Untold: Swamp Kings | A 50% Facts review

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This one did not need to be
for ups. No, I don't think

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so either. Actually, just a
way to kick it off. We're talking

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about untold swamp kings, about Florida
State gators during the Urban Meyer era.

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Might as well be a water Boy
documentary. Yeah, very tibo. No,

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just like the water Boy is all
made of like fucking southern football stereotypes.

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Yeah, yeah, it's about Florida, sec or Alabama or Louisiana.

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It's somewhere right yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. The the whole Tim Tebow thing,

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man, they didn't even really I
mean, they didn't even really mentioned

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Cam Newton. No, but they
just mentioned playing him like LSU. But

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then he was he was the quarterbacks
Florida right then? He can no,

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Kim was LSU and then went to
Auburn. I think he backed up at

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LSU and then got a big rise
at Auburn. Who was the quarterback then

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when with the laptop scandal? Oh, that was the quarterback of Florida.

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That's how Tim got the job because
like someone stole a laptop. Was it

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that it wasn't the Leaf kid that
they kept going back and forth with.

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I don't know, because because they
showed Leaf moving on I don't know.

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I don't think that's a good question. After after two thousand seven maybe yeah,

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actually thousand and six, after the
first championship. I don't know why.

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I mean, obviously, I'm a
Buckeyes fan, so I was never

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a Florida fan, never dove into
the stuff. But this is when I

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did watch a lot of football.
I do know. To start a rite

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off and talk shit, one,
this movie I think is so football oriented,

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Like there's so much football, and
like, obviously it's about a football

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team, but like they also had
like I think they had four convicted like

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murderers on that team. Yeah,
well I was Aaron Rodgers team. I

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mean, I'm excusing Aaron Hernandez.
Aaron Hernandez didn't even mention him, no,

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and a little bit episode three there
is a little bit about him,

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nothing like yeah in the background,
nothing about what he what he did he

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want to sa. I didn't see
episode four all the way through, so

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I don't know. And the player
that got killed on that team, that

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people think that he's the one who
killed him. Yeah, even if he

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didn't. If you don't want to
dive into the negative because you only want

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a positive movie, I understand that
right, because it is your you know,

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creative choice. But Aaron Hernandez like
won a Super Bowl, Like talk

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about him as an athlete at least? Yeah, like what like he was

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one of the greatest tight ends.
Like yeah, you know, so like

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a big part of the reason why
they want right, both both the Pats

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and the Gators. So like we're
just gonna ignore that he existed. That

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makes it weirder. Yeah, forty
one arrests on that team, yeah,

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or him on that team? Yeah? How do they not like and I

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get you want to do the positive
spin, not the negative. Yeah,

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but like that team was crazy.
Yeah. But also the title alludes to

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like almost like I know that the
stadium is called the SWA you think,

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like it makes it seem like they're
going to talk about like this gem of

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degenerates. Well they don't all led
by like the perfect Christian boy. Yes,

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that's what like the story should have
been. That's the good documents the

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story because you have you have Jesus
Christ re incarnate who's never seen titties.

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Yeah, and then you have a
bunch of murderers following his lead, yes,

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and then Urban Meyers somewhere in between
that who's manic and yeah, I

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kind of likes awesome. He's a
winner until he wasn't, until he wasn't

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and then he really wasn't. Where
is he now, Well, he went

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to the pros. He went to
the pros. He was in Ohio for

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a long time and one after that
too. He won one super He won

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one more championship in like two thousand
and ten, eleven or ten, Yeah,

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he earlier or the twenty tens.
He was in Ohiwo for a while.

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And that's some success. I mean
winning a national again. You watch

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all these documentaries and you're like,
oh, like that's all there is.

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But like, winning a national championships
fucking hard. You could say it's harder

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than winning NFL Super Bowl, arguably
because there's like three hundred thousand teams,

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you know, like there's so many
teams and so many kids and so much

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recruiting and so many factors that go
involved in winning a D one championship that

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like, yeah, you could easily
argue it's harder. And the sliminess that's

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going on behind the scenes. They
probably don't want to talk about that,

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but I'm sure that's going on in
the Gators to everyone's paying somebody doing something

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well. Meyer even talked about in
that what was the last episode? He

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was talking about how like literally the
second thing got in the locker room after

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their last win, their last title, he was in his office like the

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door locked, like texting recruits.
Yeah about like, hey man, look

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what we did all He's like,
he's like instantly didn't care. Only was

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worried about the next sat the next
season because it matters too, because if

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you don't do that, they're gonna
go get recruited somewhere else, right,

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and then you lose. It really
shows though, I mean what happened with

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him after the H nine season when
he just basically retreated to his bedroom and

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didn't didn't come out, and then
retired or you know, quit stepped down

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and then changed his mind a few
weeks later, came back for a disappointing,

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disappointing twenty ten season, then went
on to Ohio State. For a

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lot of these guys, but in
particular him, It really to me shows

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the downside of running on adrenaline all
the time, because because if things start

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to run against you, you start
losing that adrenaline and you can't sustain anymore.

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And you know, I mean it
showed in in games they lost,

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It showed in what happened with him. You know, they just basically crumbled

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into himself for a while. Yeah, I don't know how else you are

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at the highest level though, you
know, I don't know. I don't

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think you can do that with balance. I don't know if you can do

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that with neutrality. Like there.
I just don't think it's sustainable. I

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don't think it's sustainable, but I
don't either way. But no, but

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I don't, Yeah, exactly,
I don't think it's sustainable either way.

