June 11, 2025

Why don’t lifters share a bar anymore? Guest: Jacob Ross

Why don’t lifters share a bar anymore? Guest: Jacob Ross
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Jacob Ross joins Jim to take on the question, “Why do so many lifters resist training in groups in the current age of powerlifting?”

We also cover Jacob’s time working with the South Sudanese Olympic Basketball team in Paris for the Olympics last year. We also share stories of gym ownership (Jacob owns Be Better Barbell with Tom Kallas outside Chicago). You can find him at @jacob.w.ross on Instagram.

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Goodness. I have to say, you're Your lighting on that

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side is is really quite flattering.

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It's oh, thank you.

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I don't know why, but it's very very natural. I'm

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like over lit over here because I'm I'm lighted for

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the other cameras and not for the not for the webcam.

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But I've got a window on this side and a

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little ring light on this side that's turned down pretty

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pretty good. But that's about it.

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That's what it is. Yeah, SeaBASS is nodding, yes, yeah, anyway, so, uh, welcome,

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welcome back, thank you, Bross on the line, just just

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the two of us today. Mike is still in Parts Unknown.

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Hmmm, he probably thought it was ten pm as well.

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No, No, he's out of town in that town for

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I don't know weeks now, probably two weeks, two weeks. Yeah,

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So I've been I've been just punting on the podcast.

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I've been bringing bringing in a guest, and just talking

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to people I want to talk to.

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So gotcha love it. Well, I missed Mike, but I'm

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super happy to talk to you.

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So you'll just have to come out here and see Mike.

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That's true, that's true, or you know, like you were saying,

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you know, both of you guys make a little road trip.

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Do like the Masonomics guys do a little road trip.

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You know, hit a few gems, do a few episodes.

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See. The difference between us and and Masonomics is that

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their apparel still makes money.

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Damn Well look, yeah, I know.

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I appreciate that. Yeah, I still wear my gear. Sorry what.

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I still wear my gear from you guys. And when

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you guys first opened up, you sent me a little

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little card that's up in our gym.

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Yeah. Cool. So you and Tom Kallis have be better Barbell.

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Yes we do.

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Yes, we do some alliteration some.

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So yeah, we just hit We just hit one year open. So,

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you know, we start our online training business like March

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of twenty twenty, right around when covid was, you know,

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really starting to rev up there. And that had nothing

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to do with the starting of that business. It was

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just you know, good timing, I guess on our part

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or luck on our part. But you know, after a

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few years of that, we started getting people who were asking,

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you know, could we ever come see you? Is there

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a place that we could train, et cetera, et cetera.

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And you know, we'd always talked about maybe doing a gym,

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and I was both inspired and a little bit horrified

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by you and Mike's story just with the trials and

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tribulations of opening a gym. And you know, I just

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told Tom was like, for me specifically, it's got to

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be a pretty specific application for it to make sense.

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It has to be something that's reasonably close to our houses.

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And then it has to be you know, affordable. In

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the worst case scenario, we can cover you know, rent

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essentially on a month a month basis, and we just

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have a really expensive home gym. But you know, and

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then two and then I guess the third thing would

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be could we equip it without you know, to have

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to take out some sort of massive loan et cetera,

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et cetera, something like that, because for us, us, you know,

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it's either it's either you do it like that or

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you go the other way, where you do take out

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a massive loan, you build a building, and you go

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all in on it. And you know, for both of

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us in terms of our lives, you know, Tom has

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his full time job as alignment, which takes you know,

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tons and tons of hours for him, and then for

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myself just traveling, I have a full time job working

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for a nonprofit. You know, I don't know that if

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I made that decision, that'd be a huge career shift

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and confident I could do it, but it would just

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that would be a massive undertaking. So we found a

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building that used to be a lawnmower repair shop. It's

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like seven minutes from my house. It's about a minute

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and a half from tom Oh wow, And and you

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know it's not that big, but literally, we signed the

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lease on a Saturday and by Monday morning, we had

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everything in there except for a full rack of dumb

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that's the only thing we didn't have. So flooring, turf bars, machines,

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we had fifty four forty five pound plates between the

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two of us. I don't even know how many specialty

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bars and all that stuff we had. We had Nautilus

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leg curl leg extension, a Nautilus lower pack machine, really

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old school like lap pool, down row reverse, all that stuff,

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you know, Mono, a couple of power acts platforms. We

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just had all that stuff in our houses and so

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you know, we we had it all in there by

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Monday morning and the landlord lives close by and stopped buying.

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He goes, you guys don't fuck around. Said, well, it's

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easy to not do that when you have all this

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stuff in your house and you just have to transport

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it a few minutes away.

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You know.

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Guys came out and helped. Of course, Cam, I don't know,

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did you ever meet Cam back in the day. I

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did not our buddy Cam. You're fantastic. Yeah, yeah, no,

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he's fantastic. So he came out and helped a few

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other buddies and yeah, we just got it all moved

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in and done, and we're a year into it now

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and gosh, I think we we might have just broke

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even jeez, you know, it's just you know, but again

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first year. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's just the nature

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of the business, right, It's not it's not a business

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that you're gonna see a massive return in quickly unless

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you're really diving hard on the training side. But even

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then that's again a whole another conundrum in terms of

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work and all that. And also for us, we didn't

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set it up to be a massive financial shift shifter

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for us, even if it is successful. Just something kind

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of like when you buy a house, you know, uh,

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you go get like a you know home ech way

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loan and you buy a second house to rent out.

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You know, you're just hoping to cover your payment on

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your mortgage and maybe a little bit extra each month,

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so that she's kind of an investment long term. And

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for us, it was kind of that idea is could

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we have a community and kind of build up what

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I think we all fell in love with street training,

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you know four, which is the community, right, It's the

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people that are around you. There's nothing out really where

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we live anything like what we have. And then you know,

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could we get our garages back? Which was nice, we

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kind of need that. Yeah, Tom Tom for the first

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time in his life and that gosh, I don't even

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know how Tom old. How old Tom is now thirty

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four or something like that, for the first time in

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his life, he's parked indoors like this past winter because

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he's always had a garage him always, So that was

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kind of nice. And then you know, we actually fell

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into a little bit of training. We had a local

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high school athlete who lives in Tom's neighborhood reach out

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via Instagram. We didn't advertise, we didn't even talk about

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doing it, and said, would you guys train me? I

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saw your website, and Tom and I talked about it, Well,

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we'll kind of do a limited run here, you know,

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and we accept a very few number of athletes that

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we work with. But that's been fun. We have a

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really good hockey player. We have a BMX writer who's

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really talented softball. Yeah. Actually she was eleven when she

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started training with us, which is pretty amazing to have

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an eleven year old, you know, girl who wants to

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come out to a former lawnmower repair shop and lift

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and she is just, oh my gosh, she's so strong,

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so talented. She just trapped our deadlifted to forty belt

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lists and shrapless and all that stuff. Yeah, it's pretty

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good for a lot. Yeah, So it's it's you know,

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it's it's been fun, honestly like it. And then you know,

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it's been fun. We have start to build that community

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that we were hoping for. For me, it gets me

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a little bit back into some training on a very

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limited level in person, which normally I have to travel

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somewhere to do that. So that's kind of fun for me.

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It's really fun to work with a few kids. I

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like that development and that excitement about the gym is

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they're finally you know, seeing weights go up, and you

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know that one first kid who started with this is

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almost gained thirty pounds and nine months training, and so yeah,

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like it's just really cool to see that progress and

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that excitement, like you remember that you miss it from

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when you were starting out. And you know, of course,

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we had our one kind of big issue. We had

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a little backup in one of the bathrooms which turned

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into an entire septic tank exposure, which turned into an

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entire just running of the line. And you know that

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was a few grand literally down the toilet to get

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all that solt. But other than that, it's been great.

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And that was on you guys, yeah, because unfortunately, when

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the landlord got down in there, you know, there was

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some stuff flushed down the toilet that shouldn't have been.

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Now, you know, you could argue, and I think probably

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logically could have argued that that was maybe who was

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ever there before us, because the backup was pretty far

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in and maybe just from us having a little bit

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higher volume of usage than it did previously. It was

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kind of the straw that broke the Campbell's back. Yeah,

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but there's no way to prove it, right, So you

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know it is what it is. There's something down there

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it's not supposed to be there. Well falls back on us,

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And to be fair, he was. He was super kind.

