June 18, 2025

What to look for in a good physical therapist (or coach)? Guest: PT Dr. Patrick Bell

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At Third Street Barbell, we’re lucky enough to have three physical therapists as members. Jim’s been working with Patrick Bell on a shoulder injury and has been very impressed with his knowledge and how he structures and communicates his rehab exercise selections. Since Patrick’s clients are mainly online, we thought it would be good to chat with him about what makes a good physical therapy (and coaching) relationship. He works with Move Your Bones PT, which combines rehabilitation and performance coaching, so he’s uniquely suited to address the issues of working athletes, particularly in a virtual setting.

Also, Mike’s back for a bit from his own gig as a traveling coach.

You can find Dr. Bell on Instagram at @ptpatbell.

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Mike always wears it's just kind of one side on,

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one side off. I do that with AirPods, but I

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don't do it with anything else.

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Ever. One on one huh to hear one in one.

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I don't know why I do one off. It feels

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like too claustrophobic with both on. Yeah, like loud noise

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that's going on. My tissm starts screaming at me.

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We need uh, we need cup holders. These things need

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to have building cup holders. But but then we don't

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have them. So well, oh we're in Hey, hello, Mike's back.

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Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.

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For a minute.

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Yeah, I'll play you day by day.

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So what the hell's going on in this world?

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See what the hell is going on in this world?

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Yeah, it's just like I like to say, on assignment,

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was on assignment?

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Yeah, that's what it felt like.

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New kicks.

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Yeah, I'm turning into a runner. I'm a hybrid athlete.

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My sister I was born in Portland. That's gonna say,

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what were you hybridized? Yeah? Not really running, but there's

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something now. I was born in Portland, so my sister

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still lives up there, so she gets a lot of

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access to employees stores, so everything's fifty percent off, so

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I can't really complain. So she sent me some shoes

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for my early birthday, which is like, yeah, she sent

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them like two months early. But again I'm not going

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to complain.

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Well, well, how can you really?

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Yeah, and running shoes are like they're finally not just

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dad shoes. They're cool and the reason they've been dad

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shoes is because they're always comfortable. So now that fashion

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and comfort are both allowed, I'm not gonna ever say this.

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I have like two inches of plus a foam under

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my feet here on these hocause.

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Yeah, you can't say no, Yeah I don't.

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I like the eights better than the nines, to be honest,

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these are bondies, but you just can't get the eights

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like they they only run like limited runs of them

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and then you got to snatch them up then or whatever.

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I just bought two pairs this time. I just bought

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a great parent, a black parent. I just intending to

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not have to buy shoes for a while.

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I got crazy segues already dive in.

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Oh yeah yeah we should we should introduce our Yeah

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that was part of the segue.

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OK, so we got doctor Pat, So what should go

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by I go by it, yeah, doctor Pat. Remember here

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at the gym for a while now, Patrick Bell. No

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relation yeah has helped important for our older audience.

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No relation yeah has.

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Helped, has helped many of our staff. Really, those are

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the reports I hear Kyle and Jim in particular getting

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help from you. But first we'll dive into education, then

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we can dive into bullshit. The feet topic is a

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hot topic, and I feel like it's always been a

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hot topic and it's gone back and forth, and we won't.

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I mean, you can slander whoever you want. I don't

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give a fuck, and I'll back you up. But there's

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a lot of dudes on the internet that are so

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anti shoe, you know, yeah, anti running, shoe, anti this,

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anti that, and and the argument for all of it

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for me is just hearsake because everyone just says like, well,

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our ancestors didn't have shoes, and I'm like, yeah, our

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ancestors didn't fly in airplanes, our ancestors didn't shower, and

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those aren't doesn't mean they're bad, right, So what is

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your take? And I think it's really prevalent to the

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hybrid athlete, which is like just the popular term of

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someone who gets off the couch and also likes to

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live weights, but it's someone that you know does maybe

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a little running. I've made miles Sunday of thing, so

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I try to run a mile every Sunday so I

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don't die. Yeah, I do cardio during the week or whatever.

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But then obviously I'm a lifter, so we're not lifting

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in these, you know, yeah, ball soup ball shoes. But yeah,

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but like just to stomp around during the day, Am

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I going to die? Am I to fuck up my feet?

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Or should I look for something flat? Because that's argument, right,

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like flat shoes twenty four to seven or toe shoes?

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Yeah. Man, there's a lot of noise out there.

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Yeah, hell yeah.

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And it's confusing to sort through. I think the pendulum

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just swings back and forth, and honestly, I try not

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to overcomplicate it. I think it's it's contextual and based

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on like what you prefer, what feels good to you,

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and what your activities are, and what you've been used

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to wearing too. I think if you're used to wearing

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hokahs and you like can't even feel the ground beneath

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your feet and the shoes you've been wearing and you

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just switch suddenly and only wear barefoot shoes, like, okay,

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you might have a little bit of backlash from your

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body there. I think, you know, I like barefoot shoes.

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I like shoes like those. I think what what I

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instruct most of my clients to look for is is

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it comfortable? Does it give your foot room to breathe?

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Can you actually feel the ground? Can you articulate with

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the ground, Can you spread your toes? Yeah, I honestly

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would just I keep it to those things.

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That's a good simple tip.

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You know.

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I do feel like shoes have adjusted gym and I

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Jim probably more than me now as a wide foot,

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but I've had a wide ass foot. My dad always

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had to get custom, not custom, but you know, the

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triple d's and we're not talking titties or whatever the

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e or whatever it is for e from Yeah. Yeah,

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my dad's something crazy like that. Yeah, and mine's pretty

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fat and so growing up, I played basketball, So I

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just wore basketball shoes, which was like cool at the time.

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Now basketball shoes aren't cool or whatever the kids are doing.

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But I had to wear I wore Adidas a lot

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because Adidas are the only thing that were slightly wide. Yeah,

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and I'm double socking because you're playing you know, twelve

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hours of basketball they or whatever. But I have seen

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recently and I just couldn't fit Nikes. I just couldn't

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fit them. But I feel like they have gone slightly

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wider because I wear a decent amount of Nikes now

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and I doubt my foot got less fat.

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As fat as America is.

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I can't understand why. Yeah, the most common shoe with

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is D, like single D, and people have to like size.

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Up and wear clown shoes. Like I don't understand it.

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I do think, and it literally fat. Like I could

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tell when I'm like too oney and over, I'm like

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an eleven eleven and a half shoe, and when I'm

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like two ten and under, I can feel like a

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ten and a half eleven. Interesting and so like, let alone,

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if you're you know, three bills, which isn't uncommon, like

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they're there, that's definitely gonna play a role in what

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the fuck your foot's doing.

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Oh yeah, because it I mean over time is in

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gravin you get to spread your foot out.

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I mean, unless it's being locked in by a narrow shoe.

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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, not to sound crazy racist, but

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wasn't that like that's like a Chinese thing, right, Like they'll.

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They're like drink your foot and lotus foot.

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Yeah yeah, they just like purposely block it in.

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Yeah, because then you can only walk like yeah, and

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you can't run.

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Oh that being maybe the big biggest part of it.

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You can't run away?

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Is that on purpose?

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Yeah, that's crazy, a little subjugation, that's crazy.

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I'm doing that for my kids for sure. Your little

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ship little shit can't run away and lock his ankles up.

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Flat feeds another one. People talk a lot of shit

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on and I have a one anecdotal experiment where my

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feet are flat as shit and I've never twisted my

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ankle bad enough to miss a game in my life. Yeah.

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I swear it's a superpower, you know what, man?

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I think That's another thing is like the demonization of

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flat feet or like high arches.

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Or whatever it is.

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I think like people's feet come in all kinds of

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different shapes and stuff. Well I look for is like

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can your foot move, you know, for you like if

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you have flat feet, but you can actually pronate and

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soupin it and get in the positions that you need

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to do what you're doing in the gym or in life,

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you're gonna be great.

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But if you could have high arches, you could have

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flat feet.

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But if you can't move, if your foot is locked up,

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then I think that's where people are ont of the problems.

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I think it's the same thing as the demonization of

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the butt wink. It's just how some people move anteriorly

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rotated pelvises. Yet that's a way that people are built.

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It's like, yeah, there's some things that we cannot fix,

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Like why concentrate on the way people actually actually move

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and the efficiency there as opposed to like some ideal

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and trying to make everybody exactly the same.

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Yeah, I don't know why that was a thing for

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so long. Like everyone's squat form is supposed to look

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the same, but like women and men's femurs are going

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to be like six inches different, you know, like of

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course it's going to look different, or like yeah, you're back,

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you know, or your hips your hip angle and a

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squat changing so drastically, which people have slowly gotten over

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at least in our world that kind of understand it.

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But to the outside world now again, like training kind

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of like a gen pop. Like my client agents into

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lifting and he understands what's going on a little bit,

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but the people watching him are just so clueless. And

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so I'm like rehearing myths that I didn't I thought

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were gone. Yeah, you know, general or more specific like

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stuff like that, like lifting making you slow and bulky,

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and you know, like just like the most basic stuff.

