July 23, 2025

USAPL calls out the IPF on drug testing | Guest co-host: Josh Hajar

USAPL calls out the IPF on drug testing | Guest co-host: Josh Hajar
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The former International Powerlifting Federation affiliate representing the United States, the USAPL, took to instagram recently to criticize the integrity of its drug testing program through WADA. The post using quotes from Olympic athletes casting doubt on some actions made by the testing agency. This is significant because a disagreement over the frequency of testing through WADA caused the USAPL to lose its affiliation with the international federation (it wanted to test more frequently, among other issues).

Bottom line, what would make the “juice” with the squeeze (and the risk) anyway?

The USAPL post: https://www.instagram.com/p/DMF-6zRsq3x/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

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And we're in. Hey, welcome everyone. I've asked Josh to

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come back in today in part because I'm going on

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vacation and I need to rack ups some some runway

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on the on the podcast, and in part because I

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really want to talk to him again, and a couple

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of topics to to throw out here in the process.

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Did you like get yourself right there on the shin.

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I got myself on the shin deadlifting in here.

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We're way off, Mike, I'm way off, Mike.

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Let me see what I want to pull it up? Yeah?

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Is is that better? Can you hear me a little better? Yeah?

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I can hear that. I I don't want the world

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to miss out on your voice.

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Thank you. I appreciate that.

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Yeah, You've got to like that distinctive bass voice that

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just Yeah.

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I'm usually yelling when I'm here because I can't hear

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over the over the music, the music, So my voice

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kind of takes a different tone. And so when I

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finally get in an arena where I can talk without

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having to yell, people are like, your voice is really deep,

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Like yeah, when I don't have to yell, it is

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this is.

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How I talk? Yeah?

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Excellent. Yeah, So I was a little bit blown away

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yesterday scrolling through Instagram looking at the posting by the U.

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S a PL, which you know, people should know that

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a few years ago they were disaffiliated from the IP

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from the International Organization for Powerlifting Competition due to arguments

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over testing frequency and and it's in you with it's

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not what you think it's it's not that they wanted

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to test less than required, is that they wanted to

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test more than required. And their post and it's a

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pinned post, so you know they mean it.

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Uh, it's it's the.

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Title is true to the mission when legends lose faith?

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In lose faith colon the Crisis at Water. I think

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that there are like actually two implied colons in that title.

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But anyway, there are several quotes from Michael Phelps, US

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swimmer like the most decorated swimmer of all time, at

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least American. And the question is is water protecting clean

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sport or protecting corruption? When the greatest Olympian of all

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time calls out water, we should And it is clear

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to me that any attempts to reform at WATA have

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fallen short. There are deeply rooted, systemic problems that prove

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detrimental to the integrity of international sports. It doesn't trust

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the antidoping system, why should we? And goes on from there,

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Alison Schmidt, Katie Ldecki, Michael Phelps again, Alison Schmidt again,

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basically all just saying that as Olympic athletes, they don't

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they and I think all, I don't know that any

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of them are still competing, but looking back that WADA

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is just not a reliable organization for antidoping and that's

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its sole mission. So so what do we do from there?

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And what's supposed to happen. What I had not realized

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was that in January, and we're talking about before the

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administration change. In January, the US withheld its commitment to

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WATA to the tune of like three point six million

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dollars over these issues, and some of them have to

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do with Chinese swimmers. They're tested positive but were reinstated

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a number of different issues like that where the standard

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wasn't held. And sometime back Mike and I watched I

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don't know if you've ever watched it, but there's a

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documentary called Icarus about the Russian doping scandal, and it's

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it was intensely eye opening, but you're supposed to believe

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that because they were caught, that that sort of thing

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isn't going on anymore, but it probably is based on this,

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and then there are things that are just being.

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Looked over.

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So as a us APL lifter, yourself, a drug tested

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Federation lifter, and someone who is not, you know, in

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their twenties, well, what is your thought about about doping period,

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about people trying to get away with it, about what

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that does to competition as a competitor yourself.

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I mean, when it comes to doping and people trying

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to get away with it, I really disagree with trying

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to get away with it by getting around the doping

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standards or by using any substances that you know don't

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show up in tests. I kind of think that that's

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an unfair advantage to people who have maybe a restricter

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or doping standards or testing standards. And as I understand it,

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the usapl's beef with the IPF is that the USAPL

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has higher standards than WATA does for IPF, and if

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competition is going to be universal across the board, then

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it's going to have to here to the strictest standards.

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So I think USAPL is kind of justified in their opinion.

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I do believe that we shouldn't be reinstating people underneath

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a certain timeframe if they have been caught doping. There

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is an advantage to doping for a period of time

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and then giving it up. Your body doesn't completely lose

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all the advantages that you get from doping for a

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brief period of time.

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It just kind of adjusts to it.

