Will weight loss drugs steal your all gains? | One Good Question

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we're talking about drugs, drugs,
weight loss drugs in particular. I was

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lessually listening to another podcast this morning
and on the topic of weight loss drugs

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like ozepic and we go V and
whatever, whatever whatever. And you know,

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a year ago, everyone, you
know, not everyone, but a

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lot of people were like, Hey, these these drugs are great and there's

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like no side effect to them really
at all, and really it's just all

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kind of all benefit and yeah and
whatever, which just can't be true,

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which can't be true because there's I
mean, it's impossible. Yeah, there's

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always there's always something. Yeah,
there's always effects. Yeah, yeah,

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you get everything's fucking yeah. Great. When they say there's no such thing

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as a free lunch, they're not
just talking about libertarianism. They're talking about

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about anything that you that you you're
trying to alter yourself with. There's got

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to be every decision in life.
Yeah, there's gonna be an effect.

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Yeah, for sure, there's always
there are always consequences. Yeah, but

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the one I mean there there are
there are several that are being looked at

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right now that are potentially problems.
One that does seem to be a thing

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is is slowing down how the stomach
works, like maybe absorption itself. I

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mean, that's the concept of fat
loss pills or weight loss pills in general,

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just by logic. And obviously there's
many metrics and many different like channels

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they can go through to cause weight
loss, but all of them are affecting

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probably what you absorb, and so
you're probably gonna have some kind of health

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issue. Yeah. And then like
you're not gett enough vitamins, you're not

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get enough minerals, maybe the protein
synthesis is affected, who knows. Yeah,

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And then it's always just to what
extent, like how fatten out of

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shape and unhealthy are you? And
is this worse or better? Yeah?

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Yeah? Are you? Are you
improving your your outcomes enough? Yeah,

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which is probably true if you're very
unhealthy. But with those zepic in particular,

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it's gotten so popular because it does
work so well that it's being like

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over the counter used, It's being
used left and right. Yeah, by

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like just folks. Yeah, and
if you're like semi healthy and just want

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to get shredded, now, those
negatives that may come from any pill,

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not even just this one, are
probably not worth it, right, But

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if you're on the edge of death
and you're eight hundred pounds and your type

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two and your blood pressure and all
this, then you know it might be

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worth a little writ more more of
a stronger attack. Yeah, like more,

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more in that vain. Previous guests
on this show doctor Spencer and the

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Nadelski is a proponent of these of
these drugs, and he points out that

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he's been called a shill for Big
Farm or whatever for doing this, but

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like his point is that people who
are are are desperate the you know,

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the the end justify the means.
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's obviously

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per person. And the issue with
someone like Nadolski is that he's an online

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presence, so things can get clipped
out of context, taken out of context.

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Yeah, he only has one hundred
and forty words to get across what

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he's trying to say. Yeah,
and then people are gonna take what they

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want, Like, I'm sure we
could talk to him and he's not gonna

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say like I should take it right
now to drop my last five pounds.

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A. Yeah, because that doesn't
actually make any sense. You you you,

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I mean, you probably wouldn't qualify
for just just on that on that

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basis, unless you were, like, I don't know, borderline diabetic or

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something. Yeah, I don't think
qualifications matter. Yeah, I don't think

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they. I don't think they do
either because of the way people are getting

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right, you're getting it, you
get, you get. It's not directly

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over the counterbit it practically is because
you're not mostly not dealing with a real

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doctor. Every minute you know,
you're you're checking in with a with a

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doctor, and you know they're probably
motivated to continue selling it because they're making

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money. Well, not even just
in America. It doesn't matter if it's

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over the counter or not. You
can get whatever you want. Yeah,

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this is true. People joke about
Mexico making everything legal, but like,

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if you want something in America,
you can go get it. You pretty

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much go get it. The An
interesting thing about about doctor Nadolski, though,

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is he is now the medical director
of Weight Watchers, and weight Watchers

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has always been anti diet drug.
Did Oprah hop out of that thing Oprah