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He rented his own excavator, pulled the septic tanks or

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uncovered himself. Didn't We didn't have to pay for any

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of that. We just had to pay for the actual

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plumbing and stuff like that. So yeah, he was pretty

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fair about it.

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We have not had the giant toilet blow ups here.

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We did have a just an astronomical toilet leak for

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a while that was difficult to detect. And see, I'm

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I am forever like a conspiracy theorist around water meters

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because I don't think they're accurate at all. I think

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that there's a multiple multiplier in there to make it

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look so much worse and be more expensive, Like we

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could have filled the entire building with water for the

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amount of what they said that we feel like we

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could have turned it into a swimming pool, and so

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that that it never made sense to me. It had

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the inspector come out and look at the the meter

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and he's like, oh, it's it's it's working, Like I

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can see that it's turning it's like, yeah, it's turning

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like five times faster than it's supposed to. But anyway,

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it was a it was a battle I lost. However,

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I did get fixed and back in the day though,

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when when we were in this building with st like

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the first year, there was on a meet day the

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whole septic system backed up. Well it's supposed to be

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connected to sewer, but it did not act like it

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was and there was just like it was lifting the

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manhole covers full of just just shit.

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Oh my god, it was.

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It was so disgusting, terrible. It was really terrible, really

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really bad. And uh yeah, so when we when we

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signed the least here, it was like, so the the

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septic system is good, right, I mean the sewer or

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whatever is everything? Go oh yeah, everything's good, and it's like, well,

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we did have other issues with it, but yeah, the

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joys of opening a gym at least you guy already

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guys already had the equipment because like we did not

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obviously we had nothing. We had zero, and we we

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had to order it Duram pandemic and it took forever

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to get everything that we have. And I'm happy with

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this stuff that we have, but goodness, gracious, it was

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a challenge.

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Oh, I could imagine. Yeah, I mean, you know, thankfully

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we had just been essentially, you know, stockpiling equipment because

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when COVID hit that, before that, I would go train somewhere.

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I mean, you know, there was times and I think

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any strength athlete who's you know, man, maybe this is

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too blanket of a statement, who's like really cared about

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their strength, has driven distances to train in gyms before. Yeah,

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because that's just what you used to do. You would

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go find the best people that you could kind of

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vibe with, good environment, and you go train there. I

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mean I was trained. I used to wake up on

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way to train at the gym called jack And it's

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down south of Aurora, a little bit Montgomery. But anyway,

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the point is is that, you know, I would just

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drive to gyms where it was, drive to Tom's house.

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It didn't matter to me. But then when COVID hit

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and then shoot almost died, right, you know, I talked

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to you guys post that. Yeah, I think a few

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months after that it was the last time that I

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spoke to you guys. You know, I just said, well,

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I don't want to mess around with trying to figure

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out gems. And you know here in Illinois things were

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shut down for a pretty good amount of time, so

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we just start I just started ordering stuff as it

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came up Facebook marketplace, you know, friend trying to move

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they had some stuff and just kind of piecing it together.

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for sure, but again between the two of us, it's

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like megadesk in the office. You know, we took two

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desks and made a megadsk. We made a mega home gym.

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So it's worked out well. You know, like the Nautiliss stuff,

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it's I mean it's some of the not the first line,

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but it's probably the second line of stuff from them.

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You know, it's definitely from the seventies. It's old. Wow,

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but gosh, that stuff, it just it feels good. Right.

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It's chained instead of cables so it doesn't break. The

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seats and the leather and all that stuff's in good shape.

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It was taken care of. We got it from a

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school not far from here that finally upgraded their weight room.

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So you can imagine all that stuff had been in

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that school and they were just they was given away.

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We just did to please somebody come and take it.

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got a flatbed out there and loaded up a bunch

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of stuff, a bunch of stuff from that school. But anyway,

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you know, I don't know that some of those machines

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have significantly evolved past. You know Arthur Jones design. You

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know that Nautilus shell, that that that can that he

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invented to kind of even out the resistance curve. I mean,

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those machines still feel great. I mean, I have no

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issue with him at all. I wish I had a

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couple other pieces of it, to be honest. That the

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old Natilist dip machine was one of my favorites. The

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little stairs you'd walk up on, pat the belt on

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and oh, I thought that was so cool. And then

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they had the ill tell you which Nilis machine I

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hated was the It was a you could do it

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dual arm, but it was each one was independent. The

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Tricep machine where you put your arms up and then

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you'd kind of extend your arms out. It was like

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this weird like L shaped pad that you kind of

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put your palm into there was nothing to hold on.

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I could never get that to feel right. But other

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than that, I liked most of the other nutless stuff

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pretty well. But anyway, Yeah, no, it's it's it's we

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we just figured it out. And yeah, you know there's

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some stuff, for sure, we would like to upgrade, as

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it makes sense. But everything you need and more is

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in there to get strong. It's way more than I

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ever had growing up. It's way more than your local

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gym has in terms of actual strength equipment. And you know,

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Cam just squatted eight seventy five on a mars bar

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to a box. Bear need bear shoes or no shoes, barefoot,

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like I said, bear knees, not even sleeves. And you

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know if he if he's basically hidding any sort of

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variation nine hundred pounds fast, it's a good place to train.

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Okay, So how many square feet you have?

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Oh my gosh, I'd have to do the math. It's

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not much. Maybe maybe two thousand maybe. Yeah, it's small.

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Yeah, so I can't remember. You haven't been in this building,

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have you?

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I have not?

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Yeah, probably probably about the size of our there's a

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small side in a large side here. It's probably just

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like the small side where s T used to be. Yeah,

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it's the whole place.

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I know it from the videos, so it's it's probably

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about right. Yeah, And I kind of know where you

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guys are. I remember from when I was in Sacramento

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last which would have been like two thousand, goodness gracious, eighteen. Yeah,

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I think it was around eighteen. It was lose last

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year in LA. And I remember when I came to y'all.

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Are you still in the same studio? No, were you recorded?

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That's we actually Okay, where the we're in the that's

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another story. We're in the middle building that's connected to

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the to the gym space. Okay, so there's a I

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just remember spot here.

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Oh nice. Yeah. I just remember staying at or going

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by Mike's place and then going over to y'all's where

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y'all were recording at the time, and I think I

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remember Mike pointing out like, oh, that's where st used

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to be, like way back in the day. And so

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because it's downtown.

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Right, yeah, we're as downtown as we could possibly be.

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We're like less than abile from the capitol.

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Yeah, okay, so I kind of roughly remember the area,

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but no, I've got to. I mean, it's it's the

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same thing that you know, I think we've all been

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seeing since COVID hit. Like everybody has some places that

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they just stopped going to because COVID disrupted life in

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so many different ways. And you know, for me, it

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was a career shift in a lot of ways. It

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just coincided with Lewall retiring and then that you know,

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led into the soundsterday and national team, and then the

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Olympic run that we did, which was just incredible, and

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you know, it's just changed my life in terms of

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the way that I move and when I have time

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to move, and then the amount of time I'm gone.

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I mean I'm gone from home. The Olympics was two

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months travel straight. We did five or six different countries

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in two months, you know, and then we have all

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the qualifiers, World Cup qualifiers, a World Cup with seven

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seven weeks, you have Afro Basket, which is about five

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or six weeks. I mean you start adding it up

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on top of the nonprofit trips that I take. It's

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at least two and a half three months a year.

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I'm somewhere else overseas, not even the States, and so

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it makes it hard on my end. To say, yeah,

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I'm going to go take another you know, five six

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days and go somewhere else. Kids are getting bigger and

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stuff's going on, and man, it's just changed. It's not bad,

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it's just different.

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Yeah. Actually, we did have you on last year to

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talk about, like we previewed the Olympic basketball situation with

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you last year, and I want to talk more gym stuff,

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but let's let's transition over to to basketball for a

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little bit. Mike and I and are are our third

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who comes into do media reviews. So this Dean, we

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watched the the Netflix series on the on USA basketball

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and just and and everybody they played, and it was

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more whatever. Well, we felt like South Sudan really got

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the short shrift in that I don't know if you

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watched it, but there was not a lot about Yeah

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South Sudan, that's that part sucked.