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You might lose a considerable amount of strength if you're

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able to use peds and then you stop using peds.

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But if you do use certain peptides that are they're

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coming out with now you have better recovery times. There's

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so many things that you hear of as somebody who's

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getting really ingratiated into this sport that you could use

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to increase your recovery, increase your muscle growth, increase all

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these things, and they're all banned by the USADA and

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the USAPL and I think other countries should be held

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to that standard. I think being banned from the sport

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for a period of time should be an extended period

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of time. It should be like the Olympics, where you're

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banned for an entire four years from international competition. So

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I don't really know. I don't really know what the

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resolution here is between the USAPL, the IPF, WADA, and USADA.

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Do they adhere to the stricter standards and certain athletes

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from certain countries have an advantage or do they you know,

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loosen their standards just to kind of fall in line.

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But where does that put the spirit of true competition

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if we have tested federations where nobody's supposed to have

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an advantage, it's just the sheer human magnitude of their

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ability to lift or perform athletically with no significant advantage

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across the board. Or do we just give up and

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say we're never going to catch these people who use

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these you know, tailored medications or tailored performance enhancing drugs

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and that's just part of the game.

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Yeah, when basically that part of Icarus was that these

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drugs were just signed to to avoid detection, and then

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they were able to develop tests that actually did catch them,

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and then they were able to go back and look

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at the B samples, the ones that are the untested

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B samples from previous competition, and in this was a

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Chris is not about powerlifting, period, It's just about Olympic sports.

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And WATA.

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But I mean, obviously everybody's trying to take advantage in

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some way or another, and some Olympic sports there is

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an there's an upside, there's a real upside to being

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a gold medalist or a medalist period, but not huge.

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I mean, it just doesn't make you a top NFL athlete.

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It doesn't make you a top NBA athlete. It doesn't

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make you a top MLB athlete in terms of like

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salary or endorsements or any of those other things. All

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it does is like is give you a win or

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give you a PR or whatever. And it doesn't seem

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like there's enough incentive, right.

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It doesn't seem like there's enough incentive. And with a

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lot of these designer drugs and designer pds, what are

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the side effects?

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We don't know. They're long term.

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There aren't long term studies, There aren't long term usages

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of some of these newer things like peptides. You know,

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there's a lot of transparency now in the body building world,

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which I like, there's a lot of guys coming out

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Ronnie Coleman, you know, Jay Cutler, They're coming out and

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talking about the pds that they used and what they used,

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and they're talking about all the side effects from them,

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and they're talking about, you know, certain ones cause heart enlargement,

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certain ones cause rapid growth of cells, which if you

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have any cancer history like myself, yes you want to avoid.

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And they're talking about all those risks, and they said

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they took those risks, but now some of them have

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for really poor health. Some of them have low kidney functions.

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We're hearing about Ronnie Coleman being in the hospital again

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with a blood infection. He's you know, struggling with something

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like that. So I think it's that's that's the risk

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versus reward. Do you want to become a champion or

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an elite level athlete in your sport? Do you want

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to use these substances that they have no idea what

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the side effects will be from usage. It doesn't even

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take heavy usage. It could be minor usage just to

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win a gold medal or just to win you know,

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a local, regional or state powerlifting competition.

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Right, yeah, I yeah, that's one of those things I

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don't entirely understand, especially in the too go to the

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extent to cheat in a tested federation. I don't understand

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the motivation I don't understand why there could possibly be enough,

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especially if you know that you cheat it, like you know,

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I mean, I'm I don't care what people do, but

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I just don't see that it's worth it for for

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that like MLB tests for for performance enhancing drugs now

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during due to the steroid scandals of the the early

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two thousands and and I mean it was that was

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very overblown, but you know, it was one of those things.

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But they so they did, they do tests, they do suspend,

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they do you know, outright banded people from the from

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from the game, and I feel supposed to test, but

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I don't really know what they do. And I mean,

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looking at the people involved, I don't have any sense

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that that they're going to pass a drugs doping screen,

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you know, I just don't. I don't sense that at all.

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And I'm not one hundred percent sure what the advantage

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in the NBA would be.

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Probably recovery, yeah, probably recovery from any you're playing. I mean,

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I think a decent amount of games and you're just

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running back and forth, back and forth for what like

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an hour and a half an hour?

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Yeah, yeah, and and explosively yeah.

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Yeah, And that's a lot of strain on a lot

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of tendons and ligaments and that in that sport to

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with the jumping and the running and and uh, I

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think the contact a little bit of contact. I think

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the advantage is in the recovery. And you know, there

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are substances like human growth hormone that will help with cartilage,

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ligament and tendon, you know, stability and repair. You don't

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necessarily have to use it just to get as huge

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as some of these bodybuilders.

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Who compete in the open.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, you can use it just to make sure that

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your body doesn't fall apart during an eighty two game season.

