's definitely better free than
the original, and that is gluten free

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pretzels, the mini pretzels, they're
so crunchy, interesting. But my downside

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with them is that I am sensitive
to garbonza bean flower and that's what they

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use and a lot of the gluten
free stuff. That stuff. Yeah,

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DEFARTI is the least of it for
me. I got some carbonzo pasta or

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some shit and it's just protein packed. But holy moly, Yeah, you

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better not be going anywhere. Yeah, I've had a decent I've had a

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couple of decent gluten free pizzas.
Yeah, turn into like a thin crust

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situation. Yeah, the cauliflower ones
are pretty Yeah, those aren't bad.

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Those aren't bad. I can I
can fuck with that. But yeah,

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but then we're walking through fucking New
York. You're not going to the hell

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you know what I mean? If
it's in front of you, of the

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options there. Yeah, have you
guys had a gluten free oreo? No?

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No, I bet you it's similar, though honestly I wouldn't If you

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put two in front of me,
you wouldn't know because it's just fucking coco

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dust. Anyways, Yeah, what
the hell is an oreo? Yeah?

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Yeah, so our oreos are oreos
overrated, highly Okay, maybe the most

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overrated thing on the planet. Disagree, But I like them? Yeah,

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I like No, But but so
you got where did you guys go?

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Right there? I never said I
didn't like them. No, that's fair,

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right. Overrated isn't about like if
I really I really like them,

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how would they how would they be
like adequately rated? Like what would be

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the I think when people are like, oh, dude, let's get like

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a snack or a cookie, I'm
never going to reach for an Oreo if

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I want a cookie depends. Man, it's kind of a mood situation.

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It is a mood situation, I
agree, But it's gotta be double stuffed,

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and it's gotta be the regular one. Correct. Yeah, that's kind

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of like I've tried some of the
you know, you join the hype and

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you try the new flavors. Now
the original is definitely fake chemicals. I

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think of Oreo as salt that it's
one of the best toppings you can put

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on just about anything. You shove
it in my mcflurry, you shove it

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in my milkshake, or you can
shove it in my ass Coreo ice cream,

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Oreo ice cream. Yeah, it's
the best. That's that's my favorite.

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Or Oreo ice cream cake. Yeah, the best. You crenkle some

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of them, hose into any of
that. Love love It Shake Oreo Shake,

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Love It. The cookies and Creise
my favorite. But I'm just not

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gonna grab like a stack of Oreos. When there's chocolate chip cookies anywhere within

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a mina, I would rub on
Oreos. My dad was a big Oreo

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guy, so I think that's probably
why I like them. Yeah, I

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ate a lot of them too,
and I like them, but people think,

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you know, they're like up there
like Hostess Debbie shits, you know,

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but if you're walking through a bakery, you're gonna get a little fruit

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tart or something from there, you
know, chocolate Declaire I where I just

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put it. I would say a
Hostess cake is the most overrated fucking They're

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pretty opening on the planet. I
just I don't want that much chocolate.

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How sad is our Hostess. I've
thought about this probably for twenty years.

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We have a Hostess factory. It's
a storage unit. Now, I thought

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that would be the dopest gym ever. Oh yeah, it still says one.

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I think the oh's gone, but
it says Hostess like cupcakes or whatever,

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and it's probably nineteen sixties neon sign
and typically you can't tell. It

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looks run down, but sometimes the
indoor lights will be on and it's all

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just storage units. It's kind of
sad, sad, So all right,

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so I'm killing pancakes. French toast
is fine. It's it's every day fine

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for Christmas morning. Every year.
My my brother in law's a chef makes

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a like baked brioche French toast.
It's like soaks and cream, soaks and

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cream all night long and then you
and then you bake it and then you

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die. Yes, it's super super
super good, but it's like a once

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a year kind of kind of thing. But like regular French toasts, it's

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just fine. And it's also easy. Of the of the three, it

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is the easiest one eggs and just
like dredging in that and you're good to

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go. Right, you can kind
of make it healthy. You get like

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a little fibery, weedy bread.
You learn a lot of white alternate.

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Yeah, you do, like egg
whites versus a bunch of eggs or one

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egg regular egg and a bunch of
egg whites. Yeah, you can kind

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of make it and then sugar sugar
sauce. It's pretty decent. However,

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you know, I was in Belgium
this year and so I had the traditional

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Belgian leege waffle fucking hot off the
iron, just just bathed in nutella and

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whipped cream. Life changing. Yeah, that is a dessert you want to

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fuck right there? Is it a
dessert to them? Yeah? And we're

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just fat and have a breakfast.
Yeah. Street food, street food for

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sure. Yeah. Sometimes there's one
in front of the Kings Games. I

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don't know if there is anymore,
but there was a Belgian waffle guy in

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front of Kings Day this. Uh. We went to a couple of different

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once one was like a storefront,
and then we went to god, I

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can't remember what it was called.
I think it was an antwerp and it

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was like like the smallest waffle stand
or something like that. And it was

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like one dude and he's got a
line and he's got all these waff lirons

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going and he's just like just crankut
and you get it and it's so hot

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you can immediately put it in your
in your mouth and it's just melting everywhere

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and it's like there's whip cream all
over the sidewalk like it's a boococky festival

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or something. It's so good.
Sign me up. I love funnel cakes

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and I know they're maybe the cousin
to all these. Yeah, they're like

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wafflesk They're like fried waffles. Conda
what's his name from the Saints talking about

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Benet's, Oh yeah yeah, and
he's like, yeah, it's it's overrated.

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He's like, he's like, just
got drafted to the Saints and he's

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like, yeah, don't understand where
they're Okay. He's like, I mean

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they're like, Oh, I don't
think that the people are saying. He's

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like, oh, I don't mean
like they're not good. It's just like

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I have these all the time in
LA. They're just called we just call

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the funnel cakes the same thing except
that they're totally Yeah. His quote quote,

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where's your PR team holding you back? You just got drafted by Louisiana.

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They'll die on Beignet. Yeah,
you should go buy some Gator boots

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and start loving on beignets. You
ever played some of the newer two k's

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probably since like twenty fifteen sixteen,
have like a career mode, so you'll

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make your player you know, and
then you'll go through the draft, but

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they'll do interviews and you get to
answer questions and then you get a rating

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based on how you do you know
what I mean, And so if you're

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if your points go up, you're
more likely to get traded, you're more

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likely to get in the All Star
Game, and all shit like that.

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And it's all stuff kind of like
that, not necessarily city specific, but

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it'll be like, yeah, coach
brought you out in the fourth quarter,

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how'd you feel about it? You
know, they'll be four options like one,

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and some of them can kind of
tell like, oh, that's a

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dickhead option. They're not gonna like
that. Some of them, you know,

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you'll see like oh, it'll be
a fan place of media training.

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It's media training. It's hell of
fun. Actually that's crazy. Yeah,

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but that guy needs that. Well, if you haven't been to Cafe dumont

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in that solid in New Orleans and
had the coffee, the like chicory and

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and coffee blend coffee and the bignets
there where they just it's like it's like

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good Fellas or not good Fellas.
Oh my god, what's the the Tony

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Montana, the scarface. He has
like scarface. It's just like cocaine all

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over them, except that it's powdered
sugar. Unless you've had that, you

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really shouldn't comment. I haven't had
those. Danny's been and he liked them.