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Yeah I didn't. I didn't watch it because you know,

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I'm not the biggest fan of US. We lost that

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warm up game by one point, which was terrible, and

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then of course in the actual Olympics we lost by

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sixteen or twenty or something like that. I mean, they

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never ran away with it, but it was also never

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a close game. You know, they were also at full strength,

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and hey, Kevin Durant and they just played us like

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two weeks before, so they kind of knew what they

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were getting themselves into. You know, we wouldn't probably have

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not agreed to that friendly game had we known they

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would end up in our pool. We agreed to all

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that before they did the random drawing and what group

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do you end up in? And we ended up in

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the worst group by far. I mean, you know, Serbia

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and incredible, so talented. You know, they got second I

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think at the World Cup, and then they got third

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at the Olympics, like they're they're a powerhouse. And then

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we got USA, and then we got Puerto Rico, who

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also is consistently an Olympic team. You know, a few

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NBA players on that roster. They're very very good. So

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we got a tough draw. But no, I didn't watch it.

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You know, I'm not surprised, Like I don't think people

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still really understand, you know that South Sudan's a country.

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A some recent political stuff I think has maybe awakened

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a couple of people too, just because the name's been

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in the news. But they usually just assume it's a

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part of Sudan and you're just referring to a region

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on an actual country. And then the second part is

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I don't think people know how to get a hold

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of us in the sense of, like we're so new.

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We don't have an office, we don't have a you know,

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a publicist, we don't have a we have like a

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team manager, but that's the Wall's brother, and he's pretty

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much just on ground. Like you know, I'm just trying

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to think if I was an outside organization, it's like,

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I want to get in touch with you guys, you

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kind of would have to have the wall cell phone number,

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or you'd have to know somebody like me on the

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auxiliary staff and just email me. I guess. I mean,

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it's just I don't even know how you would get

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a hold of us. And as well, we were pretty

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you know, dialed in for the Olympics. We didn't really

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have time or space to make a lot of room

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for you know, some sort of production or something like that.

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And some of that was by choice. But I don't

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think they ever and called us that I know of,

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and yet I wouldn't know if they did. They never did.

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Yeah, there was it was only game footage that was

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that was it. That was that was it period. But

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it was disappointing to not see more because it's such

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a great story, you know.

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Yeah, I mean, you know, for us to go, you know,

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unranked to the Olympics in a full Olympic cycle, so

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three and a half four years, you know, it's it's

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never been done. I don't think it'll probably ever be

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done again. I think that the circumstances of how it

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happened are so unique to the people that were playing

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and involved in it that you won't see that happen again.

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You won't see another country that didn't have a program.

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You just happen to have a very benevolent guy who

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was world class expert at what he did, who paid

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for a couple of years of it, you know, where

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the government wouldn't, who just happened to know an incredible

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staff of coaches and trainers to come in and do

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a job. And then you also have a group of

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people who, due to long running civil war and refugee status,

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were essentially unknown as an actual you know, cultural group,

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Like you know, there's South Sudanese all over the world,

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but they've never been represented They've never came together and said, hey,

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we are South Sudanese together for this thing. It's never happened.

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If you watch any college basketball, you know, there's almost

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a South Suanese guy on probably every four or five

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teams if you watch a game now, and we're the

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first time that anyone's given them an ability to say, hey,

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let's come together and play at South Sudanese. You know,

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if you've had a national team for a long time,

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like Serbia, they I think they gave us a pen

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that said one hundred years of Serbian basketball. They've been

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playing basketball for one hundred years as a national team.

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I mean that is just phenomenal to me. But that's

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why they're so good because from the time they're probably

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like maybe ten twelve years old, they're playing together every summer.

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They know who the guys are. You know, with Jokic

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calling Yovich and calling Bagdanovic, Hey, let's all get together

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and start camp. And that's the way national teams are

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supposed to go. And we just threw together the best

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twelve players that we could find who cared and just

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something beautiful came out of it. And I just don't

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I don't see US an era like that ever brewing

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again to be honest and is an incredible story. And

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you know, we we had a document We had a

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crew following around documenting everything that we were doing. It's

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something that Lull also was independently financing. I'm pretty hopeful

461
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that that will get released. They were thinking maybe like

462
00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:47.640
Sundance next year. You know, I don't know if it

463
00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:49.559
will get in, but like that kind of is the

464
00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:53.119
timing side of it, because that footage goes back for

465
00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:56.680
the like pretty much the whole run almost, so that

466
00:25:56.720 --> 00:25:59.119
would be incredible. I don't know how you're gonna fit

467
00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:02.200
it into it like a feature linked film style, Like

468
00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:06.240
it's so much story, but that's happening. And then on

469
00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:10.400
the podcast side, I do know there's and I don't

470
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:12.599
want to give away anybody's thunder, but there's a gentleman

471
00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:16.440
who is working on a podcast about this story, who

472
00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:20.440
has won a couple of big awards for sports journalism

473
00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:23.160
in podcasting, and he wants to tell this story. And

474
00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:24.839
I've always been working on it. So I don't know

475
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:27.920
where that project is either. I gave an interview for it,

476
00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:30.720
but if that happens, I think that'll shed some light

477
00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:33.480
on it as well. But it's a story that needs

478
00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:36.519
to be told because it's bigger. You know, it's such

479
00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:38.960
a common saying it's bigger than basketball, it's bigger than football,

480
00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:41.160
it's bigger than whatever the sport is. But this really

481
00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:43.359
is bigger than that. I mean, you have a group

482
00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:47.480
of people who, like I said, you know, disjointed it

483
00:26:47.480 --> 00:26:50.400
in every way you could possibly think of, and came

484
00:26:50.440 --> 00:26:53.240
together and did something that's just insanely hard to do

485
00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:56.039
even under the best circumstances. And you know, I think

486
00:26:56.079 --> 00:26:58.519
the cherry on top is that nobody was paid. We

487
00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:01.200
didn't pay players, we didn't pay coach. It was all

488
00:27:01.599 --> 00:27:04.279
every single bit, which is volunteering for people. And when

489
00:27:04.279 --> 00:27:08.559
do you see world class level achievement in anything just

490
00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:09.839
out of the sake of somebody's heart.

491
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:14.920
You don't. You don't. So what's what's the current status

492
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:18.759
with the with the team? I realized we're we're we're

493
00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:22.559
one year post Olympics.

494
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:27.680
So yeah, the machine keeps churning. So it's it's afro

495
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:32.559
Basket coming up, which is African Championship. They do EuroBasket,

496
00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:37.799
European Championship, they do like an Asian Cup. You know,

497
00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:40.200
I don't know if you it's like the Americas. I'm

498
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:42.319
sure they do some version of it, just nobody pays

499
00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:45.839
attention to us because we watched the NBA. But I'm

500
00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:48.160
sure there's some version of American Cup. I don't know,

501
00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:51.519
but it's it's the same idea of you have regional

502
00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:56.640
championships that feeds into World Cup qualifying, which lasts about

503
00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:59.880
a year. It's about a year of no major tournament.

504
00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:03.599
You're just playing qualifying tournaments, which is depends on which

505
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:06.079
group you're in, but four or five and it's still

506
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:09.480
within your same region or continent. And then from that

507
00:28:09.519 --> 00:28:11.400
you go to World Cup, and then for World Cup

508
00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:13.799
you go to Olympics. So it's the same cycle over

509
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:15.799
and over and over. Right after the Olympics or the

510
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:19.920
subsequent years, regional championship or continental championship kind of a

511
00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:25.480
year long qualifying World Cup Olympics. So if we make it,

512
00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:26.400
I'll be out your way.

513
00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:31.559
Oh yeah, no kidding, Huh. Where the what venues are

514
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:32.039
they using?

515
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:35.599
I have no idea. I don't think they know. I

516
00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:37.559
mean they say they have a plan, but you know,

517
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:41.279
if anybody spent any time in Los Angeles, it just

518
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:43.680
makes you shudder to think about how they're gonna pull

519
00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:44.880
off the Olympics.

520
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:47.960
Well, I know it's not all just in LA. They've

521
00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:50.079
spread it out over some of it over the state.

522
00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:53.640
It wouldn't be shocking to me if some of it

523
00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:56.960
was even up here, to be honest, I mean the

524
00:28:56.960 --> 00:28:57.839
Bay Area for sure.

525
00:28:57.920 --> 00:28:58.079
Yeah.

526
00:28:58.160 --> 00:28:59.279
See best's tinment in here.

527
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:02.359
They probably like Seattle or something like that.

528
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:04.000
Yeah.