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left the board. Yeah, and
and the reason that was given was that

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she was using one of one of
these drugs and didn't want to, you

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know, be the one setting the
exam. You know, an example that

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goes against what supposedly the the philosophy
of the company. But on the other

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hand, doctor Nadelski is someone who
is a proponent of it. So I

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don't know. It feels like maybe
there was another reason, or she just

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has personal she has personal feelings about
about the message, it, sentence or

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whatever. Yeah, who knows?
Who? Yeah, who knows? This

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is really quick. It's such a
big business when you're starting to deal with

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in those realms. Who knows what's
going on? Correct? Yes, the

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more the more digits to the left
of the decimal point, the more complicated

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thing. Sure, sure so,
in particular for like our world, the

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question is about muscle loss. How
you know, people talk about ozembic face

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or Ozmpic butt. I haven't heard
of ozmpic butt. Yeah. Basically yeah,

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flat yeah, yeah, No one
likes is the fact. I swear

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to God when in the nineties a
flat ass was hot though maybe now for

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sure, like you look at all
the models and stuff in the nineties and

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they're all like stick thin. Yeah, you're super thin. Yeah. No,

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Like maybe titties were hot, like
they just started to become like a

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thing to give fake tits, like
the Pam Anderson's and Carmen and Electras.

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But like all the sexy chicks on
the commercials and whatever, he had like

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no ass, and now everyone's got
a fake ass. Everyone has to fake

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ass. Yeah, that's it.
The revolution is the fake ass. I

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mean it's you know, there's no
in between. It's boobs on your butt,

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you know. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, every rapper's got a fucking

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crazy surgery. Ass surgery. It's
just so crazy. That's only twenty years

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difference to go from not only the
extremes, but what all society in the

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Western world considers. Yeah, roughly. Obviously, everyone's got their own personal

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preference. You can like flat asses
for all I care. I don't give

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a fuck what you like. But
generally the society and the culture is now.

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Yeah, just talk about one eighty
holy shit pum swinging. Yeah yeah,

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and the whole like valuing an ass
and the thigh gap at the same

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time. Yeah, yes, I
got it. Yeah, in our world

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is faux pa. But in general, people still dig it, and then

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hip dips are a thing people talk
about, but that's like genetic, I

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mean, all of its kind of
genetic. I don't know. Man,

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it's hard to be a dude in
the fitness space, but it's probably really

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hard to be a chick. I
imagine it's very challenging yeh, yeah,

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to meet expectations. But anyway,
I will I will link some studies into

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this. But talking about muscle mass
loss, apparently studies are showing that the

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muscle mass loss is about the same
as losing weight period. Yeah. Part

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of the issue probably is, yeah, again, who they're testing. If

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they're testing people that actually qualify for
the drug, then chances are they might

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not be eating adequate protein to begin
with. Yeah, they're probably not resistance

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training to begin with. They're probably
not very athletic and fit to begin with.

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So then, like not to say
the studies don't matter, but it

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almost controls that variable quickly, right, It controls a variable. Have no

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mo ustle, get no muscle,
yeah exactly. Yeah, if you're if

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you're peeling stuff off, and if
you particularly if you're losing muscle and fat

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in the same proportion, you know, fifty to fifty ish whatever. Yeah,

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at that point it just doesn't matter
really because yeah, if you're eight

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hundred pounds, we just got to
get some weight off you, so you're

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fucking pipes can work a little better. But then once yeah, once you

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start to get into the casual user
of it, right, that's yeah,

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may or may not matter, or
or or you know, again, it

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may have different effects depending on the
age group, depending on how active they

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are. If they're if the studies
on a bunch of people that are like

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extreme obese and have no activity,
they're losing no muscle, maybe because they

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got no muscle to lose. Yeah, right, if we do it on

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more of a moderate crowd and we
hit some fifty year olds that are just

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a little bit overweight and still qualify
for this, maybe they are type two

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or something. Are they losing muscle
at rates that may be unhealthy? Or

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bone I know, bone density in
intensity is an issue that's still being studied.