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Yeah they're good. Yeah, it's
really good. I don't love chicory

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coffee, you, but the vibe
is good. There's a whole thing like

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if you like bitter chocolate, you're
gonna like bitter coffee. And it's a

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it's just a taste buds thing.
It's fun. My mom drinks it every

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day. I don't like it.
Yeah, I dig it, but I

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don't. I don't. I don't
dig it every day anymore, but I

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did for a couple of years,
Like you know, drink a lot of

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it. So media training football combines
Johnny Menzel honey football. Yeah, I

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mean there's another untold we missed now
too. They're whipping him out faster and

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weekend with yeah Gators, the Gators. Yeah, oh yeah, I heard

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that was good. Good. My
mother in law text me, you gotta

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watch the swamp or whatever it's called. It was called. It's called the

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sh in the swamps something like that. They're I mean, they're good storytelling,

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right, and they're choosing they're choosing
stories that are big but not the

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biggest, Right. It's easy to
do one on Kobe, it's easy to

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do one on Jordans. And they're
finding these niches that are like like,

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for lack of a better term,
one hit wonders in the sports world,

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but they're very impactful, like Johnny
Football's impact and the sport was much bigger

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than his career was, you know
what I mean, And the same even

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with the swamp like that Florida.
Florida is always good at football obviously,

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but like that little run there was
insane and that single team was insane.

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Tebow was the like he was a
god. Yeah, he was a god.

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He was literally a god and so
a man of God. Yeah.

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Uh So, like, you know, it's cool that they choose those type

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of stories rather than go for the
easy pickings. Yeah. Again, they're

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they're told pretty good. Yeah.
So my issue with this one, I'm

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just gonna stay up front. Actually
I have a number of issues, but

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Liken, the biggest one is that
this doesn't feel like a complete story by

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any stretch of the imagination. I
just don't know kind of end. It's

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streamlined for number number one, so
a lot of shit is left out obviously

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you have an hour ish, you
know. I like that though, Yeah,

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I do like quick these are we
can watch him like that and they're

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just kind of done yea. Yeah. I mean the other issue too is

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I think Johnny's younger than us,
so like his story isn't finished. Yeah

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he is, you know, he's
probably thirty. He is thirty, yeah,

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or at least he turned thirty in
the shows were Yeah, so like,

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you know, his story kind of
isn't done where he should be,

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like, you know, perfect mix
of prime time in the NFL right now

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with his wisdom and his skill,
right thirty old quarterbacks kind of the golden

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era, but he just didn't have
yeah it Yeah, sad story kind of.

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But also I don't know, I
didn't really feel bad for him now,

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but I don't know if he felt
bad for him either. Yeah,

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that's fair. The movie made me
like him more, for sure, because

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I thought he was more of like
and not that he's not a wild child,

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but you know, the media perception
was that he was a total bitch,

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you know, and I don't think
he is. I think he's definitely

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like kind of a kid, maybe
a little immature, and got a lot

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of success through some of that.
But like, I don't think he's a

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total bitch, and I used to
kind of think he was. And I

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was a fan too, right he
got drafted by the Browns. He was

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supposed to save our city. I
was fucking stoked. I've been a Browns

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fan my whole life. We finally
get, you know, a Heisman trophy

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fucking quarterback, Like here we go. You know, well, it wasn't

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that. What's funny because we watched
that one about Teo remember a lot while

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back, the Catfish, and it
kind of rolls into this one where like

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he was supposed to win the Heisman
for sure, but then that whole Catfish

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thing kind of might have kept him
from from getting it, and then Johnny

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got it, and Johnny when he
won it hadn't shown, you know this,

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the autograph stuff hadn't happened, He
hadn't had the money yet, so

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that the negative side of him wasn't
there. So I think at the point

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of the Heisman he was still he
was. Yeah, he was more of

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a golden boy than Teo, where
everyone's kind of if he on his mental

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capacity, although a little fast four
or five years in the flips, right,

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you're like, oh, Mantis seems
like a good dude and solid.

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He just got kind of booved and
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the whole narrative with even the whole
like every I think most of us thought

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that the teo thing was like he
made that all up right, right,

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yeah yeah, yeah, like attention
seeking who knows exactly, but then ended

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up being not fourth kid was probably
in love, yeah yeah, and lonely

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in a way, like yeah,
like isolated the story yeah, and the

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movie obviously pushes that narrative, but
it is true, right, He's from

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Hawaii and now he's in fucking Indiana
or where is Notre Dame Indiana? And

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I don't remember, but it is
like in Indiana, Ben, Ben,

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this is just so embarrassing. We're
gonna have to let this up. Yeah,

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it's it's somewhere in there. I
think it's Indiana. It's somewhere small.

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I was just looking up random shit. I forgot who else, what

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they're what, but like, how
many people are from random ass spots,

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like the Jacksons are from Michael Jackson. It's from Indiana. Weird fucking weird.

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How do you make it like that
he's from Gary, Indiana? Strange?

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Who's sorry? The Jacksons? Oh
yeah, the fuck Yeah, that's

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weird. Right. I thought maybe
the south right, because there's something,

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yeah, Louisiana or some shit.
Weird fucking Gary. I guess it's close

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to Detroit, right, which is
the motown disco stuff. So that kind

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of makes sense for the Jackson's.
But Gary, Indiana, you're you're the

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answer is Notre Dame, Indiana.
Yeah, oh is the city? Yeah,

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yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I think it's close to Gary

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and all that. I mean,
I've never been to Indiana, but all

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that's just the same in my brain. Detroit, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio,

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I've been. I've been Oliver,
Ohio. All the same shit.

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Yeah, all the same shi,
yeah, pretty similar. But yeah,

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no, I thought, and this
is like spoiler, I think he I

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mean, at the end, you
find out that he's diagnosed by polar which

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okay, but anybody that's diagnosed with
any kind of a behavioral disorder or whatever,

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that's that's fine. All this kind
of check that box and say,

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okay, so there's gonna be some
behavioral deviation from what we expect, Okay,

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but I think that people who who
have those diagnoses have a responsibility two

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not fuck everybody else over in the
name of that. Like Tyson Fury.

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Yeah, for example, I think
he is too. Yeah, but he's

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not like fucking up his Lifegregor.
Yeah, I mean so like Gregor Ung

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diagnos I don't disagree by any means, I do agree, but I think

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the variables come when you're young,
right, because diagnosis is harder. And

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then two, when you get his
level of fame at sixteen, seventeen,

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eighteen, nineteen twenty. Not that
he shouldn't be responsible because by our you

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know, World eighteen, you're responsible, but like his parents should have,

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you know, done something. It
sounds like his dad was kind of a

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prick too. Yeah, it seems
like he will like want to be Johnny

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Football, you know, daddy football. Ye wanted to living through john He

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wanted to be Daddy Football. So
like, yeah, his parents should have

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drawn these borders a little better because
because as soon as you like being man

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making all the Kanye West and right, there's all this stuff. But part

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of that probably made Johnny who he
is too. Maybe, Yeah, well

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like it, Like it definitely made
him who he is, but it probably

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helped in some senses He's flair and
his confidence and right like his impulsiveness.