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I mean, I think even with all of that energy expenditure,

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like being being overweight Luca is uh is a detriment,

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right yeah, and so like whatever is necessary to get

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to get lean. Like I don't know, I don't I

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don't think that they would ban, especially off season use

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of something like a GLP one agonist, like you know,

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I don't know for for an overweight athlete.

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Yeah, but I think with the GLP ones there's no

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true athletic advantage.

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It's not anabolic, it's a secondary advantage because you're you're

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lighter and so you're your your cardio is going.

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To be better.

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Yeah, but there's no anabolic there's no anabolic aspect to it.

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Like you could abuse insulin, which is very dangerous and

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I don't recommend anybody does, but some bodybuilders have admitted

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to using insulin for to be more anabolic. Now, the

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risk of that is you don't compensate with enough you know,

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food to get your blood sugar back up, and you've

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used too much insulin, and having very low insulin is

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life threateningly dangerous.

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Immediately life threateningly dangerous. High insulin.

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High blood sugar is not immediately life threateningly dangerous unless

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you ignore it for a certain period of time. Then

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you go into things like keto acidosis. But severe hypoglycemia

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with blood sugar below fifty means your cells are completely

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disassociating and starting to fall apart and your body just

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doesn't function anything.

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that's a very big risk. But I don't feel like

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the GLP ones, which are I don't know their exact

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mechanism of action, but I do know that there's some

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sort of blood sugar regulation in there to help people

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lose weight. It shuts off food noise for them. There's

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no athletic advantage that it could give them other than

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in the off season when they don't need to hold

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on to weight as more importantly to drive energy in

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their body than to just lean up in the off

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season in a way that it doesn't take a whole

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lot of I'm not going to say it doesn't take

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a whole lot of effort, but it shuts off the

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food noise enough for them to lean up a little easier.

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Well, and you think about it too. There level of

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activity drops but significantly. Yeah, but does there But does

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their calorie and take drop Probably not, And that I

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mean that is why you part of the reason why

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you have training camps and.

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Yeah, so that's probably why they train. It's really hard

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in the summer is to get.

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And now that has changed a lot because it used

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to be that everybody came into whatever kind of camp

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fat and then they would they would have, you know,

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six weeks or so to pull off that extra weight.

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I think that there has been I mean, part of

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the reason why we see better performances in all sports

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is because of year round training for athletes.

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But I also feel like that's why they get more injured.

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I think you're correct, Yeah, that totally makes sense. Yeah,

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and it increases the the importance of trainers and physical

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therapists and and nutrition people and all that stuff if

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they if they're going to keep going, yeah, you know,

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essentially year round.

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Yeah, trainers and all that. Well, the knowledge that the

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trainers need is a lot more.

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Yeah, No, yeah, for sure, it's it's it's it's definitely

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more complicated. What what's your reaction to to the doping things?

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To beast you you competed before, you're not currently in

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competitive mode, But.

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Yeah, it just kind of I think the whole thing

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is just if you use like drugs in a non

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drug sport. I think it's just the ego. I think

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your ego is just talking to you. It just wants

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you to like, hey, I need to be number one,

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I want to be the best. Yeah, so let me

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just try to get away with using like a substance

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to be better. It's even like the sleeves. People are like, oh,

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these sleeves are going to add on X amount of

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weight to my squat, fuck it, instead of working like harder.

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Let me use these sleeves to cop out to get

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get a couple more pounds on my squad.

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And I would say that's that's kind of an economic

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difference because like the defensive sleeves or I mean the

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thicks are expensive. Yeah, and so just having the having

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the means to to that's the level playing field doesn't

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exist because of the economic disparities and not because of

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of the not because the availability of equipment or whatever.

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Whereas like for doping, I mean not it's it's theoretically

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available to everyone, but isn't really, especially if you're trying

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to avoid detection.

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Yeah, that one's a bit more expensive.

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Yeah, that that's that's definitely more more expensive. And and

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again another economic divide.

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I just I don't know.

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I have a difficult time explaining to myself why people

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want to get more from working less like like that.

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There's the feeling of accomplishment is just different. It feels

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tainted to me.

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Actually, Jerry and I were just talking about this where

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he was talking he was chopping it up with somebody

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that he works with at in Shape, and he had

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asked him about like mentoring but kind of like not

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in the like bring you along type of mentoring more

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like the class like all right, here's this class or

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come to my come to my hot come to this

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hotel lobby, and it's gonna be like one hundred of

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you guys, and I'm gonna teach you guys how to

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like how I got what I got? Uh. And Jerry's like, well,

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how is that really gonna help you? He's gonna tell

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you step by step what to do. He's like, but

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sometimes you you need to like fail to succeed. Yeah,

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those failures are what teaches you how to succeed in

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this where this guy's like oh, He's like what, but

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what if you can just skip all those failures that

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that guy failed at and now I can just succeed.