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I'm like, man, we've come so far, but we have

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so far to go still in terms of like what

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the general US has a clue about health and fitness.

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It's crazy, I know.

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And I think it's a lot of the verbiage you

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see out there too. It's like fix your antior public till.

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It's just like what you see circulated around and then

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it gets implanted in people's minds, like this is something

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that is wrong with me when most people are walking

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around with some sort of anti your public till, and

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it's like a perfectly natural position. It's just like, can

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you access the opposite into the spectrum? Yeah, it's all

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kind of the same.

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I was so lucky to have a really good strength coach.

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Shout out to Dean Durham, who's basically Kyle's like godfather

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and We didn't know that until I met Kyle eight

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years ago and my strength coach, I know, since seventh grade,

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so like twenty five years ago. And he just called

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it like power butt because like every running back, like

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because every running back is kind of like that. A

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lot of gymnasts are kind of like that. And I

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just was always kind of tilted like that. He's like, yeah, man,

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like does it hurt? I was like sometimes my low

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back locks up. He's like, all right, we'll just like

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get as stronger and as long as you're good, I'm

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like all right, and then I was good. You know,

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like if you went to some crazy dude who's stuck

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in books all day, they're trying to get you perfectly

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chylepractor and not talk shit. A lot of Cairo, you know,

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they're trying to like crack my back straight, and I'm like, well,

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that's not gonna work. Like I don't think it works

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that way, you know man.

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In case people didn't get it passive physical therapists.

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So yeah, and I you know, shout out. Jordan's like

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there's a lot of really good Cairos that I'm friends with,

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but it's just as a whole, you know, it's slim

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pickens of of what they believe or not. I don't

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know if you know Jordan shallow muscle dock, but Jordan's

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you know, very well read, very very well experienced where

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he's actually coaching people and a lot of different mobilities.

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So there are some good ones out there for sure.

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But in same with PTS, you know, not the wreck

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of your world. There's a lot of dudes that just

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won't have you lift right, like I got all these

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issues or you're old or whatever. They're just having you

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bossu ball all day thinking that's going to fix an issue,

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you know, or roll your foot on a golf ball

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fix some issues, and that's obviously not going to fix

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it either.

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You know, there's good and bad in both disciplines, and

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I think it like whether you're at cairo PT, I

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think your role is to to give someone the tools to,

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you know, do the thing that they want to independently.

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And if you're creating dependence there and you're like, all

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I'm gonna do is crack your back or like give

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you soft tissue work and you just have to keep

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coming back to me, and you're not actually learning how

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to do this autonomously. Then that's I think a disservice

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and that's why I have a problem.

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I I should mention at this point that we have

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literally literally three physical therapists as members in the gym,

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and over the course of the gym we've had five.

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We also have a urologist, which is it's just interesting

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as well, but they're all jacked. And like I think,

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if you're you're looking for, if you're looking for a

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physical therapist.

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Or or a chiropractor or whatever, part of what you're

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looking for is is.

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The walk the walk and part and obviously you're looking

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for somebody who's intelligent and insightful and and and well.

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Educated and all that. But the walk the walk thing

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is big. It's it's huge.

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And I mean, speaking of huge, your arms are huge.

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We should just talk about that now.

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Yeah, what route did you go? Because even me growing up,

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I think you're a little bit younger of me. I

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think my sister wanted to be a PT, and everyone,

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like I knew want to be a PT. But that

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was like you're in a hospital dealing with people that

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like maybe broke a hip or they're really old and

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they're just trying to figure it out. But as I

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got into the industry in like twenty I guess nine,

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and met some people even like the Starets and other

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people that were more performance. Basically start to realize like, oh,

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they're much closer or there's a section of them much

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closer to what I'm into, strength and conditioning or athletes

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or performance. What was your first introduction and maybe where

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did your career go, Like why'd you want to get

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into it? And then where did your career go in

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terms of that kind of clientele.

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Yeah, I actually started off as an architecture major in college.

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PT wasn't even on the radar.

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Man that was a backup for me, was it? Yeah?

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For sure? Yeah, yeah, I love I love architecture.

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Yeah, I got a lot of friends are in the

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industry mat respect. But I did a year and I

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was like, this isn't for me. I'd always I start

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of lifting in high school because I was just puny

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and like didn't want to get destroyed in football. So

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I kind of had that in the back of my

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mind and heard about PT. I had a couple friends

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in kinesiologies like oh, I'll give it a try. Started

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working at the clinic, Like Okay, I could see myself

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doing this. So went to pt school, still carried on

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the lifting, and then about like a year out of school,

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I was burnt out, had done some travel therapy insurance

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based like clinic work. I was like, you know this,

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I just don't see this for myself. So like, you know,

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let's let's dive into like the gym here like this.

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These are the people who I'm passionate about treating because

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it's you know, things that I've dealt with myself with

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injuries in the past. So started working with you know, bodybuilders, powerlifters,

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explored both of those realms myself, and now here we are,

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I'm working with pretty much only people who are lifting

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in some capacity and just trying to get back to

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where they want to be in the gym.

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So and your all of your practices online?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I have my own business up in Seattle where I

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was living up until I joined the gym. Came down

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here year and I was working with with bodybuilders and

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power lookers and gym athletes in person.

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And then I got on with UH doctor Susie Spurlock out.

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Of South Carolina, and we're purely online rehab and fitness

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coaching at this point. So yeah, pretty much all online

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at this point except for a couple in person clients.

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So if if someone is in the position where they

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are participating in inactivity, a physical activity, and they have

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some kind of thing that they're trying to resolve, an

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injury or some you know, some condition they were born

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with or whatever whatever, whatever, like, what should they be

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looking for in in a in a practitioner, either online

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or in person. But online is more of a challenge,

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I think, because you don't because you don't you can't

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like physically assess the person, and you don't know the

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dynamic is different.

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I guess.

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Yeah, they all got chat GPT right in their marketing

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all the marketing excused your gold.

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Oh my god.

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Just just a aside. My son was telling us the

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other day that he works in IT. He's a software engineer,

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and he said that that they were in an interview

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panel the other day interviewing somebody for a job, and

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it was so clear that this person was was had

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chat GPT on voice to text and they were reading

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off the answers that they were.

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Oh it's getting weird to ask YEA. Yeah, I was

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just talking to Kirby, one of remembers, and she's like

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like she's taking a couple of classes for whatever in college,

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and she's like the teachers are like more worried about

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if my my essays like AI than like what I

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put in there. And I swear I read an article

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I should have found it where because you can like

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upload something. They'll say like, oh, this is ninety seven

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percent chance. I swear there was like a test someone

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throw in like Shakespeare or the Bible or something, and

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it like read really high AI. And we're like all right,

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like because that's the stuff that was fed in. Yeah, right,

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And you're like we're not there yet, so like, yeah,

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it's good causing issues for sure. Already it's crazy, man,

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in your world just to help like a lot of

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diagnosis stuff people are chucking in there, even my world

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are like real estate and stuff. You just throw numbers

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at it and it analyzes them like a motherfucker, like

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so fast and so clean. Yeah.

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I think it has a lot of utility. I think

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it still hasn't quite caught up, yeah to what we're

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doing for five.

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Job security.

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The soft skills, the soft skills are always going to

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be there, especially in health and human interaction. That's where

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I'm pretty confident in the fitness game too. And what

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you do, like if because you can google the answers

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for the last twenty years on how to fix my

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knee pain, but you're not going to do it. You're

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not gonna do it correct, and you're not going to

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stay with it. So like what you do is yeah,

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I think safe, buddy.

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Cut yeah, game for you?

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Yeah, Yeah, I think honestly, I think it's the soft

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skills that set people online and in person coaches apart.

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Like it is this.

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Person who you're working with, someone who listens to you,

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who adapts your program based on your knees and not

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just giving you some cookie cutter bullshit you know that

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anything anybody could give you or that you could get.

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From chat GPT.

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Yeah, I think just just having someone who listens to you,

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who like is consistently checking in with you. I think,

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honestly that's one of That's what I enjoy about online

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or virtual coaching is when I was in the clinic,

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like you could maybe I see you know, Bob once

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every two weeks and there's no communication between and I'm

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giving him a handout and he's you know, I'm trusting

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him to do it for two weeks and then he

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comes back in two weeks, and a lot could have

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changed without me being able to help him in the

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in between. And so like being able to actually communicate

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with people on a daily basis and update their program

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based on how they're feeling and give him advice and

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that kind of thing I think is a big advantage

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with with online coaching.

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I think It's been probably six seven eight years since

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I worked with a physical therapist for anything before I

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started to work with you.

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And I don't know.