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Yeah, I don't think it's a
I don't think it's a coincidence that we

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have so many people like the Kanye's
and the mcgregors and the I mean with

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the raw Odman's, we could probably
name a trillion people that are somewhere on

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the spectrum of bipolar and so yeah, it's to me, it's definitely his

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parents agreed, and it seems like
he has who knows, but it seems

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like he found himself a little bit
more. Part of it, too,

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is like he didn't like football,
you know, like he was burning burning,

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Now he kind of liked football.
Yeah, I actually made me like

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him a lot more because how Johnny
was with football is kind of how I've

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been with powerlifting. Obviously, he
reached much greater heights and success, but

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like, I like it, I
ain't fucking stayed up for it. Yeah,

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you know, and he was like
that too, like he was just

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so gifted at it, but he
was not like, yeah watching they said

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he never watched a single film.
Yeah, yeah, and it has to

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feel like you got dropped into the
wrong body. Yeah, you know,

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like like you're you have all these
physical gifts, but you're only minimally interested

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in them. You're you're only interested
in what they can do for you and

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not you know, what you can
do. Yeah, a lot of that

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stars aligning, I think, right, because how many people find what they're

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gifted at, like the true gift
and whether you believe there's one or like

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a couple of them. But say
he found his true gift, you got

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to experience it, realize you're good, and still don't like it. I

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don't think that happens nor because it
wouldn't. Who becomes so good and only

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kind of like it? Or you
get addicted to winning very least, And

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maybe he had a hint of that. It seemed like, you know,

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yeh wanted to right, But that's
because he didn't like it so much.

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I think that he only got addicted
to winning. He didn't get addicted the

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dopamine hit was winning enough playing And
then he mentioned some stuff like he liked

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the team stuff and he liked that. But I went through that with basketball,

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where like you know, shout out
Dean Stark, my high school coach

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was so good a team building and
like getting us on the same page.

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And he has the brain of like
a Phil Jackson, like he's he's a

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once in a lifetime brain. I
was so lucky to have him because then

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I went on to the college and
they just don't give a fuck, especially

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junior college where it's cut throat,
like everyone on your team almost sees you

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as an enemy. Because I need
playing time so I can go get this

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d one offer. I just gotta
outdo Dean and practice rather than like no,

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like, let's win together, what's
best for the team, what's best

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for them. And so it seemed, you know, you get to the

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pro level for Johnny and now it's
similar, right, like no one's really

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playing for the Browns. So I
think that, yeah, kind of what

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you're hitting at here is that he
was really only in it for himself and

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what he got from winning. He
didn't I didn't have any sense at all

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that he had a sense of team
like winning things for the team, that

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any kind of selflessness at all about
anything. I guess I think it's a

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common, more common than people want
to think. When you when you turn

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on you know, pro sports,
you think Oh, their professionals are going

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to get it. But a lot
of it's yeah, how do I get

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the bag? We've seen a time
and time again you get a big contract

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and then your stats cutting half because
you don't give a fuck no more,

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you know, like the it's a
little bit of the business just taking over

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the culture and the beauty of sports. And then when you get something special,

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you know, here and there you'll
have a team that actually likes each

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other in cares. But for the
majority of it, I don't think it's

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like that way at the pro level. I don't think I think people give

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a fuck. I just I think
also Tuesday, I think that he was

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forced into this like Spotlight for sure. I think he wanted to live like

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the maybe the the lifestyle of like
a pro athlete more than actually be the

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athlete. And then he was kind
of like drafted in on this like big

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hype train and then like they throw
him in this game he doesn't even really

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want to do it, and he
was like, He's like, I didn't

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really sign up for this. He
was right in that generation of the social

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media and the internet. Like obviously
the internet had been around, but not

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the impact of Internet on sports and
culture hit in twenty ten to twenty eighteen

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and now obviously yeah, and that's
he became one of the stars in that

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era and one of the first right
to be at the parties, to have

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people shooting pictures of him in the
club, Like he was kind of the

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first wilder boy. And I mean, imagine Rodman with social media, you

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know what I mean? Or imagine
whoever, even even Mike Tyson, you

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know, like any of these guys, Yeah, any of these eccentric freaks

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of of nature that dominated their sports
in the eighties seventies eight I mean even

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Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, who
knows what the fuck was going on?

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Will Chamberlain, right, suppose he
didn't he fuck a thousand women or something

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twenty thousand. Yeah, he had
a he had a bedroom that was just

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a bed. Yeah, like the
whole room was I kind of like that.

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It's kind of like on the edge
of sexy and a Saint asylum.

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Yeah, Like are the walls too, I kind of like that Marrors on

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the ceiling, right, Imagine that
dude's got Snapchat, you know, yeah,

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over Jesus, everyone would have a
picture of his dicky, So like

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not that not to defend Johnny,
but like it was a perfect storm of

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all these factors that that made his
thing some of the fun There is funny

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parts that I just didn't know about
the story because I've paid attention to football

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00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:52.440
then more than I do now,
probably, But like his roommate or his

402
00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:55.599
best friend playing as manager, I
didn't know that, And that guy seems

403
00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:57.400
funny and he's like, I also
kind of got fucked up. He did

404
00:25:57.440 --> 00:26:02.079
get he did for sure, And
all though that guy did like criminal things,

405
00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:03.839
he seems nice, Like he seems
genuine, like he just wanted to

406
00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:07.240
help his friend. Yeah, he
wasn't trying to like screw that, and

407
00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:10.599
he took two A. He's like
trying to like help his buddy, yeah,

408
00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:12.759
and make it. He took an
eighty twenty split Like I wouldn't take

409
00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:15.759
that. Yeah, No, he
was considering what was involved. Yeah,

410
00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:21.240
but yeah, when then he literally
obviously took the legal ramifications to it sounds

411
00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:25.599
like but the story to make up
that his parents are rich, I never

412
00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:27.559
heard. That's just so funny.
Yeah, that was like because I do

413
00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:30.599
remember never knew about that being neither
and I heard about Johnny hanging out with

414
00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:34.200
Justin Bieber and hanging out with all
your and I just thought it was because,

415
00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:38.400
oh, like because you see it
now like those rappers hang out with

416
00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:42.200
twitch streamers and stuff just because they're
like clouded and like they're they're having a

417
00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:45.680
good time. So there probably was
a part of that with Johnny two.

418
00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:49.920
But yeah, who's funding it?
Obviously his autographs? Uh yeah, and

419
00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:53.039
so like that whole thing just to
make a whole story. The whole world

420
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:56.799
thought his parents were just rich.
Also, man like, fuck that,

421
00:26:57.640 --> 00:27:00.160
well, how crazy is it?
Fest eight years and what he did is

422
00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:03.039
totally legal now, I know.
I just pisses me off. That was

423
00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:07.279
that's Reggie Bush is out. They
ripped his heisman. But fast forward eight

424
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:10.240
years and what he did is legal
now. It's kind of like people being

425
00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:12.039
in jail right now for having a
dine bag of pot. Yeah, they're

426
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:15.559
they're after somebody. I just read
it this morning. I can't remember who

427
00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:22.559
it was. For signing autographs like
two weeks before before this new agreement.

428
00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:26.200
What do I mean, We're gonna
tap in a balco in a second.

429
00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:29.960
But a lot of it's intertwined,
like taking steroids and cheating the win a

430
00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:33.960
record or something, and getting stripped
of it is much different than you signing

431
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:37.079
autographs or even taking money from the
school. In my opinion. Yeah,

432
00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:41.680
you know, like all can be
said that are morally wrong or are just

433
00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:45.880
wrong because they're against the rules,
but it's all spectrum, you know,

434
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:51.119
like, well, not all morals
are built the same. I think too

435
00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:56.640
that like scholarships, like full right
scholarships with you know, room and board,

436
00:27:56.960 --> 00:28:00.920
all that kind of, all that
kind of stuff. That's an enrichment,

437
00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:07.079
right, Sure, it's an enrichment. So why is cash different than

438
00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:08.880
that? Yeah, they just had
they just said, yeah, they just

439
00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:11.440
had like tight limits. Like even
when I started to turn eighteen, I

440
00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:15.240
was starting to talk to D one
schools and stuff like you had to be

441
00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:18.920
so careful, like you couldn't take
anything from anyone sport related or not.