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And Jerry's like, well, that's the whole process.

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You have to fail. Yeah, you have to have your

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own failures.

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Like, I don't think there's any road to to immediate

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success that doesn't involve a hell of a lot of luck.

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Yeah, and luck.

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And you can't time luck. And people say, oh, you

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make your own luck. It's like, I don't know if

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that's really true.

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I mean you make it in the sense of like

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you put yourself in these positions, like you put yourself life.

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For example, me, when I first started coming here at

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Third Street, I was like I instantly literally from the

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first day that I came, like first day passed, I

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was like, it'd be cool to work here. Yeah, So

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what did I do? I showed up every single day.

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I would bug Mike. I'm like, oh, like, what do

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you think of this though? What do you think of

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my training? Or how can I improve? Or Hey, if

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you guys need anybody, I'm here. I'm here most of

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the time. Oh you guys need someone to clean something,

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I'll be down to be like an intern. I don't mind.

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So I think that that's where like the luck comes from. Yeah,

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is you put yourself into those positions.

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Which I think that as just being like the logical

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the logical choice, you know, the the you know, the

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logical suspect.

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Some people don't think like that, you.

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Know, some people don't think like that, And that's yeah,

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that's I mean, you might feel lucky, but you got

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there because of.

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Your work.

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Consistency and just showing up and doing the same thing.

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I'll say that that uh, that's that that kind of

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the peds and trying to get away with it. On

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the under it robs you of those experiences. And that's

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my opinion on the peds. If you're really trying to

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achieve something great, it's fine to use the PEDS if

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you're in an untested federation because you're competing against other

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people who are on a variety of things, you know.

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But if you're going into an untested federation, it should

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just literally be And it's unfortunate that it's not your

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own word that you are holding yourself to this standard

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of being on you know, without any PD in your system.

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I don't care if they talk about the peptides technically

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not being a PED.

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They are.

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At the end of the day, why would you use

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unless they gave you an advantage. So if you really

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want the spirit of competition and that sense of accomplishment

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that hey, I earned this, you have to go against

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people who are in the top of what you do,

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who have done so in a clean fashion, and who

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have held themselves to the standard that you hold yourself to.

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And so that's the whole thing about this journey. It's

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it's been a lot of consistency for me. It's been

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a lot of just showing up even when I don't

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feel like it. It's been failures. It's been competing in

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my first competition and being the first onto the stage

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the whole time and finishing dead last in my competition.

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But I understand that that's what's going to happen to

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achieve what I wanted to.

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Yeah, everybody to start somewhere, you have to.

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Start from the bottom. You have to fail a couple

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of times. You have to stumble and get back up.

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And I think Jerry just posted something really good on

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Instagram about peaks and valleys, and I agree with that.

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I don't think that's just related to a powerlifting journey.

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I think that's just life in general. You're going to

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have peaks, You're going to have valleys, you know. And

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I think any competitor who really has it in them,

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who wants to be at the top of their game

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in a tested sport, would want to go into every

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competition and every opportunity to compete knowing that everybody's abilities

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were universal across the board.

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Yeah, and I'm I mean, I don't want to sound

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particularly moralistic. People can do whatever they want to do.

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It's just I don't I don't understand the motivation if

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if you're trying to compete tested, I competed untested. I'm

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in bicker struggle faster. I don't care if people do

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stois really, but it's the issue of of what you

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what's the what's the end goal? What do you get

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out of it? Is if you if you know that

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you circumvented rules to to win. And I'm I'm I

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sometimes wish I was more of a win at all

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costs kind of person, you know. I mean, I think

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that would have some advantages in particularly in our world today,

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But I'm not that guy, and and so it so

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it confuses me and you you just touched on it earlier,

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that that that performance enhancing dructure just not really on

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the table for you as a cancer survivor. It's like,

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why would the risk would just be the risk reward

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radio ratio would be would be disadvantageous, as they would say.

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Yes, I I specifically have to avoid anything that produces

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human growth hormone, and any overdrive of human growth hormone

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could drive recurrence of my non HODGKINSLM foma. So I

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do avoid anything like that. And then when it comes

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to anything testosterone related, it's similar that that drives growth,

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and cancer is an overactive growth of cells that aren't

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supposed to be growing. So I have to be extremely

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vigilant on anything that I look at our take. So

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what I end up taking is just your typical supplements, fish.

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Oil, vitamins, creatine.

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I take a post workout from transparent labs, and just

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magnesium to help me sleep. And that's like the majority

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of what I can take safely just to make sure

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that I maintain this journey where I want it to be,

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to get to where I want to be. And I

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think that the other people who ignore the risk factors,

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like there's some heart enlargement from testosterone supplements, So anything

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that drives testosterone can make your heart too large, and

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that's not a really fun way to end up in

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your life in your fifties and sixties, because I can

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tell you left ventricular hypertrophy is lead one of the

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direct causes of just of heart failure, which can be

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a very miserable existence for a very long time.