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Some of it is definitely that technology is in a

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different spot than it was then. Even then, I myself

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was available, but it wasn't like so commonly used. But like, uh,

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working with you has been great because like we have

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a conversation, you do a assessment, you show me some

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exercise stuff, and then you follow up and you give

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me a program and you give me all the videos

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that show how to do it correctly. And that I mean,

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I got like xerox pieces of paper before, and I'm

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carrying around the gym trying to figure out how to

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how to stay up with it, and I am sometimes

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a terrible patient, and I and in the past have

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have had a real challenge keeping up with exercises and

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you know, like just being consistent about it, which has

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not been truth.

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This time at all. And I'm getting better, so go figure.

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Yeah, that's what I don't think people understand on like

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the professional side of things, because coaching PT fitness has

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become such like an online business. So like maybe it's

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just my algorithm, but I think it's pretty prominent where

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like everyone's just trying to teach you how to scale

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to a seven figure every now and that's everywhere, that

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Sebos's world. That's content creation. That's just like and it's

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just like money goal, money goal, money goal. And not

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to sound like some you know, enlightened fuck that I am,

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but you know, like you just won't make those seven

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figures if you hate what you do. And so like

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as a coach, as a whatever not side tangent. But

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I talk to Chris our Barbera a long time ago

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in this conversation stuck in my head. I think most

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high schools do it, but mine did a bunch of

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like personality tests and like what you're good at tests?

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And you know, are you good with groups or big

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project small projects? And I never understood it because I'm sixteen, right,

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and then looking back our barber like he didn't mean

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to sound so like smart, but he did. He's like,

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I get to see like a messy project and I

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fixed like a good project every half hour. Right, you

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come in with shitty air, you leave looking good, and

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that feels good every half hour. I'm like, dude, that's

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like what's missing in what I need because like entrepreneurship

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is a end of your game. Personal training if you

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have a really good client, like a really good client,

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is a two year game to see some like real changes. Yeah,

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and so online coaching never felt good to me because

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like you're getting people that want the you know, the

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sugar peel to answer quick. You want the people that

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like take your program, hire you for three months, and

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then disappear and just run that program over and over.

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And I'm like, dude, like like you just said, like

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the program isn't the sauce, Like I'm the sauce, you know,

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like you need to be with me, and this is true.

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You know, I'll take anyone's problem, Like you could have

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an eighth grader ride a workout program, and I'm gonna

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coach that to someone better than the program is like

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that the x's and o's not that they don't matter,

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but you can build muscle with sets of fifty and

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we can build muscle with sets a three, Like it

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matters much less than what I can like give you.

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And so it's cool that you have clients that like

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text you all the time or message you all the time,

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because that really is for you and them like the

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key to success. Then even my new gig coaching agent,

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like they just feels so much better, just like being

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on the road with them and like being able to

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actually make a change, which you obviously can't do with

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every client. It's the travel coaches is a privilege. Yeah,

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it doesn't always happen for most folks, but but it

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is the way to make shit happen. Yeah, you know

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it's the way, and he knew it and that's why

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he's like, man, I got to lock in my health,

467
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like business is going crazy, Like just like stay on

468
00:21:21.799 --> 00:21:24.920
my side. Then if you can get that in your

469
00:21:24.960 --> 00:21:27.200
pocket on a phone and both parties are there to

470
00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:30.079
problem solve, it can work for sure.

471
00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:32.839
One percent the accountability piece, Yeah, and then communication too.

472
00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:35.279
I mean I can I can predict pretty quickly off

473
00:21:35.279 --> 00:21:37.160
the bat, working with someone like are you going to

474
00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:38.799
be as successful as you could be based on how

475
00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:39.720
well you're communicating?

476
00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:41.960
Well, that's what the client doesn't understand, is like communication

477
00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:45.160
like they're they're they're spot one. I'm not going to

478
00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:46.839
chase you down. I'm not going to text you every

479
00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:49.359
day agent I do. I just send him a voicemail.

480
00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:51.680
But he's like my you know, it's like my little

481
00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:55.200
son at this point. But like everyone else, like, yeah,

482
00:21:55.279 --> 00:21:57.160
online coaching. I give him a program and then I

483
00:21:57.200 --> 00:22:00.799
don't hear somebody for three weeks. Like that's on you, bro,

484
00:22:01.079 --> 00:22:03.480
Like I told you, hit me up with anything, send

485
00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:05.400
me the videos. I'm not going to chase you down,

486
00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:07.720
you know. And that I guarantee we could find a

487
00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:11.039
correlation of success based on how often they they message

488
00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:13.240
you with their pain, how how often they messaged you

489
00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:18.519
about success towards whatever goal, strength, coal, fitness goal. I

490
00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:20.720
guarantee it goes up exponentially if they just.

491
00:22:20.799 --> 00:22:21.559
One hundred percent.

492
00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:28.640
Yeah, let me ask you this question.

493
00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:29.839
How do you deal with.

494
00:22:31.240 --> 00:22:34.640
Clients who are impatient about change?

495
00:22:35.119 --> 00:22:35.359
Oh?

496
00:22:35.440 --> 00:22:41.279
Yeah, every human everybody, everybody, everybody especially pain. Yeah, like

497
00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:43.279
everyone wants to get fit fast, but pain, Like you

498
00:22:43.319 --> 00:22:45.839
want out that bitch, And if you're a competitive person,

499
00:22:45.880 --> 00:22:47.480
you want back on the field, you want back on

500
00:22:47.480 --> 00:22:49.359
the core, you want back on the platform.

501
00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:52.680
It's tough, man, because a lot of times, especially with

502
00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:54.480
the number of the clients I'm working with right now,

503
00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:57.480
there's there's a lot of chronic pain, like they've been

504
00:22:57.480 --> 00:22:59.200
dealing with it for quite some time, and it's it's

505
00:22:59.279 --> 00:23:01.799
unreasonable to spec that like within two months of working

506
00:23:01.799 --> 00:23:02.519
with and we were just going to.

507
00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:04.920
Completely reverse out of eight years of back pain, you know.

508
00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:10.359
So I think setting expectations and really communicating, which they

509
00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:12.119
a lot of them already know deep down, like this

510
00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:13.519
is going to be a long game, Like it is

511
00:23:13.559 --> 00:23:15.759
going to take us a while, So let me show

512
00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:17.240
you the roadmap for how we're going to get there,

513
00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:18.960
Like this is where you are right now, this is

514
00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:21.880
the steps anticipate us taking. Let's set some short term

515
00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:26.359
goals and some short term checkpoints to keep that motivation

516
00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:27.759
and keep you going long enough to.

517
00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:28.920
Actually see the results.

518
00:23:29.359 --> 00:23:32.720
And honestly, I think that's where like the program and

519
00:23:32.759 --> 00:23:35.039
the more holistic approach come in, Like even if maybe

520
00:23:35.079 --> 00:23:37.519
we're treating your back pain, but you're also trying to

521
00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:39.640
get your first pull up, like let's leverage that, let's

522
00:23:39.640 --> 00:23:42.440
work on these other other things to just like keep

523
00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:44.519
you in the game long enough to actually win the game.

524
00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:47.240
So that's smart. I mean that's why I got into powerlifting,

525
00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:49.920
Like I was personal training or whatever strength conditioning, but

526
00:23:50.279 --> 00:23:53.880
like to have strength goals beside you trying to dunk

527
00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:56.440
or something like major that you may never hit or

528
00:23:56.599 --> 00:23:58.960
is just really fucking hard. Yeah, you know, like if

529
00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:00.960
you say, all right, you did two twenty five, we

530
00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:03.000
get you to seventy five in three months. Now we

531
00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:06.519
can hit that, and then you actually have versus even

532
00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:09.640
physique goals. My bodybuilding is so hard. Is like to

533
00:24:09.680 --> 00:24:11.880
get a six pack takes a year, you might not

534
00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:14.039
get there. To like build an inch on your bicep

535
00:24:14.119 --> 00:24:16.599
might take five years. Yeah, you know, and then you

536
00:24:16.720 --> 00:24:18.799
got to measure it, like you know, it's just like

537
00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:20.880
not in your face, Like it's not in your face, right,

538
00:24:20.920 --> 00:24:23.079
but like I see I'm adding more weight. I feel

539
00:24:23.079 --> 00:24:25.440
I'm adding more weight. It just makes a lot of sense.

540
00:24:25.960 --> 00:24:29.000
Yeah, I think that there's there's intellectual knowledge and then

541
00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:32.279
there's like emotional knowledge, like the things that you know

542
00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:34.880
you could take it as a given that things are

543
00:24:34.920 --> 00:24:38.359
gonna take a period of time, But damn if the

544
00:24:38.359 --> 00:24:43.519
emotional part of it isn't like anxious and frustrated with

545
00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:45.960
the amount of time that you know it's gonna take,

546
00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:48.599
and there's like no way to not feel that.

547
00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:49.480
All you can do is.

548
00:24:49.480 --> 00:24:52.200
Figure out, you know, with whoever you're working with, how

549
00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:54.559
to tamp it down and how to redirect it.