529
00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:06.400
Yeah, Well, I mean I'm just saying that they should

530
00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:07.759
spread it out if they're smart.

531
00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:08.680
You know.

532
00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:12.799
Sometimes the issue with that is, you know, powers that

533
00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:16.960
be kind of get honed in on. You know, it

534
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:20.359
needs to be here because it says, you know, La Olympics,

535
00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:22.119
Da da da da dah, and we have the space

536
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:23.960
and the venues, which is true. It's just you can't

537
00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:27.839
just can't get anywhere, you know. I heard that they're

538
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:30.319
talking about housing the majority of the athletes at the UCLA

539
00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:35.279
campus and I'm like, okay, I know where that is.

540
00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:37.559
We used to practice there. A lot of NBA guys

541
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:41.599
have practice there in the summer. That's pretty far from

542
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:47.160
Staples in traffic, right, that's pretty far you know from

543
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:51.119
you know, maybe like the New where the Clippers are playing,

544
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:53.839
you know, in traffic, Like I just I just don't

545
00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:57.759
know how they're going to reasonably expect to pull off

546
00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:01.799
that many millions of people coming in unless they do

547
00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:03.640
spread it out. So I'm hopeful that they are.

548
00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:06.359
Yeah, they Well the last time was what nineteen eighty

549
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:07.720
four that it was in.

550
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:11.119
La Yes, I believe so, yeah, yeah, yeah I was.

551
00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:16.319
I was a loyal enmayormount before that. And they built

552
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:20.680
like a brand new gym facility there that was used

553
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:24.079
for Olympic weightlifting back when we had Olympic weightlifting.

554
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:25.480
Nice.

555
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:31.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know what they're gonna do.

556
00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:34.279
You really can't get around La very quickly at all.

557
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:39.359
That you can't really change the cadence of the games.

558
00:30:39.359 --> 00:30:42.359
They last, how long they you know, it's prescribed how

559
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:45.440
long they go on, and so right, I don't know,

560
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:47.519
you know, I don't know exactly what they're going to do,

561
00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:49.599
but it spreading it as really sort of the only

562
00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:54.799
the only option. And I think that unlike going to

563
00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:59.400
some place like I don't know, Paris or Tokyo or whatever,

564
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:02.640
where the train rotations a little different situation and the

565
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:04.920
venues are a little closer together, you can if you're

566
00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:07.720
as as a spectator. If you want to see a

567
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:10.920
couple of different sports, you can, you could do that.

568
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:13.400
I do not believe that will be the case in

569
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:16.799
la I believe that you have to commit to seeing

570
00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:21.440
you know, uh, one sport. You might see preliminary rounds

571
00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:24.200
and you might see metal rounds, or you might only

572
00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:26.720
see one or the other or whatever based on availability.

573
00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:29.319
But I don't think you're gonna be able to bounce

574
00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:30.319
around at all.

575
00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:34.440
Yeah, you know, people they asked me, well, how was it,

576
00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:37.039
you know, being in Paris for the Olympics, And I'm like,

577
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:39.559
we weren't in Paris. I wish we were in Paris

578
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:43.720
and we were in Lil France. And I'm probably butchering

579
00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:46.799
that pronunciation, but that's my Texas accent, how my brain's

580
00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:52.839
uses little little France. But they took a domed soccer

581
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:58.000
stadium there and they built the most massive black curtain

582
00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:01.720
ever and literally put it right down the middle. It's

583
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:06.400
wild and on one side they put at whatever the

584
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:09.000
turf or whatever was down they built a handball court

585
00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:11.400
on top of it, and on the other side they

586
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:15.480
built a basketball court and so all of the everything

587
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:19.519
except for the semi final and final games were played

588
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:22.240
up there and little for just handball and basketball. Everything

589
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:24.519
else was in Paris. That could be obviously like surfing

590
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:26.839
and stuff like that, but everything else was in Paris.

591
00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:29.319
And then we were you know, on a high speed train.

592
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:32.720
It's about it was about an hour ten hour, fifteen

593
00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:35.759
minute train ride to Paris. So we took a train

594
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:38.759
directly from London because that's where we finished our you know,

595
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:42.720
pre Olympic games too little directly, and then once we

596
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:45.160
finished playing all of our you know, we had three games,

597
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:47.799
we took a high speed train to Paris and I

598
00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:50.119
got on a plane and left. I mean, it's it was.

599
00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:51.880
I went to Juba, I went back to South Sudan

600
00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:55.039
for a celebration. But yeah, I was in Paris for

601
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:58.559
about three hours at the airport. It would have been

602
00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:01.799
cool to like walk around and see stuff. And you know,

603
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:04.480
as a coach, you get some access to things. It's

604
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:06.240
not just you can go into anything, but there is

605
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:08.880
a system for putting in for tickets. It's different than

606
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:11.319
what normal people get access to and all that. So

607
00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:13.759
I could have went and saw you know, like speed climbing,

608
00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:16.240
like rock climbing, and you know some other kind of

609
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:18.960
just funky stuff that I think is fun. But nope,

610
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:23.200
I was stuck in a little and Well, which was

611
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:24.799
a beautiful city. It's just there's nothing to do.

612
00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:30.720
Paris is wonderful. It was cool too because we were in

613
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:34.319
Paris the year before, so two years ago, so it's

614
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:36.359
cool to watch it on TV and see, you know,

615
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:39.519
places we've been and stuff like that. It was that

616
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:40.480
that part was cool.

617
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:44.240
Yeah, But I.

618
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:47.559
Mean I I I couldn't imagine that you would actually

619
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:51.240
have a lot of extra time to do stuff during

620
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:53.480
the as as a coach or a player or whatever.

621
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:56.799
I know that like in this in the documentary series,

622
00:33:56.880 --> 00:34:02.160
you see the the US athletes going to different venues

623
00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:05.880
and seeing different things, but not a bunch they really

624
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:08.960
like the two or three things they did, they shot

625
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:09.559
a lot of footage.

626
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:12.440
Yet let's just say yeah, yeah, no, they didn't do

627
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.000
a lot, but you know, they they were on a

628
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:19.000
whole different program the rest of us. So they erected

629
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:23.480
an athlete's village in little because it didn't exist and

630
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:27.239
it looked like you know, you're watching like et or something.

631
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:29.440
When they built this like outpost out in the desert.

632
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:33.000
It was like this like random field and they literally

633
00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:36.920
like put gravel down like ten foot high fencing, had

634
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:39.840
guys with like submachine gun standing guard. I mean it

635
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:42.000
was wild because they were worried. You know, there was

636
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:44.199
some arson stuff on trains right leading up to it,

637
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:45.960
Like they were worried. Is you know, you want to

638
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:48.880
keep a body safe. I understand that, but like it

639
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:52.480
didn't fee. It wasn't like like UCLA campus or you know,

640
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:54.480
where you kind of come in and modify it. It

641
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:57.079
was like literally like you felt like almost like you

642
00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:59.280
were in prison like it was. It was like just

643
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:03.920
kind of a directed for this specifically. And you know,

644
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:07.960
Giannis tried his best to stay there. He stayed one

645
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:10.000
night and the next days, sorry, guys, I can't do it.

646
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:11.840
He just wings out of his own hotel. He's like,

647
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:14.480
I can't stay here. And then the US they didn't

648
00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:17.280
even try. They stayed somewhere else. I heard they got

649
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:17.639
a boat.

650
00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:22.119
Yeah, I had a cruise ship. That was that was yeah. Yeah.

651
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:24.559
Yeah. So so they were moving in a little bit

652
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:26.840
different way than we were. And I think some of

653
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:29.280
the guys actually stayed in Paris, to be honest, I

654
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:31.360
think some stayed there and they just got high speed

655
00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:33.719
trained or a car to take him to Camus.

656
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:36.960
I believe that. I believe that.

657
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:38.960
Yeah, I mean I would have too, if I had

658
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:40.760
the option, to be honest, I would have as well.

659
00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:43.559
Yeah, it's just way out in the middle of no

660
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:46.280
place with not a thing to do. I didn't realize

661
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:49.360
that they'd had to build outhlete accommodations. I know they

662
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:53.079
didn't build any venues, and I don't think California l A.