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Heart gets sluggish, you don't you know, it doesn't pull

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off all the extra water in your system.

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And you get shorter, breath easy, retain fluid easy. You

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have to be on diuretics and even adhering to all

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the health advice and what we advise people who have

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heart failure or extreme you know, heart enlargement, you still

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end up in the hospital, in and out of the

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hospital very frequently. So risking that just to have an

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advantage in a sport where you're not going to make

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hundreds of millions of dollars get endorsements is to me,

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is not a risk to reward ratio that's worth it.

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The top, the top professional athletes who have longevity in

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their career essentially create generational wealth if it's managed well. Yes,

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there's anything about power lifting that's going to create generational

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wealth through anybody.

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So are but no, no, no, And unless you're pioneer,

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unless you're unless you're pioneer, I mean you might be able.

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There are a lot of influencers out there now on

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Instagram and variety of social media platforms who powerlifting is

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their one hundred percent full time job. Whereas you come

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from an era where that didn't exist. Everybody had a

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full time job outside of powerlifting. You were not well

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known at all. If you were untested or tested in

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a powerlifting federation, you were only known by other powerlifters

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and maybe some other strength athletes. A lot of the

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men's fitness covers were you know, the bodybuilders we all know.

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To this day, there was no powerlifting you know, athletes

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out there in the public eye. So today that might

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be some of the advantage that you could make powerlifting

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your one hundred percent full time job. You can get

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some endorsements from a variety of uh, you know, supplement companies.

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You can get endorsements from some you know, like power

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lifting gear companies, but it's not going to create generational wealth.

468
00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:06.640
No, And people who are making money are doing it

469
00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:10.759
by selling things, yes, I mean not just not just

470
00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:11.920
being ambassadors for.

471
00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:15.319
Some you like, physically own something.

472
00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:18.839
Yeah yeah, yeah, and that and that game gets harder

473
00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:21.079
throughout the years every.

474
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:21.880
Day pretty much.

475
00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:24.640
Yeah, apparel is difficult.

476
00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:30.759
The new companies pop up with the newest fitness influencer

477
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:32.119
quoting it and.

478
00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:35.319
Its supplements are hard. I mean, the margins are great,

479
00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:42.440
but it actually developing a client base is difficult. Coaching

480
00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:46.920
seems to be easier, but that's definitely a flavor.

481
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:50.599
Of the week kind of situation comes and goes. Yeah,

482
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:54.200
same thing, peaks and valleys. Sometimes you'll have twenty clients.

483
00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:55.680
Other times you'll have two.

484
00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:58.480
Yeah, yeah, exactly, And it's sort of what what have

485
00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:04.039
you done lately? Is the things either yourself or or

486
00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:06.319
someone that you coached or managed or whatever, And that's

487
00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:08.039
kind of the kind of the first question is like

488
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:09.440
who do you who did you coach?

489
00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:12.160
You know what?

490
00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:13.119
What have they done?

491
00:28:13.359 --> 00:28:13.559
What?

492
00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:16.880
And and and when? When did they do it?

493
00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:17.400
And when?

494
00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:19.440
Where do they where were they when they started with you?

495
00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:22.279
It is another really good question in the in the

496
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:24.920
coaching world, it's like what you know, I've I've been

497
00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:27.119
talking to a couple of you know, coaches lately and

498
00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:31.200
I but but people who were not training, people who

499
00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:34.279
are trying to be powerlifting athletes or any other kind

500
00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:36.799
of athlete necessarily just people are trying to be in

501
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:39.839
better shape, and they're the measurement is did they did

502
00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:42.519
they get into better shape? Did they lose weight or

503
00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:45.759
did they gain weight if they intended to? Or you know,

504
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:49.240
how do they present what's there with their aesthetics like

505
00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:52.640
now relative to what they wanted whatever. That's how you

506
00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:55.519
measure that. But in the powerlifting world, it's it's what

507
00:28:55.640 --> 00:28:58.400
have you or your or or your clients done lately?

508
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:03.559
And still there's only so much money there too, I think.

509
00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:06.680
I mean it just like I don't know that anybody,

510
00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:10.119
I mean, who's getting rich doing it. They're managing to

511
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:13.759
avoid having real jobs, some of them, but nobody's I

512
00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:15.240
don't think anybody's really getting rich.

513
00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:19.119
Yeah, I don't know about rich. Maybe, like it's the

514
00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:21.519
same thing, like you have your top one percent, no

515
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:27.160
not even one top point one, you know, like a

516
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:31.240
Joey flex or something like that. Yeah, that's probably who

517
00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:32.000
gets rich off of.