442
00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:22.559
I couldn't have taken it from you
guys. If it was valued over two

443
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:26.240
hundred dollars, that could make me
ineligible for the NC TWOA. So you

444
00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:29.559
just said to like have all these
random rules, and obviously all those rules

445
00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:32.720
changed multiple times over the years.
But in my arrows kind of like that.

446
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:34.160
So if I get like if Dean's
like, oh dude, I really

447
00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:37.599
want you to like, uh,
do well, here's a pair of sneakers

448
00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:41.839
to play in. You gotta wash
that line like they you know, and

449
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:44.359
yeah, whether that's right or wrong, it's just how it was. There's

450
00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:49.160
such fine line rules. When I
went I didn't get recruited that heavy because

451
00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:52.279
I went to you know, Hogwarts, But me and my dad literally drove

452
00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:56.440
down to Saint Mary's of Moraga,
and I don't remember the exact rule,

453
00:28:56.440 --> 00:29:00.559
but there's blackout periods where you can't
be on campus or can't can't come to

454
00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:03.440
you. My dad just trudged.
My dad as a gangster, just trudged

455
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:07.039
into the fucking coach's office at this
D one school is going crazy, right,

456
00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:08.920
they just made a sweet sixteen run
and just like we just found the

457
00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:12.440
coach walking around the locker room and
so like we just handed on my tape

458
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:15.720
and he's like, oh, like, since you came here, it's fine,

459
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:18.599
but know that like I can't call
you and all this blackout period He's

460
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:21.839
like, yeah, I can watch
this because you came here, but I

461
00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:23.720
can't email you for another three weeks
or what you know. There's just a

462
00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:27.440
lot of like bullshit rules everywhere.
Yeah, you know, and I understand

463
00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:33.319
that part of it is, you
know, you don't want a player to

464
00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:38.319
be influenced to affect the outcome of
a game over money. Sure it's because

465
00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:41.079
of betting. Yeah yeah, really, I mean that's really what it comes

466
00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:45.079
down to, is just is just
betting or like recruiting, right, all

467
00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:48.359
the recruiting rules going to play like
you don't want a certain coach to have

468
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:52.559
an advantage because he lives closer or
because he's personally richer, right, So

469
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:56.319
like, and it happened anyways because
it traditions a school, right, Alabama

470
00:29:56.319 --> 00:30:00.759
got a tradition to success, that
coach gets paid more, that school has

471
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:03.799
more honors, so they can sign
more people. But they didn't want them

472
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:07.559
to have an unfair advantage over the
Sex States coach to be able to get

473
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:10.759
Dean to go play quarterback. Yeah, that's what they say. But I

474
00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:12.960
still think it all comes down to
betting. Probably some of them, but

475
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:15.440
a lot of it. I don't. I don't know if it has gambling,

476
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:19.240
but I agree that it's all money. Yeah, because because then the

477
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:23.400
boosters who graduated, all the players
that went to the NFL that now that

478
00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:27.160
went to Bama are supporting that boosters
club, you know, so it's definitely

479
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:32.640
money related. What did they say
that the the football team is the porch

480
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:37.000
of college universities? Like it's the
that one guy I remember who, I

481
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:42.039
can't remember who it was, Like
it was some main like NC double a

482
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:47.039
guy, and then telling about how
the football program is the front porch of

483
00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:48.839
the university for sure. So it's
like, if you have a good football

484
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:51.839
team, you're gonna get more people. I want to go to school there.

485
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:53.519
You're gonna get you know, all
these other things that people are gonna

486
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:56.160
want to come to the university and
pay tuition. Yeah, so it's like

487
00:30:56.200 --> 00:31:00.480
that if the program's good, you're
going to have a better school gonna happen.

488
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:03.440
And then all of a trickle effect, right, who's buying a Sack

489
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:07.000
State football shirt unless you play for
the school? Yeah, and then no

490
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:10.119
one but everyone's buying a Bama,
everyone's buying Ohio State, everyone's buying a

491
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:12.400
Michigan. Yeah. It raises the
level of all of it, and so

492
00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:17.000
like I get it, but and
then now I don't even know the rules,

493
00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:19.480
Like there's kind of none, you
know, the NIL stuff is crazy

494
00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:25.000
with recruiting, with the pandemic with
the because you used to if you went

495
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:27.400
to like a similar league or school
and you transferred, you have to used

496
00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:30.839
to have to sit out a year. Now you don't have to. Like

497
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:33.200
it literally is just like minor leagues
now, like there's anything goes. I

498
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:37.400
don't know if you can just straight
pay the kid. I don't think there's

499
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:41.680
there's red tape there. You can't
get like salaried, But I think they

500
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:44.960
can wiggle it harder where Oh,
Dean, I want to put you on

501
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:48.680
the billboard for sack State. Here's
ten grand to go on the billboard.

502
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:51.240
They can do that. I think
they just can't pay you a salary.

503
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:53.599
I might be wrong. I don't
know one way or the other. Because

504
00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:56.599
you can get a likeliness basically,
you get paid for your likeliness now,

505
00:31:56.599 --> 00:32:00.440
and you can take sponsorships. Yeah, they're not selling two million of your

506
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:05.039
jerseys and you're not seeing a diamond. I think the rule is you can't

507
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:07.000
get paid to play, yeah,
but you can get paid for like everything

508
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:14.839
everything else. I totally get why
he was torked about the whole situation with

509
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:20.440
with merch. He literally built them
an entire new stadium, especially that school.

510
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:22.640
Yeah, it was just a perfect
storm of that school too, right,

511
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:24.000
because the school was on the radar, but not it just went to

512
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:28.240
the SEC, which is obviously the
biggest football. I mean, it's literally

513
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:31.200
the mini NFL. The SEC football
is the minor leagues of the NFL.

514
00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:36.279
Is it still an all boys school? No, I don't think so A

515
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:38.000
and M. Yeah, I don't
know everything it used to be. Yeah,

516
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:45.759
I think maybe in the eighties,
nineties, yeah, interesting. Yeah,

517
00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:53.200
I just think that football is over
indexed in Texas as a as a

518
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:59.119
as an activity, as a you
know, as a place to find people

519
00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:02.200
to make heroes. You know.
It's it's just it's too much. It's

520
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:08.960
too much. It's too much focus
on people who have not become adults yet.

521
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:13.359
Yeah, you know, I'm in
high school football Friday night lights.

522
00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:20.599
You know. It's just it's a
lot of pressure at a time when kids

523
00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:22.799
are supposed to be playing a game. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah,

524
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:23.400
it's a kid's game at the end
the day. Yeah, but if

525
00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:27.680
there's money involved, it's going to
change things, you know. And just

526
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:30.920
how our society is built, like
who we make anyone as our heroes all

527
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:35.200
based on entertainment, right, So
obviously entertainers probably aren't going to be the

528
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:40.400
best actual humans morals. And I
like his story mirrors like people who were

529
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:45.160
you know, rock stars and and
and film stars and stuff. He's like,

530
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:50.720
you know, he's he's the River
Phoenix who didn't die. He's you

531
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:53.279
know, Jim Morrison, he's you
know, people who kind of just said

532
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:57.799
fuck it, I want to do
this and I don't care what anybody thinks.