663
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:55.239
I don't think. I don't think any new venues are

664
00:35:55.239 --> 00:36:00.079
being built. I think they're all using pre existing stuff,

665
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:01.800
which is I think the way it should be done,

666
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:06.320
because yeah, there's just a massive amount of waste to

667
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:11.960
build facilities in all these places. I don't I I

668
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:14.079
think the Olympics. I mean, it's cool to go to

669
00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:15.920
other countries and stuff, but I think that like the

670
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:18.840
most cost effective way forward for the Olympics is for

671
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:23.760
there to be like an Olympic village in all place

672
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:25.719
and that's where the Olympics always are.

673
00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:31.440
Yeap, Yeah, or you know, you do it kind of

674
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:33.079
what you're saying, like Paris did, and I think it

675
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:36.440
like you said, LA is doing where just nothing news erected.

676
00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:38.559
I mean you just utilize what's there and if it

677
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:41.280
doesn't have the infrastructure, and then you know you don't,

678
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:43.360
You're not able to even submit a bit. It's not

679
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:45.360
even like okay, we'll get it and then we'll backfill,

680
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:48.039
like don't know, you have to have it. I remember

681
00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:50.440
reading an article about the Beijing Olympics, which I think

682
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:53.360
at the time were the most expensive Olympics ever, and

683
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:58.119
like something like sixty percent of those buildings are just

684
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:00.480
vacant now that they built the Olympics. I mean they're

685
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:03.559
just vacant. There's not even being utilized. And actually for

686
00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:08.639
the World Cup, we played two friendly games in China.

687
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:11.480
It's my first time, you know, and only time so

688
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:14.440
far that I've been to China, and we were playing

689
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:19.079
at a stadium that set I think eight thousand, that

690
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:21.280
had never been used and has been sitting there for

691
00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:24.960
five years. It was any thing timey Olympics wasn't entirely Olympics.

692
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:27.239
It was just built and somebody had a lot of money.

693
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:29.519
They built it next to this hotel, just sitting there

694
00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:32.159
and everybody's just content for it to sit there. And

695
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:36.920
they were sponsored by Peak, which is a Chinese brand

696
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:39.320
of basketball stuff. They sponsored a couple of medi again

697
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:42.119
it's actually really nice stuff, to be honest, it's very quality.

698
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:47.000
And the guy that runs it, you know, if he

699
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:49.480
could put this way, if he could shift out China,

700
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:53.239
he would. He can't, there's some walls against that. But

701
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:56.920
the point is is that he organized this tournament for

702
00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:58.920
some teams that they sponsored, Hey let's just come play

703
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:01.400
friendly together. And you know, the World Cup was in

704
00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:04.639
the Philippines, so it wasn't far relatively speaking to do that,

705
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:08.199
and he just found this, you know, this venue that

706
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:11.079
wasn't far from their headquarters in terms of distance, maybe

707
00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:14.440
forty fifty minutes away. And they were like, we literally

708
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:16.920
are like going in there and there's like cruiser are

709
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:19.440
going around like dusting off cobwebs and all this, like yeah,

710
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:21.880
it's ever been used, just sitting here for five years.

711
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:23.840
And maybe that was COVID related, I don't know, but

712
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:25.719
I'm just saying, like the like, what a waste. It's

713
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:26.400
just incredible.

714
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:37.400
That's crazy. Well to shift back to gyms for just

715
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:39.400
for a moment here, I told you I had like

716
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:41.679
a topic in mind, and this is something that's been

717
00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:45.239
bugging me and I had a conversation with our gym

718
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:50.719
manager Kyle about this the other day too, way back

719
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:54.599
in the day when when I was involved in the

720
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:58.800
first powerlifting gym that I went to, and then and

721
00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:06.639
then super training, people trained together, like literally people train

722
00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:10.920
together and you would share a bar, and like it was,

723
00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:13.280
especially in the in the st days, it was it

724
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:17.920
was kind of mandatory because there was really only like

725
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:22.679
a sixteen hour training training windows for the week. It

726
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:26.119
was like four hours, four days a week, and you

727
00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:28.840
really couldn't train outside of that, and so there's only

728
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:31.039
so much equipment, and you have to work with people.

729
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:36.239
And I see what we have here. We have a

730
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:39.719
lot of USCPL. We have a lot drug tested lifters period,

731
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:42.920
and you know, they're kind of in and out at

732
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:48.280
different times of day for whatever reason, and so many

733
00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:53.599
of them train entirely alone. And I don't think that

734
00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:57.960
any of them would not benefit from training in a

735
00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:03.400
group all the time, especially a relatively consistent group. Because

736
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:06.639
you talk about like, you know, all of them got coaches,

737
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:11.000
they're you know, almost all online coaches, not one hundred percent,

738
00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:13.559
and they're like walking around with their phones reading what

739
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:18.000
they're supposed to do next, and they they get on

740
00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:20.880
a bar and they're on there for a long time,

741
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:24.719
and no one ever works in with them. And the

742
00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:27.960
real magic of training in a group of people, whether

743
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:29.840
it's the same group or whether it's you know, just

744
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:33.199
the people that you know in the gym, is that

745
00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:37.480
you have that many more eyes on you, and some

746
00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:40.320
of those people have a lot of reps. And at

747
00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:43.079
least that's what I experienced back in the day, and

748
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:47.559
could comment on form or or you know, weight selection

749
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:51.599
or things that an online coach is having to pull

750
00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:55.079
off of a you know, a form check video or whatever,

751
00:40:55.719 --> 00:41:00.320
and it's just an entirely different thing. And Mike, my

752
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:03.000
real question is like, I don't have any doubt that

753
00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:06.679
everybody would be better if they trained more that way,

754
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:09.039
But what the hell happened? And when did it happen?

755
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:17.400
That's the question, What the hell? What the hell? Man? Geez,

756
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:24.159
you know, it's actually a really interesting thought process, And

757
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:27.559
I would say that as much as we can at

758
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:31.400
our place, we try to encourage the opposite of that

759
00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:37.559
in that anytime. Let's just say, like I said, we

760
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:39.119
don't work with a lot of athletes, but let's say

761
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:41.360
it's like a Monday afternoon, I'm in there training somebody.

762
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:44.440
I'll have a member say, oh, can I use that.

763
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:47.159
I'm saying yes one hundred percent of the time every time.

764
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:48.599
It doesn't matter if I'm on it or not. We

765
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:51.000
can work together. Like that's just the atmosphere that we

766
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:53.639
try to promote. If we have, you know, we'll have

767
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:56.639
a member sometimes, Hey, on Wednesday, I'm going to do

768
00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:58.079
a heavy lift. Do you know if anybody will be

769
00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:00.079
in the gym at four or five? Because we're that small,

770
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:02.840
like it could just be empty as possible, and I'm like, hey,

771
00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:04.480
you know, let me connect you this guy because he's

772
00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:06.679
normally in there, and you guys can work together or

773
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:09.000
you can spot each other. Like as much as we can,

774
00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:12.800
we try to promote that it's a community gym that

775
00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:14.880
everybody like you can do what you need to do,

776
00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:17.800
of course, but like that it's appropriate and okay, and

777
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:21.960
encourage to do it with or around somebody else. Every

778
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:25.559
Friday night we have Friday Night squat night. And a

779
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:27.360
good example was his last one we can hit in

780
00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:31.239
that eight seventy five. Tom's brother was graduating from his

781
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:34.679
residency program in med school, so Tom wasn't able to

782
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:37.280
be there. I didn't need to lift that day heavy,

783
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:39.119
so I was, but I was like, hey, I'll show

784
00:42:39.159 --> 00:42:41.079
up because I just know that A, you need a

785
00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:43.559
spot to be safe, and then B, like you said,

786
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:45.519
just have an eyes on how to move, how to look,

787
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:47.320
how to feel. Can I take this jump? Can I

788
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:49.360
not take this jump? You know, I don't know how

789
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:52.400
you could safely do that on your own. So you know,

790
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:54.840
I'll give you my two thoughts on it, just off

791
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:57.079
the top of my head, and I'm sure it's like

792
00:42:57.119 --> 00:42:58.840
everything else, like you'll think about it and come with

793
00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:02.440
something different later. But I would say that that one

794
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:07.679
side of it is probably that you know, we for

795
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:11.000
sure have a culture in lifting now of it not

796
00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:13.679
being okay to max out. I don't know how many

797
00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:16.960
times you see on Instagram or whatever social media you

798
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:21.519
follow where it's like we're building, not testing. And I understand,

799
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:25.920
I understand it. I get what you're saying. But back

800
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:29.360
in the day when conjugate was a little was much