550
00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:57.759
That's the toughest part, man, It's the emotional piece. And honestly,

551
00:24:58.319 --> 00:25:01.079
I would say even more than like pain being an enemy, it's.

552
00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:02.279
It's fear for a lot of people.

553
00:25:02.440 --> 00:25:04.359
Yeah, like they've just especially if you've been dealing with

554
00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:06.680
pain for a long time, like you've become so fearful

555
00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:08.680
of certain movements or things that you know where triggers

556
00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:12.079
that breaking down those barriers, and like the emotional trigger

557
00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:14.440
that comes with that is really tough, and a lot

558
00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:17.119
of times it was on to like reframing pain is like, hey,

559
00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:20.119
this is a signal from your body. Sometimes it's not

560
00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:22.839
always accurate, Like it doesn't always equal damage, right, Like

561
00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:24.960
maybe your nervous system is super revved up because you've

562
00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:26.680
been dealing with this so long and you know you're

563
00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:28.759
locked down and guarding and your brain's just trying to

564
00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:32.359
protect you. But yeah, the emotional piece is key.

565
00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:35.880
How do you deal with that side? Like I've dealt

566
00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:38.200
with it forever as a coach because I coach basketball

567
00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:45.680
and obviously fitness for fuck seventeen years. Like hypochondria, like

568
00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:47.920
like obviously that's like a real diagnosis, but you know

569
00:25:47.960 --> 00:25:49.480
what I mean, Like yeah, man, because I was just

570
00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:52.200
totally like yo, Like pain doesn't mean injury, you know,

571
00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:54.839
like yeah, my shit always hurts. I'm about to be

572
00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:58.480
thirty seven, Like my deadlifted forever, Like my shit hurts,

573
00:25:58.519 --> 00:26:02.079
but injury like we're calling a doc, you know. And

574
00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:04.680
like if you never played physical sports growing up, which

575
00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:06.359
is common. You know a lot of people are into

576
00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:08.440
the gym now who didn't really play sports and they're

577
00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:10.880
just finding their stuff. Or if you played you know,

578
00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:13.079
a soft sport like sebos and you play baseball and

579
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:15.839
you're not hitting dudes, you don't know what like pain is,

580
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:19.680
you know versus like oh shit, like I need to

581
00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:22.640
sit down, my ankle is broken. You know. Yeah, how

582
00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:23.759
do you deal with some of that? Because I'm sure

583
00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:26.200
you're getting calls all the time, especially powerlifters. No offense

584
00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:28.920
to all you softies, like you know, they'll tweak something

585
00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:34.200
or like, yeah, like I got muscle spasms every training block,

586
00:26:34.359 --> 00:26:36.400
you know, when my back's just angry at me because

587
00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:40.279
I'm deadlifting insane volume. But I know my back isn't broken,

588
00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:42.240
you know, but people don't know that.

589
00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:43.640
Yeah.

590
00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:46.759
I think when there is a situation where there's a

591
00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:48.880
lot of fear and a lot of just like avoidance

592
00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:51.720
of a certain movement, Like it's all about finding the

593
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:53.440
entry point is what we call. Like we're trying to

594
00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:55.400
get back to squadding, Like back squadding is super scary

595
00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:58.599
for you right now, Like what's the most regress the

596
00:26:58.599 --> 00:27:01.200
most progressed version of regression of that that you can

597
00:27:01.240 --> 00:27:03.759
tolerate right now? That feels safe and you can see, Okay,

598
00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:05.880
this is how I'm building towards that. And it's a

599
00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:07.960
lot of times it's just putting constraints on movement to

600
00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:11.000
just like and like building volume there, building comfort there,

601
00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:13.519
adding load, adding range of motion, whatever it is. And

602
00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:15.559
once they start to see that momentum and they get

603
00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:19.000
a couple repetitions, they get exposure to that movement and

604
00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:20.839
they can see, oh, I am capable of doing this,

605
00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:22.960
Like my back's not gonna break. Then then it kind

606
00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:25.559
of you know, generates that momentum because.

607
00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:27.400
Like you said, the misinformation is just as big there,

608
00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:30.880
like axial load's gonna you know, the spine can only

609
00:27:31.720 --> 00:27:33.839
you can only do one hundred crunches in your lifetime

610
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:36.599
before a disc flops. Oh my god, you're gonna split

611
00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:39.960
a disc. Deadlift in like it's everywhere, and again going

612
00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:42.119
back to like my most recent experience, like everyone's just

613
00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:43.839
throwing shit at you like that looks so bad for

614
00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:46.279
your back, Like we still believe in that, like there's

615
00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:49.319
just no way or or yeah, a little bit around

616
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:51.119
it in that bag. You better watch out. That disc

617
00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:53.559
is gonna fly out. I'm like, dud, I don't think so,

618
00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:58.039
Like I literally don't. I don't know. I've probably coach

619
00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:01.799
five thousand people on how to deadlift. You know. We

620
00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:04.279
used to do seminars in a weekend with hundreds of people,

621
00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:08.200
and I think maybe once I had a person like

622
00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:10.920
kind of drop a bar and grab their back. Yeah,

623
00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:13.559
and even that was probably you know, an erector cramping

624
00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:16.319
or something. Yeah, because your back is scary. Like I've

625
00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:18.880
had some muscle spasms that lasted a month and like

626
00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:21.079
I couldn't shit for three days, you know, like, and

627
00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:23.160
I thought I was dying too, Like I've been there,

628
00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:26.599
you know, rolling out of bed like I'm eighty years old. Like,

629
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:29.119
but I also didn't go to the doctor because I

630
00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:32.799
knew I didn't break my back. Yeah, but the.

631
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:36.200
Lower back pump is something that people are not used

632
00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:38.880
to when they start deadlifting, and so it suddenly becomes

633
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:41.200
oh my god, I've heard myself. It's like, no, actually

634
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:43.680
you haven't. If you stand around for a few minutes,

635
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:46.559
it's gonna go away. It's gonna it's gonna resolve.

636
00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:47.960
I think I was lucky there. I used to get

637
00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:52.039
that just from running again with like that anterior tilt

638
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:54.559
and might like just muscle butt, Like I would always

639
00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:56.920
get a low back cramp running, So I knew that

640
00:28:56.960 --> 00:28:59.759
pain from like seventh grade. It is hurt, you know,

641
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:02.960
like we always just used to like no, homo, just

642
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:04.880
like knee on the ground, Like you just get on

643
00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:07.160
your knees and fucking that's the only way to relieve

644
00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:10.559
your low back pain. Yeah, it's crazy. Man.

645
00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:12.960
Going back to what you said about the misinformation, I

646
00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:17.160
think like words matter and people will remember that stuff,

647
00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:19.039
you know, especially if they hear it from a provider,

648
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:20.680
but even if they see it on Instagram, like oh,

649
00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:22.880
deadlifting will blow up your back or whatever. I saw

650
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:25.920
a guy in Seattle chronic back pain for like five years.

651
00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:27.279
He was so scared to.

652
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:29.720
Bend his spine because he'd been told by anymous providers

653
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:33.240
like don't flex your spine, like, don't lift in the exposition,

654
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:35.319
Like you have to lift with this perfectly neutral spine.

655
00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:37.720
It's like, bro, there's no such thing as a neutral spine.

656
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:39.240
Like even when you think you're keeping that, there is

657
00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:40.359
some amount of flextion there.

658
00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:42.039
And that's why your back hurts is you haven't moved

659
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:45.279
it brow exactly. I think he's supposed to breathe a

660
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:45.880
little bit.

661
00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:47.839
I know, And so every time he try and go

662
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:50.119
back into loading, he'd flare out because he had no

663
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:53.599
capacity for anything outside of this one curated tension position.

664
00:29:55.960 --> 00:30:00.359
Yeah, what do you think about I mean we're talking aboutasically,

665
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:02.519
paranoia and avoidance whatever.

666
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:04.720
The effect of imaging.

667
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:09.759
Yeah, man, that's that's a big one.

668
00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:13.839
I think I think a lot of like back or

669
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:16.440
just go with backpains, talking about that it's over medicalized,

670
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:18.640
you know, like imaging is over prescribed, and I think

671
00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:20.720
it can be really useful right to rule out like

672
00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:23.400
something truly sinister, you know, like a caught out winer,

673
00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:25.240
like something where you're like, Okay, we need some medical

674
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:31.359
intervention here. But I mean the the prevalence of asymptomatic findings,

675
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:33.240
like things that would be considered it abnormal on an

676
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:36.160
MRI xtra is pretty common in people who don't have pain.

677
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:37.720
Like I bet if you pull up my MRI right now,

678
00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:38.359
find some.

679
00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:41.279
Job, yeah, my disks or floating.

680
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:44.440
But the correlation there just just it just isn't there,

681
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:47.079
you know, And I think it sometimes it can almost

682
00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:49.240
do more harm than good to see that and then

683
00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:50.839
you're like, oh, I'm broken.