533
00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:00.319
I mean, that's how even in
sports, how you is to like

534
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:02.119
mega stardom. Like there's always stars. There's Peyton Manning, you know,

535
00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:05.599
but he took a quiet route.
There's Drew Brees, he took the quiet

536
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:08.039
route. But then there's guys like
that or Lebron. You know, Lebron's

537
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:12.480
walking on stage with Drake last night. You know. So it's kind of

538
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:15.079
once you get there, I think, once you get the doors open,

539
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:17.400
it's which, you know, haul
do you take? Which which which hallway

540
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:21.639
do you want to choose? And
if you're, yeah, you know,

541
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:25.400
mentally a little rocky, you're probably
gonna choose the crazy route. Yeah.

542
00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:29.360
Yeah, it's hard to tell a
nineteen year old that, hey, we're

543
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:31.519
gonna pay you fifty thousand dollars to
show up to our club. Yeah,

544
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:36.599
say no when you got no money? Yeah yeah, yeah, your you

545
00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:38.039
know, what do you expect?
I don't. I don't really blame him

546
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:42.440
for any of the choices he made
because like those are his choices, but

547
00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:45.199
his heisman got ripped. I don't
know. No, I don't think so

548
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:51.000
how was that? But Reggie Bushes
did because they kind of like I feel

549
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:54.079
like they use Reggie Bush as like
a sacrificial lamb. Yeah you know what

550
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:58.360
I mean. I think they'd like
try to make an example, right obviously,

551
00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:02.079
Like and yeah, Reggie's another guy, Like that's why I even watched

552
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:06.599
college football because he's amazing, Like
that's how I got into college. He

553
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:08.920
seems so kind. Yeah, he's
just a hard working guy. Yeah,

554
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:12.280
he seems so kind. Like and
so does Johnny. You know, I

555
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:15.400
think Johnny's a good dude. He
just off the ters, off the richter,

556
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:19.440
and and he just wants to live
life a different way. YEA,

557
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.920
his way. That's why to judge
that. That was part of it too,

558
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.920
is I think the life he needed
to live. Like and this is

559
00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:30.239
gonna sound some life coachy heb GB
shiit, but like his true self wasn't

560
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:34.599
what was going on in reality,
and that happens, and then you had

561
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:37.960
sprinkle in the bipolar. But that
for any human is going to cause behavior

562
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:42.280
issues if you're living a life that's
not true to what's going on, right,

563
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:45.760
that's like like cognitive dissonance, Like
that's actually like an issue where then

564
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:50.480
yeah, you sprinkle the mental dis
you know, instability, and it's just

565
00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:55.559
gonna go crazy where even us,
he's gonna lean harder in the he's gonna

566
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:59.679
find more. Yeah, like just
naturally, and that would happen to us

567
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:01.519
even without the mental instability. Yeah, you know, and then you throw

568
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:04.760
that in there, it's gonna make
it just gonna dramatize it and then you

569
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:07.760
become Yeah, so yeah, I
empathize a little bit more than I probably

570
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:08.719
did in the beginning too. And
obviously he has a much of you know,

571
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:12.400
cocaine and whatever the hole what was
going on, but yeah, and

572
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:15.679
screwing his buddy over. Yeah,
hopefully they talked after this movie. You

573
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:19.079
think if they they still hadn't talked, You think if they both watched the

574
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:22.800
movie, though, one of them
might shoot a text because they both were

575
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:24.760
kind to each other even in the
interview when they said they didn't and and

576
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:28.800
and yeah, his buddy didn't really
have to be any did anyway, because

577
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:31.400
he's still he said, I still
love Johnny. Johnny kind of seemed like

578
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:34.920
it too. It didn't seem like
he had animosity either. It seemed like

579
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:37.559
it was just what had to happen, and and what sucks is it the

580
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:40.719
breakup probably didn't have to happen that
same way, Like it was probably in

581
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:45.760
the midst of Johnny's chaos. But
he probably could have said like, oh,

582
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:46.840
hey, man, you can't be
my manager. You could be with

583
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:51.119
my assistant, or you could be
my social media. That conversation never happened,

584
00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:52.480
Yeah, because they were young and
there's so much chaos going on.

585
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.239
He's going to court dates, he's
you know, it almost seemed like his

586
00:36:55.280 --> 00:37:00.199
buddy kind of fucked himself over a
little bit, because I mean, I

587
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:02.880
think that Johnny kind of screwed him
to maybe because of the lack of communication,

588
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:05.880
but I think they're both at fault. But what I'm saying is like

589
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:07.880
he could have definitely probably sound like
he could have. Johnny was willing to

590
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:12.119
work him into the to the system. It's like, bro, you're just

591
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:14.960
not a manager. I need a
real manager. We're making millions of dollars,

592
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:19.199
but then he's his manager. Seemed
like he sucked too, the real

593
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:21.440
one. Yeah, that guy was
a sleez ball. That guy just seemed

594
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:24.840
like he literally dialed one eight hundred
LA manager he got that on the phone.

595
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:30.800
I thought he was just like like
a serious PR guy who's dealt with

596
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:35.719
a lot of actual shit. Yeah, he's dealt with Britney Spears tits know,

597
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:37.239
like he dealt with just trash.
Yeah. I don't know if he

598
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:42.159
was like he seemed like he's like
literally ambulance chaser agent. Yeah. It

599
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:45.079
literally I didn't feel that way about
him at all. I felt I actually

600
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:47.679
like kind of felt for the guy, like for the for the trying to

601
00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:52.239
keep him on a leash for sure. Yeah, I felt like he was

602
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:58.679
like the the stereotyped manager. Yeah, when you imagine a l he still

603
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:00.280
has a guy. He still has
a flip phone in Okay, he's still

604
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:02.679
on a bluetoo Yeah, and a
corvette. He draws a red corvette.

605
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:07.800
Yeah. Uh definitely lost a lot
of weight. Who they showed like when

606
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:10.400
you're sitting at the table with Johnny, like during the draft. Yeah,

607
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:14.320
he was like really heavy, and
then the interviews he was like all sucked

608
00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:17.239
up because he got rich. Yeah, yeah for sure. Uh No,

609
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:21.880
Johnny did not lose his heisman.
The person who lost their heisman was just

610
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:24.599
Redgie Bush and Menzelle thinks he should
get it back, which everyone thinks everybody.

611
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:27.800
I don't know. I've never heard
or had a confers with anybody that

612
00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:30.199
thinks that he should have not have
it. Yeah, he didn't even tell

613
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:32.119
anything. He even took that much
money. No, we're in the hundreds

614
00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:37.880
of thousands, not the trillions.
Yeah, fucking Johnny was making a night

615
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:42.360
Yeah, thirty kiss sitting. Yeah. Also, like, how are you

616
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:46.639
going to tell somebody that they cannot
draw on a piece of leather and sell

617
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:51.239
it and sell it? Yeah,
that's wild. What's sell it? Okay,

618
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:54.079
what's not even selling it? What
if? What if Johnny didn't draw

619
00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:59.000
his name and he's drawing a stick
figure, then he can sell it because

620
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:01.800
he's an artist. Oh that's a
good question because it's not related to his

621
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:06.400
likeness, it's not related to football. Right, If he's drawn a dog

622
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:09.119
on that football as art and an
art dealer wants to buy it, at

623
00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:12.000
that time in the n C two. Ay, he might have been able

624
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:15.519
to sell it. Yeah, there, maybe there's some fine line there.