801
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:32.880
more popular, I think gearlifting was more popular, and even

802
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:34.960
people like the Lily Bridges where like it was like

803
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:37.119
they would, you know, take three hours to go up

804
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:38.639
to the heaviest single they could go to, and that

805
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:42.320
was their training for that day. It was completely acceptable

806
00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:45.800
to try to push weight on a variation or a

807
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:49.239
main lift on a consistent basis. It wasn't this massive

808
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:53.039
you know, meso macro cycle, peaking this and that just

809
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:54.920
for the gym. If you were to go on some

810
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:57.440
crazy plan like that, it was for meat. But in

811
00:43:57.480 --> 00:43:59.679
the gym you would consistently lift heavy. I mean even

812
00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:02.079
if you back in Arnold's day, you know when you

813
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:04.320
read some of his stuff, he would say, we'd pick

814
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:06.119
one body part a week, and we go as heavy

815
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:08.079
as possible on it. We squat as heavy as we could,

816
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:10.519
we deadlift as heavy as could, we benches like He's like,

817
00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:13.039
just the body got better when we did that. And

818
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:15.400
we shifted away from that because I think there's so

819
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:20.760
much on this prehab mobility, how do I feel based stuff,

820
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:24.559
And you know, I do some of that training I

821
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:26.719
have with athletes and I do with some of my clients,

822
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:29.199
But that's a rabbit hole that you can go down

823
00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:31.400
and not find a good way out of. You know,

824
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:35.719
we kind of get got into a place is with

825
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:39.400
the generation of lifters where you know they're like, oh,

826
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:42.280
this doesn't feel right or that is a little bit sore.

827
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:45.199
I think I tweaked this or that, and I'm like, yeah,

828
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:49.360
probably did go lift like like, It's okay. It's okay

829
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:52.400
to not feel good, it's okay to not be perfect,

830
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:55.679
it's okay to not have everything. You know, just coalesce

831
00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:58.360
into this optimum flow state that you need to lift

832
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:00.159
in for the day. You know, you don't have have

833
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:03.480
to drink your you know, your pairub and free pre

834
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:05.840
workout and pop us in and get into your mental

835
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:09.000
state with your mushroom edibles like it's okay, like just

836
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:11.639
go lift like and and so I think there's a

837
00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:14.440
lot of that culture. And I think the other side,

838
00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:19.119
and it's probably on you know, unfortunately, is probably on

839
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:23.679
the social media side. It's it's very difficult to film

840
00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:25.519
everything you do if you're lifting with four or five

841
00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:28.639
or six people, because you're not the focus. The person

842
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:31.159
lifting is the focus, which is you when it's your turn.

843
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:34.480
But when it's not your turn, you're spotting, you're unloading weights,

844
00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:37.400
like you said, you're paying attention to form. And if

845
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:39.800
you're in that kind of environment, the only video you're

846
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:41.440
going to get out of that is whatever your top

847
00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:43.280
set was. You're not going to get all that other

848
00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:46.840
stuff unless you have a cinematographer with you. So I

849
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:48.840
think there's a lot of that. And I think this

850
00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:51.719
online coaching side too, Like you said, I think that's

851
00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:55.960
huge where you have so many people that are training

852
00:45:55.960 --> 00:46:00.440
with a coach online and they're so nervous or whatever

853
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:03.079
the word is, just maybe just being amble about it,

854
00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:05.639
where they don't want to deviate from what that person

855
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:07.840
has them said or what they're supposed to do because

856
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:09.760
they feel like it's going to mess up this master plan.

857
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:12.559
And as an online coach, I tell people all the

858
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:17.079
time what I'm writing for you is a glorified guide

859
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:19.000
of what you're supposed to do for the day. But

860
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:22.719
you for sure have free rein to you know, hop

861
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:24.960
in with somebody else if somebody else is lifting heavy

862
00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:27.280
you know. I'll even say sometimes if I know a

863
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:30.239
guy or a woman has a heavy lift, like find

864
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:32.639
someone else to do it with. And maybe you know,

865
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:34.719
I have you to do a safety squad bar and

866
00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:38.000
they're using a Duffalo bar, Like, fine, use a Dufflo bar.

867
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:42.800
It doesn't matter. And so anyway, that's kind of I

868
00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:46.519
guess my soapbox. I'll get on about that, but I

869
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:49.199
don't think it's good for the sport. I don't think

870
00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:53.079
it's good for the lifters as a whole, and I

871
00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:55.719
think it kind of weakens the community because you're not

872
00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:56.599
forming a community.

873
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:00.440
Well, here's the thing built on part of what you said. There.

874
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:07.079
There is such a like preciousness I guess about equipment.

875
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:12.280
About everybody's got a lift with kilo plates like all

876
00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:15.920
the time for some reason. I understand, Like back back

877
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:19.760
in the day, there was a kilo plate set for

878
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:23.400
meats and you didn't list with it. The rest of

879
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:25.400
the time. It was just it was pound plates and

880
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:28.960
we did math, you know. I mean, that was just

881
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:31.599
how it was. The other part of it is that

882
00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:34.800
that's really mystifying to me is that from a community standpoint,

883
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:37.559
we actually have a very good community and they're very

884
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:40.199
supportive each of each other, and they lift at the

885
00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:44.440
same time but not together. Is that it's like Toddler's

886
00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:47.480
parallel playing, you know what I mean. Although they will

887
00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:50.480
I mean if someone's if someone's going for a PR

888
00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:53.719
set or whatever, you will get a crowd if there

889
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:56.079
are enough people in the gym, But there are plenty

890
00:47:56.119 --> 00:47:58.079
of people who lift when there are only three or

891
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:00.360
four people in the gym during the day, you know,

892
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:06.960
And that kind of feedback, even if it's just you know,

893
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:10.920
vocal and people yelling and screaming for you like that's

894
00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:15.320
is important. And I just I don't understand. I don't

895
00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:20.880
get it. And you know, yeah, we've had situations where

896
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:29.119
where particular equipment was not available due to construction, and

897
00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:31.840
we have members like, oh, well okay, well well you

898
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:34.440
know we need these this equipment, so we're going to leave.

899
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:39.800
It's like, why would you do that? Completely mystifies me,

900
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:43.840
like did you come here to train or or what

901
00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:47.079
I mean? There isn't a piece of equipment out there

902
00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:51.840
that is a frickin' Boeing seven forty seven, and and

903
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:54.400
I'm going to tell you you need to fly this

904
00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:57.280
cessna instead, you know, I mean, and you don't know

905
00:48:57.280 --> 00:49:00.400
how to do that, or or a Euey helicopter or something.

906
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:03.920
It's not there is no level of specificity like that

907
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:08.360
going on. It's all weightlifting equipment. It's all basically the same.

908
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:12.360
You don't really need a particular bar that's going to

909
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:14.880
be used in a meat because it's not really going

910
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:17.880
to bite you in the ass like that, right, And

911
00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:20.239
everybody's just so afraid. And then the point you were

912
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:24.480
making about coaches that people kind of forget the coaches

913
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:28.800
work for them, they don't work for the coaches, and

914
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:31.880
you know, the kind of feedback of, well, I don't

915
00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:34.400
this is not this is not a direction I think

916
00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:36.920
we should go or I have to do something else

917
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:41.119
because because of time or because of of what's available

918
00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:43.760
or whatever. It's like, don't be afraid to freelize the

919
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:46.280
program a little bit. For heaven's sakes. It's the world

920
00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:47.760
will not collapse.

921
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:52.159
I know, but it is. It's like it's like that

922
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:55.079
that doom and gloom mentality if things aren't to spec

923
00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:57.920
whether that you're programming your equipment that you're expected to

924
00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:00.599
be on the timing of how all that needs to

925
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:04.360
go together. I mean, and it's it's a you know,

926
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:08.199
from a mentality standpoint, it kind of to some extent,

927
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:12.360
in my opinion, goes against what a really strong lifting

928
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:14.440
mentality is, which is I'm going to just lift the weight.

929
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:17.400
I don't care if it's a bar, it's got a

930
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:19.480
bend in it, if it's a kilo on this side,

931
00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:21.480
a regular plate on that side. That just makes it

932
00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:24.719
more fun. Like like that's a mentality that you kind

933
00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:27.159
of cultivate I think when you just kind of have

934
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:30.039
a strong mentality, and maybe it's easy for me to

935
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:33.639
say because I am so predisposed to conjugate and that

936
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:37.519
it's ingrained to me that variations are good. I've never

937
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:40.400
seen them be bad for me, by the way, I've

938
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:42.760
never seen that. I you know, when I used to

939
00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:46.800
compete in powerlifting, I'll never forget my first meat ever.