684
00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:52.799
But it's just not the.

685
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:55.559
Case, especially the back. Everyone's talking about sciatica and everyone's

686
00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:58.559
talking about discs, you know, like every single time when

687
00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:01.319
you're mentioning deadlifting in a low back pain and you

688
00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:02.759
probably know the stat better of me, But it's not

689
00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:05.559
like over the age of forty, like fifty percent of

690
00:31:05.559 --> 00:31:06.599
people are going to have a disc.

691
00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:08.920
So yeah, it's crazy. Every decade it goes up.

692
00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:10.160
And I think, but you know, by the time year

693
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:12.279
later in life, like most people are going to have

694
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:13.960
something on an X rayer, and like.

695
00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:16.720
You said, it's probably asymptomatic. Like I know, I know

696
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:19.519
because I've had imaging and yeah, I like two discs

697
00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:21.960
gone in like my early twenties. Yeah, I just played

698
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:25.039
hard basketball, and yeah they don't really hurt. Yeah, Like

699
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:27.400
I do get back pain obviously like every other human

700
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:30.319
when you dead loot real heavy, but like day to day,

701
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:31.279
my back feels great.

702
00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:38.160
Yeah, yeah, you know, I know I have two lovebar

703
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:40.200
discs that are not happy. I have two cervical discs

704
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:43.079
that are not happy. But that happened before I started powerlifting, right,

705
00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:45.480
this is you know, twenty plus years ago that I

706
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:48.480
got that imaging, and and yeah I had I had

707
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.240
those problems. But honestly, in the time that I've been powerlifting,

708
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:55.960
the amount of time that my my lower back has

709
00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:57.960
been any kind of a problem.

710
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:02.960
Is just just a small frack shit compared to compared

711
00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:03.519
to before.

712
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:07.440
Yeah, just like astonishing difference.

713
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:10.480
I mean, you look at Americans and they're literally probably

714
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:12.400
working on their couch now, which is worse than a

715
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:14.960
desk because they're working at home, right, Scushyer. They're in

716
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:17.799
a bad position and they probably average we could look

717
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:19.279
it up, sob us might even look it up like

718
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:21.799
the average American steps. I bet you it's below like

719
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:24.480
three k oh, yeah, I bet yeah. And so like

720
00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:27.759
you wonder again why your back's hurting, Like the only

721
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:29.880
thing that's ever fixed into my back pain when I

722
00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:32.400
was like really powerlifting was Yeah, like riding my bike

723
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:35.880
and walking made all my pain go away.

724
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:38.720
Just getting movement and just getting cute inputs to that.

725
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:41.799
Yeah, you have no blood, no stimulus, no nothing. I'm

726
00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:45.960
sleeping in shit positions. You're sitting in shit positions, Like, yeah,

727
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:48.119
if you do that eighty percent of your time, it's

728
00:32:48.119 --> 00:32:49.079
probably gonna fucking hurt.

729
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:49.559
One thousand.

730
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:53.200
I don't trust fucking five thousand. Seems like that's entire

731
00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:55.440
shit because I know I'm laziest shit, and I get

732
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:58.559
about three thousand. If I'm not trying, I'll get three thousand.

733
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:01.279
That that actually brings up that this is a side point,

734
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:04.519
but it's it's worth throwing out there. It really makes

735
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:08.240
me crazy when I see influencers are not influencers. People

736
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:12.000
who are supposed to be, you know, like theoretically knowledgeable

737
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:13.960
or about whatever, saying oh, you don't need cardio.

738
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:16.079
It's like, yeah, you fucking do good luck.

739
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:19.400
You need cardio. You need cardio because cardio.

740
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:23.319
Helps your heart healthy. I'm sorry.

741
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:25.279
Yeah, I mean that's just getting It's not gonna kill

742
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:27.799
your gates. That's just getting getting worse because people are

743
00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:31.920
less experienced, you know, they just regurgitate what they hear

744
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:33.960
on the internet. We're back in the day, like the

745
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:38.200
first ten fitness YouTubers all like had coaching experience, like

746
00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:42.799
Omar ran a company, like obviously we coached our whole lives,

747
00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:44.880
Like even Scooby. I don't know if you guys remember

748
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:45.720
shouting up Scooby.

749
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:46.720
Scooby's popped back up.

750
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:50.000
Yeah, he just went viral, you know, Scooby. It's he's

751
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:53.200
like now, he's probably maybe sixty, but he's like pretty

752
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:56.200
fucking jacked. Always had like huge packs and was always shirtless.

753
00:33:56.200 --> 00:33:58.079
For some reason, he kind of looks like Bill Ny,

754
00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:00.160
the siilic guy in the face. He's like, do you

755
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:02.880
know Scooby. No, Scooby might have been the first, like

756
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:05.119
before Omar and them. Yeah, I don't know why. His

757
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:06.880
face always looks like Bill and I the science guy

758
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:09.280
to me. But he's like jacked and he talks like

759
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:11.480
really like kind of monotone or really like kind of

760
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:15.159
like a therapist, like really sweet voice. But all those

761
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:17.079
guys were like coaches, yea, and so then they you know,

762
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:19.840
started putting their coaching on the internet. But now it's

763
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:22.320
just like, yeah, how good looking are you? And then

764
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:25.199
you you're now a fitness you know, leader in the

765
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:28.039
fitness area, which doesn't help all these rumors and things.

766
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:32.280
Yeah your world too, right, Like all these random like

767
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:36.840
wannabe trainers or whatever showing their five back stretches to

768
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:39.239
never get injured or something. I'm like, well, I don't

769
00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:40.519
think that's gonna help much.

770
00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:42.239
The narratives are crazy.

771
00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:45.519
That's Scooby's Yeah, Scooby is so good.

772
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:45.880
Yeah.

773
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:47.519
I don't know why he just resurfaced. I think he

774
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:49.840
was just talking, like had like a viral clip that

775
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:52.559
just went crazy. It just looks like said, he looks

776
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:54.920
a little bit like you said. Yeah, but I think

777
00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:57.639
Scooby's big. I think Scooby's like six to two. Yeah,

778
00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:00.840
Scooby's a tank. I never met him. He's one of

779
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:02.199
the few OG's I've never met.

780
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:03.559
Yeah, I never never met him.

781
00:35:03.559 --> 00:35:05.079
I don't think he's like a big expo guy or

782
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:06.840
anything like most of those guys we made at the

783
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:08.679
Arnold or something. He hasn't been around. He's kind of

784
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:10.360
in his own Have you.

785
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:11.280
Done the expo thing?

786
00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:12.199
I haven't.

787
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:14.480
I do want to go, though, Which one would you

788
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:15.599
go to if you were gonna go to one?

789
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:16.760
Probably go to the Arnold.

790
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:20.159
Yeah, yeah, it is cool and the resurgence is pretty big. Yeah,

791
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:21.639
I haven't been to the Olympia in a while. I

792
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:24.000
might try to sneak to it this year. Yeah, Olympia

793
00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:26.800
School it's just closer to us too, But the Arnold

794
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:28.079
is is it is pretty cool.

795
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:30.480
Man is October this year? I think so.

796
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:31.920
Yeah, it might be a little bit later.

797
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:33.039
Yeah, I think that.

798
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:35.920
I actually was looking at it earlier because I thought

799
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:38.000
about maybe it's been a long time since.

800
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:38.679
I've been in the Olympia.

801
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:43.039
But the powerlifting is USPA, so yeah, I'm less enthusiastic.

802
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:46.760
But yeah, it flops back and forth there. But then

803
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:49.400
the USAPL I think still has a Arnold. Yeah, and

804
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:51.960
that's kind of like fading too, Like it's all just

805
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:55.599
powerlift is fucked, but the body buildings only getting bigger

806
00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:58.559
at the Olympia. I remember last year, like everyone was

807
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:01.440
actually at the show where when we ran the expos

808
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:03.480
circuit like the show you pay attention, like you want

809
00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:06.280
to see who won, but like everyone's buying tickets for

810
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:09.159
the show now, which is crazy. It's just so popular.

811
00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:11.679
Yeah yeah, out of nowhere, not out of nowhere. But

812
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:16.119
I feel like since COVID, like bodybuilding competitively is more

813
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:17.559
jet and pop than ever.

814
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:19.480
Yeah, I mean you got like Sea bomb and I

815
00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:21.239
think it's looking all these guys just driving it.

816
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:22.960
Yeah, I think it's Sea Bump for sure, because it

817
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:25.280
got away from it, right, Like the average person can't

818
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:28.159
even relate to Ronnie Coleman, can't even relate to Phil Heath.

819
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:30.840
You know, you see Seabumb, You know, Seabumb's not that

820
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:33.239
far off from like Lebron when he was his most jacked.

821
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:35.119
You know, he kind of looks like an athlete. You're like,

822
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:40.360
all right, maybe all you know, like, yeah, Sam's insanely popular,

823
00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:44.519
although not relatable, right, Like he's so jacked for fucking

824
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:46.880
being twenty or nineteen or where the fuck he is?