518
00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:34.279
Yeah, and I and I don't, like, I don't know

519
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:35.599
what his bank statement looks like.

520
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:37.880
It could could be false.

521
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:43.720
Yeah, I mean I I only very peripherally have interacted

522
00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:46.759
with him, so I don't know. But and you know,

523
00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:49.880
the coaching groups that we that we know and people there,

524
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:52.279
but I know they work pretty hard. The ones that

525
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:54.960
are that are actually good and dedicated, they actually work

526
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:58.680
pretty hard on on keeping up with their their clients.

527
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:01.480
That phone has to be open literally twenty four to seven.

528
00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:02.279
Yeah.

529
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:04.759
Yeah, and it ends up becoming you know, like I said,

530
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:08.440
in the powerlifting world, before we started having influencers, they

531
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:11.720
had full time jobs outside of powerlifting, right, But now

532
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:15.319
this coaching and the social media presence they have has

533
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:19.200
become their full time job, right with you know, overtime,

534
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:22.000
because you have to make content, you have to edit

535
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:24.319
your content, you have to post your content. Then you

536
00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:26.079
have to be in touch with all of your athletes

537
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:29.079
by coaching. Then you have to make their programs. Then

538
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:31.400
you have to talk to them. So now you're working

539
00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:35.160
more likely sixty hour to eighty hour weeks instead of

540
00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:37.039
you know, working at nine to five and going to

541
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:39.680
a powerlifting competition on the weekend. Like it probably happened

542
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:41.759
in the early eighties and nineties when the sport was

543
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:45.559
reaching its highest level of popularity without the Internet.

544
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:48.559
And yeah, and people yet being coached by someone was

545
00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:55.200
being coached by someone that was outside of your like

546
00:30:56.759 --> 00:31:02.160
locally physically located team. It was a very uncommon yeah

547
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:05.720
back then, in part because it just wasn't easy.

548
00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:07.920
Yeah, you know, the communication.

549
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:11.440
Yeah, it just wasn't easy the minutes. Yeah, And so

550
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:13.400
you had a whole world where where, you know, one

551
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:14.960
group of people are trying to figure out how to

552
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:19.119
have best to implement some kind of progressive overload system

553
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:21.599
for themselves, and another group of people who are trying

554
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:24.920
to figure out how to implement a Westside template, which

555
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:27.640
was not as prescriptive as they thought it was going

556
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:34.039
to be for themselves, and there was you know, very

557
00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:39.920
very few people to to tell you how to do

558
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:42.640
those things, especially on a workout by workout basis.

559
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:45.319
You have to look for a gym like this.

560
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:46.960
You have to look for a gym like a Third

561
00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:47.519
Street or.

562
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:49.319
I guess like a bar Brigade.

563
00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:49.599
Right.

564
00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:52.079
I don't know if they really had coaching like that.

565
00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:54.279
I think that as far as I know, they still

566
00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:57.440
maybe only had one coach. I don't know, I could

567
00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:00.119
be wrong. I think Stanley was coach coaching there. I'm

568
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:01.319
not sure what the but.

569
00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:03.599
Yeah, it'd have to be something that's not a commercial gym.

570
00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:05.319
Yeah, because you're not going to find coaches in a

571
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:08.640
commercial gym like you're going to make and they're going

572
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:11.440
to discourage it to a commercial gym. They because they

573
00:32:11.480 --> 00:32:13.000
have their personal trainers.

574
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:13.319
That work for them.

575
00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:15.519
They do anything that are allowed to train there. You're

576
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:16.839
taking money out of their pocket.

577
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:17.920
Yeah, if you are.

578
00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:20.359
If you're anybody who you know, you see them and

579
00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:22.359
you're like, hey, are you a coach? But at a

580
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:25.039
gym like this, there's multiple coaches. There are multiple people

581
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:27.599
here who you know are coaches outside of their nine

582
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:30.039
to five or whatever they do on a regular basis.

583
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:33.559
I am. I was on vacation last week and I

584
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:35.480
had to go to a commercial gym for the first

585
00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:41.880
time in years for whatever reason other than I don't

586
00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:43.559
know what what the reason would be, other than the

587
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:47.960
fact that it's that it's cheap. Like I've been paying

588
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:54.599
twenty bucks a month for twenty four hour fitness since

589
00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:57.920
the late nineties, so they have made their money off me,

590
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:02.200
and I had not stepped into one in since pre pandemic.

591
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:06.880
And I have to tell you it's not the greatest experience.

592
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:11.440
I understand why people can be fine with it, part

593
00:33:11.480 --> 00:33:16.759
of because it's cheap and part because it's kind of okay, right,

594
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:19.400
I mean, and if you go to the same one

595
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:23.599
or the same few, you know what they have in

596
00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:26.079
terms of machines, in terms of free weights or whatever.