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And I don't even think you get
there doing it passively. I don't think

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that you can't if you have to
be a psycho. But I think,

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yeah, but I think it mean
you have to be a psycho. But

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like I think to continue being able
to do it, you have to have

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kind of a reserve of of calm
of something, right, I just you

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know, well, I think they're
alcoholics or gamblers. Yeah, that's like

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their escapism because I don't think there's
been a coach that's done it forever.

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I mean, Popovich would probably be
the best guy to dive into an NBA,

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right, Like he's not like thirty
years, which is kind of crazy.

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I don't know when it comes to
like the NBA though, dude,

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there's so many people involved, it's
like way more delegating. And I don't

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know. I still think you're on
the pressure though, because you're because you're

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the one ESPN's yelling out about losing. They're not talking about your assistant coach,

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you know, and they're not talking
about the player. Like, I

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just don't know anyone. Urban Myers
a pretty good example. He did about

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twenty years of success, you know, yeah, of like being the guy

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I don't know a lot of people
that do it for like over ten years.

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Lebron obviously, like anywhere at this
highest most pressureized. I mean even

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he Boat was talking about like he
played three downs as a freshman and he's

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like, you don't know the pressure, Like shut a bitch, fucking you

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gain one yard. Shut the hell
up. You got like an all star

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quarterback in front of you. Like
that guy's taking the load right now.

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Yeah, Like, I just don't
know, And there is pressure on T

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ball obviously, but like to be
the guy like Urban, yeah, I

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think you have to be psycho.
And then I think that's why you're all

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gambling in alcoholics and apparently hold on
me. So he's already getting addicted to

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ambium. I don't know about him
in particular, but I just mean like

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at that level. Yeah, you
know, like they all they all have

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to have an out because they can't
like just shut down otherwise they're just gonna

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be on their phone recruiting people all
day. Yeah, we should doe that.

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Meyer went on to as head coach
of the Jacksonville Jaguars and that did

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not work out. Now that was
one season and then they literally fired him

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after that season. Yeah, did
not work out, but he went on

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to do commentary on TV. I
think he still does. I don't know,

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I really I have to look at
that a second member. But apparently

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he also likes to chat up college
girls. Yeah, yeah that that.

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That Jacksonville team that he had was
god awful team and no one was going

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to help that team. That's the
main difference between like NBA or college and

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the NFL's like, if you're the
head coach and you get a little momentum

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in college, you're recruiting goes way
up. Like NFL's a lot of dollars

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and it's a lot of politics,
Like it's what's you're dealt more where you

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can kind of manipulate your own wild
card in college a little bit, you

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know, if it's recruiting, yeah, whatever, yeah, and other other

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things by whatever means kind of yeah, sometimes money, sometimes illegal stuff,

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but even legally you can, you
know, because like if you're the guy,

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you can find a network, you
can get a sponsorship like that stuff

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matters, Like say Florida did suck, but Urban came in and they were

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okay when he came in. But
yeah he gets like a Jordan Cleat deal.

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Your recruiting goes up, right,
he gets like a Gatorade deal.

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All right, You're recruiting goes up. Like there's other factors where like at

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the pro level, they want a
big check or they want to win a

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Super Bowl and anything in between,
or they want to play where they grew

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up, Like there's there it's way
harder to like quote unquote recruiters sign people.

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Or they want to go someplaces where
it's where there's gonna have a whole

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town behind them in AE hundred thousand
people every game and and just experienced that

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adulation. There was there was a
fair amount of talk about that in Florida,

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Yeah, in the in this stock
Yeah, I mean college football,

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bro, that's like the dream I
wish I would have played. I wish

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I cared. I mean I do, but I don't, Like I don't

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follow follow college football. I never
really have. It's the follow it h

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not super intensely. If I like
was like an alumni somewhere, I'd probably

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follow it more. Well, that's
like the purity of it now that I

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do, Like like like your you
bleed your school, yeah, you know,

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and like everyone goes for years something
you you especially part Yeah if you're

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like born in those cities, you
know, Like I only got a taste

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of it because my dad's from Ohio
and so everyone's a Buckeye fan. Like

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it just works. And and the
amount of Flaps probably said this on this

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podcast too. Like if you drive
around Sacramento, you see like an American

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flag nothing nothing, nothing nothing,
maybe King's flag nothing nothing nothing, maybe

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an American flag. You're driving around
Cleveland, Ohio, every house has a

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Brown's flag, a Buckeyes fan flag, and probably an American flag. Like

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every fucking house. Yeah, like
there's you're you're going to the grocery store

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and there's Buckeye's gear everywhere, Like, oh, I need a jacket for

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the game, You just go to
the grocery store, you go to CVS,

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you know, like you have to
go to the specialty King's store here

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to grab a jersey, you know, like you and I were talking about.

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I think offer, Yeah, back
in the day, sometimes our grocery

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stores might have like a little King
sticker or something, but they have a

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whole thing. They'd be like a
whole wall of Buckeye shit and then fucking

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beer next to it, like at
every grocery store. And so I think

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from a young age, you just
are so about out it. It gives

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it like a more community for sure, but just like, yeah, like

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a pride, a real pride in
what's going on where I think the West

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Coast because there's so many transplants and
people move in and so much space in

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between. It's just so different.
Yeah. There's so many damn teams too.