825
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:49.679
That's not blows my mind, Maneah, maybe twenty two, yeah,

826
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:53.519
probably like twenty twenty one. Yeah, that's insane. Yeah, he's

827
00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:55.480
jacked as shit? Or is he? Minnesota or some shit.

828
00:36:56.840 --> 00:36:59.000
Yeah, nowhere nothing else to do.

829
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:03.840
Jacked as Hell twenty three. Wow, yeah, did you actually

830
00:37:03.880 --> 00:37:06.599
turn pro this year? Yank did? Yeah? I know it

831
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:08.960
was like some of his first shows because he won,

832
00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:11.440
right yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah he's jacked.

833
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:12.800
That's just crazy.

834
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:16.039
So what what kind of goals you have outside of

835
00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:17.880
outside of work?

836
00:37:18.920 --> 00:37:21.719
Honestly, man, I'm a meat head at heart. I love lifting.

837
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:24.280
I feel like I've just been sampling the buffet for

838
00:37:24.320 --> 00:37:26.480
the last couple of years. Like I got started with

839
00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:29.599
like a bodybuilding show, enjoyed that, dabbled a little bit

840
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:33.559
and like have marathon marathon powerlifting, and I'm doing some

841
00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:34.559
strong man right now.

842
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:40.119
Cool to try it out? Yeah big? Oh actually cringe

843
00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:40.559
a little bit.

844
00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:44.079
Are you gonna do a strong man competition you think?

845
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:45.880
Yeah, I'm one untamed in September.

846
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:46.280
Yeah.

847
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:49.280
Allen's a good dude, a good friend, super cool guy. Yeaheah.

848
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:51.519
That's a good place to go too, Yeah, be a

849
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:54.199
good challenge even Yeah, talk about like popularity things strong Man,

850
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:56.400
I feel like, like not that popular. It was like

851
00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:58.800
going crazy for a second obviously, Like Game of Thrones

852
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.599
played a little role in it, and like Perfect Tide, right,

853
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:05.559
like when you have like the Larry Bird versus Magic Johnson, Right,

854
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:08.039
you have the Thor versus the Brian Shaw, Like it

855
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:10.360
makes things a little bit more popular. And even this year,

856
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:13.280
I think what two new faces were on the podium.

857
00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:18.280
Yeah, the winner this year first time Yeah, first time competitor.

858
00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:20.400
Yeah. I think there was probably like six guys that've

859
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:22.599
never competed before the World's Strongest Man that were in

860
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:25.679
the Yeah, in the competition this year, the guarden a

861
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:28.639
little bit, yeah, which is like great but not so

862
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:31.199
great for popularity. Right. You need those like tie ins

863
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:33.960
and you need those stories, and I feel like powerless

864
00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:36.159
things kind of in that spot too. You know, like

865
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:38.519
Russ wasn't at IPF World. It's like you just don't

866
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:41.519
have some of the stories that people need to continue

867
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:44.679
where like we said, Seabum, what do you have five

868
00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:45.639
six years straight?

869
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:47.440
Yeah, it was like every year you can expect to

870
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:48.440
see his prep and you know.

871
00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:51.079
Plus he's putting out the content to make it popular

872
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:54.960
and you kind of need that in every area for

873
00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:59.480
any real like motion in that and we're just kind

874
00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:02.239
of missing it. I guess gen fitness is there, but

875
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:07.719
then again, it's just like people being hot really though,

876
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.400
Like that's what like social media's turn into. They're more

877
00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:12.280
like models than I don't even know what they call

878
00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:15.440
themselves creators. Instagram model was the term people used to

879
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:17.119
get offended by it, but like that's literally what they

880
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:17.360
all are.

881
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:18.320
That's kind of what it is.

882
00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:20.400
Yeah, Yeah, very limited knowledge.

883
00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:22.639
When I see somebody pop up in my in my

884
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:26.159
feed that I do not follow, and they're clearly trying

885
00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:28.280
to be or they are some kind of fitness influencer,

886
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:31.400
I look at how many, how many, how many subs

887
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:34.880
they have, and then who did they follow?

888
00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:37.440
Yeah, and that tells you a lot.

889
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:39.159
Yeah, if they know what the hell's going on, Yeah,

890
00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:43.440
it tells you a whole lot. Yeah. I mean, look,

891
00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:46.039
I love hot people too, Like I'm not against it,

892
00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:49.199
but but we snuck over to Alpha Land for a

893
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:51.360
training session and I hadn't been there in like three

894
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:53.599
or four years. Shout of Guzman, Like one, he just

895
00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:56.719
upgrades his gym. He's got the twenty gyms now in

896
00:39:56.760 --> 00:39:57.239
one place.

897
00:39:57.280 --> 00:39:57.639
In sane.

898
00:39:57.679 --> 00:39:59.960
No, it's insane. I've been like three or four times

899
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:02.880
almost like every two years, and every year he just

900
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:05.679
builds more shit. And I's got like beach volleyball, like

901
00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:09.800
three outdoor gyms whatever. But every single person there is hot. Like,

902
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:13.440
there's not an ugly person in the whole building. It's crazy.

903
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:16.920
It's literally just hot people walking around and shout out

904
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:18.920
to them. They really do train there too, because you

905
00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:20.800
think it'd be like the Fitzo spot and they're just

906
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:22.840
doing bullshit. But people are getting after it. People are

907
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:28.159
getting after it. Can't be mad at it's.

908
00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:27.880
That's what we're trying to be here.

909
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:30.920
They're just hot. People just start rejecting members that are ugly.

910
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:32.880
It's just hot hot only.

911
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:34.119
Yeah, I'm not against it.

912
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:34.800
Hot screening.

913
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:36.800
Yeah, make it like a club. You got to be

914
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:38.199
like a seven out of ten to get in here.

915
00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:42.599
It is a little bit like a club and away

916
00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:43.800
not not like that.

917
00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:45.679
But it isn't in that, you know.

918
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:48.000
It's just we're a small gym and so people do

919
00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:50.559
have to like cooperate.

920
00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:50.840
With the program.

921
00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:54.400
Yes, socially, yeah, socially, and like you know, we're not

922
00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:57.920
we're not staff twenty four seven, but we're available twenty

923
00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:01.320
four seven. So like hoping and doors and all that

924
00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:04.000
kind of stuff that to you know, turning fans on

925
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:07.039
and off and all that stuff. People have to and

926
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:10.320
not leaving their weights everywhere, although that's becoming more of

927
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:12.199
a problem as we get more members. To be honest

928
00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:14.440
with you, I need to put up the signs that

929
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:17.119
say please put your fucking weights away.

930
00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:19.199
You're gonna have to probably interact with folks here a

931
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:19.599
little bit.

932
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:24.039
Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. Excuse me.

933
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:30.880
I was trying to think of a couple of other

934
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:33.519
things that you and I talked about. I guess let's

935
00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:37.159
flip it around and say, how what's the best way

936
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:40.440
for somebody to be coachable by an online coach?

937
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:41.480
Yoh, what's the best client?

938
00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:47.159
Yeah, it's a good question. I mean the kid to

939
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:50.280
beat a dead horse. Like the communication is key, I think,

940
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:52.920
you know, being receptive to feedback, Like I'm not just

941
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:54.039
gonna tear into you, you know.

942
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:55.239
When I build you up.

943
00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:59.559
But yeah, communication, being open and feedback, and I think

944
00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:02.719
you have to because I'm not in the room with you.

945
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:07.199
Like the importance of like comments on exercise, like completing workout,

946
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:11.280
sending me videos us doing live sessions over over zoom

947
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:16.039
or whatnot, that becomes more important just because if you're

948
00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:19.119
flying under the radar and like not sending anything, then

949
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:21.599
it's like you could be doing anything, and I'll take

950
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:22.920
no news as good news, you know.

951
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:25.400
So yeah, you think everyone's healthy and feeling great or.

952
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:29.400
Right right, And I think just just being open minded

953
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:31.599
and being willing to have that long game mindset too.

954
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:33.679
And I don't think it matters if it's fitness or PT,

955
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:35.800
like you just need to be geared up to like

956
00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:39.159
put in some work, you know. And I feel like, honestly,

957
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:41.159
half of my job these days are just undoing all

958
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:44.400
the other narratives and like quick fixed stuff that people

959
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:44.920
are hearing.

960
00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:45.840
Oh yeah, I.