625
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:19.039
I mean they probably say because you
did it, yeah, maybe you can't

626
00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:22.599
make any money. You cannot draw
ink on leather because I think, yeah,

627
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:25.559
maybe they'll really break it down the
football particulars. Yeah, the football

628
00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:28.440
might have been an issue, but
if it was on paper, I bet

629
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:30.119
you might not have been because a
lot of it has to do with your

630
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:35.000
likeliness and making money from the sport. Yeah, that makes you ineligible to

631
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:37.320
play the sport, which I do
understand that, right, But it's just

632
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:42.599
like you said, like putting ink
on something, it's wild. It's like

633
00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:45.880
it's also you're you're you're like you're
a person, like fuck your rules,

634
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:47.920
that's not my mindset. And it's
like I don't what, No, Yeah,

635
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:52.239
yeah, I agree with you.
I get that. Actually, just

636
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:53.679
you know, looking about whether or
not he got to keep his heisman,

637
00:39:54.760 --> 00:40:00.039
found this article where he says that
if it hadn't in for a fake ID

638
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:05.159
and tequila, he probably wouldn't have
won the heisman. And I didn't I

639
00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:07.320
don't think I saw this exactly in
the in the show. Maybe you guys

640
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:12.880
did. He was arrested in June
or twenty twelve, had gotten into a

641
00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:17.920
fight and he gave them a fake
ID that and showed the police the driver's

642
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:22.719
license that had a nineteen ninety birthday, whereas his birthday is in ninety two.

643
00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:28.360
They showed him buying they talking about
him buying the ID printer on online

644
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:31.760
he was making an ID. Later
pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charge in twenty thirteen,

645
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:37.239
but Texas d A and M initially
suspended him for all of twenty twelve.

646
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:43.639
But his coach wrote a letter on
his behalf and he ends up winning.

647
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:46.679
Fake idea. A couple of Irish
car bombs and patron don't really mix,

648
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:51.079
he said. But there's the story
of like his most hungover moment ever,

649
00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:52.679
right, and then he goes crazy
in the game, Yeah against Bama.

650
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.639
Yeah, but people say that about
fucking Jordan too, you know,

651
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:59.840
they say the FLU game, he
was just hungover. Yeah yeah, yeah,

652
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:02.480
Bill space Manly, who who pitched
I think a perfect game or no

653
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:07.480
hit or what on LSD. Yeah, yeah, craziness. I think that

654
00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:12.000
part doesn't surprise me too much because
it's so early in his career, Like

655
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.599
he's not going to do that if
he had, if he had a tenure

656
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:21.800
uh NFL career, he's not doing
that in year eight or year seven or

657
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:24.760
you're five. Probably Daily, John
Daly is he also is not winning.

658
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:29.480
John is also not winning no way, But you're in the conversation. Yeah,

659
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:31.800
he was a really good young talent. If John kind of a man's

660
00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:35.280
el but he actually like stuck in
the sport. Yeah, maybe he likes

661
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.239
golf more than Johnny. If Johnny
goes eight and eight with the Browns hung

662
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:43.440
over as fuck, that's kind of
John Daily, Yeah, right, Like

663
00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:47.280
he didn't win in the NFL.
Yeah, I think I think that Manzel

664
00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:52.719
would have failed in the NFL no
matter what, even if he was like

665
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:57.280
the strictest potentially, he just didn't
have the raw talent. Like as for

666
00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:00.880
NFL, I think he's kind of
like he's built for the college He was

667
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:05.360
built for college game. Because the
guy you're the all star on the team

668
00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:08.039
you're playing against, right, is
just a regular guy in the NFL.

669
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:12.719
That's what I said. The SEC
is it's just minor league NFL. Yeah,

670
00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:16.880
Johnny could have had an NFL career
if he went one hundred and ten

671
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:21.760
percent by the book. Maybe No, I think so, because he's a

672
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:23.599
smart kid, you know, to
get as far as he did with no

673
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:29.800
film, no practice, no weight
room, because I know guys that were

674
00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:31.559
NBA All Stars that literally didn't show
up. The practice is not the same

675
00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:35.599
thing. And agree, I agree. The talent maybe wasn't there. So

676
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:39.880
he basically is an improv specialist for
sure, and he could he could read

677
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:44.800
the field and he could improv right, which which is an NFL talent you

678
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:47.360
need. I don't think he would
have been Aaron Rodgers, but I think

679
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:51.199
he could have had a career.
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

680
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:54.599
Man, Like look at Tim Tebow. Yeah, he was like strict focus

681
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:59.960
for sure. This and that better
more talented Rob for sure, I think

682
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:01.840
better. I think he had better
talent. He kind of similar game style.

683
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:06.880
Yeah, didn't fucking pan out in
the NFL at all. Yeah,

684
00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:09.159
but in the opposites happened though,
right where you have a whatever NBA career,

685
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:13.159
I mean, it wasn't very college
career. Yeah, for sure,

686
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:15.800
you don't have to be tall.
That's true for the quarterback. I'd look

687
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:20.239
at Breeze, but like also Breeze
kind of that's a whole other conversation with

688
00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:22.079
Breeze, like he also had really
good teams, really good players. Yeah,

689
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:24.519
all that matters. Yeah, who
wasn't on the Browns? Who your

690
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:29.920
coaches? Matters so much? Yeah, especially in the quarterback position. But

691
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:31.440
he starts out the aligned to be
a good NFL player, and besides just

692
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:36.199
being a gonna good quarterback, I
mean even Aaron Rodgers thing not to Well,

693
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:37.760
we'll wrap this up, but we're
talking about hard knocks a little bit,

694
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:39.880
and I'll watched the first episode.
You know, like Aaron Rodgers goes

695
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:45.039
to the Jets because it's his offensive
coordinator. Yeah, if Aaron Rodgers doesn't

696
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:47.320
have his offensive coordinator, he might
not be Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, yeah,

697
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:51.039
that's a that's a fair point.
And then you see that time and

698
00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:53.360
time again the Kings. The Kings
had the same talent this year as they

699
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:57.360
did a couple of years before until
Mike Brown shows up. Who was championship

700
00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:00.679
background? Speaking of Mike Brown,
you got I was out eating in Rockland.

701
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:04.920
Yeah, a really nice restaurant.
Uh as far as like it was

702
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:07.559
really tasty, really good, reasonably
priced too. But I guess he shows

703
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:09.679
up with this family while I'm sitting
in the waiting to get seated. It's

704
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:13.440
probably a granted Bay boy, Mike
Mike Brown. Yeah, did he he

705
00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:15.800
has kids? Yeah, he has
two kids. I bet you he's out

706
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:16.800
there for school. I bet you
his kids go to Granda Bay. Yeah,

707
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:19.679
he's how did his vans on?
Yeah? You know, he whears

708
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.079
those vans on the on the courtside. He had him had his vans on.

709
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:24.519
Man, he seems cool. And
obviously I'm a little biased because he

710
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:29.119
brought Cleveland a championship and ship.
But I think he's cool. I think

711
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:31.320
we're here big guy. I mean
he looks big on TV, but the

712
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:35.719
person you're like three six four oh
yea at least six five maybe six six

713
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:38.719
five. Big guy. He walked
in and I'm like, oh the fuck,

714
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:40.920
Oh shits my brand. I got
one of his cards at home.