597
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:32.240
But I don't know how anyone has a serious powerlifting

598
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:35.440
career in a commercial gym because it's just not conducive

599
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:38.799
to it. And I don't mean like you have to,

600
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:41.680
Like we have kilo sets, we have all that stuff.

601
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:45.960
We have combo racks, we have basically competition equipment for

602
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:50.400
people to use. I don't think that's necessary. But always

603
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:53.240
benching off a non adjustable bench on a slick ass bar,

604
00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:56.079
it doesn't really do anything for you. Or trying to

605
00:33:56.119 --> 00:34:01.440
deadlift in a place where you against slick ass bars

606
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:06.920
bench bars, I don't, you know. I mean, the machine

607
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:09.960
stuff is nice, but it's but it's often not it's

608
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:16.320
often broken or it's old. I don't understand. But still

609
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:19.360
they're crowded too, I mean, that's that's the other downside

610
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:21.119
is that they're crowded, so you have to kind of wait.

611
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:25.119
If you're in, if you're if you're working with programming

612
00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:29.199
from someone and there's a certain sequence that you're theoretically

613
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:32.039
supposed to follow, you may be waiting around a long

614
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:35.480
time to get on a particular machine or stuff is

615
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:38.559
just not the Like the Pulley ratios are different than

616
00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:40.800
what you're used to, so you can't use the weights

617
00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:42.599
that you anticipate.

618
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:47.039
Yeah, yeah, And I think that's just the The crux

619
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:50.000
of trying to get into a sport with any sort

620
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:52.280
of seriousness or any sort of training with any sort

621
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:54.599
of seriousness is you do have to go to the

622
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:55.400
right environment.

623
00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:56.639
You do have to.

624
00:34:56.599 --> 00:34:59.400
Have the tools that you need available to you to

625
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:02.239
do what you're trying to do, so to bring us

626
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:05.599
back to the original point of the testing and and

627
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:06.199
so there's.

628
00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:07.960
Not a lot of time. There's not a lot.

629
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:10.880
Of money in being at the top of your game

630
00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:16.440
in the USPA, the USAPL, winning IPF Worlds. Myself, I'm

631
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:19.360
new to this for about two years and I wasn't

632
00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:22.760
even aware of this USAPL post. So, but I will

633
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:25.679
watch nationals and I will watch IPF you know Worlds

634
00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:29.760
and things like that. It's a very niche strength sport.

635
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:32.119
There there's not a lot of optics out there. If

636
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:36.119
you are into powerlifting, you most likely follow a couple

637
00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:40.119
people like I follow SSJ Bob or LS McLain because

638
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:44.159
he's currently the champion and masters in my weight class,

639
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:46.599
and that's who I'm trying to like reach, right, But

640
00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:51.880
I don't follow a ton of other you know, champions

641
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:54.280
or people who have won nationals. And I know there's

642
00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:57.039
a lot of other people out there who do, but

643
00:35:57.079 --> 00:35:59.920
it's usually people who are into powerlifting. It's not just

644
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:03.159
your average kid who goes to a commercial gym and

645
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:06.360
is looking to look like a guy like Seabum, right,

646
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:09.039
he's going to follow the Bradley Martins, he's going to

647
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:11.239
follow Seabum, he's going to follow a lot of these

648
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:16.519
other guys. So to use peds. To use peds to

649
00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:20.480
circumvent the rules surrounding the untested federations while you're competing

650
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:24.440
in a tested federation. The benefit is just really not there.

651
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:26.960
Are you going to get more people to coach? If

652
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:28.880
you get more people to coach, you have more work,

653
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:30.960
you know, So now you have to film your content

654
00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:34.039
like I said, and then coach all these people. And

655
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:36.920
that money isn't creating so much wealth for you that

656
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:39.280
you are able to retire at the age of forty.

657
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:41.440
It's paying your bills.

658
00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:43.159
You know. And if you average it out over the

659
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:46.480
time that you have to work and not make much

660
00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:50.159
of anything at all with the you know whatever, you know,

661
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:55.239
your boom time is, you know, you're it sort of

662
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:59.280
evens out to you know, probably less than minimum wage

663
00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:00.719
over time.

664
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:03.400
Over time, Yeah, it probably does, to be honest, with

665
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:05.320
all the work that you're putting in. Yeah, And while

666
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:08.159
it's a steady income at times, there could be times

667
00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:09.800
that clients decide they don't want to work with you

668
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:13.480
anymore for whatever reason, there could be times that your

669
00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:17.159
views go down. So whatever benefit you're getting from a

670
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:20.000
couple one hundred thousand views to maybe a million views

671
00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:23.320
or so on Instagram starts to decline. You know, it's

672
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:27.880
a very very labile or up and down business when

673
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:30.480
it comes to social media and a social media presence

674
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:32.079
and influencing.