961
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:48.199
Mean that's just such society, especially when it gets into

962
00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:51.079
medical like I have a boo boo, I go to doctor,

963
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:54.440
Doctor gives me band aid or pill, and tomorrow I'm

964
00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:58.320
supposed to feel better, you know. And so like fitness, money,

965
00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:02.840
everything in our brains and our cultures told us that

966
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:05.440
that's how it works, rather than like you reframe that,

967
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:10.000
like I'm going to a PT and I should see

968
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:12.239
them more as like a teacher, like all right, but

969
00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:15.199
I have to learn, so if this teacher can guide me,

970
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:18.000
but I have to take these steps, you know, schools

971
00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:21.039
like the one where we our culture although our education

972
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:23.880
systems fucked in many ways too. At least it's kind

973
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:25.480
of set up that way. You know, it's gonna take

974
00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:28.719
time or the degrees four years, a big boy degrees,

975
00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:31.320
you know, six to eight. Like, you know, I'm gonna

976
00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:33.119
have to do the work and this teacher is gonna

977
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:34.480
show me how to get there, and when I'm done,

978
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:39.400
I'll be somewhere. But when it comes to health or fitness,

979
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:42.639
ten days to get abs, you know, three small tips

980
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:44.719
to get rid of back pain, and so you're just

981
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:48.800
expecting me show up, you do job, I do nothing,

982
00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:52.280
and now I'm jacked and my back doesn't hurt, you know,

983
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:55.360
which is just so backwards because literally, obviously nothing in

984
00:43:55.400 --> 00:43:57.920
the world works that way. Besides like the lottery, and

985
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:00.320
that's obviously a big chance, but there's no then you

986
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:02.440
just show up and you just win, and you do

987
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:05.599
nothing and get results, right like in action has never

988
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:08.880
caused anything positive in the world, you know, but they

989
00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:10.199
expect it, they expect it.

990
00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:12.360
It's like this learned has sivin.

991
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:13.920
I don't even know if it's a word like passiveness,

992
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:16.159
you know, like it's just like what can what can

993
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:17.760
you do for me with the minimal amount off?

994
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:19.639
Yeah, I hire you fix me.

995
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:25.480
You know, people are afraid to do something wrong even

996
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:27.719
if they don't know, even if there's no way for

997
00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:31.480
them to know that something is wrong. They're like, if

998
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:33.920
I find out later that I took an approach that

999
00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:37.800
that that I shouldn't have taken, and even though there

1000
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:39.519
was no way I could know, there's like this whole

1001
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:44.039
guilt and shame and and and and self recrimination over

1002
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:47.760
continuing to feel fucked up somehow that happens.

1003
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:51.199
Another thing that I was talking to our friend Jacob

1004
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:52.679
Ross last week about.

1005
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:57.880
A particular issue that is in my mind right now,

1006
00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:01.280
and that's the fact that I see it here all

1007
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:04.320
the time, that that people don't like lift together the

1008
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:08.239
way that I saw, you know years ago.

1009
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:11.480
You know, people lift kind of as a team, and they.

1010
00:45:11.480 --> 00:45:13.239
Keeping their eyes on each other and all this stuff,

1011
00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:16.519
and you know, everybody's filming their lifts, but a lot

1012
00:45:16.519 --> 00:45:18.159
of the a lot of the time, they want to

1013
00:45:18.199 --> 00:45:20.559
be on their own bar so that they can shoot

1014
00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:22.800
their own stuff, so they can feed.

1015
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:23.400
It back to their coach.

1016
00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:27.880
And it seems to me that there's there's still something

1017
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:31.480
to be gained by lifting around people who were experienced

1018
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:36.039
lifters and getting their feedback as well. It's just this

1019
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:38.719
is just pet peep from I'm going. I'm working through

1020
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:40.400
it right now, I guess the best way to say it.

1021
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:44.920
No, I think I feel like, especially since COVID, there's

1022
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:47.280
just been like the people are just more isolated with

1023
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:49.199
their lifting in general too. But I think there is

1024
00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:51.920
something about just like the community and camaraderie and like

1025
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:54.920
getting feedback from other people that that's huge. I was

1026
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:57.079
in Austin this past weekend for the Coaching Up conference

1027
00:45:57.119 --> 00:45:58.679
and it was just like there was.

1028
00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:01.760
A podcast guys, Oh dope, yeah, super cool, dude. Yeah

1029
00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:04.800
they look cool. I never met them. Are they based

1030
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:07.840
out of Collective though they were?

1031
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:09.119
They're out of C four now.

1032
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:11.679
I don't know, cause I don't know Collective either, but

1033
00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:13.599
I know the guy shout out the Hills, the guy

1034
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:16.639
who started Collective, he used to be an on it. Yeah,

1035
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:19.280
and I've known him for a while. How cool. But

1036
00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:21.880
Austin's become such a fitness hub, dude.

1037
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:24.360
It was crazy. There was a there was like an

1038
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:26.480
open gym one morning and it was like, I mean,

1039
00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:28.079
the the place is nice.

1040
00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:29.880
It's not like a massive gem though, and so it

1041
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:32.360
was like hundred one hundred and fifty coaches just like

1042
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:35.519
all crammed in one space and it was like, I mean,

1043
00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:37.159
it was just insane. Yeah, but like that that like

1044
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:39.000
energy and like getting feedback from people who I'm like,

1045
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:41.320
most of these people probably know so much more than me. Yeah,

1046
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:43.480
but just a you know, even if they didn't though,

1047
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:46.119
they're just like getting that. They're not being like feedback exactly.

1048
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:50.119
Yeah that's all I got.

1049
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:53.920
Yeah, Yeah, the community things huge. I don't have any answers,

1050
00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:57.000
but I think there's some magic there that's being missed

1051
00:46:57.119 --> 00:46:58.840
and some of it might be Again, maybe I'm just

1052
00:46:58.840 --> 00:46:59.960
a hater, but I think it's a lot of people

1053
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:02.440
just like didn't grow up playing sports because you're just

1054
00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:05.920
not like used to that stuff. Like even again, like

1055
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:08.320
relying on my recent experiences, like when I got a

1056
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:10.159
chance to get the whole team together, like we got

1057
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:12.559
the tech guy, we got the operations guy, and I

1058
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:14.159
just got them all in the gym together and like

1059
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:16.639
probably our best workout yet because I got six dudes

1060
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:20.039
that work together. They literally live together basically twenty four

1061
00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:21.960
to seven, three sixty five, and you get them all

1062
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:24.719
working out together, you know, it just changes, it changes

1063
00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:27.039
the whole vibe. Like talk about team building and all that.

1064
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:30.239
There's a reason why football teams train together, you know,

1065
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:33.880
there's a reason why basketball teams trained together. And although

1066
00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:36.679
powerlifting is in individual sport, there's just no way you

1067
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:39.639
don't get better with more like minded around you. And

1068
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:42.119
obviously if you're a member here, like you get like

1069
00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:44.679
twenty percent of that being in the building, but you

1070
00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:46.639
can literally take advantage of one hundred percent of that

1071
00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:49.400
by just saying, like, Yo, you want to work in Yeah,

1072
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:51.360
you know, like you're just gonna get so much more

1073
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:53.400
of it being subots. Try to do it as much

1074
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:55.000
as we can when I'm here, and I tell that

1075
00:47:55.039 --> 00:47:57.159
around the world, Like when we first opened the gym,

1076
00:47:57.199 --> 00:47:59.159
I told all our employees, like, yo, I'm training at

1077
00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:01.920
noon every day like me, you know, and as much

1078
00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:03.559
as me and Kyle still training together as much as

1079
00:48:03.559 --> 00:48:05.800
we can. And so I've also one conditioning piece for

1080
00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:07.800
sure a week when I'm in town. Yeah, I think

1081
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:11.920
there's magic there for like not only your health, motivation, accountability.

1082
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:15.000
Right when I'm tired, Sabot's gonna force me to show

1083
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:18.320
up yea and vice versa. But then just how hard

1084
00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:20.840
you work too, Like you don't have to be crazy competitive,

1085
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:22.719
but something's gonna come out of you when you see

1086
00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:25.079
someone next to you like giving up or going harder,

1087
00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:28.079
and you want to give up. And I think that's

1088
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:31.360
the main piece that maybe America and commercial gyms are

1089
00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:32.280
missing totally.

1090
00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:34.039
Yeah, I thought I was saying last week.

1091
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:36.239
I don't think that there's anybody out there who couldn't

1092
00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:38.719
benefit from lifting in a group at least some of

1093
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:39.199
the time and.

1094
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:40.760
Having all the extra eyes on them.

1095
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:44.679
Yeah. I think it's the rare outlier that can really

1096
00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:46.400
be in their garage and be the best lift of

1097
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:48.800
all time. You know, there's the mic to share. Yeah,

1098
00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:50.599
but if he had a choice, like you, probably would

1099
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:52.159
want to be around a bunch of dope people. But

1100
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:53.960
you know, he was in the Air Force. He moved

1101
00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:55.800
to Italy for five years. You know, I think he

1102
00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:59.760
has kids, like obviously as other or even bart like

1103
00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:02.239
bar it's got kids and he's busy. But whenever I'm

1104
00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:03.599
in town, he's trying to get me there at five

1105
00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:05.840
am to train with him in his backyard gym.

1106
00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:08.519
You know, you don't like anybody enough to train with

1107
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:09.639
him at five am, But that's me.