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Yeah, that's always been a thing
with diet drugs and dieting in general,

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and diabetes obviously, absorption of vitamins
and minerals with all these drugs,

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because even in my time in the
fitness industry. Like, I've paid attention

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to the shit since maybe two thousand
and six closely, and before that was

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just you know, magazines or whatever. Beef had magazines, but uh,

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there's never been a drug that people
like were like kind of about. Yeah.

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Most of them were sugar pills,
you know, or they're so extreme

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they just didn't work. Like to
have an actual diet pill that may help,

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but again, like it doesn't really
help, right because then when you

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get off it, what's gonna happen. Have you changed your habits, have

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you exercised, do you know how
to eat? Do you understand anything about

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nutrition? Are you still going back
to your big gulp of you know,

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one hundred and eighty grams of sugar
every gas station. So, like the

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root cause may not be an issue
or may still be an issue. Yeah,

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for sure. And just like with
regular dieting, like it's not if

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you're trying to lose weight, it's
not really acquired that you lift weights,

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do resistance training, get exercise whatever. It's just so much better for your

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body in the end, and a
way to deal with with potential muscle loss

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and any kind of of fat loss
scenario is resistance training. Yeah, I

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mean that's the habit part, right, Yeah, what are you trying to

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be healthy and move? And as
you get older and you fall and you

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bump shit, do you want muscle
and bone to be ready for it?

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And the only way to get continue
that is resistance training. You know,

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milk can diet, it doesn't really
have a ton to do with it.

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Enough protein to list some weights is
a way to kind of help all your

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bones and all your muscles. But
it should go in phases. And that's

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the issue if you're calling someone like
a pharmaceutical shill, Like how many doctors

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are like paid by the round or
by the point of what they're doing,

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and so they're seeing someone for five
minutes because they're checking off their list,

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they go on the next person,
the next person, rather than if you

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have someone who's type two and all
this stuff and they're trying to change them,

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you know, they need like real
consulting and like habit changes, life

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changes. Yeah, Mozimbic would be
great to kick start that. Yeah,

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you know, so they're not slamming
mcflurries at midnight every night, and maybe

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they're not as hungry, But then
if they're not learning anything about healthy lifestyle

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or an active lifestyle, then now
we're just kind of yeah, they're popping

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steroids and the dead chicken. Yeah. The the recommendation obviously is to have

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diet, you know, the nutrition, counseling and sure all of that stuff

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and len therapy for a lot of
people just straight up talk therapy and stuff

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along with these drugs and not to
take them by themselves. But that's also

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true of like any depression drugs,
and they get prescribed all the time without

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the without the talk therapy component.
When you talk about the reality of all

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this, like say someone is extreme
overweight, you can't even hold a job,

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how are they going to afford the
pill doctor, visits nutrition, personal

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trainer. I mean, that's the
only way it's going to work. Chances

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that you just all of a sudden
become so motivated and grab all the information

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on Google, start working out by
yourself three times a week, start eating

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perfectly, and taking ozepic without any
professional help is probably slimmed to none.

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And then the fact that you're in
this situation to begin with and you can

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afford the time and the money to
do grab all these professionals probably also slim

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to none. You know, I've
never heard or seen that type of transformation

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just because it's so hard people have
done on their own, for sure,

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and I've got people like that that
something did flip and they have fixed it.

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But that's one in a billion.
And then yeah, it's just it's

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just such a complicated issue, starting
with education and just generally how our whole

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society's built up. Sadly, Yeah, for sure. So well, this

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is not a medical show. We
are, but don't take ozepic, you

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fatties. Go figure it out.
Or if you do, do it the

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right way. That's yeah, go
lift some weight. That's true about dieting

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period. Do it the right way. You need to start lifting waste,

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do it the right way. Yeah, go lift weights, Go lift weights.

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It fixes a lot of things.
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