715
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:45.320
I just realized that. Yeah,
I think in the name of the restaurant,

716
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:47.400
you guys might have maybe been anyway, it's really good. It's highly

717
00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:51.880
suggested. I'll find the name of
it after it. But yeah, in

718
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:53.519
Rockland, it's like in the area
of Rockland, like we're all the house

719
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:55.880
on the hill or like you out
of view, like those houses that's definitely

720
00:44:55.920 --> 00:45:01.800
where he lives. Straight up there. Rockland's low key, like uh rich

721
00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:07.079
rich Hue. There's a couple of
neighborhood where it was like looked like mega

722
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:09.840
castles. That's our last kind of
era. Eddie Murphy was out there for

723
00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:13.239
a long time. Yeah. I
think there was this one gated community we

724
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:15.000
drove by and I'm like, oh, I think like a lot of it.

725
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:16.599
And the King's guys live in that
neighborhood. Yeah, yeah, I

726
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:20.559
think some live in the hotel,
all the penthouses and then uh yeah,

727
00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:22.920
where else would you go? Eddie
Murphy was in Grand Bay next one.

728
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:28.079
I saw Eddie Burfey's house while he
was there. Yeah, that's doctor that

729
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:32.639
helped Jake out with his headaches by
doing you know, off the off the

730
00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:39.320
I don't want to say this like
low key, down low whatever, off

731
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:45.559
the books, off the books.
Thank you botox injections like before it was

732
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:50.280
common. Yeah, granted Bay,
Rockland's all the same to me. Yeah,

733
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:52.199
you cross like it's like one way
or the other. You cross Folsom

734
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:57.480
Boulevard, Yeah you're there, Yeah, Rockland Rose, Yeah, Eldorado,

735
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:01.360
fucking folsome the Yeah, didn't Eddie
Murphy used to live off Grantline also though,

736
00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:05.440
and that one in house sets off
Grantline by Jackson. I forgot used

737
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:07.880
to own that house. I don't
have a big house that you can kind

738
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:09.800
of see a bunch of baby mamas
and houses in different places. Yeah,

739
00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:13.079
I don't know what brought him here. I don't know what brought because Tom

740
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:17.639
Hanks isn't from here. Uh kind
of he's from like Larry David has a

741
00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:21.239
house around here too. That's so
weird. I did not know that.

742
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:24.360
No, Tom Hanks, Like,
what does that state? Oh maybe that's

743
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:28.360
it because this the actor's son.
Yeah, grew up next to me and

744
00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:31.079
went to Country Day. Oh yeah
Colin, Yeah, Colin went the Country

745
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:35.400
Day, which is crazy. Webber. Yeah we every went to the Country

746
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:37.920
Day, right, Chris, Yeah, I don't know, Yeah you did,

747
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:38.920
Chris Webber. I didn't know that. Yeah, Chris Reber, I

748
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:40.840
have his jersey. I have his
we have the way I have a reb.

749
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:45.199
Well different, it might be a
different Country Day days, like yeah,

750
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:49.519
yeah, like a franchise, Yeah
might okay, but Country Day.

751
00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:52.800
Our Country Day does have random talent. They're they're head coach Dave. They

752
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:55.960
called him the European Jordan because he
kind of looked like Jordan. Uh.

753
00:46:57.079 --> 00:47:00.679
He's probably six five and he did
he shipped on people inp But he has

754
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:05.000
all these NBA connects because we used
to have like open gym there and it

755
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:08.280
was after the Storyokovich stuff. It
was like Garcia and some of those guys

756
00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:13.239
would roll through the Bobby Jackson's and
then they have they have a kids shout

757
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:15.719
of the Robbie. But she's still
out here. Yeah, his son just

758
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:20.719
graduate from Jesuit. His his daughters
play volleyball and Christen that works when she

759
00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:23.079
has a volleyball club and she sees
m games every weekend. Yeah. Yes,

760
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:28.400
his son was just top top twenty
recruit in the entire high school.

761
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:31.159
Uh. But they all grew up
kind of. I was on the bad

762
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:34.360
side of the road and then you
crossed the road and then you're on the

763
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:37.159
river side, and that's where Vladi
was Vich grew up. Webber had a

764
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:42.840
house out there. If a lot
of these kids went to the same pediatric

765
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:45.360
dentist, say, yeah, yeah, all those people routed and they're still

766
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:51.360
around. Obviously he was doing some
general managing stuff here. It's also kind

767
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:53.079
of probably a good place to live
out and those like up in the hills

768
00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:57.199
there, like you're kind of like
I go to Eldo. Yeah, it

769
00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:00.119
is weird because Carmichael like that area
that they all live in her the Country

770
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:01.800
area. Yeah, you go like
one road, it's really nice and then

771
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:05.840
you go three more and you're Hurley. You know where mac Dre shot a

772
00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:08.239
music video. Yeah, it's kind
of weird, but a lot of them

773
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:10.519
are still there. Yeah, I
didn't know that. Yeah, Robbie was

774
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:14.760
a kid that went to Country Day
also now he's player development for the Kings.

775
00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:16.320
He did a walk on, played
at Stanford. He's a stud.

776
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:19.920
I played against him but he was
like three years younger and then I coached

777
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:22.719
against him. Really good kid.
I think he's player development there. So

778
00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:27.039
it kind of makes sense that Country
Day area has got some sauce. Yeah,

779
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:29.840
a lot of talent around here for
a lot of different sports. Interesting,

780
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:32.719
Yeah, for sure. So it's
before we close this one off,

781
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:37.360
what do you where do you think
Menzel's money is coming from now? Appearances?

782
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:40.559
Yeah, he'll still do clubs and
get twenty k. Yeah, he's

783
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:45.480
doing he's I think he does like
does he does he DJ? I don't

784
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:47.079
know he probably. Yeah, I
think he's djaying and then he's probably got

785
00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:52.440
some fucking liquor sponsorships and ship you
know, you go to one tequila event,

786
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:54.159
make fifty k, you do three
of those a year and now years.

787
00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:57.920
But I think he hit his burn
rate on the money that he was

788
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:00.079
getting from the probably pretty crazy.
Probably, Oh he said he burned,

789
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:04.800
didn't say like a million dollar bender. Yeah, he was trying to spend

790
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:07.159
it all and then die. Yeah, he bought a gun. He was

791
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:09.320
gonna shoot himself. Yeah, like
that was heavy. Yeah, yeah,

792
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:13.920
that was like fuck, that was
a little bit of a turn. I

793
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:17.320
think that that And this is this
is me being judgmental. If you've been

794
00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:21.920
to rehab a couple of times,
there's a really good chance you probably can't

795
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:24.519
drink or do drugs anymore. Yeah, yeah, it's not gonna be safe.

796
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:30.599
And we definitely saw him drinking drinking, and I think house, Yeah

797
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:32.679
it wasn't he doing bong rips too? Yeah, yeah, you hear about

798
00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:35.360
that a lot or I see a
lot of people talk about that, like,

799
00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:37.599
oh, yeah, I'm totally sober. I just like smoke pot,

800
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:39.920
and not that I think pot's bad, but like you can be like,

801
00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:43.039
yeah, you can't be like totally
sober and be like, oh, I

802
00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:46.760
only do light beers. Yeah,
Like well enough light beers or not altering

803
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:51.079
your mental state, whether you think
it's like yeah, and and and and

804
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:53.480
I'm pretty lucky I don't have like
that addictive of a personality. But like,

805
00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:57.679
I'd imagine that you ripped that bong, Well you also did coke.