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Yeah that too. Yeah. I
mean you can be from San Francisco,

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you get eight teams to choose from. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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that's that's true. It's correct me
if I'm wrong. But they didn't talk

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about the fact that Spurrier was not
the coach immediately before ran Meyer. Spurrier

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left in two thousand and one for
the Redskins. I don't know. Yeah,

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I don't know the twins, so
I don't know who who was in

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the middle there. So I mean, they really made it sound like he

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was just following up Spurrier, and
so it made the games against the against

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the Gamecocks, Yeah, bigger deal, a little more drama. But yeah,

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probably just because of that. I
don't know. Yeah, I don't

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know if they alluded to that or
they were just talking about Yeah, he

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is obviously history with Florida. Yeah, I just think that maybe a little

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bit more than some of the other
ones, This one is really kind of

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cooking the books on the dramatic stuff
in the timeline. I actually thought it

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they didn't do as good of a
job. That's why I guess my opening

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statement of like it was so much
football. I feel like they didn't dig

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into like the humans as well as
other untolds did. Yeah. I think

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that's true too. It was more
about like the it was like a play

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by play. It was more of
like a yeah, like a history lesson

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on that era more than about like
the rise and fall of fucking all of

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it. Tebow, Urban, Hernandez, like that should have been for sure.

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The story is like Urban's maybe this
neutral character, and then you have

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Tebow over here fucking you know,
praying all day, and then you have

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fucking eight murderers following that should have
been like the triangle story and digging into

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how the personalities met up, meta
intertwined. But everything. At least I

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only watched like two and a half
episodes, but it literally felt like it.

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It felt like an end Fell documentary
because they were just showing like football

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strategy and talk about you know,
him doing a spread offense and when they

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used Tebow and how they scored and
how they recruited. It felt very where

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even every other untold felt so human. Yeah. Yeah, I think that

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part of it was that that obviously
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but they still covered a lot of
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little pieces of it and they're I
guess you're supposed to infer how it all

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fits together, like why it worked
and why it didn't, And they lean

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in on on Spikes and his level
of commitment. Yeah. Yeah, they

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did a little bit with the linebackers. Yeah, like emotionally, but even

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that it felt very surface level.
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mean they really glazed over the top
of the guys who got in trouble and

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they really only talked about the ones
that didn't get in much trouble. Yeah,

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they got in trouble, but not
much. And so like they were

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willing to talk on camera about being
afraid of of what the repercussions might be.

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about before in the whole and the
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and Meyer cut him loose in a
year or later he was dead. Yeah,

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yeah, and so that's why he
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who was staying with him? Who
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him. I was listening, not
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family connection at all. Dad was in

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jail ninety five percent of his life
to that point, and mom was whatever

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mom was doing, and so he
had nobody, had no birthday party ever,

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he had nobody just been Christmas with
or holidays or whatever. So he

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just kind of lived at you know, urban Meyer's house. This house looks

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like he's doing okay, still right
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I guess maybe from the filmmaker's point
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Netflix, I guess maybe there's too
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that one of those might be worth
it. Which side which one's good?

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They're just like very murder doc.
I just need something in between because I

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love sports, but I don't want
to watch a football game when I'm watching

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documentary. I'll just watch a football
game. And that's what this felt like.

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a lot of the Hernandez ones that

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I've just breezed through them, they're
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want that either, you know,
like how do We? And Untold?

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perfect mesh for me of sport and human

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like Given the Man'zelle one wasn't like
my favorite documentary ever, but like the

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balance of sport to human was good
and the storytelling was a little better to

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me. It's funny like most.
A lot of people wanted me to watch

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this one, just people like talking
about the Untolds. Was like, oh,

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you gotta see this one. And
I'm like, okay, okay,

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I's never got around and we watched
these other ones so we'd get to it.

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kind of driven to keep watching it, but it was my least favorite one.

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I think it's because I'm talking about

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like it felt so spread out.
It didn't feel like there was a like

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a key like the Manzell one,
at least you know what they're digging for.

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We're digging to find out what drives
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a drugs Okay. At the end
you find out Manzel doesn't even know,

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Like, at least there's this thing
with this. It's just like, well,

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let's talk about a good football team. Yeah. Yeah. I think

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that the very chronological structure of it
made it boring. I think that the

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kind of the best documentaries are the
ones can that can compare and contrast a

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couple points in time, yeah,
and give you a greater sense of what's

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going on inside the characters in these
moments the Manzel one bounced around. Yeah,

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that's one made it interesting. We
didn't cover the last dance here,

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did we know? The Last Dance
is so good? And obviously Jordan's stories

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insane and Jordan's insane, But like
how it's filmed, how it's shot is

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exactly what you're talking about. Like
per episode is kind of focused on a

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player and era, and then it
dances within the timeline, and they clearly

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show you it. They have a
cool animation to show you the timeline,

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but then it talks about like when
Rodman joined the NBA, then when Rodman

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joined the Bulls, but then the
next episode we'll talk about when Pippen joined

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the Bulls. So it jumps timelines. It focuses on an individual, but

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the overarching is like Jordan's relationship with
the Bulls and the individuals. Like it's

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just so well shot that they use
that. I think all the untolds used

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that timeline graphic sub version of it, but this one only went forward and

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never went backwards. In sharp contrast
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was all the time, but you
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on and like who he was.
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you can look at different aspects at
different times, like just his competitive history

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than what's happening personally through that history. And I didn't watch the whole thing.

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I think I'll watch the first episode
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I got a stronger sense of who
he was from that then I got on

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from any of these people. Does
Tim Tebow make you uncomfortable? Yeah,

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no, I've never been. Interviews
with him were just weird. Well,

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I think because that's his affect all
the time. Yeah, he's an odd

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guy. Yeah, but like he
has he has a lot of charisma on

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like on the he's because he was
a big analyst. Yeah now yeah,

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and he has charisma on there.
But like these interviews, you're just like,

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what is going on? It feels
very pr ready, you know,

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he's very like polished. Yeah,
and he's always given me a weird vibe.