675
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:33.039
And there's just a recency bias.

676
00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:36.599
Yeah, there's a recency bias. There's all a lot of

677
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:39.639
different factors that bring the income in. So getting to

678
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:42.679
the top of your game in that by using something

679
00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:46.880
that circumvents the USADA rules or the USAPL rules, what

680
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:48.320
really are you getting out of it?

681
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:55.760
At the end, I'm just going to put a button

682
00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:58.920
on this and say that I think that the real

683
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:04.880
perform enhancement is environment. Yes, training, environment, I agree, and

684
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:08.599
to a certain extent, like the environment that you experience

685
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:14.000
when you're when you're in an inside a competition. Yes,

686
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:18.960
how the competition is run, and and the kind of

687
00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:22.480
support that you get that you bring with you, that

688
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:25.760
the crowd gives you, that that competitors give you. That's

689
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:30.880
that's the real performance enhancement to my mind. A little

690
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:33.119
bit Pollyanna, a little bit of soapbox.

691
00:38:33.400 --> 00:38:37.440
But but I will say we already have performance enhancement

692
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:41.360
in all realms of all sports now because we do

693
00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:45.480
have the ability to look at longitudinal studies and see

694
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:48.000
what works. There's guys out there, I mean he did

695
00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:51.480
use peds, but doctor Mike, there's Jeff nipperd and they

696
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:54.199
all talk about the science behind lifting. And while there's

697
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:56.599
you know, this big argument of like science based versus

698
00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:59.280
you know, old school lifters, we have that science.

699
00:38:59.320 --> 00:38:59.480
Now.

700
00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:02.320
We have studies that show if you eat this way,

701
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:04.840
if you sleep this way, if you train this way,

702
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:07.920
you can have a bigger advantage than training you know

703
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:10.039
how we used to train, or the old school training,

704
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:13.400
And to me, that's performance enhancement too, because we have

705
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:16.400
access to that. We have access to This is the

706
00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:18.400
nutrition that you're supposed to be on. This is how

707
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:20.719
much sleep that you're supposed to get. These are the

708
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:23.519
training methods that you're supposed to use. Whereas back in

709
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:25.639
the day, I mean in the early nineties, you could

710
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:27.960
open up a magazine with Ronnie Coleman on the cover

711
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:30.000
and it would tell you these things, but you had

712
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:33.519
to go to the store and purposely look for that magazine.

713
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And it may or not have been Ronnie who put

714
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that together.

715
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Yea, And it may not have been Ronnie who put

716
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that together. And you may be getting bad advice, and

717
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you might and the magazine might just be trying to

718
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sell you a supplement that doesn't actually work.

719
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At the end of the day, Well, magazines are just

720
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created to sell you things. That's I mean, that's the content.

721
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The information is the lure, but the actual pitch.

722
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But all the information that we have that tells us

723
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how to get to where we want to go, that

724
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is that I will get on my soapbox and says

725
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that is the true performance enhancing Now because now your

726
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average person can do things like use a macro calculator online.

727
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They can easily access, you know, a food scale that

728
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will tell them how much food they're consuming and what

729
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to consume. And they can even get apps that will

730
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give them like a good breakdown of what they should

731
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eat meal by meal, calorie by calorie, macro by macro.

732
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Back in the day, we had to like look all

733
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this stuff up at the library, then write it down

734
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and bring it home, you know, so there was no

735
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:36.400
access to this stuff. Now it's in your hand in

736
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:39.559
a six by five. You know, little slab of glass

737
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and metal, and that is the true performance enhancing. So

738
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:46.159
why would you need something on top of that? If

739
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your recovery is good, if your nutrition is good, if

740
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your training is good. That I don't really understand.

741
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:54.840
Yeah, that's not not when the juice is not is

742
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worth the squeeze, as they say, yeah, really juice literally squeeze.

743
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:00.119
Think.

744
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Well, to wrap this one up right here, I have

745
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something else that I want to talk to Josh about.

746
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:07.360
But I just had an idea while we were talking

747
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:10.719
about a way to do that differently than I had

748
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:15.000
had been anticipating. So we will get to that. Okay, Josh,

749
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can people find you?

750
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:18.960
They can find me at Amazing Jay rab on Instagram

751
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:21.000
or Josh jar on Facebook.

752
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:25.519
Sebas I am Sebastian Underscore brand, Bilo on ig I.

753
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:27.400
Am at the Jim mcdion all the social media. This

754
00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:29.559
show is fifty percent facts. Four percent is a word,

755
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:32.559
fifty is just numbers. Fifty percent facts is a spreaker

756
00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:34.920
pining podcast and associate one of that ourt media on

757
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:37.639
the Obscure Celebrity Network and we'll talk to you next time.

758
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:41.599
Oh, thank you,