940
00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:52.840
I pulled six p forty whatever the kilo is on

941
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:56.199
a deadlift, my very first meat and it's the first

942
00:50:56.199 --> 00:50:58.239
time in my life I touched a deadlift bar ever.

943
00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:01.239
I was just on whatever power bar I had it.

944
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:02.639
At the gym that I used to work at, we

945
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:05.719
didn't have any powerlifting equipment. We had power bars and

946
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:09.000
we had one SSB bar from a lead fts.

947
00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:09.280
It's it.

948
00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:12.199
It's only specially equipment that we had. Never touched the

949
00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:15.559
squad bar, never touched the deadlift bar. You know Texas

950
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:17.320
power Bar, who I like a lot, Like they make

951
00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:20.360
a bench bar, special bench bar, and I'm like, what

952
00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:22.639
the hell do you do with a special bench bar, Like,

953
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:27.440
I mean again, long I don't know, but I'm just

954
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:29.599
just like, like, what neuraling do you do different? What

955
00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:32.079
marks you different? Like I don't understand, like it's a

956
00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:36.440
bar for bench And again maybe if you're a world

957
00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:40.400
class binge presser, maybe it matters to you, but for

958
00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:43.079
everybody else beneath that, it's kind of the same thing

959
00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:44.920
with this, I'm not going to compete until I can

960
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:48.199
you know, win it or what it's like, Well, unless

961
00:51:48.199 --> 00:51:50.280
you're set in a world record, you're technically not as

962
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:53.800
strong is the best in the world, So everything underneath

963
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:56.599
that is meaningless in terms of the larger scale. It's

964
00:51:56.599 --> 00:51:59.159
all personal to you. So just go do it if

965
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:00.400
you want to do it, and I don't do it

966
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:03.559
if you don't. But just make a decision here, like

967
00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:05.760
like don't don't put off it, put off and put

968
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:08.760
off because you're just waiting for this magical moment to

969
00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:11.400
come and you're gonna debut yourself to the internet, like

970
00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:15.719
nobody cares. Like, you know, we're just old, Jim, That's

971
00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:17.639
what it is. We're just getting old, man. We're back

972
00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:20.280
in my day and you know, it's just a different generation.

973
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:21.280
Like but it is.

974
00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:23.760
It's right though, It's just we're just old. It's okay.

975
00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:26.599
I mean you're not even that old, but but but

976
00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:31.280
you you were around when the olds were younger than

977
00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:31.840
they are now.

978
00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:35.320
No, Yeah, but I mean I am I am. I

979
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:40.679
like I find myself more and more and more feeling

980
00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:42.679
my age. I don't mean that physically, I feel really

981
00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:45.519
good physically. I just mean that that my opinions on

982
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:49.559
things and how I speak more and more from this

983
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:53.639
perspective of I don't necessarily like the way things are going,

984
00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:55.320
and I think they would be better a different way.

985
00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:58.440
I didn't talk like that when I was younger. You know,

986
00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:01.400
I have no interest in hearing new music. I'm not

987
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:04.239
against it. I just don't care. Don't care. You know,

988
00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:07.360
if I got an hour car drive, I'm gonna listen

989
00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:11.159
to a podcast first, maybe news radio second, and then

990
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:13.920
third a playlist that I made probably ten years ago

991
00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:16.320
on iTunes, Like those are my choices. Yeah, it's not

992
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:19.159
whatever else happens to be on just not gonna do

993
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:19.639
it well.

994
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:22.199
Not to put Sea Bass on the spot, but bring

995
00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:25.159
yourself up. He's not gonna be able to see you.

996
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:29.239
But put yourself on camera here, yes, sir, And what's

997
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:33.760
your take? Do you do you get where they're coming from?

998
00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:36.400
Or do you get where we're coming from?

999
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:40.480
Honestly, I will say that when I was the strongest

1000
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:43.039
is when I was working in with like for example,

1001
00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:46.679
Matt and them, Like I would literally train with people

1002
00:53:46.760 --> 00:53:49.679
around me that. I mean first they would hype me up.

1003
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:51.880
They're like, all right, you got this, Like this five

1004
00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:55.280
hundred pound squad easy. I saw a four eighty five

1005
00:53:55.719 --> 00:53:59.239
move like nothing, so five hundred should be easy. I

1006
00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:03.360
think people should just work in together, pusn't it saves

1007
00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:06.039
more space for other people to work out that. That's

1008
00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:08.519
like my main thing where I have seen it too,

1009
00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:12.559
where three people on a squad rack they have the

1010
00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:17.320
same exact weight, and they're all squating at the same time,

1011
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:19.079
and they're all using their own yeah, and I like

1012
00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:20.440
go up to one of them, I'm like, why don't

1013
00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:22.199
you just working with that person? And they're like, well,

1014
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:25.000
my my rack height, And I'm like, you can just

1015
00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:26.199
switch the rack height.

1016
00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:27.079
Have you been to a meeting?

1017
00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:29.760
Yeah, I'm like, that's what they're made for. And they're like, well,

1018
00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:31.639
I just don't want to diserve like the time that

1019
00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:35.119
they're gonna take to And I'm just like, what that

1020
00:54:35.199 --> 00:54:36.760
makes no sense?

1021
00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:39.440
Yeah, but that makes literally no sense. It speeds, I

1022
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:41.800
mean to a certain extent, it speeds up the cadence

1023
00:54:41.880 --> 00:54:42.480
of lifting.

1024
00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:44.480
Yeah, but you can be like, hey, I'm gonna go

1025
00:54:44.519 --> 00:54:47.159
in five minutes, right, and take your five minutes exactly.

1026
00:54:47.239 --> 00:54:49.519
Back in the day, I mean back in the day,

1027
00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:52.360
it was like three or four frickin hours that you

1028
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:55.119
were you were at the gym. But it wasn't because

1029
00:54:55.199 --> 00:55:00.280
any particular lift took so long. It's that like between

1030
00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:05.880
exercises you would like, you know, talk about what you're

1031
00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:09.199
gonna do next and chat up each other, and that

1032
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:12.079
was the social part of it, you know it. It

1033
00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:16.039
doesn't take longer to lift in a group. The lifting part,

1034
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:19.639
the community part does suck up more time, for sure.

1035
00:55:20.480 --> 00:55:22.840
But I will say, yeah, we've had people in here

1036
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:27.119
staying for like five six hours and they're just talking

1037
00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:27.800
for like three.

1038
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:30.440
Yeah, it happens. It happens, and that's fine. I don't

1039
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:32.079
care about that. People can hang out far as they

1040
00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:34.400
need to, as long as they're as long as they're

1041
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:35.119
paid up, I don't care.

1042
00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:40.079
Yeah, right, but but you know, like so the interesting

1043
00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:42.880
thing too is like sea bass, like what you're talking

1044
00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:45.440
about with like the weights, like they're all the same weight,

1045
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:48.920
Like when we squat on Fridays as a group. We

1046
00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:51.599
have one model lift. That's it. That's the only adjustable,

1047
00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:54.960
quickly adjustable rack we have. We have a Commo rack,

1048
00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:56.800
but it's not a compact so you don't have the

1049
00:55:56.880 --> 00:55:58.599
levers where you can just pin it and adjust it.

1050
00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:00.679
You have to do it kind of old school with

1051
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:03.199
a slide out pin, so you can't do it under

1052
00:56:03.239 --> 00:56:05.360
load essentially. And then we have a power rack. Those

1053
00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:07.679
are kind of our three rack options that we have.

1054
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:10.760
So we have one modo lift, So in terms of

1055
00:56:10.840 --> 00:56:13.400
adjusting the rack or the height of the bar, that's

1056
00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:15.480
your only way to do in a group. And we

1057
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:17.960
will have guys when they first start, you know, saying, well,

1058
00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:20.079
I'm not squatting eight or nine hundred pounds a day,

1059
00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:22.760
And you know what, Cam or Tom and I've never

1060
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:25.599
squatted that squad seven hundred pounds, you know pretty good,

1061
00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:28.000
that's not that. But you know what we always tell

1062
00:56:28.039 --> 00:56:31.519
them is like, we didn't use to squat this either,

1063
00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:33.840
And when we started, we were working out with guys

1064
00:56:33.880 --> 00:56:35.519
who were squatting way more than us and it made

1065
00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:39.599
us better. So we're all lifting weights anyway. Who cares

1066
00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:41.320
if we lift a plate or two off the bar

1067
00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:42.960
and pick it up and down and over and over.