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I've met people in my life that
are similar to that. And and

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you know, I was raised pretty
damn strict Catholic until I was eighteen.

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Like, I've been around a lot
of God people, but like how he

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moves is a little diffy, and
he is huge currently I mean he's like

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Jack, Yeah, he's Jack te
he hopped on a little sauce Jesus juice.

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only one who not the only one

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who talked about Jesus juice. Yeah
he uh yeah, he gives he's always

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giving me weird vibes. And but
I do agree he acts a little bit

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more Broye, a little more normal
on the TV shows. On the analysts,

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I think he's unless you decide he's
completely a trihard. I think that

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he seems more normal in the locker
room scenes, yeah, and the sideline

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scenes than he does in the interviews, either the interviews from back then or

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their interviews, the contemporary ones.
Either one on how many times are they

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going to show him talking about like
you know, there should have been another

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banner up there, Like they use
that scene in that line, like he

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said it like ten different times.
And I was like, okay, oh

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we get it, Yeah, we
get it, but you like you also

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lost right, like you don't know, you didn't deserve shit? Yeah,

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like there should not be another one
other because you guys got fucking man handled.

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What are you talking about? Well, And it looked like the two

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thousand and six season where they where
they won the whole fucking thing, they

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did it by the skin or their
teeth. There wasn't like a yeah,

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we didn't run away, it was
yeah, it was they acted like a

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politician does who wins by you know, two votes, and then they act

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like they have a mandate right there
and they're a rock star politician. It

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was the same thing with a whole
fucking team of guys who who won by

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the skin of their teeth go great
adulation from that, like, hey,

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it feels good to accomplish this,
especially against odds, and then you forget

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the against odds part and real and
think that you're just you know, you're

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gonna pot through everyone from this point
forward. Well, even the season before

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that, right, the five one
was when they were like winning barely every

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game, Right, they were winning
a by like two points. Yeah,

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that's they were talking about like being
dominant. Yeah about all this stuff.

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I'm like, wow, you are
get high on your own supply. And

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they went out the same way that
they went in though, like they went

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out like like that last season.
They weren't dominating anybody. Yeah. The

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only thing that made it more dramatic
was like urban Meyer talking about how they

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should have won more by more points, but they just weren't. Like maybe

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he was just more like confused on
who he actually had out there. It's

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like like, yeah, like you
want them to win by forty or whatever,

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shure, but like you didn't when
you do, wonder even like to

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draw it back, like Tebow's recruiting, like what does college tapes look like?

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Because he was it looked like he
was just the same size dude.

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So of course if you're seventeen and
you're six fucking three two twenty, you're

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gonna shit on high school kids.
Like of course, yeah, like that

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was me and eighth grade. I
was five eight bucks seventy. I was

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literally just a man amongst children in
eighth grade. But that doesn't last forever.

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The fact that Alabama is even the
number two ranked team, like in

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that last one that they lost Obama
and it's like, well, is that

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because of the hype behind the Gators
like those last couple of years. For

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sure it plays a role and organ
Meyer's return, Yeah, for sure.

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You know. It's like so it's
like that's why they switch right now they

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have a mini playoff because it was
so power ranking biased Yeah, the power

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rankings especially then, Yea, the
power rankings were like horseshite politics. BCS

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was garbage for a long time.
Yeah, it's just politics. And I

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mean that's where they got fucking smacked. Like it works if there's a playoff,

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right, because like even in college
basketball, they have power rankings,

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and if you're seven and eight,
it's not gonna make a big deal because

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you're all gonna end up in the
tourney and you're gonna figure it out then,

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like you're gonna have to play.
The preseason ranking for the Gators in

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OH seven after they won in OH
six was fifth, right, I think

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that's what I saw on the screen, And I mean, in some ways

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that's lower than you would expect.
I mean maybe there were some elements of

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the BCS ranking that were, you
know, kind of legitimate, but as

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you said this, it became so
much of a political thing. Who's paying

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to get the number one or number
top three preseason ranking. Well, now,

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the recruiting of high school kids in
the tape you have on high school

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kids both basketball and football, are
so much greater that the accuracy of preseason

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recruiting rankings is probably way better.
Probably so like in oh seven. I

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mean, I'm telling you, like
not, you're not getting recruited with tape

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like you did. There's no one's
taping their games like it wasn't a thing.

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But now if you don't have an
Instagram for your son's athletic career,

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you don't have a chance to get
recruited. So, like, whoever makes

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the BCS rankings has way more access
to know who always coming in, who's

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the incoming player and is he legit? Is you overrated? These kids are

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going into college getting recruited off of
like YouTube channels. Yeah, like yeah,

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yeah, you'll get a couple of
YouTube channel views and then you'll go

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to a big turney in Vegas,
Orlando, and then and then a recruiter

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will come watch you and make sure
you're legit and then yeah you're in.

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So like you've been vetted way harder. And same with whoever the analysts are,

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they they'll be able to do.
I mean a lot of those games

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are on like TV now, which
you know, we'll do another podcast on

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BS high, but like a lot
of it is on ESPN. Now that

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wasn't a thing. No, you
know, that wasn't a thing. There's

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maybe maybe like a Texas or California
state championship game on like your uh Bay

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area TV show or what you know
what I mean, but not on ESPN.

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Yeah, as soon as this documentary
started, like gotten through the first

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you know a couple, I was
like, Okay, this is not going

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in the direction I wanted this too, So maybe I was just being been

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finishing it out. But then the
way it ends, I thought was also

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just like them complaining about not winning
the championship that the last episode especially,

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it's like they're just complaining about not
winning. But like like the coaches complaining,

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the players are complaining. Was like, you guys just didn't play good.