806
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:00.360
Well you also did a you know, shot, So what makes you think

807
00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:04.960
that order is not going to happen
again when you're so inebriated exactly, Like

808
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:07.960
it just seems it all goes together. These are mixing weed and alcohol together

809
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:09.760
and you're bound to do something else. I probably couldn't kind of the gateway,

810
00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:14.639
yeah, stigma or whatever. I
probably couldn't lift like I lift and

811
00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:17.119
totally cut caffeine for the rest of
my life because they just go. It's

812
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:22.480
the order of processes in my brain
to what I do, and luckily enough,

813
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:24.840
they're just not as detrimental. Yeah
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

814
00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:28.679
that was a Yeah. I saw
he was actually in a Bob does

815
00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:30.000
sports video, Like, yeah,
he probably does a bunch of shit like

816
00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:32.280
that. Yeah he is, Yeah, they're he's in Arizona. Yeah,

817
00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:37.239
and in big YouTube channels at least, you know in my day, Uh,

818
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:38.440
they'd pay you a little something,
you know, you do a collab

819
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:40.880
like that. They they're making so
much money, they might throw in some

820
00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:44.679
cash, yeah, you know,
just like travel stuff. And he's like

821
00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:50.679
smoking cigarettes on like the first hole. Yeah it was early drinking already.

822
00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:53.239
Yeah, a couple of bloody cocktail. Yeah, it's just like this is

823
00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:57.800
that's just an alcoholic, which is
yeah, yeah for sure, for sure.

824
00:50:57.880 --> 00:51:02.079
So like there's like some people can
be alcoholics their whole lives until they

825
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:06.880
until they die of curosis or they
just die of something else, cancer or

826
00:51:06.920 --> 00:51:09.119
whatever. We make a couple of
wrong decisions with your wife or something yea,

827
00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:14.840
or or they you know, they
crack up a car. They you

828
00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:19.599
know, hello some so many times
people who are driving drunk, who have

829
00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:22.960
car accidents survive and they kill everybody
else. Yeah, because their body is

830
00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:28.239
just like they don't dolls. Yeah, all right, So let's rate this

831
00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:35.320
mother on Heisman's Yeah, on shots. I was gonna say long rips,

832
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:40.599
Scooby Doo costumes. I don't remember
that, but those pictures look yeah,

833
00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:44.000
there was like an I don't remember
it, like in real time. Yeah,

834
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:45.719
I don't either, but I didn't
remember it either, But it was

835
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:49.320
because I followed at all pretty good. It became a thing. Yeah.

836
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:53.039
Because of that, he showed up
somewhere in a Scooby Doo cup. I

837
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:55.800
think that probably softened his image a
little bit bit too. It was like

838
00:51:55.840 --> 00:52:00.360
a frat party or something something.
He was getting excorted out of frat parties,

839
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:02.400
yeah, because he was like not
supposed to be there and people taking

840
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:07.159
pictures with him, right, and
social media was like a thing. But

841
00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:10.440
like how big was it? What
was his big run? Twenty thirteen?

842
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:13.920
So like what Instagram came out like
twenty ten? Yeah, so it wasn't

843
00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:16.559
really like that big. Yeah,
I think it was Twitter time and early

844
00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:21.760
Instagram time, probably still Facebook and
Facebook probably who for all we know,

845
00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:23.639
just added sharing or something, you
know. Yeah, like there's some recipe

846
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:27.559
in there that made this all go. It could have been even worse for

847
00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:30.800
sure nowadays. That's what I'm saying. If some of these old school cats,

848
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:32.840
I mean, that's why people got
to tip their hat to Lebron and

849
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:37.639
stuff and Steph. Like the life
they live with so much scrutiny and social

850
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:40.559
media and they haven't like like if
they did something crazy, we would know.

851
00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:45.239
Yeah, you know, if they
did something fucking crazy, would know.

852
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:47.760
They seemed to kind of have their
ship together. Yeah, all right,

853
00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:51.360
Scooby Doos, especially Steph. Lebron
is just kind of like, I

854
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:52.440
don't believe a word that comes out
of that guy's mouth. Yeah. No,

855
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:55.000
he's definitely, know what I mean, He's definitely an industry plant,

856
00:52:55.039 --> 00:52:58.519
but he's just like he's you can't
trust He's like the Rock. You just

857
00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:00.360
can't trust anything they say no because
they're so big. Yeah, he's an

858
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:02.880
industry plant, But I don't think
he's like you know, I think he's

859
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:06.360
an evil person. I don't think
he's I don't think he's like hurting people

860
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:08.719
or like he's like like hurting himself
kids or anything like that. It's just

861
00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:13.880
like you just when someone's that massive, like the literally like the most famous

862
00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:15.519
person in the world, you just
can't trust anything they say. I agreed,

863
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:17.960
because they have to either protect an
image or but he is better than

864
00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:22.159
The Rock. The Rock's the worst. I don't know Lebron's up there with

865
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:25.199
the Rock. I don't know.
I don't like to think otherwise the Rock.

866
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:29.440
I just you know how many costumes
you give it. I'm gonna give

867
00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:31.920
it a three and a half,
three and a half costumes also right there,

868
00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:35.960
also with like a three three three
and a half, three eight scoobies.

869
00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:38.519
Yeah, it's definitely good if you
like football at all, even if

870
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:42.199
you don't like football. It wasn't
even that football centric. He just kind

871
00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:45.840
of like, you know, it's
kind of TMZ. You know he can

872
00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:49.320
maybe he hit that era. Maybe
TMZ was the ship there, you know,

873
00:53:49.400 --> 00:53:52.039
in that era, Like I feel
like that was the Kardashian started being

874
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:54.639
crazy rather than just a rich family, and maybe that's what kind of made

875
00:53:54.679 --> 00:54:00.760
him pop off. Yeah, I'm
in there rerange and not because it isn't

876
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:05.400
well made. It just seemed incomplete. Yeah, yeah to me, but

877
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:07.400
it seemed like it seemed like it
was like five to ten years too early.

878
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:10.599
Maybe they tried to cover like the
football and the personal. Yeah,

879
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:14.559
but there's almost enough of both.
But yeah, the story isn't resolved.

880
00:54:14.599 --> 00:54:16.519
There's no end. Yeah, and
you know he's still drinking, so like,

881
00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:21.159
is the next thing you're here going
to be you know, that he

882
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:23.480
dies or that he kills somebody,
or he goes sober and turns into a

883
00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:27.119
priest or something. Something's got to
happen. Yeah, yeah, he just

884
00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:30.920
can't be living in that house in
Scottsdale with his five friends forever. Yeah.

885
00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:35.239
I don't know. Actually, the
other thing that seems like it's missing

886
00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:37.400
to me, and maybe I'm totally
wrong about this, but like, where

887
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:42.559
were the girls? I think he's
got a girlfriend? Yeah he did.

888
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:45.920
I think he did the whole time. Yeah, maybe maybe she didn't want

889
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:46.920
to be interviewed. I think she
might have been a college girl. I

890
00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:50.039
might be wrong. It might have
been like, uh, you had that

891
00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:52.599
one blonde girlfriend, or maybe he
was a brunette. Maybe he was even

892
00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:55.239
engaged. I just have a hard
time believing that a guy with that much

893
00:54:55.280 --> 00:55:01.239
money and that much cloud isn't fucking
everything he was And did he have like

894
00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:05.280
an abortion fund that his buddy was
running or like what I mean, what

895
00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:07.639
I wonder is if it didn't tap
into the celebrityhood because he was hanging out

896
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:13.320
with you know, the Paris Hilton
types. Yeah, he's definitely having wild,

897
00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:17.280
crazy sex. French toast texts.
Yeah, yeah, French toast,

898
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:23.599
you can fuck sticky, lots of
powder sugar, Yeah, booger sugar,

899
00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:28.079
booger, lots of booger sugar.
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900
00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:30.320
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