1068
00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:44.679
That's why there's a group of us. Like, if you're

1069
00:56:44.679 --> 00:56:46.960
about to lift, you get ready for your lift. We'll

1070
00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:50.559
load the weight. We're lifting weights anyway. If I do

1071
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:53.440
fifteen extra bicep curls picking a forty five from the

1072
00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:56.159
floor up to the bar and back down again, heaven forbid,

1073
00:56:56.199 --> 00:56:57.840
my arms get a little bit stronger, Like it's not

1074
00:56:57.880 --> 00:57:01.000
gonna affect my squad, Like it's just it's just it's

1075
00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:02.920
just this. I don't again, I don't. I think it's

1076
00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:05.480
this mentality, and I do think it's specific to the

1077
00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:11.599
generation behind uh, behind me, of this like isolationism of

1078
00:57:11.679 --> 00:57:14.719
like everything kind of stays within you. And again, like

1079
00:57:14.800 --> 00:57:16.679
to your point, Jim, you can be social. It's not

1080
00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:20.079
like you're necessarily anti social, but it's like everything is

1081
00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:22.480
just kind of contained within you. Like your music and

1082
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:24.039
like what you're listening to, Like I want to listen

1083
00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:26.119
to my music, I want to do on my equipment,

1084
00:57:26.119 --> 00:57:27.760
I want to do what my coach has to say.

1085
00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:31.760
And there's just not a lot of room to for

1086
00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:34.000
variation of any kind. There's just not a lot of

1087
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:36.800
room for it. And it's it's almost like variation creates

1088
00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:39.880
anxiety in those people. It's like, oh, I get anxious

1089
00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:41.800
thinking about have to live with somebody else. I get

1090
00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:44.639
anxious thinking about not having my thing or doing it

1091
00:57:44.679 --> 00:57:47.320
on my time. And it's like, well, that's that's life.

1092
00:57:47.159 --> 00:57:52.360
Like that's okay, it's good still over there. Yeah about

1093
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:55.000
the anxiety part, Yeah, I think that's they just get

1094
00:57:55.039 --> 00:57:55.880
like that now.

1095
00:57:56.320 --> 00:57:59.239
Whenever I'm training around people, I just kind of hey,

1096
00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:01.960
even if they're racks open, I'm like, hey, can I work.

1097
00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:05.159
In with you? Yeah? And uh sure, And I'm like

1098
00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:08.440
I bet, I just I think we I don't know.

1099
00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:10.239
I don't know the answer to how to, how to

1100
00:58:10.440 --> 00:58:12.280
how to make it different than it is. I don't

1101
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:16.119
I don't started forcing them, just start forcing them. I'm sorry,

1102
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:18.920
you're working in with none of these other rights available

1103
00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:20.679
right now? That one is the one that's available.

1104
00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:21.079
Use that.

1105
00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:24.440
Yeah. We had, like we had three monolips in the

1106
00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:27.480
in the the sort of peak of the st days

1107
00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:31.519
in this building, and people still worked in together. It

1108
00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:34.320
was like and it didn't, like you said, it didn't

1109
00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:37.599
matter that you had to unload and reload bars. It's

1110
00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:38.440
like who cares?

1111
00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:39.480
Who?

1112
00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:43.760
Who cares? Yeah? Unless you do what I did. One

1113
00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:48.400
time and pull a plate off forgetting that there was

1114
00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:50.320
a quarter in front of it and dropped it right

1115
00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:54.920
on my foot. That was bad, But in general it's fine,

1116
00:58:55.360 --> 00:58:56.719
you know, in general, it's a good thing.

1117
00:58:58.199 --> 00:59:00.280
Well, we'll see best. I don't know you, and if

1118
00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:02.039
you're hanging out with Jim, that means I'd like to

1119
00:59:02.039 --> 00:59:06.199
know you. So that's number one. But number two, you

1120
00:59:06.199 --> 00:59:08.719
know you can fix this. But just starting a YouTube

1121
00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:11.880
channel and just like what's the guy? What's the guy?

1122
00:59:11.920 --> 00:59:15.559
Anatotally the janitor lifter guy. So you start your own

1123
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:17.400
YouTube channel where all you do is work, walk up

1124
00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:18.760
to people in the gym and ask to work in

1125
00:59:18.800 --> 00:59:20.639
with them and just film it. Just see what happens.

1126
00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:22.960
I guarantee you it will be a massive hit. The

1127
00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:25.199
reactions of people when you just randomly walk up and

1128
00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:27.800
say can I work in with you? Like that content

1129
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:28.880
would be incredible.

1130
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:29.519
It go viral.

1131
00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:31.519
Yeah, you like mic them up, you have like a

1132
00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:33.360
conversation literally just like an interview.

1133
00:59:33.639 --> 00:59:35.280
Yeah yeah, but.

1134
00:59:35.280 --> 00:59:37.199
You just walk up. You just ambush them. Sola Bor

1135
00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:39.639
and Coencile just walk up to just ambush them, Hey

1136
00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:41.159
can I work in with you? And like they're like

1137
00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:45.320
doing like seated bicep curls or something like, Yeah, man,

1138
00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:50.039
just see what happens. Sure, I'd watch it. I'm just

1139
00:59:50.079 --> 00:59:50.719
saying i'd watch it.

1140
00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:53.239
I'd be curious to see that the one viewers.

1141
00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:57.519
That's a pretty good idea. Well, we have grabbed you

1142
00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:02.320
for for a good bit now, and I appreciate you

1143
01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:05.239
coming on. Where can people find you?

1144
01:00:06.719 --> 01:00:09.000
Yeah, you know, I'll just say this. I will go

1145
01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:15.079
as long as you guys want to go anytime. Well, well,

1146
01:00:15.079 --> 01:00:17.719
I'm just saying this is never This is never a

1147
01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:20.239
chore for me. This is never a thing to do

1148
01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:24.159
am I to do list for me. This is something

1149
01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:28.880
that gives me energy when when you asked me to

1150
01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:31.760
do this, I'm energized by this. This, This will carry

1151
01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:33.159
me through the rest of the day and then some

1152
01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:37.719
because we've talked about this before. But you know, you

1153
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:41.559
and Mike are some of the absolute best people I've

1154
01:00:41.599 --> 01:00:45.519
met since I've done this, specifically in terms of training

1155
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:48.239
and kind of speaking more on a on a larger

1156
01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:50.480
level than just my own gym way back in the day.

1157
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:56.480
And there's not enough of our connection and there's not

1158
01:00:56.679 --> 01:00:59.239
enough time for it, and so anytime we get to

1159
01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:00.920
make it and we have excuse to put it on

1160
01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:05.960
a podcast. I'm one hundred percent down for if anybody

1161
01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:08.280
will well, I'm just I'm miss being honest. I mean,

1162
01:01:08.320 --> 01:01:11.679
it's it's the again you sound old. The older I

1163
01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:15.519
get back in my day, The older I get, the

1164
01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:20.920
more value and importance I have for really good relationships

1165
01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:24.000
because you start to understand how rare it is and

1166
01:01:24.039 --> 01:01:27.360
you start to appreciate it more. And that's one hundred

1167
01:01:27.400 --> 01:01:28.960
percent the case for me and you and Mike are

1168
01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:31.519
at the top of that list. So thank you for

1169
01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:33.320
having me on. I'll do it as much as you

1170
01:01:33.320 --> 01:01:38.159
guys want, as much as your listeners will allow, and

1171
01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:40.840
then it's really easy find mean, it's just shake up

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dot w dot Ross on Instagram. I don't do TikTok,

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I don't do anything else. That's the only thing I

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do cool.

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Says I'm Sebastian underscore brand blon Ig.

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I am at aj McDaniel though social media. The show,

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it's fifty percent facts for percent is the word and

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fifty is just numbers. Fifty percent Facts is a speaker

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Prime podcast association with Heart Media on the Obscure Celebrity Network,

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and I think Mike's going to be back on the

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next episode. We'll see what happens hang on Jacon