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I wonder if the what are you
doing stretching this out like you don't

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nothing, You don't you don't deserve
anything. Yeah, and all things shouldn't

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just be given to you because you
think you deserved it. I wonder if

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a lot of the filmmakers were fucking
Gators fans. It felt like a game.

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It felt like it was made by
game. That's a good question.

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That's why it felt like it's like
for like, because the NFL made documentaries

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and shit, you've probably seen some
of those, but they like those are

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like kind of fan fictions and so
like yeah and so like it kind of

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felt like that because like Autumn Wind
is a raider, yeah yeah, and

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so which is cool and there's a
place for that in filmmaking for sure.

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But on this again, this untold
docuseries that we've been on it, they

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they've been shot so well and the
stories have been so good, this one

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just felt so football centric to me. It did tickle me anywhere. And

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I love football. I like football. I watch football in my whole damn

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life. They made it seem almost
like think they were like robbed of something.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, and
that was the big storyline. Yeah,

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but like you earned all this and
then yeah and then they're like,

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yeah, we just got it stolen
from us. And it's like, well,

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none of you coughed it up.
You just didn't win against Alabama stacked

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Alabama team. Who was their other
tight end? Didn't they have two tight

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ends that were crazy Aaron Hernandez oh
Man. That's position gets banged up pretty

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hard. So yeah, I think
that had another one. Yeah, that

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was that was not the story I
wanted from that group of characters. I

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mean, you talk about like the
most insane group of people on one team,

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like the stories I could have been
taught, they didn't talk about any

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of it. Yeah, the guy
who is was is the showrunner for for

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Untold for Netflix right now. It's
actually I went to schooled NYU. I

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don't think he was Actually I don't
think he has a Florida connection, but

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he has been responsible for being this
show, for show running some of the

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00:26:06.640 --> 00:26:11.319
ones that we actually liked. Girlfriend
who Didn't Exist, which was really good,

407
00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:15.200
and obviously the story is crazy,
but these stories are crazy too,

408
00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:17.680
and they just didn't do it.
Like even Percy Harvin. They had the

409
00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:21.640
talent and the characters like interview,
but they barely talked to him. He's

410
00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:26.039
like an amazing NFL quarterback or a
wide receiver. Yeah, I wish it

411
00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:30.559
would have touched on maybe also more
of like they very very quickly glanced over.

412
00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:33.599
And I know the story isn't about
Tim Tebow exclusively, but they just

413
00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:36.759
didn't talk about how his style of
play just doesn't transfer to the NFL,

414
00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:40.519
like the way he was doing it, Like he wasn't really a great quarterback.

415
00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:44.519
No, and Meyer tried to bring
him in at his first year or

416
00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:48.599
his only year at at Jacksonville and
like what do you and cut him?

417
00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:52.759
Cut him before the season started because
he just you know, I can't get

418
00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:56.400
her done. It's like, did
he really even have any good tricks or

419
00:26:56.440 --> 00:27:00.200
was it all just like a perfect
star a lot of because it's like,

420
00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:03.400
I don't know, there's not a
lot of not a lot of people can

421
00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:07.799
just go from playing the game in
college to playing the game in the NFL,

422
00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:11.319
so I mean remotely even on the
same spectrum of of talent, because

423
00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:15.880
like every single guy on an NFL
roster was the best guy in the nation

424
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:18.960
on that position, like at the
time at one point, and even the

425
00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:22.119
college in the NFL, even high
school to college. Yeah, like Tibo

426
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:25.200
was great, but that I mean
that's I saw it even on Twitter,

427
00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:27.039
and it's probably because this documentary came
out, but like who is Yeah,

428
00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:30.319
some of the greatest quarterbacks in college
history, and like a lot of people

429
00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:34.720
do put Cam Newton above Tebow,
and Cam did have a better NFL.

430
00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:38.680
Like if you're like really well rounded
in college, you'll have some success in

431
00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:42.400
the NFL. And Tibo just wasn't
very well rounded. So Cam Newton did

432
00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:49.319
play at Florida in seven maybe wrong, It wasn't lsc so he and then

433
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:55.480
laptop and then they kicked him off
the team and then Tebow got the job,

434
00:27:55.559 --> 00:27:57.480
right, I thought that's what happened
probably, and then Auburn was the

435
00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:02.480
money scandal he went through. That's
a huge story for this documentary. You

436
00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:06.759
would think it estually for Cam.
Yeah, Cam's like stardom and success.

437
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:08.480
There was all that drama about the
laptop. I remember, I should have

438
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:11.240
looked it up before we I'm trying
to do that right now. Just vamped

439
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:14.440
for me for a minute here.
Yeah, it was just like I remember

440
00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:15.880
there was okay, yeah, because
like they didn't even talk about that.

441
00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:19.079
How do you not talk about Cam
Newton and attached to this team? Well

442
00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:25.200
then it goes and plays for one
of your like rivals. Yeah, okay.

443
00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:27.920
So he was a member of the
FDA Gators in OH seven and O

444
00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:33.319
eight. As a freshman. In
O seven, he beat out fellow of

445
00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:38.759
freshman quarterback John Brantley as the backup
for Tim Tebow. Played five games,

446
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:44.480
passing forty yards five of ten and
rushing sixteen times for one hundred and three

447
00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:48.559
yards and three touchdowns and eight During
his sophomore season, Newton played in the

448
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:52.519
season opener against Hawaii, but It's
the sustained an ankle injury and took a

449
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:59.119
medical red shirt season in On November
twenty first, two thousand and eight,

450
00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:03.519
Newton was arrested on felony charges to
burglary, larsany and obstruction of justice on

451
00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:07.000
an accusation that he stole a laptop
computer from another University of Florida student.