1108
00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:11.239
I told him in the summer, I can do, but

1109
00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:14.880
like winners in Vegas are cold, it's not Yeah, I

1110
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:17.480
can't do I can't train outside the ice. Yeah, it

1111
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:18.079
was too much.

1112
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:19.639
I think we're seeing a little bit with like the

1113
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:23.000
resurgence of these run clubs. Yeah, I do like it,

1114
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:25.480
which is cool all over current And honestly, you guys

1115
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:26.800
have done a good job with that with having like

1116
00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:29.360
the community lifts after too, which I think is dope.

1117
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:32.599
Yeah, I think it's huge. I just I just know

1118
00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:37.039
it's you're more likely to enjoy the Pain's like, no

1119
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:38.760
one wants to deadlift once a week for the next

1120
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:40.599
ten years, you know, like it's not that fun in

1121
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:43.440
the moment, but if you have homies around or other

1122
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:46.559
people trying to enjoy it and make you better. And again,

1123
00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:48.199
I grew up in teams sports, so it's just what

1124
00:49:48.199 --> 00:49:50.480
I'm used to. But like, it just makes everything so

1125
00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:52.840
much more fun and easier and you're gonna end up

1126
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:55.360
working harder. So I think the more of that, and

1127
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:57.840
that's why CrossFit was so successful despite a lot of

1128
00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:00.840
its flaws for so long. And you used to go

1129
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:02.800
to across the gym and everyone was in pretty good shape,

1130
00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:04.920
you know, like that, you know, like, yeah, were they

1131
00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:08.119
the strongest. No, maybe not, And you know, again they

1132
00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:11.559
had other flaws with injuries and coaching quality or whatever,

1133
00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:15.800
but generally everyone's like getting better. Yeah, you know. And

1134
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:17.880
you go to a commercial gym and everyone's been there,

1135
00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:19.920
and you see the same dude there for seven years

1136
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:22.920
and he literally hasn't changed, you know, and so like

1137
00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:25.199
he's doing the same three sets of five on curls

1138
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:29.119
and yapping in between sets, and that's it. So the

1139
00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:31.519
more you can find yourself around folks do it.

1140
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:34.119
And it's I know, I don't think it's impossible to

1141
00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:38.679
develop community in a commercial gym, but as possible, Yeah,

1142
00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:42.039
but it's a whole lot easier in a smaller place

1143
00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:45.800
like this, where you recognize everybody, you know, at least

1144
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:46.719
most everybody.

1145
00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:49.239
Yeah, while we get walk.

1146
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:51.400
Through and don't recognize somebody at all, it's either they're

1147
00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:52.920
a new member or they're just training at the time

1148
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:54.400
of day that I'm normally not here.

1149
00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:57.800
What's uh, maybe finished off with more education thing, what's

1150
00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:01.440
like the most common problem you're dealing with when you're

1151
00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:05.400
talking to like powerlifters, bodybuilders. I know you can't give

1152
00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:07.239
like an easy fix for it, but like, yeah, what's

1153
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:09.880
the most common thing you see that's maybe a little

1154
00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:13.840
bit of dysfunction or repetition or something causing pains.

1155
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:16.519
Yeah, it's a great question. Maybe two things.

1156
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:19.880
One I think is is I like to break stuff

1157
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:23.000
down just like the balance between stress and capacity, Like

1158
00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:25.199
is the amount of capacity that your body has right now?

1159
00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:27.360
Are you consistently exceeding that with the stress you're placing

1160
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:29.639
on it both in and outside of the gym. The

1161
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:32.360
other piece I think is what I call it like

1162
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:35.039
the gap in the gap in function, So for like

1163
00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:38.360
powerlifters and body but it's just really like what are

1164
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:42.360
you not training that you're still doing in daily life,

1165
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:47.000
Like maybe for powerlifters it's like unilateral training or like

1166
00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:49.360
plios or something like all you're doing is like powerlifting,

1167
00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:51.480
and then you're going out and like I don't know,

1168
00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:54.039
snowboarding like crazy or something, and you're not like bridging

1169
00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:56.719
that gap in the qualities of your tissues, and you know,

1170
00:51:56.800 --> 00:51:59.599
maybe you're setting yourself up for something bad to happen there.

1171
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:02.960
I think both of those are huge because like I'm

1172
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:05.639
a big fan of like Eastern Bloc powerlifting type shit

1173
00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:07.639
and weightlifting that's kind of like where I use a

1174
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:09.639
lot of my methodologies, and I'm just a big fan

1175
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:12.400
of like learning from the past, you know, which seemed

1176
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:16.800
to not be as common anymore. But like every single

1177
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:19.960
weightlifter and powerlifter there is like warming up with plios,

1178
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:22.440
then they're getting into their speed work, then they're getting

1179
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:24.719
in the strength work, and then you know, maybe conditioning

1180
00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:28.000
or whatever, depending on what they're doing. The other point

1181
00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:30.159
you brought up a like capacity and whatever, I think

1182
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:32.079
is a huge topic that it's kind of like a

1183
00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:35.320
hard realization for people because powerlifting and bodybuilding is like

1184
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:38.119
a sport for everyone, right, anyone can hop in and

1185
00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:41.320
which is beautiful, yeah, but like not everyone's an athlete, right,

1186
00:52:41.360 --> 00:52:44.719
So like you can't like handle the volume Lebron James

1187
00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:46.960
is doing that. Dude's working out two hours in the morning,

1188
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:49.480
then basketball two hours, then a game at night. And

1189
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you're not a good athlete, So like you're not going

1190
00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:55.480
to deadlift six fifty, you know, so you probably can't

1191
00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:57.840
be doing the exact amount of volume the same like

1192
00:52:58.239 --> 00:52:59.960
you don't move your body well or your body can't

1193
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:04.039
handle it. But a lot of online coaches or whatever

1194
00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:06.079
coaches are feeding you the same program or the same

1195
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:08.880
volume everyone else is doing and yeah, you're probably not

1196
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gonna end well. Yeah. Or if you're a construction worker,

1197
00:53:11.920 --> 00:53:14.360
you're you know, getting capacity. If you're working another job,

1198
00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:17.039
even as a teacher, and you're just stomping around campus

1199
00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:19.079
all day and you're getting twenty thousand steps and you're

1200
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:21.400
trying to deadlift you know, a five y five or

1201
00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:24.400
whatever the crap, ye're probably not gonna end well. Yeah.

1202
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:27.199
It's like it's usually like you're either you're doing too

1203
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:29.559
much too soon and you're like underprepared for the demands,

1204
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:31.960
or like the construction worker example, like you're doing so

1205
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:33.039
much that you're recovering.

1206
00:53:33.239 --> 00:53:34.079
The recovery is.

1207
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:36.519
Just not there, you know, like you you hit a

1208
00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:40.199
certain point where it's like your your cup's spilling over,

1209
00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:42.239
you know, the coffee cup is how much you can

1210
00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:43.840
how much stress you can recover from it, and.

1211
00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:46.039
You're not sleep and you're not eating, let alone. The

1212
00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:48.639
genetic part, which is you know something people again don't

1213
00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:50.679
want to talk about, but like genetics rule all man,

1214
00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:52.800
Like you're not gonna out work it, you're not gonna

1215
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:55.920
out smart think it. Like sometimes you're just not made

1216
00:53:55.960 --> 00:53:58.880
to deadlifting and under bro like you're still deadlift, you

1217
00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:00.760
still get better. Yeah, but you're just not going to

1218
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:04.239
be on the level of what you're watching on Instagram.

1219
00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:05.239
Yeah for sure.

1220
00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:10.280
Plug away bro. Where can people find you your services? Yeah?

1221
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:11.039
Mine in person?

1222
00:54:11.039 --> 00:54:13.960
Whatever you got, Yeah, I'm on uh on Instagram at

1223
00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:14.960
ptpat Bell.

1224
00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:17.519
If you want to work with me online?

1225
00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:21.039
Where Move your BONESPT dot com. And then I also

1226
00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:23.199
do a little bit in person and I'm My company

1227
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is iron Bloom Physical Therapy.

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00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:27.000
Cool just iron BLOMPT dot com.

1229
00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:29.119
Easy, soel them mich where you all want to find me?

1230
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:32.480
New episodes Wednesday which you got subas Sebastian Underscore brand

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bl on I.

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G I am at the mcdehon all those social media.

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This show is fifty percent facts where percentage of word

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and fifty is just numbers. Fifty percent Facts is a

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speaker Prime podcast association with our art media.

1236
00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:45.119
On the Obscure Celebrity Network. And we'll talk to you

1237
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:49.000
next time. Thanks Beth.

1238
00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:51.039
Yeah, thanks guys, that's a good time.

1239
00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:52.079
Appreciate you.

1240
00:54:53.280 --> 00:55:14.119
Yeah, yeah, I bet in this bucket place figure crat

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mm hmm.