452
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:11.640
He was subsequently suspended from the team. Campus police track the soul on lap

453
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:15.640
top to the athlete, Newton tossed
the computer out his dorm window in a

454
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:19.720
humorously ill advised attempt to hide it
from the cops. All charges against Newton

455
00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:25.519
were dropped, of course, after
he completed a court approved pre trial diversion

456
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:29.480
program. I believe that a person
should not be thought of as a bad

457
00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:33.480
person because of some senseless mistake they
made, said Newton in twenty ten.

458
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:36.799
I think every person should have a
second chance, and if they blow the

459
00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:41.079
second that second chance, that can
be it for them. Then he went

460
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:47.000
to all burn on a salary.
Yeah for sure. Essentially, yes for

461
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:49.920
sure, but yeah like that that
actually waited to Blind College in Texas and

462
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:53.720
then ultimately, how do they not
brief on that. Yeah, do not

463
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:56.720
touch on that. Yeah, that's
a really good question. I don't know.

464
00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:04.119
I mean, I mean maybe maybe
maybe this documentary is just about the

465
00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:11.000
play and and I mean it really
does sideline a lot of the personality stuff,

466
00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:15.000
yeah, which made all these good. But I don't know what the

467
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:18.039
goal is of the documentary then,
because there's tons of good college football franchises.

468
00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:21.759
Yeah, right, Like you could
go where's the Bama story? Yeah,

469
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:23.880
where's the Ohio State, Where's the
Michigan, Where's where's the USC,

470
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:26.799
where's the Reggie Bush? Like there's
there's so many like, oh, we

471
00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:30.519
just want to like show a good
team. There's tons of good teams.

472
00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:34.200
Well, I think part of it
is the fact that it's Florida and so

473
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:37.400
you know, you've got to there's
a certain built in audience people who want

474
00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:40.920
to watch it, and they don't
want to watch negative shit. So yeah,

475
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:44.440
but even we do want to watch
negative shit. We do. But

476
00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:48.160
even there, their fan base isn't
Like if I'm going just money, I'm

477
00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:51.440
probably not going there. Like for
who's going to watch a documentary on a

478
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:53.920
team? I'm probably going to Notre
Dame, probably going Ohio State, USC,

479
00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:56.599
like they have more fans. I
I don't think you can. You

480
00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:00.240
could go wrong doing it with Notre
Dame. I really sure. Yeah,

481
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:03.640
Its like even people either love or
hate, right, I mean there's there's

482
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:10.960
no there's no soft feelings one way
or the other about Notre Dame. Yeah.

483
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:14.160
I just don't really know where the
pick comes from because because all the

484
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:18.359
things that made that Florida team interesting
they didn't cover. Yes, yeah,

485
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:21.880
right, they just cover that's a
that's a whole synopsis of the nutshell,

486
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:25.400
because they might as well just do
it on Utah when urban Meyer was there.

487
00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:29.440
Yeah right, it could. It
would have been the same documentary taking

488
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:33.319
an okay team, making them pretty
good and then they got bad. Yeah,

489
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:37.519
and maybe this is a documentary that's
just about urban Meyer, but not

490
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:41.680
good Meyer in the in the Florida
years changed, yeah, changed the name,

491
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:45.240
but it was like football Urbanner.
It was like football urban Meyer because

492
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:48.440
then they didn't even really dive into
his military background. They like scope it.

493
00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:52.359
They didn't dive into like his spread
offense. They just kind of barely

494
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:55.359
touch it. They don't like dive
into what makes a little bit In the

495
00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:57.440
first episode, right, they talk
about like the extreme drills you would run,

496
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:00.240
you know, and then some of
the players would talk about some of

497
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:04.119
that. Yeah, it's like,
how can you play well when you've destroyed

498
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:07.960
yourself? I think you nailed it. They should have made this about him.

499
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:09.079
Yeah, I think that if they
had retitled it, I don't think

500
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:12.799
we would be so disappointed. I
think you're right, I think. But

501
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:15.079
even still, I think it would
have been two football for me because they

502
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:17.160
didn't like show, like we had
been definitely too long one way or the

503
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:22.119
other, like one episode or yes, I would have I would have been

504
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:28.480
way more understanding of the direction with
a one to two max episode urban Meyer

505
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:32.319
story and like his kind of liken
uh, you know, his kind of

506
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:37.599
difference technique and like his kind of
manic behavior and like that would have been

507
00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:38.599
interesting, like, oh, this
guy was a nut. This was I

508
00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:42.599
didn't realize he was at you know
or whatever. Yeah, I don't know.

509
00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:45.880
It didn't take them a pickle man. No, I wish it would

510
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:47.079
have was a bummer. Yeah,
yeah, I wish it would have because

511
00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:51.359
it's getting a bunch of love and
who knows because the ratings, the ratings

512
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:52.480
on Netflix are probably all lies,
right, Like, well, it's not

513
00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:55.559
as highly rated as you would think
on Netflix too, though, well it's

514
00:32:55.559 --> 00:32:59.960
just always in the trending category.
Yeah, it's a trending but they manipulate

515
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:00.720
I know. That's what I was
about saying. Yeah, I was about

516
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:04.720
to say, obviously their ratings are
not accurate, they're all just to give

517
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:06.680
us. But then why I even
put that up there if it's not that

518
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:07.920
good, because they're trying to get
to people to watch, so they're probably

519
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:10.920
getting people to clickbait on it,
thinking what they're going to get to Hernandez

520
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:15.160
story or whatever, Like I'm more
of a Tebow, I don't. I

521
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:17.319
don't know. Maybe I think a
lot of people know about the history of

522
00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:21.319
the team and who's on it,
Yeah, and I think they're expecting something

523
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:23.480
and they're not getting any of that. I literally think it's four murderers,

524
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:29.039
which is crazy to not even like
I think, yeah, four murderers on

525
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:32.880
one college football team is crazy for
for any for any on all of us

526
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:37.960
who have made content before, Like, part of the success of your content

527
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:42.720
is creating an expectation of what people
are going to see. And you know,

528
00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:47.279
calling the swamp Kings is a little
clickbaity because it doesn't really I mean,

529
00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:52.480
the they just gloss over over most
of the guys and they talk a

530
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:57.200
little bit about the bad behavior that
came from them thinking that they were the

531
00:33:57.279 --> 00:34:00.599
kings of the swamp. But I
guess what's holding them back from telling the

532
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:04.759
good story that's there? I don't
know. Like clickbait's a thing for sure,

533
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:07.000
right, Like all that matters,
title, thumbnail, all that matters

534
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:10.960
to get people in. But it's
only like shit clip bait when you have

535
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:14.719
no substance behind it. But this, it's like the it's the cake is

536
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:17.920
sitting right there and they just don't
want to cut it. That's my right.

537
00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:22.559
It's not like I think I understand
all this, But why why not

538
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:25.679
dig in when when the cake says
eat me and it's looking at me.

539
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:34.119
Well, I think that the maybe
the subject that they should have grabbed is

540
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:37.440
easy to see. I think that
the getting the kind of information that they

541
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:45.920
would have needed for a four episode
documentary about that stuff might have been hard

542
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:50.480
hard to get people to talk about. Maybe about that stuff, I don't

543
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:59.400
know. I just listened to a
to a podcast about sexual abuse, primarily

544
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:05.400
of women in twelve step programs.
It's called the Thirteenth Step. The thirteenth

545
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:09.559
step is when you bang somebody in
your program. Yeah, the thirteenth stepper.

546
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:15.400
That's It's the whole thing. And
and how how often these programs are

547
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:21.239
run by people who have no background
in anything at all except being addicts.

548
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:27.039
And at the beginning of that,
people were willing to talk shit about the

549
00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:31.039
guy who owned this place in Ohio
shocker, uh, and then another guy

550
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:37.559
in California. But the Ohio guy
like sold his company and had millions of

551
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:43.119
dollars and so he could he could
combat everything that they were trying to do

552
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:45.840
in terms of getting interviews. So
a lot of like women came forward and

553
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:50.280
men too, came forward and talked
about what they saw or what happened to

554
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:53.079
them personally. And as the story
went on and the reporting went on,

555
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:58.039
uh, there were people started pulling
out of it because they started seeing like

556
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:02.119
there was there was the reporter and
some of the people involved in producing it

557
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:07.519
were targeted for vandalism and stuff,
and they just like, man, I'm

558
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:09.559
just going to back off in those
like don't use my name, don't use

559
00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:15.559
my voice. So I wonder about
that. I mean, it's maybe a

560
00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:20.400
little bit easier and stuff that's very
public like how Aaron Hernandez was pretty public.

561
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:22.360
That was very public and like you
could go to like the old Trainers

562
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:28.119
interview, the fucking Waterboy interview a
teacher you can dive in or interview other

563
00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:31.880
players interview. You know, Tebow's
obviously looking at talk say hey, bro,

564
00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:36.760
like you're so close to Jesus Christ, and like you were friends with

565
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:40.400
Aaron Hernandez. How does that feel, you know, like the friends friends.

566
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:45.880
Yeah, yeah, like apparently close. And yet Spikes is a character,

567
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:47.199
Like there's so many good characters in
that thing, but they even the

568
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:51.920
interview questions were just so like level. Oh yeah, he brought me to

569
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:54.400
the arena and told me I'm the
leader now, like all right, bruh.

570
00:36:54.679 --> 00:37:00.000
Yeah. Was this a Disney movie
that really had a Disney quality?

571
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:02.039
Yeah, and like that probably happened. And in real life, if stuff

572
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:06.000
like that happens, I do think
it's like cool, Like I had really

573
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:08.599
cool mentors do little stuff for me
and like that that is special and handing

574
00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:12.920
the reins and stuff. But like
talking about it just seems fluff. Right

575
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:15.079
when it happens, it can be
meaningful and there could be like good stuff,

576
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:20.679
but I think it's meaningful to the
people who were directly involved and the

577
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:24.840
people who find that stuff inspiring.
I felt like it was a little Yeah

578
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:28.880
that's my point. Try that's my
point. But when it happens, it

579
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:32.400
can have power. But telling the
story of it is meaningless. Yeah,

580
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:35.880
telling the story of it is meaningless. But but to the team or to

581
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:38.079
Spikes, it could have been a
huge deal and it could have played in

582
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:44.000
his success, but it would have
been more documentary style to talk about is

583
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:50.119
murderer on the other side of the
ball. Then the four episodes is very

584
00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:53.280
confusing too. It's like man like
that was just stretched out garbage. I

585
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:58.400
thought it was really odd too,
that the because I thought it was going

586
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:01.639
to be you know, uh oh
five, oh six, oh seven,

587
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:07.039
oh eight, Yeah, and like
each episode Yeah, and in episode three

588
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:13.719
is oh seven and a good deal
into oh eight. I guess to keep

589
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:17.039
you going because I don't know,
Yeah, some kind of hook to get

590
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:21.519
you to finish this snooze fest.
Yeah, none of it kept me going.

591
00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:23.440
Yeah. Maybe one of the worst
ones we watched. Yeah, yeah,

592
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:25.960
because it was just so it literally
felt like I was watching a football

593
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:29.840
game or like like a Sunday,
you know, they're like, let's dive

594
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:32.000
into how the Rams Niners game went, and they didn't play shit, that's

595
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:35.679
what I felt like I was watching. Yeah, those are terrible. Yeah

596
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:37.639
yeah, I hate those. Yeah. It's like, yeah, it's like

597
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:42.400
watching post game but from years ago. Yeah yah, nineteen ninety nine super

598
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:45.840
Bowl post Game, that's what we
watched. The A thing that I've noticed

599
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:49.840
over a couple of the ones that
we watched lately is that like, it's

600
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:55.239
we're in it the widescreen era though, like all the film was was sixteen

601
00:38:55.320 --> 00:39:00.320
nine and not fourty three. You
know it was, and it makes it

602
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:04.719
seem like so recent. Maybe you
don't need to examine it yet. I

603
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:07.280
don't know. I mean they didn't
do a good job of examining it,

604
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:08.920
so that Yeah, I mean,
this one's what twelve years old ish?

605
00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:13.079
Thirteen years old ish? But then
you know, the next episode we talked

606
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:15.840
about it is like two years ago
last year. Yeah, yeah, which

607
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:21.000
is crazy. Yeah, Like,
what's the what's the documentary rule for when

608
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:23.480
you cover something that's a good question? Shit, man, like a year

609
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:27.960
ago feels too tight? Yeah,
you know, but and it's a news

610
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:30.840
story, but that story is fucking
crazy. It's really good. It's a

611
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:34.840
really good story. We'll surely wrap
this one up there so we can get

612
00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:36.440
to that one. Yeah, it's
a pretty good story. That's why I

613
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:38.800
want to do somewamp first because this
next one's fucking nuts. Yeah, that

614
00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:45.199
guy's a psychod kind of like I
don't want to be friends with him,

615
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:46.079
but I do kind of like,
oh my god, And I feel like

616
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:50.280
I've met people like him to have
we've met the same person, Like,

617
00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:52.440
yeah, I kind of like him, and and and I think there's people

618
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:57.000
like him. Guys, stay tuned
in the next episode for sure. Subscribe

619
00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:00.280
to this thing. The next that
I've met peop people like him also but

620
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:04.280
with a good heart. Oh yeah, Like this guy's a piece of shit,

621
00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:07.599
but there's there's a lot of people
like him, and some just have

622
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:09.639
good hearts and some don't. And
this guy just doesn't give a fuck.

623
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:15.440
Dude. Yeah, Okay, so
rating system remember, And I think it's

624
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:20.159
I think it's in episode two,
but it might be episode three where they

625
00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:22.559
come in too. I think it's
good. I think he's come into Auburn,

626
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:27.760
but I'm not sure exactly what.
But they someone has taken a life

627
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:34.519
size Gator model and they have bolted
it to to a big like that's why

628
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:45.000
pig wire frame? Yes, so, uh how many fake Gator models bolted

629
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:50.760
to pig wire out of five?
Eight? Oh? Ouch, yeah,

630
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:55.360
I'll do this like a yeah,
A one boring. Really, I'll give

631
00:40:55.400 --> 00:41:01.400
it too. But just because of
Tebow's jack biceps in the in the contemporary,

632
00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:06.360
okay, I guess these are kind
of dead behind the eyes. I

633
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:08.400
guess. The one the one positive
I want to give this thing the gym

634
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:13.239
scenes. And it's because I'm meathead, but the gym scenes were dopey.

635
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:15.199
There was something man, there was
some men on that team. Yeah they

636
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:20.079
were, but over the top is
probably it's probably was real. I would

637
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:22.840
love to have seen them doing that
stuff like in in the off season of

638
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:27.360
the preseason and not during the season. That just that that was when it

639
00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:30.000
was shot. They're eighteen, No, yeah they're fine, I guess.

640
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:34.800
Yeah. No, they're eighteen doing
rows to failure and yeah they'll be fine

641
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:39.760
and psalms and so beyond. At
least they're Gatorade for sure. Trend.

642
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:47.679
Yeah, Yeah, those kids were
big. Yeah, they were specimens.

643
00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:51.920
Some of them could have been natty
for sure. Yeah, they're they're the

644
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:53.920
cream of the crop. Think about
like in high school football, Like,

645
00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:58.159
how many of your friends were taking
like fucking sure, but that's because they're

646
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:02.400
also trash but lost. If you're
if you're already smashing heads everybody who looks

647
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:07.199
thirty five in high school, you
know, either it's natural or it is

648
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:09.920
an enhancement. A lot of people
I knew in high school. It's all

649
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:14.920
the same thing. Yes, that
took ship for football or rugby or whatever.

650
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:19.360
They weren't good athletes. Yeah,
like a lot of the better ones

651
00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:22.280
were not. Some of the specimens
I hung out with, or even Kyle,

652
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:23.719
you know, like the specimens they
just didn't even know because they were

653
00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:28.199
already shitting on everyone. Yeah,
that's fair, Like it's always a little

654
00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:30.000
the little old guy one and I
obviously went to Hogwarts. It was way

655
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:34.360
different culture, but like no one
even talked about it. Nobody juiced for

656
00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:37.360
quidditch. Yeah, there wasn't even
yet the strict testing and quidditch is nuts.

657
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:45.440
That's fair. We didn't even think
about it all, right, Dean,

658
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:47.440
where people where can people find you? You know, you can find

659
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:52.880
me over at at cafe and killos
on ig or at Dean's doors, dot

660
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